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Andrew Webster welcome to my podcast
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thanks for having me oh my dog just
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jumped up just about missed it um Wow
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first of all up the W yeah up M what are
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you how God hey um M I'm sorry I'm
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probably going to Fanboy a little bit
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because I can't believe you know you're
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over at my place doing this podcast um
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it's a real sort of punch myself moment
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um uh I think it ISS a lot about you
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like I just miss I got your number off a
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mate I messaged you and you just said
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yep I'll do it but messaged me in a
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month and then sure enough TR of your
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word here you are yeah no I well yeah
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it's it was a BS busy period
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particularly towards the end of the year
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so I said no to lots of people trying to
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focus on the finals and yeah I wanted to
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get it done so I'm glad I'm here yeah do
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you you must get a lot of invites to go
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on podcasts and things how do you decide
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what you're going to do and how you what
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you're not going to do oh I don't I
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don't really know I just I work it out
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from time to time probably depending on
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the schedule now's a pretty good time of
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the year so um but yeah no I U you were
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very polite so people are polite and ask
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nicely and they patient then you're
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often willing to do things for people
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are oh that's nice yeah you were like
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messaging me in a month so exactly a
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month later I mess you then like give me
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another couple of weeks alarm went and
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then you went there so was good I've
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tried the same with um I don't know if
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you're familiar with um Scott Razer
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Robertson yeah course yeah I messaged
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him like about a year ago and said oh do
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you want to come with my podcast and
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he's like I've got a rule I only do one
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a year so I messaged him New Year's Day
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New Year's Day the next year and he's
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like I'm not ready just yet message me
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message me in a couple of months I
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messaged him like first of month
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um but no he's a nogo oh there you go
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okay but um there is so much to discuss
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with you and I mean the impact that
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you've had on the NRL the impact that
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you've had on New Zealand culture since
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you've been here but first of all very
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very tough question who is Andrew
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Webster uh he's a knockout guy I suppose
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he loves his family loves his friends
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loves socializing Loves All Sport really
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um obviously particularly rby league and
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yeah just love helping people get better
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and that's probably why I love coaching
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and um yeah I like a good time I suppose
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because I I I uh I research these things
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as much as what I can and uh there's
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there's a lot of like podcasts that
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you've been involved with online but
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it's generally just focused on like
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League chat y so it's hard to scratch
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beneath the surface and figure out who
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Andrew Webster the person is there is a
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league sports writer with the same name
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though that must get tricky yeah it used
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to get a lot more tricky when I was
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probably in more assistant coach uh
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people would have my number and his
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number and they would text me
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pretending to be him like meaning they
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wanted to speak to him or they would
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text him when they should have been
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talking to me so it got a beit tricky
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there for a bit but yeah all all smooth
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out yeah so you're you're from um you're
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from like a like a a league obsessed
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family yes that's one thing I can gather
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so you were a pretty decent player I was
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average at best but you know I played
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lower grades for for junior Reps for the
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Tigers and Paramount eel so at that
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stage I thought I was doing all right
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but um that's the thing that all these
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young players will find out only they
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said you only probably one or two get
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through from each age group and I
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thought I was tracking all right and
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probably got a rude shock when I uh as
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the standards started to rise that I
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just wasn't athletically gifted enough
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so but I always thought I understood the
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game so um I thought I'd have a have a
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crack of coaching and I loved it and
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wanted to stay involved in the game so I
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got involved in coaching early yeah it
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was do you think it was sort of your
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destiny in a way your brother's a coach
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as well right yeah yeah he's a coach to
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yeah and I I heard I don't know if this
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is um this is fake news but I heard your
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sister as well like when you were little
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growing up um you know you get a lot of
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people that pretend to to be the play
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they pretend to be Nathan clear or Sean
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Johnson whatever she pretended to be
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like a a coach she pretended to be like
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a coach SL commentator and she'd radio
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down on the phone and she'd tell them
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what they're doing wrong and then she'd
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Go Side Line Andrew webson then I'd have
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to say my comments we'd sit there and
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watch Friday night footy and like three
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idiots and but we love she was the
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oldest my brother James so oldest
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Catherine James is the middle brother
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and then I'm the youngest so I'm no
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doubt I was getting the crap job
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whatever I had to do bunker bunker guy
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bunker yeah yeah you would have one then
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but that was the job I would have got it
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so what what sort of age are we talking
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when you're pretending to be coaching a
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I'm sure my sister would have been like
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10 I would have been I would have been
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that means I would have been five and a
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half I suppose that's unreal yeah so
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yeah like who like who seriously who
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does that oh I think I don't know I
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think kids all love imagination don't
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they and love you want to be the the
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star you want to be the man in the arena
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yeah well like I said I was the youngest
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so whatever my sister and brother told
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me I was doing I think I'm guessing my
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brother would have been least more most
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excited about doing it because James is
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he probably like you say would have been
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thinking about being in the arena and
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then my sister she was she was SL
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commentator coach she was given lots of
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advice remember Benny need to go to
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shorts side I remember that one about
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three times does does she still message
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you now with thoughts on games and no
