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we can bring in hey we're going to introduce Steve and Marty right now but I want to say here's some acting tips for you at home if you don't do the
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master class this is a quick one when you're talking and you want to act and you have to say a line like uh hey uh I
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think everyone's gonna go tonight except for Dad you could do it that way but it really helps if you have props you go
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like this hey I think everyone's going tonight except dad
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that's a good one that was very active this one's good too when you're shocked David yeah
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are you telling me my son's gay why are you mad about it I don't know
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and then this one's good I don't know oh no that was such a mutating little
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mother that's my fouchie Steve is the gay one
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but no you can it's funny so Steve Martin one of my all-time favorite of all time uh comics and then
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all the movies he did oh we're just about you know just Bam Bam Bam from The Jerk to this so many
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good ones always solid always humble likes to stay out of the Limelight uh
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out of the main event and Martin Short who's very out there very I think they're a great combo because of that
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yeah an only merged in the building they also do a stand-up tour which I've seen is a home run
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um they even do a joke about me in it it's kind of flattering right oh really man oh funny and uh and I was in the
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audience like what and then everyone's like ah would have burn dude and
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I'm like oh that's funny you know of course I go along with it great guy syndrome
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to uh Steve Martin Martin Short or as I think they should shorten the name just Steve Martin Short because every name is
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there boom um Steve Martin you know and Martin Short I saw them both on television in
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the 70s Martin Short of thought well we look like we're in the same tribe he just voices he's cool I was always in
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awe of him and then of course Steve Martin was a huge influence on me because he wouldn't do jokes it was all
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Rhythm excuse me so I would say it was slightly nervous I can have both of your Heroes on there really and now they are
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perfectly adjoined at the hip at this point of their career and they act as incredible they're such good friends and
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so I would say it was a thrill to have both of them on uh Marty had one of the best years ever on Saturday Night Live
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is hosted a ton and Steve Martin is just a force of nature in comedy in the last
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four years Steve Martin's albums I remember every goddam line and I couldn't help myself I just wanted to say this was funny it's not even
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questions this was good he used to sing and he'd go Grandpa bought a rubber okay so and that
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was his whole Act was just non-security okay and he'd finish planning go this guy is good
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grandpa bottle rubber oh it's a remake
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okay guys here they are we don't waste your time anymore these two uh Geniuses we want to be longer than the actual
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podcast is that it's literally they have the Cadence people keep going okay we have
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to won't not we don't get to the real thing I'll say the guys who's not even
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on this one they keep forgetting all right here they are go go go [Music]
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okay with Greg bye okay Greg off got it let's start with this damn interview yeah here we go
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by the way are we talking about something in particular we're just having fun right
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we're just set we're just having fun and you can guide us into things we'll ask you things and you can always
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answer or change the subject it's it's a conversation pretend we're at orsos
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chatting yeah by the way it's Steve Jobs this idea
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it's not ourselves with an S sorry no I don't I was never invited that's like
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you know Granny Clampett talking going to the cement Pond you know and I thought it was sourceos
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is that Lauren's go-to place in New York still or so right still or so that isn't
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it I would say or so yes yes it's very popular and uh really
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good and fun and you it you you meet we're the elite meet to eat yes wow so
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you're always writing Steve yes I just created that now
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you were there when it happened have you ever been at Orso and saw
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someone and you were Starstruck and afraid to approach them uh Michael Kane I'll just throw out a
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couple thoughts well Michael Kane I know so that doesn't work yeah
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yeah you know you know Regis I know all right dude you know everybody
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knew John Lennon is that true I would not go up no no no no no to John Lennon
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I would not go up to John yeah no I I knew uh I had an evening once with
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George Harrison
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and Steve and I actually know Paul you do well George was always so loud you
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can do a good George Harrison Marty yeah do you do a specific Harrison different from Lennon because they're both kind of
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traveling no I mean I can't do voices I do like three voices I'm not you
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um thank you my heroes uh Steve is a line in our show
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I after I do this impersonation story and Steve says I'll do it I'll do it to
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you I say Marty I have to compliment you because you do something I don't
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no no sometimes you're entertaining no no you
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said I don't do because I don't need to
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when when did the put down Motif come into your relationship and or your act
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because it is really funny um well I noticed uh when I first met
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Marty that he would do it naturally and it was part of his humor and you
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know it's a it's a way of I assume it's a way of saying I love you
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Marty is the master of that by making you feel badly about who you are yeah and and so I kind of got wind of it and
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I liked it because it's it's that old thing that the wall of irony that keeps you from hugging
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yes what is a classy lie you said to Jimmy fallonson like you're the best
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late night show to go to sleep to It's that kind of turn yeah you know well I
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listen I grew up in an Irish Catholic sarcastic family so that was
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the norm you know I grew up in a warm loving family uh Marty who met who first and
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who went up to who first I I briefly met Steve backstage of the
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new show in the middle of a new show and I was going to Catherine Harris
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dressing room who was also in the new show this is Lauren's a prime time mini SNL of 1984 probably
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spin-off and um and I briefly met Steve and he
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was in he you smiled and but you were getting a change you were focused and the next time I met him was I went to
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his house in July of 85 to pick up a script for Three Amigos whoa
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and did you have to audition for him that's what's up exactly just knock on
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the door um I did not audition but I was not the first request you know
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I told Marty uh when I gave him the script I said now here's your script and when
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you when you read it and you come across Rick moranis's name just cross it out
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read it and take the third funniest part that's yours
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is it satisfying to you guys that that movie is has gotten shinier and brighter
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as time's gone on I mean it was it was a hit
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it would flop thinking
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that's what you're thinking okay I confess it bombed horribly I I have to
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say they don't it did fine but it wasn't uh
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like I kept thinking oh this is gonna kill him uh that it didn't kill him and then and
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then about actually about five years ago uh I got a call from Empire magazine in
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uh England it was a movie magazine and I said I said uh I said they said we want
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to put you guys on the cover and I said why and they said because it's the 25th
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anniversary of Three Amigos and it broke even and I thought yeah it finally broken but
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I thought really I didn't even know it was uh you know venerated I guess
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yes oh my God I grew up the unreal unbelievable movie I I don't I don't know how to describe those kinds of
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movies that don't get made anymore but would silly be one of them or more overtly funny I I mean there's something
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about there's something about well Steve and I were talking about this the other day that when we were promoting Three
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Amigos we were on the Today Show and Brian Gumbel said to Steve now what would you say if people say this film is
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just silly
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oh by the way I make six million dollars a movie
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I could buy and sell this place or something like that oh my God Chevy was on this Steve and he was so we loved
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Chevy and you just never know what you're getting and we definitely did not know what we were getting while we were getting it and uh he was saying so many
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funny things I wish we filmed it because he was pretty crazy and he was going after me and Dana the whole time and but
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I thought it was hysterical truly no offense Marty one of the funniest people I ever met you know off
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stage I'm talking off stage funny on stage but off-screen he was hilarious is
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hilarious I mean I can't even tell you the stuff he wants okay here's a Chevy
