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all right everybody Welcome to uh the
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Allin inauguration special we are here
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in town uh to celebrate Andor
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commiserate the second term of Donald
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Trump depending on where you sit on the
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political spectrum and we are extremely
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lucky to have a partner in Spotify who
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has given us a box yes we're in a glass
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box on the street they really splurged
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and got a trailer it's absolutely
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fantastic but we thank them for their
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host us it's very cool uh with me today
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of course my co-host shth poaa and David
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freeberg who is a little under the
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weather because let's be honest
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freedberg you've been out there you and
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Lex took on the town last night I had a
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good time with Lex Freedman last night
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it was good let's leave it at that let's
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leave it at that yeah that sounds great
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it's been a couple nights in a row I'm
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pretty beat jamaath you have a very busy
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social schedule and uh you've been just
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bouncing around town with the Who's Who
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and taking CR for Donald Trump's Victory
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how's the Victory lap going here cuz you
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played such a key role here by coming
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out and being even more unlikable in our
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hometown of the Bay Area and supporting
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Trump I'm a small bit player a bit
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player but as you said to me in the car
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over here you were the folc room that
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started the boulder that created the win
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I said none of that but uh I think more
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changes are coming Jason maybe to our
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home state of California let's see let's
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see um let's see phase two we're
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extremely um honored to have Tom Emer
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here he is the US representative from
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The Amazing state of Minnesota home of
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Bob Dyan Prince and the Cohen Brothers
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and Tim Walls and Tim
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Walls coming in hot already well let's
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start
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there let's start there um how much of a
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disaster uh was the Democratic party and
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when you watched what happened with
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Biden in all seriousness do you think
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there was a cover up in terms of his
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mental acuity and what do you think of
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kamla's job out there not doing podcasts
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and uh essentially being anointed and
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not having a primary the Democratic
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party seems lost crooked and crooked
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okay yeah I mean the leadership I I got
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good friends who are Democrats so I
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don't I'm not going to disparage them
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but uh first Jason all of you thank you
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it's nice to be on Allin I heard
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everybody's heard about it everybody
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wants to be here so it's just nice that
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and you promised you'd listen to it
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after this right
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actually I listened last week sadly it
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was about the fires but uh uh the
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uh the way they did this uh was if you
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think about it ballot access is a big
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thing you you have to run for uh months
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and you have to get delegates and you
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have to make your case state by state
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and you have to meet certain
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requirements to actually end up on the
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ballot how the Democrats are able to
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remove move Joe Biden literally uh in a
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coup a back room coup and install kamla
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Harris in a matter of hours or days uh
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and avoid any convention uh like real
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democracy taking place where people are
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debating their candidates and where
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they're at and then to your your uh
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other question that that's wrong but
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your other question was uh Joe Biden was
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there a coverup I a coverup is when you
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don't see it when you don't know about
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it when you're totally unaware this
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wasn't a coverup this was a conspiracy
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everybody in this town for four years
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watched when he came in he was already
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diminished and watch him continue to
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diminish over the course of his uh over
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the course of his uh uh term it was the
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mainstream media that refused to
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actually comment on it and then it was
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amazing overnight when uh he has the
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debate last June it's like oh my gosh
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this is terrible look at this and and
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suddenly it was like they'd never seen
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it before this was a conspiracy by a
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left-wing media that uh they're littered
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with people who have a partisan View and
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they write about it they create stories
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about it and they don't tell you the
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whole story if you were here let's go
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down this pull this thread a little bit
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more because you said the the Democrats
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themselves are good people some of them
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many of them you know but then the
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leadership you said was corrupt so just
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can you help us understand who is the
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leadership and then how does the
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corruption play out what does the
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corruption look like well remember I'm
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on the Republican side yeah no but I'm
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but I I can tell you what I watch what I
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watch is there were two times that they
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literally whoever they are it would be
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the superdelegates it a lot of people
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would say it's the Obamas it's the
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clintons it's the you know by original
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that's the that's the boogeyman for what
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it's worth that people point to at least
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when you're not in DC like if somebody
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said who who are the leadership elected
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or otherwise that runs a Democratic
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party a lot of people would point to the
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Obamas and then some of these super
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donors is that sort of your perception
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of how it works it is and the reason I I
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go back as you'll remember Bernie
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Sanders is marching towards the
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Democratic nomination right and they get
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to South Carolina and all of a sudden
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Amy kashar from my state it's just one
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after another I'm out I'm out I support
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uh Joe Biden right clearly the
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whoever that is because you're right
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we're not in the room to see is it the
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Obamas is it uh Consultants like
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Carville or Axel Rod or whoever who is
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in that room yeah uh but whoever's in
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that room they have a plan when it gets
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to the end and I I never thought Joe uh
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Biden was going to be the
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candidate and that's not how the
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Republican Party operates because I
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think some people in the public have
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this perception that both parties
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operate that way that there is a cabal
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of the the most influential and
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ultimately they end up getting to pick
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and the other party does the same thing
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is that not the case no and clearly that
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wasn't the case with Trump right yeah no
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ours I I would say that watching from
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the outside again we're not on the
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inside of the Democrat machine but
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watching from the outside that's a top-
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down process on the Republican side
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that's a bottom up process and uh Donald
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Trump is the best example of best
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example because uh people in this town
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you know especially in the house where I
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serve are like you know we we got the
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American people we have a mandate and
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you got to remind them yeah no no Donald
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Trump has a mandate he got 77 million
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votes we got a little less than 75
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million so if you're looking at who
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literally is expanding this party and
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pulling this party over the line it's
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one guy it's Donald Trump so to your
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point do you view him the party leader I
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do so to your point this was a almost
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like a Donald Trump hostile takeover of
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the Republicans meaning if you look at
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the establishment rhetoric of what
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Republicans stood for I don't think
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Trump really cared he had a point of
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view and he had his own intellectual
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agenda and ideology and to your point 77
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million people said I go with that do
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you think that that's possible on the
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Democratic side as well do you think
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that there's a different ideology that
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needs to be born there I can only tell
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you the experience I've had with one of
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my Minnesota colleagues who I I won't
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name him but he might have run against
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the uh sitting president I he he was we
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were talking on the house floor one day
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and I was uh complaining to or giving
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him a hard time I should say about some
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of the
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uh off-color remarks coming from the
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squad and he made a point of telling me
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off color sorry off color H well let's
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just say there were some anti-semitic uh
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comments uh All About the Benjamins this
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stuff and there was a centure that was
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being worked on oh wow yeah and uh uh it
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was public but the point is when I was
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saying boy you've had quite a week he
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goes oh yeah yeah he says that's a very
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small group of people in our party with
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very large voices and my response to him
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was okay well that might be true but
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then people like you have to stand up
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and speak up and take my grandfather's
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Democrat Party back exactly and so no I
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think they've got a problem identity
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politics which they've perfected and
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been playing for years it has now come
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back to bite them and there's where is
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the way out they don't have a brand they
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don't know who they are they they
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they're fighting about things like men