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she's the opposite she's a she's a good
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coach in her own right at Nall um but
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she's no she's more more supportive than
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give me advice um one other thing I um
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picked up that you said in an interview
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or somewhere you're a fan of horse
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racing yes is like a punter or no more
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just love the the game I mean I my my
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pop my uncle's horse trainers and then
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um but more harness racing and then um
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I've always loved the gallops but then I
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decided to buy a Gallop galloper two
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years ago and put all my friends and
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family into it and just had like a small
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share we're going to race and picnic
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races and uh we got lucky enough that it
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became a really good race hor so I've
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got become a bit of a hobby I think
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everyone's got outside yeah so I mean I
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could sit there and not have a bed on a
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race and watch it and love it and enjoy
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it um so it's not it's not about the
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gambling it's it's about the actual
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thrill of racing see not looking on your
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phone just having a couple of bucks on
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whatever's going on at Mooney Valley in
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the middle of the week not at this stage
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no and what about in your spare time
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what do you do um I've just had a son so
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I've had Max um he's only six months um
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obviously my wife's made a huge
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sacrifice coming over here and um we
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live here so yeah you know the most
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important thing is spending time with
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Max at the moment and them and then the
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other thing would be just friends and
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family love socializing love getting
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around love going out for dinner that'd
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be my favorite thing I'd say is going
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out for dinner where where do you go
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what does that look like for you oh
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anywhere in Orland orland's got great
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food yeah I could be it could be a pub
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we're going to go up the road to a pub
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tonight and have dinner after this and
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or it could be uh a fine restaurant but
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steak's my favorite and see food so um
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if you got that on on K oh mate have you
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have you been to juvo Steakhouse yes
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love
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it um see so your wife Emma M Emily oh
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sorry M yeah she'll shoot me if you say
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oh really why did I think it was Emma um
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so has you just signed like signed an
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extension on your contract so you're
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here for like another five years correct
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y so um how's she has she made friends
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here has she got friends here she's got
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friends here I mean how did she make
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them like like anti natal class or no I
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think it's been more well one was
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actually through one of those classes
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but um most of it's been obviously
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through football and we were here before
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too so we so and she was here for with
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me for the second year of that of that
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time so um yeah I don't know we just get
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out there and meet people um we're
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probably going to make some more friends
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I suppose with they will say when you
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have young kids you make more friends so
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yeah but no she's she's super dependent
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woman um she loves being a mom right now
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that's probably her main focus and uh
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yeah we're having fun yeah love new love
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being here love
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ockland I've heard you say that you're
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such a good Ambassador for this country
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yeah um yeah you were here as assistant
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coach for was that Andrew mcf yeah yeah
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so 2015 2016 correct yeah and so where
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did you live then what area I just lived
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across the road here across the road VI
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near VI Vicky Park in the Bowmont
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section Vicky park by the way that's the
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most Australian abbreviation ever I've
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never heard it called Vicky Park all
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right victoriia park
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Liv over there loved it could walk
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everywhere so yeah found Orland amazing
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City and yeah yeah it was when I got the
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opportunity was Ken to come back yeah
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cuz I mean you you're here you've got a
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busy job and you're doing very well but
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I mean if if home life's not good it's
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never going to work is it like she if
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she's homesick it's de done yeah that's
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right I think like it's clear for any
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player that if they're happy off the
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field then they're going to play their
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best football so it's always most
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important that you're happy and yeah we
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got a good balance in our life yeah so
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so your son Max he must have been born
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like SM being in the middle of the
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Warriors Season yeah we played the
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Broncos in napia um born the day before
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the game I literally left her at the
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hospital she drove herself to uh to
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birth care afterwards and uh went to the
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game that's how Rox is Savage and she
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had a um I don't know if I'm all to say
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this but as a zaran too so I don't know
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if we meant to do that oh was it like an
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elected one so that no it was just like
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a scheduled one no it's just last minute
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would would would you have missed the
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game if the need be or off for the birth
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I was I was going to miss the game I
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yeah the birth was i' never miss uh him
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being born so um but yeah there was a
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deal once uh once the if it didn't Clash
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um then I was off you managed to do
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everything actually actually yeah that
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so sha and um sha and Kayla they must
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have had their baby round about the same
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time yeah so well sha had a milestone
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game du to play um in
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param and we didn't think that it was
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going to happen and then Kayla felt like
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she was going to be fine so she said get
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on your bike and go and obviously her
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being a professional sports swi herself
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knows what it's what it's like and how
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much she want to win so she sent him on
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his way and had full support and lucky
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enough that nothing happened while he
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was away and got to get back for the
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birth CU you did it I can't remember
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exactly what the line was but you did a
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like a media standup thing and you had a
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very funny line about that can you
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remember what was that something like if
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the baby if you got the call that the
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baby was coming on on game day what was
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your what was your joke I said if the
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baby's coming the morning of the game he
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can leave if it comes at half time then
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he's staying so that was a joke but yeah
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it was it was very funny yeah we were
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trying to trying to think ways what was
