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I'm gonna ask myself some questions. Rain, um, what's going on? What's going on these days?
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Because here's what I'm about to say. Are you ready? Here it goes. I'm gonna say this.
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Sit down. Fasten your seat belt. Here's the deal. It was front page like Rain Wilson. The office was racist.
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Giant clickbait kind of thing. Click baited and I clicked. You went You went for it. Oh yeah. I said, "What?
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Feel the rain on your pod. Rain Wilson tomorrow. That's a song.
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Rain Wilson. Rain. I'm doing I'm doing the police. Oh, don't
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let it rain. I actually made a pun when our guest Rain Wilson who was a blast came into the studio. I can't remember.
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I said let it rain or I don't know. He's heard it all. You know, we try to give him some curve balls, but
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he's heard it all. So, we had him in studio, which is rare. We have a couple coming up in studio.
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Um, we had fun with Rain. Good dude. We talked about Dwight's haircut on The
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Office. And a lot of Office stuff, how that got made and and what what the rocket ship
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that he got on with that. Yeah, we and and his career, where he came from, you know, it's really an interesting story. It always is.
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Always is different. We didn't focus on The Office. That was actually we sort of came swung back to that. But
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he's got a lot of different things to talk about. We won't spoil it. We had a great code movie coming out theaters and and
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then it'll be you it's in movies now. I believe it's in movies now. It's it's a movie now
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and it'll be in theaters when it's a movie then. So, uh, code three, Rain Wilson. And here he is.
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This is no pressure. You can eat. You can do whatever you I'm not going to eat in a podcast. We have no plan.
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No ideas. Yeah. No plan, huh? Oh, wa.
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Is that what they said? No plan. NBC Dwight spin-off axed. Let's start with that one.
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Did you say axed? Well, yeah, because it was axed. Oh, okay. Was there one?
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Well, they Oh, there was a there was a planned one. It was a backdoor pilot. We'll get into
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it. It's It's delicious. Oh, good. Can we bury anybody? Young Seahawks fan. You got any Warren
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Littlefield stuff or? Do you know Warren Littlefield? No, I don't know. I don't think I ever met. Was he before
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he was gone? Yeah, he was gone at that point. He wooed me for to do the Letterman thing
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and gave me a um a poster or the Capital Records meet the Beatles. He got it from
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signed. You weren't ready for that this fast. Uh wow.
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Rain is stunned now. I met with Brandon Tartaros who was before him.
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Do you remember Brandon [ __ ] It could have been Tartar. I think it was Tarov, but it could have been Tartar.
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We had uh Jeff Zucker was our was our right. And he left and then there was the other
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guy and I can't remember his name, but he had red hair and he helped produce Six Feet Under. So, I should know his
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name. Did anybody kind of get out in front of the office once it became a smash and kind of like well you know uh
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it was my idea and I uh there was a guy Kevin Riley who's still out there and he was the champion
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and he I mean he singlehandedly kept our show on the air when no one believed in
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it. I don't know why, but he just he's the one who like squirreled away some
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money for oh, we'll do five or six episodes here and we'll do two or three and I got you money for one more script and like
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Oh, good. He was like doing the the wheeling and did he get backend? No, because they're studio executives.
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I know. I was hoping because he's like hero in the Yeah. Do you know how do you even know how this works?
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No. Kevin Riley worked at Brilstein forever. Is that true? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he's an He worked on managers for a while and
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then he was an executive. These managers become executives, right? It's very like Brad Gray.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That That's a story. That is exactly Oh, you have some stories there. You lit
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up like a little Christmas tree. Too many stories. Go ahead. Too many stories. No, he was my uh manager. Oh, he was. Okay. Yeah.
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Yeah. It was just the the uh
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in a general sense. Go ahead. Once the person re repres who's representing you also becomes a
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producer on the show then there's a just an intrinsic conflict of interest. It's
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like uh you know the fox saying I could guard the head house. I mean come on man
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you're not going to eat them are you? But the but the idea is that they're going to also represent your best interests and produce
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right there's just like you can I'll give do I give it this money to the client or
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I give it to myself. I'm the you know it's it's a little tricky. Let's put it that way. Show business. We can go deep into that.
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Muddy murky. What was that smoothie that you were eating there? Cuz that looks like Thanks. It's our
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Is that just a green drink of grind vegetables? No, it's good. It's not as good. Do you read ads on your podcast?
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Uh, I do read ads on your sponsor.
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Our biggest sponsor for Soul Boom is this wonderful nonprofit called Fetszer.
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We don't have that. I think and they they've been amazing cuz like the conversations that we're having about like spirituality and mental health and
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kind of making the world a better place and blah blah blah like that's there it's like their whole thing and they're like they found Soul Boom and they're
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like oh my god this is we love we want to support this and what's their product?
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There's no product. They're just this nonprofit family foundation profit. Where did they get the money to
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pay you from? From a dead rich guy who set up a foundation. You sure he's dead?
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He used to own the Detroit Tigers. I think his name is Fetszer. Like Wally
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Fetzer or I don't know. Sounds we have a lot of forprofits that are investing
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that put ads on, right? MeUndies. Let me guess. MeUndies. Quint.
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Oh, MeUndies. I don't think we have We've done Quint. We've done that. We've done Quint. Yeah, we've done Quint. Like
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we have 5 hour energy. Uh 6h hour energies coming out. 7 and 1 half hour energy.
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Yeah. All right, that's kind of hush hush. I have no energy.com does donations.
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There's one called wake me the [ __ ] up. Yeah, our production company for this is fly by the seat of our pants.
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Yeah. You guys should get sponsored by Super Cuts cuz you both need haircuts.
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No, I agree. Can I tell you my problem? Yeah, please. Yes, please.