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participating in in women's sports I
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mean it just it isn't resonating with
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the American people so they're they're
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going to have to figure that out for the
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future but on our side we're going to
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have to figure out Donald Trump is the
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one that pulled this across the line
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here's here's the problem with the
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Republican party for me the last 30
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years we've had great people
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representing us but the public has been
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very frustrated because it seems like
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government and the bureau rats always
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get a better deal right than the average
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citizen in this country right we're
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talking about Main Street we're not
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talking about Silicon Valley which has
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its own Main Street but I'm talking
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about just good old Main Street USA you
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know where it's rural country it's uh
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you know people who are just trying to
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live their lives they feel like their
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government hasn't been listening to them
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for years this is what spawned the tea
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party this is why we've had this over
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and over and Donald Trump you got to
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give him credit this energy was out
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there and he actually grabbed it and he
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showed us what it looked like when he
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ran in 16 and he took the time to
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understand it or or he just innately has
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an ability to read people better than
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I've ever seen yeah I mean I think he is
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a generational retail politician
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generational I think he's a one in 150
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year leader yeah freeberg you have a lot
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of thoughts on fiscal responsibility and
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have been bangging the drum on the
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national debt Tom you also have a
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passion for responsibility maybe you
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have some butts on that freeberg or
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maybe you can tell us your point of view
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on how much of an impact Doge can have I
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don't know if you've talked and what you
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think reconciliation is going to look
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like I mean this is going to be a very
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gnarly pitch battle here how how do we
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get two trillion out of the why you st
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bug exactly why are you stopping at well
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actually let's ask that question is two
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even possible and if so how do you think
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you can get $2 trillion out of it so I'd
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rather let's do it two ways I'd rather I
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look at what's uh what could we put on
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the table and we do this privately so
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you won't get me to say what it is where
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it is but I'll tell you there's a list
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that we've sat down with that uh reaches
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somewhere between five and seven
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trillion a year uh over the next 10
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years okay and the the uh that's what
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that two trillion would be over the next
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10 years okay I mean it listen if if
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you're the budget's 7.2 what's that the
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budget the annual budget 7.2 right so
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the goal is first we got to balance the
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budget you got to quit bleeding 1.5 to
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2.2 trillion oh it's another trillion
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yeah whatever you got to balance yeah
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second thing you got to do is start to
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bend the curve down we we got the
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greatest economy in the world it hasn't
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been performing where it could I I think
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with Donald Trump we can put it in place
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where it can you can see those revenues
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start to go up again and you if youve
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have this so you're controlling it you
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could pay that you could pay that down
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rather quickly I mean if you're talking
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in terms of a decade this requires
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sacrifice and it requires
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representatives from each City uh and
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each state to then go to their
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constituents and say hey we fought to
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get you X Y and Z and you're only going
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to get X and Y yeah be careful some tell
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you they fight but they're not really
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fighting the uh I this this thing is
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going to happen because of Donald Trump
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I think I I leave it to Mike Johnson
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he's the speaker he will make these
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decisions I'm not got it I'm the whip
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whatever you tell me my job is to make
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sure we get it done and that's what
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we'll do but I think you're going to see
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a two trck process Mike Johnson for
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reconciliation has set a deadline he
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wants to vote on a budget resolution by
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the first week of February why is that
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important the budget resolution you have
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to have before you can even move forward
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with uh uh reconciliation that's usually
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pre-negotiated with the Senate so if we
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can keep with that aggressive timeline
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you'll have that back to the house
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sometime in February once you have that
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that allows your 12 subcommittees to get
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their allotment and start to build out
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their right 12 appropriation
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subcommittees build out their budgets
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Jason Smith our ways and means chair
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believes we can have that process done
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by the end of March Mike in again in
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this our speaker in this uh very
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aggressive timeline if that's possible
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he would like to vote on it in the house
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in the first two weeks of April this
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includes
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the tax permanency extensions Etc from
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the Trump tax cuts back in
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2017 if we're able to keep to that
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schedule then you could you could
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realistically have a Reconciliation Bill
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to president's Trump's desk by Memorial
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weekend let's just talk about the other
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long-term Challenge and your point of
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view on the solution what's going to
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happen to Social Security by 2030 2032
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2033 where's this headed why I think
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people are going to have to innovate and
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I think you got to honor the promises
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that have been made uh there are many
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different things out there that are
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being looked at like a voluntary program
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that people I in a certain range and
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this is above my my pay grade A Certain
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range age range y like I don't know 18
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to whatever it is that are just coming
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into this system that it would give them
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a choice right they would have a choice
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to stay in Social Security as we know it
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or to pursue a private route that will
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have Federal parameters so you can't
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just be putting it into a retirement
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account taking it out it would serve the
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same purpose but like Australia system
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the super system it would obviously and
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then it would grow the uh the private
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side yeah and sorry is that ultimately
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necessary we need to change Social
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Security and when do we have to change
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it by and now that the election is over
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because every politician is scared to
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talk about social security because
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everyone's got an election coming up are
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we going to hear something different
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this time around or is it always going
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to be the Kick the Can down the road
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with Social Security and weever it's
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just such a Golden Goose no one can talk
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about it no one can touch it Donald
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Trump was elected for three reasons one
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to fix uh our economic woses uh the
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inflation that's killed people uh get
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energy moving again seal the southern
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border and create peace and stability
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around the globe if we perform and I'm
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I'm going to change that because that's
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not really my attitude when we perform
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you start to build credibility with the
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American public then and only then can
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you start talking about because nobody
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believes us right right so in in the
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media plays games they try to pit us
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against each other with these different
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ideas the key is you have to honor the
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promises that have been made to
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Americans since Social Security was
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created and then you have to look
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forward and again we've said we're not
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going to touch Social Security uh
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Medicare and Medicaid that was the
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president who said that I got that but
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there are some uh efficiency things
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reforms that you can do around these
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programs that actually will make them uh
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not only more uh uh viable financially
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but more efficient should Americans be
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able to trade cryptocurrency freely
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without regulations or do you think
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those regulations are in place for a
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good reason well you're you're talking
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so you remember Animal House with the
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evil and the good on the shoulders I I
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had that last night and the evil one and
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well I got the libertarian and the uh
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Republican with a small r on either one
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libertarian always wins for me but yeah
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well and it it used to for me but I
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realized that I was a republican with a
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small R when I was doing a radio show
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with an anarchist for several months and
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all he ever said was shut her down she's
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pumping mud and it's like oh I must be a
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republican I the libertarian says
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absolutely okay I the Republican with a
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small r i I think the key is going to be
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we have the the greatest Financial
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system markets here in the United States
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in the world all we have an existing
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Legacy two-tier banking system uh it
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needs to come into the 21st century the
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beauty of crypto to me is not just that
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it's crypto one it's going to help us if
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Congress does its job if we put some
