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saaks you ready you got your quick time
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going oh yeah let me do that real quick
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and just a quick note saak Mr Kennedy
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doesn't have earpieces in so he we just
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have to be careful of the Cross talk
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we're talking over each other I'll
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direct uh questions to each person and
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then follow-ups you can obviously just
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use your judgment of when to insert
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yourself but be uh be gentle on the
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insertion there because we don't want
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that came out wrong um just be uh be
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gentle when you interrupt God there's
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your cold open at least if you did it
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incorrectly it'll be quick okay here we
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go in three
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two let your winners
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ride Rainman
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David and instead we open source it to
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the fans and they've just gone crazy
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it all right everybody Welcome to the
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all-in podcast as many of you know this
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podcast has gotten quite popular over
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the last two years typically in the top
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10 or 20 each week and we talk about
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politics we've got a big
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following in DC and why are you calling
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me self-absorbed Cham I me listen to how
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your co-host opens his show calm down
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everybody it's okay yeah yeah and as
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part of that our ongoing discussions
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about politics and presidential
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candidates has
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resonated in particular communities and
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today we are lucky enough to have one of
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the top presidential hopefuls in the
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2024 election joining us uh Robert
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Kennedy Jr and we will be inviting all
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presidential candidates to come on to
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the all-in podcast and have candid uh
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discussions that are
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unfiltered the way the audience would
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expect them we're going to play with
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different formats but we decided for
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this first one we've got a series of
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topics we'd like to cover and we're
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going to treat it like any other all-in
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podcast with that I'll have David Sachs
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who has is the most conservative of our
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panel who has been also the most
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enthusiastic I think of every every body
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here uh and one of the most enthusiastic
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supporters of Robert Kennedy Jr's
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pursuit of the presidency of the United
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States so with that Dave would you like
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to introduce Our Guest yeah let me give
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uh Bobby a proper introduction here so
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Robert Francis Kennedy Jr is entering
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the political Arena as a candidate for
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the first time at the age of 69 but it's
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perhaps no exaggeration to say that he
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was destined for the mission he is now
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pursuing he is the nephew of President
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John F Kennedy and the son of attorney
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general and Senator Robert F Kennedy
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when Bobby was 14 his dad was running
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for president on a platform of civil
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rights civil liberties lifting Americans
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out of poverty and opposing the Vietnam
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War he had just won the California
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primary when he was tragically
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assassinated RFK Jr graduated from
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Harvard and the University of Virginia
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law school and became an environmental
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lawyer who aggressively litigated
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against corporate polluters and
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government agencies that were failing to
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regulate them he has always put the
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health and safety of the American people
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at the forfront of his activism and this
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has made him controversial at times as
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he has questioned the safety of some
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pharmaceutical products and also
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criticize Co restrictions during the
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pandemic for this the mainstream media
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has tried to paint him as a quote
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conspiracy theorist but given that so
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many conspiracy theories about Co have
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been Vindicated tablet magazine wrote
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quote at this point the fact that Robert
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F Kennedy is the country's leading
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conspiracy theorist alone qualifies him
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to be president but the biggest reason
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why I think his candidacy is so
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interesting and relevant is that it
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hearkens back to a Democratic party that
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believed in peace instead of War free
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speech and civil liberties in of
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censorship building up the middle class
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instead of the donor class and opposing
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corporate greed especially in the
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military-industrial complex which is a
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message you just don't hear much anymore
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coming from the Democratic side of the
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aisle so with that Bobby Kennedy welcome
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to the program thank you so much for
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having me so maybe we could start with
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foreign policy something we've discussed
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here specifically the Ukraine and
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Russia's invasion of Ukraine and our
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support of that war saak would you like
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to tea up a question for Mr Kennedy I
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think Bobby's tweets on the subject show
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that he has a really deep understanding
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of it he's been saying a lot of the
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things that I've been saying since the
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beginning of the war which it it not
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just the fact that we're risking World
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War III over you know getting involved
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in a in a country that isn't a treaty
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Ally of the United States it's never
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been a vital interest the United States
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but I think your critique goes deeper
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because you actually understand the
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causes of how this war started so maybe
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you know Bobby you could speak to that
