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well let's uh let's just go around the
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horn who voted for Trump let's all raise
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their hands for those who voted for
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Trump ready one two three go I voted
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twice I voted twice me too for me it was
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so easy how many swing Stakes did you
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vote in I voted in four swing stage they
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sent multiple ballots to my house I
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filled in all of
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them cut this out okay let's
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start your winner
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ride Rainman David
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and instead we open source it to the
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fans and they've just gone crazy
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dear in my heart she needed more time if
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she if we had given her more time that
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that was a tough situation yeah she
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would have crushed all of us 4 V one
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tough yeah but it's going to be a great
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this is just to have fun guys this is
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great time so we hope everyone will join
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tickets and how much is this costing us
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you a million buckss
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we're going to lose money on this the
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idea was how many tiets are we selling
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not enough apparently not enough yeah
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what's the total attendance size SX you
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just won the White House I think you're
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fine anybody can do this anyone can do
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this math how many how many how big is
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the theater and what are we charging for
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the tickets well it's not a theater so
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there's like the tickets are like 500
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bucks I love you being the moderator and
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taking all the arrows this is
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great never moderating again well it's
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the PFA remember where they used to have
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the Exploratorium that that building
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where they they built for the the
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World's Fair or whatever so it's in
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there and it's all empty so we're kind
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of taking that we're building a stage
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inside we're going to build all the set
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and everything yeah should be fun okay
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so um it sounds great yeah if you could
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take some pictures sax would love to
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only unless it's marago saak will not
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show up I want to just congratulate like
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oh we're spending a million dollars I
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won't be
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there okay sorry keep going I want to
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congratulate someone really special uh
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without whom Trump would likely not have
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been elected
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president so your bravery your Ingenuity
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your
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creativity you led the way and you
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brought millions of people the direct
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news they couldn't get anywhere else
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Jason congrats by putting the all-in Pod
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you've inadvertently architected a
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system that's helped return Trump to the
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White House and for that many people are
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praising you today congrats Jason how
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does it feel to have finally accompl
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your dream feels great yeah absolutely
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yeah big shout out to J I did see a
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tweet where somebody somebody gave me a
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lot of credit for moving the Overton
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window in Silicon Valley and they said
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that Jason was indispensable as my foil
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if I didn't have him to dunk on for four
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years with my political takes it
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wouldn't have been nearly as effective
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so thank you for that absolutely not
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yeah my pleasure I'm I am Abit to your
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internal MSM debating partner um we
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needed someone to represent the Legacy
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Media point of view absolutely
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absolutely okay so let's kick it off
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saak you were at maral Lago on election
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night I thought it' just be great if you
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could tell us a little bit about what
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the scene was like how was it and when
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did you guys kind of know that Trump had
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kind of the victory in the bag was it
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pre uh the polls coming in because you
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had poster data early or you know tell
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us a little bit about the experience
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there and when it all kind of came
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together yeah I went over there I guess
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around 7:30 I want to say Eastern Time
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Tucker invited me to come on his show
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Tucker was doing a live stream from the
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library at moral Lago I'd actually never
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been over there before there was also a
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dinner going on in the ballroom which
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was I think primarily for maral Lago
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members and you know there were some
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Senators there members of The Campaign
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and then there was another room set up
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with a bunch of TVs for basically the
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the staff to watch the results come in
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when I first got there people were kind
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of just watching trying to find out the
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early results I would say that the The
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Whispers were positive but people didn't
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fundly know more than the rest of us you
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know everyone's kind of waiting for the
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results to come in I did get a chance to
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take a photo with the president actually
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Elon came in separately around the same
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time and we got a very memorable
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photograph here when I shook the
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president's hand I got to tell you he
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was cool as a cucumber he did not seem
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nervous did he feel confident like he
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had it in the bag yeah I think he was
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confident but I don't think he was
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acting like he had it in the bag or
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anything like that they didn't know yet
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but he was just super super relaxed and
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calm and um taking photos with everyone
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a good you remember the moment when his
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hand touched yours take us to that just
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unpack it a little
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bit give you the shake he gives that
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little shake to exert a little dominance
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did he give you the shake it was just a
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normal handshake but my point is like I
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could detect no nervousness whatsoever
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on his part and look the rest of us were
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we were like nervous we were wondering
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what was whole country was nervous yeah
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yeah and what were you guys doing just
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hanging out having cocktails having
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dinner just everyone was Meandering
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chilling what's the scene what's the
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scene like at Marva Lago there's a
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dinner in the ballroom actually I saw
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Jared there Jared was very nice to me he
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he asked me do you want to sit down at
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the at the dinner and I I could have
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joined him but then I decided to do the
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the live stream with you guys and I
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pulled in Don Jr and we did the live
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stream with with Don
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Jr like I said are you officially a Mara
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Lago member by the way for 500 large oh
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my Lord is that true 500,000 well that's
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what Don junr told us but look there's a
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process to get in I mean I don't I don't
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live in Palm Beach I I think it's the
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Palm Beach Community is members of mar
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Lago yeah so I think that there were you
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know it wasn't a huge group of people at
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maral Lago and really all the supporters
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were convened at the convention center
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in Palm Beach there were thousands of
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people there I think originally they had
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talked about doing a election night
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party at maral Lago but it just got too
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big so they moved it to the convention
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center so I don't know whatever it was
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that I dropped off the live stream with
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you guys I then moved to the convention
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center Got Back back on with new and
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then we were kind of waiting at the
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convention center we were all feeling
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good increasingly so throughout the
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night I would say that when Pennsylvania
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finally got called then I think everyone
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knew that it was in the bag at that
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point and it was just a matter of time
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before the election got called for for
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Trump and then you know at some point
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they kind of hurted us downstairs into
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that large Ballroom where Trump gave his
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victory speech with the rest of the
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campaign staff so the final t it looks
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like is going to be 3112 Electoral
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College votes for president Donald Trump
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versus KLA Harris's
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226 just for context in 2016 Trump won
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with 304 electoral votes and Biden won
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in 20120 with
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306 so it's a pretty sweeping Victory he
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won all the supposed swing States this
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year fairly resoundingly there's there's
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no real super close calls there's some
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close calls but but pretty resounding
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victory chth what happened wow it's a
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it's a really good question I think that
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there's many layers of the
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answer but I think in its most basic
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calculation I think that the bottom fell
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out of the democratic party and if
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you look at
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why there's
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a simple explanation and then there's
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the more nuanced explanation I think the