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story we were at this is 1989 and it's the AFI tribute to
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Gregory Peck and there's all these tables you know and Gregory pack getting
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honored and we're all excited and my wife Nancy and I go with the chase
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and at one point Charlton Heston gets up and says I guess you could say Greg that
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I've been one lucky guy and Chevy without looking up for mistake screams I'll say
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and you know Heston gets thrown and he looks around you know another chubby story is you know Marty
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used to throw an annual Christmas party at his house invite all his friends and the deal was that everybody had to get
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up and do something and sometimes you know people would prepare they wouldn't prepare they'd sing a song and I worked
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on a banjo song for a year all right full Lang Syne as a matter of fact I
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worked on it for a year wow and Chevy was there and I knew he had nothing
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how did you know so you know
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I don't know so I do my thing and whatever and then they call Chevy up
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and he starts off like this he said you have to forgive me and I know he's ad-libbing this
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you have to forgive me I'm a little depressed tonight uh because I lost my entire family
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who would have thought a plane would land on a boat
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[Laughter]
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that's it yeah he he's a trip he was very fun every single
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second was schtick oh of spit takes everything very uh pornographic material
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everything Non-Stop and by the way Steve I gave up on old anxiety about eight
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months in on the what guitar yeah on the banjo On the Banjo I'm kidding Steve
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do detune on banjos because I detune on my guitar or D tuner take the G string
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make it an e that's my latest toy dude banjo's D tuned uh you can play it in D
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you can tune it to D you can play and D you can play in G and I I used to play a
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lot in what they call Double C on the banjo it's a beautiful Mia see a bouncy
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seat Steve I was watching Marty I was watching uh Steve at the Troubadour 1976
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it was on YouTube yesterday and I was doing looking you up of course too much to talk about with you uh one
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of my all-time favorites of course of both you guys and uh you were talking about your banjo and you did a joke where you it's hard to see but you
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spreading your fingers and you're spreading them so far apart and you go I could go with an easy tiny
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pinky chord up here but I'm going for the fullest extension
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so many jokes some of those old stand-ups you do I know we're jumping around but obviously I was in the era of
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listening to your albums back and forth knowing everything I won't bore you with that but knowing every line and it's sort of fun to hear it and not see it I
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never saw you in person uh do stand up when I was in Arizona and then
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seeing that Troubadour was kind of funny because I remember the the albums and hearing you know there's so many change
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UPS so many throwaway jokes gets physical fasts change up again I didn't
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really know now that I know more about stand up I didn't know it was hard to put your finger on why I liked it but then there's so many layers to it and
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it's so smart and thought out it's great well I I think actually because I was kind of physical that the albums worked
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better not seeing what was going on because it made you go what's going on exactly if
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you'd fade away from the mic and go more wine you know or just do things and I'd picture my head what is he doing what's
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going on well if you know if you listen to a Jerry Seinfeld record you can just relax
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listen and be happy and you never have to say what's going on but that that was
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an ERA where it was like they didn't have HBO Comedians and right it was all
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records I think Jerry should do a vinyl album because he has that that voice you
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want to listen to and you'd see him on the cover and the title of the album would be paper clips why
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sorry we had to go there uh you know Steve one thing that's very cool about
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your career is the aesthetic like it seems like the album cover where you're
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it blurry with that rabbit ears on oh right is such a beautiful album I mean
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that picture are you completely controlling all the artwork I uh I loved
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that picture because there's a a mystery uh to it I've used it before
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on the cover of my book too born standing up uh I'll have to think of the uh name uh the photographer's name was
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Bobby Klein he actually traveled with me as a what a photographer
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a man who takes pictures like a companion to oh oh oh
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let's explore this he did acupuncture and uh
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oh we did acupuncture all right oh don't worry about that you might feel a little
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prick well that's what he told me it was that's uh you're that's fine it's
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supposed to hurt like that is it not supposed to hurt
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and um yeah and he took that photo and uh I I don't I can't even describe
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the photo because it is it's almost it's you're I'm there but not there at the same time it's a ghost-like image so
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cool yeah they seem like serious about it rather than being a funny cover all day really all day I just like the
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idea I like the idea which I've never heard of you're there but you're not there at like it kind of blows my mind
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listen you were there at the moment I said it dreamline here's an interesting
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connection for me personally so I see Marty on SCTV completely blown away by his rhythms his
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attitude any the one I really stood out for me because it went on so long Williams in the studio and climbing up
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the ladder and then Steve uh the blue spot bit you know I saw you at the Berkeley Community Center at the
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height of that character you were playing but the blue spot bit had no joke it went on for five minutes it's
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all about commitment and rhythm and I want a comedy competition because I did
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a bit based on Rhythm and I'm sure it was completely influenced by you it's
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called the Blue Spot no I was a single guy what do you do you work do you go to school or what you know I'm in college
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doing this but it's interesting for me that my two favorites now are a comedy
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team at times you know yeah it's sort of well you know it's four years later they are and it makes sense to me because you
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guys just have this I don't know what you call it magic if Marty do you want
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to talk about the blue spot bit or should I just continue talking about it I want to hear about the blue okay good
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well the to me the blue spot bit was just remember remember I keep meaning to
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get to a lot of your work but sometimes you have no idea what I'm talking about
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I love not a clue you're calling it The Blue Spot bit like I'm I'm so excited
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what is it called it's even your world well it's the blue spot bit but it's
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enough oh that's right right it was all about
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the arrogance that's what just made me laugh so much the arrogance of being insulted because you can't get a blue
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spot you're trying to be I'm trying to play a banjo song and I need a blue spot and I can't
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wear it now you're talking to the lighting man yeah in the middle of your show you have to build the anger and
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arrogance very slowly first it's really casual can I get a blue spot could I get a blue spot and then it just
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builds and builds and builds and then you wait don't you go red blue or red doesn't matter do we have that spot
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no uh but but the point is that since I'm on this podcast and kind of talk
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about myself and Marty that that arrogance runs through our comedy I would say yes
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it's a fun angle yes like like um here's a typical joke we do yeah
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which is the same idea where I say to Steve Steve can I just say what an honor it is for me to be standing on the stage
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let me just say standing on a stage next to a man who's a comedian a writer a
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novelist a playwright and a legendary comedian and I say let me say what an honor it is
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for me to be standing next to the man who is standing next to that man
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[Laughter] oh
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[Music] could I just mention on this General topic your titles of your shows because
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I when I hear them I go well that's they're all the greatest titles yeah if
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I'd saved I wouldn't be here I think that was gonna be one that you were going to use Marty for a Broadway show
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that's right yeah uh see us now because you won't later
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or you won't believe what they look like now I mean that's the current
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one was going to be called two for the price of three
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you know I don't always what was it one we did uh uh the Dukes
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of funny town the Dukes of funny town is our next one we think the best show
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in in the town right now at the moment yeah funniest show in town at the moment
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yeah but the Dukes of funny Town you're going to use for the next whatever you're thinking of that yeah will there
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be a song it's a funny town it's so hard to think