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his last cut off to get back on a plane
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that night what was the last flight so I
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think it was like 7:30 and I think he
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would have to have left around half time
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for him to get there if you thought it
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all out no we thought about everything
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doing so oh yeah so how did you and him
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meet uh we met her work actually she
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worked at the paramid eels I was a uh
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assistant coach 20s coach then um and
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yeah she rolled up and was in the office
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next to me so she was very shy um I was
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bit outgoing so so they got to meet we
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were friends I left the club and then um
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kept in contact and then yeah we started
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dating just before I left to come to the
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Warriors and then we just put it on ice
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for 12 months and then I said come on
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come over so she got to experience New
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Zealand 2016 oh how good I cuz when you
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did your your daily speech um for Coach
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of the Year you said she she's not
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interested in League knows nothing about
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League not interested but she worked at
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the club she must know well it's quite
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funny because she actually worked in a
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really important role she was in charge
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of typing up players contracts um like
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she could sit there and tell you what
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every person's salary was on like stuff
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that people in the press and media would
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love to know her friends would know and
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she couldn't even tell you what number
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they were on their back so she didn't
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she didn't care anything about it she
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just enjoyed her job enjoyed the people
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um yeah had zero interest in what
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actually was happening on the field she
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she got an understanding of it now more
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of an understanding no I would say no
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but what does she do for the games does
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she watch she goes she when people cheer
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she cheers she understands Tri um but I
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like it like that like it's like I think
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if I asked em to get involved and learn
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it and understand that she would I I
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like coming home and she just says good
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well done or bad luck you know and she's
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so neutral all the time she changes the
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subject when I've had a bad day at work
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into something else and we start talk
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about something else instead of coming
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home and going oh he was bad and giving
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me all this advice telling me what
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everyone was doing wrong or right she I
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come home and she's so neutral about it
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and supportive um really cares when we
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win and cares when we lose but she
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doesn't care about the detail of the
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game or how it happened or give advice
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so suppose that's your job in your
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business yeah she's a trooper yeah yeah
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there was um a hell of a speech you made
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so the Del M coach of the year did you
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feel like you were going to you were
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going to win I feel like it sort of had
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to be you oring that one really oh I
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think Kev wers too I mean I feel I feel
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the coach of the year is hard because um
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there's two coaches that are in the
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Grand Final and that was Kevin wers and
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Ivan clear and the award gets given that
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week so um I feel like they're probably
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the two best coaches of the year if you
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ask me um so they' done a great job but
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I was privileged to win it um I wouldn't
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say it was a goal of mine but to
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actually um Mal Mana to present me coach
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of the year was a huge honor you know
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that was that was amazing so he's an
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idol of mine growing up as a kid so yeah
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was he was a captain of Australia when I
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was a kid supporting and my sister was
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probably ringing him tell him what to do
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down the
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sideline but no it it was a great honor
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but yeah I I didn't think I was going to
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win I wasn't sure everyone told me I was
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going to um but yeah I didn't I didn't
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want to get ahead of myself there it was
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it was a great speech and um yeah you
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you started off by giving a shout out to
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M your wife you called her um a good
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sort a champ and the most beautiful
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woman in the room um it was a it was a
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great speech was she um she looked like
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she looked embarrassed but embarrassed
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in a good way what did she say when you
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sat back down oh no she yeah she was she
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was definitely embarrassed I mean M
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doesn't like attention um doesn't likes
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to be the Limelight she likes to be
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there in the backgrounds but um I think
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she was she's grateful that I I thanked
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for everything she' done because I
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wouldn't be a about it so I think she
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was really appreciative of that um but
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probably didn't need to do it on the on
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thetion on stage oh and I'm sure she I
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mean it's a lot of sacrifices the um the
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partners make so to give them that
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acknowledgement I think that's really
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cool yeah no definitely I mean I
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remember we got the job um was a big
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decision we we knew we were pregnant
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with Max or just or we were we were
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trying to one or the other and to go
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away from your your family or your first
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child um particularly when your
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husband's away every second week she's
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done a great job and you had um no notes
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and it felt like you said all the all
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the right things you acknowledged all
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the right people said all the right
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things did you sort of plan and you like
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how do you how do you do your speeches
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you sort of plan on your head what you
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were going to say if I plan I'm hopeless
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I would I'd fall over and wouldn't know
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what to say so but I mean I think it's
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pretty obvious you think the people you
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love you think the players because
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you're not there about the players and
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you think the people who gave you the
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opportunity and that was Cameron and
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Mark Robinson so um you know the players
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this year I'm a reflection of them so
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and when they do well um I get praised
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but the end they they're the ones making
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the tackles and scoring the tries so I I
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didn't think it was going to be
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complicated I was from the heart that's
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what I felt you know try not to
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complicate things and yeah oh we I
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thought it was a phenomenal speech yeah
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I just wanted if any s have thought went
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into it no not too much no yeah um and
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yeah one thing you did say is um you
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said um to your team I love you boys so
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much which um I I thought that was