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I don't have great hair. I'm not going to say I don't. And I You have a full luxury. There's a lot of
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hair. There's a lot of backstory to this whole thing. This is two-day hair. Don't tell anyone.
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But I've moved to Northern Central California. The woman who cuts my hair
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is very good, Chris Rios, lives down here, so I go periods of time where I don't get a haircut. But I agree with
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your premise that we both need haircuts. David, celebrities, they're just like us.
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They have hair problems. You should you should have a hair product called who
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who stopped the rain and it should be just some sort of hair product. I don't know if you should.
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Is this a comedy podcast? I don't know. I don't know. I have a question for you. Look at the camera when you say that.
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He's going straight to the lens. We never That's genius. The old office move. He did it and it works.
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He went He did office on us. That's I'm going to ask myself some questions. Rain. Um what's going on? What's going
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on these days? Well, I'm uh promoting this new movie, Code Three, that
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no one is going to see, but eventually they'll they'll watch it on streaming and um
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What was it like? What was it like being in the office? We will get We're getting into that. We're We're just This is just
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Why don't we hit a little code three? Yeah, let's hit some code three. No, but I like to do it up front.
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Is this your handwriting? I like your hand. I think in bubbles. Are you more I need
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just little I can picture that page in my head, you know? That's why I
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There's a lot of There's a lot of good questions on here. I know. And maybe we should we'll get to one. Maybe you should ask one. Let's hit
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Where's my camera? I would love to hear more about Chris Rios. And you remember
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my uh That's great. And when you get down from central California down to see Chris Rios for your haircut, do you usually
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fly or drive or how does that work? Chris located in Beverly Hills vertical.
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I drive and I drive by where you live, which will stay on the school. It's Ventura County. I say that it's a
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vast county. Yeah. But I drive by and I do honk and I yell, "Who'll stop the rain?" And I've
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never heard a response. When you run the office, I have some hard-hitting questions. Have
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you met Steve Carell? What's his net worth at this point? Ballpark. It's vast.
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And he would hate that question. He really would. Cuz he's very Midwestern. Yes. Very sweet. But can we talk about code
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three for just a minute? I want to get it in and then get it. Let's get We'll get in and out of code three. But let's do a quick C code three.
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Yeah. Code three. Yes. Code three is the greatest movie ever made. Um, it actually is a quite
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good movie and we've got 97% on Rotten Tomatoes right now from the audiences. I have that total from all
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97%. We we've got 3% for this podcast. Yeah. Yeah. But it's about um it's about
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uh 24 hours from hell in the life of these burntout paramedics. It's very funny. Little Howry co-stars.
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uh is kind of looking at the underbelly underbelly of like the American health care system, but it's also a lot of fun
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and kind of a popcorn fun movie. And um yeah, I I'm really I'm really happy with
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it. So, it's all one day. I kind of like that. It's essentially it's like it's kind of like
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The Pit. Like it's all just like really condensed one last It's my last shift
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and it's this newcomer played by uh Amy Carrero. It's her first shift and they
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kind of doveetail and uh you're you're driving around driving around LA in the middle of the
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night and uh answering some crazy calls and trying to figure out the meaning of life along the
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way. Can I tell you a true true quick 30 second story about a paramedic? And I wonder if this kind of
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sensibility is in your movie. So he's a paramedic and he said him and his partner they would go to these scenes
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where someone's lost a you know it's horrific and then when they would leave for themselves they would put on queen
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song another one bites the dust just to alleviate the stress
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whatever reason another one bites the dust you know I don't so is there stuff like that how does par
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how do paramedics deal with that in your movie the heaviness of it the stress of
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it and the intensity Well, that's what I really learned doing this movie was like this population and we got to hang out
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with them, train with them. We did a ride along in South Central with uh with the fire department. Like they're so
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colossally burned out. So much is asked of them. They're so underpaid you can't
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even believe. Like literally, what they make? Like they lit they're literally making somewhere like in the 20 $25 an hour
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ultimately. Um, and it's like kind of Starbucks rate essentially. They go into dangerous situations, too.
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Absolutely. All the time. They get shot at, they get vomited on, they get needle sticks,
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they get blood. I mean, and and you know, they're going into some really dangerous neighborhoods and and patients
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get mad at them, doctors get mad at them, cops get mad at them. Yeah. They're under I mean, this these are
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real American heroes. But going to the Another one bites the dust. They have a gallows humor, man. They have they have
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a dark dark humor which you've got to have to survive. Well, it must be so heavy, intense, and
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traumatic just to be on that end and you're watching it every day and people in pain. Also, a lot of people fight back and
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they're getting punched by drunk people and it's like I see them on cop shows like, "Oh, these guys have got the
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roughest job." They they really do. But it sounds fun. I mean, it just sounds like a a fun thing to do. 24
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hours or whatever, a tight amount of time, your last day, her first day, and little
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is very funny. And uh that's just something I haven't seen a lot. So, that's a good area.
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Yeah. Yeah. Audiences are really are really digging it when you know. Yeah. So,
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thanks. Try not to smile. Yeah. He likes it.
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Staying on your I've heard I've heard I read some things. You're great in the movie is what I read. I haven't seen the
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movie, but Okay. Mhm. So, that's kind of cool. Yeah. Thanks.
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You know how to do this. I You know, I have a I do good acting. Yeah, that's You got that.
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gone. Do you uh you were in this one of my old favorites, Galaxy Quest? Was that your first thing?
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That was my very first movie. Galaxy Quest was really funny. I don't know if everyone understands how funny that was. You saw it?