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how how did we end up in this proxy war
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with with Russia from from your
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standpoint
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well you know F first of all I would let
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me start by saying
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this I supported the humanitarian Aid to
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the to the Ukraine which is what we were
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told initially was the was the mission
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although I had I was suspicious of it
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and you know my son as as I've
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mentioned actually went over left law
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school did not tell us where he was
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going and went over and joined the
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Foreign Legion um and fought in the k um
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uh offensive with a Special Forces Group
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he was served as a machine gunner he was
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in engagements with the Russians and but
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he feels the same way essentially that I
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do that this is no longer a humanitarian
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mission that are all the decisions the
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United States have made made has made
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since since the start has been about
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have been about prolonging the war about
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maximizing the the violence of the
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war um and being absolutely in
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transigent against the many
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opportunities to actually settle the war
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if and and that my understanding of the
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war is that not that zinski is pushing
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this war as hard as he can but that the
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neocons in the White House want this war
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they want regime change with the
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Russians they want to exhaust the
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Russian armies this is what uh defense
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secretary Lloyd Austin said in 2022 our
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objective is to exhaust and degrade
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Russian forces so they cannot fight
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anywhere else in the world um and
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President Biden acknowledged that one of
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his objectives in the war is regime
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Chang in Russia removing Vladimir Putin
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well if those are the objectives that is
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the opp of a humanitarian mission that
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is a mission to maximize casualties to
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prolong the war it's essentially a war
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of attrition and that's what we're
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seeing and the brunt of this is being
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paid by the flower of Ukrainian youth
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there have been over 300,000 this is
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something that the US government and the
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Ukrainian government have worked hard to
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hide the number of casualties which has
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been catastrophic this is the most
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violent conflict since World War II
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that's taken place probably any in the
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world and the casualties are enormous
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all over 300,000 Ukrainian dead the
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Russians are killing Ukrainian depending
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on who you believe at a ratio of
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5:1 to
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8:1 which was the seven to one in the in
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the recently recently leaked The
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Whistleblower leaked um Pentagon
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documents and the the Russians cannot
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lose this war we're being told they're
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losing they cannot afford to lose this
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War this is existential for them and
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they have been building up their forces
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they have a 10 to1 artillery advantage
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on us and this is an artillery War it's
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simply and we do not have the artillery
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to replace what we've lost up there this
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is a war that is preceding in a very
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cataclysmic
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trajectory and that the the answer to
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your question about how we got in this
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War uh goes back you a long way but I
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would say the the real story starts in
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2014 when the US government and
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particularly the neocons in the White
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House and
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elsewhere uh participated and supported
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the overthrow violent overthrow a
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couet against the democratically elected
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government of the Ukraine and put in a
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very very anti-russian
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government this prompted the Russians
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who then believe that that the
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US Navy was now going to be invited into
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the Black Sea to have a ported Crimea it
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prompted the Russians to
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preemptively invade
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Crimea at the same time the r the
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government that went came into the
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Ukraine began enacting a series of laws
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that turned the Russian populations of
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the Dumas region into second class
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citizens they they um they illegalized
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essentially their culture their
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language and they began ultimately
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killing them they killed 14,000 of them
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and it was a it prompted a civil war in
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the country and the Russian uh response
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which was illegal I have no sympathy or
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um toward Vladimir Putin Vladimir Putin
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is a gangster and he's a thug but his uh
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his response in the dumb o was not
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irrational so I guess the question
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becomes if you were elected president
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would you stop sending armaments to
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Ukraine I would
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immediately I I have a
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ceasefire and I would settle the war and
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I think it can be settled I don't even
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know I mean listen the best settlement
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for this war was outlined in the M
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Accords in 2014
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the M Accords which all the European uh
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countries agreed upon was when they when
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the Russians said and the Russian people
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in Dumas voted to leave Russia and
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Russia did not want them Russia said no
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let's develop an accord an agreement
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which would make Dumas a an autonomous
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region within the Ukraine which would
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agree to not put missile systems in
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Ukraine NATO missile systems which would
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agree that Ukraine would not join NATO
