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Sebastian Maniscolo. Did I say that name right there? You did pretty good. Yeah. Maniscolo.
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I like to buy a vowel. I'd like to buy a vowel. Yeah. It was so much fun to have him on because he's one of those people I had
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to say in the last 10 years when you're just kind of channel surfing on on these streaming and I saw a special and I
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stuck with it all the way through because it was new, you know, the physicality and the rhythm of all that
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stuff. So, he is very softspoken and really humble. the jerkiness, the uh
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also how he can go really low on a joke and not scream it, you know, it's kind of cool.
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And the actouts that he does all over the stage, the physical actouts and we talk about that and an injury that he
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got based on, you know, he's doing all this stuff and boom, it's blew out a cal or something. Even on Tik Tok, he's like
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uh he walks around like his kids soccer game and he goes, "They're taking a
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break for a snack." What? In the middle
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of the game? What? What? What are we doing? So funny. He does this exact act
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cadence, but in real life situations. That's funny. He's like the Italian dad in real life.
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We're looking around for those kind of scenarios are funny. My key to him is always the bit he did by the pool at
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some hotel and a guy comes down and he goes he starts clipping his toenails
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right on the pool deck and then he's got bandages
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on his toes from the bleeding bandages and he jumps in the pool. I got to swim
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with the bleeding bandage. I mean, but he is really next level funny to me. Um,
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people rehearsing for a wedding reception. It's seven weeks in some guy's basement.
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They got the bye-bye baby. What? What? Huh? I can't get six guys to go to
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dinner if I give him a year notice now. I got rehearsed. What? What?
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It's all What? What's going on? He's incredulous. He's the incredulous every
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man, you know. [ __ ] funny. Yeah. So anyway, it was really fun talking to him and we break down his
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artistry and his path to stardom. Uh plays big theaters, lots of specials,
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lots to talk about, very successful and a lot of great acting jobs. Sebastian, the one and only.
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I was shocked that you guys, you and Pete have done 628 episodes. Just the
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fortitude of that. Is that true? Not many. It's said episode 628.
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Yeah. Haven't uh haven't made a dime. It's coming. Our guys tell us it's
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coming right around the corner. Just patience, man. I mean, you know. Oh, you got into this for money?
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No, I I actually didn't. And we just started doing basically a phone call. Uh
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he's lives in Fredonia. I live in Los Angeles. And we're like, you know what? we have such a great time talking to one
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another. Let's just record it and we'll put it out there as a podcast and we we did it once a week for now going on 12
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years and uh you know we we just have fun doing it. It's not it's not obvious.
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Wait a minute. Do you do you read ads? Do you read ads? Yeah. Now you do. You read and still making nothing. I
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mean we got you got MasterClass. You got What do you got? You got
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Zak. You guys got Zach back? We've been there. We dated for a while, then we broke up. We got
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Yeah, we sort of just they ghosted us. Blue Nile, right? Blue Nile is our biggest one.
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Yeah, Blue Nile's good. That's a big one. We got Diamonds. Yeah. So, you got the original wife. Original
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wife meaning pre I never even heard of this situation. I used my wife's so attractive that people
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thought she'd be the second wife after I got some fame and money. I go, "No, original wife." Like, "Oh, okay." But
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you had done one special, but you weren't Sebastian at that point, right? And you met 2009.
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Yeah. Yeah, we went in 2009. Uh I had I was just coming off actually uh yeah I
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was just coming off a special two years earlier and then yeah
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I was just you know knocking around comedy clubs. She would come with me Addison Beltline Road and improv and you
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know it was uh we kind of came up together in the comedy world. Uh, obviously I was doing comedy prior to
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meeting her, but like you know when I started making a living doing it, she was kind of right there with me.
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Let me ask you this. This is usually the evolution of a girlfriend who might become a wife, but okay, early on she's
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up close. Maybe not the first row, but right up there. Little few weeks later, she's heard a lot. She's in the middle
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of the crowd kind of hanging out. Then she's sort of standing in the back. Eventually, she's in the dressing room
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for Mosa's show and asking you how it went and then she stops coming.
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That's everyone I know. That's every single They're really excited. Then they see how the rabbit
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gets out of the hat. Yeah. They're going, "Oh, I see all these." But anyway, no, you're right. It's just It's a basic
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evolution out of the building. Uh yeah, call me after. What about Did you
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say Addison improv? Is that Dallas? Yeah, that's Dallas. And it's right by a freeway. Is that what you're talking about?
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Yeah, it's right. It's It's the most populated um restaurants per square
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mile, I think, in the country on Beltline Road in Dallas. I played the Dallas I I played the old
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Dallas improv that was on Central and Walnut. And then they opened Addison. That's old I am. And then I started
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playing that one. And uh Okay, I Dana, go ahead. Spellbinders in Houston. Anyone?
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Bill Hicks was my dandy little opener. I was I was temperamental in those days. I
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got a hold of his caller and said, "You ain't going nowhere, kid." Oh, good. I lost it. No, he was brilliant.
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Brilliant. Then all to the way So I There's another stat of yours. I just have to ask you because it's
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extraordinary. Extraord from from where you are now. The math that I did on your Wikipedia
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page says you were still waitering potentially at age 32. Yeah. Uh I
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Okay, that's extraordinary. I was waiting tables. Yeah. Around 31, I quit the Four Seasons Hotel right here
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in Beverly Hills. So I I was there for seven years in the Windows lounge delivering chicken sat to every
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celebrity in town. Oh, I love it. I love it. I uh I would do comedy during my break.
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I would run to the the comedy store, do a set, come back, pick up my table. So yeah, I I was uh early 30s. schle and
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drink. Don't you think? I mean, you know, when you make it and then you went on and then you you're at this
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apex. I mean, it's extraordinary. Welld deserved, too. So, you don't you think it's better to make it later? I mean,
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are you still kind of used to it? It's only been about 12 years since you went super
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supernova, I guess. In the context of your life, it's still kind of new in a way, or are you kind of
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acclimatized to the numbers? Yeah. What what arena? What? How big is the
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arena? It's arena size. Come on, Sebastian. You know, go ahead. No. Uh, you know, I I'm glad it kind of
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all happened the way it happened. Um, I just, you know, lot I I had a slow burn.