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I saw it. You got to be in that. And did you you read it and said, "This thing's funny." You could tell right away. This is this is crazy cuz I did nothing
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but theater in New York for like 10 years and I came out to LA in 1999 and for some reason I got cast in two movies
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in the same summer. Galaxy Quest and Almost Famous. Those were my first two movies, two of like
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the greatest movies ever made. I had small roles in them, but I was like, "Oh my god, I'm I'm set. I'm going to be a
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movie star." And I promptly like didn't work for a year and a half. So, and what did you do when you weren't working for an hour and a half? Did you just had
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enough money saved, scrambled, get on a c? How poor were you? You know, you know, I was so You know what I did?
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Mhm. I'm so glad you asked that question because my friend was teaching acting classes in Hollywood at like the world's
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worst acting studio and it was all acting students from like all over the world because people don't know this in
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Hollywood like people come from Sweden and Korea and Mongolia and
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you know Pakistan to go be actors like on American TV shows. They have very thick accents. God bless them. Yeah. And
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but they take acting classes and so I taught acting at H literally Hollywood
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and Vine in a studio and they they would hand out I didn't get to choose the
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scenes. They would do scenes from American TV shows to foreign students.
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So I remember directing this scene. I'm not even making this up. I'm not even making this up. I directed uh a scene
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from Kagny and Lacy starring a woman, a a Japanese woman.
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Okay, here we go. And a Swedish woman. Please act that playing Kagny and Lacy. I'm not going to
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do the Japanese accent, but you could do the Swedish. So, not we we can imagine that. But
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yeah, she was like, "Why is the Swedish not offensive?" Yeah, cuz Northern Europeans, I don't know. That's that's one of my works.
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Do the Japanese one day. I'm Norwegian. I get to make fun of Scandinavians. But she was like, she was like, "Oh, okay. Kagney, you you embarrassed
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me in front of the whole, you know, in front of the whole department and the and uh, you know, Lucas, she's so mad at
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me. I don't know what to do." And then the other person responds and then and
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trying to keep a straight face to give them like, "But they're trying, what's your intention? They're trying so hard
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and they're trying so hard and they want to be discovered and they've come to Hollywood to follow their dream of being an actor and that this second rate
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studio this that's so funny that was what I was doing to pay the bills after I had done Galaxy say you
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have crossed so many lines today I'm worried about you
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is that a Norwegian or Swedish that was good that was like Swedish chef Swedish chef it's a little bit of an is sneaking
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in there every time I do a European Arnold slips Arnold just covers all of
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slips into a lot of things. Yeah. Let's look at a clip. Let me tell you.
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Where's the man? Let me tell you. Let me tell He always asks. He always That's his He's like Trump in that way. Let me tell you
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something. I'm going to tell you something. But first, let me ask you to let me tell you something because I want
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you to let me tell you something. Ask you something that I'll tell you. Yeah. I'm going to I tell then I tell you and then then I ask you again if I
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could tell you something. You guys, this is a front row seat to watch Dana Carvey do impressions. I'm 3 and 1/2 ft away
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from him. This is a joy. I'm so tingly with happiness right now. My god,
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that's so flattering. And you're right to the camera. I love that you're on your podcast. I love it.
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I mean, and it's great. Can you push in a little bit? Is this the training from the office? You can push in and post, right?
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8K. Yeah, we'll take care of you. Yeah. 8K. 8K. Oh, you can get right up in here. Oh, no. But they download it in 1080p.
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Why do you think this mic is covering my neck? I'm not a fool. All my age is here. Because I'm Irish,
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Norwegian, and Scottish. Grew up in California. Do the math. Let me tell you something.
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I'm going to tell you what this if you listen to me now and listen to me. Good. Hear me now. Unbelievable.
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Cuz here's what I'm about to say. Are you ready? Here it goes. I'm going to say this.
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Sit down. Fasten your seat belt. Here's the deal. Here's a good trick. went to Arnold. I don't really Arnold, but when when they
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would ask about anything personal, he would answer his own answers because he's on camera, so they can't use. They
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go, "Now, what happened with that mate?" He goes, "This movie is action-packed." And then they go, "What?" And they go,
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"He's only giving quotes they can use about the movie, so he just never answers." No, the the truth of Arnold and which my
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brother and I have three brothers, one we have this catchphrase of with each other like, "What would Arnold do?" Because he can't go negative. He
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literally can't go negative. A bit like Trump. Not to get in that they can't, you know, it's always promoting always.
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So, you had a movie, The Last Action Hero, that didn't do too well. He's on, you know, NBC today or something, Matt Low or whatever. So, you'd had trouble.
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No, the truth is the people are loving the movie and all over the world, the people enjoy. Yeah, but the box office,
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yeah, everybody loves it and it's doing very well and all these things and this and that. So, anyway, that's my Arnold
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section. No, it's a good way to promote because well, be positive. Well, it's funny. I kind of I I still
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haven't learned my lesson. Um I this they I was did a podcast in New York just a week or two ago and they and the
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guy was very just smart, wonderful, nuanced conversation. He's like, "Could
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you make The Office in today's, you know, kind of more PC landscape." And I and I
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talked about it in a very kind of nuanced fashion. Like, well, that's a tough one. You know, we had some episodes where, you know, we've got lead
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characters that are clueless, right? They can be racist, they can be sexist. And you know, there's, you know, the
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episode where we, you know, marked on the they marked on the the the Asian
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women to like tell them apart. There's stuff like that that's really like pushing the envelope, but that's where there's a great source of comedy, blah
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blah blah. It was front page like Rain Wilson, The Office was racist.
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Giant clickbait kind of thing. Click baited and I clicked. You went you went for it. Oh yeah. I said what?
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Then he texted me about it like I said this [ __ ] guy. We can't have one. What is that about? What? I
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cancel cancel cancel it. I go cancel somebody involved. I don't know who, but let's start cancing.
