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The Power of Maps

November 26, 2012 / 12:06

This episode discusses mapping technology, Niantic Labs, and their products Field Trip and the Niantic Project. It features insights from co-founder John Hanke about the evolution of mapping tools and their impact on exploration.

John Hanke explains how Niantic Labs aims to enhance the mapping experience by integrating historical and cultural information into everyday exploration. He highlights the Field Trip app, which provides users with notifications about significant historical events and locations as they walk through cities.

The conversation touches on the importance of engaging users in real-world experiences, encouraging them to learn about their surroundings. Hanke shares anecdotes about how the app reveals hidden treasures in cities like Philadelphia.

Hanke also discusses the future of mapping technology, including the potential of wearable devices like Google Glass to provide real-time information and personalized experiences. He emphasizes the goal of making mapping tools more intuitive and user-friendly.

Overall, the episode showcases the innovative approach Niantic Labs takes towards mapping and exploration, aiming to connect users with their environment in meaningful ways.

TL;DR

John Hanke discusses Niantic Labs' mapping innovations, including Field Trip and the Niantic Project, enhancing real-world exploration with historical insights.

Episode

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well sure we've worked so hard over the
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last eight years to build the best
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possible mapping tools at Google ranging
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from Google Maps Google Earth satellite
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photography street view underwater
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street view everything you could imagine
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but it occurred to John hanky who's one
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of my co-founders that maybe there's
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some kind of thing to do with a map
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that's like if if a map is encyclopedia
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or a dictionary maybe there's romance
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and mystery and adventure and and drama
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and so he want when he set up a company
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Larry Paige funded him to do that to
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explore what can you do with a map that
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isn't about a map map data to make
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people happy to explore the world get
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outside and walk around to see things
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not do you do at your computer but you
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actually do by experience so that's what
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Niantic Labs is focused on and they have
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two products now the first is called
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field trip the second is called the
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antic project sure field trip is a tool
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that takes the mapping experience at
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Google which we made very rich not just
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a map but you could do a search for
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history or sports or restaurants or
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hotels and we'll show you markers well
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imagine if you were walking on the
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street and there was historic thing that
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had happened say Benjamin Frank Franklin
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created this building or or what
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whatever event and you didn't know that
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well you wouldn't know to search for
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Benjamin Franklin at that spot you
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wouldn't know but we could know using
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your mobile phone where you are and can
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search into a big database of
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interesting things and tell you you know
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this is one of the oldest schools in the
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country established by Benjamin Franklin
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or this building Cornerstone was laid by
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this great person and it could be other
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things like uh if you walk down the
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street in Philadelphia field trip would
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buzz and tell you right around the
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corner that's where Rocky ran up the
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steps the Rocky movie and so maybe you
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didn't know that so we have the places
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of all scenes that were filmed in public
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locations of movies and so you walk by
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them it tells you about them we have
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places of all the historic markers we
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have Historic downtown things if a
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building used to be something different
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we tell you if there's a bank in San
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Francisco if you walk by it it buzzes
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and you open it it says this is the this
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is a different B bank and what it was
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it's the one that Patty Hurst robbed
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with the simones Liberation Army so
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there's history there's news there's
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Sports facts so it's a it's a personal
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Discovery if you imagine if you took all
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the guide books to your city that ever
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were written and cut them all up and
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located them by location and then dish
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them up off your phone just for fun as
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you walk around that's what field triip
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is yes that's an Intrigue that rolls out
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day by day it started the 1st of
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November there's a website called the
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Niantic project.com and if you go there
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you'll see a day-by-day scroll of hints
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and tips about what the project is and
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today's Midway through and so we're
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about halfway through the story but it's
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also a big day because invitations are
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starting to go out for people to
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actually play the the antique product
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and and that's that's uh you know the
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lucky few are getting that and that'll
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roll out more and more over the next few
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hours and days the idea there is that
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this is something where millions or
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maybe tens or hundreds of millions of
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people can engage in something that's
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fun that's an action that involves going
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out into the real world and doing things
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that has a virtual world implications
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the way a game might but also has real
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world implications the way no game ever
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has and so we'll see that play out the
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rest of this month and over the next
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months and hopefully the next year or
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two it's something that would really be
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a joy for literally tens if not hundreds
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of millions of people absolutely if we
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can get people out of their computer
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chair out of their normal everyday
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sedentary life to explore their city and
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learn about it have a great time doing
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it and really make a difference in the
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world doing it we would love to do that
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we give people health and joy of their
