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all right everybody welcome back to the
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All-In podcast after a triumphant week
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last week we had an amazing episode uh
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thanks to Larry Summers and Ezra Klein
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for joining us for the great tariff
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debate number four episode in the world
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last week and uh man we got a banger
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ready for you today before I get to that
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couple of quick plugs did you call the
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DNC to clean up the roadkill Jason from
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last i'm an independent folks just I
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know these guys keep trying to pin me as
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a Democrat i'm an independent critical
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thinker for life but I do think Ezra is
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um got a little PTSD i haven't heard
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from have a roadkill cleanup crew
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you know it's amazing you have an
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episode like that where I thought he
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made great progress on dealing with
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those issues and and came to some
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consensus at the end and then every
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single person universally if they're on
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the right oh my god Sax and Chimath
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destroyed them if they're on the left
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the left's position was "Oh my god Sax
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and Chamath finally got destroyed."
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Anyway you decide for yourself we're
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just here to talk about the most
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important news stories and uh all in
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summit i think Chimath is right i think
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they sent the same crew that cleans up
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the armadillos on the road okay
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all righty here we go september 7th to
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9th couple armadillos left lying on the
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side of the road all right okay
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on the highway jason can I get people
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just trying to clean up the pronouns the
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shovels weren't big enough for all the
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pronouns freeberg was on Jeopardy again
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celebrity Jeopardy and I don't want to
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ruin it for you but he had an amazing
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comeback victory but really excited to
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have on the program today one of your
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favorites he was on the show
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pre-election one of my favorites Robert
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F kennedy is with us again rfk how are
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you doing i love the glasses you're
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going to make America healthy and again
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and uh welcome to the program RFK Jr we
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found out that autism is caused mainly
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by this show and we're going to have to
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take action and we've started to look at
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the different causes but we're thinking
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it is the debate between Ezra Klene and
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Larry Summers that is the real villain
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here
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let your winners ride
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we open sourced it to the fans and
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they've just gone crazy with it
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tremendous everybody knows RFK is going
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to do a great job he's a little bit
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weird but wife is a smoke show i mean an
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incredible wife rfk Jr incredible
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not as good not as good okay well I'm
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trying to land it yeah what am I
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supposed to do i'm up against a
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professional you know so uh welcome to
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the program moderate so that okay here
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we go don't talk over me okay you just
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you you just sit sit down jamal can you
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do what you did last week can you do
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what you did last week what's that
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what's that moderate for narcissists who
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all want to add one more thing let the
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experts talk of course now here comes
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Zach why can't I talk why can't I talk
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i'm so Can you please pass the ball just
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pass the ball let's pass the ball let's
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welcome our
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guest he's an incredibly funny comedian
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he has a new special I'm Your Mother on
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Netflix he's the host of the
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awardwinning now in its 10th year
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emmy-winning award-winning
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he's got the Emmy he's got the Tony he's
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still got to get the Grammy and the
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Oscar the one the only Tim Dylan of the
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Tim Dylan Showers thank you so much
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thank you for having me i feel like I'm
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having a Zoom meeting with Doge to prove
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what I've done in the last week
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this is what by the way this is the last
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thing someone at the EPA sees it's just
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these four guys they're just staring at
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a guy like Traath going "Well we tested
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some soil uh I think we got those
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numbers back." Uh that's what it that's
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what it feels like here i feel like I'm
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on trial just trying to justify my
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stupid job would you like 8 month
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severance or would you like to be fired
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today which would you prefer today you
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have both options on the table it would
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have been very funny if we actually were
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just if if as soon as Tim said that we
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had Steve Davis B on
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Well interestingly I you know I don't
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want to speak out of school or embarrass
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our guests but Tim was supposed to join
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us in February yes and like the star he
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is as I mentioned he's he's got the Emmy
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he's got the Tony still working on the
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Oscar and the Grammy he was supposed to
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be with us and he canceled last minute
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and then we found out why he ditched us
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to spend the day with Steve Bannon and
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go on the Steve Bannon podcast here they
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are that's true when you What is this
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look at that that's Steve Bannon and
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Timmy i took the 23 and me and they
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didn't tell me my ethnicity but the only
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thing that came back was they said that
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Steve Bannon was my father yes and here
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they are on the cyclone in Brooklyn
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beautiful they went out to Little Italy
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little Italy here see by the way they've
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done pretty decent job wrapping up with
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a little hookah or I mean maybe a little
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bit more in there i don't Oh I mean do
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you think Bannon is uh 420 friendly you
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tell us Timmy
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i think anything I mean Bannon would
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tell you if we could start farming
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marijuana in America and the American
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working class could share in the profits
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I think he'd be 420 friendly he would be
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420 finally 420 taiwanese marijuana
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though nothing you know it's got to be
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American can I absolutely can I give a
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quick shout out which is 10 months ago
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Tim Dylan went on the Tucker Carlson
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show i think the title is called Disney
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Boomers and the creepy corporations that
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pretend to love you really one of the
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best pieces of content I watched all of
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last year nick you should put the link
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in the show notes thank you it's
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incredible like thank you the whole
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thing end to end two hours well spent i
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would encourage everybody to watch it
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it's timeless content actually real good
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cultural observation of the moment it's
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really good two white guys talking in a
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in a in a garage in Maine seems he has a
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certain way you know I I went to and did
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it there and he has a way of just kind
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of like slipping you into this state of
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comfort all of a sudden I just started
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talking about all the money I've lost
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he's great he's great at Where's this
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guy who's GHB he's great at it it's like
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Megan Kelly's great at it too i just did
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her thing and um you know she does it at
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her house and I I just show up and she's
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sitting behind the desk and she goes hi
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and you sit down and you're and then she
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goes so your mother's a schizophrenic
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like immediately
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you start crying to Megan Kelly they're
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just good they know what they're doing
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they know what they're doing let's get
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to the docket h20s banned the US and
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China trade war has been escalating on
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Monday the White House informed Nvidia
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that they were putting an indefinite
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export restriction on Nvidia's H20 chips
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to China and so in this filing uh Nvidia
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said it expects a $5.5 billion hit to
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the quarterly earnings stock dropped 6%
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for those of you who don't know H20 is
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essentially the weaker version of the
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H100 it was designed actually to comply
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with uh these export restrictions on AI
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chips and allow them Nvidia to sell
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something into China nvidia CEO CEO
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Jensen Hang was visiting China today he
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told Chinese state media quote "The
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China market is very important to us."
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yada yada sax um you're here i think you
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got some uh official information for us
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on this what What's the story here
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wasn't this supposed to be the chip that
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was made for China in a sense i mean
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there is a long history to this okay so
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first of all just to be clear we're not
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talking about tariffs we're talking
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about export controls and the export
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controls are designed to prevent certain
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sensitive technologies technologies that
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could have a dual use potential military
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as well as consumer application from
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going to China and this goes all the way
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back to 2019 the first Trump
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administration placed a ban on extreme
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ultraviolet lithography equipment going
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to China this is the key technology in
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the printing of transistors on the
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silicon wafer in the semiconductor
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manufacturing process and there's only
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one company in the world that makes
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these machines they cost like $200
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million it's called ASML it's a company
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in the Netherlands in any event the
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first Trump administration prevented
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these machines from going to China which
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I think in hindsight was a really
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far-sighted decision because if it
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weren't for that China might today be
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dominating global manufacturing of
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semiconductors and their inability to
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get that sort of lithography equipment I
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think definitely put a dent in their
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plans subsequent to that in 2022 the
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Biden administration started adding
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leading edge chips to the export control
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list like you said the H100 nvidia then
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designed a new chip that was basically a
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version of the H100 but they reduced the
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amount of flops or computational power
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just below the threshold so they can
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continue selling to China that was
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called the H800 the Biden administration
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then added the H800 to the export
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control list in 2023 so Nvidia developed
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the
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H20 which again is kind of like a Nerf
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version of the H100 just has less
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computational
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power i think the issue is that flops
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isn't the only criteria by which you can
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measure the power of a chip there's also
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now memory bandwidth and in the new
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paradigm of reinforcement learning and
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and test time compute memory bandwidth
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actually matters more than the amount of
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flops and if you look at the memory
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bandwidth on the H20 it actually has 20%
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more memory bandwidth than the H100 so I
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think there's a view that this chip is
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just frankly too good and the response
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I'd have to people who don't think we
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should be restricting this is are you
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against export controls in general or
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you just think that we're drawing the
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line in the wrong place here because you
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know I've heard folks like our friends
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like Bill Gurley and so forth say that
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yeah I was about to um yeah pull that
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we're making a mistake but I think the
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question for those people is would you
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sell them everything i mean if China
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wanted to buy the latest Nvidia chip the
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GB200 would you sell that to them would
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you sell them a million of those would
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you sell them 5 million if they're
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willing to pay a premium it seems to me
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that at some point you have to say that
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some technologies are just too sensitive
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to be sold to China and so then the
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question is just are you drawing the
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line in the right place let me bring
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Freeberg in on that freeberg uh friends
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of the pod like Gavin Baker said these
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tariffs and these type of bans are going
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to essentially guarantee that America
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will lose AI because and Gurley as well
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has this position that we're now going
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to make China force them to make their
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own chips now you know necessity will be
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the mother invention and it's going to
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escalate and we'd be better off just
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selling them these instead of the latest
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ones what's your take on that that you
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know this will be the I think this is
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the inspiration for them to build their
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own Nvidia it's an important question
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last year China announced and began a 37
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billion dollar investment in developing
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their own 3nanometer uh chimp technology
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so you know the EUV lithography systems
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that Sax is referencing
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um require these wavelengths of light at
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about 13 and a half nanometer which is
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you know the previous technology was
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like 200 plus nanometer so it's very
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very small wavelengths of light that you
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have to be able to manipulate very in a
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very kind of discreet way to print
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circuits that are just 3
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nanometer scale and so uh it turns out
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that last year China made a claim that
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this investment they had made was
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starting to pay off and they had
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developed their own EUV system and their
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big semiconductor companies called the
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semiconductor manufacturing
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international corporation or SMIC in
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China they launched a a chip a 7
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nanometer chip with Huawei in their Mate
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60 Pro which is sort of like their
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iPhone competitor in China and so
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they're proclaiming that they've already
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got this EUV technology from what I
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understand and Sax would know better
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than I it sounds like there was a lot of
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reverse engineering and workound of
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existing technology in order to deliver
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that system but they may now already be
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investing in and developing their own
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system so JCAL I think they're doing it
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either way i think that they're going to
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invest and build their own EUV and chip
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manufacturing capacity either way and
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the question is does this slow them down
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or limit their ability on the
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application or the AI layer to kind of
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be held back for some accelerates it
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because they have no choice but to
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accelerates their commitment to it so
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Tim you've been talking about these EUV
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technologies and the 200 nanometer one
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specific it's my entire It's my entire
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It's a little crazy that you rip me off
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like this my entire special is about is
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about the lithograph and that's that's
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the hour that I do you know I'm of the
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mind if you give a man a chip he makes
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one semiconductor or a few but if you
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teach a man to make a chip he makes
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multiple semiconductors and invades
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Taiwan so that's where I am with this
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you know it's uh I think we should keep
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them dependent keep selling it to them
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yes keep selling it to them treat you
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understand how this works you know if
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you if if somebody becomes addicted to
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the good stuff then they come back you
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don't want to give them too much a
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little you you backdo the technology
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with a a little surveillance and stuff
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have some fun have some fun you know
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that's been done before abs sure back
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doors all the time back door the
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technology a little surveillance
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capability you slip it in there yeah
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chimoth what's your what's your thoughts
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coming around the horn here
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you were sort of talking about uh I
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think publicly and obviously you've got
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Grock and so you're you're you're you're
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in the space with chips does this net
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net end of the day slow them down or
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slow them down short term speed them up
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long term i think that the technology
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that they need is extremely non-trivial
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and I do think that it actually slows
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them down quite a bit if they don't have
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access to it
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can I just take a step back and uplevel
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this i think it was in 2017 the State
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Council of China published this plan and
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they were incredibly transparent and
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honest they said "This plan is for China
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to become a global leader in AI by
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2030." Okay and it said so this is in
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2017 and they said "By 2020 we need to
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have made iconic advances by 2025 we
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should be a major engine of the industry
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and by 2030 they should occupy the
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commanding heights they said in AI tech
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okay so why is that important to be
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honest with you I think the real problem
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that we have is that Nvidia is not doing
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what is in the best interest of the
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United States oh David mentioned this
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when the US banned the sale of the
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topend GPUs the A100 and the H100 they
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quickly introduced the A800 and H800
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what does that mean well all it was was
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just a chip that was basically the same
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it slightly reduced the data transfer
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speed so that it went under the export
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control threshold but it was still
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really usable then late last year they
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introduced this thing called this H20
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that was explicitly designed for China
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and to be compliant with US rules at the
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time which again gives these guys
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substantial performance okay so what do
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you have you have a 2017 plan that
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they've been executing against which is
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to say "We want to dominate this space."
