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there were a lot of people on Instagram
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that um posted questions for me to ask
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you and um a a lot of those um I don't
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know I suppose they're kind of trivial
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on the big scheme of things or like
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Curious you know like music related pop
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culture related about you know the
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outside world versus glor ofil so I
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thought maybe we'll um we we'll get them
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done first yeah and um then we'll unpack
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um some of your story someone said um
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uh if if you were writing like an
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outside Survival Guide for people
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leaving Glory of alale like what would
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be some of the key things in it you know
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so like an instruction instruction
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manual so they drop you off at the the
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bus stop they tell you you're going to
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spend the rest of your life burning in
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hell um what would have been helpful
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information to
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have um I think more like money
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management and then just like social
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skills knowing like how to introduce
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yourself and that sort of just how to
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have a conversation with someone what do
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you
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mean in there you you only had
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conversations with people you've ever
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like grown up with and you've NE you
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don't introduce yourself to anyone or
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say hello or things like that and like
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and MoneyWise I only had ever seen a $5
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note before leaving I didn't know what
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$200 meant in the scheme of things um
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and knowing how to go to the supermarket
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and things like that like choosing what
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to have for dinner like that sort of
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thing is probably just the really
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everyday life sort of
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stuff does it take you long uh once you
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leave Glory of able to get you hit
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around that
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stuff I mean you learn the hard way for
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a lot of it like it's trial and error um
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but I
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think just a lot of it comes down to
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being able to make choices and if you
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can learn that skill then you sort of
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everything else becomes easier yeah
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there's there's some stuff in the book
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that um you only sent it to me yesterday
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so I haven't read the whole thing I've
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just had a Fleck throw but some of
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that's um I mean yeah it sort of touches
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your heart it's kind of cute in a way
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it's like you leave Glory Veil they give
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you $200 yeah and you think you're rich
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you get to you realize oh okay $200
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ain't going to get me far no pretty much
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yeah love that someone else said um what
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are the most positive and most negative
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things you learned from growing up in
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glor of
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veale um anything good about
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it probably more like the life skills
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stuff but then also just I think my
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favorite thing in glor was like being a
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child and being in nature and like the
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bush walks and like that part of it um
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like I don't think I would have gotten
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through my childhood if I didn't have
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the nature around me to like disappear
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into the bush for a few hours um that's
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probably the best thing and the thing I
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missed most about like the West Coast
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yeah that's quite telling a so it's more
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like um scener based really than
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anything else yeah yeah definitely and
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when you disappeared in the bush for a
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few hours what was that for like just a
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process thoughts or process thoughts and
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like I did a lot of writing and reading
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um and just sleep as well like you
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couldn't and just piece
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like a moment just
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to realize I don't know like process
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things and hide from the meetings on
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Sunday
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um
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yes thanks
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J uh from Instagram uh what did Theo
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know about the outside
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world that it was a bad evil place and
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that everyone was going to hell um that
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was pretty much
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it is she still
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religious I believe m in higher power I
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believe in like the universe in the
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environment and connecting to nature but
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that's about it so if there was not
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religion so if there was a scale and
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there was like um religious agnostic
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atheist where would you be some probably
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in the middle yeah yeah okay um within
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Glory of vale uh what do people say
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about those that have
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left so when you're in there and someone
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leaves like I does everyone sort of
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gossip about them does everyone talk
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about them do they pray for them um like
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the word goes around that people are
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lefted and it's like they've damned
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their souls to hell and they didn't have
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like faith in God and they didn't trust
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the leaders and pretty much you just
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think that they've gone like they've
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disappeared like I remember when my best
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friend when I was 11 her whole family
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just disappeared and you just think that
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she's gone to hell and that's
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all and that's
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that and then like they have burnings
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like when I was younger that you'd have
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to burn um any like thing you had like
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photos or anything to do with them like
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your their names can't really be
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mentioned again that like it's like they
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never
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existed that's terrifying yeah yeah so
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you're not aware that it's that it's
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happening so your friends don't say hey
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you know in the next couple of days I'm
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going to be leaving not always no you
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don't tell anyone cuz then you could be
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stopped how did you know it was the
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right decision to
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leave I knew from like the age of 14
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that I had to get out of there but I
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think when I got to 18 it was just like
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a lot of questioning and then I pretty
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much got told I had to sign the
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commitment or leave so that was sort of
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was the last thing last straw yeah the
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again these are the questions from
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Instagram we're just scratching the