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simple explanation is like they just
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lost the
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script I think that there was so many
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people that just got really tired of
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being spoken
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at and
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labeled misogynist racist fascist
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transphobe whatever it was and there was
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just these Litany of these judgmental
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labels that would come out instead of
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engaging on the topics at hand so I
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think the Democratic party played this
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game of trying to use
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identities genders
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races as a bid to basically get people
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that they thought should always vote in
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their direction to continue to support
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them and instead what happened was
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people just started to think for
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themselves and say hold on a second I'm
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just a normal person that wants to be
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left alone what matters to me and I
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think what Donald Trump spoke to was a
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desire for folks to have economic
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Prosperity a safe neighbor
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neighborhood a predictable educational
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curriculum where these kids could go to
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school not be indoctrinated and come out
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the other side and just know some useful
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skills so that they could get a good job
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and do better than they did and all
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these basic truths ended up on the
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ballot and so it was a bunch of
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perception versus just a bunch of hard
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realities and I think Trump stayed
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focused and
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ultimately made sure that people
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understood that that's what he was
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focused on and I think the Democrats
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just went to this place of demagoguery
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and labels and I think it was just a
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resounding defeat and David I just want
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you to like just to put a pin in on how
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resounding it
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is in California and New York which I
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would say are the two most prolific
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bastions of elitist liberal
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thinking Democrats won those States in
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some of the narrowest margins they've
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ever
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seen I think in 2020 they won California
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by 29 Points it was barely half is what
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they won by this year in New York it
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shrunk to a 12-point margin so what is
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this telling you it's telling you that
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the Democrats really need to retool and
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get back to First principles it was a
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cataclysmic
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dismissal of wokeism of cancel culture
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of
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judgmentalism it was an ringing
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endorsement of a meritocracy
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of just plain simple common
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sense of talking with people and to
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people being able to tolerate
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disagreements remaining
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friends all of those things were on the
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ballot and it it was just an absolute
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resounding victory for just
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normaly that's what I think we saw we
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saw a return to normaly Jason do you
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think that that message got across more
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clearly in this election than ever
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before as some have claimed because of
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the power of alternative media for
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reaching the audience rather than having
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everything pushed through reporters and
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traditional Legacy Media in this case
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many of the candidates particularly on
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the Republican side went direct to the
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audience through long form podcasts like
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ours but also Joe Rogan and Lex and many
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others and did that move the needle for
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a lot of people in a way that won this
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or was it the policies and the
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difference alone yeah I well clearly
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being on podcast was a major part of
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Trump's strategy that people are
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starting to report on right now and you
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know in media you go where the audience
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is and I think the Democrats just didn't
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get that now stepping back I think the
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number one problem here is the candidate
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that the Democrats put up and probably
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the close number two is inflation and
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you know the economy as you know we all
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know it's the economy stupid if you were
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paying $2 for a cheeseburger at
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McDonald's and now it's $4 that's what
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people are going to remember and the
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inflation that occurred over this last
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four years was huge and people cited
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that over and over and over again so
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there's probably three buckets you could
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put this conversation into there's the
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candidate KLA Harris was a terrible
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candidate she was put in at the last
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minute and she was annointed and she
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didn't go through a proper primary I
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think that's probably number one in this
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entire thing it was a terrible candidate
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you're saying you're saying number one
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is the candidate I number one's the
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candidate uh number two I think because
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remember Trump was incredibly unpopular
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as well and all credit to Trump for
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winning and running an incredible
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campaign I mean just they they crushed
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it on podcast with JD Vance turned out
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to be spectacular on podcasts and really
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delivered the
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message and um you know then number two
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is obviously inflation in the economy
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and then I think number three is the
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bucket that shamat started with which is
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the country really really does not like
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being told that they're racist or sexist
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Etc cancel culture and you put those
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three things
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together one of the things that's coming
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out right now is some of the ads and
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we'll play an ad here I wanted you guys
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to see this I think this ad sums up
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exactly how bad kamla
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was and we'll combine this ad with just
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some of the statistics that have come
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out of how many people have gone right
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this is Charlemagne the God from The
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Breakfast Club for those who don't know
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in a Donald Trump ad taxpayer funded sex
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changes for prison
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surgery um for prisoners for prisoners
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every
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transgender inmate in the prison system
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would have access hell no I don't want
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my taxpayer dollars going to that comma
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supports transgender sex changes in jail
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with our money comma even supports
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letting biological men compete against
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our girls in their Sports Kamala is for
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they them
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president Trump is for you I'm Donald J
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Trump and I approve this message and so
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how does kamla come back from this with
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black voters with male voters with
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people who are tired of having this
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agenda shoved down their throat
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obviously it's going to be incredibly
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difficult plus she was in charge of the
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Border claimed she wasn't plus she was
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in charge of uh you know and Biden were
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in charge of the economy when inflation
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spiked terrible candidate combined with
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a bad track record combined with a
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flawless campaign from Trump I think
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easy Victory and you know if we pull up
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this uh ft chart Nick that I sent you
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ahead of time and I tweeted this you
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know Americans Love winners and
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Innovation and they hate socialism and
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this woke nonsense and if you look at
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how Trump's support increased look at
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this chamat every single demographic
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black Asian Hispanic 18 to 29 30 to 34
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fale white college men except for two 6
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5year old plus very moderately very
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modestly went left and white college
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women very modestly went left in terms
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of increasing support otherwise a hard
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shift right including some categories so
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so so the biggest the biggest shift
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right was in Hispanic and Asian
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population right and these are groups of
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people I think who you you can you can
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double click on young people Hispanic
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and Asians Asians believe in meritocracy
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I think is what most people have read
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into that dramatic swing and Hispanics
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are anti or more traditional family
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values and that's probably what pushed
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that so far right but I wanted to just
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get your take on that chart chamama in
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relation to your handicapping of the
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election and then how much comma and how
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much the inflation played into it I
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think that there are three ways to kind
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of identify and tell me if you guys
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think these are the wrong vectors
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there's either the
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policies the candidate
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and the methods of the campaign all of
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it it's all three right that's how I
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kind of break down what happened in this
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election cycle there's a a big