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parameters up Market structure you know
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give people rules of the road so they
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know what they can and can't do and
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who's going to be uh having
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responsibility for oversight we can
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protect the existing two-tier Legacy
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system yeah and allow it time to move
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into the 21st century I think the the
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key is and this is why the central
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Bankers are so worried this is so
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disruptive and potentially destructive
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that they're scared to death it's not
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just losing their power they're they're
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afraid that uh this decentralization is
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going to somehow send Finance back to
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the uh I suppose there are also a
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concern that consumers maybe who are not
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super sophisticated or new to it might
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lose their money and yesterday Trump
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launched a $30 billion yeah coin uh
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which we refer to on the internet as a
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coin or a meme coin are you troubled by
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him doing something like that was that a
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wise decision on his part I don't know
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time will tell about that he seems to
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make some pretty good decisions they've
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uh they've done you got work on the
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regulations for that so if he can do
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that can we all just do it and take any
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you could have done it too oh well it
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was a the SEC previously would have um
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actually gone after you for um taking
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money from retail investors ding dong
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the witch is dead now we're going to be
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moving forward with a new SEC got it
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okay so
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YOLO What's that YOLO YOLO you only live
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once just go for it my uh my staff gives
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me a hard time because I don't know all
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those cute quips yeah but you're you're
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cool with it you're cool with him doing
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a coin 24 hours before I have no problem
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did you see the mem that said Baron
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apparently had his dad's phone last
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night made a billion
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dollar I love the baron memes they're my
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favorite they call him the Lian alib
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which if you like if you watch Dune is
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like he's the Savior that's sent in Dune
00:18:44
to basically save all of us it's
00:18:46
definitely going to be an interesting
00:18:47
four years uh let's talk about right now
00:18:49
Jason is about to implode Congressman
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what you're seeing is him melting down
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has a big like negative bias against um
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these coins no no no I have a bias
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against stealing meanwhile you want
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every ret you want every retail investor
00:19:01
to have access to buy startups and
00:19:03
because that that'll benefit you but
00:19:04
when it comes to coins you're like oh no
00:19:06
one should be able to do that no I'll
00:19:07
address that I think there should be a
00:19:08
sophisticated investor test where people
00:19:11
learn about things like diversification
00:19:14
they learn who owns 80% of the coins
00:19:16
that just been dumped on retail and
00:19:18
under what circumstance they can sell
00:19:20
them and you know there is a a
00:19:23
legitimate issue here that uh foreign
00:19:26
adversaries could just buy these coins
00:19:27
that influence the president I think
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that's a real concern that people should
00:19:30
have so you can diminish it you're it
00:19:33
it's actually a real issue I actually
00:19:34
agree with you like Securities
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regulations require and when you do an
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IPO you file an S1 and you disclose who
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owns the shares yes and it has to go on
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a regulated exchange so you know who the
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buyers of the shares are so I do
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actually think your framework is pretty
00:19:47
reasonable that it I thought you were
00:19:48
just mocking me well I do mock you yeah
00:19:50
in addition let's go to the next one
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then no no I do think that's right you
00:19:53
brought up the Border uh Steve Bannon
00:19:56
says huh I did you did you said the
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Border was one of the M re in his uh
00:20:02
mandate yeah so let's talk about that
00:20:03
part of the Mandate that you brought up
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uh Steve Bon says he's doing a great job
00:20:07
today's moderator you're doing I think
00:20:09
he's the only one that s they knock you
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down and then they build you up it's all
00:20:13
good I'm not paying attention to them
00:20:14
I'm paying attention to you this is
00:20:17
called management Steve Bannon said he
00:20:19
wants all 15 out day one so what's going
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on uh Steve Miller says America is for
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Americans and Americans
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only do you believe 15 million people
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should be dragged out of this country
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day one like Steve Bannon and Steve
00:20:31
Miller I I think we should look at what
00:20:33
the American people think so a New York
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Times of all Outlets had a poll that
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said uh it's like 80% I believe that
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criminals terrorists uh people who have
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committed uh bad offenses should be the
00:20:48
hell out of here yeah easy one to have
00:20:49
consensus on you no but then it starts
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to drop down yeah which is uh the next
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one is a uh oh I forget what the second
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one is it drops down about 60 but 55% of
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Americans believe any illegal immigrant
00:21:03
should be out of here how many 55% 55%
00:21:06
this in a New York po W what do you
00:21:09
think that'll do to the economy you
00:21:10
brought up inflation and we have to tame
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that we have 4% unemployment the lowest
00:21:14
of our lifetimes can I just tell you
00:21:16
agricultural um labor costs have climbed
00:21:19
by probably 3x in the last four or five
00:21:21
years yeah it's and there's not enough
00:21:23
labor to address kind of agricultural
00:21:25
production needs in this country
00:21:26
particularly in specialty crops it's the
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world I I work in how are we going to
00:21:31
kind of address both the kind of economy
00:21:33
economic demand for labor in this
00:21:35
country and address this kind of
00:21:37
immigration challenge you don't fix your
00:21:38
labor problem with h illegal immigration
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uh you fix it by fixing your immigration
00:21:45
system and making sure that it's working
00:21:47
the way it's supposed to by the way I
00:21:48
come from the state of Minnesota the two
00:21:50
primary drivers of our state's private
00:21:52
economy are manufacturing an EG I mean I
00:21:55
I've got huge uh operations of families
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that have bound together as a co-op that
00:22:02
they literally have to bring in foreign
00:22:04
workers and they they' built a Village
00:22:07
housing they have teachers but there's
00:22:10
there's the solution this idea and I
00:22:12
come from Minnesota which is why you
00:22:13
made the hair on the back of my neck
00:22:15
stand up the the argument is oh illegals
00:22:18
people who are here illegally and their
00:22:20
Advocates are bracing for Trump's
00:22:23
arrival and then they write an article
00:22:25
that says if they remove all these
00:22:26
people our economy is going to tank
00:22:29
stop it you you you've got laws for a
00:22:32
reason you got to enforce the laws that
00:22:33
are on the books and if they don't work
00:22:35
this is why we passed the strongest
00:22:37
border bill in 20 years with 222 members
00:22:41
in the last Congress which Chuck Schumer
00:22:43
never looked at they they wanted to say
00:22:45
that Trump killed the bipartisan bill
00:22:47
you realize the house bill did five
00:22:49
things finish the wall reform the parole
00:22:52
process reform Asylum uh end Catch and
00:22:55
Release and restore remain in Mexico
00:22:57
those were the five pillars that
00:22:59
so-called bipartisan Bill actually
00:23:01
codified catch and release said that if
00:23:04
you don't have emergency Authority on
00:23:06
the border until you have 5,000 plus one
00:23:09
coming across a day so we seem to have
00:23:11
the answer we seem to have you know
00:23:13
pretty solid consensus here and in the
00:23:15
country criminals who are basically
00:23:18
committing two crimes whatever crime
00:23:19
they committed here and coming cross the
00:23:20
border illegally they have no standing
00:23:23
they go but you seem to be um punting
00:23:26
and not answering the question of should
00:23:27
the 14.5 milon other people dragged out
00:23:30
of the country in year one so maybe you
00:23:31
can answer that one J's a journalist I
00:23:34
I'm telling you right now that Trump
00:23:35
trump was elected to get this what do
00:23:38
you think though you are from a state
00:23:39
where that's going to be highly
00:23:40
unpopular I I don't think you should be
00:23:42
here if you're illegal so all for all 15
00:23:44
million got to go in year one I don't
00:23:46
think you should be here if you're
00:23:47
illegal now you're you're painting with
00:23:49
a pretty broad brush you don't know what
00:23:52
specific using Steve Bannon and Steve
00:23:54
Miller have said so I'm just quoting
00:23:56
their words again I think the
00:23:59
the goal is to make sure Poss JD Vance
00:24:01
JD Vance came on our show and he said
00:24:03
hey you got to do the first thing first
00:24:04
and you know then the second thing
00:24:05
second and the third it's not all going
00:24:06
to happen on day one but yeah it's GNA
00:24:08
be well I'm trying to interpret that but
00:24:09
you're being straight so well actually I
00:24:12
resent that I am being straight I will
00:24:14
tell you Adar no I just want to know if
00:24:16
that this is I think there's a lot of
00:24:18
Americans who want to know if 15 million
00:24:20
people are literally going to be dragged
00:24:21
out this is a big question for the
00:24:23
American people are you going to drag 15
00:24:25
million people out the country or not
00:24:27
because Stephen Miller who seems to be
00:24:29
you know a big part of this
00:24:30
Administration and C Bannon who was the
00:24:31
architect of the previous administration
00:24:33
say that's actually going to happen
00:24:34
people are actually nervous about that
00:24:35
this is when we need sacks here to check
00:24:37
you to fact check you on whether those
00:24:39
guys have said that and the the problem
00:24:40
is you're using terms like dragged them
00:24:42
out no I mean they're going to start
00:24:44
with the worst of the worst in JD's uh
00:24:46
answer you start with those because you
00:24:48
know that this is going to have an
00:24:50
emotional aspect to it and guess what
00:24:52
yeah if you start doing it the way
00:24:53
you're supposed to do it I'm going to
00:24:55
suggest to you that a lot of them are
00:24:56
going to leave voluntarily and then if
00:24:58
we fix the system that we have then we
00:25:01
can start to restore this by the way
00:25:03
that's already happening because I've
00:25:04
heard from a lot of agricultural leaders
00:25:06
they're seeing labor depart the country
00:25:08
right now in anticipation of the
00:25:09
administrative change and a lot of Labor
00:25:11
is very scared of what's Happening they
00:25:13
don't want to be caught they just came
00:25:14
here for work these are individuals who
00:25:16
came to this country to work they
00:25:17
employed whether legally or illegally to
00:25:19
do work that's in demand in this country
00:25:21
and they're worried they're going to go
00:25:22
to jail so they're leaving and there's a
00:25:24
massive outl right now particularly in
00:25:26
rural areas there's a massive out right
00:25:28
now of Labor that's really critical to a
00:25:30
lot of those farming economies and that
00:25:31
a lot of people in the agricultural
00:25:33
sector are very nervous about what's
00:25:34
about to happen in the impact but let me
00:25:36
ask you another question do you think
00:25:38
and in align with elon's point of view
00:25:40
and some of the stuff that's been
00:25:41
promoted that there's a big Push by the
00:25:43
Democrats to keep the borders open to
00:25:46
create more voting Democrats in this
00:25:47
country that that's a big reason or
00:25:49
rationale for the alternative of you
00:25:52
know having illegal immigration then
00:25:53
converting everyone to Legal I think I I
00:25:55
think it's more basic than that I do
00:25:57
think there's a political element to it
00:25:59
states like Minnesota where the uh where
00:26:02
the traditional educated
00:26:05
I what entrepreneur yeah is leaving
00:26:09
they're being replaced with uh in many
00:26:12
cases with illegals yeah right because
00:26:15
we are a sanctuary state right so they
00:26:17
come into Minnesota whether they vote or
00:26:20
not that there is a big there is a big
00:26:22
argument that yes many of them are but I
00:26:26
think the bigger issue is how Congress
00:26:28
is uh divided up you're losing you're
00:26:31
hollowing out whether you're Illinois or
00:26:33
you're New York you're hollowing out
00:26:35
your state they bring illegals in and
00:26:38
Incredibly our census calculates them in
00:26:40
the uh numbers that doesn't make sense
00:26:43
no so you got these blue states that
00:26:45
mandering cartel just to try to how does
00:26:48
yeah I guess that's a longer
00:26:49
conversation and we probably need to
00:26:50
wrap up in a minute I never how that
00:26:51
works have a totally different question
00:26:53
something more fun the job of whip was
00:26:55
totally romanticized after House of C
00:26:58
that Ro you got to kill people well no
00:27:01
because you had you had spy you had spy
00:27:03
in this really famous scene you got an
00:27:05
interesting the Whip and saying when I
00:27:08
was Whi my job was to whip the votes and
00:27:10
then he was screaming into the phone
00:27:12
whip the votes and I just remember this
00:27:14
thinking now that seems like a really
00:27:16
cool job his nickname is Chairman
00:27:18
dictator just so you know he was voted
00:27:20
like number one commentator by Xing pan
00:27:23
Chinese Communist Party in the first
00:27:24
year of podcast I have a lot of
00:27:26
important people that look up to me yes
00:27:27
yeah uh but but just the job of whip is
00:27:31
it as enjoyable as it sounds so
00:27:33
everybody likes to say to me you got the
00:27:35
worst job in Washington DC I think the
00:27:37
speaker has the worst job in Washington
00:27:39
D that guy can be having a great day and
00:27:41
he's got all kinds of people that are
00:27:42
just throwing sandwiches at them all the
00:27:44
time the majority leader uh does a
00:27:47
calendar manages the floor works with
00:27:48
the chairs uh great job the whip you
00:27:52
don't get to do anything those guys want
00:27:54
to do unless we can actually get it
00:27:56
across the floor and the world has
00:27:58
changed I you know they I think well I
00:28:01
know they elected me because they
00:28:03
thought my personality is very direct I
00:28:05
am from uh Minnesota I get the sense
00:28:07
that you're incredibly effective or you
00:28:08
could whip the votes well but it's you
00:28:10
just got to be honest and you got to
00:28:11
respect everybody and and it's a
00:28:13
different world because we probably have
00:28:15
40% of our members who will vote for
00:28:17
whatever Mike Johnson says we're going
00:28:18
to put on the floor okay but we got 60%
00:28:21
and this is what's been changing I think
00:28:22
over the last couple of decades it keeps
00:28:24
getting larger they didn't come here to
00:28:28
follow somebody they came here to to
00:28:30
lead to represent their people and they
00:28:32
need to be involved in the process and
00:28:34
and what I tell them all the time I
00:28:35
don't care if you like each other I
00:28:37
don't care if you despise one another I
00:28:38