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And you have an American company that
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has been working around the guidelines
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at every turn to try to land silicon
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into the hands of China so then you
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would say "Well maybe there's not that
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much going into China." Nick can you
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just throw up the chart that I sent you
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about Nvidia's revenue composition so
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let's just call a spade a spade guys i
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think we can all do the math about
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47% of all of Nvidia's revenue goes to
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China and Chinese
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related countries and I think when you
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peel back this onion I think what you
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will find is a whole raft of
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companies that were stood up to buy
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these Nvidia GPUs to essentially act as
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a way station for China and I think that
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is the big problem because it doesn't
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mean that it was just these chips that
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David and his colleagues put on an
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export control list it was every kind of
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chip and now it explains every single
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time we have an advance in the United
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States how is it that Alibaba shows up
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with something incredible Deep Seek
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shows up with something better at every
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turn and at every step of AI they are at
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the same rate or one step ahead and I
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suspect it's because that these chips
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are being used in very sophisticated
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ways behind the scenes and I think
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that's the issue that we need to address
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just to be clear the insight you have
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here the prediction is people are
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selling these to Taiwan they're selling
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them in Singapore i think it's more Hong
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Kong it's a group that are zipping them
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over to China mainland or letting them
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use them i don't know if you saw but I I
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believe there was a report that there
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was a couple Singaporeans that were
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arrested for actually trying to bring
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the chips into China i don't think it's
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necessarily that i think what happens is
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you have some entity that springs up you
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know acme corp.com they show up in
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Bhutan or Cambodia or Vietnam or
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Singapore and they provide a PO a
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purchase order to Nvidia 300 500 $800
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million what do you think Nvidia is
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going to do they're going to think well
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this is a legitimate Singaporean entity
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i'm going to sell them the chips
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whatever they want it's it can it checks
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all the boxes and they look
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away and what we need to now figure out
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is what happens once those chips get
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delivered it is the only explanation for
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this you you don't have this requirement
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for this number of GPUs for those end
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markets there is only one market that's
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an explosive
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allegation saxs what do you think of
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this theory more broadly i think it it
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is a fact that there have been both
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legal and illegal attempts to evade the
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US export controls that is true and
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there's a number of companies that have
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done it for example last year there was
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a case where TSMC was discovered to have
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produced something like 3 million
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chips that went into the Huawei
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Ascend 910C chips i think there's like 3
00:19:04
million dyes or something that went into
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the Huawei Ascend chips and I think
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they're being fined for that and again
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this is all public information now they
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claimed that they thought it was for a
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company called I think Sofco it's
00:19:17
basically a Bitcoin like AS6 company but
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nonetheless this did happen so there
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have been attempts to set up shell
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companies to circumvent the export
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controls and it is a very big problem
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tim what's your what do you think more
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broadly about what Trump is doing with
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this trade war in China any takes on
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China Taiwan and just how Americans
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should look at hey maybe we have to buy
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some more high quality products maybe we
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don't get things on Teeu as cheap with
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these you know $850 exemptions etc i
00:19:47
think roughly Trump's instincts are
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correct i think the the way that the
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tariffs rolled out seem to be incredibly
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chaotic i think that's a huge problem
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with a lot of what the Trump
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administration does they seem to have
00:20:01
the correct instincts but you they have
00:20:03
like a very sloppy roll out right like
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everything's a hard launch everything's
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incredibly I don't know that things are
00:20:10
messaged the right way the whole Doge
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thing was is a little bit of a fiasco
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because the messaging seemed off like
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nobody was out really talking about what
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they were doing and why they were doing
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it um you know I I don't know how well
00:20:25
this works you know I mean you have a
00:20:27
very integrated global economy you guys
00:20:29
know more about that than I do are you
00:20:31
able to unwind that and if you do you
00:20:33
have to unwind it in certain areas and
00:20:36
certain areas you're going to have to
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allow to probably remain relatively
00:20:41
stable and consistent right i mean if
00:20:44
you listen to Ray Dallio he talks about
00:20:46
like a disaster coming for with monetary
00:20:49
policy right the whole unwinding of
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these economic and political structures
00:20:53
kind of happening at once i don't know i
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think I think Americans do overconume a
00:20:58
lot of crap i think cheap goods aren't
00:21:02
necessarily the highest
00:21:05
um organizing principle of life i think
00:21:08
people have been sold the idea that
00:21:10
cheap goods are more important than
00:21:14
having a stable functioning job and
00:21:17
family i think the gig economy has been
00:21:20
sold to Americans as a way to offer them
00:21:23
uh freedom and and really in chaos at
00:21:26
the expense of the stability that used
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to come with you know a job with
00:21:32
benefits that you stayed in for you know
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but the other component to that is you
00:21:37
know we we have to make sure that like
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you know we don't have skyrocketing
00:21:42
prices that completely decimate people
00:21:45
either so I think you need to find a
00:21:47
balance i want to see my friends work in
00:21:49
factories i want them to get hurt i want
00:21:52
to release the safety standards i want
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child labor children are terror
00:21:56
terrorists many of them um they start
00:21:59
fights in malls there's they have flash
00:22:02
mobs they run around Chicago trying to
00:22:04
kill people that are just trying to have
00:22:06
shellfish towers on the river so yes
00:22:10
children should work my friend should
00:22:12
work in a plastics factory um Door Dash
00:22:16
is a horrible job get your You lose a
00:22:19
finger at a factory it's a story
00:22:21
delivering burritos is a hell driving
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Uber all these horrible degrading things
00:22:27
we make people do yes and then tell them
00:22:29
it's great and then we look you know you
00:22:31
should destigmatize being an electrician
00:22:33
a plumber a contractor all these things
00:22:36
that when I was told you know when I was
00:22:38
growing up they'd point to a guy doing
00:22:39
construction and go you're going to do
00:22:41
that if you don't do your homework and
00:22:42
then the people that did their homework
00:22:44
are are all you know bankrupt and that
00:22:46
construction guy you know is is killing
00:22:50
it he's doing pretty well and so what he
00:22:51
went to January 6 he went there
00:22:53
peacefully but the whole thing is like I
00:22:55
think you need to figure out um you know
00:22:59
how to kind of reintroduce the idea that
00:23:03
this gig economy where people surf from
00:23:06
one unfulfilling nightmare to the next
00:23:09
should be rethought yeah yes better to
00:23:12
be in a factory losing a finger can I
00:23:15
ask you a question who in in in David's
00:23:18
estimation when you're talking about
00:23:20
these companies that are set up to get
00:23:22
these chips that evade export controls
00:23:25
you think is that the Chinese government
00:23:27
doing that is that a intelligence agency
00:23:30
doing that who would be setting those
00:23:32
companies up is it people that are
00:23:34
interested purely in profit and that are
00:23:36
then selling those chips that's super
00:23:38
interesting
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well I think you have to ask the
00:23:41
question queono i mean who benefits i
00:23:44
think clearly the shell companies the
00:23:45
front companies are set up by either the
00:23:48
Chinese government or entities in China
00:23:49
to evade the export controls because
00:23:51
ultimately they want the chips however I
00:23:53
think there is also a problem that Lenin
00:23:57
described as the the capitalists will
00:24:00
sell us the rope with which to hang
00:24:01
themselves and I do think there are a
00:24:04
lot of Western companies that will look
00:24:06
the other way or turn a blind eye and
00:24:08
just haven't been enforcing the rules as
00:24:11
religiously as they should because it's
00:24:14
profitable not to and this is where I do
00:24:16
think that the US government has to be
00:24:18
pretty tough i mean if we're going to
00:24:20
have export controls in the first place
00:24:22
and I know there's some people who don't
00:24:23
think we should have them but I do i
00:24:25
mean I don't think we should let China
00:24:27
have access to our leading edge AI
00:24:29
technology we have to make sure that the
00:24:31
export controls are effective and that
00:24:34
means there has to be some cracking down
00:24:37
in order to to make that happen part of
00:24:39
the crackdown is we have to define the
00:24:41
boundary lines in a more effective way
00:24:43
with fewer loopholes so that companies
00:24:47
can't legally take advantage of those
00:24:48
loopholes but also we're going to need
00:24:50
more monitoring more inspection and more
00:24:53
enforcement and this is one of the few
00:24:55
areas of the government that I actually
00:24:56
think needs more resources i think that
00:24:59
Elon and Doge have identified many areas
00:25:01
of the government that are massly
00:25:02
overstaffed but this is one area there's
00:25:04
an agency inside the Department of
00:25:06
Commerce called BIS that actually has to
00:25:08
do all of this monitoring and
00:25:11
inspections and enforcement and I I
00:25:13
actually think they're understaffed
00:25:14
relative to the importance of this
00:25:17
particular task let's have a thought
00:25:18
starter for a second guys do you guys
00:25:21
think that if
00:25:23
47% of all of the AI capability and
00:25:26
horsepower is being shipped to three
00:25:30
Asian
00:25:31
countries where do you think the apps
00:25:34
that require that amount of horsepower
00:25:37
live is there a cursor of Bhutan that we
00:25:41
did not know is there a great shopping
00:25:45
app in Cambodia that's come out of
00:25:47
nowhere that's AI powered i think the
00:25:50
answer is no so we already know what the
00:25:52
answer is the question
00:25:55
is this is a case where you have
00:25:58
plausible deniability right i sell
00:26:01
something to a Singaporean registered
00:26:04
company plausible deniability what what
00:26:06
am I supposed to do you can't expect me
00:26:08
to audit it i think that's what Nvidia's
00:26:11
answer will be to this question but what
00:26:13