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really significant I thought there was a
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like a to like to me that um almost
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seems like a rural sort of like culture
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shf or you know like you you mentioned
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Mel Mana before and players that you
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watch growing up there's no way like
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Wayne Bennett in the 990s would would
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tell tell his team he loves them like
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prob not I mean it's it's only it's only
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a word it's not that big a deal but I
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think the fact that you said on that
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stage I was like oh [ __ ] yeah well
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anyone knows me I'm scared to show me
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Show my emotions to what I think um I
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don't know I generally do that we got a
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great group of players but they're a
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great group of people you know you know
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they they work hard they get along you
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could sit down and have a one-on-one
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conversation with any of them and
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actually enjoy it they're um going
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through lots of things off the field
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like good and bad and you sort of ride
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the [ __ ] coaster with them like if I
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could tell you which I wouldn't um so
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many conversations of the um just some
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bad times and hardships that they all go
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through um and then obviously there's
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some real celebrations so I do I
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generally built relationships with these
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guys and I love them so I'm scared to
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say it it's really cool it was it was
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really cool and uh yeah have you always
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been quite sort of um you like
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vulnerable and good at showing um sort
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of vulnerability I think more so around
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myself yeah like around my own
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performance I'm pretty honest about
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myself and willing to show if I make a
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mistake for example I would admit it you
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know um I feel I'm okay with that I I
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suppose there was a stage in my life
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where like you say showing showing
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people how much you uh care for them is
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not always the uh mainly thing to do no
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especially with Australian and New
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Zealand males I think yeah that's true
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but um yeah I'm just real comfortable in
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my skin right now so I don't doesn't
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worry me to say that but I don't think I
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I'm not sure I would have been like that
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all all the time yeah so yes so so the
00:17:13
Warriors um phenomenal year this year
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you first came here 2015 for two years
00:17:17
that was your first NRL job uh assistant
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coach yeah yeah first assistant coach
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yeah I worked in the NL Pride tigers
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paramet as under 20s and I was like what
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you call it the transition coach where
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I'd help those 20s guys to transfer into
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NRL so but that yeah he was my first
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assistant coach job in the NRL and I was
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in charge of the attack and yeah I can
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still remember it feelings like such a
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huge responsibility at the time so how
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did the team how did the team do then um
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we missed the playoffs both years um
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first year we were top four halfway
00:17:53
through the year and I don't know if you
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remember sha broke his League against
00:17:55
Manley so um I know it's it sucks
00:17:59
relying on one on one play but he is
00:18:00
your halfback and we crushed and burned
00:18:02
at that time and then the next year we
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one game away from the top eight again
00:18:05
and failed unfortunately but I had two
00:18:07
great years here like learn a lot about
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myself and about New New Zealand culture
00:18:13
there is actually I feel there's a
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difference um and yeah it was just it
00:18:16
was an amazing time met so many friends
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and I I feel like I got miles better at
00:18:20
my job and still really grateful for
00:18:22
Andrew mcfaden what he taught me and
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responsibility he gave
00:18:26
me yeah so the um the the coach I have
00:18:30
sitting in front of me now like do you
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how how much of it is like parts of um
00:18:34
people that you've worked with along the
00:18:35
way like Andrew F Ivan clear yeah heaps
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I think the the the best thing I've
00:18:41
always learned from probably Ivan
00:18:44
particularly the last coach I worked
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with is always to be yourself and you
00:18:48
can't copy and paste everything and you
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got to take the best pieces and the
00:18:52
worst parts from wherever you've been
00:18:54
you got to implement them and why I
00:18:55
bring up the worst Parts is because you
00:18:57
learn lots of lessons when you see
00:18:58
things done the way you wouldn't do them
00:19:00
or the way you don't think they should
00:19:02
be done and then you get really excited
00:19:04
when you see a coach that reassures you
00:19:07
that this is actually the way to do it
00:19:09
um but yeah you got to have your own
00:19:11
style because if it's not authentic and
00:19:13
it's not you then the players read that
00:19:15
from a mile away and they think God this
00:19:16
guy's not being himself and the moment
00:19:18
that happens you're gone you got to make
00:19:20
sure you're yourself and you got your
00:19:22
own ideas and your own style and yeah I
00:19:24
feel like I'm real comfortable with that
00:19:25
at the moment yeah what what makes you
00:19:27
so good
00:19:28
I wouldn't I don't know come on come on
00:19:31
be honest um what I read about you
00:19:33
someone talked about just how good at
00:19:35
attacking you are like what the yeah
00:19:37
you've been called an attacking whz or a
00:19:39
mastermind so what what does that mean
00:19:41
exactly like I'm I I know probably as
00:19:43
much as your wife does about League I
00:19:45
don't know I think I think I've learned
00:19:46
to simplify things um so we got a great
00:19:50
um coaching staff uh and they're all got
00:19:53
their own roles and capacity um my last
00:19:56
job with the Panthers I was an attacking
00:19:57
coach but I got to work with probably
00:20:00
some of the best attacking players in
00:20:01
the world so that always helps but I
00:20:04
feel like you can complicate defense and
00:20:06
attack and rugby league in general and
00:20:08
if you have some real small focuses
00:20:10
instead of being a jack of all trades
00:20:12
and and and you're not a master of none
00:20:15
that's never going to get you where you
00:20:16
need to know so I don't try and cover
00:20:18
every facet of attack and defense all
00:20:20
the game rby League just try and focus
00:20:22
on what's the most important things and
00:20:24
instead of being just okay at it um we
00:20:26
want to be the world's best at it and
00:20:28
that's what we're trying to achieve so
00:20:30
so as as head coach you've got other
00:20:32
coaches um beneath
00:20:34
you so like so yes so what's your job
00:20:37
exactly I'm guessing a lot of it as like
00:20:38
you mentioned before about the intimate
00:20:40
conversations you have with some of the
00:20:41
players I'm guessing a lot of it as like
00:20:42
being almost like a counselor in a way
00:20:44
yeah it I definitely think it is I mean
00:20:46
you have so many one-onone conversations
00:20:48
you close the door talk to the
00:20:50
individual makings going well about
00:20:52
their football and about their home life
00:20:55
um I think my role is I've certainly got
00:20:57
a real standing an idea and how I think
00:21:00
we should play but I make sure that our
00:21:03
coaches believe the same thing and I
00:21:05
want to hear their ideas and I want to
00:21:06
make sure they're empowered and uh
00:21:08
they're in charge of different different
00:21:11
elements of our game and uh and actually
00:21:13
trust them and I do I trust them because
00:21:15
they're so good at their job so um that
00:21:18
enables me to free me up and um have
00:21:20
those one-on-one conversations but I
00:21:22
always still feel like I've I've got my
00:21:24
eye on the football and I got the my eye
00:21:27
on the detail I should say on what we're
00:21:29
doing every day yeah I'm not sure where
00:21:31
I heard this it may have been in a in a
00:21:32
podcast that one of the players did or I
00:21:34
may have read it somewhere but
00:21:35
um kind of kind of a bigest deal I guess
00:21:38
has been made of the fact that um
00:21:39
players have to walk past your open
00:21:41
office door when they arrive and when
00:21:43
they leave yep is that a thing or yeah
00:21:45
yes we got a door in one door in one
00:21:46
door out policy it's just just the way
00:21:48
our facil is really built really it's
00:21:51
just a design thing well it's just a
00:21:53
design field thing that like uh if
00:21:56
there's five or six do in the facility
00:21:58
that could get you to their sheds and if
00:22:01
they had a bad bad night and they wanted
00:22:03
to avoid you cuz they you know look to
00:22:06
beit tired or bad not sleep they could
00:22:08
they could go in the back door easy to
00:22:09
the sheds and you wouldn't even know you
00:22:11
wouldn't be able to read their body
00:22:12
language but you wouldn't be able to
00:22:14
check in and just build that
00:22:15
relationship anyway just a simple High
00:22:17
a um and then on the flip side let's say
00:22:20
things haven't gone well they haven't
00:22:21
trained great and then they just want to
00:22:23
leave in the back door they're going
00:22:25
home unhappy aren't they so they're not
00:22:27
feeling good about them elv as if they
00:22:28
walk partially they can sit down they
00:22:30
can clear it up uh you can say can I see
00:22:32
you for a second they can check them
00:22:34
with the coaches then they leave them
00:22:36
really good about it and feel like they
00:22:38
got things off the chest then they want
00:22:39
to come back the next day because if you
00:22:41
think about anyone's job if they want to
00:22:44
come back the next day they're going to
00:22:45
give you everything they've got as if
00:22:47
they don't want to come back they're not
00:22:48
enjoying it they're just going to give
00:22:50
you a half half ass effort aren't they
00:22:52
so that door is very much about the
00:22:55
facility but what it gives us is make
00:22:57