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if zinsky says no I want to keep
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fighting would you stop sending us
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weapons I would settle this I would
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settle this war the Ukraine cannot fight
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without us support So then at some point
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you would tell zilinski if I'm reading
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into what you're saying correctly hey
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settle it or out yeah yeah I would
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settle the war
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yeah do you think
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that we somehow allowed
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to believe that we would allow him into
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NATO meaning do you think
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that US foreign policy somehow almost
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induced this thing to happen I just want
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to try to understand the boundaries we
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have been doing
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integrative military exercises with the
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Ukrainian military so we were actively
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integrating them into NATO forces there
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was no
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question that you know the one thing
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that Putin said from the outset this is
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a rline you know when my uncle was
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President one of the things that he said
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he said a couple of things he said
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number one the principal job of a
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president of the United States is to
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keep the nation out of war and he
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succeeded doing that during his term in
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office he he sent 16,000 military
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advisers to Vietnam who were not were
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not authorized to participate in combat
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that didn't mean that some of them
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didn't they were not authorized and in
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fact that that was fewer federal troops
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than he sent to get James marides into
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the University of Mississippi so he sent
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fewer to Vietnam and two weeks before he
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died he signed a national security order
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ordering all of those troops home by
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1965 with the first thousand to come
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home that month by November and he died
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two weeks later so and then of course
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Johnson came in and remanded the war and
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sent 250,000 troops over there which is
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what all my uncle's military advisers
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wanted him to do yeah and he stood up to
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them um one of the other things my uncle
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said and you know the anniversary of his
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speech at American University which is
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an extraordinary speech probably one of
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the best in American history at Jeff Act
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is called called it the most important
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speech in American
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history um it was a speech to the
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American people and it was it's an
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extraordinary speech because if you read
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it it's asking them to put their their
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themselves into the shoes of the
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Russians and understand that the
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Russians bore the brunt of World War II
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they lost one out of every 13 Russians
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died in that war a third of their
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country was occupied and leveled to the
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ground it's like he said it's as if the
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entire east coast of the United States
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to Chicago was put into
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rubble and he described this in detail
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for the American people to say you know
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we're all people people we're all on an
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arc and we need to we need to understand
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each other's motives and not just vilify
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each other and what we're seeing now is
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this formula vilification this narrative
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that we saw with Saddam Hussein with you
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know Putin with every little war that we
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want to get
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into those guys are pure evil we're pure
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good and we're going to go rescue you
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know the Damsel in Distress just on that
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could you contrast and compare just
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maybe the last three or four presidents
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on this very narrow dimension of that of
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JFK's promise of what a president should
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be doing Bush Obama Trump and now Biden
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how do you see the things that these
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guys have gotten right and or very wrong
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here on that Dimension just on that
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Dimension you know I've been friends
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with Joe Biden for many many
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years Joe Biden is a you know he's a go
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to warar guy he he was one of the
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strongest supporters of the Iraq War
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he's been suppor of every war that's
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come along and that you know I think
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that's one of the reasons that you know
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some of those that that portion of the
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democratic party which is a very very
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powerful kind of King
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Pickers was very happy with him getting
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in offices that he never says no to a
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war I think Trump you know I liked a lot
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of what Trump said about foreign policy
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about disentangling us from this
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knee-jerk reaction of you know of
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constant Wars and that the cause that
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that imposes on our country what it's
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doing it's hollowing out our middle
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class uh but then Trump did a lot of
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things including walking away from the
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you know from uh um uh the intermediate
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nuclear missile treaty which is was
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another provocation for Russia because
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that
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treaty you know we're we're putting
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these intermediate missile systems all
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along the Russian Border in Romania and
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Poland and you know and in in uh
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Ukraine and uh and that those missiles
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can hit Cuba I mean can hit
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Moscow in a in a few minutes so there
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was a very destabilizing system we all
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signed it and he walked away from it and
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now I don't think that was a I think
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that was another provocation we should
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be