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difference between the candidates as
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people some people cannot see past the
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fact that comma did not get any primary
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vote some people cannot see past yep the
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behavior of Donald Trump on Twitter and
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when he talks to people and how he has
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talked to people and perceived to be a
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bully and the felony conviction and some
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people cannot get past other factors of
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those two candidates and then some
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people can get past it I've been saying
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this since I'm blew in the face but I'll
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try it
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again I think that the mainstream media
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has been working hand inhand with the
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Democratic party to propagate and move
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forward an agenda that tried to vilify
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Donald
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Trump I did not know that when I
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initially encountered him in 2015 as a
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candidate but what you're supposed to do
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as an adult is once you start to see a
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pattern of behavior you know this is for
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the safety security of your family this
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is about how you think about
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economically taking care of your family
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like you have to
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reerrr you must be prepared to change
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your mind when you see important
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information and I have said this till I
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blew in the face but I'll say it again
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if I think of all of the
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people in the political infrastructure
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of America that I have met
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and spent time with from Bill Clinton on
00:19:02
I remember sitting and having dinner
00:19:04
with Barack Obama the day of
00:19:06
brexit and getting a note that he read
00:19:09
and he said oh my gosh and says wow the
00:19:12
UK just pulled out I was sitting across
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from him that dinner I've been with all
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of these
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people the Democrats only come to me to
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ask me for
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money the only
00:19:26
politician that has ever called me
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just to have a
00:19:31
conversation just to say thank you and
00:19:33
be kind the only one has been Donald
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Trump isn't that incredible of all of
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the people every other person has only
00:19:41
ever called and asked me for
00:19:44
money so what does that mean I think
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what it means is that there has been a
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concerted
00:19:50
effort to perturb the
00:19:53
way that you interpret who he
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is separately there's been a concerted
00:20:00
effort to prop up whoever is sitting
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against him in
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opposition and I think this is an
00:20:07
opportunity to finally acknowledge that
00:20:10
if you trust these traditional Legacy
00:20:12
sources of helping you to get to a
00:20:16
decision you're going to get tricked
00:20:18
there's that old saying you know fool me
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once shame on you but fool me twice
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shame on me because I am now allowing
00:20:27
this to happen
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and I think that for a lot of Americans
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that is what happened I think it is
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really as simple as that I think they
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were able to see through the
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veneer of an
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attempt to malign and Corner somebody
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and on the other side an
00:20:46
attempt to basically play on Vibes and
00:20:49
feelings and emotions and I don't think
00:20:52
that America wants that that is not what
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they want in running the country they
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want somebody serious running the
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country where you can have disagreements
00:21:00
with them and you can still find an
00:21:02
opportunity to work together with those
00:21:04
people I think it's that sex do you do
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you think about how important the policy
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versus the
00:21:13
individual versus the way they ran the
00:21:16
campaign the media and how they reached
00:21:18
people as as kind of three vectors and
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if so how would you kind of rank those
00:21:22
three in importance and what changed
00:21:24
people's votes and got them to vote
00:21:25
differently than they did in the last
00:21:27
election yeah I think it's a pretty good
00:21:28
framework I mean you have the message
00:21:30
you have the messenger and I guess you
00:21:32
have the the campaign at a tactical
00:21:34
level I think it's a little bit unfair
00:21:37
to blame this entire defeat on KLA
00:21:39
Harris being a bad messenger or
00:21:42
candidate it's true she's not the
00:21:44
greatest candidate she has a lot of
00:21:46
problems however I don't think she was
00:21:48
dealt particularly strong hand the fact
00:21:51
the matter is that we did have rampant
00:21:55
inflation in this country that really
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hurt people in their pocketbooks every
00:21:59
time they went to the grocery store and
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that resulted from the trillions of
00:22:03
spending that was agreed to by virtually
00:22:05
the entire Democratic party remember
00:22:08
they not only did they pass trillions in
00:22:10
spending they wanted four and a half
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trillion more for build back better and
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the only reason that didn't happen is
00:22:15
because mansion and Cinema voted against
00:22:17
it and can you imagine how much worse
00:22:20
how much worse would have been Mansion
00:22:22
was driven into retirement and Cinema
00:22:24
was basically kicked out of the party
00:22:25
she effectively told us that at the
00:22:26
all-in summit so this defeat is on the
00:22:29
entire Democratic party the Democratic
00:22:32
party was in support of Joe Biden and
00:22:34
KLA Harris's agenda they were in support
00:22:36
of the de facto open border policies
00:22:39
they were in support of the softon crime
00:22:41
Soros da decarceral policies you can see
00:22:45
that even in California which is a deep
00:22:47
blue State there's a huge backlash huge
00:22:50
this sort of insane soft on crime agenda
00:22:54
the Democrats have 70% of California
00:22:57
voted for prop 36
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which basically reversed the excesses of
00:23:01
Prop 47 which a decade ago basically
00:23:04
made shoplifting legal in California you
00:23:07
know who opposed prop 36 despite its
00:23:09
massive popularity Gavin Nome KLA Harris
00:23:12
wouldn't say whether she supported it or
00:23:14
not so what you see is that even in blue
00:23:16
States the Democratic party Elites are
00:23:19
completely out of touch with what people
00:23:21
want and then finally you've got foreign
00:23:23
policy where I think that the the
00:23:26
Democratic agenda basically one to
00:23:28
engage in a proxy war with Vladimir
00:23:30
Putin because he's the Incarnation of
00:23:32
all evil that I think is blown up in the
00:23:35
collective West face that has been a
00:23:37
disaster that was supported by the
00:23:39
entire Democratic party so on issue
00:23:42
after issue that I think mattered in
00:23:43
this election you cannot just put the
00:23:46
blame on KLA Harris it's got to be on
00:23:48
the Democratic party as a whole and just
00:23:50
to Echo what Chamas said about the
00:23:53
cultural stuff they've talked down to us
00:23:55
they've lectured us they've insulted us
00:23:58
they've censored us they've gaslit us
00:24:01
they've tried to cancel us they've tried
00:24:02
to cancel us they tried to punish
00:24:03
descent with Warfare they turned Elon
00:24:06
into an enemy which was the single worst
00:24:08
own goal in history remember this wasn't
00:24:11
just and Joe Rogan don't
00:24:13
forget out as well Bernie supported Joe
00:24:16
Rogan but with Elon it wasn't just
00:24:18
disinviting him we never inviting him to
00:24:19
the EV Summit it goes all the way back
00:24:22
to Lena Gonzalez's tweet telling him to
00:24:24
F off and leave the state of California
00:24:27
so look the Democrat party as a whole
00:24:29
has to own this and they're not going to
00:24:32
start winning elections again until they
00:24:34
have an improvement in their agenda not
00:24:37
just their messenger so saak is this the
00:24:39
nature of democracy that over time when
00:24:44
you have a two-party system and one
00:24:46
party veers too far to the left or one
00:24:48
party veers too far to the right people
00:24:51
jump ship to the other party and
00:24:53
ultimately they pull the policies of the
00:24:55
party that they left back to the middle
00:24:57
and that's the way democracy is supposed
00:24:59
to work and has worked historically so
00:25:01
is this the way it's supposed to go and
00:25:03
do we project that four years from now
00:25:06
the Democrats will need to be and need
00:25:07
to adjust to the center and will'll see
00:25:10
less of this extremism because of the
00:25:12
way the voting turned out this this I
00:25:15
think that's a very interesting question
00:25:17
is whether the Democrats have the
00:25:19
necessary introspection to learn from
00:25:21
this loss I would say that one of them
00:25:24
does if you look at Mat glacius who's
00:25:25
someone I've sparred with on on Twitter
00:25:28
X who is a Democrat partisan he
00:25:30
basically tweeted a list of principles
00:25:33
that he thought the Democratic party
00:25:34
needed to adopt I read it and retweeted
00:25:36
I said laughing my ass off this is a
00:25:38
list of Republican principles it was all
00:25:40
about you know opposing woke and being
00:25:42
in favor of Merit and Innovation
00:25:44
tolerance I'm like great look you know
00:25:46
what if the Democratic party wants to
00:25:47
adopt these principles that's a
00:25:49
wonderful thing for the country I hope
00:25:51
that they do it okay but will they do it
00:25:54
I have my doubts you look at this tweet
00:25:57
by Ari f
00:25:58
where he talks about who the Democratic
00:26:00
party now is yeah I think that this is a
00:26:03
really important tweet because it sort
00:26:04
of tells you Sak who's going to be left
00:26:06
in the
00:26:07
room if these are the only people left
00:26:10
in the room the last thing they're going
00:26:11
to do is admit defeat right exactly so
00:26:13
what you see is that the Democratic
00:26:16
party base is these very affluent very
00:26:20
overeducated very non-religious types
00:26:23
and frankly I wonder whether they're too
00:26:25
out of touch to know they're out of
00:26:26
touch they're certainly very whiny and
00:26:28
entitled and I just don't think they're
00:26:31
going to
00:26:32
seed control of the party without a
00:26:34
fight and frankly they've disappeared so
00:26:37
far up their own woke asses that I don't
00:26:40
think they can find an electoral
00:26:42
majority if they try so if these people
00:26:44
stay in control of the party and these
00:26:47
are the people who you're seeing having
00:26:48
a mental breakdown on Tik Tok they're
00:26:50
posting all the videos they're insulting
00:26:52
the electorate and let's face it it's
00:26:54
not just on Tik Tok it's on the Legacy
00:26:56
Media it's on msdnc
00:26:58
it's basically the the Legacy Media who
00:27:00
are trying to diagnose a psychosis in
00:27:04
the American electorate to explain why
00:27:06
they were so wrong if those people stay
00:27:08
in control I think that the Republicans
00:27:11
could have an electoral majority as far
00:27:12
as the eye can see I completely agree
00:27:15
with you and I'll go even further which
00:27:16
is I think that the Democrats will lose
00:27:19
one of California or New York in the
00:27:22
next eight years if they don't attack
00:27:24
right that so that's the key question
00:27:26
they're not going to attack if you think
00:27:27
that the intelligent Genia quote unquote
00:27:30
the Bill Gates readed Hoffman of the
00:27:33
world that funds Dustin moskovitz that
00:27:35
funds the Democratic apparatus at the
00:27:38
highest
00:27:39
level if they can't change what are the
00:27:43
odds that the state infrastructure or
00:27:46
the local infrastructure changes I think
00:27:48
maybe on the margins the local
00:27:50
infrastructure can change more quickly
00:27:53
and adeptly because it just costs a lot
00:27:55
less money and it's much more
00:27:56
concentrated
00:27:58
but I think the states are very lagered
00:28:00
in that sense and I think that they take
00:28:02
the table scraps of what's left over so
00:28:04
if if you have the Democrats lead there
00:28:07
is no chance that if unless they change
00:28:09
the planks of their platform that the
00:28:12
state legislatures in New York and
00:28:13
California are going to change what they
00:28:14
believe Nick pull up the the link I just
00:28:17
sent so let me just underscore an
00:28:19
important aspect for you guys on this
00:28:20
which is the amount that the Democrats
00:28:22
spent in this campaign and obviously
00:28:24
they saw a significant negative return
00:28:26
they lost across the board Senate
00:28:28
majority House Majority governorships
00:28:31
the White House but they spent more here
00:28:33
you can see the difference between the
00:28:35
Harris campaign and the Trump campaign
00:28:37
spending Harris campaign spent nearly
00:28:39
$900 million the Trump campaign 350
00:28:42
million if you look at the super pcts
00:28:45
the super PCT spent 1.4 billion on the
00:28:47
Dem side roughly 400 million 450 million
00:28:51
on the Republican side and if you scroll
00:28:53
down in some of these key Senate races
00:28:56
the Dems far out spent the Republicans
00:28:58
and still lost the Ohio Senate race
00:29:00
shared Brown $58 million of spending
00:29:03
Bernie Moreno 21 million and Bernie
00:29:05
Moreno had a resounding Victory John
00:29:07
tester 84 million is spending Tim shei
00:29:09
22 million T Tim shei won the uh the
00:29:12
election so across the board the
00:29:15
spending was greater the return was
00:29:18
negative because money cannot overcome
00:29:20
common sense so my question again is
00:29:23
does this not necessitate attack to the
00:29:26
center for the Democrats they want to
00:29:28
see the party survive and if they're
00:29:30
going to continue to lose like this they
00:29:32
will not continue to maintain the same
00:29:33
policy agenda that got them into this
00:29:35
position in the first place jcal do you
00:29:38
think that the Democratic party will
00:29:39
need to tack to the center and that
00:29:41
they're going to start to adjust because
00:29:42
of this they they started that process
00:29:44
they knew that going into this election
00:29:46
and they started moving to the center it
00:29:48
was laughable in some cases because you
00:29:50
have like kamla talking about providing
00:29:53
sex changes for prisoners and you know
00:29:56
all of those receipts came out out so
00:29:58
even as she started to try to get to the
00:30:00
center people didn't buy it so of course
00:30:02
they're going to but what's very
00:30:04
interesting about spend there and the
00:30:06
genius of trump is earned media what's
00:30:08
earned media when you are trying to get
00:30:11
hits in media you will put them into two
00:30:13
buckets paid and earned what you just
00:30:16
showed was paid paid is considered what
00:30:18
you do if you can't earn media Allin
00:30:21