sure creates a bond between the coaches
00:22:59
and the players and make sure we we
00:23:01
clear things up and we just yeah create
00:23:03
those relationships so so so the players
00:23:06
like you and they want to play for you
00:23:08
well is that part of you'd have to ask
00:23:09
them but I'm not I'm not I'm not trying
00:23:12
to get them to like me I just hope that
00:23:14
yeah I hope that happens naturally so
00:23:17
I'm not it's I'm not saying I'm not
00:23:20
saying you have to like me or I'll do
00:23:21
whatever cuz if I just want to please
00:23:23
them yeah and be a pleaser then they're
00:23:26
going to see straight through that yeah
00:23:28
can't be everyone's mate can it can't be
00:23:29
everyone's mate but if it organically
00:23:31
happens and I'm honest and I show I care
00:23:33
about them and I listen to them then I
00:23:35
think we're going to get that anyway so
00:23:38
um yeah I'm yeah I'm not trying to be a
00:23:41
pleaser but I'm I I would rather be
00:23:43
friends of every single one of them and
00:23:46
um in Rugby Union uh the old blacks in
00:23:48
particular that Springs to mind for this
00:23:50
one they have like um a senior um
00:23:52
leadership group yep which uh you makes
00:23:55
a lot of the decisions and is sort of
00:23:56
involved in the process you have the
00:23:57
same sort of thing the year no no we um
00:24:01
we don't have a senior players group we
00:24:03
believe in everyone should lead and can
00:24:05
lead and should feel comfortable there's
00:24:07
guys who are more experienced players
00:24:09
and so therefore they've been around for
00:24:11
longer and they've got stronger opinions
00:24:13
and understand things a bit better so
00:24:16
they gradually will um promote their
00:24:19
opinions and their ideas and they'll
00:24:22
drive accountability naturally so we
00:24:24
don't sit in a room and go okay what do
00:24:26
you guys think as like leadership group
00:24:28
what do you think how this week worked
00:24:30
or how do you think that happened and
00:24:33
then we we yeah we just don't do that we
00:24:35
if I feel like I need someone's idea
00:24:37
from a leader like tohu Harris is a
00:24:38
great captain always have conversations
00:24:41
I'll call them in I'll ask them their
00:24:42
opinion I'll get five or six guys with
00:24:45
their opinion or I might throw it to the
00:24:46
whole team so don't sit there in a
00:24:50
leadership group every week and and
00:24:51
discuss things yeah that's a good way
00:24:53
looking at it so it sort of removes that
00:24:54
US versus them yeah potential mentality
00:24:57
well sometimes leaders lead from a from
00:25:00
a way where they think that's only what
00:25:02
they think is best and they probably
00:25:03
don't ask the group enough and some
00:25:05
great leaders do and I've worked with
00:25:07
some great leadership groups and and got
00:25:09
to sit there and be a part of it and
00:25:11
watch how well they lead uh I'm not
00:25:13
saying it's not the best thing for every
00:25:14
group but we just found last year it
00:25:16
wasn't the best thing for us we needed
00:25:18
to all all take some
00:25:20
responsibility um take some ownership of
00:25:23
our performance together and um if
00:25:26
you're a young 20y old and you lead
00:25:28
respectfully then you can lead so if
00:25:30
you're a a 30-y old player that's had
00:25:33
200 games experienced well I certainly
00:25:35
hope you are going to lead because you
00:25:37
got so many experiences in your rugby
00:25:39
league life yeah um this might be a dumb
00:25:42
question probably one of many dumb
00:25:44
questions as I said I know less about
00:25:45
rugby league than than your wife does um
00:25:48
could could you could you coach Rugby
00:25:50
Union you know there's players that make
00:25:51
the switch with varying degrees of
00:25:53
success you've got Roger to vus shb uh
00:25:56
he he's done very well at rugby could
00:25:59
you know feels like a lot of what you're
00:26:01
doing is is like managing people which
00:26:03
is surely transferable between codes
00:26:06
could you coach Rugby Union or no
00:26:08
certainly not no well lots of lots of
00:26:10
League coaches transfer to Rugby Union
00:26:13
and become say defensive coach or
00:26:15
whatever um but I I I think it's such a
00:26:18
specialist game and I would never
00:26:20
undermine or what's the word
00:26:22
disrespect uh Rugby Union and and all
00:26:25
those great coaches to just suggest that
00:26:28
I could go and do it um would I could I
00:26:32
help and be a part of a small part of it
00:26:35
and and kind of look and and give advice
00:26:38
but certainly not on the x's and the O's
00:26:40
and the details because I just don't
00:26:42
understand it but you know we have great
00:26:44
rby Union coaches that come to our
00:26:45
training and we go to their training
00:26:48
because there there are parts of the
00:26:49
game that are similar we can learn off
00:26:51
it but certainly not arrogant enough or
00:26:53
[ __ ] enough to think that I could jump
00:26:54
in their shoes and and do what they do
00:26:56
well Ted so went from went from American
00:26:59
football to soccer by the way are you a
00:27:01
fan of that show have you watched that
00:27:03
show love that show love good our whole
00:27:05
team watches that show yeah so it's how
00:27:07
how much of that is sort of you know I
00:27:11
this sounds like a dumb thing to say but
00:27:12
how much of it is sort sort of realistic
00:27:14
uh I think I think um the the
00:27:17
relationships are realistic I don't know
00:27:20
some of the stuff certainly not you
00:27:22
wouldn't get away with um just how
00:27:24
relaxed Ted is about some issues but he
00:27:27
doesn't sweat the uh small stuff does he
00:27:30
you know and um he he really has his big
00:27:33
focus on making sure the players believe
00:27:35
in themselves which I've got a I got a
00:27:37
huge belief in that too so um yeah this
00:27:40
parts that are pretty cool and they
00:27:42
certainly have fun and that's what we
00:27:44
want to do we have fun so there's so
00:27:46
much
00:27:47
Ted I can't believe I bought I'm sorry
00:27:50
the boys bring it up okay hypothetical
00:27:52
question say you had like a Jamie tart
00:27:54
on your team like a precocious player
00:27:57
star player like gifted Talent or
00:27:59
whatever but was an absolute [ __ ]
00:28:01
pain in the eyes to be around disruptive
00:28:03
to the team what would you do you you I
00:28:06
wouldn't I wouldn't throw him away
00:28:08
straight away that's for sure I wouldn't
00:28:10
I'm not like let's just get rid of that
00:28:12
guy work with them um probably try and
00:28:16
break down why why they're acting like
00:28:18
that and why they think they're better
00:28:21
than someone else or why they're not
00:28:24
willing to do certain things I mean
00:28:26
Jamie [ __ ] in that show was super
00:28:28
talented but he felt like he didn't need
00:28:29
to connect with the group at all and not
00:28:32
every player likes each other but you
00:28:34
should you should respect each other
00:28:36
enough that you're willing to just show
00:28:37
each other respect and connect so um I'd
00:28:40
probably just work with him break break
00:28:42
those walls down communicate with him
00:28:44
and just say look every the team's going
00:28:46
this direction you're going the opposite
00:28:47
so I'm going to work you're going to
00:28:48
have to work on this or it's see later
00:28:52
but um if because everyone's not roll in
00:28:54
the same direction you're in trouble
00:28:55
with cow and then shows it
00:28:58
that just sounds like so much work
00:29:00
getting every Rong in the same direction
00:29:01
like there's so many different you talk
00:29:03
about like breaking down the personality
00:29:05
type and working out what's what's going
00:29:06
wrong with them or whatever it happens
00:29:08
to be but you know do that with one or
00:29:10
two people that's fine but when you're
00:29:12
talking a whole Squad that's a lot of
00:29:13
work yeah it's a lot of work but yeah
00:29:15
it's good we got 35 players I mean I'm
00:29:17
not the only one that helps
00:29:20
relationships like I said our system
00:29:21
coaches do but yeah i' I'd like to like
00:29:24
to think I'm across it as much as I can
00:29:26
be it's hard because um you know you
00:29:30
you're not a mind reader and I'm not I'm
00:29:32
not a trained psychologist so I'm don't
00:29:34
try to be I just try and be a friend and
00:29:36
listen and and make sure they're all
00:29:38
good where does this um like emotional
00:29:41
intelligence that you've got come from
00:29:44
is probably the way of been brought up
00:29:45
really yeah yeah I think I think we
00:29:47
could sit around the dinner table and we
00:29:49
could probably talk about most things um
00:29:52
and I I don't know I've just been lucky
00:29:53
I think being the youngest in my family
00:29:56
I've always been around older people and
00:29:58
um I'm extremely immature and extremely
00:30:02
mature um probably my whole life so when
00:30:04
I'm a kid I could be the silliest man in
00:30:07
the room and or silliest kid in the room
00:30:08
and I could also have a conversation
00:30:11
with an adult and I I think just being
00:30:12
the youngest can remember my mom would
00:30:14
drag me to restaurants and cafes with
00:30:17
her uh with her friends when I was um
00:30:19
still not ready for school so I'm sure
00:30:22
I've just been around older people and
00:30:24
and just learn it naturally I think no
00:30:25
one sat me down and give me a lesson in
00:30:28
it that's for sure yeah cuz how old are
00:30:29
you 41 41 yeah yeah so I'm I'm 50 and
00:30:33
for like for guys us age you know 40s or
00:30:35
50s it's like it's it wasn't the way we
00:30:37
were raised was it to like to show
00:30:39
vulnerability and to yeah you know sort
00:30:42
of show emotion and you tell people you
00:30:43
love them back to that thing again yeah
00:30:45
well yeah my family certainly told each
00:30:47
other they loved them yeah I can
00:30:49
remember I wasn't allowed to get out of
00:30:51
the car my mate was in the car next to
00:30:53
me not say I loved you m i get shot so
00:30:57
um but you're right like just the more
00:30:58
manly you got um probably in your
00:31:01
teenage lives you weren't meant to be
00:31:03
like that but yeah a lot of love in our
00:31:05
family a lot of love in our house so um
00:31:09
yeah I like I said I was getting back to
00:31:10
it I think I felt we felt comfortable we
00:31:12
could be like that in house yeah I think
00:31:14
it's something you you touched upon
00:31:15
earlier it's you're you're comfortable
00:31:17
in your own skin and with who you are I
00:31:19
think the more the more comfortable you
00:31:20
are in your own skin the more the less
00:31:22
you give a [ __ ] about that stuff and
00:31:23
about the image you're portraying yeah
00:31:25
definitely yeah um how do you how do you
00:31:28
coach someone with um flare and
00:31:29
Brilliance like like a a Nathan Clary or
00:31:32
a sha Johnson don't get in their
00:31:35
way just make sure they're happy let
00:31:37
them let them be them yeah let them um
00:31:40
what do you say let a let an artist
00:31:43
what's the word um feel like they can be
00:31:46
as flar and as enjoy let them Express
00:31:49
themselves that's the best way to say so
00:31:51
someone who's that brilliant if they
00:31:52
can't express themselves then I don't
00:31:54
think you're going to get good results
00:31:56
as long as with the team Dynamic uh go
00:31:59
for it I mean I think Nathan if you'd
00:32:02
say was worked so hard to where Nathan
00:32:05
clear he his his flare has come from
00:32:08
hard work as he's probably not naturally
00:32:10
flaring as someone like sha who uh has
00:32:14
been extremely flare his whole career
00:32:15
has actually still got that a part of
00:32:18
him but he's got even more control about
00:32:20
him so it's funny how the flare can
00:32:22
leave you and come back and and you can
00:32:25
you can work out what when you should
00:32:27
use it when you shouldn't and I think
00:32:29
those two boys have got it down pat at
00:32:31
the
00:32:32
moment yeah CU like a lot of a lot of
00:32:34
coaches would come along and see SE how
00:32:36
was sea now what is he 30 33 33 so yeah
00:32:40
so you came along last year he was 32 a
00:32:41
lot of coaches would come along want to
00:32:43
stamp their Mark think you his best days
00:32:45
are behind him potentially because he
00:32:46
hadn't been that awesome the years
00:32:49
leading up to that um but but you I mean
00:32:53
it looks like Shawn Johnson from 10
00:32:54
years ago it's like he he looks so happy
00:32:56
out there yeah and he's done such a
00:32:58
phenomenal job yeah I think being back
00:33:00
in New Zealand being with his family
00:33:02
made him so happy um I think he had a
00:33:04
real ambition that he was like I'm not
00:33:05
going to finish this way um so he went
00:33:08
after it um did I have faith in Sean yes
00:33:11
I did I told him I said look this is the
00:33:13
end um don't let it be this way I think
00:33:16
you got more in you and I told him that
00:33:19
um I want you to stay and play um but
00:33:21
you're going to have to earn everything
00:33:22
it's not going to be given or guaranteed
00:33:25
and I'm never s a more guy go after it
00:33:28
and the way trained in pre-season U then
00:33:31
he grew in confidence and then what he
00:33:33
did for the team was
00:33:35
amazing so um let's wind back the clock
00:33:38
and go to um getting the job so did you