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Cancel him. But whenever I talk about anything like that, cuz we're sort of a neutral podcast. We're just trying to be
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friendly and make money. Yeah. Um so, you know, the new is not a big
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money-making gig. Let's face it. Let's not let the viewers know. Yeah. No, it's it's not at all.
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They're like, "Where does he get those shoes?" Those camera uh it it's it does say does well. But my
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point is doesn't the nuance of stuff. You strangle yourself into nuance and you feel like
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you almost said nothing and then somebody somewhere pulls it out. Happens all the time. There was another
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one I did a couple years back where I talked about like, you know, I went through some really unhappy times on the
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set of The Office because of like, you know, I wanted to do more movies and I
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was just I thought that I should have more opportunities and I was comp, you
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know, complaining a lot and I wish I hadn't have been in that space and it was like Rain Wilson miserable on the
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set of The Office. The Office who's this I could have written a better one.
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But but the the the producers like the Chump and the Seahawks hat, they're going to they're going to they're going
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to do the same thing for your clips. And it it's Listen, everyone, I was not miserable on
00:21:39
the side of the office. I had some struggles with early fame and mental
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health. And guess what? the office could kind of push a lot of buttons around
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race and sexism and and issues in a way that would be trickier today could still
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be done and that I don't think the office is racist and I was happy as a clam on the set of the office. Thank you
00:22:04
and good night. I'm going to podcast. Here's the here's that headline. He
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still hates the He still Rain Wilson tried to dodge a question on Fly on the Wall, but he was
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called out by I tell you I I when I worked on Just Shoot Me, oh my god, a couple people remember. Thank you. When I worked on a
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sitcom and ER was going on uh around the same time, someone quit ER and was making so much
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money and no one no one could believe it. It was one one of Sherry Stringfellow. Yes. And everyone's like, "How could you?" And she's like,
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I'm in a studio 24 hours a day cuz it's like a never- ending movie those those shows. So
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she gets like a month and a half off in the summer and then they go right back in. It's memorizing lines all day. The ER has got to be the hardest. Memorize
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memorize. You have to memorize all that medical jargon. Yeah. And you got to go, hey, put the squeeze. Got ringers lactate over here.
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So that um lactate 10 cc's of ringers lactate. That was an emergency show. So
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anyway, she quit and I kind of go, she may regret it later down the line, but I
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get she needs a [ __ ] breather. There's no mental days back then. There's no taking a break. It's just like grind, grind, grind. And
00:23:12
the money means nothing. She's not even spending it. She never sees it. It's just work, work. So maybe there's times on shows when you do get like when
00:23:19
there's so many miles to feed on the office. Sometimes you have light shows. I remember love it. Well, all of us,
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let's say, when SNL, you'd have one sketch that week, sometimes none. It's
00:23:31
just a weird vibe in your head of like, am I going to get fired? Am I Am I doing enough? Can I keep up with these people?
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Shouldn't I thought I was funny in this? Could they put me? And that's just constantly. It might be like that on
00:23:44
your set, too. Sure. Every set, probably. Yeah. But did anyone ever distort that with you like David Spades ungrateful? No.
00:23:51
Any of that? They will. They will now. You said that. Yeah, they will now. David Spade miserable on the set of SNL.
00:23:58
But you I think everyone is but but you came before you didn't get to see Dana cuz you were 2007. When wait when did
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you host? Um I 2007 or eight something like that.
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Like three times. Sorry. You and I together could be in the five-timer club. Um I did host in 2010. That was
00:24:18
the last time or 11 with you didn't get wig and I did not. Yeah. Billy Billy hater, you
00:24:24
know, Billy Hater was there. Will hat her. Um, I got to see Dana in action though because I was I got on when he was on
00:24:31
already then I got on. But you're right about those impressions. Every time Dana goes out there was a score characters. People say
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church is number one. Rainy rainy rain time.
00:24:44
Unhappy with the office. Are we too racist to continue? Shut up.
00:24:50
What do you think? more to teeny tiny tiny tiny. That thing was exhausting to
00:24:56
Kentucky. But um I had one. So I had a botch bypass in 1989 97. So but I never had a
00:25:03
heart attack. Everyone gets quiet. How was your heart attack? Look at me now. You know it's a big difference. Are you okay?
00:25:09
That's what I say every 10 seconds. Hold on. Yes. Um so as far as
00:25:15
Show us the scars. So then I'm doing a movie. So it scars. Uh, it's very faint.
00:25:22
I like I like to I'm sexy with it. It never bothered me. So anyway, my heart's
00:25:28
really good. My resting pulse is falling, whatever. So, but I was doing a goofy movie and
00:25:34
the tabloids, they go, "The tabloids are here and they think you're too exhausted. You can't do the movie." It's like three years later. So, I said,
00:25:40
"Well, let me call him. Let's call him." So, I said, "Okay." So, I call a National Enquir guy and I go, "I never
00:25:48
had any heart problems. It was just a a stent that needed to be, you know, and
00:25:53
uh I'm totally fine and um I just had one bypass." So, next day, National
00:26:00
Choir, Dana Carvey has five open heart surgeries and hates the office.
00:26:06
Hates the office. Well, at the end, I didn't want to say, I don't know why, says Rain Wilson. Yeah. And I don't know why in those days
00:26:13
that was such that's amazing that it would just be a boldfaced lie just a lie and then you're like do you go to court
00:26:19
you know that kind of thing. No, there was one time when I went to like you know how the uh did you guys ever do
00:26:25
press in Canada and they have the much TV it's their version of MTV something
00:26:31
and um I did some festival and introduced some bands and did some interviews and stuff and then
00:26:38
um the what was it uh not in sync boy in the hood boys
00:26:45
or something one of those boy bands back street boy was there I And then there was a gossip
00:26:51
site that said like Rain Wilson had altercation with Backstreet Boys or something like I
00:26:57
never even like met them. And my boss just called this site and was like and there's he's like I just needed a I
00:27:04
needed a headline. I need something. That's so the honesty of that. I need I need to waste your money.
