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Gilder cck Patrick hello welcome to my
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podcast hello D thank you so much for
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having me here now you just told me
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before that you and your friend Lise
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who's sitting here hi Louise hi you um
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looked up some clips online on the way
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over and that's the first you knew about
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the podcast oh no no I'm know about your
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podcast but I just wasn't sure about I
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was like oh I wonder like like I better
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go and check if it's like in a two
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setting people is it a one setting and I
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was like oh my God this is camera in
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your face whole time so now I knew I
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just needed a refreshment right you're
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worried about how you look you look
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amazing everybody worries about how they
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look yeah do they as human beings some
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are more varable about it some are less
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varable but I think most human beings um
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because of their Consciousness they are
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aware of how they look and you know it's
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nothing to be ashamed about yeah but you
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and I you and I are the the same age uh
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we're both 1973 babies we are both 50
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look at me I look like a sack of [ __ ]
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and no you don't what whatever you're
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just for a compliment absolutely not hey
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thanks for coming over you're um I I I
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wanted you on the podcast and I thought
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you'd be a great guest because you such
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an intriguing woman and there's so much
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to your story and there's so so so much
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about you that so many people have
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preconceived ideas about and you don't
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need to meet you or have much to do with
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you to realize that um people should
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take you know think think think least of
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you or think think wrong of you at their
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own risk because um there's a lot going
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on um um you're very smart you know I've
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always um sort of had this thought or
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this um approach that you know if you
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underestimate people it is your loss you
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know if you think oh everybody's stupid
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it is your loss because then you there
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will come a time where you go face to
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face with somebody or people that you
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discounted and you realize that
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everybody's got a certain level of
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intelligence and understanding and to
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Discount that is um it doesn't take
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anything away from me you know it's just
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your own loss and a lot of the things
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that I guess people say about you would
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be um that you're a gold digger which I
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I feel like that's um that's a a New
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Zealand tall poppy thing potentially um
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like a jealousy thing potentially what
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are you it's it's just something that
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has been it actually I don't think it's
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just new zealanders that use that
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terminology and uh I don't have a
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problem with it you know I know you
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don't you don't you literally don't care
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and I I wish I was more like
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you you don't give a [ __ ] no you can say
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whatever you like to me and I really
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don't it doesn't bother me because at
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the end of the day it is me I put my
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head on my pillow and go to sleep
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knowing who I am you know you come and
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tell me I have four legs is that going
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to bother me I'm going to be scared of
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myself thinking oh my God what you know
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am I no I know who I am and you know
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these labels um kind of just shows how
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lazy people are to do their own sort of
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Investigation or to get to understand
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somebody before attaching labels and I
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love that I love that attitude about you
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because it' be easy to be defensive
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about it because it's it's rude of
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people to assume something about you
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that they don't actually know you know
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what I mean yeah but you know being rude
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is not a crime people are entitled to
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their thoughts and opinions you know if
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that's going make them feel better about
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themselves calling me a gold digger then
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for sure go ahead and do that well we'll
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get to the whole gold digger thing later
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on um I'd also like to talk about your
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reality TV experiences um you're Dancing
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with the Stars which I believe you hate
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it and real housewives of of Oakland but
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first of all let's go all the way back
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so you're from Iran yes and as I said
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born the same year as me 1973 so the
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first seven years of your life fairly
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normal and then the Iran Iraq war well
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what was the when I was about six the
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revolution happened okay and then very
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shortly followed by invasion of Iran by
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Iraq is Saddam Hussein right I'm you'll
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have to assume and I'm the dumbest
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person in the room because I am I know
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very little about um geography and wars
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and history um but I'd love to pick your
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brains about this so I saw a photo of
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you I think it was from um an article
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you did in woman magazine right and
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there's a this beautiful photo of you
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and you're like six or seven and you're
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smiling and you're on a horse and the
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horse is on its legs so fairly normal
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childhood nice childhood like what are
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your Recollections of the first few
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years um great childhood well in saying
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that and my parents always you know had
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a um had issue with each other very very
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different characters and they got
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married and had my sister and four years
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later I came along but um I think by the
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time I came along they realized that
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they were absolutely not compatible um
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in what way um just two different people
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just very different people my mom is um
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you know she's she's got a very unique
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character and um you know she's very
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specif specific about certain things and
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my dad is a bit easygoing and you know
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um just not they were in a good match
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but um he was with us until about I was
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six I think just when the revolution
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happened and then they separated um
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there are still not divorced but you
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know separated um so until then I had
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great child a lot my dad lot my mom we
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traveled had a great life there was
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nothing really that you know I I would
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say my childhood was amazing you know
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great memories great experiences yeah
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and are your parents both still alive
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yes yeah where where do they live do
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they live in New Zealand or Iran they
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come and go right yeah at the moment
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both of them are in Iran right they they
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like it there um you know I I think so
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well yes 100% like they they like the
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food there it's their Community they can
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communicate with whoever they want they
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have you know old friends and relatives
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that you know are still there um and
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it's a very rich um culturally Rich
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historically you know beautiful country