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You know, I didn't get a TV show or a movie or anything like that that kind of catapulted me into standup comedy in a
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way where I could draw a crowd. So, I just did it, you know, kind of slow burn
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and uh yeah, I mean, listen, I I I grew up in a workingass, middle class family
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and uh you know, we've always kind of had to work, you know, my my dad always
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says the manoscal family, nothing comes easy. We always got to kind of be patient, put our time in.
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Did he actually say the manoscal? cuz I can't imagine my dad saying the coffees will always I mean that's just very
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Italian or Sicilian or something, right? Yeah. It's it's very it's very uh it's very Sicilian like um we always got to
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you know wait our turn basically. No one bumps us to the the head of the line, you know, we're uh I I still have that
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type of career too though. I mean I have a fan base obviously they come and see me but like for example I went to the
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Bulls game uh in my hometown of Chicago last week, right? Simone Biles sitting
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there with her husband Jonathan Owens and you know they put you up on the on
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the jumbotron. So they tell me we're putting Simone Biles up, right? She goes
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up there. You would have thought Michael Jordan walked in. Oh my god. You got to follow her. And then me who I I just I'm doing two
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sellout shows the the Friday and Saturday right after that. I didn't even know they announced my name. It was
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almost as if a guy came out to shoot free throws during the
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That's the response I got in my hometown. So, it's like I'm still like just on the fringe of
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like quote unquote celebrity or fame. Yeah. You know, there's fun things.
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There's there's interesting facts that uh like Dane has probably been more famous in his life than he hasn't been.
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So that's that's probably a weird feeling because you always remember more that you weren't, but he's had such a
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run. And then Arty Lang, who I think you guys all know, Arty Lang told me the weirdest he felt was when he made more
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than his dad. It was such a weird feeling for him that what he does, which is so feeling
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so trivial, and then he goes, "Wow, my dad's such a [ __ ] hard worker." And he goes, "I honestly had to go to
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therapy. I didn't know how to deal with that." Isn't that crazy? But I I I get it. My dad was a high school teacher. So,
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Sebastian, your dad, was he somebody making six figures or 50k or
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Yeah, he's a he's a hair he owned hair salons. So, he was a hairdresser, but you know, never, you know, never had a a franchise of
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hair salons. Just a few throughout his career. Not not making a a fantastic living, but not, you know, we we went on
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one vacation. We had two cars. We lived in a nice home. never struggled for money. But yeah, I think it is kind of
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weird to get used to. I never really even thought about making more than my father. That never really even crossed
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my mind as far as like it's it's never been like you're making what more money. It the relationship is such is like that
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that he's the star, right? Sure. And and I'm I'm I'm hanging on to his coattail.
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That's all. But also, I grew up not know, you know, my dad was kind of in and out of my life, but never even knew
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how much anybody made. It didn't even cross your mind. You just, you know, you had a place to live hopefully and some
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food and it but I didn't know numbers. I didn't know. Who knew? Yeah. You know, so you just That's your dad
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and he's the main guy in your life cuz he's your dad, but it's a weird feeling to get
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I mean I there's times I feel obviously overpaid for things and you go just a weird feeling.
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You never get you never get used to it. I don't care. I mean cuz I had the same kind of thing. Five kids, high school, you know, two day old baked goods. Not
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one day, but two day. My mom would go old County Road, never had a new car,
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but we were we were super happy, man. We got a colored TV in 1965. We had an antenna. We couldn't really see
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anything, but it was colorful. Antana. But I think I asked my wife, and
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I don't know who you would ask, but I always once in a while I'll ask her. In 1979 when I met her, I was in college
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just trying to do little open mics. Robin Williams was creeping around making everyone feel like why am I even
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doing this? And I said, did I ever say I wanted to be rich and famous ever? Nope.
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That was never the goal. It was to become a middle act. And then to become a headliner.
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I was just middle. So yeah, David. Yeah. Go ahead. Speak to that.
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Yeah. I I don't think that I don't think the the people that have talent and and are in this just for the sheer joy of
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making people laugh are ever looking for fame and fortune in in that way. I mean,
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obviously there's some outliers, but you know, in a day and age now where everybody wants to be famous for I don't
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know what. I mean, you know, I feel like we're kind of like the last of the Moheakans in the sense of where we
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actually had to work going to the club, working on the act, the timing, the
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nuance, the heckling or whatever it is. But now, apparently, you turn your
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camera on and you eat a meatball and you'd say you tell people how good it is and all of a sudden, you know, you're uh
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you're just as famous as the guy. That's so demoralizing for the young people because I talked to some talent
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managers a while back and I asked them, "Does talent matter?" And they said, "No, no." They think in a long career it
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does, but no, no, no, no. There's a kid who open, he's handsome, he opens up jars of pickles. He does seven figures.
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So, what do you do with that? The impressing, if your kid goes, "Oh my god, the the guy that drinks pickle
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juice follows you." That's like the biggest victory of your life. You're like, "Everyone was good when I grew up.
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Don Rickles was good. Carson was good. Frank Sinatra, I mean, all great." But
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yeah, that that's so distortive. So, uh I don't want to go to my disc. Go ahead.
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One second. You since you've been around entertainment for quite some time, have you guys ever run across a Sinatra? Do
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you have like a Sinatra story? Did he ever come in? I have a I have a weird one. It's a
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little dark, but So, it's n This is a cigar metaphor. Sit back. It's No, it's
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You're not going to see what's coming. So, it's 1998. I'm getting a stent in my artery at Cedar Sinai, which you know,
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it happens. I'm fine. Don't worry. So, I'm there. I'm just in the, you know, I'm on the ward in my room reading a
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magazine and and there's this hubbub and uh, "Hey, what's going on out there?" He goes, "Sinatra just checked in, you
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know, and uh, they put him in the room next to me." And so, I was just listening. I heard under my breath.