is the real expectation let's flip it on
00:26:16
its head last week China in retaliation
00:26:19
for tariffs constrained the supply of
00:26:22
rare earths outside of China right
00:26:24
leaving China you had certain factory
00:26:27
lines that just had to stop on a dime
00:26:29
right so they're clearly in a position
00:26:32
to understand their supply chain who
00:26:34
benefits or who doesn't benefit and can
00:26:37
be hurt by constraining supply and
00:26:39
they're able to affect that at a minimum
00:26:41
the United States should have a
00:26:42
mechanism to understand it whether they
00:26:44
do it or not should be up to you know
00:26:46
powers that be that are bigger than than
00:26:48
the four of us or the five of us but
00:26:50
that that's my point which is that it is
00:26:52
implausible that if you did one or two
00:26:54
layers of work you would not find that
00:26:56
most of this traffic is being used by
00:26:58
Chinese organizations that may be okay
00:27:00
and that's a decision that the United
00:27:01
States government should make but it's
00:27:03
something that that should be disclosed
00:27:04
to them somehow and I think if you look
00:27:06
at the composition of revenue for Nvidia
00:27:09
it is inconceivable that there's a bunch
00:27:11
of Asian AI apps that are just crushing
00:27:13
it so hard no no I mean it's so obvious
00:27:15
what's happening there um I think we
00:27:18
Yeah I we don't need to guess taiwan and
00:27:21
Vietnam do not have the need for that
00:27:22
many domestically they're obviously
00:27:24
flipping them to someone right it's a
00:27:26
it's a it's a given some percentage of
00:27:27
those are being uh resold hey uh
00:27:30
Freeberg you were on Jeopardy freeberg
00:27:34
went to the next round wait this is the
00:27:36
outro to that i wanted to get Tim in on
00:27:38
on the on the Jeopardy thing you should
00:27:40
have done like a more broadly accessible
00:27:42
topic like No the chips are good i like
00:27:44
the chips you like that Tim i learned
00:27:46
something the plausible deniability is
00:27:48
interesting it's like the Banks that
00:27:50
dealt with Jeffrey Epstein and I know
00:27:51
it's a sore topic because he was the
00:27:52
fifth man on this show and RP if you
00:27:54
miss him
00:27:57
but let's be honest he would have been
00:27:58
phenomenal on the show let's just say he
00:28:00
would have been good on this show yeah
00:28:01
and he would have been good on the show
00:28:03
but no that was a very interesting topic
00:28:05
i've never been on a podcast where a
00:28:06
topic's been handled and I'm gonna go on
00:28:09
Joe Rogan tomorrow and just say
00:28:10
everything Chimoff just said i'm going
00:28:13
to go I'm going to go what did he say
00:28:14
can we level this up or something can we
00:28:16
high level this let's say Yeah we'll
00:28:17
level up can we Can we uple it that's
00:28:21
interesting i say that at Chili i go can
00:28:23
we uplevel this for a minute yes 199
00:28:26
extra if you want if you want the extra
00:28:28
jalapenos to me so what's going on
00:28:30
harvard are we selling that to China i'm
00:28:32
for that yes well there's been a Donny
00:28:34
book if you will Tim
00:28:36
between Trump and Harvard too smart to
00:28:38
buy Harvard they know it's a scam that's
00:28:41
a good point here we go i just spoken
00:28:43
like a true Stanford guy on March 31st
00:28:45
three federal agencies announced they
00:28:47
were reviewing 9 billion 9 billion in
00:28:50
multi-year federal grants and 256
00:28:53
million in contracts it went to Harvard
00:28:55
three agencies education health and the
00:28:57
GSA this past Friday April 11th the
00:29:01
group sent a letter to Harvard's
00:29:02
president and the head of Harvard
00:29:03
Corporation laid out a series of changes
00:29:06
the White House is demanding merit-based
00:29:08
hiring and admissions staff admission
00:29:10
students all that good stuff cancel all
00:29:12
your DEI programs no more die reform
00:29:16
international admissions no more
00:29:18
admitting students that are quote
00:29:19
hostile to American values increase the
00:29:23
different um viewpoints on diversity
00:29:26
across all departments and abolish
00:29:27
admission practices that served as an
00:29:30
ideological litmus test harvard's
00:29:32
president Alan Garber said he would not
00:29:35
comply later that day the White House
00:29:37
responded by freezing 2.2 billion in
00:29:39
grants 60 million in contracts they now
00:29:41
want to take away the White House the
00:29:44
taxexempt status of Harvard which would
00:29:46
be absolutely insane it's happened
00:29:50
actually once before in 1970s bob Jones
00:29:52
University in South
00:29:54
Carolina was doing outwardly racist
00:29:57
stuff and uh the IRS according to the
00:30:00
CNN is looking into this your thoughts
00:30:03
Shim
00:30:05
well it's more than the IRS is looking
00:30:07
into it they're thinking of revoking
00:30:08
their tax exempt status
00:30:11
how about I tee this up slightly
00:30:12
differently tim you brought up something
00:30:15
that I think is really important which
00:30:16
is what is the American dream for all
00:30:18
these people that are cascading between
00:30:20
half jobs and half measures that's right
00:30:24
that's a really important question and
00:30:27
right now if you look at the top of the
00:30:30
educational hierarchy Harvard what have
00:30:33
we seen over the last few years they are
00:30:36
at the absolute bottom of the rankings
00:30:38
with respect to free speech they have
00:30:40
lost all of these cases all the way up
00:30:42
to the Supreme Court about how they do
00:30:45
admissions harvard doesn't just have a
00:30:47
front door it's got a bunch of side
00:30:48
doors got a bunch of back doors and they
00:30:51
discriminate and what is the opposite of
00:30:54
discrimination it's meritocracy and I
00:30:56
think with 20 plus years of
00:30:58
discrimination what Harvard did was made
00:31:01
it fashionable for other schools to
00:31:03
discriminate and if you compound that
00:31:06
for 20 years it doesn't just touch the
00:31:08
universities it starts to touch the high
00:31:10
schools and the middle schools where we
00:31:13
live at the beginning of CO we had some
00:31:16
morons at the board of education decide
00:31:18
to take away AP calculus and AP math
00:31:20
because it made people feel bad it's
00:31:23
absolutely ridiculous and then we pound
00:31:26
these kids with ADHD pills and what
00:31:30
happens is what you described Tim so
00:31:33
what is the point of fixing Harvard it's
00:31:35
really important because the opposite of
00:31:37
what they do what they do is
00:31:40
discriminate is a meritocracy and we
00:31:42
need to make that fashionable again and
00:31:45
the the biggest reason goes back to
00:31:46
again I'll just go back to the the chip
00:31:49
conversation the Chinese are so well
00:31:51
organized if you look at the Chinese and
00:31:54
the Indians together those are 2.5
00:31:56
billion people swimming in a
00:31:58
meritocratic soup from the day they're
00:32:00
born that's the only way they climb out
00:32:02
and it's eaten or be eaten and then when
00:32:06
they graduate from an education system
00:32:08
that is purely meritocratic you know
00:32:10
what they do they enter a workforce
00:32:11
that's also meritocratic so it's
00:32:14
compounded into their psyche that you
00:32:15
just have to perform whereas what we do
00:32:18
is we do all of these fake things that
00:32:20
make people feel really bad about
00:32:21
themselves they look at other people
00:32:22
that think that shouldn't deserve to be
00:32:24
in places get places and so we have to
00:32:27
turn that tide and so whatever it takes
00:32:29
the most severe and extreme measures
00:32:32
must be undertaken to fix this that's my
00:32:34
point of view tim your thoughts on uh
00:32:38
Trump wanting to take away the nonprofit
00:32:40
status i went to the um I went to one of
00:32:44
these
00:32:45
encampments during the protests i wanted
00:32:48
to see it for myself to see what was
00:32:49
going on i do I I did like there was a
00:32:53
lot of you you'd see a non-binary uh
00:32:55
Asian dressed up like a Hamas and I
00:32:57
think that's fun i think it's college so
00:33:00
I think that people are going to express
00:33:04
views that are often you know probably
00:33:06
anti-American i don't think we can you
00:33:09
can't shield yourself from that i don't
00:33:12
I don't like deporting people that are
00:33:15
you know critical of Israel for example
00:33:17
unless they've committed crimes and you
00:33:19
can provide they're providing material
00:33:20
support you know if you can prove
00:33:21
they're providing due process due
00:33:23
process says "Well you need to provide
00:33:24
you know if they're providing material
00:33:26
support to Hamas or something like that
00:33:29
that's a different story but if they're
00:33:30
here on a legal resident visa they
00:33:32
should be allowed the space to you know
00:33:35
express themselves as any other American
00:33:36
citizen would." Now that being said it
00:33:39
is impossible to look at higher
00:33:41
education in America right now and not
00:33:42
be embarrassed truly truly the word is
00:33:46
embarrassment these should be the
00:33:48
shining example of as Shamath was saying
00:33:51
institutions that prepare people for the
00:33:54
real world but what they really are
00:33:55
they've all been captured in this quasi
00:33:58
religious cult of insanity where people
00:34:01
are elevating
00:34:04
uh different types of characteristics
00:34:06
outside of intelligence and merit as the
00:34:08
most important things to be considered
00:34:10
for admission uh you know to to be given
00:34:13
academic achievements and things like
00:34:15
this it's kind of embarrassing and I
00:34:17
think if these institutions are going to
00:34:18
follow that path they're going to have
00:34:19
to live and die on their own they're not
00:34:21
going to be able to be taxpayer
00:34:23
subsidized and funded they have massive
00:34:25
endowments from multi-billionaires whose
00:34:29
families all go but like Jamas said they
00:34:31
do engage in discrimination and and
00:34:33
frankly you know again I'm not for
00:34:36
drawing ideological lines and I'm a big
00:34:38
free speech guy but I do think that you
00:34:41
don't find much ideological diversity on
00:34:43
any of those campuses certainly not in
00:34:45
the faculties at all and it doesn't
00:34:47
prepare anybody for a world and all the
00:34:50
politics are are very aesthetic meaning
00:34:53
all these people are out there you know
00:34:55
showing off exhibiting their virtue but
00:34:58
at the end of the day they're still
00:34:59
getting a very cushy internship and a
00:35:02
nice job and you know they're going to
00:35:04
summer in Marthy's Vineyard you know for
00:35:07
example I I was lucky enough to go to
00:35:09
the Kennedy compound this summer i went
00:35:11
sailing with their family and they're
00:35:13
really great kids and a lot of the kids
00:35:14
there were Figure or The Rock where are
00:35:15
they no they're on you know Hyannis
00:35:17
whatever the famous thing and I went
00:35:19
there and a lot of their young their
00:35:21
young kids RFK's kids are young they
00:35:22
went to Harvard and a lot of these
00:35:23
Harvard kids are all good kids but you
00:35:25
know some of them are very interesting
00:35:27
right cuz they they said to me they said
00:35:28
"You own a house in the Hamptons." I
00:35:30
said "Yeah." They go "Do you ever go out
00:35:30
during the winter?" I go "Yeah sometimes
00:35:32
I do it's quiet nice you can write you
00:35:34
can work on stuff." They go "Yeah well
00:35:36
you know," they go "It's kind of
00:35:37
depressing to come to the Cape in the
00:35:38
winter cuz all these people here are on
00:35:39
drugs." And it's like yeah cuz you
00:35:41
shipped their jobs away so it just is
00:35:44
stunning and these are Harvard kids
00:35:46
they're very smart kids but you have
00:35:47
these chasms where they you know where
00:35:50
where you would think it would be
00:35:52
completely obvious to people at at this
00:35:56
you know amazing academic institution
00:35:58
that yeah of course the people are on
00:36:00
drugs they're embracing pathological
00:36:02
behavior they they don't have a future
00:36:04
but these schools have become these
00:36:05
really insular bubbles where these
00:36:07
people have these really well-meaning
00:36:09
aesthetic politics which says we don't
00:36:12
care about your economic circumstances
00:36:13
here's a trans Batman and I don't think
00:36:16
that that that seems to be the ethos of
00:36:19
higher education in America right now
00:36:21
and it's it it's it's very hypocritical
00:36:23
and I I think it's why the Democratic
00:36:25
Party no longer connects because they're
00:36:27
too closely associated with like that
00:36:30
type of you know that type of vibe
00:36:33
identity politics yeah freeberg what's
00:36:36
that should the IRS revoke or threaten
00:36:38
to revoke here uh their nonprofit status
00:36:42
is that a uh fair technique here because
00:36:45
uh they won't acquies and uh do exactly
00:36:48
as instructed what And what do you think
00:36:50
is going to happen here this possibly
00:36:52
result in them losing their IRS status
00:36:57
harvard's endowment is
00:37:00
53.2 billion huge assume they make 7%
00:37:05
return you know they're making 4 billion
00:37:07
a year in income generated from those
00:37:11
investments in that endowment i think
00:37:14
there's a couple of two really important
00:37:16
questions one is should the role of the
00:37:18
federal government be to give out money
00:37:21
equally to institutions or should the
00:37:24
role be to give money to the
00:37:25
institutions that are going to provide
00:37:27
the highest ROI for America or is the
00:37:30
goal to redistribute wealth and is that
00:37:33
the the point of federal spending and
00:37:36
federal expenditures so you know you
00:37:38
could kind of think about Harvard MIT
00:37:40
and a few other institutions that have
00:37:42
truly great research institutions
00:37:44
embedded within them as being the best
00:37:47
ROI for America from a grant perspective
00:37:50
when you're giving out research grants
00:37:52
that's the best place because it it just
00:37:54
like any other great technology company
00:37:57
it accumulates capital because it
00:37:58
accumulates talent and that has a
00:38:01
network effect and now you've got a few
00:38:02
institutions that have a monopoly on
00:38:04
highquality talent and as a result it's
00:38:07
the best ROI for America is that what
00:38:09
the federal government is investing in
00:38:12
or is should the federal government be
00:38:13
trying to support universities all over
00:38:15
the place that are more in need
00:38:17
particularly a university that has 53
00:38:19
billion of capital do they really need
00:38:21
the federal funds so then the next
00:38:23
question I think is like what is the
00:38:25
limit on the government's ability to
00:38:28
influence whether or not an institution
00:38:30
gets their capital is it statutory is it
00:38:32
mandated by law or does it become
00:38:35
politically motivated socially motivated
00:38:37
etc because in other parts of how we're
00:38:40
seeing decisions being made we're saying
00:38:42
Chevron doctrine was thrown out and when
00:38:44
Chevron doctrine gets thrown out we
00:38:46
can't rely on the regulatory scrutiny of
00:38:50
the administrators of the capital we
00:38:52
have to rely on the law and is there a
00:38:54
law that they're relying on and I think
00:38:56
that's the key question is to have the
00:38:58
administration point to the laws that
00:39:01
they believe are being violated to to to
00:39:03
kind of make I would say a strongly
00:39:05
defensible argument about why they would
00:39:06
withhold the capital to make sure that
00:39:08
they're compliant with the law and
00:39:10
whatnot and have it not be kind of you
00:39:12
know just we we would prefer to see you
00:39:14
do things differently because we think
00:39:15
it's socially better so I think those
00:39:17
are kind of the two key points whether
00:39:18
or not these institutions deserve
00:39:20
nonprofit status i don't know why an
00:39:22
institution that has 53 billion of
00:39:24
capital and is making probably four or
00:39:26
five billion a year shouldn't pay taxes
00:39:28
on that
00:39:30
income that income is being used to in a