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of funny titles you know Steve also no I love the title of your book number one
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is walking and just how inside that is and how funny it is uh they call uh on a
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movie they call the first person the call sheet number one and all day no matter what you're doing
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there's someone next to you going number one is uh 10 100 number one is walking number one's going to this trailer and
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they just trout it's so annoying and it's just so funny to see that explain that what why you chose that and
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whatever because I had an anecdote about it uh and it's that you know the first
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time I did a movie and I heard like the jerk and I'd hear number one is walking I go oh that's so embarrassing that
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number then we'll do that and uh you know then you do your fourth or fifth movie and your number one is walking now
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you're kind of used to it and now you're going wow number one is walking fantastic and then I did a movie with uh
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Meryl Streep and Alec Baldwin and I heard number three is walk
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oh a dagger to the heart oh that was it's complicated right yes which is a
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brilliant that's a movie that you can watch you know over and over again it's a huge
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favor even Marty gives it up on that one but no no no no you got to yeah
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that's just one of those movies that works it just works great complicated as mentioned in the new Kelly Clarkson song
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called I hate love I saw that you do a solo on that when you play banjo yeah
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and it's a really good good record and it's very uh it's one of those lyrics
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that's very direct I hate love and names names and you know
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yeah no metaphors hmm what can I just ask you very quickly
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because I'm just interested like when you write your so-called writing your songs on the banjo is that just from
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fiddling around literally for hours do you record them on an iPhone initially rough drafts or how you doing I'll find
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a little piece by the way I know this is not that you can cut this out because well yeah
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they're not even they're not even recording yeah they've already we stopped 10 minutes ago put it on an
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iPhone you know yeah and once you get going in your into your process no one's
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recording and by the way I'll keep going sometimes I'll do a video of my hands on the deck
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so I can remember how I got to that note or something yeah okay so Marty yeah
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over this side of the zoom do you record things if you think of a bit or something something creative do you
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record it on your phone and keep these memos of ideas yourselves because I I do
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that immediately I send myself emails or texts all day I do the exact same thing
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yeah subject it's hilarious the only problem with parties when he when he sends himself a text I hear him
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he the text comes in and he goes who's this
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early onset dementia is something that happened to anything there's nothing to be ashamed about it no no Martin Short
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is anyone here in menza so what okay these are general questions
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I have what's menza I auditioned for menza yeah Mensa is the Society of
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geniuses Sharon Stone Sharon Stone is in Mensa
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it's based on your IQ and you get in like 140 138 or something like that when
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I hear people with high IQs I go yeah but what have you done lately exactly well at least you hold at least
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you hold no bitterness do you know your IQ I don't I mean I have no idea you only know it if it's
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high I think I just wanted to ask you guys this question I don't have to foreign
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if I'm coming up as a comedian and like there's Richard Pryor and George Carlin
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and there's you guys and Robin Williams and these are big big influences who who
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were like when you were like who was it was it Danny K I don't wanna was it was it Daddy Arbuckle Flip Wilson or was it
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contemporary I used to be able to Danny Kate's face this is his whole Act
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laughs Marty just made a face that looks just like Danny Kaye
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want to go check it because I had a joke and I thought this is going to kill him it was in the in the in the show and it
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didn't work at all and the joke was uh Marty's IQ is off the charts it's that
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low [Laughter] well it's like a joke it's like a joke
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Gene Bayless would have done in 58 somewhere on their cat skills anyway my my biggest influence I'd say
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is Jack Benny but I loved Jerry Lewis I think Marty loved Jerry Lewis yeah and Laurel and
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Hardy I loved and Lenny Bruce I loved
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I was just reading some of his jokes were you an Abbott Costello fan or as
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well uh meets Frank this time as a kid I was because it was just but I wouldn't say that I was influenced by it I would
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listen my favorite was Abbott and Costello in fact I loved Abbott and
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Costello meets Frankenstein so much but my first play that I wrote was called the prehistoric horror
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and it was about a monster that comes back to life and it was just ripped off from uh Avenue meets Frankenstein and
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Jonathan Winters and Jonathan oh right right Jonathan we did a joke in our show that actually is inspired by
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barking with Martin Short because he understands the concept of 60 40. [Laughter]
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well it did because uh uh Abbott when they first got together insisted on taking 60 because he was the bigger star
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and then and then when Costello became the bigger star he got even with him by he was going to take 60 uh I know
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someone who I think Bobby Slayton has the original screenplay or one of the
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original screenplays and apparently he said that it would just say a a and C ad-lib there'd be the lines of the other
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actors and they would you just wonder why certain things pop you know
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um in a movie there was a spontaneity there it kind of made sense to me that I'll do this you do that you come in you
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know I don't know that's well it's so it's so unfortunate like I I think Laurel and Hardy got along well and they
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never had falling out but Abbott and Costello did have a funniest too bad because they had all this timing and
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then they can't see each other off the screen oh they were that yeah but they shouldn't have they shouldn't have gone
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50 50 and then they wouldn't have thought it's always about money it's true do you guys go 50 50. what's the
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breakdown and after tax what do you take per gig yeah um it's a weird compromise
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Steve still has to be on top so he takes 52 to my 48. now it's always 50 50. it
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is it has to be let me ask you a question when you guys are on you're gonna have great shows all
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the time once in a while for all of us we get a tired audience a dead audience it's not really happening do you call
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audibles in your show like let's go to this bit or you just keep smiling and
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the only thing uh we do spontaneously is nothing
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sure show third of the audience gets up to leave not realizing there's an encore
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so we would we would just cut the Encore and wave goodbye yeah that's as Wild and Free as we get
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but that's the only only time that ever happens don't the casino scare you a little bit because I was playing a big
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casino with Dennis Miller and ten minutes before we came out and it was the theater was dead empty
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and Dennis goes Christ sex Carvey are we three dog night now all of a sudden here
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but it was because they were all drinking and then they pour in two minutes to go but Dennis is you know
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he's uh supernaturally funny do a little more Dennis
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competitions all day yes okay okay Carvey you got the big cats on the on
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the Pod huh bringing in the Martin guy Steve Steve Martin Short should be a singular
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name that's how close these cats are all right these guys are looking at you know 12 14
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large each year you know they got a castle in Spain you know the the Lake House North Ontario carving honest to
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God you know I'm just hanging in here boy I'm hanging by a thread crime I got a couple nickels in my pocket but you
00:31:00
know never made the Big Score but it would have been kind of nice I think but you know
00:31:08
when I when we're done I want you to call me and just do that half hour
00:31:15
my IQ goes up or my vocabulary goes up when I do Dennis right you just saw
00:31:21
Dennis and Carolyn I we saw the James Taylor in Santa Barbara Bowl last week
00:31:37
it's fantastic would you shoot your next special there are you going to do tell
00:31:44
another televised special
00:31:50
Duo career uh we would have guests come on our show so we had David Letterman in
00:31:56
Texas who else have we had coming in Conan came on but also Billy
00:32:03
Billy came on in in Santa Barbara Bowl that's what I mean I thought I was getting to and it was so beautiful because you know Billy is all row and
00:32:13
there's a section where we chat and he got up and was planned you know to do some of Sammy Davis Jr which he does
00:32:19
really well and he was silhouette silhouetted against the spotlight and so
00:32:25
I'm seeing this outline the shadow outline and it was just beautiful because he would adopt the posture of
00:32:33
Sammy Davis Jr and you know the head bowed and the hat it was just beautiful the jaw everything yeah and then Marty
00:32:40
got up yeah I don't remember this part of the
00:32:45
story yeah Marty why can't you read more why can't you be more like Billy Crystal I said
00:32:52
that's true or maybe I thought that's what it is no I think you thought it yeah you know Steve uh this is David
00:33:00
um you know I heard that you played the universal Amphitheater in the old days and you had the Blues Brothers open is
00:33:06
that is that hard to follow is that yeah absolutely true so what a show that would be my God and I was in the
00:33:13
audience no way no way wow 1978.