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surface on some of the stuff and we'll
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get into that in in more detail when we
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get through these um some of the some of
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these are quite serious but some of them
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are quite trivial so once we get through
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these we'll um go through your story in
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sort of a more chronological order um
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who decides the baby names the mothers
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get to say what's your name honey my
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name yeah was honey faithful yeah um the
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parents chose them but they have to be
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biblical and then they have to run them
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past the leaders
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first so where did um theop come from
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theop Pratt um when I was 16 I changed
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my name in glor um and it had to still
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be religious so I came up with theer um
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it came from a cow to be honest I was I
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was illegally milking cows with my
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cousins down at the deir and one of the
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cow's names was theop and then I just
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remembered that when I was going to
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change my name right honey Faithful is a
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great name it sounds like it could be a
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pop star to it sounds like it could be a
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stuff's name st's name I wouldn't know
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about that sort ofil it didn't it didn't
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work I mean having that sort of name in
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there all the guys just had on year and
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like I don't know it was just like a
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mocking thing in terms of like woman and
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having that name it was like confusing
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and like a lot of bullying Rel to it
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yeah by me and like boys my age
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yeah what is the uh typical day for a
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glory of old woman or for you I suppose
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like a young woman like like a teenage
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girl yep probably waking up at 4:30 to
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5: and either going to work on one of
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the teams so it could be going to make
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the breed for the community so like 100
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Loaves and then going to
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school finishing at like 2:30 back to
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work and then finishing maybe at 7 at
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night
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yeah starting
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again seems to be a life with like very
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little Joy it's feels like it's a life
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with um sort of like purpose and
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structure and discipline but maybe very
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little Joy no joy and no like moment to
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like have a laugh or have a conversation
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with a person next to you it's like just
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go go go cuz if you have a moment to
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think then you might start
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questioning you do you yeah within none
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of those moments that you can like even
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snapshots where like you're having a
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laugh or a happy moment with there's a
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few moments but a lot of it's like
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moments of in their moments of things
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that could get you in trouble so like
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running away and like going into the
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bush and like that sort of thing but it
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was always on terms that it was against
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the
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rules Yeah you mentioned mentioned
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before that you were um illegally
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milking um theop the
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cow what what happens when you when you
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break the uh law of Glory ofil you'll
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end up in a a Shepherds and servants
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meeting on a Sunday afternoon and
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questioned and like you'll get be sent
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into a room with like 12 of the leaders
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and
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questioned for a few hours for a few
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hours yeah and the leaders are all are
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all mean yeah all mean and sitting
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around in a circle and your Center
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what's sort of age oh 40s to 70s right
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so you're 13 14 15 16y old girl
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yeah and like are they raising their
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voices or oh 100% like raising their
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voices just all they all take turns at
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like screaming at you or yelling
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questioning you and you just sit there
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and wait for it to end and then you have
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to sort of come to an agreement at the
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end that you're going to do something to
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to show that you're going to submit to
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them so it could be apologizing or it
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could be you get put out like I was put
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out a couple of times um what does that
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mean could mean a range of things but
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when I got put out I was sent to work in
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the sewing room every day when I was 15
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and like I wasn't allowed to talk to any
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girls my age and not allowed to attend
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things that everyone else attended so I
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just went to the sewing room every day
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sewed then went
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home
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yeah so so when you're in when you're in
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when you're in trouble when you when you
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break the law
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yeah break in milking a cow say that
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happens on a Wednesday um are you just
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waiting until Sunday for the
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disciplinary meeting sometimes you're
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like oh is it going to happen or
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sometimes if it's serious you'll get
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called into like a meeting that night so
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like if someone from the outside that's
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left comes in and you're seen talking to
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them I've I was called into a meeting at
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like 2:00 in the morning woken up and
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was in a meeting with the leaders for a
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few hours and then to work at 4
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so they can't it can happen at anytime
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they can be knocking on your door at
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midnight what's the anxiety like like
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leading up to these meetings like if you
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know a meeting's coming like are you
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sheding yourself yeah sheding yourself
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and disappearing up up to the bush
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hiding that's why you like your you know
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you're eventually going to have to face
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the music you you do you know you are
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you just I guess hope that something
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else someone else does something bad so
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they take over
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yeah yeah pretty much yeah well I can't
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imagine how how stress by does it get
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easier though like those those those
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telling offs you're like oh I'm in
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trouble again it's another one Whatever
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Yeah you sort of just like oh well you
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and you sort of know learn the lines
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that they like so you learn the lines
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that will get you out of it so you learn
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to like say sorry and say what they want
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you to say so you just keep them in