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No, he didn't want. But anyway, he passed away that night. Uh, it was May
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8th or 10th, 1998. Not in my arms, but Yeah. In my arms. Did you go in there and
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cuddle him? Uh, I wanted to, man. I I I became an Army issue hyper fan at age 40. Before
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that, I didn't get it. And then when I got it, I really got it, you know. But I did ask the cardiologists there, world
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class. I go, "What was what was Frank Sinatra like as a patient?" And they were Indian. They're brill they're still
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friends of mine. and they go, "Oh, he was he was it was very tough." You know, because you give him the thing to blow
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in and see what your lungs are. Hey, get back, doc. Ain't going to I'm going to blow this further than anybody's ever
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blown these bubbles in the [ __ ] life, you know. So, I don't know. Do you have a SN story, David? Or you, Sebastian?
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That's mine. No. No. I never I never ran across one. Was your dad a super fan? Cuz
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or No. I mean, I mean, we listened to him, but it wasn't like, you know, uh, you know, we didn't have a picture of him on
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the wall at the house. It was uh he he was he was, you know, played on
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Saturday mornings while I was doing uh vacuuming. I remember uh I had to do chores on Saturday. My
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mother would play him around the house. But uh yeah, I don't know. I just find them fascinating. Like I just I don't know like the the old school type of
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guy. It's fun kind of. Well, the rap pack at the Sands, the live album
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is is magical, you know, and John Love it told me John Love it,
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plays it in before he goes on every night when he does clubs, he plays that
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to get that vibe of Sinatra and Dean Martin and that that the coolness of that. But can I ask you a question
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because I'm just sort of curious just to put a picture on your childhood, you know, working class. How many siblings
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did you have? I have a sister younger about five years. And so what were I
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like asking people these questions TV show or movie that floated your boat
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as you know in the formative years 8 10 11 12 toy or bicycle you had that you'll
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never forget or musical act that you blew your mind coming up you have five
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seconds it was threest company was my company
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my John Ritter is magic did you ever meet John Ritter ever met John Ritter but heavily
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influenced uh by my physical comedy with John Ritter.
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Uh a bike or do you say a a toy? Toy a He-Man. I grew up in the He-Man
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era. So I not Stretch Armstrong. Not Stretch. He-Man was a big a big
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He-Man doll. I I used to play football like with my He-Man dolls. So it was like,
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you know, like we might have gone too far He-Man for five yards. Um, and then uh
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uh an entertainer would would be Michael Jackson growing up was was my vibe.
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Can I tell you my Michael Jackson story? Is it the Holiday Inn? Yeah. I worked at the Holiday Inn and I
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was a bus boy waiter and the Jackson 5 came in and I would go and and wait on
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them. You know, there was Tito and Marlin. And I I went in Michael's room before the show, he ordered raw carrots.
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And Janet, I believe, as a little girl, was jumping up and down on the bed, and he would sit and look at the mirror in
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the room. I give him the raw carrots. And I felt bad later on because I know I said, "You're a good-look kid, but you
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can maybe do a little something." And I I just backed off and left. But damn, that set off a whole thing with
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him. I know. But I did wait on Rh because we were near the Circle Star Theater up in
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the Bay Area. It was a 3,000 in the round. So I waited on Richard Prior, George Carlin, Rich Little. I did room
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service to Little Richard. He answers the door completely naked.
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God. And anyway, that's that part. That's another podcast. Can I ask you a little
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bit about um your your process? Yeah. Because
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once in a while I'd sit down on Netflix and I'd watch specials, okay? And I usually last 15 minutes with David.
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Well, I I like I said, I last about 15 minutes, though, David, I go longer. But
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so I'm going through I never I didn't know a thing about you. Never saw you. And it was the one with the um Subway
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sandwich in the Cinno bun. And I watched it all the way through and I said, "Holy [ __ ]
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this is new. This is familiar but completely brand new." It kind of I used to have gotten this from people over the
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years right when they first because the physicality and the musicality together
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was so potent to me. And the physicality is it's not just all this, it's also
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just your head. I mean, it's like and then the rhythms. Yeah.
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You know, the way you say people paper like you're so exasperated. The
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guy's over by the pool clip in his toenail. I mean, it's so hypnotic and I love it
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and I've recommended that special and others to our business manager loves you. And two things, one, so then I went
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I said I showed you to my kids. I said, "Oh, this guy, you know, Sebastian." Then I said, "Let's find out where he
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was." So I watched you on Craig Ferguson doing standup and it was all there but
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it wasn't 2.0. It wasn't extrapolated but everything was there. So the
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confidence leap was huge. So you have people tell you this, right? I mean it's
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it's so potent. No one else is doing that even to this day your style. I just
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I just really appreciate it. And do you pull muscles? Do you get hurt on stage? because Jim Brewer does.
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Okay, that's all I got to say. No, it was very very sweet of you. I I appreciate the cut. I like the way you
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put it uh describing kind of what happens up there. Um
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physicality and musicality. Yeah, I never really heard it put that way, but
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um yeah, for me as far as uh I I I did comedy so much just to just to get good
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at it and familiar and you know, talk about the confidence, you know. I I noticed when I started moving a lot,
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people like enjoyed that and it was a bit of a surprise because maybe you wouldn't suspect it coming from a guy
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like I was just kind of up there. I was kind of dressed nice and then I would do a whatever and then I'm like, "Oh, wow.
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I'm getting some response here with the movement." And then I guess what happens in standup comedy, you just become
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uh you try to get as comfortable as you are just talking like with your family.
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So that's kind of how I equated it to cuz they would look at me on stage and go, "You're much funnier when you talk
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to us, you know." And I was like, "Well, you know, I got to get used to this. It's something that it's very new to
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me." And uh and yeah, for me it's just basically storytelling. And the actouts
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are are kind of u just they're they're not practiced. It's just like I'm going
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to go to the comedy store tonight and I'm going to tell a story that happened to me and how I tell the story happens
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to come with a a head bob or that just being shocked. The one I I
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don't know which special it was, but people just randomly ringing the doorbell. The act out on that was just
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huge. I mean, you're going in different rooms lying down. It was like a whole military operation.