00:33:18
could not be you're good with dates Marty you're really a photographic memory I do I really our Mary Lou Henner
00:33:24
of this Zoom oh yeah I told this joke before but it's true I used to think do I have H Sam
00:33:31
like Mary Lou and then I couldn't remember Hannah
00:33:37
I'm just on the zoom for Zoom candy it's really about Dana I'm just here for this
00:33:43
look at that hair today looks good uh guys you do have a good head of
00:33:48
hair David no yes we'll talk about it we're very haired people
00:33:55
um I had bangs till I was 60. and then I decided to go go back
00:34:02
in the game yeah it said thing of you you can't have bangs Lauren always said
00:34:07
I never went boys so he didn't have to worry about aging out of boyishness but
00:34:13
what is a boyish person do when they're at this kind of age okay I'm way past 60
00:34:19
not quite it's seven decades but I'm creeping up the ladder there you know uh
00:34:24
anyway well Mickey you work with Mickey didn't Mickey try to stay young for a
00:34:30
long time Mickey Rooney I was the number one star in the world
00:34:37
you hear me bang the world sorry that's what he said
00:34:42
every day every 45 minutes down the hallway number one star but uh Mickey
00:34:49
was 62 when I worked with him he had an incredible amount of energy
00:34:54
and he was very very bitter and he lived in 95. so bitterness won't Paul Shaffer
00:35:02
told me that during that show he heard Mickey and the phone screaming to one of his kids you want to do your
00:35:08
own thing you know what I call it your own broke thing
00:35:14
I Know Carl Reiner directed him in one of his later movies and he said I just
00:35:20
hated him it was me me him and Nathan Lane Nathan
00:35:26
Lane's first job my first job and with Mickey Rooney and Scatman cruellers in
00:35:32
Rockefeller Center sixth floor wait a second when did am I confusing
00:35:37
the Paul Schaefer when he worked with him I don't know what he worked with him would have been after one of them it was
00:35:42
a year at the top in the 70s listen a lot of your stories are checking out okay see he got flush he was doing sugar
00:35:49
babies on Broadway getting 50 000 a week and then the TV show they're giving 50
00:35:54
000 a week and he'd been broke for decades so he always carried like five grand with him at least in cash and he'd
00:36:01
put it under my face and go think I can afford lunch that's what I do
00:36:11
when I was doing uh the producers guys who were in that cast had just done
00:36:17
um The Wizard of Oz with Roseanne as the Witch and Mickey as the wizard and they
00:36:25
were on tour and one night Mickey kind of went blank near the end when he's
00:36:30
sending them back to Kansas and he says and you Dorothy and you did me and you scarecrow and you
00:36:38
he looks at the line and just goes the bear
00:36:47
I'm trying to think of a I have a Scatman Crothers story oh good I want to
00:36:52
hear it but I'm trying to think of uh you know when I was a kid I mean I'm 12. and Fats Domino was a a big star what
00:37:00
was this big hit I'm blanking on it it's like uh it's not the twist not to twist not
00:37:07
too no that's Chubby Checker ain't it something
00:37:12
got it there was a record company called tops records t-o-p-p-s and what tops
00:37:19
records did it if it there was a hit they'd go ain't that a shame and you go oh I'm gonna go by and it's so much
00:37:26
cheaper to buy for the the song from tops records and then you take it home and it's Scatman Crothers and that's fat
00:37:32
not Fats Domino so you'd think you'd be buying you know uh don't walk away Renee
00:37:38
buy so and so but it'd be by somebody else that'd all be covers
00:38:04
[Laughter] um no Steve was going to be I was gonna
00:38:10
I was gonna guess toast for Jimmy and Steve was good to come on this summer if
00:38:15
there wasn't a strike yes I see and what what happened with the strike
00:38:21
yeah what's going on well yeah I mean I don't know can you believe it ended quickly
00:38:26
and we have three different endings can you believe it's still going
00:38:33
aren't you glad it ended
00:38:38
[Music] you know I like Dana that at the 40th anniversary that uh hey we all got to be
00:38:44
there but uh I like Steve that you you did King Tut even if it was just quickly
00:38:51
well I look at that I'm so embarrassed oh buy it because you know I I wore my glasses
00:39:00
oh dirty Kingdom but I didn't really get into it so I I sort of put on the outfit
00:39:06
and went like this a little bit but I got my glasses and I thought well maybe it's working at sort of the bad version
00:39:13
rather than really how right how hard on are you on yourself both of you guys in
00:39:20
terms of uh any like I I'll have podcast regret like later tail guys shouldn't
00:39:26
have said that why was I interrupting you know are you guys hard on yourselves uh Hardy loves himself that's that's
00:39:34
what my therapist told me be like Marty I'm more critical uh but I I it's not
00:39:42
that I'm not critical I know we do a good job I don't think that you just kind of yeah I don't know why why I just
00:39:48
need that Marty well I'm I'm just not as hard as myself
00:39:53
you know my tendency is to over prepare for things do the best I can and then
00:40:00
when it doesn't work out I I kind of go well you know I I don't I don't beat myself up I don't
00:40:07
I don't beat myself no I I don't know but we we worry things we we work on we
00:40:13
certainly both work I mean Steve is very conscientious uh and if we do a talk
00:40:18
show he's we're talking about a month in advance you know so uh and and that's why you
00:40:25
know he's well I think we all know when something really works where there's no second
00:40:31
guessing at all like that was a home run and you just want to feel that as much as possible but 80 can be good too I was
00:40:37
gonna about Steve and talk shows fly dini just popped into my head a couple hours ago I said okay that's an
00:40:45
example of who else would do that who would commit to it how did you think of
00:40:50
pulling things out of your crotch on the tonight I'll tell you I'll tell you on it's not too long a story but Carl I was
00:40:57
talking to Carl Reiner one time and he said I just came back from Paris and I saw the Folly Berger show and there was
00:41:04
a comedian who came out and he he the curtains open and he's a little man and
00:41:10
he's standing next to a table with 500 dinner plates on it
00:41:15
and I he said I'm thinking what is this act and so the little man starts singing
00:41:21
not it's hard to do on a podcast he goes
00:41:28
what is this any pictures of a plate and he goes and
00:41:35
breaks it over his head and he goes through the song and breaks the 500 dinner plates over his head that's the
00:41:42
show and and I thought that to me sounds really funny I need five minutes because people would call me and say you know I
00:41:50
just come off this stand-up career that I didn't even do anymore and I didn't have five minutes right so I thought I
00:41:57
thought of flightini because it came from an old magic thing where you know a magician would come out with a top hat and produce a million things from the
00:42:03
top ad and I just said what if it came out of my play we thought of doing it in our show but
00:42:09
the preparation is so elaborate you know I'd have to come in at you know noon
00:42:14
didn't it take you five weeks to prep that oh I did it I went down I took it down
00:42:21
to the Magic Castle the worker then I went to Atlantic City to work in took a
00:42:26
lot of practice before where did you do it ready last week or so of course
00:42:37
but you made you guys made me work hard on panel because it was uh or as people
00:42:43
know talk shows because always funny always solid and I don't
00:42:48
think people realize how much goes into it and so every time I would do it I would at
00:42:54
least really try even if it didn't always work but it is definitely a different muscle yeah you guys
00:43:01
extenuated the art form I mean Charles Grodin also did kind of something very
00:43:07
very unique and extreme oh my God yes you know Bob Einstein too yes yes
00:43:14
um so but YouTube my my fantasy is to go on a talk show and have nothing prepared
00:43:20
because I think I could do it I think I could do it well I'm sure you could it
00:43:26
wouldn't be any good I mean look how good I am right now yeah can you tell that one story about