00:33:41
apply for it or were you like shoulder
00:33:43
ta no I got a phone call about it I
00:33:45
didn't apply yeah I got a phone call
00:33:47
saying look where um Nathan Browns just
00:33:49
reside um and if you want the job let us
00:33:53
know U and if you do we're going to come
00:33:56
back and have a chat to you so said yes
00:33:58
I want the job and then the COO come and
00:34:00
Jo said right well next time I talk to
00:34:03
you it's going to be yours to lose so I
00:34:05
knew I was a pretty good shot then you
00:34:07
um you were assistant coach at the time
00:34:09
at the penth Panthers under Ivan clear
00:34:12
um you must have had people saying what
00:34:13
the [ __ ] are you doing withby yes like
00:34:17
like what's happening in um penth at the
00:34:19
moment it's like they're creating a
00:34:20
dynasty right yeah it's like a
00:34:22
phenomenal setup and uh you you could
00:34:24
have been cushy there for however many
00:34:27
years and then eventually Ivan will
00:34:28
leave and it'll roll over to you look I
00:34:31
I don't think Ed would have rolled on to
00:34:32
me I mean that there's a lot of good
00:34:34
coaches of the Panthers so I'd never
00:34:36
suggest that but um the thing for me was
00:34:40
I didn't want to be a coach at any NL
00:34:41
Club I there was a few that I wanted to
00:34:44
be a coach at and the Warriors is one of
00:34:46
those um why well I've worked here feel
00:34:49
connected to the club I felt like I I
00:34:51
knew the culture of New Zealand and I
00:34:54
love the people and you got to like love
00:34:56
living where
00:34:57
you know going to work and like I
00:34:59
mentioned before I love love this place
00:35:01
so um yeah it was a no-brainer for me
00:35:04
and um did I have thoughts about cheese
00:35:07
were doing weren a good thing here at
00:35:08
Panthers I could be part of this for a
00:35:10
long time of course I did but i'
00:35:12
literally never been happier in my life
00:35:13
like we had great friends um football
00:35:16
was going great really connected to the
00:35:18
community but um I also was like you
00:35:22
know what I want to be a head coach I
00:35:24
love the New Zealand I love the Warriors
00:35:26
I feel like can have an impact um I felt
00:35:29
that Cameron George and Mark Robinson
00:35:31
really sold the ambition of what was
00:35:33
going to happen in this place and I
00:35:34
wanted to be a part of it so in the end
00:35:37
it was a no-brainer but yeah there was I
00:35:39
had to still do my checklist yeah so so
00:35:41
you come up with um with some sort of
00:35:43
like a a game plan or a strategy I'm
00:35:45
guessing what were the sort of um kpis
00:35:48
like like I'm from an outside's
00:35:50
perspective again I'm a I'm a bandwagon
00:35:52
jumper and I'll I'll jump on a bandwagon
00:35:54
that's traveling very very fast I'll
00:35:56
wait
00:35:57
um but like it's it seemed like there
00:36:00
was going to be like potentially years
00:36:02
of rebuilding you know especially if you
00:36:04
think back to like use the parallels
00:36:06
between like the pinth Panthers like
00:36:07
there was a couple of [ __ ] years before
00:36:08
they started making playoffs right yeah
00:36:11
I think um people were telling me I was
00:36:14
mad I was I didn't want to come out in
00:36:16
the media and say this is a rebuild I
00:36:18
didn't want to try and I felt like
00:36:20
people do that to buy themselves time
00:36:22
they want a lower expectation of the
00:36:24
board members they want a lower
00:36:26
expectation of the fans but whilst
00:36:29
they're lowering these expectations
00:36:30
they're constantly telling the players
00:36:32
through the public eye that they're not
00:36:34
good enough so they're saying this is a
00:36:37
rebuild we don't have the team to do it
00:36:38
yet give us three years so if you're one
00:36:40
of those players how do how do you feel
00:36:43
when you hear your coach say that about
00:36:45
all time so I'm I'm chips all in like I
00:36:48
don't care what people thinks I don't
00:36:50
care if they hold it against me and they
00:36:52
say you said Webby this I was like we're
00:36:54
going to get that confident as aou group
00:36:57
um then we feel like we can actually do
00:36:59
something so there was no rebuilding for
00:37:01
me I didn't have a kpi around top eight
00:37:04
or anything like that our goal is to win
00:37:06
the comp like every other club in the NL
00:37:08
there's not one club in the NL doesn't
00:37:10
want to win the comp so our kpi was the
00:37:12
exact same we W going to lower it by say
00:37:14
top eight we weren going to say let's
00:37:16
make sure it's top four or let's just
00:37:18
not come last there's nothing stupid
00:37:21
like that we were just going after let's
00:37:23
not come last let's not come last
00:37:27
let's not come let's not get the wooden
00:37:28
spoon again yeah so there was none of
00:37:30
that our whole thing was let's win as
00:37:33
many games as we can let's not come last
00:37:35
let's crack up um but I mean like
00:37:38
previous years it's the Warriors have
00:37:40
been one of those teams where Midway
00:37:42
through the season you always look at
00:37:44
mathematical chances like oh if the if
00:37:45
the Titans win this weekend and such and
00:37:47
such then we've got a chance of making
00:37:49
the top eight but there was none of that
00:37:51
was even needed this year like it just
00:37:53
it was like a hot knife going through
00:37:55
butter well we want to be consistent
00:37:58
like um want to be consistent in our
00:38:01
performance alone results
00:38:03
like I'd say this all the time but I
00:38:05
think we lost three in a row I think we
00:38:06
lost three good teams um we came home
00:38:09
here and we came home to sellout C crb
00:38:13
against Red Cliff dolphins and I I just
00:38:16
I couldn't believe off the back with
00:38:18
three losses in a row that the crowd was
00:38:21
still supporting us so I know there's a
00:38:23
loyal call fan wherever you go um but I
00:38:26
felt like the warriors were fans were
00:38:28
something different like like they were
00:38:29
proud of the way we were playing so
00:38:32
whilst we didn't win during that period
00:38:33
we we really were that the fans were
00:38:36
proud and so was I I was like boys look
00:38:38
you're playing really good football here
00:38:40
um and then as a result we went out and
00:38:42
had a crack a night that and we went on
00:38:43
a run and won lots of games of football
00:38:45
so our big thing was even when we lost
00:38:48
we'll be consistent and when we won were
00:38:50
we consistent because there was games we
00:38:52
won and we weren't happy about the way
00:38:53
we played yeah even though the
00:38:55
scoreboard looked good um in our four
00:38:57
Wars at work we were lighten up that's
00:38:58
not that's not how we want to be that's
00:39:00
not our standard so without boring
00:39:03
everyone like as long as we're proud of
00:39:05
our performance like our whole thing is
00:39:07
about winning so winning is our business
00:39:09
we understand that but you got to make
00:39:11
sure you're proud of the way you
00:39:13
play yeah when you lose those three
00:39:15
games in a row is there I mean do you
00:39:18
feel the heat well I've only had one
00:39:21
crack at it and there was that that
00:39:22
three times I didn't tonight I didn't
00:39:24
feel it I felt like we're playing good
00:39:25
football the group was happy but like we
00:39:28
could see lot of the tunnel um yeah I
00:39:32
mean you know three in a row is not fun
00:39:34
like I didn't enjoy I didn't enjoy it
00:39:37
but um I certainly didn't feel any
00:39:39
pressure at that stage now yeah and then
00:39:41
um so then the home game against the
00:39:43
Dolphins is that the Wayne Bennett team
00:39:44
yep yeah are you intimidated by him what
00:39:47
are you what's your relationship like
00:39:48
with Wayne Bennett do you look up to him
00:39:50
no look up to him he's incredible yeah
00:39:52
great coach lucky enough to spend a bit
00:39:54
of time um watching him Co coach um when
00:39:57
he was at the Newcastle night so um yeah
00:40:00
what what what can you take from him
00:40:01
like it's been an outstanding career
00:40:02
what's made him so good well I think way
00:40:04
so dry in the metor and stuff like that
00:40:06
but I think he's the best of putting his
00:40:08
arm around a player that I like he's
00:40:10
very very good at that he's very good at
00:40:12
making I think the players feel like
00:40:13
it's their idea so I've seen him take
00:40:16
drills and then he say to a player going
00:40:18
you take this and then he manipulates
00:40:20
the drill but then everyone thinks the
00:40:22
players come up with it like he's just
00:40:24
he's very smart and classy that um yeah
00:40:28
and generally obviously looks like he
00:40:29
cares about his players so he's
00:40:32
about in the time I spent with him I
00:40:35
couldn't believe how many times he asked
00:40:36
them how their family were or their mom
00:40:38
and dad or something like that so yeah
00:40:41
he's amazing but I didn't get
00:40:42
intimidated by those guys because I'm
00:40:44
not tackling them you know what I mean
00:40:45
like we're coaches so he sits on the
00:40:48
other side of the field I sit on this
00:40:49
side of the field and there's no
00:40:52
intimidation after yeah also you've got
00:40:54
the uh the delm award for Coach of the
00:40:56
Year which you you carry around with you
00:40:57
everywhere I'm guessing what what do you
00:40:59
get for that is it a a medal a trophy
00:41:01
what is that uh just a big trophy of
00:41:03
obviously it's the daum night is after
00:41:06
Da and messenger which is a famous
00:41:08
player a long time ago so um everyone
00:41:11
gets a like a a trophy of him and it's
00:41:16
big and heavy and yeah I gave it to my
00:41:19
mom and dad to put on their their mental
00:41:21
piece at home just say thank you for
00:41:22
everything they're done yeah so you've
00:41:25
got no sort of
00:41:27
trophies or memorability or anything at
00:41:29
your own place uh yeah got a Warriors my
00:41:31
Warriors jersey from from round one we
00:41:34
got that on the wall I was lucky enough
00:41:35
the club gifted that to me which I was
00:41:37
really grateful for because I never
00:41:38
thought that would come or expect that
00:41:40
to come um and how do you mean you never
00:41:43
as in you being a head coach of an NL
00:41:45
team well there things that happen for
00:41:47
players they get jerseys I've never seen
00:41:48
a head coach a debutant jersey so that
00:41:51
was that was really nice I Lov that
00:41:53
actually meant a lot to me um you got
00:41:56
that on on a wall upstairs but no got if
00:41:59
you walked into our house you wouldn't
00:42:01
see much football stuff at all um hence
00:42:04
why my my wife likes that because she's
00:42:06
not she's not into football but um I
00:42:09
don't know I just I just yeah I like
00:42:12
it's not to say that I won't have a man
00:42:14
shed one day with things in it but yeah
00:42:16
right now I don't throw them out or
00:42:18
throw them away it's just um I don't
00:42:20
have them on display anym yeah you I
00:42:23
suppose you're at that point of your
00:42:24
career where you're just too busy
00:42:25
focusing on what's next that it's not
00:42:27
time to pause and reflect although did
00:42:28
you do that at the end of the last
00:42:30
season yeah no definitely I'm I yeah I
00:42:32
definitely did I mean I'm not not one of
00:42:35
those guys who has to move on straight
00:42:37
away um I like to just pause and
00:42:40
celebrate and will pause and reflect um
00:42:44
because I I want this to be fun I want
00:42:46
to enjoy it I don't want it to be so
00:42:49
stressful that I I don't even get to
00:42:51
enjoy of the good times and people say
00:42:53
oh that's not a successful mindset well
00:42:55
they can go and get stuffed that's
00:42:57
that's not how I am I I like to enjoy it
00:43:00
and okay well done now get over yourself
00:43:03
let's go win the next one but I have
00:43:05
that moment yeah it's like what would
00:43:07
Ted do Ted you enjoy he's having fun
00:43:11
okay so what does an average day look
00:43:12
like you you guys start pretty early he
00:43:15
yeah yeah um everyone's got to be there
00:43:17
by 7:45 um we got our first meeting at
00:43:20
7:45 yeah um but they're they're in way
00:43:22
before that I think the players have be
00:43:24
there from sort of 6:45 on
00:43:26
stretching getting ready for the day
00:43:28
getting physio treatment whatever they
00:43:29
got to do us coaches we arrive probably
00:43:32
between 5:30 and 6 I'd say yeah so
00:43:35
you're [ __ ] me yeah no early start
00:43:37
of the day yeah really yeah that seems
00:43:40
unnecessarily early no it's not well
00:43:42
it's like this you got to prepare for
00:43:44
the day ahead and what do you mean
00:43:45
exactly well we have a coaches meeting
00:43:47
at 7 o' so there's a huge amount of
00:43:50
cutting of Clips so you got to probably
00:43:51
work back from the day before if that
00:43:53
makes sense so let's say Monday's happen
00:43:55
as a field session so we've gone out and
00:43:57
trained and come off uh and we got a
00:44:00
drone that films our whole training and
00:44:02
then we cut what the boys did really
00:44:04
well what they didn't the boys cut their
00:44:05
own Vision downstairs then we come
00:44:07
upstairs and we have have one-on-one
00:44:10
video with the players and then the next
00:44:12
day we got to take some of those clips