don't care if you socialize together or
00:28:40
the second you walk out of here you run
00:28:42
to two polar opposite places when you're
00:28:44
here the American people elected Donald
00:28:47
Trump and we have the benefit of uh a
00:28:50
majority see you're opening the votes
00:28:52
but that's what it is and I I tell them
00:28:53
you got to get over yourself we're going
00:28:55
to let everybody participate in the
00:28:57
process we're going to take all of your
00:28:58
ideas we put the uh the more Centrist
00:29:02
part of our our majority and the more uh
00:29:05
rightwing part of our party together and
00:29:09
that that list of uh savings Cuts
00:29:11
offsets I was talking about we privately
00:29:14
run that through small groups one at a
00:29:17
time so that they can talk to each other
00:29:20
right so that if if you come from a ruby
00:29:22
red District down south and I come from
00:29:25
a you know swingy swingy District in New
00:29:27
York York we can have a conversation
00:29:30
about why I can and can't do something
00:29:33
and why you will and won't do something
00:29:36
and at the end of the day this is how
00:29:38
you're successful everybody wants to be
00:29:40
involved it's it's hard only from the
00:29:42
aspect that you you can't afford to
00:29:44
leave anyone last question uh when you
00:29:46
saw the last week was pretty prolific in
00:29:48
terms of the Senate confirmation
00:29:50
hearings that started um I think we're
00:29:52
still waiting to figure out when Bobby
00:29:53
is going to come up like do you see any
00:29:56
push back who do you think who might not
00:29:58
make it who might not make it I think
00:30:00
everybody's making it I I think anybody
00:30:02
uh that listens to you guys or anything
00:30:05
that interview where they start saying
00:30:07
bringing this up we got to remind people
00:30:10
this has been the left's Playbook since
00:30:13
Robert Bourg yeah they started it with
00:30:15
Robert bour they took him out of his
00:30:17
Supreme Court appointment they uh they
00:30:20
did it to Clarence Thomas they really
00:30:22
did it to Kavanagh and look at this now
00:30:25
they've moved it to Cabinet picks right
00:30:28
and and Pete Heth is a great example
00:30:30
none of us is perfect but all of that
00:30:33
was Anonymous and I think once it
00:30:34
started going through the process and
00:30:36
somebody asked me this question a few
00:30:37
weeks ago I said yeah they're starting
00:30:39
with Pete Pete's going to get uh he's
00:30:41
going to get through the process they'll
00:30:43
move on to Tulsi then they'll move on to
00:30:45
Bobby Kennedy Jr right those will
00:30:47
probably be their their three biggest
00:30:49
ones that they'll attack yeah right I
00:30:51
mean my my perspective on this is that
00:30:53
to your point in the absence of somebody
00:30:56
being compromised it's not an IDE iCal
00:30:58
difference that should stop cabinet
00:30:59
picks on either side whoever is the
00:31:00
President should get to pick their team
00:31:02
put the team on the field that's the
00:31:03
Mandate he was given by the people and
00:31:05
then the people should get to vote it up
00:31:07
it's supposed to be an advisory capacity
00:31:08
right I mean the yeah Congressional it
00:31:10
is but the beauty of what Donald Trump
00:31:12
is doing you can't fix what's broken
00:31:15
with people that broke it he's going
00:31:17
outside of this godforsaken place and
00:31:20
bringing people in that have have
00:31:22
completely new ideas whether you like
00:31:24
them or not right come on folks let's
00:31:26
see what this does we've been doing the
00:31:28
same thing now for years which by the
00:31:29
way is what happened 250 years ago when
00:31:31
this okay wait Congressman last question
00:31:32
okay this is the last question Congress
00:31:34
last us give us the red an opinion you
00:31:37
said you listened to the Fire episode
00:31:39
that we did but just general from the
00:31:41
outside in as a Minnesotan looking at
00:31:43
California just diagnose what's going on
00:31:45
there it's it's more complicated than
00:31:48
the right and the left want to make it
00:31:50
seem but uh there definitely is a
00:31:53
problem it's not just limited to
00:31:55
California it's across this country with
00:31:57
not man in our resources the way we
00:31:59
should we had this problem in northern
00:32:02
Minnesota probably 20 years ago 25 years
00:32:05
ago we had a blow down in the bwca The
00:32:08
Boundary Waters canoe area you had all
00:32:10
those trees uh laying down they were
00:32:13
kindling right and I think our governor
00:32:15
at the time Jesse Ventura said he was
00:32:17
going to go in there and he was going to
00:32:18
log it right so we could protect the uh
00:32:21
citizens in their property and we could
00:32:23
actually make use of these uh trees that
00:32:25
have been destroyed in the storm uh the
00:32:28
federal government told him he couldn't
00:32:29
do it and of course we've had fires
00:32:33
right uh California this is tragic my
00:32:36
brother-in-law sent me a picture he
00:32:37
lives in Woodland Hills he sent me a
00:32:39
picture of flames at the end of his
00:32:41
culde-sac above the that's where my
00:32:43
parents live they probably live a couple
00:32:44
blocks from each other in Woodland Hills
00:32:46
two the fire sto two blocks from their
00:32:47
house yeah that's the picture he took
00:32:50
they might live did the winds just take
00:32:52
no so the uh the the the Ventura County
00:32:55
Line comes up to right there yeah and
00:32:57
the fire department did and I I calfire
00:32:59
and fire department are incredible they
00:33:00
stopped it from entering the
00:33:01
neighborhood that's amazing it was
00:33:03
amazing yeah very I don't know how his
00:33:04
house is still standing based on the
00:33:06
picture you sent Tom this has been
00:33:07
amazing you fit right in here appreciate
00:33:09
the honesty and candidness and we'd love
00:33:11
to have you back anytime I appreciate
00:33:13
the conflict I love that well I mean the
00:33:15
American people have this is why we love
00:33:16
job he got he got motivated we went to a
00:33:18
Spotify dinner last night and they were
00:33:19
talking about journalism he's like I'm a
00:33:20
journalist I'll show you guys I can
00:33:22
Journal I think it's a really important
00:33:24
conversation and you know the one thing
00:33:27
I'm a little concerned with is um just
00:33:30
some clarity because Trump has an
00:33:33
ability to say things in a in a in a
00:33:35
bold way in an effervescent way and then
00:33:38
you know sometimes these things actually
00:33:40
affect people and they want a little
00:33:41
more clarity so well and the whip has uh
00:33:44
has to find Clarity amongst 219 people
00:33:48
yeah good luck with that job appreciate
00:33:50
it thank you thank you you guys are fine
00:33:54
thanks okay everybody welcome back to
00:33:56
the all-in podcast we're here for the
00:33:59
inauguration of Donald Trump in his
00:34:01
second term and we're delighted to have
00:34:03
Eric swell with us today uh he is
00:34:06
obviously the house representative from
00:34:08
California and the Democratic party uh
00:34:10
you guys East Bay East Bay East Bay East
00:34:12
Bay yeah uh you guys got shellacked this
00:34:14
time around wasn't great wasn't good
00:34:17
yeah um what are the lessons that the
00:34:20
Democratic party can take from this I'll
00:34:23
will uh insert myself into this a little
00:34:25
bit I'm a moderate who's voted Democrat
00:34:27
two out of three times I was
00:34:32
absolutely really disappointed I I'll
00:34:34
just leave it at that that you didn't
00:34:36
have a speedrun primary that Biden was
00:34:39
put up when he was clearly in cognitive
00:34:41
decline and I'm absolutely disgusted by
00:34:45
the Democratic party's um hatred of
00:34:49
successful entrepreneurs in this country
00:34:52
you've kind of lost me as somebody who
00:34:54
voted two out of three times why has the
00:34:57
Democratic party left me somebody who
00:35:01
you know two out of three times would
00:35:03
vote Democrat and now you hate as a
00:35:06
party entrepreneurship winning and you
00:35:10
you you seem to hate democracy and you
00:35:12
won't even have a primary Jesus Christ
00:35:14
um don't hate democracy um no but this
00:35:16
is my perception I think a lot of
00:35:18
Democrats feel this way we just lose you
00:35:20
lost a lot of fol folks like a lot of I
00:35:23
mean this this is across the board
00:35:24
there's a lot of middle of the road
00:35:25
folks that just yeah we
00:35:28
we need
00:35:30
a story that connects with everyday
00:35:34
Americans I think when you look at a lot
00:35:35
of the policies that we like believe in
00:35:38
and you look at polling and focus groups
00:35:39
people will be like oh yeah I like that
00:35:42
I like that I like that but our story
00:35:44
right now I don't think we know who we
00:35:46
are and who we're fighting for now so it
00:35:48
is to me exciting that we can go through
00:35:50
this reset and renovation to find that
00:35:54
story that connects I'm a bluecollar kid
00:35:57
I was raised by a cop and a mom who had
00:36:00
six different jobs I was the first of my
00:36:01
family to go to college I like to think
00:36:03
you were raised by two Republicans yeah
00:36:04
I was they they they were they are were
00:36:07
and are two Republicans and I've got
00:36:08
three little brothers who are cops and I
00:36:11
grew up in Dublin California everyone
00:36:13
called it scrubin until we invested uh
00:36:16
there and we saw success what was your
00:36:18
ideological change growing up in a
00:36:21
republican household of cops essentially
00:36:24
yeah uh to becoming a you know you're a
00:36:28
bit of a democratic poster boy well
00:36:30
that's that's only because I've gone
00:36:32
after Donald Trump but if you look I ran
00:36:34
against the most liberal member of
00:36:36
Congress Pete Stark um I have been a
00:36:39
pretty independent vote in Congress and
00:36:41
I root for success of entrepreneurs and
00:36:44
business and want to connect that
00:36:46
success to the people who work hard at
00:36:49
those businesses so everyone does well
00:36:52
and I think if we're just perceived as
00:36:53
rooting against success overall and
00:36:56
vilifying by people who are successful
00:37:00
um then no one can be successful if if
00:37:02
that's the case did you like or not like
00:37:04
did you agree with Biden's framing as he
00:37:07
was leaving about this Tech
00:37:09
oligarchy it it it's only an oligarchy
00:37:11
if working class folks don't benefit
00:37:15
from it so if that's what it becomes
00:37:18
then that that's a problem what I want
00:37:19
to see and I think what you all are
00:37:22
rooting for is that anyone if you work
00:37:26
hard work your ass off you should do
00:37:28
better for yourself and dream bigger for
00:37:30
your kids and I think we have an
00:37:31
opportunity to do that the president the
00:37:33
president-elect has an opportunity to
00:37:35
make that happen and where he tries to
00:37:37
do that he'll find uh a partner in me
00:37:39
but do we have this uh branding issue
00:37:43
yes no I think that's what is The
00:37:44
Branding issue let un the The Branding
00:37:46
issue the wokeism is it the
00:37:48
judgmentalism is it the sanctimony is
00:37:50
pandering is it the you have to you have
00:37:52
to be perfect and pure is what the
00:37:54
perception is right now but nobody's
00:37:56
perfect no no no that's the
00:37:57
of people who like like we're all ridd
00:38:00
with errors and of course we're not
00:38:01
perfect and pure but I think the
00:38:03
perception is that to be a Democrat you
00:38:06
have to check all these Purity boxes and
00:38:10
then you can be a part of the party and
00:38:12
right now the Republican part is like I
00:38:14
think the exact opposite it's like do
00:38:15
you like Donald Trump great come to the
00:38:17
party and
00:38:19
so even like if you don't like Trump can
00:38:22
we get you on these three policies and
00:38:23
you can still come to Peter T's party I
00:38:25
have never been more courted by
00:38:27
political party than trumps and I have
00:38:29
never been more hated than I've been by
00:38:31
the Democratic party that's wrong it
00:38:33
shouldn't make people feel that way Jam
00:38:34
feels that way I think he was a major
00:38:37
donor you guys are talking about having
00:38:40
you guys are saying you should have a
00:38:41
Joe Rogan equivalent you had Joe Rogan
00:38:45
he was a Democrat if you watch all his
00:38:47
shows they were all he had Bernie
00:38:49
Sanders on he wanted to have Hillary on
00:38:50
you guys fumbled it you guys had Elon
00:38:53
Musk you fumbled it well see the party
00:38:55
fumbled it maybe you can comment you
00:38:57
represent and let's talk about
00:38:59
rebuilding and we have we have an
00:39:01
opportunity to rebuild now and so on for
00:39:04
example the department of government
00:39:07
efficiency like we should root for
00:39:09
government to be more efficient and we
00:39:11
should try and enable that but like if
00:39:14
that effort goes into an area where it's
00:39:17
going to cut Social Security or cut you
00:39:20
know Medicare then I think you'll see us
00:39:22
be Guardians against that but like most
00:39:25
small businesses think it's pretty hard
00:39:27
start a small business and then even
00:39:28
once you do you don't have the resources
00:39:30
that bigger businesses do and they see
00:39:33
regulations as what gets in the way so
00:39:34
we should try and knock those what's
00:39:36
happening in the party like what what
00:39:38
are you guys doing or is it just
00:39:41
headless as an organization yeah who
00:39:42
runs a Democratic party I would say in
00:39:44
in the house right now hakee Jeff uh has
00:39:46
been pretty effective at at uniting us
00:39:49
and and even in the last Congress uh you
00:39:52
saw something that you've never seen
00:39:53
before in any Congress in our country
00:39:55
any parliament in the world which is the
00:39:56
minority party delivered the majority
00:40:00
votes on every vote of consequence so
00:40:02
keeping the government open lifting the
00:40:04
de ceiling which's which the incoming
00:40:06
president now supports which we welcome
00:40:08
that and we would love to get rid of it
00:40:10
by the way um you know the funding of
00:40:12
even the funding you know to Israel that
00:40:16
that moveed forward because uh Democrats
00:40:19
were unified uh on that front so I think
00:40:22
hakee has shown himself as like a
00:40:24
practical negotiator someone who can
00:40:27
work with Johnson but I think the the
00:40:29
the other Fair commentary is he's young
00:40:33
and he's inexperienced what I mean by
00:40:35
leadership is yeah who who is the elder
00:40:38
Statesman that can help push and cajo
00:40:42
and influence the Democratic party to
00:40:45
find a more solid ground I think one I
00:40:48
think one of our best thought leaders is
00:40:49
Mark cubin I think he's Mark cubin right
00:40:51
Mark Cuban yeah he he's very influential
00:40:54
has a lot of relationships with my
00:40:56
colleagues uh myself he has business
00:40:59
experience but I think he's also not
00:41:01
lost touch of like what regular people
00:41:04
care about and I thought he was an
00:41:06
effective surrogate uh for kamla uh
00:41:10
being out there on the trail but I I go
00:41:12
to mark on a lot of stuff and and I
00:41:13
think he um understands where most
00:41:16
people are how did Kamala get selected
00:41:19
how did she get select so she was vice
00:41:21
president and the runway was about 100
00:41:23
days and I we can go through the
00:41:25
different scenarios I don't think any of
00:41:26
them good and as you said if if your
00:41:30
premise is that President Biden should
00:41:32
not have run for re-election making that
00:41:34
decision that close to the election you
00:41:36
know I don't know if any candidate you
00:41:38
know should there have been a speed
00:41:40
primary like
00:41:41
j
00:41:43
i we could go through a hundred
00:41:45
scenarios there were a bunch of great
00:41:46
candidates I I still think all of them
00:41:49
would have probably been set up to fail
00:41:50
did you it's too too short of a Runway
00:41:53
did you in your interactions with the
00:41:54
president did you say to yourself
00:41:57
gosh what's going on here I I didn't and
00:42:00
my colleagues and I I don't think we
00:42:01
interacted with him you know that often
00:42:05
and we kind of you know we started his
00:42:07
presidency in Co and so the Joe Biden
00:42:10
that I knew when I was in a baby you
00:42:14
know child in the Congress in 2013 was
00:42:17
very engaged and you know Lov meeting
00:42:20
with Congress and the meetings would go
00:42:21
an hour over the time allotted and it it
00:42:24
was kind of that Bill Clinton charm
00:42:27
offensive that he could put on and I
00:42:29
will just tell you like the first two
00:42:31
years with the covid restrictions that
00:42:32
we had we didn't see that because we you
00:42:36
know we would have remote meetings with
00:42:38
the White House and so um they hit him
00:42:41
they hit him I I don't yeah again I
00:42:43
don't know I I know I know where we are
00:42:45
now the reports are he was gay c yeah
00:42:48
yeah like I said I'm I'm man focus on
00:42:50
the future let's talk about the future
00:42:52
let's talk about Doge so you mention
00:42:54
wait wait hold on hold on before we talk
00:42:55
to Doge yeah yeah ER you were on the
00:42:57
house intelligence committee yes let's
00:42:59
talk about Tik Tok yes yeah okay done
00:43:01
and dusted what what do you think might
00:43:05
back tomorrow right might might not yeah
00:43:08
um you're you're in the room and these
00:43:11
things happen there are these off the
00:43:12
record I guess intelligence briefings
00:43:14
that happened and um this was a n0
00:43:18
unanimous Supreme Court decision it was
00:43:20
an overwhelming majority yeah in
00:43:22
Congress can you just help us understand
00:43:26
what needs to happen happen for
00:43:27
something like those two events to
00:43:29
happen yeah just be General you don't
00:43:31
have to say specifically obviously and
00:43:33
disclose anything that you know but
00:43:35
we're just trying to understand how does
00:43:36
something when it's such a ranker
00:43:38
congress which can't seem to agree on
00:43:40
anything or a supreme court which tends
00:43:42
to be five4 on every issue finds a n0
00:43:46
and a super majority in Congress I can
00:43:47
you just help us understand so the
00:43:49
Supreme Court was not saying whether we
00:43:51
should ban or not ban Tik Tok they were
00:43:53
saying the Congress voted president
00:43:55
signed corre and there's no way around
00:43:57
this ban so they I think they were just
00:43:59
following the law I voted against the
00:44:01
ban I think China is the place where you
00:44:05
ban things and the problems that I have
00:44:07
with Tik Tok as a father of like three
00:44:09
little kids are the problems that I have
00:44:11
with meta and the problems that I have
00:44:14
yeah it also so you don't view it you
00:44:16
don't view it as a security risk for the
00:44:17
United States and and and I Look to Jim
00:44:20
heims who is the senior Democrat on the