00:27:11
Yeah. anytime anytime. One time my mom got called and she goes, "Oh, they were
00:27:16
wondering who you were dating." And I go, "Mom, it was the National Enquir." She goes, "No, it was American Media. It
00:27:22
was a reporter." And I go, "That's who owns the National." But they say that's a good slippery way to get it
00:27:27
by calling my mom in Arizona for anything about anything that would happen in your life. And then
00:27:33
I go, "Mom, just re just realize I just don't do it." But they get your phone number. It's all so creepy.
00:27:39
All so bad. Here's one. Maybe we can get a trend on this. Yeah. Back to you, Dana. What
00:27:45
What would is there any question that hasn't been asked of you yet around the
00:27:51
office? Because I wouldn't even know where to start. I assume you've done so many interviews. Is there something we
00:27:59
don't know? I need a banger. We need a [ __ ] banger. You need The future of this podcast is
00:28:07
resting on You said it was No, we make a lot of money. I'm telling
00:28:12
you, but uh uh could always make more. Go ahead. No. Um I really I can't That's a great question
00:28:19
and I don't have an answer. The question I had, but I know you've been asked this a million times. The Dwight Hair.
00:28:25
Yeah. The origin of that. I stole it from McKenzie Crook who played Gareth on the British office. Oh,
00:28:32
because I read an article that he went to like a like the [ __ ] hole barber shop
00:28:38
in like in in slow where it was set and like got like the least flattering
00:28:45
haircut for his hair. It was the probably the best hair in comic television.
00:28:50
And I I just lifted that from him. I'm like, let's design the worst possible haircut for me. I was not thinking about
00:28:57
wearing that haircut for nine seasons of 200 episodes. And the cuz I have an enormous forehead.
00:29:05
I I do too. And And so it's just revealing it like it's these little curtains, you know?
00:29:10
It's like it's like a little Broadway set like you could do Oklahoma perform it here with finger puppets.
00:29:16
And uh Yeah, that's a good Yeah. Was there ever an episode where they the girls were scheming to get you
00:29:23
a new haircut? That would have been a good pitch. That would have been up. Did you ever refer to
00:29:29
used to work with us? Was that referred to? Do you remember that Dana? Huh? Greg Daniel when he was on SNL.
00:29:34
Yeah. Oh, nice. He was a writer with Conan and I remember him and Con coming right out of Harvard. They look like they were 12.
00:29:40
Do you remember any sketches that they might have wrote that you were in a lot?
00:29:45
Did a George Will. George Will. George Will sketch.
00:29:52
George Will the conservative commentator. Yeah. Yeah, boy. That's back when SNL was smart.
00:29:57
Cuz now it's like Fart Police, you know what I mean? Is that a movie now? Did they do a
00:30:02
spin-off? I asked I asked my friends there. They're already fart. Why don't you guys do
00:30:10
uh Tucker Carlson, Senator John Kennedy. They don't even do Bobby Kennedy. That's the Trump people. But there's a lot of
00:30:17
people to do, but they're just like, we're not really into that anymore. I don't know. I mean I we do John Kennedy
00:30:24
because we just think he's Senator John Kennedy. Who was the writer that would always have the political stuff at the top of
00:30:30
the show? Downey or Franken. I those were the two twin that I worked with with George Boren on political
00:30:36
stuff. It was Downey. Yeah. And Al Franken. And they they would always they would
00:30:42
lead with it. Even if it wasn't they knew it wasn't going to be the most popular sketch, they would just come
00:30:47
out. Downey hated the idea of playing to the Yahoos.
00:30:53
not laughing but and Franken was uh you know really into politics so that all
00:31:00
informed itself into it and I wanted to just go n got that. So the three of us
00:31:07
together it worked. Yeah. They make the cake together. Yeah.
00:31:12
But SNL, you know, I don't want I don't want to be a grumpy old cast member. It's not the way it used to be. So I
00:31:19
there's a lot of great people that are funny and they do great sketches. I mean, so but is it the same? No, it has
00:31:25
to evol. It has to evolve. Some come out as stars, some are not enough and eventually leave. And it's
00:31:31
just such a Well, what's your hot take on it? Yeah. Go on SNL. I need a hot take.
00:31:38
I don't have a hot take on The Office or SN. I don't have any hot take. I'm out of hot takes. Good takes.
00:31:43
I really am. Rain Wilson is out of hot takes. I went on a podcast the other day that just
00:31:48
came out takes. I had my my hot my hottest hot take was that the DMV is actually really good at
00:31:55
their job and it's a actually really successful institution that monitors
00:32:02
like 200 million drivers licenses, license tests, boats
00:32:07
and like oh boohoo I had to wait 52 minutes in line.
00:32:12
Yeah. Guess what [ __ ] 200 million people. They're cycling through there and
00:32:18
everything is kept track of addresses, driver's licenses, numbers, you know,
00:32:24
boat things, bad photo, like it works like clockwork. It is. It should be
00:32:30
That's going to be my next movie. Code DMV. Oh, that would be good. Only got my tooth.
00:32:36
Yep. Up. We had a small injury. Um, all right. I got having respect for these these
00:32:43
governmentions. You can't use it. That's too hot of a take. We can't
00:32:48
loving the DMV. What do you think? You have a good license. You don't have thoughts. You don't have
00:32:53
thoughts. My thoughts on the DMV. Um, you want to disagree? You want to push back? No, I don't want to fight. Let's get into it. No
00:33:00
firing line right now. Meet the press. Let's go. I'll get cancelled. My takes in the DMV. You got to bring a lot of stuff. Have
00:33:05
you renewed a license recently at the DMV? Yeah. Mhm. Did you just go once and it
00:33:11
got renewed or did you have to go back a second time because you didn't have secondary proof of your address? I had to like retake my motorcycle
00:33:18
written test or something like that and it went great. I barely passed but I did pass and it was
00:33:25
was an hour and 20 minutes of my day. And do I want I want to get the temperature on what you're saying here. Would you
00:33:32
ever go to a California Department of Motor Vehicles just to kind of hang out?