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every part of it is beautiful it's a
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very very beautiful place and people are
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actually very very nice
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uh they're very warm and you know
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everywhere you go you know any house you
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put five Iranians together they start
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playing music and dancing and um so yeah
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the political situation is
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terrible uh and the country is
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basically you know like has been taken
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as hostage collectively all the people
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are hostages within their own land um uh
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and they have been for the past 44 years
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um that's the sad part but it doesn't
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you know people put up with the status
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quo because they still love the country
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they love the air the food the view the
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land you know yeah so did you and your
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sister mov to New Zealand with the
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appearance or just no no you just moved
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here on your how old were you at so you
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were like 17 17 so she was and she was
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like 20 21 20 that's a big move at that
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age were were you scared or did it make
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it easier cuz you were your big sister
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no I was actually more like my sister is
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way more
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I am um she's more reasonable than I am
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but no because you know um a lot of
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people at I I guess who grew up in that
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the same era as I did and especially
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with my family falling apart you know
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imagine one day you live normally and
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then um your father is gone and then
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there is this revolution that's
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happening outside and you know your
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whole world is coming down collapsing on
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you and next thing um
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you know you look out and you have to
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cover your hair and you have to do this
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and the whole society looks different
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and the TV is showing different things
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and it's all about religion and you know
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from a vibrant very happy country going
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to such extreme um basically overnight
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it kind of as a child it doesn't matter
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how old you are it it gets into your
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psyche and it starts to you know make
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you think completely different than a
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normal child would in under normal
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circumstances M um because you you are
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seeing like everything I know you is
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changing and next thing you know there's
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they're
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bombarding um you're sitting in your
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house and you're hearing bombings uh
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there's Invasion to your country you
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every time you turn TV on are dead
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people body parts so very quickly you
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become um a critical thinker you become
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very rational because it's matter of
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life and death there you don't have the
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luxury of envisaging anything except you
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know what how can I be smart to survive
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or you know things like that you know
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it's basic surv survival stuff that um
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takes over rather than just fantasies so
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you and your sister why New Zealand of
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all places like surely there was
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somewhere closer where you could enjoy
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freedom and rights like somewhere in
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England um why New Zealand is so so so
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so so far away uh because at the time we
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could get here easier in terms of
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getting visas and stuff like that and um
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language was English I think uh
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something that people you know discount
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about people migrating to New Zealand is
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so they don't have to learn a second
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language they can go and start working
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or become studying um so the language
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was a big deal and um also the
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universities in New Zealand they've got
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a great reputation it's a very quiet it
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at the time um it had population like I
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think of 3 million or something it was
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very quiet uh safe safe country there
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were no crimes um so it kind of made
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sense um and you
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know we decided that it was a perfect
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place to go jeez A lot's changed here in
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the last 30 years let probably safer in
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Iran at the moment a lot of crime here
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yeah in some ways actually you're right
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um You are not safe from the government
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but in terms of you know just people
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attacking you with Samurai sorts and you
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know guns and things like that machetes
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you know Iran is much safer yeah so you
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so you camp in New Zealand 167 years old
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and then like where do you begin where
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do you begin with setting up a new life
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did you come with much money did you
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have much savings or anything um not
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much no not much money but we knew we
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had some friends here who were extremely
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um amazing people who helped us set up
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and um you know that was a that was a
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great thing we kind of traveled a little
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looked at New Zealand settled in Oakland
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got ourselves jobs until um you know we
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went and studied and got our trainings
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on University Etc
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yeah so um yeah back to Iran before you
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came to New Zealand so um the think of
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the hijab place MH what are they
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exactly um well that's an Arabic word
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and um it is basically what any covering
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that goes over a woman yeah right now
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you can refer to you know wearing
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something completely covered like the
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talibans you know and just have your
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eyes sh for example or even that covered
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too that's a job but also having a scarf
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that's a job too so it's just basically
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that covers woman it's called hijab so
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so the hijab place they just um making
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sure that every every single person
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every single woman is wearing a hijab at
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all times
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um yes but wearing hij job correctly
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that's where the issue is because um
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there is no set rule of how hijob should
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be right worn um so it's up to the
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people that you come across uh in this
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um you know hijob police for example if
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they're having a bad day or they just
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don't like the way somebody looks or um
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they can take you because you've got
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tiny bit of hair shy or somebody can
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just have scarf on their you know
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shoulder and they will just ignore it it
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it depends on it's very
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um unclear set of rules um that that's
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where the issue comes from that's why
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some of these people who are
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implementing their power uh can get away
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by murdering girls for example because
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there's no set they don't really get
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punished at all it is just what it is so
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this this was how it was for you as a
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teenage girl in Iran is it still like
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this now yeah so if you go back to Iran
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now to visit your parents you have to
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wear a hij yeah right for sure no of
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course past couple of years over this
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um um or past year over what happened to
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Massa mini and you know the murders many