podcast is an example of earned media we
00:30:24
do this every week we earned our
00:30:26
audience we didn't pay anybody for this
00:30:28
audience and I think that was you know
00:30:30
what Trump did uh and JD importantly
00:30:33
someone someone that comes on the show
00:30:34
earns that uh correct so that's the
00:30:37
piece of this that I think is so
00:30:38
important you don't have to pay to go on
00:30:40
Joe Rogan but the candidate that the
00:30:43
Democrats put out there was so bad that
00:30:47
she could not even and I think Sax's you
00:30:50
know Master at setting people up here
00:30:54
the the Democrats put up a horrible
00:30:56
horrible candidate and I know sax is
00:30:58
saying oh it's not kala's fault kala
00:31:01
could not go on Joe Rogan because they
00:31:04
knew that it would be so embarrassing
00:31:06
and that she would get so embarrassed
00:31:07
that it would lose her votes his Doom
00:31:10
Loop uh you know observation from I
00:31:13
don't know eight weeks ago you had that
00:31:15
sax was exactly correct the more she
00:31:18
spoke the more she started going down
00:31:20
she was leading Trump at one point on
00:31:22
poly Market in some of these places and
00:31:25
she absolutely proved that she could
00:31:27
would not communicate well and so and I
00:31:31
just want to just circle back to the
00:31:33
point about inflation here's the
00:31:36
McDonald price increases that I was
00:31:37
mentioning before end of 2019 you could
00:31:40
buy a McChicken for a buck 29 and in mid
00:31:42
2024 it was
00:31:44
$389 the majority of Americans wind up
00:31:48
going to Taco Bell McDonald's every week
00:31:51
some cases multiple times a week you
00:31:53
cannot discount exactly how profound
00:31:58
this cost of eating food and buying
00:32:01
groceries had on this election it is the
00:32:04
number one issue I think this election
00:32:06
we can talk in our bubble about it but
00:32:09
about inflation this is what I mean by a
00:32:11
return to normaly these are normal
00:32:13
people problems how much does it cost to
00:32:16
put food on the table how much does it
00:32:18
cost to drive from point A to point B I
00:32:20
want to send my kid to a school where
00:32:22
they go and they learn the ABCs and the
00:32:24
one 123s because they're going to have
00:32:26
to graduate and compete with India and
00:32:28
China I don't want to worry about
00:32:30
indoctrination and all this other stuff
00:32:32
absolutely yeah so look I I did predict
00:32:34
the Doom Loop for Comm Harris two months
00:32:36
ago because she is just not good at
00:32:38
interviews or being off the cuff or
00:32:40
being unscripted not good is generous
00:32:43
yeah s sxra Damas was right about that
00:32:45
absolutely however and I would say the
00:32:47
biggest problem in her campaign is that
00:32:49
she would neither defend the Biden
00:32:52
Harris record nor say what she would do
00:32:54
differently the question you have to ask
00:32:56
is why and I think it's because she was
00:32:59
in a really tough position that her own
00:33:02
party put her in which is they said you
00:33:04
can't criticize Joe Biden yep because
00:33:06
he's the sitting president but at the
00:33:08
same time you can't defend him either
00:33:12
because he's so unpopular well what made
00:33:14
him unpopular Democratic party policies
00:33:17
they should have frankly looking back
00:33:19
they should have just let Joe Biden
00:33:21
defend his own record the old man must
00:33:24
have been in the White House nashing his
00:33:26
teeth saying please put me in the game
00:33:29
let me defend my own record he at least
00:33:31
believed in it the Democrats wouldn't
00:33:33
defend their own record because it was
00:33:35
so bad you have to put some blame for
00:33:37
that not just on KLA but on the entire
00:33:40
party that's my only Point sax it's so
00:33:42
obvious that the technique they used to
00:33:45
defeat Trump in 2020 after those chaotic
00:33:47
four years was hey do you want normaly
00:33:51
and thenni is that 15 million votes what
00:33:54
wait what's
00:33:55
that I I didn't hear the the joke I said
00:33:58
what what tactic was that 15 million
00:34:01
extra oh you're please don't start with
00:34:03
the conspiracy theories
00:34:05
well going to say this has to be a
00:34:08
conspiracy theory
00:34:11
nowy right who's the chart from what's
00:34:14
the Providence of the chart just just so
00:34:16
you know the Y AIS starts at 50 million
00:34:18
so don't be you know like a little too
00:34:20
crazy like they they mailed hold on we
00:34:22
go down this rabit let me just finish my
00:34:24
point then you guys can go to conspiracy
00:34:25
corner and say the election was stolen
00:34:27
the point I'm making here is obviously
00:34:30
Biden ran a very successful campaign
00:34:32
against Trump based on Vibes and based
00:34:34
on his creating chaos in the country in
00:34:37
most people's mind and this return to
00:34:39
normaly so that did work for them
00:34:41
previously it just didn't work this time
00:34:44
because they had to defend their record
00:34:46
on the border they needed to defend
00:34:47
their record on the economy and saxs is
00:34:49
exactly right they didn't touch that and
00:34:52
how do you not talk about their own
00:34:55
record and their record had some good
00:34:57
bright response to it record low
00:34:59
employment record high stock market and
00:35:02
we tamed inflation and they could have
00:35:04
had a really great discussion about
00:35:05
inflation and just said Hey listen both
00:35:08
of the last two terms there was a lot of
00:35:10
spending and so inflation manifested
00:35:12
during the last four years and uh hey we
00:35:14
tamed it so here we are we still have
00:35:16
record low unemployment we still have a
00:35:19
record high stock market and we tamed
00:35:21
inflation things are going to get better
00:35:23
but she couldn't even communicate that I
00:35:24
can communicate that better than the
00:35:26
presidential candidate
00:35:28
come on she could have easily done that
00:35:30
free let me just go back to your point
00:35:31
about the money it is true that the
00:35:32
Democrats had roughly three times as
00:35:35
much money as the Republicans did the
00:35:38
Democrats had something like a billion
00:35:39
dollars for this campaign the
00:35:41
Republicans had presal campaign for the
00:35:43
presidential campaign exactly the
00:35:45
Republicans obviously still won in a
00:35:47
landslide I'm sorry that excludes that
00:35:49
excludes the super pcts which had
00:35:50
additional funding that were going
00:35:51
towards supporting the nominee as fair
00:35:53
enough my point is just the Democrats
00:35:54
had a massive advantage on the money
00:35:56
side they also I think think had a
00:35:58
massive advantage on what you would call
00:36:01
the Legacy Media side I mean I don't
00:36:04
know how you put a value a dollar value
00:36:06
on what the Legacy Media has done not
00:36:08
just in this election cycle but for the
00:36:10
last eight or nine years they have
00:36:13
basically call Donald Trump a Nazi a
00:36:16
fascist a traitor a did it work or did
00:36:19
it their to get to that blew up in their
00:36:23
faces they called him an agent of Putin
00:36:25
they called him an insurrectionist they
00:36:26
called him a convicted fellow they
00:36:27
called him a dictator they've been
00:36:29
yelling that at the top of their lungs
00:36:31
now for at least four years the country
00:36:34
didn't believe it I would just say that
00:36:36
the Legacy Media spell is broken their
00:36:38
credibility has been destroyed and I
00:36:41
think that the repudiation of the Legacy
00:36:44
Media is one of the most important
00:36:47
results of this election it just shows
00:36:49
that the Democrats had I don't know how
00:36:51
you valued a trillion dollar propaganda
00:36:53
machine on their side and Trump was
00:36:56
still able to win and you have to at the
00:36:58
end of the day say that that's a result
00:37:01
not just of alternative media gaining
00:37:03
Steam and free speech on X I think those
00:37:06
were absolutely necessary enablers it's
00:37:08
also the fact that Trump has a trillion
00:37:11
dollar personality and is a tremendously
00:37:13
gifted communicator and politician in
00:37:15
his own unique way but then but finally
00:37:17
you have to say that the issues are on
00:37:20
Trump's side Americans want the border
00:37:23
to be sealed they see that the spending
00:37:25
and the bureaucracy in Washington are
00:37:27
out of control they do not want woke
00:37:29
cancel culture anymore they see America
00:37:33
getting over involved in Foreign Wars
00:37:35
they want the spending to be brought
00:37:36
back home where it benefits them these
00:37:40
are the key points of the Trump agenda
00:37:42
and at the end of the day whatever you
00:37:44
want to say about Trump he ran a
00:37:47
campaign based on issues he talked about
00:37:50
issues what did comma Harris run her
00:37:52
campaign on Vibes celebrity endorsements
00:37:56
name time debunked hoaxes I just want to
00:38:00
go around the horn real quick and ask
00:38:02
each of you guys once again I'm going to
00:38:03
ask you one more question after this
00:38:05
What mattered most was it the policy
00:38:07
sacks as you're proclaiming is what a
00:38:08
lot of people voted on was it the issues
00:38:10
with the candidate the individual or was
00:38:12
it the media or the the campaign tactics
00:38:14
are those three what What mattered most
00:38:16
you think in terms of moving votes what
00:38:17
moved the most V list I don't think you
00:38:18
can separate the man from the message or
00:38:20
the messenger from the message okay
00:38:22
listen if you had a conventional
00:38:25
Republican out there don't think that
00:38:28
they could have overcome the trillion
00:38:30
dollar propaganda machine in Hand of the
00:38:33
Legacy Media that being said I think if
00:38:36
Donald Trump had been campaigning with
00:38:39
Mitt Romney's message or Mitch
00:38:41
McConnell's message I don't think he
00:38:43
would have gone anywhere I don't even
00:38:44
think he would have been the Republican
00:38:45
nominee you have to say that Trump since
00:38:49
2016 has tapped into something very deep
00:38:52
in the American electorate and you know
00:38:55
this is something we can get into but I
00:38:56
think that if you look back now over the
00:38:58
last 10 years is clear that he's the
00:39:00
transformational figure in American
00:39:02
politics it's not Barack Obama with all
00:39:04
due respect j k your turn the policies
00:39:08
yeah the individual or the campaign
00:39:10
tactics it's very clearly this had to do
00:39:13
you know primarily with kamla it is the
00:39:16
candidate and how she was selected yeah
00:39:19
I mean obviously if you had it's it's
00:39:22
interesting for you to say that as a Dem
00:39:23
right because I think that may have
00:39:24
chased a lot of people moderate I'm not
00:39:25
a
00:39:27
voted Republican one third of the time
00:39:29
maybe even a little bit more recently
00:39:31
but two two3 you voted them so you were
00:39:33
open to that and I'm leaning moderate I
00:39:35
mean I've been very clear about that my
00:39:37
record's been very clear about that it
00:39:38
is clear that it was her because I will
00:39:40
say if you had put up fredberg and I
00:39:43
think it's great that you're forcing us
00:39:44
to pick one of the
00:39:45
three and it's a hard thing to do but if
00:39:48
you had picked Dean Phillips and Shapiro
00:39:50
I think they would have beat Trump very
00:39:52
easily or because remember Trump was
00:39:54
phenomenally unpopular and I think the
00:39:56
big question that's to come out of this
00:39:58
is how did Elon do getting young men and
00:40:02
how did Joe Rogan and podcasts like ours
00:40:04
do at getting young men to come out and
00:40:06
vote that's something we haven't talked
00:40:07
about yet and I feel like that could be
00:40:09
the one thing that comes out of this
00:40:11
election over the coming years that we
00:40:14
look at that'll be the sustainable
00:40:16
change is that young men are now voting
00:40:20
and they want to vote for something very
00:40:22
different than white women or old people
00:40:25
and chamat what is your on What mattered
00:40:28
most do you have one of those three how
00:40:30
would you wait you to R I think the
00:40:33
policies of the democratic party are
00:40:36
fundamentally
00:40:37
broken they've become the exact opposite
00:40:40
of where they were even 20 years ago so
00:40:42
the Democrats used to be the protector
00:40:45
of free
00:40:46
speech now they are pro censorship the
00:40:50
Republicans are free speech the
00:40:52
Democrats used to be all about anti-war
00:40:55
now they are more like
00:40:58
to get mangled into all of these foreign
00:41:00
Misadventures in partnership with the
00:41:02
military industrial complex whereas the
00:41:04
Republicans have been a bull workk to
00:41:06
war and they embraced the chaines
00:41:08
ultimate proof of that oh my gosh I mean
00:41:10
that was the scariest and oddest turn of
00:41:12
events so I think that what happened is
00:41:15
the policies they just lost their way
00:41:17
now the question is was it purposeful or
00:41:20
was it by accident and I think that
00:41:24
belies the bigger question which is just
00:41:26
the people in charge of the democratic
00:41:28
party I think to Sak's
00:41:31
point do they even have a sense of that
00:41:33
they have to change or are they just so
00:41:35
now fundamentally out of touch and they
00:41:38
just believe what they believe so
00:41:39
ferociously they're going to have to go
00:41:41
through maybe three or four or five more
00:41:43
elections of just getting totally
00:41:45
trounced in order to learn the lesson
00:41:46
okay I'll I'll um I'll wear my mlin hat
00:41:49
and say chof right answer now my next my
00:41:53
next question back to you chath is
00:41:57
I've had a lot of conversations in the
00:41:58
last few days um with good friends with
00:42:02
people I'm close with with family and so
00:42:03
on hold on freeberg what do you think
00:42:05
before you ask the next question I think
00:42:07
policy matter but but here's the the the
00:42:09
stumbling block if you talk to anyone
00:42:12
that did not vote that that did not vote
00:42:14
for Trump and voted for kamla Harris
00:42:16
that is you know kind
00:42:18
of reasonable people or what you know I
00:42:21
I don't want to kind of classify people
00:42:24
but people that you would normally have
00:42:25
decent long form conversations with and
00:42:28
you start talking specific policy issues
00:42:30
with them the convers keeps coming back
00:42:33
to Trump the person in my experience
00:42:36
people can't see past a person who is a
00:42:38
quote convicted felon as they claim who
00:42:40
is taking away women's rights who is a
00:42:42
bully who is mean a lot of this is
00:42:44
influenced by his past behavior and
00:42:46
things he said and the way he's said
00:42:48
things and done things on Twitter we can
00:42:50
we can Proclaim that there was a lot of
00:42:51
misrepresentation about Trump in the in
00:42:53
the Legacy Media but there were a lot of
00:42:55
tweets that Trump put out that we
00:42:57
offputting to a lot of people so I want
00:42:59
you chamat to speak to the many
00:43:02
individuals out there who are good
00:43:04
people who feel disenfranchised who are
00:43:07
not like the the funny people you can
00:43:08
make fun of on Libs of Tik Tok or what
00:43:10
have you but just everyday normal people
00:43:12
that said I really don't trust the guy I
00:43:14
really don't believe that this is a good
00:43:16
person and I think that the policies
00:43:19
make more sense I agree with a lot of
00:43:21
the policy issues but frankly the guy
00:43:23
doesn't seem like the right guy for me
00:43:25
how do you kind of break through is that
00:43:26
possible and can you speak to that
00:43:28
person to help them kind of see past the
00:43:31
individual to the policies and have
00:43:33
trust and faith that this individual can
00:43:35
actually Shepherd this nation
00:43:37
forward there are so many very powerful
00:43:41
examples of how the
00:43:43
media
00:43:45
colluded with the Democratic
00:43:49
party to fundamentally lie about things
00:43:54
that actually happened when it relates
00:43:56
to Donald Trump
00:43:58
one of the most simple and
00:44:01
Powerful was the lie about
00:44:03
Charlottesville when I process
00:44:06
Charlottesville I'm probably one of
00:44:08
those people David that you talk about I
00:44:11
was just so scared and angry and I took
00:44:17
at face
00:44:18
value what the media said that Donald
00:44:21
Trump
00:44:22
said and then I was really angry at
00:44:26
Donald Trump until I saw the footage and
00:44:30
saw that it was just an complete
00:44:33
lie and that is just an incredible
00:44:36
shirking of responsibility that the
00:44:38
media has undertaken the
00:44:40
deviousness the
00:44:42
dishonesty it's really bad and that's
00:44:46
where I said I have to stop as a grownup
00:44:50
rational man as the head of my family I
00:44:54
need to reer where I'm coming from well
00:44:58
head of my family with Nat when she lets
00:44:59
me be but
00:45:02
anyway feel I can feel
00:45:08
her you listen to I can feel that one
00:45:13
back to H me keep that line in Nick I am
00:45:15
the head of my family okay anyways
00:45:18
guys let's get let's get back up go back
00:45:21
go back go back go
00:45:23
back but but the thing is like I started
00:45:26
to reenter it
00:45:27
and I do that every day in my day job
00:45:31
I'm running a company is 8090 going well
00:45:34
or not well it depends on the conditions
00:45:36
on the ground when things are going well
00:45:38
I need to do more of those things when
00:45:40
things are not going well I need to re