00:44:23
intelligence committee the ranking
00:44:24
member he's in What's called the gang of
00:44:25
eight he has the most exquisite access
00:44:27
to intelligence and Jim voted against
00:44:31
the ban and I thought you know what if
00:44:33
this guy is not seeing anything on the
00:44:35
National Security level there was an off
00:44:37
the Record or confidential briefing to
00:44:39
the house intelligence committee so you
00:44:41
think in that meeting there was nothing
00:44:43
that was very meaningful that was
00:44:44
disclosed about Tik Tok nothing that I
00:44:47
had seen is it owned by the Chinese
00:44:48
government absolutely but is there a
00:44:51
national security risk I have not seen
00:44:54
that hold on a second though I mean if
00:44:56
the Chinese government owns a 100
00:44:59
million plus American phones their
00:45:01
location data access to their
00:45:03
microphones access to their cameras how
00:45:06
is that not a security risk and where I
00:45:08
mean that seems incredibly naive to say
00:45:10
that I want I want to build on what J is
00:45:12
saying um we know that there are
00:45:13
security vulnerabilities for example in
00:45:15
WhatsApp it's riddled with stuff so you
00:45:17
know you could send a PDF before then
00:45:19
you could send an image now you can just
00:45:21
send a message and you can root your
00:45:22
phone the difference is WhatsApp is
00:45:24
owned by an American citizen right I
00:45:26
really and so what which is to say all
00:45:28
these apps are compromised it's just
00:45:31
that the Tik Tok is owned by a Chinese
00:45:34
owner who is out of the reach of the
00:45:36
United States government yeah and is
00:45:38
that fair or unfair to you it is out of
00:45:40
the reach of the United States
00:45:41
government but what I will say is most
00:45:44
of what we buy as far as you know what's
00:45:47
in our basket at Walmart is has a
00:45:49
Chinese component what's in our Basket
00:45:51
doesn't have a microphone or your GPS
00:45:54
let me say a lot of it does have you
00:45:55
seen a lot of stuff you buy um drones
00:45:58
Chinese made drones there'ss there's a
00:46:00
whole website now that that breaks down
00:46:02
modern consumer electronics from China
00:46:05
that actually have these hacking devices
00:46:07
built into them I don't know if you've
00:46:08
seen this but like you you'll buy like a
00:46:10
USB charger that's like eight bucks on k
00:46:12
or something and it's inside it's got
00:46:15
like an IP address and it actually finds
00:46:17
Wi-Fi it connects and it transmits
00:46:19
information this is incredibly dangerous
00:46:21
like there's so many and I bought this
00:46:22
like cheap drone for like Christmas
00:46:24
someone uh for like anyway one of my
00:46:26
little neews brought it and I'm like
00:46:28
dude this thing is like 149 bucks and I
00:46:31
looked it up online it's like got camera
00:46:33
connects to your Wi-Fi and then it asked
00:46:34
for access to your phone and I'm like
00:46:36
I'm not doing that like I tweeted this a
00:46:38
few months ago I don't think Tik tok's
00:46:39
the issue the USBC charging cables
00:46:42
exactly yeah be yeah rooted the charging
00:46:45
cables yes this
00:46:47
is this is more reason to B speculative
00:46:50
no I don't but I don't think Tik Tok I
00:46:52
guess my point is like we Tik Tok you
00:46:53
want to ban everything that's made in
00:46:54
China that's great you'll destroy the
00:46:56
economy yeah but one thing has 100
00:46:58
million people in an algorithm that
00:46:59
could influence people's perception that
00:47:02
you know the that Hamas is being
00:47:05
harassed by the Israelis like they they
00:47:08
literally can change how Americans
00:47:10
especially young ones perceive the world
00:47:13
even if they're not doing it currently
00:47:15
do you not see how obvious it is that
00:47:18
they can use it it's a censorship point
00:47:21
of view which is government has a ro
00:47:24
contr let's get his yeah I guess I'm the
00:47:25
only one of the four of us that doesn't
00:47:27
want to ban speech um yeah I'm no I'm
00:47:29
with you with you I want I want to B I
00:47:31
want either reciprocity where we can put
00:47:33
our apps in China or I want it gone now
00:47:37
you're now you're making a different
00:47:38
case now you're saying it's like
00:47:39
reciprocity as opposed to controlling
00:47:41
first you were saying it's security then
00:47:43
you're saying it's like controlling our
00:47:45
point of view now you're saying
00:47:46
reciprocity you're like those aren't the
00:47:48
same thing here security security risk
00:47:51
likely lies everywhere on security on
00:47:53
controlling the point of view of stuff I
00:47:55
think you guys have to separate look Tik
00:47:57
Tok there are three things in Tik Tok
00:48:00
okay there's the content and the content
00:48:03
creators that's one thing then there is
00:48:06
a network effect and then there is the
00:48:08
vessel which is the app okay which is
00:48:11
the code my very specific point of view
00:48:14
is the content creators and the network
00:48:17
effect can easily be replicated in other
00:48:20
places The Vessel itself is corrupt and
00:48:23
I think if you can't technically see
00:48:25
that it's probably because you just
00:48:27
you're not steeped enough in the techn
00:48:28
the intelligence committee doesn't
00:48:30
technically see that so clearly they're
00:48:32
not agre they've been caught they've
00:48:34
seen tracking got a guy the intelligence
00:48:36
committee here tell well but I I also
00:48:38
looked at the small business owners who
00:48:41
use that as a platform I understand how
00:48:42
you just the buckets that you just cre
00:48:44
people depend on it and more people in
00:48:46
the what I was telling the White House
00:48:47
was more people watch President Biden's
00:48:49
State of the Union Address on Tik Tok
00:48:51
than anywhere else and the and President
00:48:53
Biden had just gone on Tik Tok right
00:48:55
before this is the content and the
00:48:58
network my point is across meta or
00:49:01
across X my preference would be X you
00:49:04
can replicate the network effect and you
00:49:05
can create a mechanism for those content
00:49:07
creators who are already on those
00:49:08
platforms anyway to shift my point is
00:49:11
the vessel itself is easily rooted I I I
00:49:14
told this to president Trump when we
00:49:15
were sitting down I was like that
00:49:17
phone the microphone on that iPhone can
00:49:19
get turned on remotely you can choose
00:49:22
what state actor wants to do it but I
00:49:25
will bet you to Donuts it is
00:49:27
inconceivable to me that the NSA did not
00:49:31
find that capability and the reason is
00:49:32
not because Tik Tok is bad or good the
00:49:35
reason is all of these apps are rooted
00:49:37
the only difference is that most of
00:49:39
these apps are controlled by American
00:49:40
citizens gives us control mechanism and
00:49:43
this app is not
00:49:45
yeah I I mean I think Donald Trump is
00:49:48
going to allow Tik Tok well he got 50
00:49:50
million donation from Jeff Yas that and
00:49:53
I think he also recogniz I think super
00:49:55
pack 50 million yes and I think the
00:49:57
reason he cares is because he knows a
00:49:59
lot of his followers are on there and
00:50:01
for whatever reason they didn't CH they
00:50:02
have not chosen you what else is very
00:50:03
popular exported from China fentol yeah
00:50:06
we should probably ban that too like I
00:50:08
mean the fact that it's popular should
00:50:10
not be why we are doing that's why I
00:50:11
think you're framing WR popular Jason
00:50:14
what I'm saying is you can't put the
00:50:15
toothpaste back in the tube and and so
00:50:17
you're take you're going to take away a
00:50:18
platform that is on by Americans the
00:50:22
weak chosen to go to those other ones
00:50:24
and I just don't think we ban things in
00:50:26
America I I think yeah but this is the
00:50:27
Chinese Communist Party Jason if you if
00:50:30
you actually they spy on their own
00:50:33
citizens if you're just think about this
00:50:34
for a second if your business depended
00:50:36
on you using Tik Tok how would you feel
00:50:37
about the Tik Tok and you're you're not
00:50:39
wealthy you're not most important thing
00:50:42
you guys have to assume that if if it is
00:50:45
true that the CCP uses the Chinese
00:50:48
version of Tik Tok as a mechanism to
00:50:51
surveil their own people the idea that
00:50:54
for an extra few units of resources
00:50:58
they wouldn't spy on the most important
00:51:00
powerful nation in the world to me seems
00:51:03
pretty illogical and dumb they are going
00:51:06
to they would do it and separately it's
00:51:08
not to say that President Trump is using
00:51:12
uh Tik Tok per se or you know important
00:51:15
people but it is true that when you have
00:51:17
enough people use an app and those
00:51:19
people come into contact with other
00:51:21
people like look what happens today how
00:51:23
do you exchange contact information with
00:51:24
an iPhone you touch one another
00:51:27
there's NFC capability C from Ian just
00:51:31
think naive assum that like technology
00:51:35
is very deterministic there are so many
00:51:37
good things that happen but there are
00:51:40
people that are paid to find every
00:51:42
single edge and to push it because the
00:51:45
stakes are high and I just think that
00:51:47
this is an assumption that we have to
00:51:49
live with I'm just very cautious when it
00:51:50
comes to bands that's that's fair that's
00:51:52
an ideological thing and I age with you
00:51:55
CU Cham where this goes is you're like
00:51:57
well I don't want to import Korean cars
00:51:59
because they've got electronics that are
00:52:00
connected to the internet in every
00:52:01
Korean car now the Koreans can spy on
00:52:03
where we are I mean you can very quickly
00:52:04
see how this can open up a Floodgate Of
00:52:08
Banning because foreign adversaries
00:52:09
could take advantage of us including
00:52:12
including B including Banning chip
00:52:14
Imports including Banning router Imports
00:52:16
you could very quickly make this a whole
00:52:18
happen with routers literally the number
00:52:21
my is literally already with equipment
00:52:25
we're going to go down a very nasty
00:52:26
place like we're going down an
00:52:28
intelligent route which is to not give
00:52:31
access to all of the personal
00:52:32
information of the Sons and Daughters of
00:52:34
Representatives of military experts to
00:52:37
the Chinese Communist party there there
00:52:40
is a reason why Huawei is banned in
00:52:42
America yes yeah security
00:52:44
vulnerabilities were found they don't
00:52:45
have our best all of a sudden you think
00:52:47
that it stopped there China to like gave
00:52:48
up and said okay I'm saying there's a
00:52:50
different let's go watch the dance
00:52:52
videos now it's great let the Americans
00:52:54
Dance by way it do a little C isn't the
00:52:58
US Revenue Tik Tok for bite dance like
00:53:00
5% if it wasn't important the Chinese
00:53:02
government they would have divested I
00:53:04
think it's a 30 or they give up their
00:53:05
golden Shar us is 30 or 40 let's move on
00:53:07
to the Border um yeah wait wait Doge
00:53:10
we're gonna do Doge okay let's do Doge
00:53:12
because you tell us your point of view
00:53:14
on Elon VI coming in what they're going
00:53:16
to do what's good about it what you
00:53:18
really don't think is good about it you
00:53:19
have concerns yeah well so I do think
00:53:22
it's funny that a committee about
00:53:24
efficiency has two people running it
00:53:26
that's
00:53:27
but I think it it just cut itself in
00:53:29
half with if vex's running you know for
00:53:31
governor so that is their first success
00:53:33
um I guess you know to cut you know the
00:53:35
size of the committee but they got a lot
00:53:37
of people that they've recruited I got
00:53:38
it yeah as they said knock yourself out
00:53:41
if you want to make it easier for small
00:53:43
businesses you know to start a business
00:53:44
if you want to save you know money inal
00:53:47
employ federal employees not showing up
00:53:49
to the office yeah look I my staff shows
00:53:51
up um and and we benefit from people
00:53:54
being in the office we show a lot of
00:53:56
flexib ability uh for people who have
00:53:58
family issues kind of on a case-by Case
00:54:01
basis um and people with disabilities
00:54:04
have more access to work but I I
00:54:06
generally I see the benefits of having
00:54:09
everybody at the office and we were one
00:54:11
of the first offices to come back uh on
00:54:12
the hill um you know during Co because I
00:54:16
saw the benefit of that and if they can
00:54:18
draw a a straight line between you know
00:54:20
benefiting our constituents and people
00:54:22
being in the office I'm I'm open-minded
00:54:24
to that Eric tell us about um how you
00:54:28
think this reconciliation Bill the
00:54:29
budget yeah um it's going to be a very
00:54:31
knockout drag out kind of a process um
00:54:34
we're going to hit the debt ceiling yeah
00:54:36
tomorrow yeah um and so you guys are
00:54:38
going to be back to work right away what
00:54:40
do you
00:54:41
expect what I'm going to be asking my
00:54:45
constituents you know is tax cuts are
00:54:48
proposed and regulations you know
00:54:49
potentially are cut is you know what did
00:54:51
you get out of this and what have you
00:54:54
lost because if it's just as I said if
00:54:57
it's just kind of a a bro Archy that
00:54:59
benefits and and you don't benefit then
00:55:02
I won't support it but if you can draw
00:55:04
the line and say you know this business
00:55:08
getting this benefit or this corporate
00:55:10
tax rate going down means that you know
00:55:12
you're going to do better and dream
00:55:14
bigger I can be for that and and so
00:55:16
that's what I'm going to be looking at
00:55:17
do you think generally that governments
00:55:20
should generally just have less tax
00:55:23
receipts and be forced to spend less to
00:55:25
be more ingenious and less over reliant
00:55:28
on overpowering things with money yes
00:55:31
and frankly a lot of that starts with
00:55:33
the Department of Defense I mean look at
00:55:35
where the cost drivers are government
00:55:37
yeah I I think that but that means you
00:55:39
need to have alliances in the world
00:55:40
right you're going to have if you're
00:55:41
going to reduce what you spend on
00:55:43
defense you better strengthen your
00:55:45
Partnerships some people on the
00:55:46
Republican side so I think it's a
00:55:47
wonderful Point some people on the
00:55:48
Republican side say this is why energy
00:55:50
is so important for us because when we
00:55:52
have resource Independence it actually
00:55:54
allows us to forge and cast many of our
00:55:57
relationships abro that then create a
00:55:59
very different security envelope I so I
00:56:01
share the the rare earth ex minerals
00:56:04
caucus and for this reason and it
00:56:06
probably surprises people that a Bay
00:56:07
Area Democrat wants to get the US uh you
00:56:10
know back into Mining and that's because
00:56:13
we're getting our ass kicked by China on
00:56:15
this uh on the um you know not just the
00:56:18
mining but the processing and the
00:56:19
magnetizing but we do have allies who
00:56:22
have these resources so we can do it in
00:56:24
the United States there's Mountain Pass
00:56:26
where they're doing it with almost 100%
00:56:29
uh recycled water so you don't have the
00:56:30
acid Pond issue but you also have
00:56:32
countries that you could have I I I
00:56:34
helped fun Jim to get that thing off the
00:56:37
ground I've been out there and going
00:56:38
it's an incredible thing but even he he
00:56:40
will tell you doing these kinds of
00:56:43
projects in America today is almost next
00:56:45
to Impossible and the reason he was able
00:56:46
to do it I mean he has support from
00:56:48
folks like you which are for thinking
00:56:50
but the reason was because it had
00:56:51
already largely been built right and he
00:56:53
said if he had tried to get it permitted
00:56:55
that's right uh and it's just a question
00:56:57
you know less money for the government
00:56:59
less regulation it it almost seems like
00:57:02
sometimes if the Republicans say yay the
00:57:03
Democrats say nay and if the Democrats
00:57:06
said yay the Republicans would say nay
00:57:08
but if you ask everybody privately
00:57:10
everybody agrees the government should
00:57:11
have less and to your point business
00:57:13
people should just have more of a wide
00:57:14
birth to actually go and work and then
00:57:17
be held to account as I said if the
00:57:19
wealth is only concentrated at the
00:57:21
top make sure we can point to people at
00:57:24
every part of the economic spect yes
00:57:27
that's like but that's a very reasonable
00:57:28
thing to say what you're saying well I I
00:57:30
I hope that's how we govern in this next
00:57:33
but it doesn't come out that way well I
00:57:35
think this is a key point that what you
00:57:38
lead with and what you talk about and
00:57:40
what you make a priority that will be
00:57:42
people's perception of your focus right
00:57:45
and the perception that I have as
00:57:47
somebody who again has voted Democrat
00:57:49
two out of three elections is that
00:57:52
you're focused on and talking about
00:57:54
things like Dei things like having trans
00:57:58
kids get surgery and no parent agrees
00:58:02
with this nobody agrees with this
00:58:03
they're banning it around the world and
00:58:05
you guys lead with that that shows a
00:58:08
lack of prioritization that is palatable
00:58:11
to the voting populace what they want is
00:58:14
effective leadership and when you look
00:58:15
at what happened in Southern California
00:58:17
it is the height of arrogance that
00:58:20
they're working on things like Dei and
00:58:21
saying this is important when the
00:58:23
reservoir is not filled when they're not
00:58:25
clearing brush and you have to make
00:58:27
tradeoffs in the world and you guys
00:58:28
don't seem to be able to communicate
00:58:29
that it's incredibly frustrating for me
00:58:31
you can hear it in my voice that you can
00:58:33
say you know what we care about nature
00:58:34
we care about the trees but you can't
00:58:37
have trees on the floor around homes in
00:58:39
a fire oh you said floor you didn't say
00:58:42
ground so no I'm going to not listen to
00:58:44
you or we can't get minerals that we're
00:58:47
going to be dependent on China for
00:58:49
minerals right it we need those minerals
00:58:53
we cannot be dependent on foreign
00:58:54
adversaries to make important weapon
00:58:57
systems to make important things like
00:58:59
electric vehicles and you guys are
00:59:01
concerned about the cranes and trans
00:59:03
kids being able to get surgery that
00:59:05
nobody wants that's the problem with the
00:59:07
party we need a better story and I don't
00:59:09
think stop focusing on those weird
00:59:11
things don't leave that story with the
00:59:13
concerns people have with Dei although I
00:59:15
would argue now the new Dei is Don Eric
00:59:19
and Ivanka and people probably won't
00:59:21
like that approach to it uh either is
00:59:24