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of them of young uh women and men uh
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people especially the younger generation
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have become more
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um aggressive or defiant yes and they
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are um fighting um the regime by um
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removing their scarves so you see I see
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a lot of clips that they come out of
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Iran and you see you know a lot of
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people who are um fighting the rules
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they don't wear their scarves they go to
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Street just looking normal you know but
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then
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again you know they're risking their
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lives because there is no guarantee that
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they won't get killed yeah I mean it's
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not like here we where you can go to
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Parliament grounds and protest like the
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co mandates is it it's a very very
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highrisk opinion you're having
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absolutely yeah yeah I heard there was
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an incident where you you ended up Lo
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locked up in jail for like a week before
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you no it was much longer um yeah yeah
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before we came to new me and my sister
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so so you're like 15 16 yeah and you you
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you were incarcerated for how long I'm I
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think it was um about a month or
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something like that but they let us go
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after you know a week or two and then
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they locked us up again for another
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couple of weeks and then you know it was
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on and off because they were like we had
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to go to court and we had to go to they
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take they took us to um the only reason
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my sister and I managed
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to basically come
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out um and not really get prosecuted was
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because they took us to um uh what do
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you call it um you know the friend IC
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doctors um oh like like a COR something
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like that to check out and make sure
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that we were virgins
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yeah
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yeah for real yeah I I don't know if you
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want to get into this but what what does
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that entail uh so you go to uh in in the
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um you know there's a establishment that
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is um for forensic work and all that so
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you go there and um so the from jail
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they put us all in this bus um and they
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took us there and then we had to be
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examined by these three
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people um to for them to write a
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certificate whether somebody's a virsion
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or not you know and then if you weren't
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then it meant that you know you had
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less
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crimes
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so I know so do they bring your
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appearance in for this exam no no
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nothing the parents have no say they
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don't even let you call them so and so
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what happens if you fail this this test
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and then they'll um ask you or
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interrogate you until you tell them who
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you had sex with or and then they you
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could have you could have said it broke
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while you're on the
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horse no you can't so so then they go
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bring um that person in and um they
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they'll um marry you
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wow but it used to be that way those
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days I don't know about not but that's
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when I was 16 yeah so so so your parents
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when they how do they hear you're
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incarcerated do the like do the um the
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guards or the prison or the authorities
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called them to say hey your daughter's
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incarcerated and this is why no a friend
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of um us knew that we were going to that
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party and we supposed to come and join
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us later and then when she arrived well
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she obviously didn't come because she
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saw the pet you know cars and um so she
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had told called and said that you know
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Gilda and G were in this party situation
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and um it's been raided and they've
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taken them to jail and this is
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outrageous is were your parents are your
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parents [ __ ] off or is it just like is
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it just my dad my dad went beyond um to
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sort of uh make sure me and my sister
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were kind of
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not I they can't do much but the fact
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that you know he got us to go you know
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to go to the judge and you know all that
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he he did his best and we kind of uh
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they separated us because we were
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virgins too and they put us in a
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different cell than the other people so
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it was me my sister and this other girl
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out of the others what a traumatic
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experience you talk about it quite um
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sort of nonchalantly now like it's no
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big deal but that's um that's a that's
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traumatic that's a that's a lot at the
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time
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um but you know we grew up like
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that if it's not like you go there and
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this happens to me you be like or take a
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New Zealand teenager and you know
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um they're like oh my god what the hell
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is happening it it gradually when you
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grow up in that system you know it's
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there you know um you know it can happen
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you know worse things can happen you
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know you can go to jail get raped and
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then killed and that's that end of your
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life but you can't stop living as a
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human you can't shut up and I think one
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of the reasons um people tell me oh
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aren't you wor people say this and that
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I'm like no I don't even D what people
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say you live once you got a different
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perspective on things I guess yeah yeah
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oh that's was it after that incident
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where you're like that's it we got to go
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we yeah okay and you started looking up
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other places to go well my sister
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already she was studying in this
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American University she was doing
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physics
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engineering uh but she didn't want to
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stay there she wanted to come back and
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um you know for us to go somewhere
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together uh so when she came back this
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thing happened and then soon after we're
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going together hey what are you backing
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at hey Kanye what you doing you want to
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go up and see Lou up up up up oh you you
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want just kisses oh that's a lot to go
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through so when so were you in New
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Zealand when the um Iran Iraq war
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started or did you came here after okay
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what are your Recollections of
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that yeah you've lived through a lot
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haven't you oh of course yeah new the
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last 30 years in New Zealand must seem
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very boring compared to the first 17
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years of your life a lot you know the
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the start it was quite odd because first
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of all you come out and you don't have
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to cover yourself and you know it's like
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getting used to the very basic you know
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rights of being a human being
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um every time in Iran they used to have
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these cars which are like four-wheel
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drives big like Rovers or something
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um they used to belong to the uh
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morality police morality Poli yeah so