00:43:33
the thing but no one thinks that it's for no one thinks anything is prepared so when you ask a normal person
00:43:39
I like when you go on Ellen and you were you were talking about uh your car accident I go why do you
00:43:45
think she asked me about my dog and then a car accident and then if I uh saw a bird recently
00:43:51
yeah I always like the it's coincidence yeah I was really good at it you know I think
00:43:57
somebody I kept it it was maybe Jay literally go someone was telling me that you just you know you know yeah like
00:44:05
yeah you're a publicist yeah my public would Carson really say A little birdie
00:44:10
told me is or is that just something that Impressionists made up or did he actually a little birdie told me that
00:44:15
you were you're trying to buy a new car you know but we say A little birdie told me
00:44:21
said that but I don't I don't associate it with that birdie was like Ronald Barry he might have been the one who
00:44:27
said someone told me that you're you know went to France recently that's that's it that's the funniest SNL of all
00:44:35
when you're playing Carson confused and you say to Ed Phil you say to Ed now Ed people say
00:44:43
that that we were once um hotter and more on top of it than we
00:44:49
are and something like that and he says yes peaked in the 70s
00:44:54
yes Phil made uh Phil was just a laugh button as Ed McMahon like I could just
00:45:01
go on as Johnny and just be where you're you're at home watching a television and uh
00:45:06
just uh dust your child there you know we're getting old sir old reference lost
00:45:12
on younger younger viewers yeah because it was some reference to the World War II or something but um what what do you
00:45:19
guys think Carson's you know he's been talked about so much but for you as guests destroying I mean the the Betty
00:45:27
Davis one is famous on YouTube you know so what do you think his thing was and
00:45:33
you knew him too outside I was telling Marty I have an Epitaph for him for his
00:45:38
Tombstone it would say here lies Martin Short and his references no one got
00:45:43
anymore [Laughter] well Betty Dave I run out of him I can't
00:45:50
you can't do Carrie Grant anymore no you can't you yeah you can't do Cloud table
00:45:55
one time uh Paul Letterman's like it was last year and he said he said you know
00:46:01
but Paul and we have a big movie star Paul who do you think is a big movie star and Paul was discombobulated and he
00:46:08
was thinking it was ah Clark Gable and he goes Clark Gable Clark Gable that's
00:46:15
his current as you're going for whose impersonation that you do that is
00:46:20
the newest the kids would get that the new newest you know like I'm
00:46:27
still the only ones you can really do are the political ones Biden and I just have a new Trump where what if Trump
00:46:34
went woke let's hear that you got to be able to say about anybody should be able to say
00:46:41
they're gay I don't care if you're three four years old you say it you say it proud I've got to tell you we're going
00:46:47
to be doing a lot of things we're going to have a very diverse cabinet that I can promise you that I could tell you and we know how to do it and we're going
00:46:54
to do it and they can't stop us that's what they're saying and they know he is just the greatest app not really saying
00:46:59
anything he never runs into a ditch he's always like we're gonna do it we gotta do it and they said we can't but we know
00:47:05
how to do it and many people are doing you're gonna see it soon and you're going to be happy he's an amazing jazz
00:47:12
artist that way it is that kind of New Yorker Regis voice it's Queens it's it's
00:47:17
Regis in Brando and specific but ridges who I just honest to God I just feel
00:47:23
happy when I'm doing impressions because I love it I love being with Regis and when I do
00:47:30
this is you're very nice honest to God you're some of the funniest people America's ever produced there they are the Great Canadian Martin Short who can
00:47:37
beat him and Steve Martin it's just I smile every time I see it
00:47:44
there was such a charm to Regis it's uh oh he was so lovely and we used to go to
00:47:51
dinners if he enjoyed at Fiorello's tell us you know what I
00:47:56
tell them about the the New Year's party you you went to at his house oh no no I was going to a party you're a dinner
00:48:02
party at your house but he was having a New Year's party and so I thought we would get there like five to seven
00:48:09
and the doorbell rings his head doesn't have his jacket on he says you're five minutes early where are you going next
00:48:17
he knew he was just fun and lovely it was just a great great guy and authentic
00:48:26
I saw him on the Joey Bishop show Jesus yes I did it was a television show
00:48:31
and he was Regis and Joey was always putting him down yes always you know
00:48:38
like being snide and REE just showed him Mannix
00:48:47
you know Regis Regis was a crooner you know and so on the Joey Bishop show for whatever reason he got a and sang a
00:48:54
couple songs and someone at some record company gave Regis a deal like we want
00:49:00
to make an album with you Regis so Regis went in to tell Joey Bishop could you believe it that what I do a thing with
00:49:05
me and Regis Regis is telling me the story and said Joey Bishop just said to him that's not that's not true that
00:49:11
never happened no you don't have a record deal just his ego was so sweet yeah
00:49:17
I can't do a joy Joey Bishop no no kidding no kidding yeah and Eddie Bishop
00:49:22
that Marty we should we should have more bitterness yeah
00:49:28
you can work on that well what do you guys wear I refer to you guys a lot as like why well I'm still going because
00:49:35
now I see you guys on top of your game I mean it is kind of cool right I I was
00:49:41
gonna you know the show only murders in the building like this great hit show
00:49:46
all of a sudden and you're touring I mean you're kind of on fire or what what's going on in your age well we were
00:49:52
always touring for a long time but the show is again you know co-created created by Steve you mean the
00:50:01
building but that has only murders in the building a little heat on us but we know heat is uh transitory
00:50:08
that was one of Lauren's big thing the minute you're hot you can feel yourself being less hot I know uh I can I think I
00:50:16
can share this Tom Tom hits his story uh it was like the 80s and he was doing
00:50:23
Letterman as a matter of fact and Tony Randall was on the show too and Tony
00:50:29
Randall came up to him and said you're very hot right now you're very hot and
00:50:37
these tomax is courteous well thank you and Tony said it doesn't last
00:50:44
with a little sing song yeah I I like Tony Randall I liked him a
00:50:51
lot yeah yeah he was a big Letterman guy right Tony Randall Tony Randall should we talk
00:50:58
a little bit about SNL in your guys relationship with it um you know uh Martin Short you I don't
00:51:04
know if we talked about it when you were on but just the sort of all-star year you had with Billy and everybody
00:51:10
it was kind it's a very it's an outlier sort of one year with that cast crushed
00:51:16
it and then dissipated do you um you've been asked about that
00:51:22
I'm sure but it's something we haven't really talked about on this SNL themed podcast well yeah right well we had um
00:51:30
hold on I'm getting Steve's giving you your jokes
00:51:36
no no we had a one-year contract uh Billy and Chris and myself
00:51:42
and Harry uh and maybe Rich Hall Harry sure and we
00:51:49
all have won your contracts and I you know to me I was I still have a pro and con list of doing SNL of why I should do
00:51:57
it why I shouldn't do it you know um but it was an intense year and I always
00:52:04
wish that I'd been committed a little longer so I would have you know because I was treating like
00:52:10
every night every show was a special in how much was I in it and you know
00:52:16
I never really relaxed throughout the year and when you come back and guest house you seem like the most relaxed
00:52:22
person well yeah then then it's just kind of okay and I've done a lot of cameos not where I just show up for the
00:52:29
air show they're always funny oh that's nice wow all the energy goes right to the thing
00:52:37
um so Steve uh uh there's too much to say about you you're in you're 15 hosting or whatever