00:39:33
variety of ways to build nice buildings
00:39:35
and there's IP that's held by these
00:39:37
institutions that IP is used to startups
00:39:39
they get equity in the startups they
00:39:41
have income streams on their IP i mean
00:39:43
they really do operate like technology
00:39:45
development centers so you know what is
00:39:48
the the original kind of reason for
00:39:50
saying that they should be tax exempt
00:39:51
the majority of the capital is not being
00:39:53
used to educate students the majority of
00:39:54
the capital is being used to reinvest to
00:39:57
make new capital sax your position on uh
00:40:01
Harvard losing its tax exempt status
00:40:04
potentially because they will not uh
00:40:07
stop their DEI programs or they want to
00:40:08
I guess better stated would be that they
00:40:10
want to make their own decisions about
00:40:12
this and not have the federal government
00:40:13
make those decisions let's get to the
00:40:15
nitty-gritty of the legal issue here in
00:40:17
1983 there was a case called Bob Jones
00:40:19
University versus the IRS in which the
00:40:21
IRS challenged the taxexempt status of
00:40:23
Bob Jones University because Bob Jones
00:40:27
had this bizarre and reprehensible
00:40:29
policy banning interracial dating on
00:40:32
campus and interracial marriage based on
00:40:35
a strange interpretation of scripture at
00:40:37
least that's what they said it was in
00:40:39
any event Bob Jones lost that case and
00:40:42
they lost their taxexempt status as far
00:40:44
as I know they kept the policy and they
00:40:46
continued to operate as a private
00:40:47
university but the Supreme Court found
00:40:50
that if you enshrine a racially
00:40:53
discriminatory policy in violation of
00:40:56
the civil rights laws then you cannot
00:40:58
get tax exempt status so that was the
00:41:00
precedent fast forward to 2023 we have
00:41:03
the case Students for Fair Admissions
00:41:05
versus Harvard this is the Supreme Court
00:41:07
case a few years ago that said that
00:41:10
affirmative action policies that use
00:41:13
race as a factor in emissions are a
00:41:16
violation of the 14th amendment's
00:41:19
protection against racial discrimination
00:41:21
so Harvard lost that case they were
00:41:23
found to be racially discriminating in
00:41:26
admissions now what Harvard did in the
00:41:29
wake of that is that they claimed that
00:41:31
they
00:41:32
removed access to information about an
00:41:35
applicant's race from the admissions
00:41:37
process so that the admissions readers
00:41:40
don't know what race a student is this
00:41:42
is their claim but at the same time that
00:41:44
they did that they updated their
00:41:47
application replacing the long form
00:41:49
essay you know that all of us filled out
00:41:51
decades ago when we went to school with
00:41:53
five shorter questions asking how
00:41:55
applicants will contribute to a diverse
00:41:57
student body it's suspiciously similar
00:41:59
to these DEI statements where
00:42:02
prospective professors who are applying
00:42:03
for jobs these universities get asked
00:42:06
you know how will you contribute to
00:42:07
diversity on campus things like this and
00:42:10
it's used as a way to discriminate
00:42:12
against conservatives or people who just
00:42:14
think that race or diversity should not
00:42:16
be a factor in teaching on campus anyone
00:42:20
who answers that question I believe in
00:42:22
judging people based on the content of
00:42:24
their character not the color of their
00:42:25
skin they're they're going to get weeded
00:42:27
out right i mean or someone who says
00:42:28
well I'm going to contribute to
00:42:29
diversity on campus by contributing
00:42:32
intellectual diversity those are the
00:42:33
types of applicants who get weeded out
00:42:35
by these DEI statements and we see that
00:42:37
in another part of what the government
00:42:39
is claiming uh is that Harvard has is
00:42:42
engaged in viewpoint discrimination
00:42:45
against conservatives and you can see
00:42:46
this in polling of the the Harvard
00:42:50
faculty more than 80% of surveyed
00:42:51
Harvard faculty identify as liberal so
00:42:54
my point is
00:42:55
this these DEI statements have been used
00:42:59
in faculty hiring to discriminate on the
00:43:01
basis of viewpoint and to use race as a
00:43:04
factor in hiring i think in a similar
00:43:06
way they've now updated their admission
00:43:09
application to make all the essays about
00:43:12
race so I think this idea that they're
00:43:14
not playing a game here and they're not
00:43:15
trying to engineer the student class
00:43:17
around race it's hard to believe right
00:43:20
right i mean these are people who have
00:43:21
not changed their ideology they believe
00:43:24
what they were doing before that 2023
00:43:26
case was trying to engineer the
00:43:28
percentages of each student class to
00:43:30
match the percentages of each race in
00:43:33
the American population right and these
00:43:36
are people who are doctrinire about that
00:43:39
ideology so the idea that they're not
00:43:41
still doing it I think is hard to
00:43:43
believe now of course of course so we
00:43:46
all know what they're doing and the
00:43:49
alternative to the administration saying
00:43:50
just get rid of DEI is that every year
00:43:53
or two we're going to have new
00:43:54
litigation where there'll be some
00:43:56
whistleblower and it'll come out that
00:43:58
Harvard's still engaging in racial
00:43:59
discrimination and then you know Harvard
00:44:02
will be found guilty like they were in
00:44:03
that 2023 case and they'll change their
00:44:05
policy and they'll manipulate it and
00:44:07
they'll play some new game and there'll
00:44:08
be a new court case and we'll keep going
00:44:10
back and forth with them or we can just
00:44:13
say stop it right now stop the DEI
00:44:15
nonsense actually abide by both the
00:44:18
letter and spirit of the Supreme Court
00:44:21
decision Students for Fair Admissions
00:44:22
versus Harvard and stop engaging in
00:44:25
racial discrimination and this is why I
00:44:26
think the administration is correct here
00:44:30
in pressing Harvard on this now look if
00:44:32
Harvard wants to keep playing these
00:44:34
games they can no one is saying that
00:44:36
they have to get rid of DEI they just
00:44:38
have to give up their federal funding
00:44:40
the way that Bob Jones University did
00:44:42
but the problem is the problem is that
00:44:44
Harvard wants to have his cake and eat
00:44:45
it too right they want to basically keep
00:44:48
engaging in racial discrimination
00:44:49
through these DEI policies but they want
00:44:52
federal funding and you can't have both
00:44:54
do you think that these universities or
00:44:57
universities in general that receive
00:44:58
federal funding have become
00:45:01
more
00:45:03
ideologically call it liberal I would
00:45:05
call it a little bit more kind of
00:45:08
socialistoriented because they're
00:45:10
dependent on federal funding do you see
00:45:13
what I'm saying like is it the case that
00:45:15
this ideology acrru over time when you
00:45:18
are much more dependent on the
00:45:20
government you mean there's no market
00:45:22
feedback that that keeps you in check
00:45:25
there's no private market there's
00:45:26
nothing that ultimately translates
00:45:29
into a system where you're necessarily
00:45:32
needing to be competitive for capital
00:45:34
competitive for talent like like the
00:45:36
accumulation of federal dollars over
00:45:38
time makes you say "I deserve federal
00:45:40
dollars." And the people that think that
00:45:42
you deserve federal you're making You're
00:45:43
making a really good point and I think
00:45:45
you could be right Nick can you please
00:45:47
throw up the chart that I sent you which
00:45:48
is the the amount of research between
00:45:51
China and America okay first look at
00:45:53
this so again you make these plans and
00:45:57
you're like where are we going to put
00:45:58
the money okay China says guys we are
00:46:00
going to learn how to catch up to
00:46:03
America in terms of spending on science
00:46:06
this is gross domestic expenditures on
00:46:09
science and what you see is China from
00:46:12
basically nothing in
00:46:14
2001 is now neck andneck with the United
00:46:18
States spending half a trillion dollars
00:46:20
a year on core fundamental science
00:46:21
research so what happens as a byproduct
00:46:24
of that okay so you spend more on the
00:46:26
way in so China is listening to the
00:46:28
market feedback freeberg let's go and
00:46:30
explore this idea that there is no
00:46:31
market feedback in America what are the
00:46:34
long run implications and you see it on
00:46:36
this chart which is this is a simple
00:46:38
chart that says what
00:46:41
percentage of all of the foundational
00:46:44
research comes from the United States
00:46:46
versus comes from China and what's crazy
00:46:48
about this chart is right around
00:46:51
2019 China passed the United
00:46:54
States this chart by the way only
00:46:57
measures research that is published in
00:46:59
English okay so if you added in the
00:47:02
research that China actually publishes
00:47:04
in Chinese they would have run away with
00:47:07
this a decade
00:47:09
earlier so then you think about okay
00:47:12
well what is the implication of this
00:47:13
well the implication is obvious these
00:47:15
guys are inventing things we're playing
00:47:18
catchup meanwhile we're bumbling around
00:47:20
talking about pronouns we can't get our
00:47:22
act together this is why we need to be
00:47:24
decisive what is important here so for
00:47:26
NIH grants this was published by the NIH
00:47:29
by the way a few weeks ago on their
00:47:31
Twitter account so this is an image they
00:47:32
put out and on Feb 15th or thereabouts
00:47:36
the NIH said any grants we give to
00:47:38
universities now so so today if you're a
00:47:40
researcher you're a scientist at a
00:47:42
university like Harvard I don't know if
00:47:44
people realize this the way you get
00:47:46
funding for your lab is you will apply
00:47:48
for a grant someone has to give you that
00:47:50
capital to run your lab and many grants
00:47:53
come from the NIH so they go to the NIH
00:47:56
they file for a grant if the grant gets
00:47:58
approved they get $3 million let's say
00:48:02
but what happens is that at the
00:48:04
institution that they run that lab at
00:48:06
that institution can now bill the
00:48:08
government for some negotiated
00:48:10
percentage of the grant amount to cover
00:48:13
administrative overhead so at Harvard
00:48:15
you know what the administrative
00:48:16
overhead was up until Feb 15th 69%
00:48:20
wait no wait a second that you're saying
00:48:22
$69 of every hundred go to
00:48:24
administration it's an incremental $31
00:48:28
yeah well it's actually an incremental
00:48:30
$69 so the way it works on top the lab
00:48:33
gets 100 and then Harvard bills the
00:48:35
government $69 that's insane that's
00:48:38
insane and this is true and and the
00:48:40
average is around 30% today across
00:48:43
universities and other institutions so
00:48:45
there's also this very fundamental
00:48:46
question that's being asked in science
00:48:48
right now which is are universities even
00:48:50
the right place to be doing fundamental
00:48:52
scientific research in the United States
00:48:55
there are different models most of our
00:48:56
research is done either at a private
00:48:58
company which is a small amount of
00:48:59
research and remember I've I've talked
00:49:02
about this a lot the big companies that
00:49:04
have a market that's telling them you
00:49:06
have to have a positive return on
00:49:07
invested capital that have the scale to
00:49:10
invest have the most incredible returns
00:49:12
for America like Google that put out the
00:49:16
transformer model that launched
00:49:17
everything that we see today and and
00:49:19
invested in Whimo for many years and
00:49:20
drove the self-driving car revolution
00:49:22
and all the work that was going on at
00:49:23
Bell Labs up until we said Bell Labs a
00:49:26
monopoly and we broke them apart and
00:49:28
they got destroyed and so we largely aim
00:49:30
to destroy large private research
00:49:32
institutions in this country because we
00:49:34
claim that they're monopolistic because
00:49:35
of the way they source capital which is
00:49:37
through activities in the marketplace so
00:49:40
the question today that's being asked is
00:49:42
should we be doing fundamental
00:49:43
scientific research at universities
00:49:45
given that over time the administrative
00:49:47
overhead has grown and they're basically
00:49:48
creating administrative workloads and
00:49:51
employing people without necessarily
00:49:53
having a market incentive can I tell you
00:49:55
a crazy story this is a story I've never
00:49:58
told but a friend of mine is an
00:50:01
incredibly wellrespected banker on Wall
00:50:03
Street very senior guy works at one of
00:50:05
the big mainline banks and a few years
00:50:08
ago this is about 18 months ago 2 years
00:50:10
ago he had always wanted to work in
00:50:12
government and they tried to get him to
00:50:16
join the Federal Reserve and it was for
00:50:19
a role that was very specific and narrow
00:50:22
it was to manage a very specific part of
00:50:26
the interest rate mortgage market it's a
00:50:29
really important role it's a little bit
00:50:31
in the weeds but it was like his dream
00:50:33
job you know he did his PhD thesis on it
00:50:35
the whole the whole nine yards whatever
00:50:37
kind of thing so he goes through these
00:50:39
interviews and he sits with Jerome
00:50:42
Powell goes through that interview sits
00:50:44
with I think La Brainard you know
00:50:47
everybody and it was time for the final
00:50:50
interview and right before the person
00:50:54
that was his kind of like shepherd says
00:50:56
to him "You really need to play up your
00:51:00
Indianness cuz what we really want is
00:51:03
somebody who can help us tell a diverse
00:51:06
story." He goes "Well my diversity is
00:51:07
that I know this market better than
00:51:09
literally anyone else in the world like
00:51:11
nobody knows this i know it i've studied
00:51:13
it since my PhD." And he was so offended
00:51:16
he was like "You know what i'm not going
00:51:17
to go through with this."
00:51:19
And we lost him we meaning the American
00:51:22
taxpayer who supports all this if you
00:51:24
think of that example in all of the
00:51:26
different places where we have not been
00:51:29
hiring the right
00:51:30
people you get this slowdown in
00:51:33
innovation you get a slowdown in
00:51:35
research you get a slowdown in well
00:51:37
functioning organizations and
00:51:39
institutions and it's like a slow
00:51:41
malaise so how do you stop the rot you
00:51:45
have to stop it at the top and you have
00:51:47
to do something that is meaningful and
00:51:50
if it
00:51:51
requires us to at least
00:51:55
threaten Harvard and by the way look
00:51:57
let's be honest it's called Harvard
00:51:58
Corporation for a reason right it's run
00:52:01
like a corporation it is an asset
00:52:03
manager that may happen to have some
00:52:05
educational things that they do on the
00:52:06
side which increasingly are not what we
00:52:10
need it to do and more
00:52:11
importantly it doesn't set the vanguard
00:52:14
for how everybody wants to copy and
00:52:16
everybody used to want to copy Harvard
00:52:18
and now what they're copying are not the
00:52:19
things that help us so we have to find a
00:52:22
way of waking them up and saying guys
00:52:24
you have a responsibility for
00:52:27
America and I maybe this is what it
00:52:30
takes and I and I hope they take the
00:52:31
medicine and listen well the Coulson
00:52:33
brothers told us on a previous episode
00:52:34
they were just funding researchers and
00:52:36
letting them pick their own research to
00:52:37
a certain extent tim how would you play
00:52:40
up your Indianness with Jerome Powell
00:52:44
i asked him is the best thing I've heard
00:52:47
all week i I've I've asked him he was
00:52:50
told to play up his Indianness and he
00:52:52
was like "Well what does that mean my
00:52:53
Indianness?" And they were like "Well
00:52:55
you know talk about your love of Indian
00:52:57
dance and Indian food." And he was like
00:52:59
"Are you are you are you kidding me like
00:53:02
is is this a serious conversation?"