that you floating the tri you're trying
00:59:25
to
00:59:28
I'm not sure but okay we need a better
00:59:30
story and I look forward to being that
00:59:32
the first time
00:59:34
work we Workshop it yeah yeah you're GNA
00:59:37
have to Workshop that way yeah I mean
00:59:39
listen there's a long tradition in these
00:59:41
parties of the kids being grifters
00:59:42
Hunter everybody's getting in on it um
00:59:45
but let's let's close on the borders no
00:59:48
no hold on before we do that I just want
00:59:49
to ask you about um should the United
00:59:50
States spend $200 billion doll to
00:59:52
acquire Greenland from Denmark I don't
00:59:55
give a if he tries to acquire Greenland
00:59:58
I just want the cost of eggs to go down
00:59:59
that's what my constituents are
01:00:01
promising knock yourself out go get
01:00:03
green Minal right security aspect of
01:00:05
course there's there there's benefits
01:00:06
there but I I just I want to know you
01:00:09
said you're going to lower the cost of
01:00:10
eggs eggs are pretty expensive what like
01:00:13
how are you going to do that and if you
01:00:14
can tell me that you know spending $200
01:00:16
billion to get Greenland is going to
01:00:18
help lower our cost great but I think
01:00:20
people want to see costs come down I
01:00:22
have a question about today I just want
01:00:24
to actually go back in time uh today are
01:00:27
there any of President Trump's nominees
01:00:31
that uh really give you Aida and if so
01:00:34
who and why and who's inspiring you mean
01:00:36
give some credit if there's something
01:00:38
like inspiring yeah who do you like give
01:00:40
give us one that inspires you and give
01:00:41
us one I I think Rubio's GNA do a great
01:00:43
job Secretary State I think he's he has
01:00:47
the the gravitas and the experience uh
01:00:50
to do it and I want I want to see that
01:00:51
happen Kos Patel is the one that I I
01:00:53
think could destroy the president's uh
01:00:56
agenda because can you say more well
01:00:58
what I see and I may be a little bit
01:01:00
biased because the guy wrote a book he
01:01:02
listed 100 enemies I'm not in that 100
01:01:05
I'm actually in the Preamble he starts
01:01:07
it with of course Adam Schiff and Eric
01:01:09
swell are the most dangerous people well
01:01:11
you were part of the house Russia Russi
01:01:12
investigation but I I do believe if if
01:01:15
the president focuses on going after his
01:01:18
enemies he's going to lose the ability
01:01:21
to bring order to the Border yep to get
01:01:23
the most violent uh you know the most
01:01:27
violent undocumented immigrants out of
01:01:29
the country yeah and make people feel
01:01:32
safe in communities where they don't
01:01:33
feel safe what do you think about
01:01:33
Jason's comment um do you think that we
01:01:37
should
01:01:38
systematically uh work through a process
01:01:40
to deport 15 million illegal I I think
01:01:43
you should focus on violent
01:01:46
offenders sexual so let's say you get
01:01:48
that done in six months what do you do
01:01:50
after that uh well you also need order
01:01:52
at the border right I mean and I I
01:01:54
support surging resources to bring that
01:01:56
but 40% of my constituents were born
01:01:58
outside the United States we are the
01:02:00
eighth wealthiest District in the
01:02:02
country no thanks to me I'm not
01:02:04
contributing to that wealth there is a
01:02:06
straight line between those immigrants
01:02:09
and that wealth and so if we can find a
01:02:11
way to address you know shortages in the
01:02:13
workforce in agriculture Hospitality
01:02:16
food and beverage of course we see it in
01:02:18
biotech and Tech I think we can have the
01:02:21
best in the world I just leave it leave
01:02:23
you with this a foreign minister uh in
01:02:26
Asia said to me in the past year he said
01:02:29
Eric he said you know the population of
01:02:31
the United States is 3 billion people
01:02:34
and I looked at him and I said no you
01:02:35
mean it's like 300 plus million I
01:02:38
thought he misspoke he said no he said
01:02:40
there are three billion people in the
01:02:42
world who would give up everything to
01:02:45
come to the United States and he said if
01:02:46
you get it right he said you can pick
01:02:48
the best that's right absolutely
01:02:50
recruitment as opposed to immigration is
01:02:53
a better framework yes go go back please
01:02:55
you mentioned this uh the house Russia
01:02:57
investigation created a lot of yeah um
01:03:01
talking points on both sides that I
01:03:03
think are still lingering and in the
01:03:06
spirit of sort of putting it to bed
01:03:09
um any regrets about that whole process
01:03:13
uh was there anything substantive that
01:03:16
came out of It ultimately or was it the
01:03:18
beginning of this more politically
01:03:20
directed kind of Action Reaction which
01:03:23
is now why people are afraid about what
01:03:25
happen s you know Russia had a preferred
01:03:28
candidate and they did a lot to try and
01:03:30
get that guy to win I think he could
01:03:32
have and I think he may regret that in a
01:03:36
lot of his trolling he made himself look
01:03:38
guiltier when he probably could have
01:03:41
shown us that the concerns we had
01:03:43
weren't there but I I don't I'm not
01:03:44
going to dwell on that I'm not going to
01:03:46
you know focus on the fact that he was
01:03:48
impeached twice and sent a mob that you
01:03:50
know could have killed many of the
01:03:52
people in the capital with me on January
01:03:53
6 I'm GNA focus on if he wants to bring
01:03:56
order to the Border make our community
01:03:58
safer and raise wages and lower costs
01:04:00
I'm going to work with what I meant what
01:04:01
I meant more I think that's a ad yeah
01:04:04
work backwards from yeah an outcome or
01:04:07
do you think you and Adam actually just
01:04:08
followed the facts and I was a alam
01:04:12
County prosecutor uh in the same office
01:04:14
Earl Warren you know worked in and we
01:04:16
were trained that it's not about wins
01:04:18
and losses it's just about doing Justice
01:04:20
and I approached it just trying to
01:04:22
follow the fact and when you were
01:04:23
watching some of the other things that
01:04:25
happened post all of this yeah like
01:04:27
what's happening in New York and whatnot
01:04:28
what were your thoughts for as a
01:04:29
prosecutor on the legal veracity of some
01:04:32
of the things that were going on to to
01:04:34
Trump leading into this
01:04:36
election a lot of people around him went
01:04:38
to jail and it felt like well if Michael
01:04:41
Cohen went to jail like why the [ __ ] is
01:04:43
this guy not being held to account like
01:04:46
Michael Cohen went to jail for being a
01:04:48
part of that hush money settlement so
01:04:52
again just being a bluecollar kid who
01:04:54
resents people who think that their
01:04:56
position entitles them to be better than
01:05:00
regular folks I just wanted everyone to
01:05:02
be treated the same and and so that's
01:05:04
the way I was raised my dad lost his job
01:05:07
as a cop when he wouldn't essentially be
01:05:10
get bribed when he wouldn't allow a
01:05:11
bribe from a mayor um to influence him
01:05:14
and and he well that's amazing T that
01:05:17
that was my ear experience in a small
01:05:20
town in Iowa and he was the police chief
01:05:22
the mayor very publicly tried to like
01:05:24
corrupt him and he wouldn't do so my
01:05:26
earliest memory is that he was willing
01:05:29
to lose his job to do the right thing no
01:05:31
but you're saying something very
01:05:32
important which is everybody should be
01:05:33
treated the same so correct if if one of
01:05:35
your kids were charged with a
01:05:37
misdemeanor would you hope that it was
01:05:39
just prosecuted as a misdemeanor or do
01:05:41
you think that folks that may not like
01:05:43
Eric swall well figure out a way to now
01:05:44
make it a felony the former yeah okay
01:05:47
yeah I mean as I said I'm I'm going into
01:05:50
this open mind what we can do no I'm I'm
01:05:53
just saying into this New Year open
01:05:55
minded not focused on the past on what
01:05:57
we can do to make the country succeed
01:05:59
yeah and On the Border issue I think
01:06:03
that's the one where you all could maybe
01:06:05
get some consensus and some clarity
01:06:07
because it really does seem to be
01:06:08
creating an underlying tension in the
01:06:10
country as to what's going to happen and
01:06:12
you can't do anything on the workforce
01:06:13
issues until the public believes youve
01:06:15
secured the Border that's just a whether
01:06:17
that's rational or not how much of that
01:06:19
was why you think kamla lost was just
01:06:21
her not taking ownership of the Border I
01:06:24
just think she was attached to an
01:06:26
incumbent party incumbent parties
01:06:28
worldwide are just getting pounded and
01:06:31
there wasn't much that was going to
01:06:33
change where this thing was going what's
01:06:35
what's happening in
01:06:37
California well give us give us the
01:06:39
grade on G which Republican will be the
01:06:42
next governor of
01:06:43
California uh well they they don't have
01:06:45
their [ __ ] together either by the way
01:06:46
the Republican party in California um
01:06:48
look I'm I I was in the palates on
01:06:50
Monday um I have 10 friends who lost
01:06:53
everything I was with a woman who stood
01:06:56
on top of a pile of Ashes that was her
01:06:59
house looking for any momento for her
01:07:02
family and it it's it's awful and I I
01:07:06
will also be open-minded as to what we
01:07:08
could have done to prevent it to prevent
01:07:11
it why resources that should have been
01:07:13
there weren't there and as a member of
01:07:15
the homeland security committee uh make
01:07:17
sure that you know we're better prepared
01:07:19
next time and if there is accountability
01:07:20
that should have that should come uh to
01:07:23
be a part of that but like there's fires
01:07:24
are still burning right now and so I
01:07:27
don't want to be that Meme where it's
01:07:28
like you know the guy that like last
01:07:30
week I was a hostage expert this week
01:07:32
I'm a wildfire expert us that's that's
01:07:34
our function my my job is is to look at
01:07:37
you know what we could have done who
01:07:40
should be held accountable but with a
01:07:41
fire still burning and familes you know
01:07:44
living uh with friends and relatives
01:07:46
right now um I I don't want to hop I
01:07:48
don't want to give this a hot take yet
01:07:50
yeah fair enough fair enough thank you
01:07:52
all right everybody uh Eric we really
01:07:54
appreciate your candidness and good luck
01:07:56
reing the
01:07:57
party okay thanks awesome great job
01:08:01
brother all right welcome back to the
01:08:04
all-in podcast at the inauguration of
01:08:07
Donald Trump our 47th president and
01:08:09
we're really delighted to have friend of
01:08:11
the Pod Rana back on the program he is
01:08:14
the US Representative for California's
01:08:16
17th District AKA our hometown Silicon
01:08:20
Valley how are you Ro honored to be back
01:08:22
on you made it big time huh You're Now
01:08:24
like in these
01:08:26
inauguration Jason's a republican now
01:08:28
did you know that no I remain a moderate
01:08:30
Jason I'm holding on to you as the
01:08:31
Democrat and Silicon Valley I'm a I'm
01:08:34
I've always been a moderate I like to
01:08:36
vote for what I believe is the most
01:08:38
qualified person and this time around I
01:08:40
was a they call in your business a
01:08:42
double hater and let's let's get right
01:08:45
into that with the Democratic party uh
01:08:47
you guys got shellacked um the candidate
01:08:50
who you put up didn't go through a
01:08:51
primary the previous candidate seemed to
01:08:55
be incognitive decline we can all agree
01:08:58
and it feels like a bit of a mess in the
01:09:01
party what is going to happen to the
01:09:03
Democratic party going forward is there
01:09:06
a voice saying this is the plan or is it
01:09:09
a little Game of Thrones right now we're
01:09:11
all wondering where are the Democrats it
01:09:13
feels like you went dark and is that a
01:09:15
strategy to just sort of let Trump have
01:09:18
his moment and then come back and be
01:09:21
adversarial or you know State a new
01:09:23
platform what's going on inside the
01:09:25
democra party and think crises are times
01:09:28
for reform and renewal and the reality
01:09:31
is that this was a huge blow to the
01:09:34
establishment of the party uh people
01:09:36
wanted a more competitive process they
01:09:39
want new voices they want a new
01:09:41
generation of leadership uh and now
01:09:44
that's going to emerge and so you're
01:09:46
seeing it happening in California with
01:09:48
Dan lurry uh winning in San Francisco
01:09:50
for mayir Matt Mayan winning in uh San
01:09:53
Jose you're seeing new people in
01:09:55
Congress emerging new Governors emerging
01:09:58
and so I think that there's going to be
01:09:59
a lot of reflection one of the things
01:10:01
I've said is the Democrats need to spend
01:10:04
as much time understanding why many
01:10:07
Americans voted for Donald Trump as we
01:10:09
do criticizing Donald Trump and uh I
01:10:12
think you're starting to see that happen
01:10:15
what do you think the new platform will
01:10:16
be if you had to think of you know
01:10:20
things to remove from the platform and
01:10:22
things to prioritize in the platform if
01:10:24
you were in charge or Jean Phillips
01:10:25
friend of the pot as well um there's
01:10:27
some people who who feel you know
01:10:29
there's more important issues than the
01:10:31
ones that maybe you've been focused on
01:10:34
that you the Democratic party has been
01:10:36
focused on for this last election cycle
01:10:38
so maybe give us two or three ideas of
01:10:40
what you would add to the agenda and two
01:10:41
or three things that you might say hey
01:10:43
this isn't a priority for Americans
01:10:44
anymore I think the whole thing has to
01:10:46
be about prioritizing the economy the
01:10:49
economic independence of Americans how
01:10:51
are we going to have economic renewal
01:10:54
economic growth uh in a stagnant working
01:10:57
in middle class and then let's argue our
01:10:59
different Visions Donald Trump says that
01:11:01
the way he's going to turn around
01:11:03
Johnstown and Youngstown and down river
01:11:06
Michigan is just with uh a large tax
01:11:09
cuts and deregulation our view has got
01:11:11
to be that it has to involve technology
01:11:14
leaders Business Leaders but also
01:11:16
strategic government Investments to be
01:11:18
able to build new industry there to be
01:11:20
able to credential new folks there to be
01:11:23
able to build a Workforce but we have to
01:11:25
offer a compelling economic vision and
01:11:28
then an economic Vision so people aren't
01:11:30
dependent on uh the denials of Private
01:11:33
health insurance and so that they have
01:11:34
child care but I think whoever wins the
01:11:36
argument that there's going to lead
01:11:38
America in the 21st century on the
01:11:40
economy uh and on economic independence
01:11:43
is going to win Ro do you you you're
01:11:44
saying government investment in building
01:11:47
new businesses building new Industries
01:11:49
is necessary to achieve that vision and
01:11:51
that's a better alternative what is the
01:11:53
historical
01:11:55
kind of examples where um policies where
01:11:58
government was going to go start new
01:12:00
Investments start fundamentally
01:12:02
supporting new businesses being built
01:12:04
that's worked successfully and work
01:12:05
better than free markets like the the
01:12:08
the the Republican argument is the free
01:12:09
market is more efficient the free market
01:12:10
works better let capital and capitalists
01:12:14
find where the capital is best applied
01:12:15
it'll be more efficiently utilized
01:12:17
versus government making the decision
01:12:19
about where Capital should go it's
01:12:20
typically lower Roi very often negative
01:12:23
Roi and doesn't actually create aable
01:12:26
economic growth I think ask me
01:12:28
government investment that's Market
01:12:29
sustainable but you look at Hamilton you
01:12:32
look at Lincoln and you look at FDR that
01:12:34
is in my view what Built America
01:12:36
infrastructure uh well it's
01:12:37
infrastructure but it's also
01:12:39
manufacturing I mean I have a build to
01:12:41
build new steel plants in Johnstown in
01:12:44
Ohio now you need the private sector you
01:12:46
need Cleveland Cliffs you need a a
01:12:48
private Steel company but if we're going
01:12:50
to finance that the scaling of that uh
01:12:53
the federal government has to have some
01:12:55
role uh and what we ended up having in
01:12:58
free market uh economics is China last
01:13:02
week one trillion dollar Trade Surplus
01:13:06
now we are at almost a trillion dollar
01:13:08
trade deficit yep you know the economics
01:13:10
well so that's financed with a capital
01:13:12
account Surplus that means all that
01:13:14
money is coming into to Wall Street wall
01:13:16
Street's doing really well the finance
01:13:17
sector is doing really well but it's
01:13:18
hollowed out our manufacturing base it's
01:13:20
hollowed out our industrial base that is
01:13:23
free market economics gone too far
01:13:26
that's globalization is what some of the
01:13:27
non- neocon Republicans would say is
01:13:30
that global trade versus cut off some of
01:13:33
the global trade create a tariff program
01:13:35
with China and will reignite
01:13:37
manufacturing that's kind of a a counter
01:13:39
policy argument but to your point it's a
01:13:40
different point of view that uses
01:13:42
different set of data to make the case
01:13:44
and I I'd agree with some of the
01:13:46
Strategic terrorist I just don't think
01:13:47
that's going to be enough for us to have
01:13:49
pill factories here have uh the steel
01:13:53
factories aluminum factories to to
01:13:55
Revitalize these areas and to look at
01:13:57
what is the invest you think we need
01:13:58
government programs I think we need
01:14:00
government partnering with the private
01:14:01
sector and on DG so you know do you feel
01:14:05
and does the party feel that there
01:14:07
should be no deregulatory effort in the
01:14:09
United States to unleash kind of you
01:14:13
know economic investment and growth or
01:14:15
like this this whole point just you know
01:14:17
it just feels wrong to me to say like we
01:14:19
don't want DG like shouldn't DG be a
01:14:21
thing that we're always cutting back
01:14:22
things bureaucracy bureaucratic red tape
01:14:24
that we've created to unleash I mean
01:14:26
even Gavin H's making this claim now in
01:14:27
California with respect to the
01:14:28
rebuilding I I think you need Effective
01:14:30
Government I think execution matters and
01:14:33
I think there's Fair criticisms to say
01:14:35
that the execution of the chips and
01:14:37
science act which I helped WR or the IRA
01:14:39
wasn't enough I mean the money didn't
01:14:41
get out fast enough the the bureaucracy
01:14:44
in permitting uh was uh was slow and if
01:14:47
there are ways to make government
01:14:49
procurement more competitive that is
01:14:51
good I mean why is it that five primes
01:14:53