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rotation and get through it and carry on
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say praise God and bless your brother
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and hope that does the truck say all the
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right things and then just go back to
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milking the cows yeah pretty much um a
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good friend of mine Clint uh he's a very
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funny guy he said um did she have a good
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role in the concert or was she put in
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the background oh no I didn't have any
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role
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didn't why were you too much of a
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renegade yeah were you yeah was that
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like a a like a a privileged position to
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get 100% Only The Chosen how much prep
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went into those concerts months like six
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months before the concert like months
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and months of prep making all the
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costumes long hours yeah was that a um
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like a good position to have because
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it's a I don't know I suppose a bit of
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Joy yeah it was fun cuz you're doing
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something different and you're and and
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you're excited about who's going to turn
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off at the concert were you not
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motivated to change your evil ways to
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get a SP no and I didn't I couldn't
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think of anything worse than
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representing nil
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Copa yeah
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um someone you might know um who
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Instagram name is man doton says I went
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to school with the I don't have a
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question I just want her to know that
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she's an inspiration oh nice yeah how
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does that make you feel yeah great I
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think I think yeah it feels good
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yeah yeah since you've been out so what
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is it now like eight years yeah it'll be
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nine years next month yeah how many how
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many conversations have you had with
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people have yelled at you H not many
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might be the other way around are you
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yelling at Kev your partner maybe yeah
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could be yeah but it's strange though
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isn't it because this is all you know
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and this is this is what you think
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life's all about and then you get out
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there and you realize that it actually
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isn't No Ex very abnormal you wait often
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like I'll be waiting for someone to yell
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and it doesn't happen it's like oh it's
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not normal like and what the
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circumstances like can you think of any
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that come to mind um probably more just
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like within the work life and like I
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don't know and stressful situations that
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you expect people to lash out at you
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when they're stressed oh and just when
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you makeing mistakes yeah yeah
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yeah I'm please you don't have to put up
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with that anymore yeah
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so uh what has changed for her in the
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past year or so since the escaping
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Utopia documentary came out um I think
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it's been a great conversation stter but
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it's
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also it's been a journey and it's I
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guess I still just keeping on thinking
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about my sister in India and like lots
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of people asking me about how that's
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going yeah there were a few questions
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about that on Instagram but yeah we're
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going to get to that later um biggest
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struggle after leaving glor
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about just the self-confidence and
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knowing where you fit in and knowing who
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you connect to and like what is life and
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knowing what you believe
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in yeah I can't imagine that cuz it must
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feel like um yeah you were born there
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you leave at 18 so you know you leave as
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soon as you become an adult so you're
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having these adult conversations with
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people and you must just feel like I
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don't know like you you you just can't
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relate to what's going on and you really
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struggle to fit in yeah a lot of that a
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lot of like while I was studying like
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knowing we to fit in I didn't know what
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half the conversations were about um a
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lot of
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Googling a lot of um wearing
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um yeah just trying to fit in yeah a lot
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of wearing
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what
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um wearing um what's that what's that
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brand with the um the ears now I can't
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even think of it oh Playboy
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Playboy I I took a Playboy tail to a
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Christian Camp and had no clue what it
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was oh Playboy bu there but Playboy was
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popular for a while was that like the
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the peak s of popularity thing when you
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came out of glor Val no someone gave it
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to me I think they did it as a joke and
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I thought it was cool and I took it to a
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Christian can
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um besides family and friends does she
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miss anything from her glory OFA life
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you may have covered off that before
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with the scenery yeah not really
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nothing um how frequently do people
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leave and does everyone else in glory of
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our gossip about them feel like we
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covered off that last bit earlier um but
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yeah how frequently do people when I
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left it was every few like every six
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months or so every year but now like
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pretty much every day there's some
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leaving wow do you know what the
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population is there now still must be
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like like 500 something right yeah um
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Theo left Glory of Val in 2016 which was
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um Peak Bieber Fever did she know who
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Justin Bieber was absolutely not
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really so yeah what were you okay so
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when you in there so 15 16 17 18 until
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you left um yeah what were you were you
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aware of in terms of pop culture and
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music I I knew of the
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Kardashians like you know what you know
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about pretty much nothing really but
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like just photos of them like I don't
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know would look through all the
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magazines and like um all like the
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modeling stuff and would look through
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the pictures that way what magazines
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like when you're in Greymouth for a
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visit or no like would get all the old
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newspapers and go through them um and
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just like when we're lighting the fire
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at 3 :30 in the morning just scroll
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through wrap papers out yeah so and in
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terms of Music nothing we like had the