00:45:41
underwrite is it something that I'm in
00:45:44
control of is it something that I've
00:45:45
missed how do I change it how do I get
00:45:47
my team to be better I live it every day
00:45:50
in investing it's the same thing you
00:45:52
know there was periods where I was on
00:45:54
top of the world and everything was
00:45:55
working then there were waves where
00:45:58
things were not working but I still had
00:46:00
to show up and do my job well as it's
00:46:02
turning out in those Darkest Hours was
00:46:05
when I probably have made some of my
00:46:07
absolute best new Investments that would
00:46:10
not have happened if I did not keep my
00:46:12
feet on the ground and constantly re
00:46:15
underwrite and try to challenge my
00:46:17
biases there are so many examples that
00:46:20
have happened to Trump that when you
00:46:21
actually unpack them there was a
00:46:23
concerted effort to lie and that is why
00:46:27
it's important for folks
00:46:29
to be able to suspend that judgment the
00:46:33
second thing I would say is then you saw
00:46:36
four years of the man in office and if
00:46:39
you actually
00:46:41
separate the interpretation by the media
00:46:45
who frankly just hate him with what he
00:46:48
actually did you take a step back and
00:46:51
you're like man these accomplishments
00:46:52
were incredible for example let's look
00:46:55
at what happened with the Abra hemicords
00:46:57
we have never been closer to substantial
00:47:01
and sustained peace in the Middle East
00:47:04
in any era of government under any
00:47:06
president than we were when Jared
00:47:09
Kushner on behalf of Donald Trump
00:47:11
negotiated those agreements and look how
00:47:14
far we have slipped since
00:47:16
then and all of that happened as a
00:47:19
result
00:47:21
of the incoming government wanting to
00:47:24
undo what was so logically right in in
00:47:27
the first
00:47:27
place and part of that was to feed a
00:47:30
media cycle so again I just go back to
00:47:32
David all of these normal people and I
00:47:34
know a lot of them as well speak to them
00:47:36
yeah like I mean yeah you guys need to
00:47:39
just take a step back and take a beat
00:47:42
and just think about something for a
00:47:43
second how do so many normal high
00:47:47
functioning well-intended people switch
00:47:50
sides how did that happen now jcal let
00:47:52
me ask you the flip side of the coin you
00:47:55
have expressed publicly recently even on
00:47:59
a podcast yesterday with Sachs in
00:48:02
vigorous debate on the show many times
00:48:04
reservations about Trump and the
00:48:06
character of trump yeah how do you feel
00:48:10
you obviously align with the policies
00:48:12
that he's highlighted and indicated you
00:48:14
you've said so absolutely yeah do you
00:48:16
see past the person or do you still have
00:48:17
a a strong degree of reservation about
00:48:20
the individual and do you see that
00:48:21
playing out in your cohort friends
00:48:23
family what have you that there's strong
00:48:25
reservation because of the character
00:48:27
yeah it's a great question you know I
00:48:30
think the thing we have to do now is
00:48:31
come together as a country he's the
00:48:33
president it's great that it was not a
00:48:36
debatable election and we're not going
00:48:38
to have riots at the capital and people
00:48:40
beating up police officers and now it's
00:48:43
time to actually look at what Trump said
00:48:46
and then we will grade him on what he
00:48:48
actually gets done and and you know if
00:48:50
he is able to hang out with the cohort
00:48:55
of Elon and chamath and Sachs and JD
00:48:59
Vance I feel a lot better about it now
00:49:01
there's a lot of people speculating he
00:49:03
will turn on shth he will turn on Sachs
00:49:06
he will turn on Elon and that
00:49:08
relationship will end in the next year
00:49:09
or two that's what I'm looking at Will
00:49:11
trump actually do the things he says
00:49:14
he's going to do and what did he say he
00:49:16
was going to do well he's not going to
00:49:18
have a National Abortion man he's not
00:49:20
going to have kick people out who get
00:49:23
college degrees here remember he said on
00:49:24
the show he's going to staple the green
00:49:25
guard to it and but then there's other
00:49:28
and he said he's going to end the
00:49:29
Ukraine the war in Ukraine on day one so
00:49:33
let's make a list of all the things he
00:49:34
promised and like anybody else let's
00:49:37
judge him based on what he gets done now
00:49:40
some of the things he promised like the
00:49:42
mass deportation of 15 million people I
00:49:44
think a lot of people even on this
00:49:46
podcast probably don't agree with I
00:49:48
don't think anybody here wants to see 15
00:49:50
million people who came here to have a
00:49:53
better life and who are working hard and
00:49:55
who are productive m MERS of our society
00:49:58
literally get dragged out of here the
00:50:00
the 500,000 that are criminals or a
00:50:02
million sure nobody wants to see them uh
00:50:05
get a free pass here but you know
00:50:07
there's going to be some of the items on
00:50:09
his agenda that are going to be very
00:50:11
uncomfortable to see executed and some
00:50:13
of them would be amazing and miracles if
00:50:15
he comes in and all of a sudden Ukraine
00:50:18
war is settled fantastic if he starts
00:50:20
dragging a million people
00:50:23
every you know two or three months out
00:50:26
of the country
00:50:27
that could be absolutely
00:50:29
disastrous and incredibly hard to watch
00:50:32
happen in America so we got a judgment
00:50:34
based on his actions that's great let's
00:50:36
give him the support he needs and I
00:50:38
really hope you know the thing that
00:50:39
gives me hope is the fact that saak
00:50:41
chamath Elon and JD Vance are by his
00:50:44
side so I'm goingon to move on to the
00:50:46
rest of the election the other races so
00:50:48
so the presidency we've talked about
00:50:51
let's talk about the house and the
00:50:52
Senate sacks in the house there's 37
00:50:55
races that have yet to be called but it
00:50:58
looks like the Republicans need about 12
00:51:01
more to be called to have a majority it
00:51:04
seems very likely I mean ACC according
00:51:05
to poly Market it's 99% that the
00:51:08
Republicans will have the majority in
00:51:09
the house the Republicans have control
00:51:11
of the Senate and Trump is in the White
00:51:14
House what are the top policy items that
00:51:18
the Republicans will pursue with this
00:51:21
degree of legislative and executive
00:51:24
control what's number 1 two3 on the list
00:51:27
what's top priority and how are they
00:51:28
kind of getting together to figure out
00:51:31
what and how to
00:51:32
execute those items in the in the weeks
00:51:35
and months after January
00:51:37
20th well so first of all I think the
00:51:39
Senate majority matters a lot in terms
00:51:41
of trump getting the appointments that
00:51:42
he wants because if he was just at 51
00:51:46
let's call it it would be quite hard
00:51:49
Susan Collins and Lisa marowski tend to
00:51:53
be very very moderate uh Republicans and
00:51:57
would oppose I think a lot of
00:51:58
conservative appointments Trump's
00:52:00
already at 53 senators and there's two
00:52:03
more that are still up for grabs and
00:52:05
waiting to be counted so he might get to
00:52:07
54 in the next week or so it just means
00:52:09
he's going to have a Freer range on
00:52:11
appointments I think that'd be really
00:52:12
good for for uh Bobby Kennedy I think it
00:52:15
might be harder to get Bobby Kennedy
00:52:17
confirmed for a major cabinet post with
00:52:20
51 with 53 54 I think we get there I
00:52:23
think that's a really great thing for
00:52:24
the country there's other appointment
00:52:26
appointments in a similar vein that I
00:52:27
think it be easier for for Trump to get
00:52:30
through in terms of the rest of the
00:52:32
agenda I mean Trump clearly does want to
00:52:34
end the war in Ukraine is he going to be
00:52:36
able to do it on day one no I mean I
00:52:38
don't think that's realistic because
00:52:40
frankly the ukrainians are not willing
00:52:43
to make the concessions yet they're not
00:52:45
in a place where they're willing to make
00:52:46
a deal I still think that what Trump was
00:52:49
saying during the campaign if you look
00:52:51
at it as expression of his motivations
00:52:53
and where his sentiments are coming from
00:52:55
they were good sentiment but if he can't
00:52:57
solve it on day one because the
00:52:58
ukrainians don't want to make a deal I
00:53:00
can't really fault him for that but I
00:53:01
think he'll try I think that on Doge
00:53:05
there's clearly a strong desire of many
00:53:08
in the Republican party and Elon and the
00:53:11
people that Elon brought with him for
00:53:13
major government reform much more
00:53:15
efficiency much less spending I think
00:53:18
that we have to get as much of that past
00:53:20
as possible in the first certainly the
00:53:22
first year there's a necessity for
00:53:24
legislative action to get all the cuts
00:53:27
in federal spending that they're looking
00:53:28
to cut is that right Sach so if if
00:53:31
elon's objective is cut trilon there
00:53:33
might be some things you can just do
00:53:34
through executive orders and they should
00:53:36
do as much as they can but I think you
00:53:38
do need some congressional action as
00:53:39
well this is an area where it's just
00:53:41
going to be really hard because spending
00:53:44
is a bipar and problem and it's going to
00:53:46
be really hard to jam through the type
00:53:50
of deep reform that we really should
00:53:53
have at the federal level but I think
00:53:55
that now there's a shock because Trump
00:53:57
does have majorities in the House and
00:53:59
Senate that he can at least get
00:54:01
something through so at least we have a
00:54:02
shot of getting something done there are
00:54:04
we going to get two trillion in Cuts
00:54:06
Like Elon wants I would love that I
00:54:09
doubt you're going to be able to pass
00:54:10
that through Congress but do you start
00:54:12
with that number and then work your way
00:54:13
down to a number that you can get both
00:54:16
parties to support maybe that's possible
00:54:18
hopefully I would have started I would
00:54:19
have started with three
00:54:21
then but I mean that's just my that's
00:54:23
just my tactic but whatever but I think
00:54:25
reforming the bureau is just such a huge
00:54:28
theme coming out of this election and we
00:54:31
just have to figure out how to get that
00:54:32
done got the Mandate we have the Mandate
00:54:35
that's Trump's mandate and the the
00:54:37
federal government is such a large
00:54:39
sprawling it is the largest organization
00:54:41
on earth except for maybe the CCP and in
00:54:44
that sense you really have to have
00:54:47
leverage in leadership to be able to
00:54:49
realize that degree of action at that
00:54:51
scale so the cabinet positions matter a
00:54:54
lot to realize that agenda is that is
00:54:56
that fair to say chth and you know maybe
00:54:58
we can talk a little bit about who are
00:55:01
the the folks in the orbit of Donald
00:55:03
Trump and the transition team that are
00:55:06
being considered for different cabinet
00:55:08
posts and you know as an adviser or as a
00:55:11
let's call you a theoretical adviser uh
00:55:13
to the transition
00:55:14
team what are the kind of key posts that
00:55:17
matter to you how would you kind of
00:55:18
advise them who to look for that could
00:55:20
really realize the outcome that the
00:55:22
Mandate is dictating well I I have no
00:55:26
influence on this process so I'm just
00:55:28
totally spitballing but right people who
00:55:30
I think
00:55:32
are who I think are excellent I'm going
00:55:35
to put Bobby Kennedy right at the top of
00:55:36
the
00:55:37
list I think that Bobby has an
00:55:39
opportunity to allow the transparency of
00:55:43
information that will allow folks to
00:55:47
keep doing what we've done or to change
00:55:50
course in a way that right now I think
00:55:53
is a little bit more difficult than it
00:55:55
needs to be
00:55:56
I think Vive
00:55:58
ramaswami is indefatigable I think he's
00:56:03
a you know if you remember back to the
00:56:05
Republican primaries there was only one
00:56:07
person that did not attack Donald Trump
00:56:09
and it was viic I think he um believed
00:56:12
in what Donald Trump was doing and was
00:56:15
willing to sort of embrace and extend
00:56:16
this idea so I think he'd be a really
00:56:18
good proxy I don't know what role that
00:56:20
looks like but I just think that he
00:56:21
would be exing there's some rumors that
00:56:25
he's going to run for governor Ohio but
00:56:26
he'd be amazing in the federal
00:56:27
government tulsy gabard we got to get
00:56:30
there yeah yeah I just just to go
00:56:32
through the list I think tulsy gabard is
00:56:34
so awesome for what role what would you
00:56:37
put her in you know the rumor is is
00:56:40
Veteran Affairs yeah Veteran Affairs but
00:56:42
you know hopefully it's at least that
00:56:45
yeah that's a cabinet position right
00:56:47
just for those who you know there's
00:56:48
another race that's going on that's
00:56:49
really below the surface but is
00:56:51
extremely important and that is the new
00:56:53
Senate Majority Leader MIT Mitch
00:56:55
McConnell says he stepping aside there's
00:56:57
two major C th versus Mike Lee yeah well
00:57:00
it's it's John th versus Corin from
00:57:02
Texas and Mike Lee has been sort of
00:57:05
agitating it's not clear that Mike Lee
00:57:07
will throw his hat in the ring if he did
00:57:09
I would be all in favor of it if Mike
00:57:12
Lee who is from Utah doesn't we should
00:57:14
really go with whoever he recommends I
00:57:16
really trust that Mike Lee will
00:57:18
represent the Maga agenda whereas quite
00:57:21
frankly the other candidates will be a
00:57:23
continuation of Mitch and this Trump's
00:57:26
moment to weigh in on that he's basking
00:57:29
in the glow right now he is in the
00:57:32
winter Circle he can get anything
00:57:35
through the Republican caucus and I
00:57:38
think that he could weigh in right now
00:57:39
in the Senate majority race and make
00:57:41
sure the right person gets it if you get
00:57:44
a continuation of Mitch McConnell you
00:57:46
will not get real reform through the
00:57:47
Senate look at what happened during
00:57:49
Trump one Mitch McConnell was one of
00:57:51
Trump's biggest opponents so there would
00:57:54
be Alternatives but I think Trump would
00:57:56
have to step in and act there's some
00:57:58
talk about Rick Scot from Florida being
00:57:59
a candidate I think he'd be very good if
00:58:01
he's still in the race or just go right
00:58:04
over the top and go with a Mike Lee this
00:58:06
is your moment to basically put in a
00:58:09
loyalist and then the big cabinet
00:58:11
positions that are left I think defense
00:58:13
probably somebody like Rick grenell
00:58:15
who's already worked for Trump and was
00:58:18
the dni right at the end I
00:58:20
think and then in treasury it's you know
00:58:23
I think people say it's between scottt
00:58:25
bessent and
00:58:28
John
00:58:29
Paulson I'm not so sure I don't know fed
00:58:31
Governor I think it's like probably
00:58:33
hasal but then you know I saw like you
00:58:35
saw Jerome pal Jerome pal this morning
00:58:37
said he would not step aside if asked to
00:58:39
resign by Donald Trump no he's got two
00:58:41
more years so he's got until 26 he's got
00:58:43
until mid 26 so you know I mean the
00:58:45
rumor I don't want to say too much but I
00:58:47
think this is pretty much out there I
00:58:48
think reyell wants State not defense I
00:58:50
think that it's not to say he's going to
00:58:52
get it I don't know but that's been out
00:58:54
there for a long time I I think that
00:58:56
what a lot of people in let's call it
00:58:59
the Maga movement the America first
00:59:00
movement are going to be looking at very
00:59:02
closely is do neocons worm their way
00:59:07
into this Administration look at what
00:59:09
happened during Trump one he ran in
00:59:11
opposition to Forever Wars I think was a
00:59:13
major part of his appeal it's what
00:59:15
allowed him to shatter the bush Dynasty
00:59:17
it's what I think really hurt kamla in
00:59:19
terms of having the Chinese Embrace her
00:59:22
so it's a major part of his I'd say not
00:59:25
just appeal but also his legacy that he
00:59:28
will not continue forever Wars but the
00:59:29
problem is that the blob keeps
00:59:33
infiltrating the Trump Administration or
00:59:35
they did they infiltrated Trump one by
00:59:37
putting in John Bolton and esper and all
00:59:39
these guys who frankly betrayed Trump
00:59:42
totally so I think a lot of people are
00:59:43
looking closely at will neocons be able
00:59:45
to worm their way into this
00:59:47
Administration and if they do it's a
00:59:49
very it would be very very sad I think
00:59:51
the difference this time around which is
00:59:53
so incredible is that you're now seeing
00:59:56
on
00:59:57
X people asking all the neocons to be
01:00:00
named and shamed and they're creating
01:00:02
these lists so that they can't worm
01:00:03
their way in it's the most incredible
01:00:05
thing I've ever seen where have you
01:00:08
espoused those views in the past if so
01:00:10
the likelihood that somebody will raise
01:00:14
an alarm Bell now on the so that you
01:00:16
can't get near this
01:00:18
Administration I've never seen anything
01:00:20
like that before actually yeah and you
01:00:21
know what here's the great danger is you
01:00:23
look at the last few months okay who was
01:00:26
there for trump it was people like Elon
01:00:28
it was basically you know all of us who
01:00:30