00:44:14
and put them into unit group so backs
00:44:16
and forwards attack defense last plays
00:44:20
which is special teams like Stacy Jones
00:44:22
is in charge of so there's lots of stuff
00:44:25
we do and you got all that information
00:44:28
that you've just you've just um put
00:44:30
together from the day before so what are
00:44:31
you going to do with it now so we make
00:44:33
sure we're getting we get organized we
00:44:35
know how we're going to do it players
00:44:37
are in different teams for training so
00:44:39
yeah there's lots that go into it so I
00:44:42
think you're looking from sort of
00:44:43
arriving that time to leaving between
00:44:46
sort of 4:30 and 6 o00 that's probably
00:44:48
an average day
00:44:51
yeah I think that'll surprise a lot of
00:44:53
people yeah I think but which which is
00:44:55
fair enough I think I think people think
00:44:56
you turn up um you go out you throw some
00:45:00
cones on the field you train and you
00:45:01
leave and you go to the gym a couple of
00:45:03
times go to the gym you that's not how
00:45:05
it works no like a player a players got
00:45:08
a full full schedule they go home
00:45:10
exhausted but
00:45:11
today um and no one trust me they're all
00:45:14
grateful for their jobs they're not
00:45:16
feeling sorry for themselves like
00:45:17
they've got it good but uh they work
00:45:19
hard manate yeah they work really hard
00:45:21
and our coaches work really hard too and
00:45:23
so do our like conditioners and so do
00:45:25
our phys
00:45:26
and there's so many people in the
00:45:28
organization that world long hours how
00:45:31
much of um what you've implemented since
00:45:34
you've been here is as like pinth
00:45:35
Panther's IP Oregon is definitely part
00:45:38
of it yeah yeah well has it's part of
00:45:41
you I couldn't give you a percentage of
00:45:43
it but um I mean I refuse to copy and
00:45:47
paste the whole pen program because it
00:45:50
doesn't necessarily suit our players but
00:45:53
there's things that I've learned for
00:45:54
penth that i' been an absolute idiot not
00:45:56
to not to use the Warriors it's a
00:45:59
winning team why not yeah that's it so
00:46:01
there so many things there that we use
00:46:03
but I made a mistake a long time ago I I
00:46:06
worked at one team had a lot of success
00:46:09
took that same philosophy and that same
00:46:10
ideas to another team and it was
00:46:13
terrible so you got to make sure it
00:46:15
works for your team there's things that
00:46:17
the Panthers there's things that the
00:46:18
Broncos there's things that all these
00:46:20
really good teams do that will work at
00:46:23
every single NRL team if you implement
00:46:26
them right and you know why you're doing
00:46:27
them and you can coach it properly so
00:46:29
you'd be mad not to do those things but
00:46:31
there's also things that just wouldn't
00:46:32
suit our boys
00:46:34
yeah yeah You' you you've done the work
00:46:36
he like you you've really done the work
00:46:38
like if if you look into your your you
00:46:40
your backstory you player coach in the
00:46:42
states for a while yeah uh was that your
00:46:44
first coaching job yeah yeah yeah yeah
00:46:47
yeah you don't I don't know if there's
00:46:48
much of a rugby league culture
00:46:50
in so where were you I was in
00:46:52
Connecticut World CS place just outside
00:46:55
of man and I think there was 10 teams at
00:46:57
the time and I was 23 I had long hair I
00:47:01
got the job did you like a surfy yeah
00:47:03
like a surfy but I couldn't surf um and
00:47:06
I was like I'm going to travel with
00:47:07
football I'm going to have some fun but
00:47:08
I realized that I'm not going to make it
00:47:11
um I'm going to go on have phone I got
00:47:13
got a job as a captain coach he gave me
00:47:14
a job uh a house and a car so that was
00:47:17
pretty cool and then I went and did that
00:47:19
for six months and then I was like I
00:47:20
want to give this a crack so then I
00:47:22
moved to England and got an opportunity
00:47:24
over there yeah so so you've done the uh
00:47:27
you've done the apprenticeship yep um
00:47:30
and I'm guessing they weren't they
00:47:31
weren't big paying jobs or anything
00:47:34
so how long did you give
00:47:36
yourself uh I didn't give a number like
00:47:39
I have a different stages I'm I'm going
00:47:40
to go after this and do that and I
00:47:42
quickly learned that's not the way to do
00:47:44
it so um coaching's very patient game
00:47:47
and I hadn't played at an elite level I
00:47:49
didn't have a reputation as this great
00:47:52
player that was going to automatically
00:47:53
transition as a player and those guys
00:47:56
kind of deserve that because they they
00:47:58
played for origin they played for
00:47:59
Australia they played for New Zealand
00:48:00
they deserve that that faster transition
00:48:03
um so I knew I was going to have to work
00:48:04
hard at it but my whole thing was I just
00:48:06
wanted to get paid for something that I
00:48:08
love doing and I was like what am I
00:48:10
going to do now once I knew I was going
00:48:12
to make I was like I have to coach
00:48:14
because I still love rubby League I
00:48:16
actually think I really know it I think
00:48:18
I could be good at this so instead of
00:48:20
just chasing and doing something I
00:48:22
didn't like doesn't mean I didn't have
00:48:23
to do lots of other little jobs I hated
00:48:26
to get there but um yeah I was I was
00:48:29
going to go after it and didn't matter
00:48:31
how long it
00:48:33
took that's amazing um I've heard uh in
00:48:38
interviews um the players talk about a
00:48:40
thing called Extreme ownership yep
00:48:42
extreme what's that exactly what does
00:48:43
that mean is that a Navy SEAL thing yeah
00:48:45
it's not a big piece of our it's not a
00:48:48
big piece of our puzzle like it's not a
00:48:50
I think I've read in a few places though
00:48:51
yeah yeah no it is so it's it's
00:48:53
something we did we did an exercise one
00:48:55
day were I just didn't feel like we were
00:48:57
owning what um we weren't owning our
00:49:00
good stuff we weren't owning the bad
00:49:02
stuff so uh if people made a mistake I
00:49:04
didn't think there was any there was
00:49:07
really any ownership around their
00:49:09
mistake or what was happening I didn't
00:49:10
think there was any ownership around
00:49:11
their performance so they were getting
00:49:13
everything handed on a platter and they
00:49:16
weren't actually going and digging and
00:49:17
watching their own own training sessions
00:49:19
their own games um they're basically
00:49:22
expecting everyone else to do it for
00:49:23
them so yeah
00:49:26
there was a video that I watched online
00:49:28
it was around extreme ownership I
00:49:29
thought that's unbelievably relevant to
00:49:31
where we are right now and I felt there
00:49:33
was a lot of blame on others rather than
00:49:36
themselves thought there was a lot of
00:49:37
denial like that didn't happen and I
00:49:40
just wanted to just wanted to sort a few
00:49:42
boys out and so some of you guys are
00:49:45
this right now in the room and some of
00:49:47
you guys are AR so yeah we just did a
00:49:50
little exercise and watched the video
00:49:52
and yeah we just just said who who can
00:49:56
start living this a little bit more than
00:49:58
than being the other way yeah so you say
00:50:01
that's not a big part of the the puzzle
00:50:03
what what are some of the big pieces of
00:50:04
the Warriors puzzle what like what are
00:50:05
some of the sort of um like pillars or
00:50:07
cornerstones yeah I think I think the
00:50:09
biggest thing is we got to have fun we
00:50:11
go home tired every day but we have fun
00:50:13
and Fun's not um Fun's not always
00:50:17
laughter so laughing is a huge part of
00:50:19
being fun but like if you want to laugh
00:50:21
you can laugh that's fine but the best
00:50:23
biggest thing is if you enjoy something
00:50:25
I think and you've had a great day and
00:50:27
it's been like I said the word fun and
00:50:29
you probably feel a part of it feel like
00:50:31
you've had had a say on what's happened
00:50:33
feel like you've got better so you've
00:50:35
grown a little bit feel like you belong
00:50:37
at the place so actually Everyone likes
00:50:40
you being there and you feel safe to be
00:50:41
yourself and if you're all those things
00:50:44
that equals fun and then if you laugh a
00:50:46
little bit more and then we can make it
00:50:48
an enjoyable environment then people are
00:50:50
going to like I said come back to work
00:50:52
so but they'll go home tired cuz we're
00:50:54
going to work bloody hard
00:50:56
if if there was someone that was um like
00:50:58
a good laugh and really popular and
00:51:01
fitted into the team really well and
00:51:03
wasn't necessarily the best player in
00:51:04
that position would you still keep them
00:51:06
around uh yeah for the balance I would
00:51:09
so there's a salary cap there's a price
00:51:10
there's money uh if that player fits
00:51:12
into that that bracket and we got enough
00:51:16
depth and I feel like he's gonna I feel
00:51:18
like you need guys like that they might
00:51:20
not be the best players in the world but
00:51:22
they add so much to your culture um
00:51:25
you know laughter fun um and they're
00:51:28
really good humans and yeah you want
00:51:30
them around who who is it in the the
00:51:32
current Warrior Squad like who are the
00:51:33
who are the pranksters or the Jokers or
00:51:35
um the prankster is Dylan well he's not
00:51:38
a prankster he's just he's just funny
00:51:40
he's Dylan Walker he says it how it is
00:51:41
Bailey serin was certainly that last
00:51:43
year he's certainly popular guy and a a
00:51:46
terrific human unfortunately he's left
00:51:49
because of Sal C his shoes we would love
00:51:50
to C him but yeah there's a few there's
00:51:53
a few like that I mean Dylan's got
00:51:55
amazing um skill where he can be really
00:51:58
immature and have fun and and then the
00:52:01
moment football comes to be real serious
00:52:03
and switch on because he's super
00:52:04
competitive and he wants to win so yeah
00:52:06
there's a few like that and toou Harris
00:52:09
your your captain how's his body he
00:52:11
seemed to have like every game I watched
00:52:13
last year he had extra bandages on each
00:52:15
game yeah no is he Hanging On by a
00:52:17
thread no he's fine yeah toys is going
00:52:19
great his body's good he he just he's
00:52:21
played for a long time you know he's and
00:52:23
he plays tough he plays 80 minutes most
00:52:25
times and um I feel like he just
00:52:28
understands his body and he's got little
00:52:30
bits of strapping that help him and
00:52:32
there probably probably looks like
00:52:34
there's a lot more sure he'd rather get
00:52:36
rid of a bit of it but um yeah he just
00:52:38
knows what works for him what he needs
00:52:40
to needs to tape up so one I think it's
00:52:42
some of it's precaution and some of it
00:52:45
he needs it so but yeah everyone ask me
00:52:47
that all time he's fine yeah and what um
00:52:50
what are your thoughts on the the bunker
00:52:52
ref situation CU again as I said before
00:52:54
I'm a b won jumper but the games I
00:52:56
watched last year it just seems alarming
00:52:59
there does seem to be a definite sort of
00:53:01
bias against the Warriors it's like
00:53:03
every single decision sort of gets
00:53:06
questioned yeah look I I don't see any
00:53:09
bias not at all like I don't say anyone
00:53:12
questioning the Warriors or I don't
00:53:14
think any refere no not at all no just
00:53:17
I'm not that guy I don't I don't think
00:53:19
there's any excuses if we lose that the
00:53:21
referee the bunk has got it wrong I just
00:53:24
don't believe in that so do they make
00:53:26
mistakes and frustrate the hell out of
00:53:27
me yes of course they do um have they
00:53:30
got some real big ones wrong yes but so
00:53:32
have we we've made some big mistakes
00:53:35
this year too so um I'm not saying it's
00:53:37
okay but I'm not going to use it as an
00:53:39
excuse and I certainly don't think
00:53:41
there's any bias against the Warriors if
00:53:42
anything I think the whole um the whole
00:53:45
the rubby League have fall in love with
00:53:47
the Warriors so I think they want us to
00:53:49
do well but it doesn't mean they're not
00:53:51
going to get things right you you get do
00:53:53
you get fined if a few you speak to the
00:53:55
media afterwards and you [ __ ] about
00:53:57
yeah what's sort of fine what is it I
00:53:59
don't know I think it's 5 10K oh yeah
00:54:01
does the club pay for that or no you pay
00:54:03
for oh yeah I wouldn't be saying
00:54:05
anything about the bunker R either no
00:54:08
well there safe space here I I I just
00:54:11
wouldn't I just yeah yeah I'll get done
00:54:14
eventually but I'm trying my hardest
00:54:16
okay but when when um do you know Jason
00:54:18
Paris yeah like person when he he put a
00:54:21
tweet out last year do you are you
00:54:23
familiar with this you must be familiar
00:54:24
with this yeah of course yeah um I was
00:54:26
doing a public speaking thing the next
00:54:28
day and there were all these Marketing
00:54:30
Executives there they were like oh yeah
00:54:31
it's fine what he said but the Optics
00:54:33
the Optics aren't good let sort of
00:54:34
marketing speak but um as coach first of
00:54:38
all he just showed how passionate he was
00:54:40
about the Warriors and it wasn't as as
00:54:43
one NZ CEO loves loves us you know so