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illegal like wiring radios together and
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like listened to a few like songs like
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Katie per songs but other than that not
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really
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anything yes so what radio did you
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listen to I would I would have been on
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the radio when you were in yeah you I
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think you were yeah I think the edge and
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that sort of stuff and then like sports
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like I remember when the All Blacks
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played and like when I was making cheese
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I had a a guy come and tell me the score
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and I'd write it in the cheese book for
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the the World Cup right in the cheese
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book why the schore the game I don't
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know I just did Cheese book like a diary
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or yeah well like when I made cheese we
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would have to record like all the acid
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and how you what we did how much milk
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and at the bottom I'd just like write
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messages for just for yourself yeah
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and then I I always thought that cuz
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other people they would be kept in the
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kitchen and I always thought like it
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would be cool once I left the other
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girls getting to read it seeing if I
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left them any messages like I don't know
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to make them think about where they
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live i' I've never been to Gloria Valley
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and I've never been to prison either but
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like what your describing sounds like
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sounds worse than prison yeah a little
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bit um first time she had McDonald's or
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KFC first time I had um KFC I went
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through with like a drag queen what went
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through the drive-thru like it was a
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friend uh like a friend of a friend
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though like oh I'll take you to CC and
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then yeah they were telling me about
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their life and yeah so this is after you
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left glor of Valen we're living in
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Oakland yeah yeah yeah and um what were
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your thoughts on
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KFC soed we had in gloral it was like
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nille Cooper's biggest thing oh really
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yeah right he so you okay so you'd
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already had KFC yeah yeah yeah yeah what
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about McDonald's I think we used to go
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through the drive-thru for the 50 scene
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ice creams but I didn't know what it was
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cuz we never went in and shops like
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Kmart or
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brisos nothing there's no shops in gr
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yeah no but the first time you like went
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to one of those um after leaving Gloria
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now yeah I don't I think it was all just
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a blur like Sylvia Park was my closest
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mall that was overwhelming but yeah
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that's syia Park is
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probably like about the size of the
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whole Glory of our compound yeah um does
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she have any favorite swear words
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now just e
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word did you ever swear in glory of
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Al uh did you know those words or does
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anyone use not those words but like
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saying [ __ ] was like the worst thing
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ever and if someone overheard you you
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you'd get in trouble for that right yeah
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right
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um uh what was the coolest little um
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little things you found out after you
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left don't know there's nothing after
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you left that like just blew blew your
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mind really impressed
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you I just think
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like you think in a way but like just
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that woman could have an education and
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like that woman were CEOs and like
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running the place like that sort of blew
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my mind did that seem like unfathomable
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fathomable to you and 100% that's such a
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cool answer yeah like that sort of thing
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like literally and that I could do that
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if I
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wanted and here you are you got a degree
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yeah like like it's it's like I don't
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think I can um just emphasize enough
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just how how cool that is so you had
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sort of limited education while you were
00:21:59
growing up yeah then you leave at 18 you
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you don't know anything about the
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outside world and you've you've you've
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accomplished so much in the last you
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know eight years since you've been out
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it's really cool hope you're proud of
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yourself yeah definitely proud of myself
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um what was the first movie she saw
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after leaving glor of Val hunt for the
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worlder people oh yeah that's B you
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enjoy it not bad you loved it five stars
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yeah then again you had nothing to
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compare
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exactly uh first concert she went to
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Pink
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all right okay yeah um your friend Rosie
00:22:31
Overcomer who I had on last year she
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said the Pink as well did you go
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together no no no um yeah why did you
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yeah did you like pink yeah it was good
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yeah she's a very good performer that
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sets the bar very high for for other
00:22:43
concerts I love Sam Smith though I've
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been to his all his concerts in New
00:22:47
Zealand have you yeah yeah why what's
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the appeal with Sam Smith just being
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different and being who he is like just
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him being himself yeah um in terms of
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Technology uh what was the hardest
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things to
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learn like is it weird when you first
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get a phone very weird I think I used
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all my minutes up like on the first
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day I don't know who I was talking
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to but yeah that's thing yeah someone
00:23:17
wanted to know about clothes and fashion
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like um you know I suppose what they
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mean is um when you wear the same blue
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dresses your entire life and that's all
00:23:26
you're knowing uh when you can start
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making clothing choices for yourself
00:23:29
what do you what do you get you're
00:23:31
wearing jeans today that's um that's not
00:23:33
allowed step up
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yeah are jeans comfortable oh so comfy
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no but I mean when you when you go from
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not wearing jeans your entire life to
00:23:42
wearing them for the first time as an
00:23:43
adult I think these a PA I'm wearing
00:23:45
jeans as a woman like for me I mean I
00:23:47
talk about it in my book like I think it
00:23:50
just gives you like a sense of control
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and
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like oh wearing men men's clothing but
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it's not
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and just I I just find like a power in
00:24:01
it and in the beginning when you when
00:24:05
you started like wearing Jewel have you
00:24:06
got ears you got your ears pierced or
00:24:08
anything yeah you got your ears pierced
00:24:09
when you got your like piercings and
00:24:10
your tattoo um like was there like a
00:24:13
default sense of guilt or anything no no
00:24:16
no not at all noos are addictive
00:24:20
yeah when you're getting them it does it
00:24:22
sort of feel like the middle finger in a
00:24:24
way yeah yeah yeah okay that's great
00:24:27
thanks fing those questions oh good