worked and look I'm a very minor minor
01:00:33
figure but I did my little part and
01:00:35
there were a lot of other people on the
01:00:37
ground doing their thing but where is
01:00:38
Elon today Elon had to fly home for a
01:00:41
Tesla board meeting he's got real
01:00:42
companies to run and who all of a sudden
01:00:44
shows up in maral Lago the swamp
01:00:46
creatures they were nowhere to be found
01:00:48
for the last three months now the swamp
01:00:50
creatures come crawling out and they're
01:00:52
going to be swarming Mara Lago and
01:00:53
trying to worm their way into the
01:00:54
administration and that's that's the the
01:00:57
issue is we got to keep you know this is
01:00:59
where I I hope that all the the Maga
01:01:02
influencers Stay Frosty and stay
01:01:05
involved we have to consolidate this
01:01:07
Victory and get reform type people in
01:01:10
the administration not just the usual
01:01:13
type people from Washington would you
01:01:15
serve if asked no I mean look I I've
01:01:18
already said before I'm the key manic
01:01:19
craft I can't do that but you know look
01:01:21
I would do something part-time meaning
01:01:23
if it wasn't a full-time job if I didn't
01:01:25
have to leave my current job if it was
01:01:26
just serving on some advisory committee
01:01:29
or something that that was compatible
01:01:31
with my current job I would do that
01:01:33
that's a no-brainer I would love
01:01:35
absolutely if not full-time because I'm
01:01:37
running a company but yeah if there was
01:01:39
the opportunity to help basically just
01:01:41
put me on the Doge committee sacks if
01:01:43
you wouldn't mind I just want to go like
01:01:45
line item by line item in one afternoon
01:01:47
and I'm out of there like I'm just gonna
01:01:48
go did say this today but he said The A
01:01:51
Team are running companies we're all
01:01:53
we're all running companies but if asked
01:01:56
to serve especially in a part-time
01:01:59
capacity where you don't have to divest
01:02:01
everything you own and you can actually
01:02:02
just go and call and actually
01:02:04
just make sure good decisions get made
01:02:06
it would be an honor to serve in that
01:02:08
capacity yeah I think everybody should
01:02:10
have given a chance I want to say one
01:02:12
thing just to build on yeah and then I
01:02:13
want to ask you one more question sham
01:02:15
go ahead I do want
01:02:16
to give a shout out to Elon and in one
01:02:19
very specific way you know you've heard
01:02:22
all these stories where he gets obsessed
01:02:25
about something
01:02:26
and then he focuses on it at the sake of
01:02:30
everything else and strips it down and
01:02:33
gets to First principles rebuilds it
01:02:36
back up and it
01:02:37
works and as far as I can tell basically
01:02:40
when he decided that this election was
01:02:42
going to come down to
01:02:46
Pennsylvania on one hand and young men
01:02:51
on the
01:02:52
other he just kept doing that one thing
01:02:57
over and over and over again every time
01:03:01
you turned on X he was doing a rally
01:03:04
crazy he was speaking to the residents
01:03:07
of Pennsylvania and spent like two weeks
01:03:09
there young disaffected voters and
01:03:12
getting them out and then his pack built
01:03:16
an
01:03:17
infrastructure that rivaled the
01:03:19
Democratic infrastructure in terms of
01:03:21
get out the vote and
01:03:22
transation with a lot less money and
01:03:25
only a month or two is is incredible
01:03:29
well and then the sweet Stakes was also
01:03:32
inred it's really really incred there
01:03:34
was a lot of controversy around the
01:03:35
sweepstakes idea I don't know why that
01:03:37
was so controversial because if you
01:03:39
think about that was the media trying to
01:03:41
make an issue that was a nothing Burger
01:03:43
a burger yeah and so they you know I
01:03:45
think this is where it was dismissed on
01:03:47
its face because if any person spent
01:03:49
eight seconds understanding the law the
01:03:52
the the judge dismissed it within an
01:03:53
hour so you know if we look at that
01:03:55
million
01:03:56
sweep Stakes to sign up for his pack if
01:03:58
you think about how people normally uh
01:04:01
get people to sign up they're paying a
01:04:03
dollar a click probably $50 a click
01:04:05
whatever it is using giving money to ABC
01:04:08
or giving money to Facebook and he just
01:04:10
said hey I'll just do a sweep stake sign
01:04:11
up for this and then I have you in the
01:04:13
database and then I can Market it to you
01:04:16
there's no difference between giving
01:04:17
away a million dollar sweep Stakes or
01:04:19
buying a bunch of ads and paying by
01:04:20
click and for everybody to frame that as
01:04:23
he's buying votes when it was so clear
01:04:25
he wasn't
01:04:26
I think that's the kind of media
01:04:28
manipulation people are getting Savvy to
01:04:29
and does not work anymore it was very
01:04:32
clear it was just a sweep Stakes to sign
01:04:33
up for his pack no different than paying
01:04:36
$10 a click to Facebook when the legal
01:04:39
infrastructure of America dismisses a
01:04:40
case on its face within 60 Minutes of it
01:04:43
being heard it means it is a farce yeah
01:04:46
I mean look I think what Elon showed is
01:04:49
that a smart person can come in who who
01:04:52
basically like you said can go into
01:04:54
demon mode with how a startup or
01:04:56
innovation mentality is willing to spend
01:04:58
money but wants to do it smartly but is
01:05:00
really hardcore can come in and beat the
01:05:03
supposed professionals their own game I
01:05:05
think one of the big stories that's
01:05:08
going to come out there's already some
01:05:09
tea being spilt within Democratic
01:05:11
circles about Jen Ali Dylan who was the
01:05:14
campaign manager that kamla Harris
01:05:17
inherited from Biden she had a billion
01:05:19
dollars to spend billion doll the
01:05:21
campaign still ended $20 million in debt
01:05:24
in debt and this at least has been
01:05:26
reported Mone go so well I'll tell you
01:05:28
the money went to expensive Consultants
01:05:31
they did overly elaborate staged events
01:05:33
they did these like fake concerts
01:05:35
celebrity cameos supposedly they paid
01:05:37
Beyonce $10 million and they didn't even
01:05:39
get a song out of it and that ended up
01:05:41
you know pissing off she got paid they
01:05:42
were paying I don't know if that's true
01:05:44
I just read it in a tweet so I I can't
01:05:46
say for sure but that's what I read yeah
01:05:49
who knows it sounds it sounds suspect
01:05:50
but the point is they spent a lot of
01:05:53
money on the consultants and you know
01:05:57
the events and Elon went after the Amish
01:05:59
you know that's like a lot smarter the
01:06:02
person on the Democratic side where I
01:06:04
feel the most disappointment after all
01:06:06
of this is Barack
01:06:09
Obama I think he in the period when he
01:06:13
was elected to me was just
01:06:16
Transcendent and I thought that this is
01:06:19
a person that
01:06:21
really was immune to getting assimilated
01:06:25
into the B and I don't know why I
01:06:27
thought that but I did think that and I
01:06:31
was just so saddened to see the tone and
01:06:35
the rhetoric from Barack Obama during
01:06:37
this last home stretch it I think was
01:06:41
reputationally very damaging to him what
01:06:43
did you say that offended you it was
01:06:45
less about it didn't offend me it was
01:06:47
just observing or disappointed you the
01:06:50
when the rhetoric was you know trying to
01:06:52
propagate these lies the very fine
01:06:54
people hoax all these things I just
01:06:56
thought he's so much smarter than the
01:06:58
abortion ban the abortion ban he knows
01:07:00
that these things are not true why is he
01:07:03
saying objective lies I don't really
01:07:06
judge politicians for doing it in
01:07:09
general but I never considered him a
01:07:11
politician I sort of considered him here
01:07:12
just like this Echelon
01:07:14
above and I and I was I was really
01:07:17
disappointed that he chose to go down
01:07:19
that path yeah well I I I could
01:07:21
definitely add to that I mean look I
01:07:22
think o Obama's whole Mystique was that
01:07:24
he transcended into politics and he
01:07:27
tried to maintain that position of being
01:07:29
above the fry and Let The Grubby
01:07:31
business of politics be beneath him and
01:07:34
even during the whole coup against Biden
01:07:36
I mean they say that Obama signed off he
01:07:38
was basically in favor of the the
01:07:40
switcheroo to Harris but he was the last
01:07:43
person to endorse it right he did not
01:07:44
want to be seen as doing the dirty work
01:07:46
that was left to Nancy Pelosi but
01:07:48
there's no question that the switcheroo
01:07:50
I think was was backed by Obama and then
01:07:54
he did everything he could to prop of
01:07:56
Harris including using the very fine
01:07:57
people hoax telling these lies and I I
01:08:00
agree chamath I think that he has
01:08:02
diminished himself he's brought himself
01:08:04
now down to the level of politics down
01:08:06
to the level of a average politician
01:08:08
right I think probably you're
01:08:10
disappointed because you had such a high
01:08:11
Benchmark for him but we were just
01:08:13
talking about Trump saying he would end
01:08:15
the war on day one he said that he's
01:08:18
going to deport 15 million people and
01:08:21
you know all these politicians lie so I
01:08:23
think my closing statement on all of
01:08:26
this is y'all were a key part in putting
01:08:29
Trump in obviously and if he starts
01:08:34
behaving in the way he behaved during
01:08:35
his first term the darker things he did
01:08:38
I hope that y'all will call him on it
01:08:40
and publicly call him on it and that he
01:08:42
will steer towards you know his better
01:08:44
angels and that's my hope for America
01:08:46
and my hope for all of you who helped
01:08:48
put him in office and played a very
01:08:50
significant role in getting him here
01:08:51
when he does something crazy if he does
01:08:54
try to drag 15 million people out the
01:08:55
the country is that okay with you sex
01:08:58
well you said that he would start with a
01:08:59
million of people 500,000 to a million
01:09:01
who are clear criminals he should do
01:09:03
that what JD said and we all agree yeah
01:09:05
JD said that the way you about the other
01:09:07
14 he said that the way that you do
01:09:09
deportations is the same way you eat an
01:09:11
elephant you do it one bite at a time
01:09:13
eat a sandwich so the way you eat an
01:09:15
elephant is you do one bite at a time
01:09:17
let's start with the biggest criminals
01:09:19
the biggest people who shouldn't be here
01:09:20
and then let's see what happens after
01:09:21
that and look if he went 14 million what
01:09:24
would you you be in support of that I we
01:09:27
haven't gotten there yet the point is
01:09:28
you take the first bite of the sandwich
01:09:29
then you talk about the second bite but
01:09:31
there was a line from the 2016 election
01:09:33
about Trump that I think was attributed
01:09:34
to Peter teal which is very important
01:09:36
which is that Trump should be taken
01:09:38
seriously but not
01:09:40
literally sometimes when he expresses a
01:09:42
policy or a point of view he sells it so
01:09:45
when he says I'm going to end the
01:09:46
Ukraine war on day one does that mean
01:09:49
he's literally going to do it on day one
01:09:50
no what it means is he's going to try
01:09:52
really hard to end the Ukraine war if he
01:09:54
does it on day 365 of his presidency
01:09:57
instead of day one I'm not going to come
01:09:59
out and say he lied he didn't do what he
01:10:01
said no I'm going to say he got the job
01:10:02
done he did what he said he was going to
01:10:04
do so I think it's very important to
01:10:06
judge him in that way when he says I'm
01:10:08
going to deport 15 million people do I
01:10:10
expect him to do all 15 million not
01:10:12
necessarily but if he closes the Border
01:10:15
builds the wall seals it so it's no
01:10:17
longer a problem and deports 500,000 to
01:10:19
a million hardcore criminals out of this
01:10:21
country I'm going to say that was a
01:10:23
massive success and you know what's
01:10:24
going to happen Legacy me is going say
01:10:26
well he lied because he didn't Deport
01:10:27
the other 14.2 million come on let
01:10:31
understand let's understand the
01:10:32
difference between camping and governing
01:10:35
I agree with all that and I do think if
01:10:38
he does try to do the 14 million that's
01:10:39
the thing I have concerns about got it
01:10:41
okay freeberg over to you so let's talk
01:10:43
about the cabinet positions chamath a
01:10:45
guy like RFK Jr has never held an
01:10:47
executive position before you and others
01:10:50
on this panel saaks J myself we''ve all
01:10:54
kind of managed large groups of people
01:10:55
we've all been in positions of being a
01:10:57
CEO of a business you talk a lot about
01:11:00
bringing in The Outsiders and the Trump
01:11:01
campaign talks a lot about bringing
01:11:02
these Outsiders sexs begrudgingly
01:11:05
highlights the swamp creatures emerging
01:11:07
to ask for those slots and those
01:11:08
positions because they are lifelong
01:11:11
politicians and bureaucrats how do we
01:11:13
have trust and faith or do you think
01:11:15
that that's the whole point is that you
01:11:17
have folks that don't have the
01:11:18
experience to run these organizations
01:11:20
that don't have the insights on who
01:11:21
actually works there on how they operate
01:11:23
and them coming in is going to provide
01:11:25
enough of a fresh perspective and things
01:11:27
up enough that that's exactly the point
01:11:30
and like talk a little bit about
01:11:31
bringing in Outsiders but Outsiders that
01:11:33
can be effective in transforming these
01:11:35
government agencies not just blowing
01:11:37
them up or is the goal to blow them
01:11:39
up no again I would I would just temper
01:11:43
and tone down that rhetoric there's not
01:11:45
nobody's blowing up anything but I think
01:11:47
step one is going to be a level of
01:11:50
transparency so that doing the obvious
01:11:53
becomes obvious and I think that if you
01:11:55
look back over 40 or 50 years what has
01:11:58
happened is that secretaries and
01:12:00
political appointments have gone from
01:12:03
get the best person in the job because
01:12:04
they know it to here's political Peola
01:12:07
if you will and I think the pendulum has
01:12:10
swung to two far of an extreme that's
01:12:12
why the Swamp People are able to
01:12:14
maintain control because the person
01:12:17
above them who's appointed doesn't
01:12:18
fundamentally know the inner workings of
01:12:20
the
01:12:20
organization I suspect what you're going
01:12:23
to see is a radical push to
01:12:25
transparency and I think that when you
01:12:27
combine transparency and SX called for
01:12:29
this a version of the Twitter files for
01:12:31
the government I do think you're going
01:12:33
to see that but if you combine that push
01:12:36
to transparency with a handful of topics
01:12:39
you know by the way we introduced a long
01:12:41
time ago this idea of zerob based
01:12:43
budgeting into the Lexicon and language
01:12:45
of these political candidates that they
01:12:46
used all the way through to the Finish
01:12:48
Line I do believe the Republicans
01:12:51
earnestly mean it and so I think when
01:12:53
you put these two things together
01:12:55
freeberg I think what you will have is
01:12:58
all of this laid be and then I think
01:13:01
it'll start a debate on what to do and I
01:13:02
think the the decisions about what to do
01:13:06
will be so blindingly obvious the lwh
01:13:08
hanging fruit will save this country
01:13:11
once we pluck it can can I say a word
01:13:14
about I I think it's so important for
01:13:17
Bobby Kennedy to be confirmed in
01:13:18
whatever c a position that he's going to
01:13:20
get number one you know we look back the
01:13:23
campaign now and it seems obvious that
01:13:25
Trump was going to win it but at the
01:13:26
time that Bobby Kennedy came on board
01:13:28
that was a major factor in shifting
01:13:31
momentum towards Trump so that's number
01:13:34
one number two we need to keep Bobby
01:13:36
Kennedy's Coalition as part of our
01:13:39
movement it's not just about what he did
01:13:41
in this last election it's keeping all
01:13:43
of those people those young people and
01:13:45
those former Democrats on side and part
01:13:48
of the Republican Party in the Maga
01:13:49
movement and number three he's genuinely
01:13:52
going to reform that huge part of the
01:13:54
bureaucracy
01:13:55
and that's extremely important we need
01:13:57
Outsiders to come in and shake things up
01:13:59
he's right about the regulatory capture
01:14:01
he's right about the marriage of state
01:14:03
power and corporate greed let's have
01:14:06
someone go in there who's got fresh eyes
01:14:08
but also understands how the bureaucracy
01:14:10
works because he's litigated and shake
01:14:12
things up if you look at what Bobby
01:14:14
posted to Instagram Nick I don't know if
01:14:16
you can find it but it was pretty
01:14:18
telling on this dimension
01:14:21
of the first inning is going to be about
01:14:24
absolute radical transparency and
01:14:26
sharing with the American people
01:14:28
everything that's been that's been under
01:14:29
the covers by the way it's not just on
01:14:32
that Dimension right we're going to see
01:14:34
the Epstein files we're going to see the
01:14:36
Diddy lists we're going to see the JFK
01:14:39
file I know that these things are sort
01:14:40
of Fringe conspiracy theory type things
01:14:42
for some people but the point is from
01:14:45
Pillar To Post that first phase of this
01:14:48
radical truth seeking
01:14:50