00:33:38
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I have a question. Okay. Another follow-up. There's a million
00:33:43
questions. Banger. What's the difference between a real ID and your license? Go. It has a picture of a bear on it
00:33:49
and you can get on an airplane and that's what we need. You can get on an airplane with it. I know. But is that is it good or bad?
00:33:54
What is it better than a license? Is it different? Is there some reason it's is it just they want you to go in again? I think you have to show some stuff that
00:34:02
proves that you're really an American citizen. Yes. Is that why my camera?
00:34:08
It has a 3D dickpick on the back. The guy who helped me at the DMV, that was his name. Dickpick. I don't
00:34:13
understand. Spelled C. Kim Kardashian went and took got to take her picture 22 times.
00:34:19
She took her driver's license photo. How do you know that? Because it was on that episode.
00:34:25
They went there with a guy. Oh, it was. And then they said and she didn't like her picture and she brought a ring light.
00:34:32
Am I right, Heather? It's your guy, too. Oh, yeah. So, um, we have a guy, the guy that got me in the back, too.
00:34:37
We have a concierge guy who got You have a concierge DMV guy. You diva of little [ __ ] Look at you.
00:34:45
Damn DMV and standing the [ __ ] Oh, no. I have to take some photos. No, but I have to. It takes a full
00:34:51
minute. Cut. So, cut to the us after the podcast. Rain's like, "How would I How do you think this podcast is
00:34:58
How is this going so far?" Heather carrying the ring light. One of my one of my favorites. I like barely controlled mayhem. I I cuz it
00:35:05
this is fun for me. You have some good questions down on there. Well, we haven't did them yet, but
00:35:11
they're there. Well, we should talk about Soul Boom, your podcast, the name of it. I don't have to plug my stuff. That's
00:35:17
okay. I like Okay, I take that back.
00:35:23
Soul Boom is a podcast that I do. Well, you have a you have an huge Don't listen to him. Don't listen to
00:35:28
him. Cut here. Cut back here. No. Soul Soul Boom. Danny, you're not allowed to get a
00:35:35
That's never happened. It's never happened, but we never had a guy from the office who knows the play
00:35:41
to the lens. Uh, Soul Boom is a podcast that I do that's about
00:35:46
spirituality, mental health, philosophy, metaphysics, but it's also funny and we we laugh a lot and have some great
00:35:53
conversations and it's going great and people like it and it's fun and I love it. So, this is kind of this other side
00:35:59
of your personality of of spirituality, investigatory,
00:36:05
all about it, how it can heal the world. I'm gonna I'm gonna cut I'm going to cut to the chase. I want to hear I'm a colossal [ __ ] I had a lot of mental
00:36:11
health problems. I have a lot of addiction problems and I needed spirituality to kind of save my ass. And
00:36:18
so, I like to talk about it and read about it and think about it. Period. That's just it. There's no
00:36:23
simple. Julia Cameron says, "I come to spirituality not out of virtue but out of necessity." So for me, it's like it's
00:36:29
tools that help me in my life because otherwise I tend to be very miserable and self-destructive. Billions of people because what better
00:36:37
topic or question is there how did we get here and what are we
00:36:43
doing here? Yeah. What is our purpose and how did we get here? So that never goes away. So that
00:36:48
leads you to I'm so tiny and I will be dead for a trillion years. Yep.
00:36:54
Or or infinity. So I don't mind talk about astrophysics, how earth, have I
00:37:00
been here before? Am I reincarnated? There's a lot of things. Is there is there enough? How does that
00:37:06
work? What happens when we die? Do we have a soul? All that. Have you had a supernatural experience? I mean, have you seen Have
00:37:13
you felt the other side or felt the presence of a goat or anything like
00:37:18
that? Presence of a goat. Goat. A goat. I People say goat all the time. Michael Jordan at a restaurant.
00:37:24
Have you slept with a goat? That's my question. I have [ __ ] a goat. Yes. And you know,
00:37:31
I'm not sleep is a little more PG for our podcast. I like it. So long.
00:37:36
I'm sorry. Made love on camera. Made love. He doesn't know. Wide. You don't know your lenses.
00:37:42
We don't We have four [ __ ] cameras. This is for real. This the most we have. My father passed away about 5 years ago.
00:37:49
And there were a lot of profound things that came up for me in that. And when I
00:37:54
was preparing his body for burial and we washed the body and wrapped it in a shroud and
00:38:01
uh uh I realized like, oh, these are just corporeal vessels that carry our
00:38:09
essence. This was not him. This was just a shell. A shell. Exactly. A meat suit. A meat
00:38:16
suit. A a flesh tuxedo. shell better. It's a little I like shell better. Yeah, totally. We're just our
00:38:22
I like meat suit better. Okay. Two against one. As long as it fits, right? Yeah.
00:38:27
Um and but there's nothing there. You just see a person, you're like, I I have a dialogue with my father that
00:38:33
I feel is very strong. And I know that sounds like woo woo and crazy, but I really And it's not like I hear him going, "Rain, pick up your socks." Or
00:38:40
something like that. Like but I definitely like there's some conversations
00:38:46
presents and sometimes like the other day I was kind of making coffee in our little coffee nook and I was like
00:38:52
he's here with me like I just I don't know what it I was just like he's like here with me
00:38:58
and so you know was there a was there a vision or something like that not
00:39:03
exactly but a lot of a in intuition so we were very close we had a very
00:39:08
deep connected relationship So, I think that's nice. It also helps cope after these things happen.