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they they just used to WAND their
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aimless in streets to make sure no man
00:20:19
is talking to a woman no you know your
00:20:22
your hair is covered you're not
00:20:23
listening to music you don't have makeup
00:20:24
you know stuff like that so we grew up
00:20:26
with that above our head all the time
00:20:28
but we all sort of folded took risks you
00:20:33
know little by
00:20:35
little dragged our little bit of Freedom
00:20:38
out at the risk that Push band R yeah
00:20:40
yeah absolutely um
00:20:43
so coming to New at the beginning it was
00:20:46
kind of like oh my God you know I don't
00:20:48
have to work but every time I used to
00:20:50
see these four-wheel drives I'd be like
00:20:52
oh like you know in the car oh my God
00:20:55
Tak a few yeah it takes a few seconds
00:20:57
for you to sort of just adjust yourself
00:21:00
and be like oh no no that's not the
00:21:02
morality place because You' grown up
00:21:03
with it you know you don't know any
00:21:04
better um so that that was interesting
00:21:07
but once you get over that then yeah
00:21:10
it's good and what are your memories of
00:21:13
the war um did did like did you have any
00:21:15
like male friends or yeah anyone that
00:21:17
that went to war yes yes absolutely my
00:21:22
dad actually went to war really yeah he
00:21:24
was he was doing something he had a
00:21:26
specialty that they took
00:21:28
it had to do with minds and clearing
00:21:31
minds and stuff like that um oh I I know
00:21:34
many people who died at War um family
00:21:37
friends because in Iran it's not like oh
00:21:40
you believe in you know this regime so
00:21:43
you go to war no it was you know
00:21:45
National Emergency the country was
00:21:47
invaded just after revolution we didn't
00:21:49
even have an army the very first
00:21:51
responders were um bage were who were
00:21:55
like local to each area that they went
00:21:57
and stood against um the Invaders um
00:22:01
later on it became a bigger sort of
00:22:03
establishment of its own um but um yeah
00:22:06
everybody and also if you're a in an age
00:22:09
that you have to go to Army it's
00:22:10
compulsory you have to go there is no
00:22:13
ifs and buts or you know choice um a lot
00:22:16
of people went a lot of people got
00:22:18
killed kind do you want to be picked up
00:22:21
do you want to be picked up what do you
00:22:22
want what do you want a pup AUP what do
00:22:25
you
00:22:26
want it's weird he does the say like he
00:22:28
wants to be picked up and then you got
00:22:29
to pick him up and he goes back a step
00:22:31
Mak signals up up up up where's Gilda
00:22:36
where's
00:22:38
Gilda what is it oh youing gild pick you
00:22:42
up up up
00:22:48
yeah um because I've heard stories about
00:22:50
um like stadiums um in run that were
00:22:53
like repurposed as like a place yeah
00:22:56
like a morg with kind
00:22:58
yeah yeah that's that's true I was
00:23:00
actually I lived in tan which is the
00:23:02
capital of Iran and uh there was a time
00:23:04
where we had this big attack you you
00:23:08
know it was like a push back to the
00:23:10
Iraqi um soldiers and um so they called
00:23:14
it the
00:23:15
100,000 people army 100,000 of young men
00:23:21
all going to recruit and I'm all going
00:23:23
to do one um insertion or one attack and
00:23:28
I think they all died most of them are
00:23:30
died most of them died and I remember
00:23:32
because in the streets we used to see
00:23:33
them march on the way there and there
00:23:36
were so many of them 100 thousand is a
00:23:38
lot of people and um after the attack
00:23:41
they brought back their bodies and they
00:23:44
they couldn't even like um in majority
00:23:47
of cases they would just fill up bags
00:23:49
with body parts and they put like a tag
00:23:53
army tag in it and would give it to the
00:23:54
people they weren't even their kids you
00:23:56
know they weren't even um their children
00:24:00
or family members uh but the smell of it
00:24:04
was everywhere tan is a city of 20
00:24:06
million at the time it had like 15
00:24:09
million or whatever big city it's a huge
00:24:12
you know the smell is everywhere you
00:24:14
know just the smell of death yeah it it
00:24:17
was you you don't forget things like
00:24:19
that you know it was um all these young
00:24:22
happy hopeful people going brainwashed
00:24:25
by the government to go and die for l or
00:24:28
whatever and you know they come back in
00:24:30
bits and pieces like minced
00:24:32
meat do you have any do you have
00:24:34
nightmares about it or anything sorry do
00:24:36
you have nightmares about it no no did
00:24:39
you at any time how long did it take you
00:24:42
mentioned before how triggering it was
00:24:43
saying the um the vehicles in New
00:24:46
Zealand that you thought might be the
00:24:46
morality place
00:24:49
um yeah like how long was it before
00:24:52
after you left um Iran and Camp to New
00:24:53
Zealand that you felt like fully sort of
00:24:55
relaxed like okay nothing bad's going to
00:24:57
Happ happened to me
00:24:58
here I still don't why do you think I'm
00:25:01
so vocal about the state of New Zealand
00:25:03
because I'm worried you never forget how
00:25:06
things can change overnight and how
00:25:09
humans can turn against each other how
00:25:12
um you know um an
00:25:15
ideological sort of powerful system can
00:25:19
come and disregard you as a human being
00:25:21
for the greater good you don't forget I
00:25:25
why do you think people ask me oh you
00:25:27
know okay you have such a nice life you
00:25:29
can go anywhere you can do anything you
00:25:31
canar I'm like yeah but that can go away
00:25:34
overnight and I see you know during the
00:25:37
process for example when I went down to
00:25:39
Wellington I saw all these people from
00:25:41
all walks of life some had nothing they
00:25:44
were living in you know their cars
00:25:46
because they lost their
00:25:48
jobs and you that was triggering for me
00:25:52
that that's when I was like you
00:25:54
know nobody should ever sit and be be
00:25:57
quiet about what's happening people
00:26:00
should have a sense of responsibility
00:26:02
towards their fellow humans
00:26:05
um because you know once your human
00:26:08
rights is gone it is very hard to get it
00:26:10
back you know when things are taken away
00:26:13
from you it is very hard to get them
00:26:14
back yeah that's a fact of life anywhere
00:26:17
any you know political rules boundaries
00:26:21
whatever comes in they hardly ever
00:26:25
leave they they're there to stay that
00:26:28
that's just so your freedom shrinking
00:26:30
and shrinking and shrinking and if
00:26:32
you're not aware if you don't take it
00:26:33
serious you know sure people tell me oh
00:26:36
she's so like crazy she thinks you know
00:26:39
she's a conspiracy theorist Etc um
00:26:42
that's okay but you know for me then
00:26:45
again I can put my head on my pillow and
00:26:47
say I did the right thing for my
00:26:49
children for my fellow human beings um
00:26:51
knowing that I did my best whether it
00:26:53
worked or it didn't work but at least
00:26:54
every day I'm thinking that and so far
00:26:57
far I think with this U mandates and
00:27:00
coover issues and the way the government
00:27:02
has handled stuff um I don't think I've
00:27:05
ever made a mistake I think I've been on
00:27:07
point on everything that I stood for and
00:27:09
I'm glad that I
00:27:11
did it's quite funny isn't it it feels
00:27:13
like we're um almost at a stage now in
00:27:14
society where if you have any sort of
00:27:16
opinion that's not mainstream popular
00:27:19
it's just very easy to you know put you
00:27:21
in a box and say you're an alt-right
00:27:23
conspiracy theorist seems to be a a a
00:27:26
state we're at now that's exactly what
00:27:27
what that's how it works this
00:27:29
ideological sort of establishments
00:27:31
coming in the reason I don't care about
00:27:34
that is because I grew up in one until I
00:27:37
was 16 the most you know important years
00:27:40
of my life I learned how these things
00:27:42
work you know I watched it happen if you
00:27:45
open your mouth said anything you you're
00:27:47
a heretic you don't believe in Islam you
00:27:49
don't believe in the collective uh
00:27:51
goodness in the greater you
00:27:54
know whatever you call it uh greater
00:27:57
good
00:27:58
um that's all excuse and [ __ ]
00:28:00
because you know they're absolutely
00:28:03
taking away the rights of the
00:28:06
greater population for their own
00:28:09
ideology I I don't agree with that I've
00:28:12
lived through it and I can see that it
00:28:15
started happening um not under Islamic
00:28:18
ideology but under a different ideology
00:28:21
um where a group of people in power feel
00:28:25
like they can dictate to everybody else
00:28:27
should live that's not being free no and
00:28:31
it's worrisome because I don't want my
00:28:32
children to go through what I went
00:28:34
through and yes I know they've got a
00:28:36
great life they we are in the most
00:28:38
beautiful country in the world and I
00:28:40
love this country but um looking at
00:28:43
oversees what's happening there and
00:28:44
looking at New Zealand the way they're
00:28:46
going um above things in New Zealand
00:28:51
um to me it's like oh [ __ ] this is all
00:28:53
happening again different way but the
00:28:56
same path did you did you um you
00:28:59
mentioned before you went to the um the
00:29:00
co protest in Wellington did you are you
00:29:02
vaccinated did you get the vaccine or no
00:29:05
no it's funny isn't it CU it's um there
00:29:08
was definit like you look back and it's
00:29:10
um I'm I'm a sheeple I just go along
00:29:12
with whatever's going like the
00:29:13
government tells me to get three Jabs
00:29:15
I'll get three [ __ ] Jabs I just want
00:29:16
to go with the path of least resistance
00:29:18
but I look back now and there was um you
00:29:21
one of my good friends got married and I
00:29:22
was a groomsman and his mom had to have
00:29:24
like a fake vaccine passport to
00:29:27
to even attend her own son's wedding um
00:29:30
because the catus wouldn't let her and
00:29:31
otherwise there and you look back now
00:29:32
recent it was only like two or three
00:29:33
years ago and it's just you think you
00:29:36
know she was sort of um almost like a
00:29:38
leper at her own son's wedding at that
00:29:40
time and it's only like recent history
00:29:41
and you look back down and go well maybe
00:29:42
she had a fear point do you know what I
00:29:44
mean and there was people that that were
00:29:46
forced out of their jobs and you look
00:29:48
back now and it's only again only a
00:29:49
couple of years ago and you think well
00:29:50
maybe these people that have had a point
00:29:52
um you know
00:29:55
when thinking r Al and OB objectively
00:30:00
becomes a
00:30:03
crime um and you're are being judged
00:30:08
for taking making decisions for your own
00:30:11
health or um you know doing your own
00:30:16
research at the time having W with
00:30:18
internet obviously you have access to
00:30:20
the best um you know virologists in the
00:30:23
world the best scientists in the world
00:30:25
and they are telling you after all their
00:30:28
years and this information was available
00:30:31
before the vaccination came to New
00:30:33
Zealand and they were all worried about
00:30:35
it and they were very um outspoken and
00:30:39
verbal about it it didn't take a you
00:30:41
know you could just go and find this
00:30:43
information and they were all valid um
00:30:48
and make your mind but when talking
00:30:50
logic or taking ownership of your own
00:30:53
life all of a sudden is you being a
00:30:55
heretic what is the difference of of
00:30:57
today and when they used to burn you
00:31:00
know uh Protestants or burn anybody or
00:31:02
scientists who spoke against the church
00:31:04
because the church said so because the
00:31:06
Catholic Church said this is the science
00:31:10
not what swans so says not what a person
00:31:13
who's dedicated his whole life has
00:31:15
written half of the you know scientific
00:31:19
book and uh books and uh medical books
00:31:22
uh which until now we've been practicing
00:31:24
oh don't listen to that person listen to
00:31:27
us listen to me the politician who's
00:31:29
enforcing this upon you and whole bunch
00:31:32
of um you know other people who are
00:31:34
parting it um and look at look what
00:31:37
happened today like for example with the
00:31:40
uh hatchard report coming out yesterday
00:31:43
which now shows that
00:31:45
11,000 uh people were exempt and a whole
00:31:49
bunch of them were surgeons and doctors
00:31:51
and health you know people in Ministry
00:31:53
of Health etc etc
00:31:56
well so what is the difference between
00:31:58
those people who were professionals
00:32:01
medical professionals who rejected the
00:32:04
vaccine they were the best of the best
00:32:06
in the country they rejected the vaccine
00:32:08
you gave them exemption but also gag
00:32:11
order so they couldn't talk about it but
00:32:13
if I refused to base on my own searching
00:32:17
of the best sources in the world if I
00:32:20
was like oh that's not very good for me
00:32:22
I think I'm going to wait and see what
00:32:24
happens and then you know I'm okay to
00:32:26
isolate so why was I a conspiracy theory
00:32:29
MH you know like yeah again like I was
00:32:31
saying before I think it's an easy box
00:32:33
to put people into that have any sort of
00:32:34
opinion that's not you know mainstream
00:32:37
or popular it's just it's like an easy
00:32:39
box just call them altright conspiracy
00:32:41
theorists yeah well the the thing is you
00:32:43
know what bothers me is that it's a very
00:32:46
hypocritical way that um you know the
00:32:51
our government has been dealing with a
00:32:54
personal freedom so if I today and I I
00:32:58
say I'm a different gender and this is
00:33:00
my pronouns this is what I think and
00:33:03