00:53:04
Jerome Powell sitting there and go "We
00:53:05
were on the fence about you but you
00:53:08
showed up with this uh butter chicken
00:53:11
the chicken mochney i was going to bring
00:53:13
it up he came in here with Sag Paneer
00:53:15
and he was like a sitar he starts
00:53:18
playing the sitar in
00:53:19
the chai masala who's that guy showing
00:53:23
up at a rick show it's the chairman of
00:53:25
the mortgage market it's absolutely
00:53:28
worked out hey Tim if you were in charge
00:53:29
of this because we do have some ends
00:53:31
with the administration maybe you should
00:53:33
be directing some of this research what
00:53:34
would you If I wanted to study anything
00:53:36
at Harvard it would be Breijgit
00:53:37
Mcronone's gender but I think we do have
00:53:40
to focus on disease to an extent but
00:53:44
here's here's what I would say to add to
00:53:46
that conversation i would say that like
00:53:48
these schools exist for a multitude of
00:53:50
reasons but one of them is to create a
00:53:52
consensus among you know the wealthiest
00:53:54
and obviously people that are expected
00:53:57
to be the most powerful in society and
00:53:59
to create a consensus about the values
00:54:02
that are important to America at any
00:54:03
given time and I think the question
00:54:06
should be why are these values so
00:54:10
important and to whom i don't think that
00:54:13
this is altruism and it's about helping
00:54:17
uh the working class or helping
00:54:18
minorities or helping people get more
00:54:21
economic justice it actually seems to me
00:54:24
quite a transparent attempt for certain
00:54:27
people to keep positions of power and
00:54:30
certain structures to stay in place
00:54:33
while offering people this idea that
00:54:36
there's a lot of change because there's
00:54:38
a few
00:54:40
ceremonial optical choices made where
00:54:43
we're putting in a a female CEO of color
00:54:47
or someone who's Indian but the internal
00:54:49
structure stays the same and if you just
00:54:52
look at a school like Harvard you go "Oh
00:54:54
they're yes socialist in some respects
00:54:57
but in some respects
00:54:59
actually you know if you challenge the
00:55:01
Ukraine war if you challenge aspects of
00:55:04
the American Empire if you challenge
00:55:06
certain look at all the wars all of our
00:55:09
wars are being sold with social justice
00:55:12
a lot of our wars are being sold because
00:55:15
you know if we don't see a national
00:55:17
security interest in it we're told that
00:55:19
well people in that country are are not
00:55:22
being treated well that country has uh
00:55:24
values that we don't have in the West
00:55:26
and that may be true but in many cases
00:55:29
it's it's not worth going to war over
00:55:30
and most Americans would say that so who
00:55:33
exactly is benefiting from these
00:55:36
programs and these values being
00:55:40
instituted it isn't lowincome people in
00:55:43
the inner city it isn't it seems to be
00:55:47
kind of a lot of it's the opposite of
00:55:52
inclusion instead of It's the opposite
00:55:54
of inclusion it's the opposite of
00:55:55
inclusion what has happened the
00:55:56
establishment trying to preserve itself
00:56:00
by shutting out certain ideas and
00:56:03
certain people and you know giving very
00:56:06
ceremonial nods to you know play up your
00:56:09
Indianness play up this play up that but
00:56:12
you know it's like when you CIA goes and
00:56:14
you she goes uh I'm the first female
00:56:17
drone pilot and a lot of Americans are
00:56:19
going what exactly is our national
00:56:22
security interest in a drone strike in
00:56:24
whatever country and do we need to be
00:56:26
doing this and should the money be
00:56:27
better spent somewhere else but instead
00:56:29
of having that conversation it's always
00:56:32
ends up being hijacked so this DEI to me
00:56:35
just seems like a way for a lot of the
00:56:38
same establishment people to keep their
00:56:40
power and influence by offering these
00:56:43
very optical
00:56:45
uh advancements to people that may you
00:56:49
know pay lip service to certain ideas
00:56:51
but when it comes down to it they're
00:56:53
very loyal to the same power factions
00:56:57
that you know have always kind of driven
00:57:00
the narrative in our country completely
00:57:02
agree what happened during comedy to you
00:57:04
Tim and and and your cohort during that
00:57:08
like peak DEI peak cancellation it felt
00:57:11
like the Overton window was closing
00:57:13
pretty harshly on you guys there was a
00:57:14
lot of attempted cancellations of
00:57:16
comedians people trying to secretly
00:57:18
record you you got those yonder what I
00:57:20
don't know what those are called those
00:57:21
bags that you put you put the phones in
00:57:24
what was that told by countless
00:57:27
executives to play up my Indianness and
00:57:29
I tried but it was just in bad taste yes
00:57:34
it was in terrible taste when I came in
00:57:35
and I tried to be Indian and and it it
00:57:38
just wasn't good no I think here's what
00:57:40
it was i started you know you having
00:57:43
more of a career in let's say 2016 2017
00:57:45
2018 and then we were kind of on this
00:57:47
path where you'd go have a meeting in in
00:57:48
Los Angeles with people about doing a
00:57:50
show or whatever and they would start
00:57:52
all of these words and verbiage would
00:57:53
creep in and they go "We're really
00:57:54
interested in marginalized voices
00:57:57
elevating voices that haven't been heard
00:57:59
were interested in empowering and these
00:58:03
are LA executives they're monsters they
00:58:06
care nothing about anything and that's
00:58:08
why they're good at their job right the
00:58:10
only reason you can be good at your job
00:58:11
as an executive in the entertainment
00:58:13
business is to really not look at human
00:58:16
beings as humans you have to look at
00:58:17
them
00:58:19
as what you do manipulate pawns on the
00:58:22
chessboard it's what it is you know what
00:58:24
I mean if I called my agent today and
00:58:26
said "I'm really tired doing everything
00:58:28
I'm doing." He'd say "Have you tried
00:58:29
drugs?" Like they Right this would be a
00:58:32
I was wondering about that because you
00:58:34
have such high energy i don't know why
00:58:36
you're not embracing the cocaine i don't
00:58:38
need it i don't need it yet but if I do
00:58:40
and by the way if I do they'll provide
00:58:41
it to me here's the deal the way that
00:58:44
town works is you have a bunch of people
00:58:46
that believe in nothing and they can't
00:58:48
they can't and be effective they have to
00:58:50
go whichever way the wind is blowing so
00:58:52
when you have these people pulling up in
00:58:54
Porsches with their houses in Malibu and
00:58:57
they're coming and they then have a
00:59:00
sudden interest in empowering people
00:59:03
these people were throwing women off
00:59:06
into the Santa Monica Canyon for years
00:59:08
so it was this weird time where you had
00:59:11
the worst people in the world trying to
00:59:14
convince you that they had an interest
00:59:15
in marginalized voices because they
00:59:17
thought there was money there well guess
00:59:19
what turns out Americans don't really
00:59:21
like to be patronized and they they were
00:59:24
never making TV that minorities wanted
00:59:26
to watch they were making TV that guilty
00:59:29
white liberals wanted to watch and it
00:59:31
didn't make any money nobody really
00:59:33
liked it a lot of it kind of faded away
00:59:36
and as soon as it stopped being
00:59:39
profitable all the executives in
00:59:41
Hollywood that supposedly cared so much
00:59:44
about the marginalized voices
00:59:46
rediscovered the profit motive they
00:59:49
rediscovered the idea that they had to
00:59:51
make entertaining stuff they
00:59:53
rediscovered viewership they
00:59:54
rediscovered numbers they they
00:59:56
rediscovered all these business
00:59:58
fundamentals that they had ignored
01:00:00
because they thought there was going to
01:00:02
be a pot of gold at the end of all this
01:00:06
elevating and empowering but there
01:00:07
wasn't because it was rejected largely
01:00:10
by people they didn't want to watch it
01:00:12
they were cancelling all of you guys
01:00:15
they were cancelling uh well they were
01:00:18
trying they were trying they were tried
01:00:21
didn't work because people at the end of
01:00:23
the day realize that people are flawed
01:00:26
fallible and human and that's what makes
01:00:28
them entertaining you don't want a
01:00:29
perfect person doing anything because
01:00:32
that person is not going to be terribly
01:00:34
interesting you want someone who has
01:00:36
flaws and has problems obviously within
01:00:38
reason you know so I think that Tim can
01:00:40
I ask you a question let's say let's say
01:00:42
that you are I support Harvey Weinstein
01:00:44
go on i'm sorry i didn't know if that
01:00:46
was No let's say that Let's say that you
01:00:48
were in charge of education in America
01:00:51
yes okay what would you do where would
01:00:54
you start what would you if I was in
01:00:56
charge of education in America number
01:00:58
one I would I would try
01:01:02
to assert the idea
01:01:07
that higher education itself needs to be
01:01:10
for a purpose and that there needs to be
01:01:13
more of a purpose driven from middle
01:01:16
school through high school we need to
01:01:18
start getting kids to think rationally
01:01:21
about their skill set and their ability
01:01:24
and I don't think it's a good idea for
01:01:26
these kids to take out hundreds of
01:01:28
thousands of dollars worth of loans to
01:01:31
you know go away for four years not have
01:01:34
a solid plan and not execute and then
01:01:38
graduate mired in debt without really a
01:01:42
pathway to paying any of it back and
01:01:45
spending their 20s and maybe a good part
01:01:46
of their 30s incapable of owning a home
01:01:49
uh incapable of owning anything with no
01:01:51
real investments so I think this idea
01:01:53
that like you should follow your dream
01:01:55
which is this toxic American idea that I
01:01:59
don't subscribe to i think people have
01:02:00
natures they have skill sets and they
01:02:02
actually have to do something within the
01:02:04
realm of that and it requires being
01:02:06
honest with children which no one wants
01:02:07
to do um and I would try to re-engineer
01:02:11
education to be a more practical place
01:02:14
where you you would apply some of the
01:02:16
skills that you actually had and I'm not
01:02:18
saying people shouldn't be able to
01:02:19
experiment or have freedom but I do
01:02:22
think that we've told a lie to people
01:02:24
which is that they can be anything they
01:02:25
want to be and do anything they want to
01:02:27
do and and by the way and here's a bunch
01:02:29
of loans to do it here's hundreds of
01:02:32
thousands of dollars worth of debt so
01:02:34
now you can go into debt without any
01:02:37
plan or any logical sense of what you
01:02:40
want to do i think we should start
01:02:41
putting people into a more realistic
01:02:44
mindset in high school about what needs
01:02:48
to happen otherwise they're taken
01:02:50
advantage of and abused by these systems
01:02:53
of higher education where they graduate
01:02:56
mired in debt and without any type of
01:02:59
standing in society oh my god i want to
01:03:01
I want to add Jamas go ahead Freber and
01:03:03
then I got a breaking news story go I
01:03:05
want to just address this because I
01:03:07
think it's there's a moment
01:03:09
here that I think will
01:03:12
define a very different future for
01:03:16
education which is kind of a movement
01:03:20
away from the current model of a school
01:03:22
ai is such a profound tool the ability
01:03:25
for AI to get to know your personality
01:03:28
and just like teach my kids the way they
01:03:30
want to be taught through conversation
01:03:32
through engagement through dialogue
01:03:35
knowing that some kids want to ask
01:03:36
questions and some kids want to just be
01:03:38
told stuff some kids work at one pace
01:03:40
other kids work at another pace and I
01:03:42
know this idea of personalized education
01:03:43
using computing has been around now for
01:03:46
decades but we really are in this moment
01:03:48
where the idea of spending you know your
01:03:52
first 18 years of life in a classroom
01:03:54
where you're being told stuff that is
01:03:55
quote the truth versus learning how to
01:03:57
engage with the world ask questions
01:04:00
explore your world find and identify
01:04:02
things that are interesting to you have
01:04:04
it delivered to you in a very
01:04:05
personalized meaningful rich way that
01:04:07
also makes you excited about certain
01:04:09
things and helps usher you on to the
01:04:11
next phase of your life of what do you
01:04:12
want to do with this and get kids out of
01:04:14
this idea that you've got to go get the
01:04:15
degree in order to get the job and then
01:04:17
I think that the workplace will adjust
01:04:19
to that i I forgot who it is whether it
01:04:21
was Palunteer or someone just started
01:04:24
doing they just um a program where
01:04:26
they're like "Skip college come come and
01:04:28
do your basically your apprenticeship
01:04:30