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So, I call it funny with the sound off. And there's nothing more potent than if you look at I Love Lucy or Peter Sellers
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where there's first of all, there's not one joke in your act verbally, but also that the actouts allow the audience to
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laugh crazy hard because they're not they don't have to listen right at that moment. So, then they're free. And so I I just
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it's a style that I just love it. I think it's kind of a style that when I saw it at the store, I think I first saw
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it uh Sebastian just leaving, you know, you do a set and you're leaving and I go he was next. So I just sat in the back
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or I just walked in one night and before I went on just who's on I don't know everybody here and uh same thing D. I
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just thought it was very different. And I think it's kind of like maybe you're saying his stand up in the
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old days was sort of uh in a weird way ac cappella and now you're adding strings and different things to it
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because movements and different things are taking like a bit that's funny and it's getting funnier. There's little
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layers to it now. So you're not So you have a bit that's already funny and now you're putting different stuff to it.
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Now it's elevating and now that's your whole style. There's more going on in each bit than a regular
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standup. I would say that's what I I I drawn to the same stuff. It was already funny. And then he surprises with some
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moves. I think I there was the Uber bit and there was the one about the about when that was just funny to me.
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And then and then when I see I see, you know, it got into this other thing that we can get into where I just did a special and
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this is more what this podcast is about. Um I did a special and and so what's the name of it? When is it? We we
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we don't know yet. But the thing about it is, and Sebastian's done a lot of these,
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and the idea of do you start from scratch and do a whole new hour or do
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you do a mix bag? Uh, so for me, I just shot my special
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last week and I'm still on tour, so that will come out after I uh after I'm done
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with the tour. So, I like to give the crowd a new experience if I'm
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going to go on tour again. I mean, I think there's some uh some material that people enjoy that they want to hear,
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right? Um and I might throw a few of the older ones in, but I like to, you know, I I
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don't know. It's hard with comedians. I mean, I'm sure you guys run into it. The impressions that you do, people want to
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see the impressions or people want to see the Totally. They Yeah. Yeah.
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And you're you're like, "All right, you know, I'll give you that." But like the hits here's what what do you got? Where's
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the bride's groomsman or whatever? That one where they come down and rehearse. That one I always thought was funny cuz
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when I see you sometimes I go, "Oh, I don't know what's coming out, you know,
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and I if I told my buddy, oh, there's an Uber bit. There's this bit." So those kind of things happen with me, too. They
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go, "Oh, I came to see you and you didn't do." And I'm like, "I know. I actually like to mix in some of my
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favorites and then of course do new stuff and then there's that feeling of
00:25:24
that was in the special. Do I do it when I go out again? I don't know. It's it's a back and forth.
00:25:29
Well, here you guys uh a little bit older than me. You you you didn't have
00:25:34
like you when you did when you did something on TV or you did that just lived on TV. It's not like you went and
00:25:42
go and like pulled that clip back up again of uh the SNL sketch that you guys did.
00:25:48
It's like if you missed it, you missed it. Yeah. And now it's all out there for everybody
00:25:56
to see. So you do a special and it's like I didn't even I didn't have cable going up so I didn't even see the damn
00:26:02
HBO specials and and and and then and when I caught it was like catching a
00:26:09
unicorn. But now it's like you do you do a special, they cut it up, it's all on clips on on internet and then people
00:26:16
come out and go, "All right, well yeah, we saw that. What are we paying, you know, $55 ticket?" That's a big thing.
00:26:23
When I saw that already on on YouTube. So it's a challenge, I think, for comedians to kind of come up
00:26:28
with equal or greater than material that they have done previously. That's the
00:26:34
challenge.
00:26:39
Ticket prices are a trip, right? Because I was said, "Oh, you know, I'm just trying to warm up, so I'll play this
00:26:45
casino in Orville." And then I see the tickets are like $195.
00:26:52
You know, I got notes on stage. I'm I'm working my old characters. It's
00:26:58
a little bit like, "Guys, I' I'd rather take a little less and not feel that [ __ ] pressure. Am I going to give you
00:27:05
195 bucks worth of comedy? But I will observe one thing about you because you don't have any punchlines. It's a little
00:27:11
bit like with me chopping broccoli. People still I don't know if you've heard of it, but it's this goofy song
00:27:16
and there was no joke in it. And so your bits have no joke. So it's like Monty
00:27:22
Python or something. The rhythms and the physicality. You you probably would enjoy some of your stuff more the second
00:27:28
time. So I can see why you go, "Okay, I'm going to do this bit. maybe do an encore, you know, Bill um Rean, Brian
00:27:35
Rean had to do that because he had some bits that were just so people just wanted to hear them. And
00:27:40
even before Twitter and Tik Tok, yeah, it's not jokes with surprise punchlines.
00:27:46
Those kind of burn out. Those guys who do that style, that's hard. But anyway, you go ahead.
00:27:52
I think you're right. Sometimes it's just the way people do it. Like the chopping broccoli, everybody could watch that over and over again. I I did have a
00:28:00
question on the chopping broccoli when you went chop like you did a you did a chop. Is that was that all in the moment
00:28:08
there or was that like planned? I done it in the clubs. I think the first time
00:28:14
I did it was at the improv on Melrose and that piano at midnight. Started it there. So I was doing in the clubs for
00:28:21
probably a couple years. So that was just a a good representation, but there's no way I'm knowing when I'm
00:28:27
going to go, you know, but I knew that I was going to escalate it, but I didn't know it would happen right at that moment. You know, it's probably the way
00:28:34
you work, you know, you and me, you know, but it's uh yeah, you you you kind of
00:28:40
have an outline, but you're not totally sure. I know it's cold as ice paradise, and the feeling was so nice. She's a
00:28:45
lady I know. If I didn't know her, she'd be the lady I didn't know, you know. And then we get in. My lady went downtown.