00:52:46
16. I think it's 16 but you know I I go back to you know 76.
00:52:53
I saw them I think I saw all of them and Alec Baldwin did his 16 hostings or 17
00:52:59
in like two years like he was my third show his first show is my third show so
00:53:06
yeah he was probably 90 was his first one I think Alec Baldwin was great on
00:53:11
the show he does voices that's characters he's funny perfect that's perfect when he came in as a full-blown
00:53:18
movie star you know obviously incredibly handsome and just rehearsing he's talking about
00:53:24
are you talking about me right now this was about David no no no Baldwin oh Alec Baldwin
00:53:30
and and uh no one would have ever said this to me we're just in rehearsal and
00:53:35
go I go well how you doing he's had all these movie offers oh I don't want to do those I want to do this
00:53:40
you know and he was had done a bunch of movies on his path to movies it's so interesting and then he goes on and he's
00:53:46
This brilliant sketch player an incredibly fun that's fantastic yeah that's was the twist it's like oh he
00:53:53
really knows how to do this yeah our last our last hosting Marty and I did well the only time we ever hosted
00:53:58
together really it was the last last Christmas and it was and it went over well we were
00:54:04
very happy with it and the monologue played great and I said to Marty you know Marty uh
00:54:10
you know that was a that was a good it was a hit that was good and they might because it was a hit uh ask us to do it
00:54:18
again next year uh and before wouldn't if that if and when they ask and before you say yes
00:54:24
just remember we worked on our monologue for three years
00:54:32
that's true highest rated show of the Year Dana and I think we read that or
00:54:37
Lauren told us there's I think birdie told me and then and then and then uh Stephen Marty come in and it's like the
00:54:44
highest rated show of the year and then it's that thing where you say so
00:54:50
what have we learned do you guys have favorite Lauren quotes because he's famous on the podcast he's
00:54:57
beloved even cast members who may have had some dysfunction on the show or left
00:55:03
a little early as time goes on love Lauren and really a lot of people wish
00:55:09
they'd stayed longer you know because of just but anyways an enormatic
00:55:15
character he's the one and only Lauren Michaels and you two are two of his very very best friends so what's the inside scoop you know
00:55:22
Lauren I just I I just think of Lauren I remember going to his apartment in May of 84 to discuss
00:55:29
Three Amigos 88. but also um to discuss you know the um the
00:55:37
possibility of what if he went back to S now and what if I also did went back
00:55:43
even though I just and finally I said well Lauren how would I don't understand how would I
00:55:48
do another season at best now and shoot a western and you said it's called
00:55:55
scheduling it's been very very Lauren
00:56:01
God if you'd gone on oh we could have been on the show together Marty if you've been that's true that would have
00:56:06
been Warren has uh you know he he he he he can be effortless with any type of person
00:56:13
whether you're comedians he can be effortless with up big business people
00:56:19
he knows how to get along with them and talk to them I I wouldn't you know
00:56:25
I wouldn't yeah well the qualities that he has that
00:56:30
lends itself to the job that he has is that exactly he has so many gears and he
00:56:36
has an incredibly hard laugh because you would think of him as the
00:56:41
image of being erudite but as a laugher he's like when he laughs it's hard it's
00:56:47
really thrilled to make him laugh too yeah yeah I think of him I think of him as a very
00:56:55
joyful person I do too yeah yeah you yeah I think he loves yeah he loves his
00:57:01
life I mean and it's such a great life and being introduced to it the the house on Long Island his incredible apartment
00:57:08
and you know Paul Simon's your best friend I mean it was just seem like a magic he taught me uh so much about life
00:57:16
I mean I meant like in the 70s late 70s and he'd say hey we're going to Venice
00:57:22
would you like to go you know why but he said well it's a vacation
00:57:28
I said well vacation so anyway I end up going and then uh and I'm and I'm enjoying
00:57:36
myself and then we go to lunch on the canal in Venice and the lunch lasts you know two and a
00:57:42
half hours and I thought I would have never done this in my I would eat in 20 minutes and
00:57:49
be out the door and here this is so much fun just sitting here talking and laughing and he introduced me to
00:57:56
being sociable oh so is it because of Lauren that you're so like really loose now
00:58:04
Mr casual Dan I have a question for these guys uh
00:58:10
uh I know we gotta wrap it up soon but I uh having a blast Steve I have to ask I think I'm guessing you both
00:58:17
were close or new John Candy and in Planes Trains uh you know John Candy's beloved uh
00:58:25
forever and ever uh one of the greats think you'll agree um yeah when Planes Trains does that come written funny and
00:58:31
written for you too or is one of you guys attached the script was fantastic it was written
00:58:39
by John Hughes the theorist mostly he wrote it over a weekend and and when I got the script I think it
00:58:46
was a 152 pages long and a normal script is maybe 110 or 112. so I said to
00:58:54
him God the script's so good John congratulations what are you gonna cut and he said
00:58:59
Pat and the first draft of the film came in at four and a half hours wow but anyway
00:59:06
and then he encouraged John and I to ad-lib and like there's a lot of ad-lib uh scenes like in the motel room we're
00:59:13
kind of giggling and laughing and then some jokes we just made up like um those aren't pillows was made up on the side
00:59:20
that's kind of the that's the line of the big trailer lines yeah yeah those
00:59:26
aren't because he was he was so sweet and we got along so great
00:59:31
in fact we made a deal at some point about three weeks in we said with ad-lib a scene and then they'd have to cover
00:59:37
the ad-libs so a scene that might take an hour was now starting to take three hours and we said we made a deal no more
00:59:43
ad-living We're Not Gonna ad-lib anymore but he would make me laugh so much he would do a a Gladiator movie
00:59:50
uh like an Italian dubbed Gladiator movie where he would he would say the Latin Italian and then his lips would
00:59:57
keep moving like it was done [Laughter] Centurion
01:00:06
and that is the lips yeah now John was John was an angel I
01:00:13
can still see John walk in this door right now that's what a strong and he had a great laugh he loved to laugh
01:00:20
yeah that's good that's good is that the pathos that he in uh Planes
01:00:28
Trains at automobile yeah he really that moment when at the end I mean he's world-class kind of silent film
01:00:35
absolutely uh he was just a great actor there was a scene in the movie that took place at the end that was trimmed down
01:00:43
uh it's where he tells me his wife I want to do with spoilers but it's 40 years later
01:00:50
it's on Amazon you can order it but anyway I was I was you know two feet
01:00:56
across from him I'm doing the off screen and I thought I'm seeing one of the Great Performances I've ever seen
01:01:02
with his speech I got to be there of course yeah that's why I see TV was had such an
01:01:09
All-Star Superstar who was your gang there I mean it was like
01:01:14
Andrea Martin yeah Gene Levy Catherine O'Hara Dave Thomas Joe Flaherty Rick