here so instead of going to college
01:04:32
you'll you'll you paid you'll continue
01:04:34
your education here,000 you'll work on
01:04:36
projects you'll make money and you'll
01:04:38
continue to have your development be
01:04:39
done while you're learning a valuable
01:04:41
skill." So I do think like as AI kind of
01:04:44
takes over education I do expect that
01:04:46
the workplace will change Tim and we
01:04:49
will start to see more of this
01:04:50
integration between education and
01:04:51
workplace enabled by this AIdriven kind
01:04:54
of you know development system which is
01:04:56
which is going to be radically different
01:04:58
than what we have today you with this AI
01:04:59
Tim you like comedians do they get with
01:05:03
it no i'm a little skeptical of the tech
01:05:05
people I talk about on my show of course
01:05:07
not you guys but the other ones
01:05:10
you know you guys seem you know I I
01:05:12
think it's great palunteer goes skip
01:05:13
college come get involved in advanced
01:05:15
weapons technology sure go right i think
01:05:19
that's a phenomenal idea actually it's
01:05:20
like go to college come be a drone here
01:05:23
at Palader absolutely but uh I like
01:05:27
using my brain at the moment but if it
01:05:30
starts to fail I imagine it will i will
01:05:32
I will use AI i know people that do use
01:05:33
AI my producer might use AI i don't know
01:05:35
he probably won't tell me but I do think
01:05:38
that listen have you used it to learn
01:05:40
tim have you used it have you ever done
01:05:41
any of the chat apps where you can talk
01:05:43
to it and like hey you want to learn or
01:05:45
get smart on something or get caught up
01:05:46
on something you can literally just ask
01:05:48
questions and have a conversation with
01:05:49
We've done it listen we've done We did
01:05:51
it on the show we had an AI bot do a
01:05:53
deliver rant in the style of me it got
01:05:56
pretty close not good enough yet but it
01:05:59
was pretty close and pretty interesting
01:06:02
to
01:06:03
see how advanced it is right now and
01:06:06
then how advanced it's going to be you
01:06:08
know I worry a little bit about what
01:06:11
you're going to do with all of these
01:06:13
people once AI starts taking a lot of
01:06:16
these jobs
01:06:19
the cashiers the the the Uber drivers
01:06:23
Door Dashers all these jobs five years
01:06:26
ago I was a tour guide on a double not
01:06:28
five years ago but seven or eight years
01:06:29
ago I was a tour guide on a
01:06:30
double-decker bus in New York City while
01:06:33
I was learning how to be a comedian and
01:06:35
I was showing people the Empire State
01:06:37
Building and like all the 911 memorial
01:06:40
whatever and these are the types of jobs
01:06:43
I was making $13 an hour and I was
01:06:46
obviously you know it wasn't well paid
01:06:48
it wasn't an amazing job but it offered
01:06:50
me the freedom to get good at something
01:06:51
else but I was taking a lot of risk to
01:06:53
do it and I tolerated that level of risk
01:06:55
because I believed what I was doing was
01:06:57
the right thing the right course of
01:06:58
action but it's jobs like that that
01:07:01
allow some of the most interesting
01:07:04
uh you know like weird lives that people
01:07:08
should be able to live if they want to i
01:07:13
don't think everybody may want or need
01:07:17
to have a full-time job there are people
01:07:19
that have retired and go I'd like to be
01:07:22
a tour guide or I'd like to work at a at
01:07:25
a museum a few days a week did you find
01:07:27
your your standup was being on the
01:07:29
double-decker bus you know were you able
01:07:31
to put oneliners in there i was able to
01:07:33
do all kinds of stuff like that so to me
01:07:35
it's like those jobs right yes some of
01:07:37
those I don't think the entire economy
01:07:39
should be the gig economy but I do think
01:07:42
some of those jobs that are going to be
01:07:43
eliminated by AI are the jobs that allow
01:07:45
people to get good at other things while
01:07:47
they're doing them so people that are in
01:07:50
entertainment and music and stuff like
01:07:52
that we want them to be able to support
01:07:53
themselves while they enrich us
01:07:55
culturally and other ways a crazy
01:07:58
breaking news story right now um sorry
01:08:00
Sax I didn't mean to have this blindside
01:08:02
you here but uh and I know you know
01:08:04
you're with the administration you don't
01:08:05
speak for the administration necessarily
01:08:06
on this issue but uh looks like the
01:08:08
Federal Reserve has a new chairman it's
01:08:10
just breaking news here so racist it
01:08:13
says hot off the word trump is named
01:08:15
Shimath as to the Federal Reserve i
01:08:17
think all these fundraisers worked out
01:08:18
for you but uh there is a note they
01:08:20
asked Chamath to be more Sri Lankan so
01:08:22
if you can to the extent you could be
01:08:24
more Sri
01:08:25
Lankan President is Chimath Sri Lankan
01:08:28
is he really Sri Lankan i have I have
01:08:30
but that's literally Shiron i mean I
01:08:33
read a great book about the Tamil Tigers
01:08:35
many years ago do you remember them yes
01:08:37
they they invented suicide bombing they
01:08:39
did listen be proud be proud of stuff
01:08:42
even if it's saying Tim that the great
01:08:45
export of Sri Lanka was suicide vests
01:08:48
i'm saying be proud of stuff
01:08:51
that was the ethnic minority that was
01:08:53
fighting for a homeland i was part of
01:08:55
the ethnic majority you were you were
01:08:58
the one trying to avoid the suicide
01:08:59
necess no my dad was the one that spoke
01:09:01
out against the war that's why we we had
01:09:03
to scadaddle and claim refuge potato
01:09:06
potato i support both i'm the only
01:09:09
person with the moral courage to say I
01:09:10
support Israel and Hamas and Russia and
01:09:13
Ukraine you can just want to see a good
01:09:15
game you can want to see a good game you
01:09:18
don't have to take over time if there's
01:09:20
a lee change you like a lead change i it
01:09:23
really depends in Beverly Hills who I'm
01:09:24
having lunch with and and and what type
01:09:27
of uh Middle Eastern they are because I
01:09:29
can go either way on that and I think
01:09:31
it's important you don't want to be too
01:09:33
rigid in this economy you need to be
01:09:35
able to move into things and I will read
01:09:38
the audience i see both sides i've read
01:09:41
the Israel stuff and the Palestine stuff
01:09:43
they're both right so guess what that's
01:09:46
right so at the end of the day what's
01:09:48
right for Timmy's career is an approach
01:09:50
you could take what's right for me
01:09:51
what's the easiest lunch what's the
01:09:53
easiest afternoon for me what you know
01:09:56
that's the least resistance that's the
01:09:59
move for me always all the time you know
01:10:02
right so you know absolutely absolutely
01:10:05
i don't did what Putin did was it right
01:10:07
no but do I like the idea of the
01:10:09
oligarch the furs the boats the kind of
01:10:12
lifestyle yes the kind of tra Yes that
01:10:16
to me has always spoken to me somebody
01:10:19
said to me once "I'm you're you're
01:10:20
spiritually Russian." So I think I I
01:10:22
have that in me so I just can't ignore
01:10:24
it so where how would you rank your
01:10:26
dictators are you are you It sounds like
01:10:28
you're a Putin guy or you has a lot of
01:10:31
class whether you like him or not he has
01:10:32
a lot of class and number one people do
01:10:35
fall out of windows in London it does
01:10:37
happen actually so it's it's not always
01:10:40
you know what I mean it's like sometimes
01:10:42
somebody does take a spill and it's not
01:10:45
always him um I like him i I like uh Kim
01:10:50
i think it's Jong-un in North Korea i
01:10:52
like him he has style as well don't
01:10:54
forget Zinski
01:10:58
sinsky i don't know he's kind of new he
01:11:01
just extended military but can you
01:11:04
imagine not bring up Ukraine
01:11:07
so be careful he just extended martial
01:11:09
law there's no I like By the way I like
01:11:11
Sachs on this and I think when Nay told
01:11:13
Putin that a comedian was now the
01:11:15
president of the Ukraine Putin probably
01:11:17
said "Listen are they serious are they
01:11:20
are they even trying anymore?" He goes
01:11:23
"Is the CIA even trying anymore are you
01:11:25
serious wait the guy who played the
01:11:29
president in a TV show is now the actual
01:11:33
president." Yes and Putin's getting this
01:11:35
information sitting there in his palace
01:11:37
like I mean so I mean listen all wars
01:11:41
tragedy it's all terrible and bad but
01:11:44
you know we also I think David's done a
01:11:45
phenomenal job by the way of looking at
01:11:47
how you get to certain places
01:11:50
absolutely yeah yeah yeah and and I
01:11:52
think the the do a lot of private shows
01:11:55
yeah you do a lot of private shows Tim
01:11:57
the the private shows with the dictators
01:11:58
the death bots the monarchies they pay
01:12:01
what three to one four to one they want
01:12:03
to laugh these people they want to laugh
01:12:06
uh you know I mean it's Duterte likes to
01:12:09
laugh go and you know these people want
01:12:12
to laugh and I'm not here NBS wants to
01:12:16
laugh i'm not here to pass judgment on
01:12:18
the audience i'm here to bring Well it's
01:12:22
actually funny i did like one private
01:12:23
gig i don't get booked on a lot of
01:12:24
private gigs but I got one big Bitcoin
01:12:26
guy in Romania had me go to his birthday
01:12:27
party and it was just this older
01:12:29
oligarch type guy and they all spoke
01:12:31
Romanian and it was very hard and they
01:12:33
paid me $100,000 to do 20 minutes and
01:12:35
they didn't really understand anything
01:12:37
and then one guy just stood up and I
01:12:39
guess he recognized me he started
01:12:40
yelling
01:12:41
Joe and then sat down so I am open to
01:12:45
I'm open to performing for anyone really
01:12:47
truly can anyone I mean I you could just
01:12:50
Kim Jong-un just send it hey is the
01:12:53
money is the money green over there the
01:12:56
money's not clean but that's got to be
01:12:58
that dangerous i mean all I hear now
01:13:00
every day is Iran's coming to kill
01:13:01
everyone is that true i don't know i I
01:13:03
I'm okay are they invading is Iran
01:13:05
landing building nukes maybe want to
01:13:08
wipe out one or two countries a little
01:13:09
genocide
01:13:11
wish fulfillment how far are they along
01:13:13
on those nukes we don't know 80% of them
01:13:16
you think 80% they're they're
01:13:18
perpetually at 80% we just keep knocking
01:13:20
out the last 20 i think the approach the
01:13:23
uh I just don't think we need on the
01:13:25
ground there i don't think we need to do
01:13:27
this again the two of you are the living
01:13:29
embodiment of ADHD yes well should we
01:13:32
speaking of ADHD do we want to go ADHD
01:13:34
or science tim Jal falls for every
01:13:36
pro-war narrative there is he's like
01:13:38
he's like I'm against war but then he
01:13:40
falls for every single narrative they
01:13:42
Absolutely absolutely and what a great
01:13:44
job you guys have done ending the war in
01:13:46
the on day one of your administration
01:13:48
congratulations at least he's trying to
01:13:51
actually accomplish something can I
01:13:52
actually defend the administration we've
01:13:54
actually ended it spiritually we've
01:13:55
ended it spiritually we have we no
01:13:58
longer believe in it it we we're it's
01:14:00
actually happening in the physical world
01:14:01
but actually spiritually the war is over
01:14:04
yes so you're manifesting the end of the
01:14:06
war well it's over for me the Ukraine
01:14:09
war is fully over for me god Zilinski
01:14:11
refuses to make a deal you saw what
01:14:13
happened at the White House i mean if
01:14:14
only we had a dealmaker to help with
01:14:16
this you know Jason you know how you
01:14:18
would know this for sure cuz I I my
01:14:20
intuition tells me that what Tim just
01:14:22
said is totally right is the number of
01:14:24
Ukraine flags that were taken off of
01:14:26
profile photos absolutely with the
01:14:29
pronouns it's No even though it's a joke
01:14:30
I am being very dead serious the idea of
01:14:33
it has ended it is now just about a a
01:14:37
border negotiation it is no longer a you
01:14:41
know to toemic struggle for freedom or
01:14:44
whatever they you know that you know it
01:14:46
was it was being sold to us as totally
01:14:49
agree hey Jal still believes that uh you
01:14:52
can speak for yourself i believe I
01:14:56
believe the free countries just to be
01:14:57
clear the free countries should stop the
01:15:00
non-free countries from invading them
01:15:02
that's it it's a pretty simple
01:15:03
philosophy freeberg what's in science
01:15:05
Tim every Tim at the end of the show we
01:15:07
like to do a little science vice
01:15:09
documentaries about the Ukraine being
01:15:11
the most corrupt country in Europe and
01:15:12
like a white supremacist country and all
01:15:14
these what happened all those vice
01:15:16
documentaries about that they seem to
01:15:18
disappoint
01:15:20
disappear very quickly when Ukraine
01:15:22
became a bastion of freedom and love and
01:15:25
opportunity and equality now you're
01:15:28