00:28:50
She bought some broccoli. And then there there I'm off. Once I get to chop broccoli, then anything could happen.
00:28:56
[ __ ] chop in the clubs. I'll do it for 10 minutes with a guitar. Yeah. Or when you did an SNL, I I've seen it. But
00:29:04
I I watch it for the first time a week ago. Did it kill or was it one of those ones
00:29:09
that like Coneheads that doesn't do that well and then they do it again then it kills because they they're on to it. You know what I They're like,
00:29:15
"Oh, it takes a" Because sometimes those are just like weird bits and then they stick with
00:29:20
everybody and everyone's like, "Oh [ __ ] that's great." And you go, you know, it never killed because it's so new they
00:29:26
haven't they don't even get it right away. It did build. I mean, the character I had to call it a character.
00:29:31
I used to do it just as myself. I'd set it up as rock stars losing inspiration.
00:29:36
Um, but Derek Stevens and then it sort of built after time, but it did well. It
00:29:43
was at the end of my first show, but then I wrote a sketch later where Derek Stevens goes to his record company and
00:29:49
they tell him that he has to die because they look at the record sales of Hendricks and Jim Morrison. That kind of
00:29:55
killed the character, you know. But anyway, but back to our guest. Did did you guys on SNL I mean I
00:30:03
I do you look at other casts after you guys have left and say oh you know do
00:30:10
you compare like oh when we were there it was the heyday or how do you guys
00:30:17
like judge the show after you've been on it is something that
00:30:22
David I start with thinking they're all bad and then I go from there. No, I don't.
00:30:28
Uh, no, it's it's we've we've talked about this because we we've talked to different generations, Garrett Morris
00:30:35
and Lorraine Newman and then we go newer cast and it's always about the same
00:30:40
situation where some of them are some sketches are good and some don't work as well and then there's some cast members
00:30:46
that kind of pop out and some flatline and that's just the way it's always
00:30:51
been. Uh, I think we I was lucky to have good people around me, but that wasn't
00:30:56
for sure known at the time. It was 5 years later, 10 years later that everyone kind of held up. I always
00:31:03
think, you know what I mean? Um, I could have some memories of the seven years I had in there that was really went well
00:31:09
and everything, but when I see other people like later on like Sher Terry or if I see Will Ferrell and stuff, it's
00:31:15
like, okay, they're better than I was. That's how I go. I go Bill Hater, Fred Ars. Okay, there. I'm not as good as uh
00:31:22
Kristen Wig or I couldn't do that. I couldn't do that. I always look at the
00:31:28
cast beyond my time lovingly and with a lot of admiration, you know, cuz like I
00:31:33
didn't do that, you know, cuz it's kind of unlimited. You do what you do and then you leave the show. But, you know,
00:31:39
it keeps being reinvented. Uh I mean, how do you I'm just going to ask you because you didn't have cable and you're
00:31:46
in the clubs like who were you who were you looking at? And you you didn't have telephone, you
00:31:51
didn't have a landline or you know, but who are you? Like George Carlin. George Carlin. Who are you looking at to to
00:31:57
It was anybody on Johnny Carson. So we would stay up and watch Johnny Carson and then
00:32:02
I would be fascinated when the comedian would come on. Back then I think he got like seven or eight minutes. Uh and I
00:32:08
was like just like, "Oh, wow. This is this is unbelievable." Plus back then we would listen to records of
00:32:14
Yeah. Arlin or or uh I would I would see cable my on on Saturday morning I went
00:32:20
over to my uncle's house to visit and he would tape all the the comedians for me to watch. So I I that's kind of how I
00:32:27
was introduced to standup was I I think first through through the Tonight Show.
00:32:33
So how old were you when you went to your uncle's house to look at the standups to watch the Playboy channel?
00:32:38
This is eight. I was like seven eight years old. Oh so you got the bug early. You kind of Yeah. Yeah. I was I I was really really
00:32:44
fascinated with standup comedy from a young age. I just always thought it was I used to go to comedy clubs when I was
00:32:50
15, not to perform, just to watch. I had a fake ID. Me and my girlfriend would go and there's a little comedy club in
00:32:57
Rosemont at the time. I even forget the name of it. Um and we used to sit in the back and I used to sit there and marvel
00:33:02
at the comedian going, "Gee, how does he remember all that?" Exactly. I did the same thing.
00:33:09
And I'm like, "Are they just making this up like right now? They seem so confident. They're so smooth.
00:33:15
Yeah. Did you see Seinfeld on there? I remember seeing Seinfeld. I saw Leno on Carson. I saw Jeff Alman.
00:33:22
Uh there's just some that stuck out. George Miller. Remember that was is that on Letterman? Letterman's friend. George
00:33:27
Miller. But that's funny because you see them and that's really it and then you
00:33:32
wait and see someone else on there. Rickles was always as a kid was the one who just made me laugh the hardest cuz
00:33:38
over there chewing on jokes. Ed, the show started a half hour ago. Put him in the corner. Give him a cookie.
00:33:44
Hey, Ed, get with the program. I mean, and you he had his tricks, but still he made it feel so spontaneous. And yeah,
00:33:51
so I I really enjoyed him and the Johnny Carson banter and the back also I liked when the the the
00:33:58
the talk shows had people on the couch and you would come out and they would goof
00:34:04
around with the the girl next to you, next to you. Everybody would be like having fun. And now it's like you go out
00:34:11
there and it's just you and you and the host. It would be nice to have this the first guest sitting next to you. Yeah,
00:34:16
it's promotion and corporate greed and you know that was just like I mean there's one online there's so many
00:34:22
online where Rickles is just next to Sinatra you know Vinnie Babango called you know he's just doing all these fake
00:34:28
Italian names and uh Sinatra was dying but yeah that bygone era can I ask you this uh were
00:34:36
you introverted extroverted in the middle going through grade school or do
00:34:41
you have years where you were kind of the king of the hill other years you were dormant shy. Just shy kid. Never class clown.