01:01:21
Moranis damn that's back when you could do a show with only seven people you
01:01:26
don't need 30. that's true before Eugene Levy is now doing a travel show it's
01:01:31
it's really fun yeah is it true that he just never wanted to travel but go ahead
01:01:36
that whole group is astounding you can't believe that it all happened and and every one of the the well the SCTV or
01:01:44
the uh Andrea Martin you know is in our season three
01:01:50
she plays Steve's love interest uh what about Marion how many murders
01:01:56
Marion strobner or who there's someone else who's a guest star murderer uh
01:02:03
streitman Meryl streepman yes yes yes from Out of Africa with Redford yeah yeah yeah no no
01:02:10
so you've got Andrea Martin coming out in season three August 8th only murders in the building Meryl streeplin uh Pete uh rudler Pete
01:02:19
rudler or Paul Paul Rudd okay yeah I'm not good with the names but I
01:02:26
Paul Rudman Tina faithing yeah
01:02:32
Tina yeah Tina Tina face champagne what is I I should know but what is Selena's
01:02:38
last name Gomez Gunther uh
01:02:44
Glickman blickstein oh wait a minute Jiminy click can we can we have five seconds of Jimmy Cliff I
01:02:51
mean that character is awesome all right excited to be with you three who I don't
01:02:56
really recognize I love when he went to the whispering kind of high uh party
01:03:03
yeah when it's incredibly cutting so he couldn't hear anything
01:03:11
[Music] you know the first time at David Spade jumping around was on Johnny Carson I
01:03:18
was on oh that's right that's right he would I would do my first step I mean about his memory it's uncanny you
01:03:25
couldn't I couldn't tell you who I was on with well because I'm more open to people and things Steve uh when Helen Reddy was
01:03:34
that is that it was on with you when I was on Steve it was two months before he quit and uh retired quit and I got my
01:03:44
six minutes together and when I went out there Jim McCauley I've told the story Jimmy Cauley was the
01:03:50
booker I used to you might remember him maybe you didn't deal with him but for us uh new guys and he goes you go out
01:03:56
there you do your jokes there's a little dot you say it and you get the out of there and I go what if Johnny says come over because I
01:04:05
heard something he goes he's not just turn around and come back to me like a puppy right so I go by the way
01:04:12
that was a myth that I think maybe it happened once that Johnny invited somebody over and it got
01:04:18
this legendary thing right that you get invited over or not it was always planned always oh see I didn't know I
01:04:26
would I knew if I was doing panel or not I always knew that so Johnny knew ahead
01:04:31
of time when Drew Carey came over he knew he was going to have him over well well I believe so I mean I'm just
01:04:37
guessing from my experience but it wasn't spontaneous like that because you had to have material well I think yeah I
01:04:43
think you would say here's my act and then you go here's two extra jokes maybe in case you go over like he has
01:04:50
some card that gets to say uh you know yeah I heard you recently bought a new car so uh so that's I I would believe that
01:04:58
uh I I was so new I didn't know anything I just knew that that was the rumor and
01:05:03
then and then you also once you sit down within five seconds you get your own sitcom so I thought oh I guess that's
01:05:09
what you want to do is get blown up so I go up do my stuff and I turned to leave and Johnny's there
01:05:16
with Martin and Ed I think and uh one of you guys said oh he's good and uh and
01:05:22
have him come over and and then I just left and he goes Johnny goes he's too nervous to look over he's not looking
01:05:28
okay well and then I get backstage and Jim McCauley goes what the he wanted you to come over and I know he
01:05:35
told me not to you told me to go back in the curtain I didn't want to get in trouble
01:05:40
then because you're uh you're giving evidence well I think uh Martin was helping
01:05:46
here's how great Johnny Carson was and I'll give an example because I was on with Merv Griffin by the way who was the
01:05:51
loveliest guy in the world sweetheart guy but you know didn't have the comic timing of uh Johnny Carson so I'm a
01:05:59
young comedian and I have one bit where I say uh gee I just uh I bought a new
01:06:05
car uh a 65 Greyhound bus I uh put a new
01:06:11
dog on the side that's kind of it goes on that was going to be my panel yeah so
01:06:16
I he says I hear you bought a new car I said yes I just bought a new car it's a 65 Greyhound bus and he says now why on
01:06:24
Earth would you buy five Greyhound bus
01:06:31
and I'm dead you know I can't say well I put a new dog on the side
01:06:36
you know it's funny when I did my first one I had a carpet Martin what were your
01:06:42
favorite five jokes I did on that set when you were there now when I was there so Steve I said oh I said you you
01:06:49
wouldn't know that it wasn't a joke but it was like you were capturing a whole theme in a group because you kept saying
01:06:55
okay who likes dating that's right Steve I'd say my first joke says I got a new
01:07:02
car it's not really new it's an old UPS truck I got it so I can park wherever I want that wasn't bad for being very new
01:07:09
and I think I did it and Johnny told me later it was a real rib tickler
01:07:15
a ridiculous no he didn't but when he came backstage afterwards he knocked on my door to say
01:07:22
good job or something and I had my shirt off I was so scared you know I was changing and then I had Pepto-Bismol man and he
01:07:29
said Pepto-Bismol uh I I don't touch the stuff anymore he said some joke about it
01:07:35
and then uh he walked away but very nice to come back and say good job and uh
01:07:42
yeah that is nice this is Johnny didn't Johnny have a double blink and a double
01:07:47
pencil tap as also an affirmation you know they cut him after the community do
01:07:52
a double blink with his eyes and tap a couple times I don't know maybe I watched too much it sounds funny maybe
01:07:59
Christ thanks carving one of you let's like the zap gruder film there looking at it
01:08:06
okay you know um so you guys what's uh early on what
01:08:11
was the best compliment you ever got because I got a great compliment from Steve at one point and then a really
01:08:18
nice email from Marty um that I I was meant a lot to me what
01:08:25
did I say you yes I remember very specifically uh I was just ran into the
01:08:30
hall I had been doing Regis for a while and you just stopped me and you said yeah you're Regis it's like at a genius
01:08:36
level or something something very very nice so I never forgot that and Marty it
01:08:41
was such a kind man you forgot it after the 40th uh the Wayne and guard sketch went
01:08:47
really well and he just sent me a very nice no note about that so you remember those things so I just wonder you guys
01:08:54
at what various times your career someone like I found out once as an example that Gene Kelly was a huge fan
01:09:02
of mine when I was doing George Bush Senior that was weird so you guys must have had stuff like that like I had one
01:09:09
I had one that's it's oblique but I was doing The Tonight Show very early on it's like 1973 something like that
01:09:17
and I'm in the makeup chair and uh the makeup you know in those days
01:09:22
your makeup was like uh inch yeah it's crazy analog television adjusting your
01:09:28
area so the makeup I said
01:09:34
uh Jack Binney likes you and I said what wow how do you know that