00:39:14
Yeah. And uh and who knows, man. Who knows? Who knows? Who knows where Wilson hates the office and speaks to
00:39:21
his dead ghost father, ghost dad, Bill Cosby. You ever see that one?
00:39:32
Sorry. Dana Carvey canled for doing Cosby in person. You can't even do an impression. Oh, in 20.
00:39:38
Did you see Ghost Dad? It's pretty good. I remember Ghost. I don't know if I saw Is that Bill Cosby? Yeah.
00:39:43
Yeah. Bill Cosby in the 60s. His albums were just like, "Oh my god." Everybody was in awe of Fat Albert stuff
00:39:50
like that. I don't even know what happened, but everyone stopped hanging out with him. I don't even remember what happened.
00:39:55
What? Everyone just kind of dropped him. Yeah. I did a bit in 2016. I can't do now.
00:40:01
Believe. Go ahead. Please do. You see the lady and she get the pills
00:40:06
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00:40:15
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or Amazon today. Did you guys like the office? Just be honest. For real. For real. Yes. And I will
00:41:52
I went to a taping of Just Shoot Me. Oh, you did? Yeah. cuz Enrico Colin Tony was in Galaxy Quest. Oh, he was I uh went in
00:42:00
and all I remember is like I was so hungry I hadn't eaten and I thought there would be like more food
00:42:06
and there wasn't like they didn't like bring the I had to like ask him to get me some food. He had a security guard
00:42:11
like get me some food. Were you in the crowd? Yeah. And they and they used to give like one pizza for everybody and they hit it like
00:42:16
a bunch of [ __ ] Wolverines because they don't feed them for they keep you there for 4 hours. I was starving but it was very funny to
00:42:22
watch. I was uh very impressed. You guys were just so deaf and yeah, it was it
00:42:28
was a really great He was the f um show I did like The Office and I will say the
00:42:36
funny thing is how some of these things were a little rough on the edges. Some of these jokes were a little controversial today, but today it still
00:42:43
kills. So it does make sense. Everyone still loves it. So you go Could I make an observation?
00:42:48
Yeah. If if Steve Carell was Michael Scott. Yeah. Steve, he's character is so
00:42:55
clueless and saying such crazy stuff. Is it Is it sat isn't it satire as opposed
00:43:03
to offensive? Isn't it making fun of clueless people who say and do offensive
00:43:09
things? But Ricky Jervves is so brilliant at that. And that was the setup. Like if you have the most clueless,
00:43:15
unself-conscious person who's only going to kind of speak before they think at the center of a
00:43:21
show, you can get away with everyone as long as you cut to the reactions of everyone going
00:43:26
right rolling their eyes. Then he can say the most offensive [ __ ] known to man. It's a brilliant comic setup.
00:43:32
Yeah, I'll do Stanley reaction. Ready? Yeah, that's good. That's not bad. That's
00:43:39
good. Okay. Someone says something racist and foul. Who is that person?
00:43:47
Is that you? That's me saying no. Oh, that you know you can use glasses as as a
00:43:53
kind of a thing. I That's ridiculous. Here's Here's me on the office. You say something too sexual.
00:43:59
Okay. Look at my desk and I look at the camera. Here's me. What is
00:44:05
as Stanley or as David Spade? That's me if I'm on the audience. Okay. But I'm playing like just some hot guy
00:44:10
or something. Yeah. Just some hot guy. Yeah. Here's me watching The Office and I see that it's an episode about Dwight.
00:44:17
[ __ ] Wow. That's you read through. Well, that's how you welcome me to your show. That was me doing a non joke. Of course.
00:44:24
I love you. Here's me read through and it's Dwight Heavy. [Laughter]
00:44:31
Jo, but you did it better. The um
00:44:37
defense and whatever. But yeah, I love The Office. the tension of it, the the the you know it was revolutionary and I
00:44:45
don't think any other series for the last 25 years is retained its popularity like the office
00:44:52
popularity or yeah because I I think that people when we were finishing the show Steve had left our
00:44:58
ratings were in decline you know frankly the show got worse in its last couple of seasons um there were still some great
00:45:06
episodes and was still better than most everything else on TV but you know you lose one of the great comic geniuses of
00:45:12
all time, it's going to take a hit. And then uh after it can't uh when was that? 2014 15
00:45:19
or something like that. There was a couple years there no one was thinking about The Office and the streaming brought it back and there's something
00:45:24
about it that's so evergreen. I don't know what it is. It's fluorescent lights, cubicles.
00:45:29
Uh it just kind of men's warehouse style suits. Like it just it just kind of it doesn't feel dated at
00:45:37
all. watch some other stuff and it just feels like wow that looks like 1994 right there on my TV
00:45:42
set and a great show you always feel like no other actor could play every
00:45:48
single part that's good yeah there's like no one could have played Dwight except you
00:45:54
Steve Carell his part you know it's just like that's what great great shows you can't imagine anyone else
00:46:00
yeah you can't imagine Seinfeld with any other different lead I beg to devil sorry
00:46:06
that's Seinfeld That's Seinfeld. It's very That was Seinfeld. I do Seinfeld as a serial killer. That's
00:46:12
the only I think I'm going to get down in your spleen and just got up like that. So, you know that that gear he's
00:46:19
got where he goes, I think I could maybe do this. What are these people doing? Then he goes up there. We love Jerry.