00:34:49
Just quiet, polite, just observe the the class clown. I I
00:34:55
never liked the class clown. I always thought not funny. Sorry, Dana. No, I was introverted as well. But in
00:35:02
when I was in fourth grade, I had a good year. I got kind of cocky. But fifth grade, I went I went I went dormant. No,
00:35:08
fourth grade, some about I was a shoplifter. I smoked cigarettes and I fought a lot of kids. I fought. I was
00:35:15
What happened? Your stock went down the next year. I don't know. You know, that's that's thing what I was going to say about confidence, you know, is there's 99%
00:35:24
and then that last 1% is as big as the as the previous 99. And I think that's
00:35:29
where you got to at a given point. And so the audience when they sense that kind of confidence like Dave Chappelle
00:35:35
when he's up there, you know, it's just like that's at that high high and you're
00:35:41
takes 22 minutes to light a cigarette. Everyone's like, I know it's mesmerizing. You're actually It's funny. Yeah, you're waiting.
00:35:46
You're actually when you watch him, you you hope that he likes you as an audience member.
00:35:52
That's how powerful he is. But when you get to that level of confidence, that next next wound down
00:35:58
level. The audience is so comfortable. They're so relaxed that you have command
00:36:04
up there. And you got there. I don't know what year it was, but you got there. And it's fun to watch. I've I've
00:36:11
seen recent specials. I won't give names of big comics and I I was one of them a few years back, but their eyes are kind
00:36:17
of big and they're they're dancing for their dollars. They're a little sweaty and it's not their best set. And you
00:36:23
know, you want to feel like the guy's not shooting a special, you know?
00:36:29
You know, Sebastian's eyes get big, a beat of sweat, and it's ain't funny all of a sudden. Go ahead, David. He's not afraid not afraid to keep keep it silent
00:36:36
for a second, you know, like I think I think I'm right when you uh when there's silence in mind. I'm scared they're
00:36:42
going to yell. I'm scared. It's hard to sit there and be quiet and think of the next thing. I think Nate Bgatsi has good
00:36:47
crowds where they wait. You know what I mean? They're well behaved. And to get a crowd, it's so
00:36:52
much more fun to do throwaway jokes or to take a pause and then they go, but if you I get rowdy sometimes and so I can't
00:36:59
leave that much. And I think I I like when someone like Sebastian just stops for a second, then he goes on the next
00:37:05
thing and you're like, I'm in this. So if you're a good if you get a good crowd, you can do it. Yeah. That's the biggest fear that I I
00:37:12
love the silence. It's just you don't know what people are going to say or do or or you know, someone could
00:37:20
yell out something because the audience feels sometimes maybe uncomfortable going
00:37:25
are we supposed to talk now or are you do you forget something? Yeah,
00:37:30
they want you to keep [ __ ] going. They get uncomfortable. They're like, "Maybe this is the time he wants me to
00:37:37
yell something stupid." And they're right on quue. You know you're in shape as a standup if you're
00:37:43
up there and you have a bit and it's killing. And you just in the back of your head, you go, "Oh my god, if this
00:37:49
is killing, I got three stacked right behind this." You know, I can really relax now.
00:37:55
Oh yeah. You know, that's a good place to be. Good crowd is great. Yeah. Yeah, the the Yeah, you gotta be I
00:38:01
mean even even sometimes you feel like I don't know if you guys feel like you're doing a bit maybe it's one of your
00:38:08
favorite bits to do but it doesn't come it comes in the middle. You put it in the middle, right?
00:38:15
And you feel like after that you're like ah I the stuff that I got after this not
00:38:21
going to be as good as what they just saw. Right. No, but I you get at least for me, I get so
00:38:26
excited to do that. I got to move it up in the act. It keeps me kind of engaged.
00:38:33
And then after that, for me, I I feel like, oh man, it's it's a little bit of a let down just to to tell them these
00:38:39
these jokes because I know they're not as good as what I just did. So, or you know, or you get a weird crowd,
00:38:44
not to interrupt you, we I had this the other night. They're they weren't they're either really biting on
00:38:50
everything or you go, "Oh, they're not biting on this. This is dirty." And they're not biting. And I'm like,
00:38:55
"Uh-oh." I'm looking at my list going, "We got some dirty ones coming up toward the end. How do I get around these?"
00:39:01
Because why? It's so hard on your feet to go, I got to move that up. I got to lose that, but I still got to do enough
00:39:07
time because they are If they're not biting on this one, they're not going to like the next. I You can just tell. I know.
00:39:12
Get off it. Get off it. That's such a psychological beating up there. You're like,
00:39:18
"Don't you find it fascinating that you're saying they're not biting on this?" Meaning as as a as an audience
00:39:25
collect, a whole group. Yeah. Yeah. Like like they all got together and go, "Listen, dirty. We're not
00:39:30
laughing at the dirty stuff tonight." But it's fascinating for me is like how is it like everybody in the audience is
00:39:38
not on board with this one particular? Yep. or they don't like the the super
00:39:43
dry stuff. Like you can just come have little musings that work. Like I think the other night I go on and I go, "Uh,
00:39:49
hey, don't tell me what happened in the election. I taped it. Don't tell me who won. I taped it." And then and then I
00:39:56
got a big laugh. Next night I do it, they're just staring at me. I'm like, "What happened? What happened between last night and tonight?"