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place a sense of specific Pride knowing
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more more about their city but also
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educate them about the Heritage that
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they have all around them they didn't
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know about Mantic itself was named for a
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ship a wedding ship built in in in the
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east coast that sailed around to San
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Francisco because um it was bringing
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miners 49ers to the gold rush they all
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got so excited all the crew deserted the
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ship left the ship with no crew because
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they all wanted to go become gold miners
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this ship got stuck in the mud it it
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ended up being landlocked and they built
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a hotel on top of the ship so there's a
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hull with a hotel sticking up out of the
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top of it over time that's built up even
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more and more and that's right next
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underneath the parking lot next to the
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trans americ pyramid there's a little
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sign that says under this parking lot is
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the bow of the Niantic the ship you know
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and so it's fascinating to know that but
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you would never know that and you
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wouldn't know to look at the sign either
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because it's way in the back so we
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thought all of those little facts people
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should know those in their lives we
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should bring the world to people we
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already solved the problem of taking all
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the people of the world to a map we have
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a billion users of our Maps so a billion
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people there's only a few few more than
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that online a billion people are using
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Google Maps to find out all the
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important facts of their daily life when
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they're searching we want to take the
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other times when they're not searching
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and tell them something great happened
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here and you'd like to know about
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it well we worked with uh the
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Pennsylvania state board of Tourism a
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few years ago to put all the
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Pennsylvania state historical markers in
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Google Earth so everywhere there's a
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marker you could click it put up a sign
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it would tell you this is where this
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battle happened this is the people that
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were involved this is the story of it
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click here to go to the previous battle
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click there to go to the next battle and
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what it worked but what we thought was
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what if we could tell them when they
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weren't looking for famous political
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battle locations what if we could hint
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to people something wonderful marker
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happened here something interesting
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happened here and that's that's the kind
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of thing that we want to expose people
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to and educate them about I met today
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for field trip with one of the companies
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based here in the city that provides the
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content for field trip and they're
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they're so excited to see that it's they
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they explore all the things in
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Philadelphia that are not known kind of
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like the Hidden Treasures of the city
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and they write stories about those and
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those show up in field trip so as you
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walk around the most unknown but
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fascinating things come to light I think
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doing that maybe it could bring business
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to them someday maybe you see a hundred
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wonderful things and they you can click
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to maybe get a personal tour I I don't
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know we haven't really thought about the
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commercialization of it we' thought
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about the uh basically the appeal how we
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make something um like how would Angry
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Birds be fun to play and later on you
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sell Angry Bird toys you know it's first
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it has to be fun don't worry about
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selling something make it fantastic and
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so that's where we are now we're in the
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sort of have the world fall in love and
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have romance with these products we're
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building and they make it worth their
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time and really valuable to them and
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then maybe someday we can find some
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useful way to tell you about things for
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example we could tell you the top
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restaurants if you walk by one of the
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top restaurants you could say I really
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like Swiss food and I I never get a
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chance to have swiss food when I'm here
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but if I if I tell the program that
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maybe it'll tell you when you get near
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Swiss
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restaurants well certainly none of us
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expected the tremendous popular success
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of Google Earth and Google Maps we have
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a billion users now which is a great
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responsibility all we knew is that we
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could make something Magic happen that
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all the pieces were coming into place
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that if we did them all just right like
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enough people in there with instruments
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that we could make a composition and
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Orchestra would be beautiful we we kind
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of imagined it would be beautiful we
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knew we would like it we didn't know
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that a billion people would like it but
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we're not surprised I guess it makes
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sense humans own the Earth more than
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anything else in the world it's our
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planet it's our spaceship through
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through the universe it's our it's our
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all whole race is here and so it's
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natural you'd want to really see what
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Machu Picchu looks like like and you'd
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really want to know where your
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grandmothers were grandparents lived and