transparency is an incredible
01:14:52
disinfectant that you can build from and
01:14:54
he told the FDA I think something to the
01:14:56
effect of pack your bags and keep your
01:14:58
records now let's let's take the
01:15:00
hyperbolic part of it out but it's the
01:15:03
keep your records part that should be
01:15:04
valuable because we deserve to have
01:15:07
answers now when you think at the same
01:15:10
time that you have inventions like AI
01:15:12
that can crunch every single piece of
01:15:15
data Under the Sun and tell you the
01:15:16
absolute truth imagine when you put
01:15:19
transparency and the government sharing
01:15:21
incredible amounts of information with
01:15:24
the compute power that the Googles and
01:15:25
the Facebooks and the and the open a
01:15:27
eyes of the world are creating you'll
01:15:30
know these answers to all of these
01:15:32
questions vaccines are they good or bad
01:15:34
when how fluoride is it good or bad when
01:15:37
how all of these drugs that have been
01:15:39
approved why all of these drugs that
01:15:41
have not been approved why you're going
01:15:43
to start to see some really interesting
01:15:45
things has there been research on the
01:15:47
impacts of food on physiology were they
01:15:49
suppressed were they not suppressed so I
01:15:51
think phase one is get it all out into
01:15:55
the open totally and and what I what I
01:15:58
said just what what shth referred to is
01:16:00
yeah I said we should do Twitter files
01:16:02
for the whole federal government just
01:16:04
what I meant by that is remember before
01:16:06
Elon bought Twitter they told us for
01:16:09
years that the idea that Twitter was
01:16:12
shadowbanning conservatives and engaging
01:16:14
in censorship was a conspiracy theory
01:16:17
then Elon opened up the Twitter files
01:16:18
and we saw that it was all true and
01:16:21
moreover that the government was engaged
01:16:23
in censorship they been working hand in
01:16:26
glove with the trust and safety
01:16:27
department the FBI had logins they could
01:16:29
just go in themselves I me crazy the FBI
01:16:31
had their own tool called teleport which
01:16:33
would allow them to transmit secret
01:16:35
instructions to the trust and safety
01:16:37
team at Twitter and they were censoring
01:16:38
based on those instructions that's
01:16:40
completely unacceptable Twitter
01:16:42
management lied about it the government
01:16:43
lied about it we only found out through
01:16:45
the Twitter files let's do a Twitter
01:16:47
files for the federal government what do
01:16:49
you think we're going to find out what
01:16:50
do you think we' find out about covid
01:16:53
what do you think really happened there
01:16:54
if Bobby Kennedy can do that the lies
01:16:57
they told us incompleteness of the
01:16:59
actual clinical validation studies the
01:17:02
authorizations and the waivers that were
01:17:05
secured how good or how brittle or how
01:17:07
fragile was that data by the way I think
01:17:10
what we what it'll also do freeberg is
01:17:12
if if it looks like this data is
01:17:14
actually of extreme high quality you
01:17:16
know what that does it reestablishes
01:17:18
trust in that institution which is also
01:17:20
a win so this whole thing is a
01:17:23
win-win well and well let's not forget
01:17:27
the foil leader they were literally
01:17:29
being taught how to route around fou
01:17:32
Team how to route around subpoenas and
01:17:35
people looking for information I mean
01:17:37
there's a lot to uncover here I'm 100%
01:17:40
here for it yeah so just to be clear
01:17:42
there there's a there's a there's a law
01:17:43
in the United States called the Freedom
01:17:44
of Information Act the Foya uh is kind
01:17:47
of a common term and it gives the power
01:17:50
and authority to individual citizens and
01:17:52
and third party agencies to have a check
01:17:55
and balance on the federal government
01:17:56
that they can go in they can request
01:17:58
actual data actual files and it is all
01:18:01
necessarily available to the public at
01:18:04
any time except for classified
01:18:06
information okay well the federal
01:18:08
government now over classifies
01:18:10
everything we have something like what
01:18:11
like a billion classified documents they
01:18:13
literally classify everything so through
01:18:15
the foyer process thirdparty lawyers and
01:18:18
nonprofits have made requests to federal
01:18:20
agencies to get access to this sort of
01:18:22
information and I've done it I don't
01:18:24
know if you guys have ever use foyer
01:18:25
powers for information from the federal
01:18:27
government I had to do foyer requests 10
01:18:29
years ago to get weather data or 15
01:18:31
years ago for my startup climate it was
01:18:33
the only way we were able to get access
01:18:35
to a bunch of weather data was through
01:18:36
foyer requests and then we were able to
01:18:37
use the that data in our services
01:18:39
because it is public data the taxpayers
01:18:41
pay for it so we had a right to it
01:18:43
similarly you can make foyer requests of
01:18:45
emails and uh inter agency
01:18:47
Communications and so on but SX I think
01:18:50
it seems and jcal to your point about
01:18:52
the foil lady there may over time have
01:18:55
been some degree of Corruption of the
01:18:56
foyer process in all of these agencies
01:18:59
which has made it more difficult for
01:19:01
individuals and third parties to have
01:19:02
the appropriate checks and balances on
01:19:04
the data in these agencies because of
01:19:06
the way they've kind of officiated
01:19:07
access slowed down the process sometimes
01:19:09
it takes months for them to respond to
01:19:11
you and it's become quite difficult so
01:19:12
the Foy the intention of the Freedom of
01:19:14
Information Act may have been hindered
01:19:17
by by the bureaucracy this will not be
01:19:19
through for let me make one other
01:19:20
suggestion is we need a massive
01:19:23
declassification effort of the federal
01:19:25
government maybe this is the way to
01:19:26
actually implement the Twitter files
01:19:28
strategy is the problem is we have a
01:19:31
massive over classification problem
01:19:33
billions of documents been classify at
01:19:35
the federal government why because those
01:19:37
bureaucracies know that they can kind of
01:19:39
do whatever they want and kind of work
01:19:41
in peace without having to disclose what
01:19:43
they're really doing if they just Mark
01:19:44
classified on a document someone needs
01:19:47
to go through that and start massively
01:19:49
declassifying and if they do that then
01:19:51
there'll be a lot more documents
01:19:52
available to foyer requests so that
01:19:55
right there would be a huge help and
01:19:56
then like you said the foyer process
01:19:58
could be tightened up it could be a lot
01:20:00
faster could be a lot easier and they
01:20:02
should not be able to circumvent it by
01:20:04
doing the kind of stuff that Jal
01:20:05
referred to during covid where they were
01:20:08
like deliberately misspelling
01:20:10
words Aster in you know hacker speak in
01:20:13
order to avoid this and they were also
01:20:16
told a bunch of people who are in
01:20:19
three-letter agencies just by default
01:20:22
put this at the highest level of
01:20:23
security not to be disass Declassified
01:20:27
so they unnecessarily put everything in
01:20:29
classified and so
01:20:32
now every email is marked at the highest
01:20:35
level of classification which means
01:20:37
there's no Discerning it and if you were
01:20:39
to blame an FBI agent if they told you
01:20:41
hey just put everything on classified so
01:20:43
it doesn't get out okay that seems like
01:20:45
a pretty good way to cover your ass and
01:20:47
that's got to change yeah well a lot a
01:20:49
lot to to come in the weeks ahead I'm
01:20:51
sure we will do more updates as the
01:20:53
cabinet position
01:20:55
you're a man of science I know you have
01:20:57
some differences with RFK do you want I
01:21:00
have very deep trepidation about RFK
01:21:02
having oversight I think the authority
01:21:05
might be limited with respect to the
01:21:08
legislative Authority that's vested by
01:21:10
the Congress which is the the one piece
01:21:12
I I look I mean as you guys know there's
01:21:13
a lot that RFK brings up that I very
01:21:16
that that resonates with me I I'm not a
01:21:18
black and white guy so there are things
01:21:20
that he says that make a lot of sense
01:21:21
there are things I've pointed out
01:21:23
particularly around microplastic in the
01:21:25
environment particular around chemistry
01:21:26
that we use in our food and our systems
01:21:28
of food and production and I I believe
01:21:30
very strongly that we have real issues
01:21:32
that have you know compounding effects
01:21:35
on our health so let let me not be be
01:21:38
too flippant about that I am not a all
01:21:40
vaccines are always good all the time
01:21:42
person I think that every one of them
01:21:43
needs to be studied on the merits and
01:21:44
the risks I think fluoride is is an
01:21:46
interesting conversation to have what
01:21:48
are the merits what are the risks and
01:21:49
why is it a federal why is there Federal
01:21:52
authority over fluide and water which by
01:21:54
the way there isn't it's it's all local
01:21:55
municipalities get to decide on a
01:21:57
nuanced basis then net net where do you
01:21:59
wind up freeberg net net where do you
01:22:01
wind up I will say that there are a
01:22:02
number of things that RFK have said that
01:22:03
that caused me a lot of trouble that
01:22:05
that I'm very troubled by because I
01:22:07
think that he has said things that are
01:22:08
factually wrong and I want him to be
01:22:10
open to debate and open to review of
01:22:13
objective truth and that's it and that's
01:22:14
it and as long as do you like him as a
01:22:19
disinfectant as a rabble Rouser as to
01:22:21
shake up the system or netn net do you
01:22:23
think it's too risky to let him in
01:22:24
generally I think all these systems
01:22:26
should be challenged 100% okay so you
01:22:28
want to send him in you say you want him
01:22:30
to be open to debate I I personally have
01:22:32
never seen a candidate for office who's
01:22:34
been more open to discourse debate
01:22:37
interviews than Bobby Kennedy's done
01:22:38
everything he's been on this show twice
01:22:40
classifying him otherwise I'm not
01:22:42
classifying otherwise you know who is
01:22:43
not open to debate and discourse and
01:22:45
transparency is a bureaucracy that's the
01:22:48
problem if you want government reform
01:22:50
you have to get into the bureaucracy you
01:22:52
need Outsiders to come in you need make
01:22:54
it transparent you got to
01:22:57
declassify that's what you got to do one
01:22:59
of the most important aspects of science
01:23:01
not the the recently Legacy Media or
01:23:04
jokingly definition of quotequote
01:23:06
science but science is meant to be a
01:23:08
process of skepticism interrogation and
01:23:11
the search for objective truth which
01:23:12
means that you should be constantly
01:23:14
questioning whether you are right or
01:23:16
wrong and I do think that that is a
01:23:18
necessary part of the process of science
01:23:20
science is not meant to be a dictatorial
01:23:22
regime and so I think that setting the
01:23:25
framework for how we operate some of the
01:23:28
agencies and authorities that are
01:23:30
supposed to be rooted in science to have
01:23:32
the necessary process of skepticism
01:23:35
review and transparency into that I
01:23:38
think will re reassert faith and
01:23:40
reassert trust by the public in how
01:23:42
these agencies are operating and I hope
01:23:44
that that happens I I really do because
01:23:46
I do think that there are very good
01:23:47
people in all these agencies who do very
01:23:49
good work and there's a lot of very
01:23:51
important advances that have come out of
01:23:52
the United States of America and have
01:23:54
have gone through processes through the
01:23:55
federal government that have actually
01:23:57
done really great things for Americans
01:23:59
and for Humanity and so I don't want us
01:24:01
to dismiss things as being Whimsical
01:24:03
bureaucracies that that don't have any
01:24:04
rooting in science but I do think that
01:24:06
it's important to have this degree of
01:24:07
skepticism and process and have
01:24:08
transparency so that's all
01:24:11
well I'd like you to show me in the
01:24:13
Constitution where the bureaucracy or
01:24:16
the administrative state is a branch of
01:24:18
the government I see in the Constitution
01:24:20
that we are supposed to be ruled by an
01:24:22
executive branch a islative branch and a
01:24:25
judicial branch I do not see hold on I
01:24:27
do not see an administrative branch that
01:24:29
has sprung into into existence over the
01:24:32
last several decades yep and it rules us
01:24:36
there's roughly three million people who
01:24:37
work for the federal government of those
01:24:39
the president basically appoints 3,000
01:24:42
and it takes forever to get them through
01:24:43
yeah so we have roughly three million
01:24:45
people who don't report to anyone
01:24:47
nominally they're supposed to report to
01:24:49
the executive branch but the president
01:24:51
can't fire him we talked about in the
01:24:53
previous show if Elon had gone into
01:24:55
Twitter and he hadn't been allowed to
01:24:57
fire anyone do you think he could have
01:24:59
restored free speech to Twitter of
01:25:01
course not they just would have kept
01:25:02
doing whatever they wanted to do and
01:25:04
that is the big problem in the federal
01:25:05
government right now is we are ruled by
01:25:07
a fourth branch of government that is
01:25:09
not in the Constitution that doesn't
01:25:11
report to anybody it is not subject to
01:25:14
elections we can't vote them out and we
01:25:17
can't fire them and they have been in
01:25:18
the Forefront of trying to stop Trump
01:25:21
and the larger Reform movement that he
01:25:23
represents ever since Trump got elected
01:25:25
in 2016 remember it was members of the
01:25:28
administrative State specifically the
01:25:30
security State who said don't worry
01:25:31
we're going to be the insurance policy
01:25:33
against Trump and they have done
01:25:35
everything possible through the rushia
01:25:37
gate hoax through laare through yeah the
01:25:39
whole steel dosier hoax to basically try
01:25:42
and stop Trump and the reform movement
01:25:45
that he represents and the big question
01:25:46
of Trump's second term will be whether
01:25:48
he can finally subdue this bureaucracy
01:25:51
and bring it under Democratic control
01:25:53
under the control the executive branch
01:25:55
as the American people want and as I
01:25:57
think the Constitution intended right
01:25:59
now we are run by an unelected branch of
01:26:01
government that has to stop and what
01:26:03
Trump represents is not dictatorship but
01:26:05
democracy the Triumph of democracy over
01:26:08
this bureaucracy and a and a big a big
01:26:10
important moment for for this movement
01:26:15
this
01:26:16
return to the fundamentals of what was
01:26:19
vested in the
01:26:20
constitution is the Chevon Doctrine case
01:26:23
at the Supreme Court earlier this year
01:26:25
It reversed the Authority for agencies
01:26:29
to create their own rules and
01:26:30
regulations that they can then enforce
01:26:32
on private Enterprise and if that case
01:26:35
carries through and is allowed to be
01:26:37
used to support the efforts to
01:26:40
deregulate or to De agency what you call
01:26:43
kind of the bureaucracy I think it
01:26:45
enables a lot of the change that that
01:26:47
folks are looking for why should for
01:26:50
example some commission be sprung out of
01:26:53
you know some assembly being being
01:26:54
created and then that commission gets to
01:26:56
create their own rules and their own
01:26:57
regulations that effectively are law
01:26:59
that prevent private citizens and
01:27:01
Enterprises from being able to operate
01:27:03
and make decisions and I think that was
01:27:04
a very important moment for this
01:27:07
movement was the the Supreme Court case
01:27:09
on the Chevon Doctrine earlier year I
01:27:10
don't know if you agree with me on this
01:27:12
seems totally agree I think that was an
01:27:13
absolute
01:27:14
precursor which is it it was insane I
01:27:16
mean again you had a Supreme Court
01:27:19
ruling that effectively made the
01:27:21
administrative State the highest law in
01:27:22
the land even though there's no
01:27:24
constitutional basis for it so yeah
01:27:26
repealing Chevron was definitely half of
01:27:28
it and I think the other half of it is
01:27:29
going to be whether lawmakers have to
01:27:32
pass laws you can't have individual
01:27:33
commissions pass laws that's that's the
01:27:35
whole point we need bills passed by the
01:27:38
Republican Congress that Trump can sign
01:27:40
but we also need I think cabinet level
01:27:43
appointments who will start to subdue
01:27:45
the bureaucracy bring them under control
01:27:47
find out what they're doing just give us
01:27:49
transparency around what they're doing
01:27:52
Twitter file this thing so then we can
01:27:53
reform
01:27:54
I think that we're going to look back on
01:27:56
this era and I think it's going to last
01:27:58
about 20 years or so at least which I
01:28:02
call a return to
01:28:03
originalism we are returning to the
01:28:07
founding principles of this startup
01:28:10
called America and I think it's
01:28:12
incredible I think saak is right there
01:28:14
is this unbelievable living
01:28:17
document that created this incredible
01:28:20
experiment we veered way far away from
01:28:22
it it's taken
01:28:25
us a lot of courage to get back to that
01:28:29