00:40:02
Uh, at certain point it's too late to do that. But for there two, three days there and then I go and then I go,
00:40:09
"There's some throwaways in my act. They weren't. And they're like, "We're not the throwaway crowd. Give us the give us
00:40:14
the fast balls." I'm like, "Fuck." And that's what you realize early on. And I go, "I got an hour on this. I got to
00:40:20
My problem is if I too early get too jumpy and I just go out and I go, not
00:40:25
going to do it. I'm fucked." Cuz that's it. They They Some people leave after that. They Or if I go party on some half
00:40:32
the crowd goes we got it. We got it. We heard it. If I don't do anything else
00:40:37
and then you do something else, I go, why are you doing something else? Why are you talking about anything but the church lady right now? I don't
00:40:43
understand why. So, you're ruining it. It's a good problem to have. But it's
00:40:48
basically a greatest hits review. I might as well be at, you know, the Tropicana and Laughlin. You know,
00:40:55
little Dennis Miller slipped in. Oh, you got, by the way, I'll be at the Tropicana and Laughlin on November 18, 19.
00:41:00
You got the Sebastian cat on the pod today, huh? That's a toddling and cat,
00:41:06
you know, out there with the physicality works it works it. So, uh, what another question
00:41:13
besid uh your all your credits, movies, TV shows in a He's like, "Please get to my credits."
00:41:19
PR person's going nuts. When is he going to mention the book? When is he going to do it?
00:41:25
When's he going to mention the bookie? We got a 2hour podcast. I can't do it. Do you have to stretch before you go
00:41:32
out? I mean, do you kind I do. uh early on. No, but now I I pop
00:41:37
my calf a couple of times on stage of all things. Which bit was it or what?
00:41:43
You can't do the stealing. It was just a pivot move or you were squatting. I I went to go sprint from one side to
00:41:50
the other as I went off my right leg. It I'm like, "Wow, did did I just break my
00:41:55
leg?" Doesn't take much. You have to be at least 30. So after that, it doesn't take
00:42:03
a lot. You're like, what happened was I turn to grab the computer mouse and everyone's like, and I go, that was it.
00:42:09
I'm old enough that my my toes will spasm during a set. Like they just start going out and getting all rigid. I got
00:42:16
to I go, what the [ __ ] That's painful. I can't put any weight on it. So I just
00:42:21
go, "Not going to step over." I'm trying to stir up ticket sales on
00:42:28
this bike. I want to see you collapse. I'm going to your show. So, did you have to ice it,
00:42:35
rest it, massage it? It It was okay. Yeah, I had to mention it to the crowd because it that definitely hampered my
00:42:41
movement. I had sciatica for two years. Uh and it really really screwed with my
00:42:47
Oh, that's wicked. Wicked [ __ ] I don't know if you guys have dealt with that. Does that go down your back, your leg or
00:42:52
something? Yeah, it goes side of your leg into your calf. Some people get it into their ankle and foot, but uh
00:42:58
[ __ ] that debilitating. I couldn't I couldn't move. I you know, it's hard to be funny when you're in like a lot of pain. So, I
00:43:05
had to really uh work through that. It's it's gone now. I I did uh a lot to correct it. I I
00:43:12
tried everything shots. I was getting I was doing cupping, massage, whatever that was out
00:43:18
there, I was doing. And then I I fell upon this lree Pilates and all of a sudden two months in.
00:43:24
Wow. I'm Yeah. My wife had it. Same same thing. Pilates, all that kind of stuff. Could I
00:43:31
ask you what special when you were in massive pain did you record? Just what was the name of that
00:43:37
special? When you're in pain. Oh, that was the last one. Is it me in the tuxedo? Really?
00:43:43
You probably decided not to record this. What is your last one called? Is it me?
00:43:49
Yeah. Or I thought it ain't right. No, it ain't right. Is the the tour tour. The tour. Yeah. Yeah. And then is
00:43:55
it me? Yeah. Yeah. Is it me? And how would you What time is it? What time is it?
00:44:03
I'm running out of special names. Sebastian, you have one called Give It a Rest. Give it a rest.
00:44:09
Mine's called Beep Bop Boop. I mean, they go, "Are you is this a real one?" I'm like, "I don't know." That's He had a special that even What? He had
00:44:16
a special. He named it. The name was so nondescript that for two years in this podcast, neither of us could remember
00:44:23
couldn't remember the name of his current special. What was the name of it? Always like either two words or just
00:44:28
something kind of cutesy. But question, aren't you embarrassed? What's wrong with people?
00:44:34
Yeah. Get your facts straight. Oh yeah, I got sciatica. It's uh
00:44:46
if you name a special, do you have to say the name in the act? That's a great question. I uh
00:44:54
you know, people go, "I'll watch your special and give you a name." I'm like, "You won't." Because there's not some running theme of like, "I was abused by
00:45:01
my father the whole special." They're like, "Oh, I got one." You're like, "No, it's just all goofy dumb jokes and it
00:45:06
makes no sense." So, I'm going to have it a special name. Like when I heard Rock named his Tambourine and I didn't
00:45:13
get it at all, but I just like that it was different and spelled different than And then he said, "When you're married,
00:45:19
sometimes you're the lead. Sometimes you play the tambourine and let them shine." And I was like, "Oh, okay." So, it has
00:45:25
some thought to it, you know? So, I like that. But I liked it anyway because it was just weird. And uh and it's always
00:45:30
fun to think of a name and then no one really cares. I had one good one and one terrible one. The good good one was the '9s.
00:45:37
I called it Critic's Choice with four stars. And I never talked about it on cable TV. It would come up on Comedy
00:45:43
Central. Dana Carvey, Critics's Choice, four stars. My sister would call me and says, "You got Critics's Choice again."
00:45:52
Then in 2016, I had an Irish nephew from Dublin at Stella Adler in Hollywood. And
00:45:58
it was right when wokeness was coming in. and they said this and this and this, but straight white males need not
00:46:04
apply for some class. So he goes, man, you should name it that, you know. So I
00:46:10
name him straight straight white male 60. I don't know why cuz some people said that's going to catch you. I would click on that, you know. And then I'm on
00:46:17
the great late Nor McDonald's podcast and goes so special. I mean, what was that title
00:46:23
about? And he say it kind of has nothing to do with straight white male, right? I go, no, nothing. There's no bit in there
00:46:29
about it. It's completely just slapped on. I like that you confuse Norm with that one. I did. I know.