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you you all these things they're more
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than just curious facts it's it's it's a
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part of your personal life and so it's
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natural people like that we're pleased
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but we're also humbled and and sort of
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amazed all at the same time it's like
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having an album and you like the music
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and now it's a Hit album and you think
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wow they like it too that's so wonderful
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you know so as far as what's next the
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big change that we had at Google over
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what anybody else had thought about
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before was the idea that a map could be
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a conversation so if you use Google
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search you kind of think not really
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talking to Google but you're kind of
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chatting with Google search saying shoes
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no bigger shoes no furry shoe you know
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you're kind of have this dialogue about
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what you really want and you don't even
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know till you see the choices and you
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finally fig I really want shoes like
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this then you see all the listings of
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the popular ones that's a conversation
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where you guided and all those
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information is available to you well we
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made a map that was a conversation like
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that when you look at something in
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Google Earth or Google Maps you see the
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place you see the roads you see the
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nearby businesses you can find out hours
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of operation you can click to zoom in to
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street view and see the front of the
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store you can get directions you get
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navigation you can you can get reviews
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for restaurants and Zagats so so you're
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really having a conversation with the
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map about places so you anticipate what
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you're going to see have confidence
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about it so so that that idea of the map
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as your partner that you can talk to in
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a sense about your interest and get ever
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better answers the more you talk the
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more you learn
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I think that was a big step over a piece
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of paper or a computer screen where you
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hit north south east and west and slid
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around I think I think
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the the conversational aspect really
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transformed what people think of maps
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that's why it has a billion users
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instead of 100,000 users that was the
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big difference the next step is that
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computers are getting smaller and
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lighter clearly everybody wears one now
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and called a mobile phone
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smartphone those phones one of their
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smartness is is that they know about
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location that's a big part of their
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smartness you you can imagine your phone
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you hit a button and said I need a cab
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all of a sudden a taxi would show up
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because the phone knows where you are
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you don't need to do anything else just
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get a taxi and it pulls up right so it
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would it would make sense that that
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relationship would become more intimate
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as the phone itself becomes more
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personal so we've explored something at
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Google called Google Glass where you
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wear um a little tiny little glasses
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with a little little screen up here and
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you can see the world and we can put
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data to that and so you could imagine
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looking around and seeing the world
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annotated if you did a search for hats
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then you you looked around you see a a
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marker that said you know W maker has
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hats or you know Macy's has hats or you
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know could that is you could have
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searched for something and we could tell
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you where it is or if you want
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directions we could guide you you don't
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have to look at anything it's just your
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your your glasses would guide you uh we
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could explore things like the phone
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knows more and more about you not like
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secret things about you but it knows
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like you like this restaurant not that
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restaurant you like to sit near the
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window not near the or orra or you know
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whatever it is so it it just
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automatically makes things work for you
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if you walk to the theater the tickets
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get bought for you you know this it
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becomes more of a of like a butler or a
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concierge the the role that the
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concierge plays in the hotel who plays
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that at home well our goal would be that
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at home your phone could be your
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concierge anything you want could just
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happen for you you take a phone take a
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picture of the restaurant and say I want
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two party table for two and you get
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there it's waiting for you you know that
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why not we love to do that for you so
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we're making the the the official
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mapping products ever more detailed ever
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more street view ever more accurate but
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also uh ever more intimate so that your
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answers are customized just for you
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Episode Highlights

  • The Niantic Project
    Exploring the intersection of mapping and adventure, Niantic Labs aims to engage users in real-world exploration.
    “What can you do with a map that isn’t about a map?”
    @ 00m 37s
    November 26, 2012
  • Field Trip App
    Field Trip enhances your walking experience by revealing historical and interesting facts about your surroundings.
    “Imagine if you were walking on the street and there was a historic thing that had happened.”
    @ 01m 26s
    November 26, 2012
  • Mapping as a Conversation
    Google Maps transforms user interaction into a dialogue, enhancing the mapping experience.
    “A map could be a conversation.”
    @ 08m 30s
    November 26, 2012

Episode Quotes

  • Imagine if you took all the guide books to your city and cut them up.
    The Power of Maps
  • We want to take the world to people.
    The Power of Maps
  • It’s natural you’d want to really see what Machu Picchu looks like.
    The Power of Maps

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