speaking Sax's language oh look at that
01:15:29
smile on Sax's face well Nick just put
01:15:31
this on the screen i mean this just
01:15:33
happened yesterday oh god but now we've
01:15:35
started the Ukraine
01:15:37
vortex martial law till August here we
01:15:40
go
01:15:42
yeah no big deal they cancel elections
01:15:44
they cancel freedom of the press they
01:15:45
cancel freedom of religion zinsk's
01:15:48
political opponents their assets been
01:15:49
seized they've been in prison no big
01:15:51
deal just like you his favorite dictator
01:15:53
is Putin as well hey Dave Freeber who's
01:15:56
the first leader after 9/11 to call the
01:15:58
United States and express sympathy i
01:16:01
believe it was Vladimir Putin and how
01:16:03
many times has Vladimir Putin threatened
01:16:06
American interests over the last 20 odd
01:16:10
years like has Vladimir Putin has Russia
01:16:13
been an existential threat to America
01:16:15
have they disrupted huge amounts of our
01:16:18
trade have they I it seems to me very he
01:16:22
wanted to be in NATO he wanted to be our
01:16:24
ally we were But you know what the best
01:16:26
quality of of Putin is we're not funding
01:16:29
him he's not asking for American money
01:16:31
the rest of these dictators we keep
01:16:32
funding he's not asking for a dollar i
01:16:35
also like that he's well read it's well
01:16:37
run
01:16:39
but he's not he's not coming to the
01:16:40
White House begging he's not coming to
01:16:42
the White House every 3 months begging
01:16:43
for more hundreds of billions into a lot
01:16:46
of any criticism of the Ukraine war
01:16:49
means that you love Putin and want to
01:16:50
live in Russia and think Russia is great
01:16:51
it's a very weird man sense of good and
01:16:54
evil that was instituted by George W
01:16:56
bush right after 9/11 when he said
01:16:58
"You're with us or against us." And with
01:17:00
us means we're going to democratize the
01:17:02
Middle East which I fell for cuz I was
01:17:04
you know 17 and on cocaine but in
01:17:07
hindsight it didn't work tremendously
01:17:09
well and I just it's always very skep
01:17:12
I'm very skeptical of these narratives
01:17:13
where they say "So if you find any fault
01:17:15
at all in what you're do in what we're
01:17:17
doing you're giving a you're aiding and
01:17:19
abetting uh a dictator." It makes no
01:17:22
sense to me speaking of the 90s and
01:17:25
cocaine Freedberg what's inside you'll
01:17:26
notice he's moving on Tim he doesn't
01:17:28
know how to respond to that no no
01:17:29
freeberg is really upset the last couple
01:17:31
of weeks that he got preempted i'm
01:17:32
trying to do right by Freeberg and the
01:17:35
Freedberg stands who are just absolutely
01:17:37
mental now that we haven't talked about
01:17:39
his incredible victory on Jeopardy and
01:17:41
we haven't gone to Science Corner in a
01:17:42
couple weeks congrats Tim if you were
01:17:44
ever uh you you What game show do you
01:17:46
want to be on Tim you must none of them
01:17:48
none of them all the money on celebrity
01:17:50
want to host Tim no game shows you
01:17:53
wouldn't host a game show you must have
01:17:54
been offered no never they I don't think
01:17:57
I'm what they want for the game show
01:17:59
that's a money printing machine you
01:18:01
could get in a game show Family Feud or
01:18:02
something we'll do it all It all goes to
01:18:05
charity was it Freeberg was it hard
01:18:09
yeah it Well I shot the quarterfinal and
01:18:12
semi-final in the same afternoon so I
01:18:14
didn't have any you know you go away for
01:18:16
lunch and you come back for the
01:18:17
semi-finals
01:18:19
and I did not know how to use that
01:18:20
buzzer and everyone else I think had
01:18:23
practiced or figured that stuff out so
01:18:25
it was pretty difficult and then my
01:18:26
brain was just like blank on some of
01:18:29
these moments i You're just up there
01:18:31
there's this intensity you're in this
01:18:33
game show and it's like I know the
01:18:35
answer why is it not coming out of my
01:18:37
mouth or why did I say that thing that I
01:18:39
know is wrong that just came out of my
01:18:40
mouth it's a little bit kind of scary
01:18:42
how much you play let's show Let's show
01:18:44
the clip here and then we'll go on to
01:18:45
science corner watch this clip watch
01:18:47
this final Jeopardy i'm in last place so
01:18:49
I I was behind the entire game i was
01:18:51
basically in last place the whole game
01:18:52
playing catchup short buzz in in time
01:18:55
yeah it all comes down to this final
01:18:57
Jeopardy in a very close game festivals
01:19:00
is the category here's the clue players
01:19:03
Freedber called the premier movie
01:19:05
industry event for the Balkans this
01:19:07
festival began 30 years ago while the
01:19:10
city was under siege we'll begin on the
01:19:12
end with Dave Freriededberg who had
01:19:14
$8,700 and it looks like he changed his
01:19:16
answer at the last minute what happened
01:19:17
here he wrote down something and crossed
01:19:20
it out and wrote Sarah Yeeo Film
01:19:22
Festival we can read Sarah Yeeo and
01:19:24
that's the important part right we're
01:19:25
going to give you credit you measured
01:19:30
8,697 and now you have
01:19:33
17,397 you're ahead of Mina at the
01:19:35
moment with 17,000 what did she put down
01:19:38
i did my math wrong oh my god she wrote
01:19:40
down can and she waged what a,000 that
01:19:44
drops her down to 16,000 math wrong so
01:19:47
it comes down to Shan Gun who had 22,000
01:19:49
did he know it was Sievo Film Festival
01:19:52
he said Bosnia right country wrong city
01:19:55
what did you wager 12,01
01:19:59
9,999 and from place Dave Freeberg comes
01:20:02
what did he do celebrity Jeopardy can I
01:20:04
ask a question and this is a very this
01:20:06
is a this is a serious question and and
01:20:09
this is is not disrespectful why do they
01:20:11
call this celebrity Jeopardy you're
01:20:13
correct
01:20:17
i could not identify one of those people
01:20:20
with a gun to my head i don't know there
01:20:22
were 27 i didn't know any of them i felt
01:20:25
I felt in place yeah i felt like I I
01:20:28
mean I think the guy in the other two
01:20:30
people Well James Gun's brother who was
01:20:32
in um he played like the 17th guy in
01:20:35
Guardians of the Galaxy right what's
01:20:38
happening that's I mean if you're going
01:20:40
to Marvel Universes characters don't
01:20:42
have speaking roles pull them up for a
01:20:44
second he has non-speaking role in a
01:20:47
Marvel movie there's 1,400 Marvel movies
01:20:50
and this guy hasn't spoken in one come
01:20:51
on stop him that's But who who is who is
01:20:56
the other lady
01:20:58
i think she's Who's that i I mean she's
01:21:01
on she's on um she's she's on ESPN a
01:21:05
researcher on ESPN what and she does
01:21:07
fencing right she's the fencing person
01:21:09
from ESPN oh she I think she covers
01:21:12
football on ESPN football or
01:21:15
foosball right you was this actually
01:21:18
celebrity Jeopardy or is this just like
01:21:21
Jeopardy just call it Jeopardy just call
01:21:24
it Jeopardy it could be Jeopardy easy
01:21:26
Jeopardy call it Jeopardy just call it
01:21:29
hey we're doing this thing now they
01:21:31
should do a comedian that would crush
01:21:33
okay the finals are next Wednesday at
01:21:35
9:00 p.m have you actually done the
01:21:36
episode or the finals when is the final
01:21:39
episode how do we make money off this
01:21:41
how do we front run this oh he's done it
01:21:43
already so you know the winner what why
01:21:45
don't we do a poly market for this and
01:21:46
we could all cash in and get off this
01:21:48
show we could all just cash in and
01:21:50
[Music]
01:21:52
this somebody can shoot this dollar
01:21:55
there is a there is a dollar number jl
01:21:57
there is a dollar are people watching 10
01:22:00
time 30 million 10 time 40 million
01:22:05
25 actually Tim Tim's asking but do the
01:22:08
ratings go up or down for Celebrity
01:22:10
Jeopardy
01:22:11
down certainly down they used to be good
01:22:14
so I think I think regular J well they
01:22:16
do it at 900 PM on Wednesday nights okay
01:22:18
so it's not even during it's not during
01:22:21
a celebrity to go on this if a celebrity
01:22:23
goes on this and they're known for being
01:22:24
smart if George Clooney goes on right
01:22:26
exactly i realized this when I got there
01:22:27
i'm like "Wait a second there's no
01:22:29
upside in me doing this i'm going to
01:22:30
look like an idiot." And I answered all
01:22:31
these stupid questions wrong and I look
01:22:33
like a [ __ ] i'm like "Why did I do that
01:22:35
that was not No it's a it's a stupid
01:22:37
show that should go away
01:22:40
jeopardy should go away agreed agree no
01:22:43
I mean it's like this idea that like all
01:22:45
these people that nobody knows the hell
01:22:47
they are it just it you know the it just
01:22:51
people at home are going who the hell
01:22:52
what the is this
01:22:55
the lady from ESPN says con like she
01:22:57
thinks it's in France
01:22:59
like this is just making people mad that
01:23:02
go hey man I got nothing going on and
01:23:04
these people are celebrities are idiots
01:23:06
i mean same continent she hit the same
01:23:08
continent it's just filling people with
01:23:10
rage looking at these people that aren't
01:23:12
even celebrities and on top of that are
01:23:14
morons i mean you have an obligation to
01:23:17
either be a celebrity it did say the It
01:23:20
did say the Balkans
01:23:22
it did say the Balkans this is It's a
01:23:24
little rough i mean little brutal hey um
01:23:28
say save the show Dave please give us a
01:23:30
science okay I'll do I'll do a quick
01:23:32
science corner um and the name of the
01:23:34
game here Tylen just since your first
01:23:35
time on the show is somehow if you can
01:23:38
get around the horn and put in a Uranus
01:23:40
joke you'll just you'll just kill with
01:23:43
the audience i'm going to try to do that
01:23:44
my producer right now we're setting up a
01:23:46
company in Bhutan that's my whole thing
01:23:48
now oh you're going to be flipping H100
01:23:51
i just learned so much on the front half
01:23:53
of this show we're go It's a It's a
01:23:54
company in Bhutan give us the chips wink
01:23:57
wink they're not going to [ __ ] Beijing
01:24:00
at all wink my godson's dad they go in
01:24:02
the back they go through the front maybe
01:24:04
the side door there's a My godson truly
01:24:06
I swear to God they brought him to my
01:24:08
home when he was four months old because
01:24:09
they know I'm single and I have a little
01:24:10
bit of money not compared to you but
01:24:11
compared to these people and they said
01:24:13
"Would you He's Would you be his
01:24:15
godfather he's Chinese." "Absolutely." I
01:24:17
said "Highend let's go." Four years
01:24:19
later they tell me they go "He's
01:24:21
actually Filipino." I'm not even kidding
01:24:23
so this is why you can't trust anyone in
01:24:27
this country about anything even your
01:24:30
adoption your
01:24:32
Wow oh my god corrupt adoption you got a
01:24:35
full body okay let's do science corner
01:24:37
science corner mitochondria or Today is
01:24:40
mitochondria therapy day so every cell
01:24:43
in our body has mitochondria tim you
01:24:46
know that right and um yeah it's the
01:24:48
powerhouse of the cell powerhouse of the
01:24:49
cell exactly and it's a little organ
01:24:52
segment yeah you can drop off sex okay
01:24:55
see you guys later sax I'll see you in
01:24:57
Moscow okay yeah excellent i'll see you
01:25:01
at the film festival
01:25:06
you forgot to say what is the moon i'll
01:25:08
see you at the Moscow film festival yeah
01:25:10
I need to run to Sean Hannity show
01:25:12
unfortunately you got no unfortunately
01:25:15
don't say unfortunately you can leave
01:25:17
that in i like him absolutely he's
01:25:19
amazing yes i I I really enjoy you guys
01:25:21
thank you for having me on i really
01:25:23
learned this was amazing and I I'd love
01:25:26
I'd love to do it again i I appreciate
01:25:28
all of you i think you're I think you're
01:25:31
all great and whatever you're doing on a
01:25:33
side whatever you people eventually get
01:25:36
arrested for I support you just know
01:25:38
that I'm I'm a supporter of whatever
01:25:40
happens to podcast on the uh Yeah
01:25:43
whenever whenever it comes out that
01:25:45
there's a reason why you knew so much
01:25:46
about the Bhutan company it doesn't
01:25:49
matter to me it's not i'm a fan thank
01:25:52
you thank you guys thank you Tim Dylan
01:25:55
everybody watched Tim Dylan's special on
01:25:58
the Netflix hopefully he can he was
01:26:00
great finally Eclipse Love on the
01:26:03
Spectrum love on the Spectrum
01:26:06
definitely
01:26:09
i see you guys
01:26:11
okay free and then there were three you
01:26:14
know what now to do Science Corner as a
01:26:17
standalone show and we're going to
01:26:18
launch it do Science Corner with you you
01:26:20
do Tav's Corner with me i'm going to eat
01:26:22
lunch i love you guys what episode we're
01:26:25
doing science corner let's go i got it i
01:26:27
got your science corner i'm with you to
01:26:29
the end brother free bird it's me and
01:26:31
you buddy tell me about science corner
01:26:34