01:09:42
he says well he mentioned he was here in the chair last week and he mentioned you I said how does he even know who I am
01:09:48
because I just really haven't been around but it was a real uh compliment about me really wow that's surreal
01:09:54
because he's my you know my hero what was it it just his timing and his um oh
01:10:02
his rhythm I mean he's brilliant yeah I I mean I don't even know what that is I
01:10:08
don't know not just his jokes even if you listen to his old radio show the jokes are still so funny
01:10:14
I mean I try to repeat them and they don't land but I mean wow I won't uh go
01:10:20
into it don't do it Steve please and they'll just cut it up I know they will I heard he was the
01:10:26
least jealous comedian like if someone was killing Jack would be isn't he great
01:10:31
isn't he well that was important that he everybody on his show was really funny from Mel Blanc to Dennis day
01:10:39
and he I think he I always read he understood that it's his show so if
01:10:44
somebody else is getting last that's fine yeah
01:10:49
Marty did you ever have did you ever meet well you must have run into Jerry I met uh no I met um well I met Elizabeth
01:10:56
Taylor who said oh I'm a big Clifford freak
01:11:04
Ed Clifford the 10 year old boy yeah and then I when I was introduced to
01:11:12
Sinatra by Dinah Shore oh boy now Paul Shaffer maintains I made this up
01:11:17
I've made this up but I didn't all right but um he's Paul says he doesn't speak
01:11:22
in Guys and Dolls speak you're making this up but what Frank when I I said uh
01:11:28
dinosaur said this is Marta journey I know well of you when you're marvelous
01:11:34
I know well of you Paul isn't buying oh marvelous has never used enough anymore I'm gonna try to start using I know well
01:11:41
of you that's out of Guys and Dolls
01:11:49
Steve can you tell still do a balloon animal oh I can't I can't even blow them up you don't even know how it is to blow
01:11:56
up one of those balloons it is hard it takes when I was doing it you know it I
01:12:01
finally after night after night I could blow them up but they're is that why they stretch them like that while they're talking
01:12:06
it's a talent go ahead what when they're talking at the balloon you kind of stretch it while you're talking getting
01:12:12
ready for the trick is that I would do that but you know that's not enough you need blood I couldn't even if we had to
01:12:18
do it today it said they'd love to see the blue now I go I can't what about Happy Feet can you still do Happy Feet
01:12:25
you know can you do content feet I could
01:12:30
[Laughter]
01:12:36
so like oh yeah yeah you guys go crazy at the end of the show physically clap a
01:12:43
little yeah so um all right Dane anything else we gotta let these guys go they got a heart out
01:12:50
well I was too bad it was at 10 minutes if David and I hired hired you guys to
01:12:56
write us a Duo act yeah what are we talking about if we a full hour act with
01:13:02
me and David and you ride it for us what are we talking uh three million well we
01:13:09
want we want some hits but we don't want to belabor it as like uh last tour show so you can do some
01:13:18
hits we want um David doesn't have to be that heavy in it
01:13:23
Zoom candy I I
01:13:29
get the reverse I I thinking we should call John Mulaney and tell him that his his latest special
01:13:37
was really bad that convinced him to write for us is writing for himself is over so why
01:13:44
don't you transfer all that talent to us yeah it's a cruel thing to do but it was
01:13:51
cool it helps but you guys should write for us we need we need you you're a young Outlook oh yeah so when you guys
01:13:58
go on the road do you how do you get in and out of the theater in the hotel without people uh wanting you to sign
01:14:05
specific plastic things do at the show
01:14:14
with Marty I love traveling traveling around with Marty Short no paparazzi
01:14:22
now there's always a few people but sometimes we sign it sometimes we're in a hurry you know sometimes we wave yeah
01:14:28
hi how are you doing they love waves uh they love waves in lieu of signing and
01:14:34
making their picture worth 700 you know when I followed you guys on the
01:14:40
road somewhere I think it was San Antonio we we did some whatever overlaps
01:14:45
but it does get me tired you guys get tired of the road it is hard even if you have it easy it's still hard you know we
01:14:52
I think the most we've done is four shows in a row well also there's some of
01:14:57
us if I were alone I I couldn't connect that there's two of us
01:15:04
you know it makes it easier he's on stage sometimes I'm on stage he does 20 minutes on his own I do 20 minutes on my
01:15:11
own oh is it yeah and we have each other to bounce off and commiserate with
01:15:16
and if it goes badly it's a joke you don't take it so when you go back you you start normally Marty and then you go
01:15:24
back how do you stay kind of ready backstage yeah 20 minutes
01:15:29
um no uh well Steve does the first five minutes then I'd come back and then yeah and then he leaves and I do another 20.
01:15:37
you're changing outfits at clothes and I'll stay and I'm just sitting with my banjo trying to warm up without annoying
01:15:44
you yeah but two does uh help the energy it is a
01:15:52
solo for an hour and a half is it's unbelievable having a partner um
01:15:58
so Steve you've been very busy you have a new audiobook with Adam gopnick another funny title
01:16:06
yeah so the uh it was a uh a year of uh we chatted talk you know and then it was
01:16:13
edited down to like four hours something like that half hours that thing
01:16:19
and uh Adam got Nixon is a an old friend a highly skilled writer about so many
01:16:27
things and intellectual really uh but with a a Charming gift in his
01:16:33
writing and so we just you know didn't I gotta call
01:16:38
um from uh I want to say it's not patreon it's uh sorry Pushkin
01:16:44
sorry yeah Pushkin with Malcolm Gladwell and and uh so would you like to do this audiobook and I said yeah that sounds
01:16:51
like fun you know uh so it's so many
01:16:57
in a way because of Show Business and uh Ai and the web and everything that you're busier in some ways or as busy as
01:17:03
anybody in Show Business wants to be if they have a little bit of Leverage because you can do audio books you can do podcasting you could do that's true
01:17:10
yeah it's insane the amount of dispensaries for I mean so how many
01:17:16
things are you doing Marty you're doing only murders in the building
01:17:21
uh shows and solo shows and touring well of course and of course who will ever
01:17:28
forget my Lumiere and Beauty and the Beast this year oh that's beyond that nothing
01:17:35
to go downstairs are we I have to leave we only have one
01:17:41
more we only have one more question what is the meaning of life Steve yeah that's so easy
01:17:47
no anyway well it's a movie I'm Steve uh there's a documentary on
01:17:55
Steve on Apple TV later this year yeah gotta see that well you guys it's
01:18:01
that time of life the documentary Time Time of Your Life
01:18:07
anyway well I just want to say that's been a thrill and thank you both for coming on our podcast thank you we love
01:18:13
your podcast it's hysterical three of my favorites too long I really have it's
01:18:19
just a joy to watch the young kids it's like having and I mean this with love it's like having Siegfried and Roy back
01:18:33
we'll see you around campus enjoy yourself guys bye guys [Music]
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