00:46:34
What does it mean? What does it mean? Where's the bit about that? You know, I didn't. So, we I love
00:46:40
Norm, of course. Uh, throws it in. I just threw that in case people don't understand that.
00:46:46
We make fun of Norm all the time. We love Norm. I mean, I love to do him because I'm visiting with him. But, uh,
00:46:52
so the bookie is what your PR is. Is that why you're on right now? Besides besides,
00:46:57
he's on because he likes he's a big fan. No, it's uh um I watched one of the the first
00:47:04
episode today. It was It's very cool. I mean, you had Ray Romano on on it, you know, and you were in that movie with
00:47:10
him somewhere in Queens. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. So, yeah. I mean, I the whole
00:47:15
acting thing for me has been a struggle to kind of wrap my head around coming off, you know, standup comedy and
00:47:21
getting that immediate, you know, gratification on stage and then all of a sudden you're acting and now it's uh
00:47:27
we're going to do that again. We're going to move the cameras and this and that. Just for me, it's like I get like
00:47:32
I get impatient. It's like, "All right, come on. Let's uh it's not really fun, is it?" Unless it's
00:47:39
documentary style, but if it's like we're coming around, you know, we're moving we're moving in. Oh,
00:47:46
really? Do you hate yourself when you start um repeating the way you did a joke over and over on different takes? It's makes
00:47:53
me sick to be honest. Oh, you I keep doing it and they go, "Do it again." I'm like, "It's just It's not
00:47:59
funny." And they go, "Now do it again. This is the one we're probably gonna use." I'm like, "Now it's 48 takes in.
00:48:05
I've been giving it my all." Hi. Hi. And then I got to do it again. And the people across me are like, "Oh, so all
00:48:12
that that was all planned." That little throwaway adlib. I'm like, "Yes, you get it now. Sorry."
00:48:18
But in your act, you do it once and you keep moving. Everyone's like, "Oh, hey." They do the master shot at 8:00 a.m.,
00:48:23
right, David? They do the best shot, then a second, a third master shot. By the time you get to the money shot on
00:48:29
you, it's like 8 n hours later. You've actually said the words over 200 times. It doesn't even sound like English at
00:48:35
that point in the reviews. The the comedian, the impressionist, struggles with his acting skills. No [ __ ] get
00:48:43
put do Larry David with me. Just shoot everything every second. One time to
00:48:48
just bring it back to us. Um Sebastian, we were on a when we did Tommy Boy, Brian Deni came
00:48:54
in to play to play Farley's dad. We all love him from [ __ ] true, you know, first blood or whatever
00:48:59
and so we were all excited. So, we didn't realize because it was our first big movie or any movie that we were Pete
00:49:06
Pete the director who's a great guy. We love him. But to make sure because we were new, I think Paramount told him
00:49:12
just make sure you get it. So, we're doing 15 masters, you know, forget about the over the shoulder and then a two
00:49:18
shot and then a over the wide shot and then a loose two closeup. So, we're
00:49:24
doing that's what we're taking all day. And then Brian Deni after three takes of the master goes they go, "All right,
00:49:30
going in." And he goes, "What the [ __ ] What are we doing? What are we doing here? We got it. Go. Move on. Move on." I love it. We just did three. How we're going to be
00:49:36
on this a second at the beginning and a second at the end of the What are we doing? And I was like, "Are you allowed
00:49:41
to say this? What what's going on?" And then and because you know, Farley gives it 1,0%. I gave it about 64. And
00:49:49
so at the he's just so burned out and drinking coffee and we're like, we haven't even pushed in for the stuff
00:49:56
we're going to use. So he was sort of trying to protect us a little bit. in a very loud voice.
00:50:01
I had Robert Locha great do that want a movie. Oh, that's another example. He goes up. The director gets in his
00:50:07
face. You're wearing out the actors. You're wearing them the [ __ ] out. And the director's like shriveling down.
00:50:13
I did Roadhouse. Yeah. I played a piano with Tom Hanks, you [ __ ] face. We shot Roadhouse in a
00:50:20
day and a half. That's Patrick sees. Was Brian Was Robert Loia and Roadhouse?
00:50:25
I think he was a bad guy. Was he lived across the lake? Anyway, back to Sebastian.
00:50:32
All right. Well, Sebastian, thank you, bud. What else can we ask? Thank you. I uh I appreciate he's a good guy. I will see you at the store.
00:50:39
He's a brilliant standup. I think you're an excellent actor, by the way. I like watching you act.
00:50:44
And uh and and you wrote a book. I don't know what you haven't done, but you know, just keep on keeping on.
00:50:51
If we run into each other somewhere sometime, what would you want me to say to you? I have a backstage of comedy
00:50:57
store. What would you like me to say? Hey, Sebastian. We just pick it up right before we left
00:51:02
off right here. We just just go into the next question and start start about the bookie and then
00:51:08
just go from there. Are you going to run and tell your wife and kids they said I was really physical and musical?
00:51:14
Yeah. No, it's going to be at the dinner table tonight. Do you know what the they said about daddy? No, you know what they said.
00:51:20
And you're picking them up and holding them. Anyway, it was so much fun to have you on here and uh yeah,
00:51:27
thanks for letting us blab, but uh yeah, keep on doing and uh just have fun, I
00:51:32
guess. Enjoy yourself. I mean, it's I am enjoying myself and it was a pleasure talking to both of you, the two
00:51:39
guys that I kind of grew up watching on TV. And uh you know, sometimes it's like, you know, you got to wrap your
00:51:47
head around these things. It's like uh watching you as a kid now we're doing a
00:51:52
podcast together sometimes it's you know plays with your head a little bit going I to I had it with Martin Short and
00:51:59
Steve Martin you know like really you consider me a peer what is this where
00:52:04
we're at now are you crazy you know but uh yeah I totally get that don't ever lose that you know and you're making a
00:52:10
lot of people happy I know that sounds really corny but from where I'm at people [ __ ] need to laugh in life and
00:52:16
so it's a good thing It's a good stock and trade to do.
00:52:24
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