everybody should respect that oh yes
00:33:05
absolutely let's like raise all the
00:33:06
flags and support um you know um what
00:33:11
you're saying because you're an
00:33:12
individual we should respect your
00:33:14
ideology we should respect your thought
00:33:16
and we should respect your feeling so I
00:33:18
come in I'm like H I'm a mother of two I
00:33:21
am worried it's not enough research I
00:33:25
don't 100% trust this procedure I want
00:33:28
to take my time oh you um you know
00:33:31
you're just a conspiracy
00:33:33
theory why are you you know doing this
00:33:36
it's not all about you you're being
00:33:38
selfish so what is it either do we we
00:33:41
either we have the personal freedom of
00:33:44
thought and choice or we don't yeah
00:33:47
don't come at me and say oh you know I'm
00:33:50
I come from I don't know um some race or
00:33:55
somewhere or some country so so I you
00:33:57
know I'm more accepted because um I have
00:34:02
more thoughts and everybody say yeah
00:34:04
yeah and everybody else has to shut up
00:34:07
that's not okay if you if you give
00:34:09
freedom and choice to people then
00:34:11
respect that and don't be critical about
00:34:13
it would you ever get into politics you
00:34:16
got any interest in that um yeah I I get
00:34:20
ask about this this question a lot um I
00:34:23
don't have any interest to get into
00:34:26
politics but youve got some very strong
00:34:28
opinions and you're very smart as well
00:34:30
but I I I definitely have an issue with
00:34:33
how the our political system in New
00:34:35
Zealand has been um sort of handled uh
00:34:39
we vot and we get these people in they
00:34:42
go to make they make hang on Kanye no no
00:34:46
you're being very naughty he's just
00:34:48
bored about the co chat I reckon but I'm
00:34:52
yes well so what you're saying is you um
00:34:54
um so I I believe that it needs to be
00:34:56
kind of of tackled and people we are
00:34:59
voters and we have rights um but we vote
00:35:02
these people and they go in there with
00:35:04
no accountability do whatever they want
00:35:06
nobody questions them nobody goes and
00:35:08
holds them responsible hey you promis
00:35:10
these things where are they what
00:35:11
happened we don't have establishment
00:35:13
like that and I believe that we do we
00:35:15
are in dire need of an entity that
00:35:19
overlooks what government does in terms
00:35:21
of making sure they deliver in any
00:35:24
cooperation anywhere you'll have that
00:35:26
accountability accept um within this
00:35:29
government and how you know they run it
00:35:31
now that doesn't exist in many other
00:35:33
places in the world either but it
00:35:34
doesn't mean that it can't exist and I
00:35:37
believe that it is definitely you know
00:35:39
we need a whole bunch of people who are
00:35:41
experts and passionate uh who can come
00:35:44
and make sure the government delivers
00:35:45
what they promise yeah so we we're
00:35:47
recording this before the election it'll
00:35:49
come out sometime after the election who
00:35:51
do you know which way you're voting yes
00:35:53
do you share that or no I have shared
00:35:55
that yes I've said that I will uh vote
00:35:58
National and um NZ it first but you know
00:36:01
it first yes when sure um I've never
00:36:04
voted for him before but I um you know
00:36:09
people are like oh we have trust is have
00:36:11
you seen loxon before in the parliament
00:36:14
no have David on top no have you you
00:36:18
know how do you know these people will
00:36:20
deliver you know this guy I'm looking
00:36:23
I'm looking at the odds I'm thinking for
00:36:25
the age that he is experience that he
00:36:27
has the fact that he's talking about
00:36:30
these subjects that we've been shut down
00:36:33
for a few years now he's bringing it up
00:36:37
he's talking about them he's um
00:36:39
advocating and standing up for a whole
00:36:41
bunch of people um that otherwise nobody
00:36:44
gives a damn about you know this like I
00:36:47
say that as an immigrant and I talk to a
00:36:50
lot of other immigrants and they see the
00:36:51
same way because at the moment we see
00:36:53
what happens it's a thing between like
00:36:56
the colonial white people and the mai
00:36:59
people so great you guys have your thing
00:37:02
but what about us immigrants we are a
00:37:05
big numos in New Zealand who've been
00:37:07
here for years um paid all taxes we've
00:37:11
delivered too so I think we shouldn't be
00:37:13
lost in the equation for what British
00:37:18
colonial did to the mai people we came
00:37:20
here too and we got accepted and we were
00:37:23
given uh equal rights um like every
00:37:26
other and but during the cover I have
00:37:29
friends here from um you know um Somalia
00:37:34
I have friends from um Zimbabwe I have
00:37:37
friends from Nigeria you know um while
00:37:41
people are going out there screaming
00:37:42
black lives matter at the same time uh
00:37:45
Ministry of Health says oh you know if
00:37:47
you get sick if you're Mar or Pacifica
00:37:51
you go on to priority list to see a
00:37:54
person in a hospital so what what this
00:37:57
African friends of mine are not all of a
00:38:00
sudden their black lives doesn't matter
00:38:03
you can't have this I understand this
00:38:05
whole of the history of what's happened
00:38:09
but you can't take away other human
00:38:12
beings right in order to um prove a
00:38:16
point or get more rights for yourself
00:38:18
this is wrong and the government you
00:38:21
know is in some ways you know they're
00:38:24
[ __ ] footing out on the subject and the
00:38:26
only person that comes out and says no
00:38:27
everybody's equal all these immigrants
00:38:29
who come to this country and contributed
00:38:31
they also are equal they have rights it
00:38:33
shouldn't be this person is of this race
00:38:36
therefore this person has more priority
00:38:39
or rights over another person then
00:38:41
that's going back to when you know
00:38:45
um before racism was a thing when racism
00:38:50
was everything you know All These Years
00:38:52
everybody is fought to get rid of it and
00:38:54
all of a sudden we gradually introducing
00:38:55
it um and I think I vote as an immigrant
00:38:59
for vinston because uh he is for that
00:39:03
equality he's a real character um I
00:39:06
would love to get him on the podcast at
00:39:08
some stage he's he's been in Parliament
00:39:10
for such a long time like you see you
00:39:13
footage from the 1970s and he's in there
00:39:16
yeah he's actually quite a lot as well
00:39:18
you know he's a very intelligent person
00:39:20
I I soci you much to do with him uh I
00:39:22
socially have known him for very many
00:39:24
years over 20 years but um just here and
00:39:28
there in Social occasions um recently I
00:39:31
did have him um to come to my place um I
00:39:37
kind of like I got you know what is it
00:39:40
democracy and z and um act Winston also
00:39:45
nationally came also OK Conor um Simon
00:39:48
OK Conor so I quite like to get
00:39:50
different groups of people together and
00:39:52
have them question and ask and get make
00:39:55
their decisions for themselves just
00:39:57
don't be a you know sheeple don't just
00:40:00
that's me yeah no it's not you but no no
00:40:03
it completely is I just don't want to
00:40:05
rock the boat and some of the stuff
00:40:06
you've said um I you know I I agree with
00:40:10
it I'm sure a lot of people would but
00:40:11
most of us will just bite our tongues or
00:40:13
keep our mouth shut because you don't
00:40:15
want to stick your neck out and you do
00:40:17
and I admire that about you thank you
00:40:18
and there's traits that you have that I
00:40:20
wish I had more of and I'm sure a lot of
00:40:21
people listening to this would but we're
00:40:22
like I don't need the aggravation in my
00:40:25
life you know I totally understand that
00:40:29
a poor attitude though isn't it it's
00:40:30
it's look not every human being has gone
00:40:33
through the same experiences and we
00:40:35
don't all have the same personalities um
00:40:37
hence we all have different perspectives
00:40:39
and different way of thinking and
00:40:41
looking at things um so that's okay you
00:40:44
know um some people are shy some people
00:40:47
just don't want to be bothered because
00:40:49
you know it's just too it puts too much
00:40:51
um stress anxiety on them um I think
00:40:54
I've overcome all that when I was was a
00:40:56
child so do you do you just need some
00:40:59
sort of um some sort of friction or some
00:41:02
sort of even mild drama in your life I
00:41:05
don't I actually hate that I actually
00:41:07
hate that I um I I'm a good time person
00:41:10
I love good times I love family time I
00:41:12
love getting together cooking traveling
00:41:15
my kids you know um I like everything
00:41:18
that everybody else normal human beings
00:41:21
like you just a you know basic happiness
00:41:25
um how ever it is not you know hence I
00:41:28
didn't like Dancing with the Stars
00:41:30
because I hate competition I I'm not a
00:41:32
competitive person I I don't care if
00:41:35
somebody wins or to me it's all the same
00:41:38
um but
00:41:40
unfortunately um when I go to like sort
00:41:43
of a mode where I get worried or sort of
00:41:49
stressed and you know I get
00:41:52
triggered that I see a change that I
00:41:55
don't smell anything and good coming out
00:41:56
of it that's when I go to this kind of a
00:41:59
um aggressive mode where I'm like like a
00:42:02
barking Chihuahua
00:42:04
everywhere well I love that and you're a
00:42:06
m of two fairly young boys as well so
00:42:07
you you're obviously concerned
00:42:09
about how the future's going to look for
00:42:11
them in New
00:42:12
Zealand you know um that is the main
00:42:16
thing if it wasn't for my kids I was
00:42:19
oh I'll stay off Twitter I'll be like oh
00:42:22
I I'm just going to go and live a
00:42:24
fabulous life and give it down anybody
00:42:26
else but the reality is when you are a
00:42:28
parent you're a mother um or father you
00:42:33
you worry you you don't think about you
00:42:35
at that time you think about what is to
00:42:37
come for the future of your children
00:42:40
because unfortunately with my past um
00:42:43
you know growing up in a country like
00:42:45
that you know I always was like oh my
00:42:47
God my kids I've done so well my kids
00:42:49
will have a fabulous lives and they look
00:42:51
at the sea and they no no I never tell
00:42:55
them off I never tell him off but this
00:42:58
is he's interrupting some really good
00:42:59
chat Kanye Kanye no come here he's like
00:43:03
what is this voice who even are you dad
00:43:07
like what's going come here come
00:43:10
on how's how's your um oh how good dog
00:43:14
we don't deserve dogs he we don't
00:43:16
deserve them love you bu is that what
00:43:18
you wanted what I see your tongue has
00:43:20
grown longer since I saw you last time
00:43:23
GE it's like a lizard tongue now what's
00:43:25
going on with you
00:43:27
okay very so um I love you how's how's
00:43:30
your how's your mental health been like
00:43:32
do you do you have any you you've talked
00:43:34
about being triggered by some things you
00:43:36
said you haven't had any nightmares do
00:43:37
you have any like PTSD or your mental
00:43:39
Health's been like pretty good over you
00:43:41
know there's been no time as an adult
00:43:42
where you know you've you've had to go
00:43:45
and um like unpack or readdress some of
00:43:47
the some of the early
00:43:49
stuff yeah but I'm I'm kind of um or do
00:43:53
you think it's you're cuz you do seem
00:43:55
like remarkably resilient and strong and
00:43:58
levelheaded do you think part of that
00:43:59
comes from the adversity that you
00:44:00
suffered early on yes um you know
00:44:05
um
00:44:07
what I grew up with um at the time if I
00:44:12
hadn't managed as a child to deal with
00:44:15
it and sort it out um I would have not
00:44:20
survived I would have been an absolute
00:44:21
mess but as everything was happening it
00:44:25
was just you know I was taking it
00:44:27
analyzing as a very young age you know
00:44:30
um dealing with it and understanding it
00:44:33
you know when you it's kind of strange
00:44:35
feeling you know where you um you know
00:44:38
you're asleep and then all of a sudden
00:44:40
bombs are dropping on you and you have
00:44:42
to run outside there's no real place you
00:44:44
can go and hide right but you just go
00:44:46
under you know your house in the garage
00:44:48
or something yeah your house is the safe
00:44:50
place but it it's just that whole you
00:44:52
know it's a useless practice but it's
00:44:54
that whole notion of oh oh I'm doing
00:44:56
something to stay alive you know that
00:44:58
takes your sort of uh fear away or you
00:45:03
get over you don't think about the bumbs
00:45:05
dropping and you go and you're like it
00:45:07
has stopped and then you count it like
00:45:09
there were eight bumbs for example today
00:45:11
tonight or today and Rockets or whatever
00:45:15
and and then you think
00:45:18
oh there are people like I'm alive but a
00:45:21
whole bunch of other people have
00:45:23
died and as harsh as it sounds
00:45:26
you think oh I'm a Survivor I win this
00:45:29
I'm still alive you don't really think
00:45:32
that much about these other people
00:45:34
who've died and then next day you see on
00:45:36
TV all these buildings collapsing or
00:45:38
people dying um yeah it I think going
00:45:43
through that today's stuff aren't it's
00:45:47
nothing yeah like every day is a
00:45:49
blessing for you every day is a good day
00:45:50
yeah and the funny thing is like you
00:45:52
know um you know I'm going back to your
00:45:55
original question about the gold digger
00:45:57
and stuff like that you will get uh yeah
00:46:00
I um you know one of the reasons for
00:46:02
example you know I like when I was going
00:46:04
uh to UNI and generally I just wouldn't
00:46:07
gel with young New Zealand men cuz too
00:46:12
smart for them no no it's just they had
00:46:14