place where now you can actually let
01:28:32
that guiding document govern a highly
01:28:36
meritocratic country so it's going to be
01:28:39
a lot of hard work but my gosh it's just
01:28:40
an incredible moment and opportunity
01:28:43
everybody should just take a breath and
01:28:46
remember that I just like to do a quick
01:28:48
survey of some of the local and state
01:28:50
elections and and get some reactions I
01:28:52
was going to try and talk a little bit
01:28:53
about what's going on in San fr Frisco
01:28:54
in California I'll just hit on it our
01:28:56
friend my friend Daniel lur was it looks
01:28:59
like he's going to be the mayor of San
01:29:00
Francisco beating out the incumbent
01:29:03
mayor London breed
01:29:05
Daniel ran on a moderate platform and
01:29:10
has an intention of fixing a lot of the
01:29:13
operations and inefficiencies in the San
01:29:15
Francisco government which has seen a
01:29:17
ballooning in budget San Francisco has
01:29:18
the highest budget per capita of any
01:29:20
city in the United States I think 50%
01:29:22
higher than New York with a lower
01:29:24
functioning kind of set of Municipal
01:29:26
services and there's a lot of
01:29:28
opportunity for improvement there this
01:29:29
is the first time really important stat
01:29:32
first time an outsider has been elected
01:29:33
mayor in San Francisco since 1911 every
01:29:37
mayor elected since 1911 in San
01:29:39
Francisco was an existing government
01:29:43
employee or government civil servant so
01:29:45
just like what we saw in the federal
01:29:47
elections we are seeing an outsider
01:29:48
being placed inal office in S I wish I
01:29:51
wish I wish Lorie Hardy congrat rations
01:29:54
Nick can you show him the
01:29:56
Tweet your city has become a dangerous
01:29:58
dirty dumpster fire for bad ideas from
01:30:00
Libs I hope you do the obvious and be on
01:30:02
the side of cops Justice clean streets
01:30:03
and meritocracy that's your message to
01:30:05
the incoming well yeah I mean he is has
01:30:09
been a major proponent you were going to
01:30:12
run for mayor one once J I was lobbied I
01:30:16
was approached and I was given uh a a
01:30:19
lot of support uh seven figures of
01:30:21
support to go do it
01:30:24
it's a very hard job because the
01:30:26
supervisors uh actually run the city and
01:30:28
a lot of the supervisors uh like they
01:30:31
got booted too no couple of them got
01:30:33
booted Dean Preston got booted dopy Dean
01:30:37
andp Dean that was big so the the Board
01:30:39
of Supervisors has also shifted moderate
01:30:42
the mayor is now going to be a moderate
01:30:44
Outsider and there's a real opportunity
01:30:46
to rebuild and reform San Francisco it's
01:30:48
a place that I've called home for 25
01:30:50
years it's a place where I operate my
01:30:51
business and it feels like a lot of the
01:30:54
citizens what
01:30:56
hasic I still live there hold on I still
01:31:00
I still live there and I do think that
01:31:01
it was a big election in terms of
01:31:03
improving things in San Francisco so
01:31:04
congrats to Daniel lur he's a friend of
01:31:06
mine as well you go down to La another
01:31:09
big race we booted gasone who was the
01:31:12
Soros da who ruined San Francisco and
01:31:15
then failed his way up to La was ruining
01:31:16
LA and Nathan Hawkman who's uh you know
01:31:20
moderate beat him by something like 20
01:31:22
points and then like I me mentioned we
01:31:24
got prop 36 passed in California by
01:31:27
about 70% which reverse from the
01:31:29
excesses of Prop 47 which is the was the
01:31:32
proposition a decade ago that was passed
01:31:35
by then lieutenant governor Gavin and
01:31:37
then attorney general kamla Harris to de
01:31:41
facto legalize shoplifting so the people
01:31:45
of California have had enough of these
01:31:48
policies that frankly enable crime
01:31:50
enable homelessness enable drug use and
01:31:53
they want a correction look even wokes
01:31:56
and blue State liberals don't want their
01:31:58
cars broken into I mean it's really
01:32:01
shocking it's really simple and I mean
01:32:03
the crazy thing in Los Angeles with
01:32:05
gasone was the a number of people who I
01:32:07
know live there now know people in Santa
01:32:10
Monica in brenwood in belir where we
01:32:12
lived for so many years Sachs have home
01:32:16
invasions have started again I mean that
01:32:18
is like a real breaking point for it's
01:32:21
scary to have your home broken into by a
01:32:23
gang right and and you know one one
01:32:26
final point on this is that while the
01:32:29
people of California resoundingly again
01:32:32
over 70% supported prop 36 there was one
01:32:35
prominent figure who was opposed to it
01:32:37
which was Gavin Newsome he said when he
01:32:39
saw early polling I don't know what
01:32:40
state I'm living in so you know look the
01:32:43
state we're living in Gavin is the one
01:32:46
that you created you're the one who gave
01:32:47
us these policies you're the one who
01:32:49
gave us Prop 47 you're the one who gave
01:32:50
us zero bail you're the one who allowed
01:32:53
the the Democratic party in California
01:32:55
to be taken over by Soros da you've
01:32:57
never resisted these policies now you
01:32:59
have a choice you can see where the
01:33:00
people are at over 70% of California
01:33:03
wants a change I'd say on the rest of
01:33:06
the country if it's 70% California 90%
01:33:08
of the United States must you know is
01:33:11
opposed to these soft on crime policies
01:33:13
and if you ever have aspirations to be
01:33:16
anything more than Governor California
01:33:17
you better get on the right side of this
01:33:18
issue scks David scks should be the
01:33:21
governor of California let's do it
01:33:24
no I'm I I am 100% serious it's the
01:33:27
fifth largest economy in the
01:33:29
world let's do it this is this is this
01:33:31
is marked today as the day that I have
01:33:34
decided oh that I de has decided that I
01:33:37
am going to convince David to be the
01:33:39
governor of California I know great
01:33:41
campaign manager press secretary for him
01:33:43
hype man I will say um I'm just gonna
01:33:46
say that David sock would be an
01:33:47
incredible governor of Califor I really
01:33:50
I'm not a candidate I'm not a c I
01:33:52
understand blah BL right now he's lying
01:33:55
he said it to me privately there's no
01:33:57
rumor I'm just telling you right now
01:33:59
that within two years I will have
01:34:00
convinced him to do it it'll be the
01:34:02
perfect time Gavin Newsome has been
01:34:04
terrible for the state we have seen
01:34:07
trillions of dollars of market cap exit
01:34:10
the state in terms of corporations that
01:34:11
have left we have gone from record
01:34:14
surpluses to record deficits we have an
01:34:17
education system that is failing
01:34:18
millions of kids what is going on here
01:34:22
we have taxes that are through the the
01:34:23
roof and when you spend more and more
01:34:27
and more to get less and less and less
01:34:30
and it takes more and more out of
01:34:32
everybody's
01:34:33
pocket what is the answer the answer is
01:34:36
you have to fundamentally change
01:34:37
everything that's happening from first
01:34:39
principles well I will say one more
01:34:41
Point um about I will call it balance in
01:34:44
the
01:34:46
force when uh a party is captured and
01:34:49
moves too far in One Direction people
01:34:51
leave the party and they vote for the
01:34:53
other party
01:34:54
and then in order to attract people back
01:34:57
to the party they tack to the center my
01:35:00
big prediction over the next few years
01:35:02
as you will see a more Centrist
01:35:04
Democratic party as they try and I'll
01:35:06
take the other side and they try and
01:35:08
attract they're too I'll take the other
01:35:10
side so one one more topic before we W
01:35:13
Sacramento SE sax and Sacramento not
01:35:15
gonna happen not gonna guys before we
01:35:17
WAP there's one other topic that came up
01:35:19
in every conversation I had with
01:35:21
everyone about Trump that was a female
01:35:23
was abortion and it was and and look I
01:35:26
don't want to rehash again that it was
01:35:28
misrepresented what Trump's position is
01:35:30
but abortion has become a very sensitive
01:35:32
topic a woman's right to do what she
01:35:34
wants to do with her body when she wants
01:35:36
to do it is something that that most
01:35:39
women feel they are very deeply endowed
01:35:41
with and that should be an unalienable
01:35:43
right particularly in the United States
01:35:45
of America and that even sending this
01:35:47
back to States and States voting on it
01:35:50
creates a significant emotional response
01:35:52
that drives folks to one party the other
01:35:54
in Florida voters rejected an abortion
01:35:57
extension to 24 weeks Florida previously
01:36:00
had a 15we abortion ban but the current
01:36:02
six-week ban took effect in May so the
01:36:05
amendment that was being proposed on the
01:36:07
ballot this week uh would have a cified
01:36:10
abortion procedures up to 24 weeks in
01:36:12
the state constitution but it needed 60%
01:36:14
of the votes to pass but it only got
01:36:17
57% so it looks like a loss for a
01:36:21
pro-choice Advocates sax what is going
01:36:23
to happen now that these abortion laws
01:36:25
are being voted on these amendments to
01:36:27
state Constitutions are being voted on
01:36:29
how is this going to reshape American
01:36:31
politics and how are the parties going
01:36:33
to shift in the years ahead given how
01:36:35
important and how sensitive this this
01:36:37
topic has has become after the decision
01:36:40
of the Supreme Court recently look I I
01:36:42
think that what you're seeing in the
01:36:45
last election that we just had is the
01:36:47
beginning of the end of the salience of
01:36:49
this issue I mean abortion has been an
01:36:51
issue that has deeply fragmented America
01:36:53
for 50 years I mean the pro-choice
01:36:56
versus pro-life movements have been a
01:36:58
staple of American politics talking past
01:37:00
each other they were never able to get
01:37:02
to any sort of compromise with the
01:37:04
appeal of roie Wade with the do's
01:37:06
decision the issue has now been thrown
01:37:07
back to the States and every state is
01:37:09
working it out for themselves and in
01:37:11
Most states what's happening is it's
01:37:14
either the pro-choice totally wins or
01:37:16
they compromise on some number of weeks
01:37:18
I think that in Florida going for 24
01:37:20
weeks might have been a little bit too
01:37:21
many if they had tried to go back to 15
01:37:24
you know they probably could have gotten
01:37:25
there they probably could have gotten
01:37:26
from 57 to to 60 but that's what the
01:37:28
debate's going to be about now is just
01:37:30
basically in red States it's just going
01:37:31
to be agree about agreeing on a certain
01:37:33
number of weeks Blue states are pretty
01:37:35
much going to be pro-choice and you can
01:37:37
see that the federal level no one wants
01:37:39
to touch this anymore J you raised the
01:37:41
point during the the election cycle
01:37:43
during the campaign that dos would be
01:37:45
crushing for Trump and that women were
01:37:47
going to turn out in droves for Harris
01:37:50
on the base of this issue that simply
01:37:52
did not happen if you look at voter
01:37:54
turnout Trump increased his share of the
01:37:57
women's vote he did lose college
01:37:59
educated women so that subset of you
01:38:01
could call it more Progressive yeah
01:38:03
sorry College educ older women too I
01:38:05
think came out yeah but if you look at
01:38:06
women as a whole he won more of their
01:38:08
votes so how did Trump inoculate himself
01:38:11
on this issue he made it really clear he
01:38:13
was not in favor of a national ban he
01:38:15
said that he favored the exceptions and
01:38:17
that it was now up to the states he
01:38:19
basically assured the country the women
01:38:22
of the country that again that abortion
01:38:24
would not be banned and that was now a
01:38:25
local issue and I think the voters of
01:38:27
the country including women accepted
01:38:29
that and it is now a state issue so so
01:38:32
Maryland Missouri I think it's gone
01:38:34
Maryland Missouri Nevada Montana
01:38:36
Colorado Arizona all voted to codify the
01:38:39
right to abortion and remove abortion
01:38:41
bans on the other hand Nebraska voted
01:38:43
for a ban on abortions after the first
01:38:45
trimester and South Dakota voted against
01:38:48
a right to abortion so South Dakota
01:38:50
prohibits all abortions except when
01:38:52
necessary to you're going to end up
01:38:54
listen you're even in deep red States
01:38:57
like Ohio the pro-choice forces have won
01:38:59
these referenda it's just a handful of
01:39:02
cases like a very small number where the
01:39:04
pro-life have gotten their their way
01:39:07
again I think we're at the tail end of
01:39:09
this being a salian issue in American
01:39:11
politics I think Trump has ended it as a
01:39:13
federal issue and it's now going state
01:39:16
byst state and in most those States the
01:39:17
pro-choice forces are winning I think
01:39:19
this issue is over and I think it's over
01:39:21
because Republicans know not to touch
01:39:24
this jcal you've said it's the it's one
01:39:25
of the most important issues of the day
01:39:27
several times in the past you said women
01:39:29
were going to vote in droves for comma
01:39:30
because of the perception that Trump was
01:39:33
trying to pass a federal a lot of them
01:39:35
did clearly but not enough to swing the
01:39:37
election and you know it's going to be
01:39:41
you think it's gonna be to the question
01:39:42
is Sach right is this GNA stop being an
01:39:45
issue and it's now codified in state law
01:39:47
and or is this going continue to be
01:39:50
states where women will not be able to
01:39:52
get an abortion sadly they will not be
01:39:53
able to make that decision for
01:39:55
themselves that's my personal belief
01:39:56
they should be able to make the decision
01:39:57
for themselves I'd like to stay out of
01:39:59
it but sax is largely right that if you
01:40:02
don't if I'm reading it correctly think
01:40:05
about it if you're a state and you ban
01:40:07
abortion who's going to want to live
01:40:08
there you're going to have a lot of
01:40:09
people leaving and that's been an issue
01:40:11
here in Texas a lot of companies are
01:40:13
having a hard time with not only getting
01:40:15
women to move here to work at specific
01:40:17
companies in Texas but men are a well
01:40:20
are not are citing it as a concern so
01:40:23
it's going to make it really untenable
01:40:26
for an economy you're saying men don't
01:40:28
want to work for Tesla or SpaceX because
01:40:30
of abortions I have heard many stories
01:40:33
about people not wanting to come work at
01:40:35
companies in Texas because of this law
01:40:38
yes I have heard that from employers I'm
01:40:40
not talking about any of Von's companies
01:40:42
I don't speak for him
01:40:43
obviously but this has been an issue for
01:40:46
companies in Texas
01:40:48
okay guys this has been a fantastic
01:40:51
followup to this week's election I know
01:40:53
some people are bitterly disappointed
01:40:55
frustrated angry and sad about the
01:40:57
future of America and others are deeply
01:40:59
optimistic and excited and I think the
01:41:01
end of the day it's all gonna be okay
01:41:04
and I really do hope that everyone can
01:41:06
kind of have constructive conversations
01:41:08
about the future we'd all like to build
01:41:10
together we do here and uh I really
01:41:13
appreciate the friendship with you guys
01:41:15
I want to say congratulations to saak
01:41:16
and chamath for putting yourselves out
01:41:18
there as early as you did in campaigning
01:41:20
and promoting Donald Trump I think you
01:41:22
guys had a very influential role in
01:41:25
moving people for the effort you made
01:41:27
and the outcome congratulations more
01:41:29
than listen I'll say what I said again
01:41:32
he he's a good human being I would
01:41:34
encourage you to get to know him
01:41:36
yeah just that hold him accountable look
01:41:39
if he wants to invite me to Maro to have
01:41:41
a veggie burger and fries I'm there I
01:41:43
will um I will hang out what no veggie
01:41:46
burgers what are you talking about
01:41:47
before you go it's my
01:41:49
bestg B veggie burgers fake Bobby to ban
01:41:54
anything with I know remember all all of
01:41:58
your all that stuff is ver don't worry
01:42:00
Bears on the menu vegans better learn to
01:42:04
find natural sources of protein because
01:42:06
the unnatural sources the free market
01:42:07
Republicans have decided it's time to go
01:42:09
in and ban the market for fake meat
01:42:12
because my God we can't introduce fake
01:42:14
meat we have to tell you what to eat
01:42:15
what to do continues to disregulated
01:42:17
your physiology
01:42:19
s stop using your moderator privileges
01:42:22
to push your agenda free bur take care
01:42:24
guys I love you you byee love you guys
01:42:28
byebye let your winners
01:42:31
ride Rainman
01:42:35
David and instead we open source it to
01:42:38
the fans and they've just gone crazy
01:42:40
with it love you queen
01:42:44
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01:42:48
of Besties
01:42:51
are that's my take it I your
01:42:55
driveway man oh man my habiter will meet
01:42:59
me at we should all just get a room and
01:43:01
just have one big huge orgy cuz they're
01:43:03
all this useless it's like this like
01:43:04
sexual tension that they just need to
01:43:06
release
01:43:07
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01:43:12
somehow we need to get
01:43:18
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01:43:22
mer going all in