are dominating uh the defense
01:14:55
procurement system so Michael Bloomberg
01:14:57
had a plan which I think seems pretty
01:14:59
reasonable have 15% of Department of
01:15:02
Defense spending for startups and
01:15:04
Innovative uh technology as opposed to
01:15:06
just going for the five primes that's
01:15:08
regulatory reform but we also have to
01:15:11
look at the fundamental why is Intel not
01:15:13
succeeding we asked PT Ginger who was uh
01:15:16
asked to leave in Intel uh and I said is
01:15:20
it was it the permitting reform and he
01:15:21
said no it's that the the the capital
01:15:23
expenditures to make wall Street's
01:15:25
numbers uh were was very high and there
01:15:28
was no no procurement Apple everything's
01:15:30
too expensive in this country by the way
01:15:31
this goes back to nuclear energy it's
01:15:34
too expensive to build a gigawatt of
01:15:36
nuclear power in this country it's too
01:15:38
takes too long meanwhile China can do it
01:15:40
for about a tenth of the price and
01:15:41
they're scaling up 300 XR rate in terms
01:15:43
of new energy production and they can do
01:15:45
it in half the time half the time a
01:15:48
tenth of the cost and there's a
01:15:49
regulatory path for Gen 4 reactors going
01:15:52
up in China versus here I'm for nuclear
01:15:54
energy for smart modular nuclear energy
01:15:56
I'm for looking at how we uh build
01:15:59
nuclear energy here in the United States
01:16:01
in a safe way but in one that I agree
01:16:04
that our part my party has been opposed
01:16:06
to largely so this is really important
01:16:08
because I think what happens is the
01:16:10
Republicans order Democrats will come
01:16:11
forward with a general policy statement
01:16:14
we need to DG to unleash economic
01:16:16
Prosperity or DG to unleash nuclear but
01:16:19
the the other party then says well we've
01:16:21
got to figure out a way to attack them
01:16:23
on that vector and then they take this
01:16:25
like diametrically opposed point of view
01:16:27
to try and diminish the strength that
01:16:29
they're gaining because of their strong
01:16:31
policy perspective that may be good for
01:16:32
America and then we end up in this
01:16:34
unfortunate circumstance where we can't
01:16:36
ever align on the things that really are
01:16:38
good for America that's how I feel as an
01:16:40
American looking at how the the parties
01:16:42
attack each other one party says this is
01:16:44
a good thing for America why doesn't the
01:16:45
other party say you're absolutely right
01:16:47
we all agree on that let's move forward
01:16:48
can you can you give the win on Doge
01:16:50
like government efficiency seems like
01:16:52
consensus well I've gotten criticized
01:16:55
because I put out an innocent tweet and
01:16:57
have said that uh if musk and ramaswami
01:17:00
have a good idea then I want to look at
01:17:03
that and you know musk disrupted the
01:17:06
entire pentagon with SpaceX I mean he
01:17:08
worked with Ash Carter to do that the
01:17:09
track record's there the track record is
01:17:11
there so if he's going to and you have
01:17:13
all of the progressives like me saying
01:17:14
the defense budget is bloated 56% of
01:17:17
spending we need to figure out how to
01:17:19
have more competition we need to look at
01:17:21
the waste that is there I mean spending
01:17:23
$150,000 on soap dispensers and so now
01:17:26
if musk is it's really is Boeing
01:17:29
$150,000 60 Minutes
01:17:32
$1,00 for breast pumps I mean I think
01:17:34
it's outrageous yeah and so now because
01:17:37
musk is saying let's look at the defense
01:17:39
department you don't want to do it even
01:17:41
though you've been saying to do that for
01:17:42
the past five six years that's the stuff
01:17:44
that drives people crazy or I Flo in uh
01:17:48
you know that Bob Iger would be a a good
01:17:50
person to run next time for for mayor of
01:17:52
of La he's considering it well I mean
01:17:55
did he tell you that when you talking
01:17:56
yeah I don't want to to talk about what
01:17:58
he what we've talked about privately I
01:17:59
just think he'd be you did ask him I did
01:18:02
ask him I I I and so now I'm getting uh
01:18:05
attacked for well am I for an oligarch
01:18:07
that's that's literally my my Twitter
01:18:09
stream B's an oligarch you look at
01:18:12
Disney I said I want someone who's going
01:18:14
to rebuild this this place he it would
01:18:16
actually be a public service for him
01:18:18
after I want popcorn and lemonade stands
01:18:20
on every corner in
01:18:22
La FDR FDR went FDR was one of the
01:18:25
wealthiest people John F Kennedy so I
01:18:27
think there's got to be a there's got to
01:18:29
be common sense yeah how do we actually
01:18:32
help people that has to be the the
01:18:35
metric and willingness to to to work
01:18:37
across the A on things yeah it it does
01:18:39
seem in the wake of what's happened in
01:18:43
Southern California Pacific Palisades
01:18:45
and all the other regions uh that were
01:18:47
impacted that a large number of
01:18:50
affluent um and and voters and people
01:18:54
who are AC in politics are now saying
01:18:56
it's kind of enough the progressivism
01:18:59
went too far left we need really
01:19:02
qualified people in office and so what
01:19:04
do you think's going to happen in
01:19:06
California and what impact do you think
01:19:09
these 12,000 14,000 homes being
01:19:12
destroyed and of course the 25 people
01:19:14
who lost their lives tragically what
01:19:16
impact is that going to have is you
01:19:17
think that's a turning point in some
01:19:18
ways I do I I mean first of all it's
01:19:20
just horrific and I'm sure you know
01:19:23
people CP friends who lost lost their
01:19:26
homes they're alive and that's what's
01:19:27
important but they did lose everything
01:19:29
they lost everything and I mean a place
01:19:31
has just burned down it's it's it's
01:19:34
devastating and I think it's just a
01:19:36
culmination in California of something
01:19:38
that's been creeping up which is
01:19:40
governance matters execution matters yes
01:19:44
keeping places safe matters making sure
01:19:47
that we're pragmatic matters and that's
01:19:49
why you saw Dan Lorry win that's why you
01:19:51
saw Matt Mayhan win that's why you've
01:19:53
seen uh sort of reason able people in
01:19:56
District Attorneys when I think that's
01:19:58
and you're going to see that in La I
01:19:59
think you're going to see that in the
01:20:00
governor's race I I do think California
01:20:03
is saying regardless of your ideology on
01:20:06
issues we need to be able to govern well
01:20:09
so you have the economy um I think
01:20:12
safety's up there for folks uh what else
01:20:15
do you think on that short list of
01:20:16
things that the party in California
01:20:21
could say to the voters in terms of
01:20:24
winning them back and letting them
01:20:27
understand you're focused on something
01:20:28
other than in their perception Dei maybe
01:20:32
environmental overreach I can't believe
01:20:34
I'm saying that but like the fact that
01:20:35
people don't believe in clearing the
01:20:37
forest around homes and they're fighting
01:20:39
it on environmental grounds well I mean
01:20:42
it doesn't take a rocket science to
01:20:44
understand rocket scientist to
01:20:46
understand that these wildfires have
01:20:48
been occurring for a long time you got
01:20:51
the salt in of science here who can go
01:20:52
into the science of it and that if you
01:20:54
want to live live near a forest in a
01:20:56
fire zone you kind of got to clean up
01:20:58
the detrius on the forest floor like it
01:21:01
feels like we you know the the the
01:21:04
leadership in California is kind of
01:21:06
pressing company excluded kind of lost
01:21:07
the script here huh I think it's
01:21:09
reasonable to ask why the brush wasn't
01:21:11
cleared outside La I got in trouble for
01:21:14
asking that I said these are legitimate
01:21:16
questions that's not going after people
01:21:18
and I supported Karen bass in disclos
01:21:20
full disclosure against Rich Caruso I
01:21:22
was PRI to do it but if Caruso asked
01:21:24
reasonable questions the whole point of
01:21:26
being in governance is you say okay the
01:21:29
guy had a good point you're disappointed
01:21:30
in her performance the fact that she's
01:21:31
out of the country going back in time
01:21:33
would you vote would you have endorsed
01:21:35
Caruso knowing what you know now I I
01:21:37
don't know if I would have endorsed him
01:21:38
but I I I I certainly think it's fair to
01:21:41
say that people are disappointed in
01:21:42
what's what's happening I'd Endo someone
01:21:45
like Iger or others I think there's I
01:21:47
certainly think there needs to be a a
01:21:49
new mayor do you think there was any
01:21:51
reason for her to be in
01:21:52
Ghana but she said she said says that
01:21:54
she went on uh the presid the
01:21:57
inauguration of the president the
01:21:58
inauguration I I she was in a palace
01:22:01
having cocktails yeah whether if there
01:22:03
were actual warnings before I think she
01:22:05
would probably say she should she even
01:22:07
be going to Ghana as the mayor of a city
01:22:09
that has no economic vacation I suppose
01:22:11
no well that no look that's a common
01:22:14
thing where the president of both
01:22:15
parties ask people Mayors Governors I
01:22:18
haven't been asked as the congressman
01:22:20
yet to to represent them at a at a
01:22:22
forign inauguration is that yeah that's
01:22:24
a common thing and I don't if there
01:22:26
weren't the warnings I don't think
01:22:27
that's a big big issue or know she's
01:22:29
going to Paris because you know the uh
01:22:31
La is hosting the Olympics the question
01:22:33
is though your first priority and if
01:22:35
there were warnings if she should
01:22:37
explain why why why why she didn't go
01:22:40
and I I like her I think she's a good
01:22:42
person but the question is uh what is it
01:22:45
going to take going forward but the big
01:22:46
point about one of the points about what
01:22:49
what we need to do differently other
01:22:50
than the economics is we've got to also
01:22:52
go around the country and say my party
01:22:53
is not going to look down on people who
01:22:56
we have different uh cultural or social
01:22:58
viewpoints with I think there was this
01:23:00
sense of condescension and that if you
01:23:03
disagree with someone somehow our party
01:23:05
is morally Superior and that's got to
01:23:07
stop and this whole thing about if we
01:23:09
disagree the policy generally is wrong
01:23:12
which is I think disting distinguishing
01:23:15
the policy from the party
01:23:18
um do you think California has a chance
01:23:21
of electing a republican governor in 26
01:23:24
do you think that that chance is now
01:23:26
greater than 50% after the
01:23:29
wildfires I still think and I will uh
01:23:32
support most likely the Democrat I mean
01:23:34
whoever the good a good Democrat is
01:23:36
there are a lot of good Democrats uh
01:23:38
that can run but you know I mean AR
01:23:40
schweger was a Republican and can a
01:23:43
republican who is a pro-choice and take
01:23:46
some of the social issues off the table
01:23:47
be competitive yeah I think the
01:23:49
Democratic party would be naive uh to
01:23:52
take that for granted and we need to
01:23:53
have thoughtful strong people on our
01:23:56
side run and run understanding people
01:23:59
care about Public Safety they want
01:24:01
Effective Government they want uh reform
01:24:03
I mean people like Matt Mayhan uh who
01:24:05
now have had a couple years and have
01:24:07
been effective uh are are the type of
01:24:10
Democrats I think that can win Statewide
01:24:12
what are your thoughts on um Tik Tock uh
01:24:16
going dark in the last 24 hours here
01:24:18
it's terrible i've been I've been vocal
01:24:20
we had 1.3 million people sign a
01:24:22
petition never had that in ERS of
01:24:25
magnitude saying keep uh Tik Tock uh
01:24:28
because they like the product or they
01:24:29
make a living on it it's yeah it's first
01:24:31
of all it's the the stories about people
01:24:33
who make a living I there was one person
01:24:35
a content creator her husband cheated on
01:24:37
her abusive marriage she leaves she's
01:24:40
got four kids uh two toddlers uh and two
01:24:44
people around two kids around five and
01:24:47
she's broke she's in a hotel uh she's
01:24:49
staying in her best friend's uh living
01:24:51
room for 4 months and then she starts
01:24:53
telling her story and now she's making
01:24:54
60 770,000 as a content creator I could
01:24:57
tell you 50 stories like this of people
01:24:59
are actually relying on this for their
01:25:01
livelihood some people are making it
01:25:03
making using it to make rent and then
01:25:06
you have the issue of free speech and uh
01:25:08
just being able to express it now people
01:25:10
say what about China well why don't you
01:25:12
pass a broad uh broader law that says
01:25:16
any interference by a foreign government
01:25:18
in algorithms is going to be illegal and
01:25:20
criminal Well India banned these apps
01:25:23
and we're not India they're prettyy
01:25:25
Savvy though I mean these things are an
01:25:27
attack Vector you can remotely control
01:25:30
these phones they were caught spying on
01:25:33
journalists and uh they could shape
01:25:35
public policy so and they've had years
01:25:37
to divest seems to me that the Chinese
01:25:40
government sees this as a strategic
01:25:42
military asset do you disagree with that
01:25:45
I do I one I think the United States has
01:25:47
a much much more robust tradition of
01:25:49
free speech than in than in India and
01:25:52
and so I think our consider are are
01:25:55
different I also think we have far more
01:25:57
capability in making sure that we
01:25:59
protect our data uh and protect any
01:26:02
foreign interference in algorithms now
01:26:05
president Trump has floated this idea
01:26:07
that uh you have 50% us ownership my
01:26:10
understanding is 60% of the investors
01:26:12
already are are us investors uh I will
01:26:15
work with him and Mike Waltz I know very
01:26:17
well we were co-chair of the India
01:26:19
caucus together in Congress I will work
01:26:21
with them in a bipartisan way to figure
01:26:22
out how do we have this app operational
01:26:25
if the Chinese government spies on their
01:26:26
own people why wouldn't they spy on
01:26:28
their adversary the American people well
01:26:31
certainly they would but the question is
01:26:32
are they uh can we protect the American
01:26:34
people from that happening on this app
01:26:37
we can uh as long as we have two clear
01:26:40
laws one that the data stays here by the
01:26:43
way a lot of the data that's going to CH
01:26:44
the China communist party is through
01:26:46
data Brokers there's no law against that
01:26:48
so pass a law that all data of Americans
01:26:51
if it goes to in the hands which by the
01:26:52
way there's us companies that are
01:26:53
selling that that data there's us
01:26:54
companies that are buying that data any
01:26:56
third party can access that data if they
01:26:58
want to buy it in one of the markets
01:27:00
that stuff exists it's existed for a
01:27:01
very long time yeah and and the irony of
01:27:05
it is going back to the trade deficit
01:27:07
China's got a the same week China
01:27:09
announces one trillion dollar Trade
01:27:11
Surplus they're building more drones
01:27:12
than us more ships than us more steel
01:27:15
than us uh we're talking about banning
01:27:17
this Tik Tock app electricity yeah know
01:27:19
what about the concept of reciprocity
01:27:21
would you be uh in favor of requiring
01:27:25
that we have our social networks in
01:27:26
China if they want to have theirs here I
01:27:29
would be in favor of us pushing for our
01:27:31
social media networks to be there just
01:27:33
because of Free Speech but I would not
01:27:35
allow the Chinese Communist party to be
01:27:38
controlling any social media app or
01:27:41
having any influence whether it's on Tik
01:27:43
Tok or whether it's on uh any other app
01:27:45
I don't want to name another app because
01:27:46
I don't want to malign other apps uh uh
01:27:49
incorrectly but they pass a law that
01:27:51
says it's a criminal offense if an
01:27:53
executive this country is found
01:27:56
collaborating or overseeing any app that
01:27:59
has any influence in the algorithms by
01:28:01
the Chinese Communist party or if our
01:28:03
data goes to the in the hands of the
01:28:04
Chinese Communist party you could you
01:28:06
could have a law while still keeping Tik
01:28:08
Tock operational yeah you litigate the
01:28:10
outcome you don't litigate the method I
01:28:12
I don't trust China as much as your
01:28:13
gentleman do um talk about Jason it's
01:28:16
not about trusting China and you keep
01:28:17
trying to characterize it as like people
01:28:18
being pro China if they're Pro free
01:28:20
speech or they're Pro giving people the
01:28:22
only platform you can you're making you
01:28:24
continue to make assumptions about
01:28:26
security when there are security issues
01:28:28
with a lot of apps and security issues
01:28:29
with a lot of phones they don't have the
01:28:31
same scale as Tik Tok this great the
01:28:33
scale of Tik Tok is extraordinary I'll
01:28:34
tell you where we got the politics wrong
01:28:36
I I mean so Donald Trump comes in there
01:28:39
and he says you know what the Chinese
01:28:41
took your jobs they took your steel jobs
01:28:43
they took your auto jobs and we're going
01:28:45
to have tariffs and by the way this Tik
01:28:48
Tock thing pretty popular app for young
01:28:51
people we're going to keep it what do
01:28:53
what what do we do we do the exact
01:28:55
opposite we are running ads we don't
01:28:57
want tariffs so we're telling all these
01:28:59
folks in the midwest that we're opposed
01:29:01
to the policies that could save some of
01:29:03
their jobs and then we're telling all
01:29:05
these young people that we want to ban
01:29:07
Tik Tok and fair they didn't take the
01:29:09
jobs we gave them to them at some point
01:29:12
I think we've got it one of the things
01:29:13
the Democrats need to do is stop
01:29:15
listening to the foreign policy blob and
01:29:17
the Beltway exe you know uh pundits who
01:29:21
got fancy titles and fancy think tanks
01:29:24
every time we get these letters 500
01:29:26
groups 200 groups I said who are these
01:29:28
groups these are 200 groups with 130
01:29:30
people it's like every person as three
01:29:32
groups and we're listening to them as
01:29:34
opposed
01:29:35
to I just popped up five groups while
01:29:37
we're speaking here you know and I and I
01:29:39
think part of what Trump was doing I
01:29:41
mean I I and I obviously totally oppose
01:29:43
him I voted for his impeachment twice
01:29:44
but it was sort of like in the in our
01:29:47
world AB testing or fast uh iterations
01:29:50
he' put out ideas he' get feedback he
01:29:53
iterates it may not call it that but
01:29:55
he's just kind of gauging where people
01:29:56
let's talk about one of those ideas
01:29:58
Americans want the border secure there's
01:30:00
no doubt about that the statistics just
01:30:01
show it 80% Americans want it kind of
01:30:04