a whole different sheltered life and
00:46:17
none of them really understood you know
00:46:19
like I couldn't talk to them about
00:46:20
politics I wouldn't talk to them about
00:46:22
like uh what in international stuff or
00:46:25
you know a whole bunch of experiences
00:46:26
that I had I hardly could find anybody
00:46:29
who had you know you could talk to them
00:46:31
and they will sit there and look at you
00:46:32
like what the [ __ ] and that was it you
00:46:34
know um you as I said at the beginning
00:46:36
of this like I find you very
00:46:37
intimidating because you're very
00:46:39
intellectual very smart no it's not
00:46:41
about that but it's it's like I've lived
00:46:43
a life you know so when I met my
00:46:47
ex-husband he had been a young immigrant
00:46:50
to New Zealand you know he started from
00:46:53
nothing he um came from a very
00:46:55
conflicted place you know um his parents
00:46:58
were Irish so his mom was orange and his
00:47:01
dad was his mom was green and his dad
00:47:03
was orange is a noo so his family his
00:47:06
father's family tried his mother's
00:47:09
family tried no father's family tried to
00:47:11
shoot his father because you know um it
00:47:15
was it was a sacrilege to mix Protestant
00:47:17
and Catholic um so they had to move and
00:47:21
go and live elsewhere and so he un and
00:47:24
and then when he was a child his father
00:47:26
went to war he understood the concept of
00:47:28
War he was a young imig you know he went
00:47:31
through a lot of stuff emotionally that
00:47:34
I went through in different settings in
00:47:36
different time zones but the same
00:47:39
experiences you know uh coming here at
00:47:42
very young age on his own you know
00:47:43
Jumping Ship
00:47:46
um so him and I really gelled and
00:47:50
connected you know although there there
00:47:52
was you know it was much older than me
00:47:54
but it it it just worked we were like
00:47:56
whoa you know um we get each other and
00:48:00
that to me
00:48:01
was my digging
00:48:03
gold yeah so this is um this is your you
00:48:07
you are you still legally married you
00:48:08
you broke up divorced divorced because
00:48:12
it it was
00:48:13
actually um at the time like for a
00:48:16
couple of years we're discussing that I
00:48:18
was like oh you know I think I'm going
00:48:20
to want to have children so we can adopt
00:48:23
or you know um get a Etc and he was
00:48:27
firmly against that and he told me that
00:48:31
because because he already had adult
00:48:33
kids or it just was like oh yeah and I
00:48:36
was like fine and so anyway it took kind
00:48:38
of couple of years and
00:48:42
um we were like even when I had my first
00:48:45
child we were still living together you
00:48:47
know uh so it was we were very open
00:48:49
about the process what happened um and
00:48:52
we are still best friends I see him you
00:48:55
know
00:48:56
couple of times a week um yes so this is
00:48:58
um this is uh James kir Patrick who's um
00:49:02
43 years old so he's how old now at 93
00:49:05
yes 93 so so when you when you got
00:49:07
together you were 26 I think 26 and he
00:49:11
was 20 40 like early 70s no I think 69
00:49:16
or something right and um you just like
00:49:20
attracted it just attracted the
00:49:21
intellect yeah or yeah it it was that it
00:49:25
it was that we just
00:49:28
um you know had so much to talk about
00:49:32
and he was so Charming you know um we
00:49:36
had lots of
00:49:38
f friends in common that's how I met him
00:49:41
and he originally told me and my sister
00:49:44
that he wanted he was doing some project
00:49:46
in um Oto I think or something and he
00:49:50
wanted our um help because at the time
00:49:53
um you know we studied architecture so
00:49:56
um and that was his you know he was a
00:49:58
developer and um then he gave a project
00:50:02
I think to do his offices or something
00:50:04
like that so was kind of a gradual thing
00:50:07
as and he just one time out of the blue
00:50:10
he was like oh you know introduced me to
00:50:13
some like someone just ran as my fiance
00:50:15
and he I was like what the you know like
00:50:17
it was just funny it was you know and it
00:50:20
was never about um you know
00:50:24
um kind
00:50:26
of you know lost and it wasn't it our
00:50:30
friendship it was full of respect our
00:50:33
age difference was a lot uh he was going
00:50:35
through some stuff at the time and um it
00:50:38
it just worked it was more like a um
00:50:41
sort of a great friendship
00:50:44
that sort of got the
00:50:47
marriage stamp on it yeah so it's a
00:50:50
great friendship and you connected on an
00:50:52
intellectual level but it must have been
00:50:54
nice to know he was rich as well well
00:50:56
you know it was it was but like just for
00:50:59
the the SEC security aspect of nothing
00:51:01
else you to be
00:51:07
fair it was it's the you know people
00:51:11
might look at it funny way but when a
00:51:15
person comes from nothing and achieves
00:51:17
what he had achieved it is you know you
00:51:20
just develop disrespect and like wow you
00:51:24
you know um
00:51:28
it's the same as like some of these like
00:51:29
scientists or people that you look that
00:51:31
they've created something they don't
00:51:33
have much money but intellectually
00:51:34
they're like wow you know you've
00:51:36
achieved this and you know they've got
00:51:38
like professors penniless professors
00:51:41
where you know all these young girls
00:51:43
fall in love with them it's it's kind of
00:51:46
like that the fact that he had managed
00:51:48
to do so many um terrible jobs and you
00:51:54
know live in such such poverty yet get
00:51:57
himself there um that was so
00:52:00
admirable it's a turn on isn't it
00:52:02
someone that who's not to who's not to
00:52:04
fall in love with that you know so you
00:52:08
got married what what was the um what
00:52:11
was the Judgment like there must been a
00:52:12
lot of judgment from a lot of people did
00:52:14
that hurt or not
00:52:16
really no I just I didn't care yeah he
00:52:19
didn't care it was
00:52:22
like my uh my part my girlfriend at the
00:52:24
moment she 21 years younger than me and
00:52:27
we get a lot of that you know you do and
00:52:29
it's yeah but I don't understand AR it's
00:52:32
just people are you know if you go and
00:52:34
marry a handsome rich prince oh my God
00:52:38
you've done so well it's like what what
00:52:42
and then he goes on has Affairs and
00:52:44
dumps you two minutes later
00:52:47
and it's what why is it that we
00:52:50
celebrate people who um go after like
00:52:53
this crazy
00:52:56
package that has been promoted in I
00:52:59
don't know Disneyland or Hollywood
00:53:02
Disney movies people oh this person has
00:53:04
to be certain height and looks like this
00:53:06
and certain age and body like this and
00:53:08
this much a nice car or whatever oh my
00:53:12
God what a great girl we go and
00:53:15
celebrate people who go for the cliche
00:53:18
of Hollywood and Disney [ __ ] The
00:53:21
Prince and princesses story and oh
00:53:24
people cry over it oh my God she married
00:53:27
this Prince and then people who go and
00:53:29
marry whoever they want you know old or
00:53:31
young or whatever who cares so should
00:53:35
you go and criticize somebody who
00:53:37
marries a billionaire who is Young and
00:53:39
handsome also should you call them a
00:53:41
gold
00:53:42
digger well yeah it's no different is it
00:53:45
it's um no no different and obviously
00:53:49
you know if if you're just in it for the
00:53:50
money there's no way you're going to be
00:53:51
married for 15 years let alone um breaka
00:53:54
and still be oh best
00:53:56
friend yeah he loves the kids he loves
00:53:59
my partner we we're best friends he's
00:54:01
extremely um supportive you know he
00:54:05
spent a couple of months last Christmas
00:54:07
with us um you know up north there's no
00:54:10
you know he doesn't have an issue and
00:54:12
people like oh you know it's like he
00:54:15
doesn't have an issue I don't have a
00:54:16
issue what is it to
00:54:18
you I love that how's how's his health
00:54:21
now is he okay he's okay he goes to work
00:54:23
right does he yeah yeah yeah he goes
00:54:26
geez that's
00:54:27
great in your 90s it's you're in snipers
00:54:30
alley aren't you but he's not a normal
00:54:33
person what do you mean yeah he's he's
00:54:35
just always been you know with the
00:54:38
amount of wealth he has he lives so
00:54:41
moderately you know he's not a um kind
00:54:46
of a guy that who goes to work to make
00:54:48
money to flash and buy this and that and
00:54:52
you know have a he goes to work because
00:54:54
he believes in productivity he believes
00:54:56
in what he does and um you
00:55:00
know hardly ever you come across people
00:55:03
like that but in a funny way that's
00:55:05
probably what's kept them um fit and
00:55:07
healthy and vital I mean you stop work
00:55:09
at 50 60 70 whatever and then then what
00:55:12
happens if that's all you know then it's
00:55:15
almost like you've lost that purpose
00:55:16
that reason to wake up always used to
00:55:18
say the day I the day I stop working
00:55:20
I'll die yeah you know because to him
00:55:23
like even like and nowadays they deliver
00:55:26
for him but like when he used to go and
00:55:28
supermarket and Shop he used to like be
00:55:31
worried about two cents more and two
00:55:32
cents less is that just a hangover from
00:55:35
his like poo upbringing no his early
00:55:38
years no it's just him right you know
00:55:41
just a tired ass it's not he looks at it
00:55:44
as value right he doesn't believe in
00:55:46
wastage okay yeah unbelievable that's
00:55:49
awesome so and how how does it when when
00:55:53
when you broke up after 15 years you
00:55:54
said it was mic but was it oh it was on
00:55:56
the car it's we had talked about it it
00:55:58
wasn't public you know um it wasn't
00:56:02
it's we are still you know the same
00:56:05
nothing has CH you know from the day I
00:56:06
met him to now nothing really has
00:56:08
changed I see him less because we're not
00:56:11
living together that's basically it but
00:56:14
other than that nothing really has
00:56:16
changed so I think it was around this
00:56:18
probably this time putting a time stamp
00:56:19
on the conversation where you were where
00:56:20
you were married to James that you
00:56:22
became like um a socialite like I just
00:56:24
moved up to ockland from paliston North
00:56:27
what year was that like in the uh in the
00:56:29
early 2000s right and it's every weekend
00:56:31
there's the um the her on Sunday and
00:56:34
they had a section called spy um Ricardo
00:56:36
simit does it now but I think it was
00:56:38
this lady called Bridget Saunders yes
00:56:39
yeah and you were like in the paper
00:56:41
every weekend yeah always going out to
00:56:43
things sure why why why was there so
00:56:46
much interest in you
00:56:48
um you know it's funny because
00:56:52
people misunderstood the situation
00:56:55
people were like oh you're looking for
00:56:58
exposure and fame like for what what
00:57:01
happened is that because and before that
00:57:04
James didn't really have a public
00:57:05
profile it was quite but I think putting
00:57:09
him and me together um all of a sudden
00:57:13
it was just this no in Europe Young
00:57:15
Women Marry old men all the time in
00:57:17
Middle East they marry all the time
00:57:18
nobody cares but in here it was like oh
00:57:21
um so it it was to them it was really
00:57:24
intriguing and you know um they started
00:57:27
picking on me they
00:57:30
started you know qu writing in gossip
00:57:33
columns before even I you know oh James
00:57:36
and has my this guildo
00:57:39
and so what I did was like well there is
00:57:42
no shame I'm not going to hide from this
00:57:44
do you want a picture you come and take
00:57:46
a picture you know if it's a freak Show
00:57:47
come I'm the freak take the picture um
00:57:50
and that was my attitude I'm not going
00:57:52
to go out and hide because I married
00:57:53
somebody older you know it's it's it's a
00:57:55
thing you know Kings used to marry young
00:57:57
people all the time they were celebrated
00:58:00
but here it was like oh my god um so
00:58:04
yeah yeah I had um Rachel you know
00:58:06
Rachel Hunter do you know her yeah I had
00:58:08
her on the podcast and she had an
00:58:09
interesting take on that we talked about
00:58:11
um the power and balance of you know her
00:58:14
and Rod Stewart so she was in her early
00:58:16
20s he was in his 40s I think and he was
00:58:19
you a famous pop star and her take on it
00:58:21
is that um there's also power in Youth
00:58:24
and beauty
00:58:25
yeah you know what I mean so she's like
00:58:27
Rod didn't have all the power and I was
00:58:29
just this hopeless young thing it's like
00:58:31
and I suppose it's the same thing with
00:58:32
you guys like he was older than you and
00:58:34
had the money um but you you you know
00:58:36
you had your Youth and your beauty and
00:58:38
there's power in there um um you know
00:58:42
it's you know everything in life that we
00:58:44
do there is exchange if you fall in love
00:58:47
with somebody a prince and you know a
00:58:50
princess from different countries they
00:58:52
they get married there is always other
00:58:56
ulterior motives too if somebody makes
00:58:58
you feel bad you don't want to go out
00:59:00
with them you don't want to be with them
00:59:01
you don't want to marry them if somebody
00:59:03
doesn't give you that right Vibes or so
00:59:07
it's it's kind of give and take yes if I
00:59:09
was a of a certain age I suppose if I
00:59:12
had this different figure if I looked
00:59:14
differ if my brain didn't work the way
00:59:16
it did that didn't connect with them
00:59:18
there was no way out of all these people
00:59:20
in the world he would want to marry me
00:59:22
you know so it's not like oh let go and
00:59:25
find myself a rich old man and you know
00:59:28
you're not shopping it has to work both
00:59:31
ways one of the smartest cleverest human
00:59:34