00:54:46
he's frustrated and um yeah just
00:54:50
probably the head of the moment I can't
00:54:51
speak for Jason but yeah like he's but
00:54:53
as as a coach will you secretly pleased
00:54:55
when he did it like yeah I stayed out of
00:54:57
it like you know J Jay you know he's had
00:55:00
his opinion and you I just can't be like
00:55:02
that so yeah I I just I love all our
00:55:06
fans and our sponsors how passionate
00:55:08
about us are and yeah um and the Heat of
00:55:10
the M battle things get said and done
00:55:13
but yeah as the coach I I just got I
00:55:15
can't be like that yeah yes speaking of
00:55:17
the fans and I suppose in particular
00:55:20
from a like a cultural phenomenon of
00:55:21
what what's happened the past year I
00:55:23
mean this afternoon I went to reel sport
00:55:25
I thought I'll buy a couple of caps and
00:55:27
get you to sign them no merch available
00:55:29
there was like one one supporter singlet
00:55:32
left which was like a 4XL and that was
00:55:34
it like I mean the the the support from
00:55:38
last season that's going to carry on to
00:55:39
this season it's just it's just massive
00:55:42
yeah when did you first hear um up the
00:55:44
was where does that come from do you
00:55:46
know anything about that yeah I can
00:55:48
remember someone was ask me is it should
00:55:50
it be up the W or should be um going
00:55:53
going you know going it's
00:55:55
yeah you aware of that one that was of
00:55:57
course I yeah so I was like and I said
00:56:00
well I'm hearing up the W is taking over
00:56:03
I think up the W as you walk down the
00:56:04
street someone just turns around goes up
00:56:06
the W like it's a way of like connecting
00:56:08
quickly and go how good and then I think
00:56:11
um I think the other one is more of a
00:56:13
chant you know so yeah I when I first
00:56:16
heard it like that and then I just
00:56:18
couldn't believe how quickly and then
00:56:20
there was a song and then everyone was
00:56:22
like just everywhere he went was up the
00:56:24
W I was wedding in Australia and there's
00:56:26
no Warriors fans there and they were
00:56:28
they were um cheersing each other after
00:56:31
each speech saying up the wi so what for
00:56:34
your being AIT or no no no just up thewi
00:56:37
just it just become a thing where if
00:56:39
it's good then it's
00:56:41
up so you've got you don't know where it
00:56:43
started or the origin I saw some threat
00:56:46
online someone was saying uh it was um
00:56:49
created by some new zealanders that live
00:56:51
in Australia a few a few years ago and
00:56:53
it it's an acronym it means we are home
00:56:55
soon for the Warriors but I don't know
00:56:57
seems apparently but there you go I
00:56:59
don't know I I suspect there's probably
00:57:01
a few stories like that yeah but it's
00:57:03
it's great though way you you and the
00:57:05
the the team must have felt it and must
00:57:07
have felt the love and the support of
00:57:08
the nation but also the weight of the
00:57:09
nation yeah the the love was
00:57:11
unbelievable the support like I said we
00:57:13
so I think we sold out in the stadium 10
00:57:15
times this year which is unbelievable I
00:57:17
think it's our best crowds for the whole
00:57:20
season since since 95 which is the first
00:57:23
year so um
00:57:25
everywhere we went because we played a
00:57:27
few games we played um in napr like I
00:57:29
said we played in Wellington I played a
00:57:31
trial in Christ Church just the support
00:57:34
it was unbelievable so um humbling it's
00:57:37
humbling yeah it's it's humbling felt
00:57:39
like a real responsibility people stop
00:57:41
me on the street and say thank you for
00:57:42
you're done for our country I mean I'm
00:57:44
an Australian that blows me away so yeah
00:57:47
it's it's really cool um we just want to
00:57:49
make sure we can stay consistent and
00:57:51
keep them happy yeah and and it was
00:57:53
overlapping uh with a rugby World Cup as
00:57:55
well which makes it even more remarkable
00:57:57
yeah it was yeah um but how do you how
00:58:01
do you cope with the pressure like how
00:58:02
like cu the expectation is you know you
00:58:05
go a step further or even two steps
00:58:06
further yeah in the next season but it's
00:58:09
like success isn't always linear like
00:58:11
that is it no I mean I think the only
00:58:13
pressure I I have is the pressure I put
00:58:16
on myself I mean at the end of the day I
00:58:19
if I know we can prepare well and we've
00:58:21
worked hard and we've given them every
00:58:22
chance the players and the players are
00:58:25
buying in then we're going to give
00:58:27
ourselves a chance to win and um it is a
00:58:29
nerve-racking 80 minutes but that's
00:58:31
probably the only time I feel the
00:58:32
pressure during the game I I don't
00:58:35
everyone thinks I'm really calm but I'm
00:58:36
not as calm as people think but um the
00:58:38
ladup to games I don't get nervous um I
00:58:41
haven't felt the pressure but let's be
00:58:43
honest we the worst we did was lose
00:58:45
three in a row this year so I'm sure
00:58:47
there's going to be times in my career
00:58:48
where's that five or six and you're
00:58:50
really going to really going to find out
00:58:52
what I'm what I'm like under pressure
00:58:54
but right now now I feel comfortable
00:58:55
with it yeah yeah what are you like no
00:58:57
one gets to 41 years old without sort of
00:58:59
facing um some sort of adversity what
00:59:02
what is it what is it for you like where
00:59:04
does your resilience come from what's
00:59:06
some of the I think my adversity has
00:59:08
been the fact that it hasn't been easy
00:59:09
for me like I
00:59:11
wasn't didn't play NRL I just wasn't one
00:59:15
of the best players I had to worked hard
00:59:17
I had to clean rby League football
00:59:19
stands I had to you know be security
00:59:21
jobs I have to do everything to get here
00:59:23
so um I've had to volunteer so I think
00:59:27
my resilience comes from the fact that
00:59:30
um you know it hasn't been my path
00:59:32
hasn't been easy and I've had to work
00:59:33
hard to get here and I I don't want to
00:59:35
lose it I'm here now I want to be B of
00:59:38
winning cultures for the rest of my
00:59:40
coaching Cur so yeah I think that's
00:59:43
where it comes from yeah and and so you
00:59:45
were here on a three-year deal and it's
00:59:46
been extended well you were here on a
00:59:48
2-year deal and it's been extended for
00:59:49
five years three year deal so obviously
00:59:52
done one of them now and now I've got a
00:59:55
a three-year extension on top of the two
00:59:57
remaining so 5 years in total from now
00:59:59
yeah what's what's the um this is a dumb
01:00:02
question the ultimate goal on that time
01:00:03
is to like win a Premiership yeah it's
01:00:06
like sustain success so I'm going to win
01:00:08
as many Grand finals as we can I me
01:00:10
people might laugh and say you won't get
01:00:12
one of those but I don't care like what
01:00:14
they think I just I want us to go after
01:00:16
it and have a real crack at it um but
01:00:20
you know have sustain success you know
01:00:21
win win as many games as we can and make
01:00:24
fans constantly proud of us so that
01:00:27
we're not constantly down the bottom
01:00:29
we're constantly up the top and give
01:00:31
ourselves a chance to win oh that's so
01:00:34
good would you would you ultimately like
01:00:36
to spend your entire career here yeah
01:00:39
I'm happy to yeah I love New Zeal I love
01:00:41
the Warriors I mean the only way I'm
01:00:43
going to leave is if one the club thinks
01:00:46
my time's up or I think I can't give any
01:00:49
more to the club meaning I feel like
01:00:51
they need someone new so some fresh
01:00:53
ideas some fresh ideas is but I I've I
01:00:56
think there's two or three coaches in
01:00:58
the game that have really stayed at a
01:01:00
club for a long period of time like way
01:01:02
benett did at the Broncos for a long
01:01:04
time Craig belly and Trent Robinson's
01:01:07
doing at the roosters i't starting to do
01:01:09
it at the Panthers so uh it's definitely
01:01:12
possible to do because it's not easy not
01:01:14
many Do It um but if I was good enough
01:01:17
um to do that that'd be that'd be great
01:01:19
while ever I'm enjoying it here I don't
01:01:20
want to go anywhere so yeah oh we we
01:01:23
love you here I speak on behalf of the
01:01:25
whole nation yeah it's phenomenal what's
01:01:28
happened in the past year um it's
01:01:29
incredible yeah it's just it's yeah it's
01:01:33
great to have you in New Zealand as a
01:01:34
New Zealander yeah cool no thank you
01:01:36
it's great to be um one thing I I do
01:01:39
like to ask all my guest is about their
01:01:40
um their mental health how's your mental
01:01:42
health because I feel like by asking
01:01:44
this question it just sort of normalizes
01:01:46
the the conversation your mental health
01:01:48
been good over the years or I've been
01:01:50
really lucky I'm lots of U friends and
01:01:53
family have OB struggled with it I mean
01:01:55
it's pretty common Now isn't it I think
01:01:57
especially people are more willing to
01:01:59
talk about it um and my mental Health's
01:02:02
really
01:02:03
good um I don't know I've got a good
01:02:06
balance in my life I'm not suggesting
01:02:07
it's going to be like that all the time
01:02:09
I'm not arrogant enough to think that
01:02:11
everything's going to be Rosy I've
01:02:12
spoken to real strong people that have
01:02:14
gone through had nervous breakdowns had
01:02:16
tough times uh and they would have
01:02:18
laughed if you ever told them that that
01:02:20
was going to happen to them so I don't
01:02:22
think we're all bulletproof um but know
01:02:24
I'm I'm lucky right now I'm good and um
01:02:27
the biggest thing is I think it's the
01:02:29
bravest bravest thing you can do if
01:02:31
you're struggling with mental health or
01:02:33
things aren't going us actually say
01:02:34
something as um I think it used to be
01:02:37
you were weak if you said something so
01:02:39
it's gone from weak to being brave which
01:02:41
I think's awesome yeah well I had um I
01:02:45
don't know if you're familiar with the
01:02:46
uh the old all black coach John Hart yep
01:02:48
uh John will yeah I do it I personally
01:02:51
oh of course yeah he was connected with
01:02:52
the club so he was on the podcast and he
01:02:55
he talked about um he was actually I I
01:02:57
was really surprised he talked this way
01:02:59
so he got back from the 1999 Rugby World
01:03:02
Cup where the old blacks got excuse me
01:03:04
beat him by France and knocked out early
01:03:06
he came back and yeah they were he went
01:03:08
to a horse race meet and someone spat on
01:03:10
him in a bathroom and people throwing
01:03:12
beer cans at his horse homes DG um and
01:03:15
he he said he didn't recognize it at the
01:03:17
time but he was in a like deep
01:03:18
depression for two years where couldn't
01:03:20
leave the house some days yeah um and he
01:03:23
was like a man he was in his 50s at the
01:03:25
time and you know that's very successful
01:03:28
man very successful yeah just knocked
01:03:30
him knocked him to his core there you go
01:03:32
not been to anyone so yeah do you guys
01:03:34
have um like a team psych sports
01:03:36
psychologist or yeah we got um four
01:03:38
welfare managers so we' got we got um
01:03:42
that I wouldn't say the word covered is
01:03:44
wrong because you never got it covered
01:03:46
you always got to be ready for it D be
01:03:48
cross it but um we got four guys that
01:03:50
are in that in that line of work that
01:03:52
that's their role to make sure
01:03:53
everyone's SP spaces as as good as it
01:03:55
possibly can be and if they if they've
01:03:58
got some stuff going on in their lives
01:04:00
they can help them with it um and it's
01:04:03
also my responsibility to help with that
01:04:05
too so um yeah and we got a we got a
01:04:08
really good team of people who care
01:04:09
about these boys so yeah it's awesome
01:04:12
yeah brilliant all right hey well weeby
01:04:14
can I call you weeby you can I feel like
01:04:15
we're mates now go wh mates oh should we
01:04:18
do a shy together not not yet we're
01:04:20
going to win the grand fin have you have
01:04:22
you ever done a shy I'm sure I've done
01:04:24
plenty what do what do you mean you sure
01:04:26
you've done plenty yes or no yes I'm I
01:04:28
gather I have but what do you mean you
01:04:30
gather you have when I was younger mate
01:04:32
I would have U I would have given it a
01:04:33
credit how long have sh's been a thing
01:04:35
sh's been a thing for a long time that I
01:04:37
know right right yeah I feel like the
01:04:39
origins are rooted in Australia and it's
01:04:41
just sort of become International um so
01:04:44
if you win if you win a a grand final
01:04:46
you do a shy for sure yeah I'll do out
01:04:49
of sha Johnson's boot if you like all
01:04:53
right hey um mate It's been a pleasure
01:04:54
to sit down with you today thank you so
01:04:56
much um I've got a lot out of this and I
01:04:58
hope the um the people that listen or
01:05:00
watch this um take some learnings from
01:05:01
this as well you're an inspirational
01:05:03
inspirational guy no thank you thank you
01:05:05
so much having it's a pleasure to be
01:05:06
here and um I hope everyone listen to
01:05:08
your podcast man it's a beauty let's go
01:05:10
on let's go on go the wise out the wise
01:05:14
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