00:46:26
He's brilliant. Have you looked at a Pop-Tart? That just sounds like the beginning of something. It's it is pretty good as
00:46:33
like he invented the what's the deal with kind of set of jaws. What's the deal with the DMV? Like
00:46:40
what's the deal with this glass? Is is this glass half full or half empty? What's the deal with that? No. All well written though. He's got so
00:46:46
many such Could I do my one? I've done it before, but it's Jerry's new It's an LP. It's an album. Okay. Jerry Seinfeld does comedy live album.
00:46:53
It's just a picture of Jerry like this and the the the title is paper clips. Why?
00:47:01
Exactly. I like that. Paper clips. Why got nothing? I don't feel like we got to any of those questions.
00:47:07
How many other guests? How many other shows are you doing today? We rarely do two.
00:47:13
No, we we're doing two today. We Who's coming in? Terry Hatcher. Was she at the same time as you were on
00:47:20
Housewives? Yeah. Okay. Were you ever the pool boy? I never was the pool boy.
00:47:27
Did you ever see her out and about at Emmy parties? Yes, I we we bumped into each other. Sure. We uh we bumped
00:47:33
uglies. Okay. Well, I love that because I watch Terry's really nice and a really good actor. I I think I did a reading in New
00:47:40
York theater with her, too. She's very Yeah. Got a Golden Globe or something for that. Yeah. I love that you love Star Trek and and
00:47:47
Kung Fu. Yeah. The TV show. Kung Fu Keratine. Yeah. Well, in uh
00:47:53
I watch that every day. I watch Star Trek Next Gen now. You know, I'm re-watching episodes.
00:47:58
Oh, how how is that? Is it holding up like re-watching it on the rewatch? Well, could you watch all this stuff?
00:48:04
That's what's your favorite season of that show? Like, could you skip season one? Go because it gets better. I think it did get better. But I think
00:48:10
Brent Spiner is brilliant in that character. And I think Patrick Stewart,
00:48:15
the gravitas he brings, Mr. Da show one is so
00:48:21
and it's also it's a morality play. You want to be Patrick Stewart's character. You want to be Captain Beard. He's just
00:48:28
got this moral compass. It's really kind of a cat and mouse game and they're trying to help a civilization evolve.
00:48:35
It's very feelgood. It's not a lot of these shows are so toxic now and dark that you just Well, you know, there was an interesting
00:48:41
thing about the next generation which is Rodenberry thought that at that point in time in humanity's uh evolution, there
00:48:47
would no longer be disagreements between people. Oh. And so if you notice on next gen in,
00:48:52
you know, we're doing the best we can, Captain. Give it more. Like the original series, they're like they're butting heads a lot.
00:48:58
We got no more power, Captain. Yeah. Make it so.
00:49:04
So go ahead. Oh my god, that's so delicious. That was the first one. But the um but the next generation, they
00:49:09
didn't they didn't argue like that. You never heard him saying like, "Number one, make it so." And like like captain,
00:49:16
we're not gonna No, you're right. are really in the same frequency. So, the ideas had had to be deeper. And
00:49:23
uh yeah, I thought there was an episode, do you remember the episode where they were playing a video game and it was it
00:49:29
was kind of like a what's that little serpent game going around? And and they would get a um
00:49:37
it it planted like a thing in their brain to give them a dopamine hit every time. And they were all like playing this video game and they were all
00:49:43
getting these dopamine hits, but it was actually an alien invading like their brain. And it it it precaged
00:49:50
the word. It precaged like video games, our dopamine dumping devices that we
00:49:55
keep in our in our pockets with endless video games and porn and YouTube clips
00:50:00
and uh yeah, you can find excited when you talk about it. I'll show you. I'm getting pre-dopamine.
00:50:08
I drink I eat a cereal called Dopaminis. Little mini Dopamine hits. And I go
00:50:13
Dopaminis. They're delicious. We should see if we can get it. We should get Let's start doing fake sponsors.
00:50:20
Can I stay for the Terry Hatcher? You should stay. You absolutely can. We Can I just I'll just sit back there. We
00:50:26
I love listening to you guys. You She's going to be good because let me tell you, she hosted when I was there. So my best
00:50:32
guest, but uh I'm going to leave you guys. But um um I got a million things going today.
00:50:37
I just got a new abocus. I have a new a new podcast. I'm This is our first episode. We're just going to
00:50:43
start. It's called Rain and Me. And um you're filming the second one. I'm leaving and then you We're I'm launching a new podcast. Rain
00:50:50
and Me. Okay. U David and obviously it fly on the wall.
00:50:55
Yeah. There's so many you could do. Let it rain. There's so many so many I got teased mercilessly. I really and I plus
00:51:02
it didn't help that I was uh kind of a nerd and a dick at the same
00:51:08
time. So it was not a good No, I was very sweet but I was very nerdy and I had the name
00:51:13
Rain and I had a giant head and that was that was a toxic combination. George Seagull told me you have to have
00:51:20
a giant head to be a movie star because he had a giant head and he goes, "Who did George Seagull?" And he goes,
00:51:25
"You sorry." I go, "Oh, I don't know how many tiny headed movie stars." It has to
00:51:31
be. Well, Mickey Rooney was huge. Was it? I think it looks circular.
00:51:37
Oh, yeah. What's the um the African queen guy? What's that? Bogart. Bogart. Giant giant grant.
00:51:47
Medium to large. But you're right. Like who's who has a tiny head? Who has a tiny little
00:51:54
Don KN? Maybe. I don't know if Andy Griffin looked like he had a big one. Yeah. Facing the crowd.
00:51:59
Maybe they just had little shoulders and little bodies. I don't know if it's an optical illusion. I don't think my head
00:52:04
very large at all. I've got a tiny head. Tiny head, but I've got tiny.
00:52:12
I got to go. But he's got to go. You've got to get on the 405. Thank you. Thanks a picture. Look at this picture.
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