beings
00:59:35
alive saw me and chose me and connected
00:59:40
with me you know he was extremely
00:59:43
successful very very very smart you know
00:59:46
um nobody could fool him so to me that
00:59:51
was a compliment that wow this guy with
00:59:53
all his might
00:59:55
can see me and connects with me and we
00:59:57
can talk about the same things he
00:59:59
respects my opinion he asks me for
01:00:02
advice you know so that gave me this you
01:00:05
know sort of feeling of um value value
01:00:10
grander you know and especially as
01:00:11
somebody who came here so young without
01:00:13
a family lacking a dad on my life um you
01:00:17
know now we I've reconnected with my dad
01:00:19
about 14 years ago before that I never
01:00:22
saw him um so it was kind of
01:00:26
he was all of a sudden a whole family
01:00:29
you know yeah actually yeah I never
01:00:31
thought about that because I thought the
01:00:32
um relationship with both your parents
01:00:34
was sound but I suppose gold diggers
01:00:36
something that people would say and
01:00:37
another thing people would say was would
01:00:39
be daddy issues probably yeah yeah sure
01:00:41
so maybe an element of dead daddy issues
01:00:44
so my problem was I couldn't connect to
01:00:45
anybody around my own age because they
01:00:48
were just too immature you know I had
01:00:50
lived this life of very intense and um
01:00:55
so younger people to me were like oh
01:00:59
let's go get drunk you know I'm like oh
01:01:01
God you know those days it didn't even
01:01:02
drink you know it was like quite um but
01:01:07
you know and I was working all the time
01:01:09
but um he would he kind of gave me that
01:01:12
whole package of security family and
01:01:16
somebody who understands um somebody who
01:01:20
makes me feel safe so I don't feel like
01:01:22
oh this young guy is going to leave me
01:01:23
like my dad left my mom my dad was very
01:01:26
handsome you know he was all that
01:01:29
character personality and money was
01:01:31
everything uh but he always kind of was
01:01:35
very independent doing his own thing and
01:01:37
my mom was always like oh still my mom
01:01:39
blabbers about my dad you know he's
01:01:41
still not aare that I never wanted to
01:01:43
put myself in that situation where I I I
01:01:45
would be left behind or had to deal with
01:01:48
an affair or that was like oh that's
01:01:51
just my Red Zone I will never red line
01:01:54
cross that and with him I was like okay
01:01:56
he's older he's not going to go and have
01:01:57
affairs on me he's not going to do this
01:01:59
he's not going to leave me you know so
01:02:02
it made me feel secure and safe and so
01:02:05
what he was older who cares you know
01:02:06
yeah and so you guys um got married and
01:02:09
is that when you bought the the house
01:02:11
you live in now no we live what's it
01:02:13
called the the cake house no what's the
01:02:15
they call it the Wedding Cake House The
01:02:16
Wedding Cake House it's one of the most
01:02:17
famous and I guess visible houses in
01:02:19
Oakland for anyone that's not in Oakland
01:02:21
if you're driving along um the
01:02:22
Waterfront tmiy drive towards um say um
01:02:26
Kelly Ton's it's a big one up on the up
01:02:28
on the hill look look does it look like
01:02:30
a weding cake doesn't really look like a
01:02:32
weding cake does it well I don't know
01:02:34
why they call it see Connie just wanted
01:02:37
to come and give me kisses you just
01:02:38
wanted to come and sit with me you
01:02:40
making all that noise because you were
01:02:42
down there not up here yeah so that's um
01:02:45
I I don't think I've ever been to your
01:02:46
house but I drive past it it's it's a
01:02:48
big house and it's a it's a very
01:02:49
handsome property oh thank you no we we
01:02:52
lived up the road at number five
01:02:55
for I think about 5 years and then um
01:02:59
this property became
01:03:02
available um and I always liked it um
01:03:05
because it was um I don't know you know
01:03:07
immigrant you come to New Zealand the
01:03:10
first thing you do you go to Mission Bay
01:03:11
on the way oh my God that house and
01:03:13
there's a famous area in tan where I
01:03:16
live um it's called sh and it it's got
01:03:20
all these houses on the cliff and it
01:03:22
always reminded me of homes you know um
01:03:25
so I was like oh that house is so dreamy
01:03:27
it's like round it looks like some sort
01:03:29
of a you know Castle uh so when he came
01:03:32
available James was like hey he I
01:03:34
remember he came home and he said your
01:03:36
favorite house is in the market I'm
01:03:37
going to go knock on the door and see
01:03:38
you know if they um oh that's so sweet
01:03:41
yeah so he bought it and I renovated the
01:03:44
whole thing a project managed I did the
01:03:46
whole thing basically uh and then he was
01:03:48
like oh you know this house is like nice
01:03:51
but you know the next door is available
01:03:53
now maybe you should maybe I should buy
01:03:55
that we do that and we move there and I
01:03:57
was like so he went and bought number 92
01:04:00
but I was like I I just like number 90
01:04:03
because I brought all the
01:04:05
material yeah so he sold it a few years
01:04:07
ago but at the number 9 to Next Door
01:04:11
yeah yeah is that your forever home do
01:04:12
you think you live there well you know
01:04:15
there is no forever anything yeah yeah
01:04:18
and is home to us the kids love it who
01:04:21
lives there you you can't be doing the
01:04:22
cleaning yourself it's massive right
01:04:23
like
01:04:25
sprawling no I have had a housekeeper
01:04:28
with me for um 18 years like a living
01:04:32
house cleaner um no she she's a
01:04:34
housekeeper she basically owns the
01:04:39
house she's a family she's she's very
01:04:42
close um so she's been with uh me for a
01:04:46
very long time yeah right right and do
01:04:48
you have like um an aquarium in there
01:04:50
with
01:04:51
turtles
01:04:52
really it's one of those things that you
01:04:55
hear and I'm not sure if it's like real
01:04:56
or an urban myth is that right how big
01:04:58
is this tank uh like Kelly talton's big
01:05:00
no no no it's the same the same width as
01:05:04
as a ward okay how big are the Turtles
01:05:07
um oh yeah like a 30 cm yeah no what
01:05:11
that size at the moment yeah they're
01:05:13
only a couple of years old how many how
01:05:15
many bedrooms is this house um you got
01:05:18
around to Counting them all year yes uh
01:05:20
we have four bedrooms uh an office and
01:05:26
then there's a out house which is like a
01:05:31
on like a suite on its own with kitchen
01:05:33
bathroom and everything separated is
01:05:35
that on your BNB no my mom stays there
01:05:38
okay you could probably get a couple
01:05:40
hundred bucks a night and that um so why
01:05:43
um let's get into the reality TV stuff
01:05:45
then so uh what came first was it
01:05:47
Dancing with the Stars then so it was
01:05:49
real
01:05:50
housewives so that was um that that was
01:05:52
on Bravo went for one SE one season one
01:05:55
season yeah why did you go why the hell
01:05:57
did you go on that you must have watched
01:05:59
some of the other um series from
01:06:00
overseas and realized that yeah it's
01:06:02
just is it like we were talking about
01:06:04
before you need a certain level of like
01:06:06
drama or friction in your life CU that's
01:06:09
exactly what you setting yourself up for
01:06:10
with a show like that isn't
01:06:13
it um
01:06:18
well at the time um I was like
01:06:22
passionate about this book I was working
01:06:24
on and um when I had a meeting with them
01:06:28
they came and approached and they said
01:06:30
that it was a great platform if you
01:06:32
wanted to promote a product or whatever
01:06:34
that you know you have and I was like oh
01:06:36
what a great idea I can promote my book
01:06:38
because what I wanted to do at the time
01:06:41
I didn't write a book to write books I
01:06:43
didn't do the books because I wanted to
01:06:45
have books out there I wanted to have a
01:06:47
couple of books so then I could go on um
01:06:51
try to get them into animation Series so
01:06:55
at the time that was my thought um and I
01:06:58
believed in the concept of the books you
01:07:00
know well was it like sci-fi books kids
01:07:02
well it it was 100% based on um
01:07:06
astrophysics and real science so I I had
01:07:08
two Consultants from um Oakland
01:07:11
University who were astrophysicists and
01:07:14
they helped me with all the scientific
01:07:16
stuff um and it's educational and I had
01:07:19
feedbacks from a whole bunch of people
01:07:21
who had uh autistic children or who you
01:07:24
know who couldn't concentrate on science
01:07:26
yet because this book was pictures um
01:07:30
for the first time apparently they had
01:07:32
shown interest and learned science
01:07:34
learned about you know solar system and
01:07:38
our U Galaxy so that was my passion and
01:07:41
I was like oh what a great idea so I get
01:07:43
some like free publicity to and then I
01:07:45
went and I never watched these shows I
01:07:46
went I watched as a resear I was like
01:07:48
[ __ ] that's like you know that's pretty
01:07:50
intense it is there are some psycho
01:07:52
people in there and um and then I
01:07:57
thought oh well for years I've been
01:08:01
everywhere there is nothing that I have
01:08:02
in Clos in the closet I've never you
01:08:04
know I've been open
01:08:06
book what's going to happen you know so
01:08:09
that was my Approach and I was like oh
01:08:11
um yeah that's why I kind
01:08:13
of partook in that thing and um it was
01:08:18
great and you know open some doors I
01:08:21
couldn't get the animation thing going
01:08:24
um it was going to be too costly right
01:08:26
so I kind of let go of that so no no
01:08:29
regrets about going on that show no no
01:08:31
you enjoyed it so who did who did you
01:08:32
know beforehand you were friends with um
01:08:34
Michelle and I knew Michelle we wer
01:08:38
friends I I basically was friends with
01:08:39
nobody in there we knew each other like
01:08:42
I didn't know Louis I had saw her on TV
01:08:45
I think right um I I knew an I think
01:08:50
just very oh the Champagne Lady very
01:08:52
dist with the cat yeah and I think Julia
01:08:54
I had seen her I think at some point she
01:08:56
was going up with somebody that I knew
01:08:58
but never like friends like just High
01:09:01
you know kind of a thing so I really
01:09:03
didn't you know right and then there was
01:09:06
um Angela the Christ chch lady I didn't
01:09:08
know her at all yeah and that that um
01:09:11
provided one of the most famous uh lines
01:09:13
I think from the series which became
01:09:14
like a meme I think this is even before
01:09:16
the the word meme was I think can you
01:09:18
what was your line do you know what I've
01:09:20
heard about you absolutely nothing is
01:09:21
that the line no not a [ __ ] thing
01:09:23
[Laughter]
01:09:29
it's a great line it's a great line was
01:09:31
that like pre-prepared or no
01:09:33
no no it was not it was an ambush that's
01:09:38
that is Savage that is absolutely Savage
01:09:40
when when you um cut someone down like
01:09:42
that like do you feel a little bit bad
01:09:44
afterwards at any stage
01:09:46
no well she came for it she's sitting
01:09:49
there making of all this rubbish and I'm
01:09:53
like like she's like the word in the
01:09:55
street like word in oh what are you like
01:09:58
the drug dealer in the street but you
01:10:00
know the word in the street who knows
01:10:02
the word in the street so no that was
01:10:04
like no she's all right it was just like
01:10:07
the production trying to push a certain
01:10:09
sh of course yeah um to make the show
01:10:13
watchable basically or you know shock
01:10:16
people and it is basically a formula
01:10:18
there's a very very clear formula into
01:10:21
those all those shows 100% like a
01:10:23
template they follow absolutely yeah um
01:10:25
so I I don't blame her I have no
01:10:28
animosity towards anybody on that show
01:10:30
um it was interesting it was funny I
01:10:33
didn't get hurt by it if anything it was
01:10:36
very entertaining for
01:10:38
myself and so your kids were young at
01:10:41
the time were they were they have you
01:10:43
got a copy of it like online or on DVD
01:10:45
that they'll watch one
01:10:47
day I think they gave us a DVD I don't
01:10:50
have a DVD
01:10:52
player I don't I I don't know where you
01:10:54
can watch it surely there I think they
01:10:56
are still airing them in some countries
01:10:58
right it's probably online somewhere
01:11:00
YouTube maybe um yes you may not want to
01:11:04
answer this but are your kids through
01:11:06
like IVF or I'm living with their dad oh
01:11:10
yeah oh your current partner you you
01:11:11
guys been together a long time yeah
01:11:13
right so so so Jame James didn't want to
01:11:15
have kids so you guys end up going your
01:11:17
separate ways then you met this new fell
01:11:20
right that's cool how old how old are
01:11:21
the kids now um 10 and the other one
01:11:24
just turned eight now right are they
01:11:26
good kids yes very good kids yeah I
01:11:29
think they are good kids they are not
01:11:32
mines but do you have like um living
01:11:36
living help like nannies or staff no
01:11:38
when they were younger because I was
01:11:39
working all the time I was like a
01:11:41
workaholic basically until CET hit um so
01:11:45
I was in the office all the time and
01:11:47
with my our job we kind of entertain
01:11:50
clients Etc you know advertising it's a
01:11:52
very buzzy yeah so this is a company
01:11:54
called aseno that you set up and your
01:11:56
creat I set up Rascals and then we
01:11:59
change it to aseno and then we had some
01:12:02
people that we didn't want to work with
01:12:03
so my partner and I set up another
01:12:05
company which is still going which is
01:12:08
called hello
01:12:09
mhm why uh why did you work so hard you
01:12:12
didn't really need
01:12:14
to because I just like it because I I
01:12:17