shut down and be orderly and legal maybe
01:30:06
even more um but this idea that we're
01:30:10
going to drag 15 million people out of
01:30:12
the
01:30:13
country word drag because he continues
01:30:15
to no I'm just quoting Steve Bannon and
01:30:17
uh Stephen Miller who work uh one of
01:30:19
them worked in the first Administration
01:30:21
and architect is first win and the other
01:30:23
one is the most powerful person inside
01:30:25
the administration this time so I'm just
01:30:26
quoting people they say day one 15
01:30:28
million are going so do you think that's
01:30:32
actually going to happen and do you
01:30:33
think it should happen it shouldn't
01:30:36
happen whether it's actually going to
01:30:38
happen or not I don't know is the answer
01:30:41
whether they're going to try what do you
01:30:42
think should happen I think you should
01:30:44
have people who are convicted first of
01:30:46
all we need a secure border uh we need
01:30:49
to encourage people to come here through
01:30:52
the legal process like my parents did or
01:30:55
like so many you say encourage do you
01:30:56
say encourage or require require but but
01:30:59
but to do that we've got to have reform
01:31:01
to make that more possible because right
01:31:03
now that's a a a a very hard thing to do
01:31:07
uh and it wasn't as hard by the way when
01:31:08
my father came and the 1960s studied
01:31:11
engineering had a green card within
01:31:13
months of of of graduating so how do we
01:31:16
do that but of course uh require people
01:31:19
to come through the legal process uh and
01:31:21
secure the Border I don't deny that
01:31:23
there's been
01:31:24
the but and then for those who are
01:31:27
criminals here who are convicted
01:31:29
convicted of crimes fine Deport people
01:31:32
we all agree on that those all seem
01:31:34
logical and and obvious but but in terms
01:31:37
of so let me tell you someone in my
01:31:38
district without telling her name and
01:31:40
you you tell me what what should happen
01:31:41
with this person she's a she's been in
01:31:43
the country she's undocumented she came
01:31:45
to to to see me with a a group of people
01:31:49
uh she's a dental hygienist uh her
01:31:52
daughter is going to med school she
01:31:53
undocumented she's undocumented do you
01:31:55
consider yourself to be her
01:31:57
representative she's not a citizen of
01:31:58
the United States she doesn't have a
01:32:00
legal right to vote are you representing
01:32:02
that undocumented non-american person I
01:32:04
am supposed to represent everyone in the
01:32:06
district that lives there regardless of
01:32:08
their citizenry I I my my citizenship I
01:32:12
don't we don't ask in terms of their
01:32:14
citizenship in terms of just being a
01:32:16
representative of the area if everyone
01:32:18
no I won't but as a congress member you
01:32:19
believe that you should represent
01:32:21
non-americans that happen to be iled in
01:32:24
your region in your District I don't
01:32:26
think I don't think that I need to
01:32:27
represent their political views but if
01:32:29
they're being abused in terms of the
01:32:32
process in some way and they came to us
01:32:34
within the law uh we would figure out
01:32:37
how they got due process now would have
01:32:40
empathy and sympathy for the person
01:32:42
living in your District even if they
01:32:43
weren't legal is what you're saying I
01:32:45
think it's quite reasonable if I may
01:32:47
interpret yeah I mean that's that's a
01:32:48
more eloquent way of putting it but let
01:32:49
me just tell you about this this person
01:32:51
so she's she her daughter is in uh med
01:32:55
school in in Southern California she
01:32:57
drives down once a month and drives back
01:33:00
cuz she can't afford a hotel down there
01:33:02
and the reason she can't afford a hotel
01:33:03
is she's being underpaid as a dental
01:33:05
hygienist for 20 years now do you really
01:33:08
think we need to deport her and what is
01:33:10
that going to do to our daughter or do
01:33:11
can we find a path sounds like a great
01:33:14
potential American so well the the the
01:33:16
um the alternative point of view someone
01:33:18
would say I'll play the The Advocate the
01:33:20
devil's advocate here they would say but
01:33:22
there is another American who is
01:33:24
qualified to be a dental hygienist who
01:33:26
cannot get a job who would be getting
01:33:28
paid more because they are a citizen and
01:33:30
they are legal and documented this
01:33:32
person is undercharging their employer
01:33:35
and they are taking a job away from
01:33:37
American that's what the counterargument
01:33:38
would be from some people so there are
01:33:39
two things one I agree that if there's
01:33:42
someone who is in a position that is
01:33:44
undocumented or even on an H1B and they
01:33:47
are being underpaid that's wrong that's
01:33:50
why we need reform so that people are
01:33:52
being paid appropriately and aren't
01:33:55
being employers aren't abusing the
01:33:57
process to drive down Market wages but
01:33:59
the argument that they're taking
01:34:01
American jobs misses a central point and
01:34:03
that is when you have a immigrant as a
01:34:06
worker yes you're increasing the labor
01:34:08
Supply and the supp if you increase
01:34:10
Supply that drives down price or wages
01:34:13
but you're also increasing demand
01:34:14
because they're spending a lot of money
01:34:16
on things and most I've always viewed
01:34:18
this to be more of a demand part of the
01:34:20
equation for growing the US population
01:34:22
is you can actually increase the
01:34:23
economic growth so let's put a number on
01:34:25
this you know so clearly you don't
01:34:27
believe these people should be dragged
01:34:28
out of the country correct I think we're
01:34:30
in agreement on that some people are not
01:34:33
magga 1.0 do you believe they should be
01:34:35
dragged out it's a long uh let's I don't
01:34:37
want to put you on this F no no it's
01:34:39
it's not that simple um and I'm really
01:34:41
hung over today so I'm not going to be
01:34:42
super articulate about it um what about
01:34:45
that Dental High J who's been here for
01:34:46
20 years would you give her amnesty I
01:34:48
would seems like a great
01:34:50
American working hard a ly being
01:34:54
empathetic I think for me would always
01:34:56
be a priority that person should not
01:34:57
lose their job lose their life that's a
01:35:00
very hard circumstance at the same time
01:35:02
there are a lot of Americans who feel
01:35:04
they are getting underpaid that they
01:35:05
don't have jobs and there's empathy that
01:35:07
I think is part of the alternative side
01:35:08
of that equation so I would you know let
01:35:11
me let me ask this question whenever we
01:35:13
talk about
01:35:14
immigration we never have a number put
01:35:16
on it and we never have a point we don't
01:35:19
have a point based system here so it
01:35:21
devolves into this discussion we're
01:35:23
having right here which is oh they they
01:35:24
stole our jobs and wages are down in the
01:35:27
face of the lowest unemployment of our
01:35:29
lifetime uh 4% and seven eight million
01:35:32
jobs out there there's two jobs for
01:35:34
every person who's unemployed if you do
01:35:35
that basic math now of course there's
01:35:37
some disparity in people having the
01:35:39
skills to take certain jobs and and
01:35:41
geography putting all that aside we have
01:35:43
340 million Americans would a would an
01:35:45
easy situation here be to say we will
01:35:48
import People based on the need in the
01:35:50
country so if we don't have enough
01:35:52
people working in healthcare we're going
01:35:54
to open up um and if unemployment's
01:35:57
under 10% we'll have three million
01:35:59
people coming a year we'll have two
01:36:00
million people coming a year and just
01:36:01
put a number on it and then have
01:36:03
Americans and our Representatives debate
01:36:05
that number why don't you guys do this
01:36:09
well I say two things I think my view of
01:36:10
why we have lost jobs and stagnation has
01:36:13
been the offshoring of so much of our
01:36:14
industry and the hollowing out of towns
01:36:17
and communities where we just watched as
01:36:20
wealth piled up in districts like ours
01:36:21
not because we people in our district
01:36:24
stole the wealth from Youngstown or down
01:36:26
river it's just that the wealth was
01:36:28
piling up industry was being offshored
01:36:30
and there was kind of indifference
01:36:31
towards it and if we want real solutions
01:36:34
we need to have economic revitalization
01:36:36
instead of blaming the dental hygienist
01:36:37
in my district like that's not why uh
01:36:40
you know Johnstown or war in Ohio are
01:36:43
suffering they the broader point though
01:36:45
is that we have a number on uh green
01:36:47
cards and uh legal immigrants around 1.4
01:36:50
million a year uh and then we should de
01:36:54
how do we uh where which categories do
01:36:56
you want to increase it why uh and how
01:36:58
do you get people out of these status
01:37:00
where they're being underpaid I do think
01:37:02
that's what's hurting is this is whether
01:37:04
you're on an H1 and you're there for
01:37:06
years and you're being underpaid uh or
01:37:08
whether you're undocumented and being
01:37:10
underpaid that's hurts the American
01:37:12
worker far more than when that's such an
01:37:14
important Point people don't understand
01:37:16
this about the h-1bs is they are
01:37:18
transferable but you have 30 days which
01:37:20
makes essentially as it was explained to
01:37:23
me when I was in the it business these
01:37:25
are indentured servants and they don't
01:37:27
have choice and they have this you know
01:37:29
threat that they're constantly under if
01:37:31
you don't do what we say as an employer
01:37:33
and you don't accept the salary you're
01:37:34
going to be out of the country exactly
01:37:36
and you're going to have to take your
01:37:37
family with you would an easier solution
01:37:38
to be to just charge 10% of the salary
01:37:40
into a pool as a tax so people don't
01:37:43
abuse it the salaries go up have a
01:37:45
minimum salary and give them maybe a
01:37:47
year to find another job what do you
01:37:49
think of that I I think that type of a
01:37:52
solution is reasonable and have them be
01:37:54
paid well I mean this idea that they're
01:37:55
being abused you know put a floor or
01:37:58
have it be the prioritized based on the
01:38:01
the highest wages because that's a
01:38:02
reflective of uh talent coming in uh but
01:38:06
you know you don't want a situation like
01:38:07
now where you're on a H1 for three years
01:38:09
then you get it extended uh because you
01:38:12
apply for a green card to six years and
01:38:13
then while your green card application
01:38:15
is in process it keeps getting extended
01:38:17
so these folks are here 10 12 years and
01:38:20
and and and the abuse of it and and my
01:38:22
view is you know I think the American
01:38:24
people are pretty decent and fair I grew
01:38:26
up in Bucks County Pennsylvania It was
01:38:28
95 98% white it was a few
01:38:32
indian-american families and I grew up
01:38:33
with a belief that you could do anything
01:38:35
in America look at you and and you know
01:38:37
the country trusted me to represent a
01:38:39
district with1 trillion of value of the
01:38:42
most
01:38:43
economically prosperous Place perhaps in
01:38:45
the history of humanity Pro
01:38:48
perhaps right and I I I just think that
01:38:51
that is America and people are upset at
01:38:54
the extremes they're upset at the abuses
01:38:56
they're upset that there wasn't a
01:38:57
process at the border but deep down this
01:38:59
country has always been one that
01:39:02
Embraces uh immigration and most IM
01:39:04
almost most immigrants tend to be very
01:39:07
patriotic so when you hear Stephen
01:39:09
Miller say America is for Americans and
01:39:11
American only you think that flies in
01:39:12
the face of the spirit of this country I
01:39:16
say what does he mean by Americans I you
01:39:18
know what I want to do I'd love to have
01:39:19
lunch with them actually you know maybe
01:39:22
have him on all be great yeah you want
01:39:25
to join for that if we I'd love to and
01:39:27
you know we should all instead of just
01:39:28
reading every tweet you know read
01:39:30
Lincoln's I heard he's a guy that if you
01:39:32
sit down with him and have a long form
01:39:33
conversation you get a lot more than
01:39:35
what the the short form media uh bites
01:39:37
have been about him so I'd actually be
01:39:40
really yeah no I would love to have M
01:39:41
because I watch his entire speech and
01:39:42
the way he speaks seems incredibly
01:39:44
xenophobic and a bit racist to me so
01:39:46
what I would I would argue what I would
01:39:48
ask him about is is is without being too
01:39:52
uh uh pedantic about history is Lincoln
01:39:55
has the speech in 1858 uh on
01:39:57
Independence Day and the challenge for
01:40:00
Lincoln is to say how is a German
01:40:01
American or French americanamerican
01:40:02
because back then to be American you
01:40:04
literally had to trace one
01:40:07
great-grandparent who fought the
01:40:08
Revolutionary War how could you be
01:40:10
American if no one in your family fought
01:40:11
the Revolutionary War and Lincoln has
01:40:14
This brilliant formulation that he says
01:40:15
you're flesh of the Flesh Blood of the
01:40:17
blood uh of the founders if you believe
01:40:19
in the Constitution if you believe in
01:40:21
the Declaration of Independence and so
01:40:23
I'd say to Stephen do you do you still
01:40:25
believe that what how are you define
01:40:27
okay if you don't too right I mean we
01:40:28
could have that discussion in America if
01:40:29
we're pulling the ladder up now and
01:40:31
we're not a land of immigrants but I
01:40:33
agree with you I'm an immigrant I think
01:40:34
the immigrants are the most patriotic
01:40:36
that's why I believe in because you free
01:40:38
everything with well I mean you should
01:40:40
because You' done great things and look
01:40:41
what you're going to do for here from
01:40:44
sou you know South Africa when I was six
01:40:45
years old and I'm hanging out in
01:40:47
Washington DC with a congressman and how
01:40:48
many jobs have you created the president
01:40:50
and the vice president I get to meet all
01:40:51
these people and hang out with them and
01:40:53
you've created thousands of jobs and
01:40:56
you're going to create billions of extra
01:40:57
calories with these amazing Ohana
01:40:59
strawberries ohal is the
01:41:02
name I think I think my company might
01:41:04
actually be in your District you cover
01:41:05
Santa Cruz County uh no that's Jimmy
01:41:07
Panetta I see okay all right well no
01:41:08
favor sorry let me ask you a question um
01:41:10
do you think the United States should
01:41:11
spend $200 billion to acquire Greenland
01:41:13
from Denmark Denmark has $150
01:41:17
billion um uh debt they could build a
01:41:20
public pension plan they could here's
01:41:23
what are we trying to solve F first of
01:41:25
all I'm a a person that believes that we
01:41:27
need to respect the self-determination
01:41:29
of other countries that's what makes us
01:41:30
different than Britain that makes us
01:41:32
different than Rome the America you know
01:41:34
might even though we intervene in
01:41:35
foreign elections and use military force
01:41:38
to overturn foreign governments well
01:41:41
nobody's perfect there you go there you
01:41:43
go I gotta get this guy he's got my
01:41:46
talk you know if you ever if you ever
01:41:48
need a hype man or a campaign manager
01:41:50
let's go when you do your when you do
01:41:52
your run for governor yeah exactly by
01:41:54
the way this show has been brought to
01:41:55
you not only by row but also Roman go to
01:41:58
get Roman row we got to wrap up you got
01:42:00
to go no no hold on I want to hear the
01:42:01
Greenland
01:42:03
green no but but the question is why
01:42:06
what interest does Greenland have they
01:42:08
have critical minerals they have uh a
01:42:10
lot of uh important resources and
01:42:14
basically they want to partner
01:42:15
economically with us they're letting us
01:42:17
invest they're letting us develop it so
01:42:20
what what what what do we gain so you're
01:42:21
saying we could achieve our objective
01:42:23
without without it becoming a Terr what
01:42:25
about Puerto Ric by way do you really
01:42:27
want here's here's my cautionary tale I
01:42:29
think this could be the dispositive
01:42:31
argument every time Bernie Sanders ran
01:42:34
you know what he talked about the
01:42:36
politics of Denmark you only want
01:42:38
Greenland as state we're gonna get to
01:42:40
Denmark they call it getting to Denmark
01:42:42
GRE is gonna that's gonna that those two
01:42:45
senators are going to be Democratic
01:42:47
senators watch the interviews that have
01:42:49
come out on Twitter from the people that
01:42:50
live in Greenland they're sick of the
01:42:51
Socialist you know kind of overseers I
01:42:54
think they do want to have a different
01:42:55
way of governing I don't know I'm gonna
01:42:57
have more kids if I get two years of
01:42:58
fraternity it sounds pretty amazing yeah
01:43:01
but it is I mean look I I don't think
01:43:02
that you're necessarily getting that but
01:43:03
there's aboutto Ric it's an important
01:43:05
question is like does um does the United
01:43:09
States need territorial Dominion to
01:43:13
achieve its strategic objectives I'm
01:43:15
open I'm openminded what about Puerto
01:43:16
Rico well I there it too like look every
01:43:19
Democrat is like oh we want Porto R why
01:43:21
because you're going to get two
01:43:21
Democratic senators in Cong people but
01:43:24
my view is it should be a Puerto Rico
01:43:25
self a referendum 8 90% want to do it
01:43:28
you'd be down yes if they want to join
01:43:30
the United States because that's a
01:43:31
different thing there there we you know
01:43:33
we basically took that as a territory
01:43:34
now let's see what they want to do I'm
01:43:37
all for it let's go straight to 60
01:43:38
states are you are you running for
01:43:39
governor of California no are you why
01:43:42
not you done such a great job you you're
01:43:45
a no not you WR I I I I think I I think
01:43:50
there's a I I love being in Congress I
01:43:52
love representing Valley and I have been
01:43:54
focused on how do we get uh innovation
01:43:57
technology partnering with communities
01:43:59
to to have economic rev if you were
01:44:02
asked would you consider but didn't I
01:44:03
see a rumor this week that someone said
01:44:04
something that you were am I wrong I
01:44:06
think someone may have floated a rumor
01:44:08
I'm trying to get out asked by your
01:44:09
party and the citizens of California
01:44:11
would you consider would you consider it
01:44:13
is that's just a consider I consider
01:44:15
anything you know there you go all right
01:44:17
he consider your campaign manager my my
01:44:20
I need I mean he's good well I got some
01:44:23
he's got his moments I'll give him
01:44:26
that that's a wrap from the 47th
01:44:30
inauguration of the United States and
01:44:31
we'll see you next time byebye