i'm interested you're interested we've
01:26:36
got no listeners we've got no audience
01:26:38
at this point i'm here for your segment
01:26:40
go ahead Dave a for the four of you and
01:26:42
Chimoth okay so mitochondria are the
01:26:46
powerhouse of the cell as Tim just told
01:26:48
us educated us right so every cell has
01:26:51
hundreds of mitochondria and
01:26:53
mitochondria are what are called
01:26:54
organels they have their own DNA in fact
01:26:58
evolutionarily mitochondria were
01:27:01
bacteria that basically ended up in the
01:27:03
symbiotic relationship with what became
01:27:06
our cells so we each have mitochondria
01:27:09
hundreds of them in each one of our
01:27:10
cells each mitochondria has its own
01:27:12
nucleus and has its own DNA and the
01:27:14
mitochondria make the energy that the
01:27:16
rest of the cell uses that energy is
01:27:18
called ATP and it eats up glucose or it
01:27:20
eats up ketones if you're in ketosis and
01:27:23
it uses that to make the ATP so every
01:27:25
cell in our body gets its energy which
01:27:27
is what it uses to function from the
01:27:30
mitochondria and so there's been a lot
01:27:32
of research into the relationship
01:27:34
between mitochondria and aging and that
01:27:36
dysfunctional mitochondria as they start
01:27:38
to break down and stop working and have
01:27:40
damage may actually be a key driver for
01:27:43
many diseases that we experience as
01:27:45
humans including many cancers
01:27:48
Alzheimer's Parkinson's ALS features of
01:27:51
autism muscle tissues being weak etc so
01:27:55
as the cells get older and the
01:27:57
mitochondria stop working we make new
01:27:58
mitochondria but over time the DNA
01:28:00
degrades and the mitochondria become
01:28:03
less effective and there are fewer
01:28:05
functional mitochondria per cell the
01:28:07
cell stops working right and eventually
01:28:09
the organism stops working right have
01:28:11
you have you learned anything about the
01:28:12
connection of creatine to mitochondrial
01:28:15
health it's part of um some of the
01:28:18
processes but there's some separate
01:28:20
research on this but it's definitely
01:28:21
worth spending time on people about
01:28:25
hitting five grams or 10 grams of cream
01:28:27
it's becoming like a trend yeah I think
01:28:29
it's Oh yeah i know five grams yeah
01:28:30
something like that it's trending on
01:28:31
Twitter i think it's kind of like a meme
01:28:33
or a joke in addition to being I don't I
01:28:35
don't think it's a joke is it Is it But
01:28:37
it does it is there any science that
01:28:39
backs that up or not really for
01:28:40
mitochondria um there are questions on
01:28:43
this like do you want to focus on things
01:28:45
that are increasing biogenesis which is
01:28:47
creation of new mitochondria does that
01:28:49
create a better benefit on the creatine
01:28:52
work i've read some of these papers i
01:28:54
actually tried it for a while i
01:28:57
personally had a allergy to it which is
01:29:00
kind of rare but happens but anyway we
01:29:03
can talk about it further so so one of
01:29:05
the key things was um there were three
01:29:07
papers that I wanted to just highlight
01:29:09
that kind of follow an interesting theme
01:29:11
the first one was from 2023 from WashU
01:29:14
in St le and this paper Nick if you
01:29:17
could just pull up that image
01:29:19
of mitochondria being transferred these
01:29:23
folks identified and demonstrated that
01:29:25
mitochondria can actually transfer from
01:29:27
one cell to another so if you've got a
01:29:30
cell that's got damaged or dysfunctional
01:29:32
mitochondria they've identified three
01:29:35
mechanisms by which mitochondria can
01:29:37
move into a cell that needs more
01:29:40
mitochondria that are working and are
01:29:42
more functional that's something that's
01:29:44
been theorized for a long time people
01:29:46
have said "Oh well we think mitochondria
01:29:47
transfer." But there wasn't really
01:29:49
evidence of this so as of two years ago
01:29:50
these guys provided very good evidence
01:29:53
of mitochondria that we can now put into
01:29:55
cells if it's floating around it can
01:29:57
make its way into another cell and as a
01:30:00
result it can rejuvenate or provide
01:30:02
energy to a dysfunctional cell which
01:30:04
might improve dysfunctional tissue or
01:30:06
improve disease the second paper was
01:30:10
done um last month out of Columbia
01:30:12
University and this was the first
01:30:14
mapping of the mitochondria in the human
01:30:16
brain and so these folks created 703
01:30:19
tiny cubes of brain from a person that
01:30:22
passed away a 54 year old donor and then
01:30:24
they analyzed the mitochondria in each
01:30:26
of those cubes and they used that to
01:30:27
make a map of mitochondria in the brain
01:30:29
and what it showed was that different
01:30:31
parts of the brain different cells had
01:30:34
different amounts of mitochondria and
01:30:35
different mitochondrial function which
01:30:37
actually starts to highlight how that
01:30:40
difference in energy production in
01:30:41
different cells in different parts of
01:30:42
the brain may actually cause some of the
01:30:44
things like memory loss or speech
01:30:46
impairment or um as we age the fact that
01:30:50
we end up being you know kind of
01:30:51
forgetful or start to lose some of our
01:30:53
capacity that the mitochondrial
01:30:55
dysfunction in the brain might actually
01:30:57
be the key driver of that aging um
01:31:00
symptomology the third paper which just
01:31:03
came out came out of a team at Sha Jang
01:31:06
University in China so what these guys
01:31:09
did which was really incredible is they
01:31:11
took stem cells so stem cells that they
01:31:13
got out of human blood and they took
01:31:15
those stem cells and they figured out a
01:31:17
way to treat the stem cells that those
01:31:19
stem cells would start to make an excess
01:31:22
amount of mitochondria than they
01:31:23
normally would make in fact they were
01:31:25
able to get those stem cells to make
01:31:28
854 times the number of mitochondria
01:31:31
that those cells would normally make and
01:31:34
those mitochondria were on average 5.7
01:31:37
times more efficient at making energy
01:31:39
ATP so they created highly energetic
01:31:42
mitochondria and they made a lot of them
01:31:45
and the idea that we can put
01:31:47
mitochondria into our body or into
01:31:49
tissue in our body to heal it or repair
01:31:51
it has been something that folks have
01:31:53
been trying to do research around for a
01:31:55
long time but the limiting factor is
01:31:57
access to enough mitochondria so this
01:32:00
mechanism that they developed where they
01:32:02
could take stem cells make copies of the
01:32:04
stem cells make lots of mitochondria and
01:32:06
then they isolate that mitochondria and
01:32:07
use it as a therapeutic tool and they
01:32:10
did it in cartilage that was damaged and
01:32:12
they were able to heal that cartilage so
01:32:14
um this is a group that does bone and
01:32:17
and tissue repair studies but they
01:32:19
applied the mitochondria directly into
01:32:22
the area where there was damage to the
01:32:23
bone and the bone grew back and it
01:32:25
actually improved the healing in an
01:32:27
incredible way so this this opens up the
01:32:29
door to this whole new therapeutic
01:32:31
modality a new type of therapy called
01:32:33
mootherapy or mitochondrial therapy that
01:32:36
based on the series of papers that we're
01:32:38
seeing coming out recently I believe
01:32:40
could end up becoming a really
01:32:42
incredible um new therapy that may
01:32:45
ultimately lead to the treatment for
01:32:47
many diseases that we're kind of dealing
01:32:48
with right now so I just wanted to kind
01:32:50
of this be uh immediately applicable to
01:32:53
say people with sports injuries you know
01:32:55
meniscus knees ankles you start to think
01:32:58
about those bones spurs chips that
01:33:00
basketball players football players go
01:33:02
through would that this be like the
01:33:04
lowhanging fruit for this technology
01:33:06
yeah i mean what they did this in and I
01:33:08
think this was published in a research
01:33:10
magazine called Bone or something bone
01:33:12
and tissue or something
01:33:13
but they did I'll let my subscription
01:33:15
lapse i got to thank for reminding me
01:33:17
they did it in a in a model a mouse
01:33:19
model of osteoarthritis um and it
01:33:21
repaired this osteoarthritis but that's
01:33:23
exactly right and so that's tissue where
01:33:25
you can using a microscope you can
01:33:26
actually see the healing happening but
01:33:28
you could see this being applied for
01:33:30
example uh to cerebral spinal fluid
01:33:32
where you can basically increase the
01:33:34
mitochondrial the energetic
01:33:35
mitochondrial production uh that finds
01:33:38
its way into maybe neuronal cells into
01:33:40
neurons in your brain and improves um uh
01:33:44
your brain function or you could put it
01:33:46
into damaged hearts after heart attacks
01:33:47
and improve heart function so there's
01:33:49
all these theories about how you could
01:33:51
use mootherapy as this becomes possible
01:33:53
to now produce lots of mitochondria and
01:33:56
use it as a therapy that can then be
01:33:58
applied to lots of diseases so I I I
01:34:00
think there's going to be a bit of a
01:34:01
blossoming of research in this area if
01:34:03
they could take this if they can get
01:34:05
this going in the next two years or so
01:34:07
they could get this and Biden could
01:34:08
actually uh compete with Trump for his
01:34:10
third term if they could get this to
01:34:11
Biden in time
01:34:13
i mean microphone on that's
01:34:16
exceptionally mean and I think that
01:34:18
that's Oh now all of a sudden you're
01:34:20
defending by the way did you guys see
01:34:21
did you guys see George Clooney uh what
01:34:24
do you guys think of his new haircut his
01:34:26
hair color i noticed he was He's dying
01:34:29
his hair he's He was gray and now he It
01:34:32
must be for an acting job because his
01:34:35
His hair I hadn't seen this this is
01:34:37
crazy he looks It looks like his face is
01:34:39
melting oh my god it looks like we did a
01:34:42
um I don't know like what do they call
01:34:43
that hair coloring for men like you put
01:34:45
it in the shower it looks very weird
01:34:46
well he just did an interview explaining
01:34:48
his whole oped on Biden but it's it's in
01:34:51
that clip where he looks very different
01:34:53
what did he say i thought he looked
01:34:55
really he said he felt compelled to act
01:34:57
and that it was a civic duty although
01:34:59
the dates don't match up but nobody ever
01:35:01
questioned him about that but he he
01:35:03
looks really good he did not get a call
01:35:04
from Salt and Pepper here you know salt
01:35:06
and pepper works 100% what is he doing
01:35:08
and Clooney is a very handsome guy but
01:35:10
in that in that interview he did I I
01:35:12
don't think he looked perfect did you
01:35:13
guys watch The White Lotus by the way
01:35:14
did you guys watch White Lotus what did
01:35:16
we think okay so I don't know what it
01:35:18
was but I had heard from a bunch of you
01:35:19
guys in the group chat that the show was
01:35:21
not good so Nat and I ignored it then we
01:35:24
started it we watched one episode
01:35:26
phenomenal oh you loved it well we're
01:35:28
one episode in but it was great and we
01:35:31
were like "This is really good." And
01:35:32
then you know I I don't think it's
01:35:34
terrible and uh the the kid uh
01:35:36
Schwarzenegger Patrick Schwarzenegger is
01:35:38
a fan of Allin apparently so Patrick
01:35:42
Schwarzenegger I can tell that that guy
01:35:44
has one of the most interesting
01:35:49
roles in that series i'm really looking
01:35:51
forward to him who else who else was
01:35:54
really We DM' the other day we're
01:35:55
following each other I saw and he uh he
01:35:58
said "Great pod." He DM'd me and said
01:36:00
"Great pod." And I said "Great job." And
01:36:02
then I mentioned you know Patrick
01:36:05
Schwarzenegger is your friend i Well I
01:36:07
guess it's like what does it mean like
01:36:08
micro celebrity DM friends i don't know
01:36:11
you could be on Celebrity Jeopardy Jacob
01:36:13
i could literally be on Celebrity
01:36:15
Jeopardy i think I think I would prefer
01:36:18
to do Hollywood Squares i feel like
01:36:19
Hollywood Squares I could shine because
01:36:21
you get a little oneliners in like the
01:36:22
jokes are kind of built into it a lot
01:36:24
more fun but I think we should do Family
01:36:26
Feud versus another podcast squad so
01:36:28
like us versus Why do you aim so high
01:36:31
always oh I think Family Feud's funny i
01:36:33
think it's funny all right everybody
01:36:34
this has been another Actually that
01:36:36
would be a lot of fun that's a good idea
01:36:37
in fact we should do it we should do it
01:36:39
with Schultz and his crew the four of
01:36:40
them and the four of us all in Schultzy
01:36:43
and his crew that' be eight people would
01:36:45
watch no you're incorrect
01:36:49
people would love it yeah yeah this is
01:36:51
definitely something for John if we're
01:36:53
done sniffing our own butts let's go we
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