just need to be busy and I I I'm one of
01:12:20
those people that has to be very you
01:12:22
know my brain has work otherwise I don't
01:12:25
know what will happen yeah thr problems
01:12:29
at me and I'll sort them yeah and and
01:12:31
then um your next reality TV experience
01:12:34
was dancing with the stars who who was
01:12:36
on your that was the Susie KO season
01:12:38
yeah Susie KO who else can who else was
01:12:40
on that can you remember um who won
01:12:42
David Seymour oh yeah Seymour yeah um
01:12:44
Amanda hates oh Samantha hat oh yeah she
01:12:48
won right she won yeah um and you were
01:12:51
you I had David Sim on the podcast
01:12:53
earlier this year I loved him we talked
01:12:55
in depth about his Dancing with the
01:12:56
Stars experience and a bunch of other
01:12:57
stuff he's a good man yeah so you so you
01:13:00
went on Dancing With the Stars what why
01:13:01
did you go on that did you think you
01:13:03
might enjoy the experience I thought it
01:13:05
was a dancing competition and I never
01:13:07
danced and I was like oh it's a good
01:13:09
Fitness but also it was for charity and
01:13:14
I'm I like I did I didn't even get my
01:13:18
money or my fee I gave that all to
01:13:21
Starship so I was like oh why not you
01:13:23
know it's uh and then I went in there I
01:13:25
was like oh it's too too much politics
01:13:27
and I just hated it put too much
01:13:29
politics in what way uh you know there
01:13:32
was so much going on and I I just didn't
01:13:35
like it and I'm not a great dancer
01:13:36
anyway and I hate competition so it
01:13:38
wasn't just my cup of tea you know yeah
01:13:40
cuz I I I think I think I remember
01:13:43
reading this in interviews or hearing it
01:13:44
from you um on these shows generally no
01:13:47
one wants to be the first voted off but
01:13:49
you were relieved you you were I was you
01:13:51
know I was never going to win yeah
01:13:54
that's you know and I was like oh you
01:13:56
know it's just going it it disrupts your
01:13:59
life basically and I had kids and I
01:14:02
didn't think that it would be as intense
01:14:05
as it was and I wasn't any good at it
01:14:07
anyway you know it wasn't like I had any
01:14:10
and it wasn't really about dancing it
01:14:12
was about popularity more I mean I don't
01:14:14
think David was a great dancer either
01:14:15
but he lasted long or you know your
01:14:17
friend um from rock station um oh r that
01:14:22
was you know so it wasn't like dancing
01:14:26
you know lots of people couldn't dance
01:14:28
very well and lots of good dancers kind
01:14:30
of you know I for example NZ got kicked
01:14:33
off too early she was very good dancer
01:14:35
so it was more about you know how you
01:14:37
once you go in there you're like oh I I
01:14:39
see what it is you know how can I
01:14:41
compete for example in reality with
01:14:44
these people who've got such massive
01:14:46
platforms and people love them they are
01:14:48
these big time
01:14:50
celebrities you know but without people
01:14:53
for for example like me how are they
01:14:54
going to have a show you have to have
01:14:57
some people that you sacrifice and then
01:14:59
you get to your yeah absolutely and I
01:15:00
suppose the sort of people that um are
01:15:02
invested in that show enough to vote um
01:15:05
are the people that would see NZ and go
01:15:07
no I don't like her with her with her
01:15:09
fake boobs don't like Gilda cuz she's a
01:15:12
gold digger or whatever and that's why
01:15:14
you're real boobs but
01:15:17
she's have you what do you have you had
01:15:19
much work done what do you what do you
01:15:22
do in terms of cosmetic surgery no but a
01:15:25
Botox no BOTOX for sure yes but I'm not
01:15:28
a big um say like in saying that like in
01:15:31
in fact it's a good subject to brought
01:15:33
up I've always had like big siiz breasts
01:15:36
and I hate breasts because you can't
01:15:39
wear whatever you always have to wear
01:15:41
like kind of a low otherwise you will
01:15:42
look puffy and I know your ex-wife went
01:15:45
through this J she had a reduction it
01:15:46
was expensive too like 25 Grand or
01:15:48
something yeah so I'm actually looking
01:15:50
at reduction oh you should talk to JJ
01:15:52
about it she swears by
01:15:53
yeah she loves it no regrets about it
01:15:55
all yeah I watched her on Instagram
01:15:57
though and I was like sh but you know
01:15:59
and I was like God it leaves a scar so
01:16:01
I've always been scared of it but after
01:16:03
watching it I was like oh maybe I should
01:16:05
do that and you know as you get older it
01:16:08
just becomes more inconvenience so I
01:16:10
think that I'm going to have that
01:16:11
procedure done yeah oh you should
01:16:13
definitely talk to JJ about it she's got
01:16:14
no regrets about it at all yeah
01:16:16
apparently it's like whoever gets it
01:16:18
they're like why didn't I do it earlier
01:16:21
but you know in high school you have Bo
01:16:23
you're always like hunching and it's
01:16:25
just not a you know just not a thing
01:16:28
yeah so you're um you're 50 now What's
01:16:31
um how's the how's how's the rest of
01:16:32
your life going to look what's the plan
01:16:35
you going to stay in New Zealand would
01:16:37
you ever move back to
01:16:38
Iran was New Zealand home you know
01:16:40
anybody who knows me they will tell you
01:16:43
I I have never ever had a plan in my
01:16:45
life I I just I don't envisage the
01:16:48
future it just whatever happens I'll
01:16:50
just go with the floor I my my brain
01:16:53
hasn't been um I guess uh trained to
01:16:56
think that way considering how volatile
01:17:00
my life was as a child so it was
01:17:02
day-to-day decisions never like a vision
01:17:05
for you know future never knew who I
01:17:07
wanted to be what I wanted to be what
01:17:09
job what subject uh so no I don't have
01:17:12
any plan will I stay in E Zealand I
01:17:15
don't know will I go I don't know
01:17:17
depends on what happens you know yeah I
01:17:21
I don't know I have no specific plan for
01:17:23
or anything I just at the moment I'm um
01:17:26
um kind of just wanting to have a
01:17:28
stability for the kids with their
01:17:30
schooling and stuff yeah that's my
01:17:32
priority yeah I love that what what
01:17:35
about jobs any other careers you want to
01:17:36
do any other
01:17:38
work um I mean you're very like you're
01:17:42
very very smart as I've said a few times
01:17:43
during this chat so I feel like whatever
01:17:44
you wanted to do you could do and I also
01:17:47
feel like because of that you you
01:17:48
potentially get bored at doing something
01:17:49
and need need a new challenge yeah as I
01:17:52
said at the very earlier in the
01:17:54
conversation um I think there is a place
01:17:59
for establishment that holds government
01:18:02
responsible um to what they preach and
01:18:05
promise um and looks over their
01:18:08
expenditure or you know because as
01:18:10
taxpayers we have the right to do that
01:18:12
um and you know like I know numerous
01:18:15
amount of people and occasions where I
01:18:19
bump into people who own businesses and
01:18:22
they're like oh we're going to vote
01:18:23
labor in because you know any Cote we
01:18:26
gave them they never challenged it and
01:18:28
they just paid they don't bark and they
01:18:30
don't try to get better deal they just
01:18:32
throw money away um and I just think
01:18:35
that's such an insult to hardworking
01:18:38
people who go and you know invest their
01:18:41
lives in their jobs and pay their taxes
01:18:44
and then these people are just like
01:18:45
reigning money um and I think that's
01:18:48
just wrong so I I like to kind of move
01:18:52
towards that that direction to try to uh
01:18:55
perhaps get certain amount of people to
01:18:58
step in and try to um you know uh make
01:19:02
sure we are not you know like taxpayers
01:19:06
Union they are monitoring a bit but you
01:19:09
know they don't
01:19:11
really um hold government responsible I
01:19:14
think we need something a
01:19:15
bit better than that yeah absolutely
01:19:18
Kanye what is it where do you want to go
01:19:20
what is it what are you doing he's been
01:19:22
sorry he's been very restless
01:19:25
today hey well this has been fun that
01:19:28
long tongue of yours it is long he
01:19:31
doesn't matter how how tightly you
01:19:33
pierce your lips shut the tongue will
01:19:34
find a way in it is the narrowest tongue
01:19:36
I've ever
01:19:37
seen is this what is this thing what is
01:19:41
that thingy oh my goodness uh he's a I
01:19:45
think he's a good judge of character and
01:19:46
he's always he's always liked you I know
01:19:48
I have picture with him at radio station
01:19:51
him kissing me yeah kiss
01:19:54
kinging loves kissing you oh I love you
01:19:57
buddy yeah thanks for coming over Gilder
01:19:59
and being so generous with your stories
01:20:01
and your experiences would would you
01:20:02
would you call yourself like a proud New
01:20:04
Zealander now yeah yeah I've spend most
01:20:07
of my time life here so you're um
01:20:09
Iranian Iranian uh Iranian is that how
01:20:12
you say it Iranian Iranian and uh kiwi
01:20:15
well I was born in Iran and I'm in New
01:20:18
Zealand I have a New Zealand passport so
01:20:20
you know it's funny you know people
01:20:23
every every time you go out say oh so
01:20:25
where are you from are you visiting how
01:20:27
long are because of my exent it's so
01:20:29
very strong and it kind of makes you
01:20:31
sound like a villain in a Bond movie no
01:20:33
I think I think it's my stubborn
01:20:36
character you know I spoke English when
01:20:39
I was young so when I came here I really
01:20:41
spoke English um as your second second
01:20:44
language so I I've never changed my
01:20:47
accent my accent is still the same as it
01:20:49
was when originally I arrived here and
01:20:53
um I guess that says something about me
01:20:55
stubborn I just don't l no my accent no
01:20:58
I should speak like a kiwi can you
01:21:01
though what does it how does it sound
01:21:03
like when you're try and to I feel like
01:21:04
when you were
01:21:05
doing um was almost like an impression
01:21:08
earlier of James you almost flipped into
01:21:10
a into a voice maybe I subconsciously
01:21:14
maybe maybe yeah but I don't know I I
01:21:17
don't think I can do qvx and if I do it
01:21:19
will be like one of those terrible like
01:21:21
cliches that I Americans would do or
01:21:24
like you got to give it a guy let's hear
01:21:26
it like what just say
01:21:30
something honestly nothing comes to mind
01:21:33
I'm trying hard we need to get some
01:21:35
wines on you for that yeah probably
01:21:37
probably um and um you're you're the
01:21:39
same age as me 50 any regrets any
01:21:41
regrets anything you change anything you
01:21:43
do differently if you had your time over
01:21:50
again no I love that that's cool I think
01:21:54
that's probably a good place to end it
01:21:56
thanks so much for coming over today
01:21:58
thanks M You're great and you know I've
01:22:00
known you for quite a long time and
01:22:01
you're just always so you know I I like
01:22:05
watch your Instagram and you're always
01:22:07
racing and running in this marathons and
01:22:10
I always like and I'm like in my
01:22:13
bed you like energize their battery and
01:22:17
you know it it's really nice because it
01:22:19
gives um some sort of a good
01:22:22
motivational energy and thoughts and you
01:22:25
know to people like me who are not very
01:22:27
active are you not you're not very
01:22:29
active what are you do I used to be like
01:22:31
a freak I used to go to gym like five
01:22:33
times a week I've always done boxing or
01:22:35
kickboxing uh I still do four times a
01:22:38
week but my trainer at the moment he's
01:22:39
been away for five weeks he went to us
01:22:41
he's just back so Monday I'll start back
01:22:43
again but the way you do it I'm not a
01:22:45
cardiio like I can't run to save my life
01:22:48
or maybe it's because of my you know oh
01:22:51
you just touch your boobs then for the
01:22:52
people that listening to this yeah you
01:22:53
should look into getting a getting a
01:22:54
reduction when when yeah when JJ got H
01:22:57
done they um they they took out the
01:22:59
amount they took out was alarmingly
01:23:00
small it was like um maybe 750 gram each
01:23:04
boob and she was like you should take
01:23:05
out more and he's like no you don't want
01:23:07
to look out of proportion you want and
01:23:10
but she she loves them the job that this
01:23:12
guy did was perfect apparently makes
01:23:14
life so probably if you ask me after I
01:23:16
do this then I'll say oh why didn't I
01:23:19
get a whoop job
01:23:20
earlier yeah probably
01:23:23
hey well gild Gilda oh God I'm doing it
01:23:25
again I'm getting all nervous
01:23:28
Gilda what was your name before marriage
01:23:31
sad what does it s right how come you
01:23:35
kept um James's
01:23:37
name because just why change it yeah you
01:23:40
know already stop you know why why
01:23:43
shouldn't I yeah it's just that's me
01:23:46
would would you get married again like
01:23:47
your your your baby daddy and your
01:23:49
current partner uh are you guys just
01:23:51
happy we very happy I mean why you know
01:23:55
kick a horse or what what is that
01:23:57
expression I forgot kick a
01:23:59
horse does I don't know if that's a
01:24:01
saying but it should be why kick a
01:24:04
horse things are going well why Rock the
01:24:08
Boat oh
01:24:10
something but don't don't kick the horse
01:24:12
either all right Gilda hey um I love you
01:24:14
very much and thank you so much for
01:24:15
coming over today and being so generous
01:24:17
with your with your stories um I got a
01:24:18
lot out of it and I hope a lot of other
01:24:20
people did too thank you I'm I'm sure a
01:24:22
lot of people will listen to it and go
01:24:24
to sleep very nicely in the middle of it
01:24:27
but thanks for giving me the chance and
01:24:30
um great to see you
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