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deescalate these provocations though you
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know the why it did NATO this is what
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George Kennan said after after you know
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the the the Soviet Union
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collapsed why do we even have NATO
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anymore why do we have it why do we have
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it unless we're going to involve the
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Russians in it why don't we do a marshal
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plan for Russia we won the war they are
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the losers they admit they're the losers
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let they want to join the European
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Community let's make that easy for them
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let's not continue to treat them as if
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they're the enemy because that is a
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self-fulfilling prophecy and that
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unfortunately is what we did let's pivot
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then you want to contain and you would
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force everybody to the table to a
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resolution if I'm understanding
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correctly you weren't explicit in terms
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of would you remove support but I think
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we can infer from it you would have a
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point at which you would stop sending
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armaments to Ukraine we have
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tremendous moral pressure and economic
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pressure and everything else on Ukraine
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how about this Jason I mean would you be
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willing to take NATO expansion off the
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table if it helps
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W well Biden won't right no absolutely
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why are we trying to expand we gave our
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word and we would not expand Nato one
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inch to the East and now we've gone into
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13 countries you know uh it's a it is a
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provocation let's talk about Taiwan
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so we got to stay out of Wars if xiin
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ping decides Taiwan is strategic and he
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invades Taiwan what would your response
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be if you were elected president well my
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response would be to deescalate that
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conflict there's essentially a war party
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in
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Washington um that is is encouraging
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that conflict that is druming up that
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conflict what I would do is I would I
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would deescalate it I would stop looking
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at it as a threat right now and and and
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allow the Chinese and the Taiwanese to
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come to their own solution about what
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kind of relationship they have and I
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think that that that if we sto our
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provocations toward the Chinese that
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that would naturally deescalate and if
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China decided it's strategic and we're
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going in anyway would you if you were
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president defend Taiwan that's a
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question that I would not
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answer I'm curious why not why don't
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presidential candidates just answer that
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question because you're committing the
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country to a war in the future that
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would be probably the bloodiest war ever
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fought and it's not something that
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strategically it's not good strategy to
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pro pro project your your
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intentions you want to leave room for
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negotiation you want to leave room for
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all kinds of movements and you want to
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have a debate with the American people
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and with Congress Biden's been clear
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that he would defend it right so that's
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an it's an interesting Insight right
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there freeberg do you want talk maybe a
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little bit about the economy and the
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spending that we're seeing yeah so
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Robert I think my biggest question I've
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referenced this on the show a number of
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times um is this uh extraordinary
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concern I
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have about the fiscal deficit and the
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debt
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level of the
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US running deficits north of a trillion
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dollars a year 33 trillion in total debt
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some people use the debt to GDP metric
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which you know at this point is a coing
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or has exceeded
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130% and 52 Nations that have reached
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that level of debt to GDP only one of
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them has not had to
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restructure their currency or
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restructure their debt
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payments obviously with the debt seiling
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approaching and
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some fiscal conservatives using this
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moment as a point to try and generate
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leverage I guess my biggest question for
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the country now and going forward is you
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know do we actually have the ability to
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pursue all of these interests on a
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social a geopolitical a security agenda
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and and do so without having either a
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balanced budget or a
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plan that says here are the boundaries
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and here are the boundary conditions
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because in the last couple of years and
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particularly in the last five years
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we've seen almost like a bipartisan
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unmitigated spending spree that you know
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is largely driven to you know to to do
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what the electorate wants which is to
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give people stuff and giving people
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stuff costs money and that money has to
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be paid back at some
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point I guess how do you think about the
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importance of this and how do you think
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about the boundary conditions that you
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would you know look to articulate and
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impose uh as you you know think about
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this role with respect to the the
00:20:54
deficit spending and the debt levels for
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this country in terms of a boundary I I
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you know I would love to hear arguments
00:21:02
about that but I um you know I we as you
00:21:05
say I think the the Deb is now 32
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trillion uh the GDP our GDP is around 25
00:21:12
uh trillion so that is that's just a
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really alarming
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ratio if you look at why you know the
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the primary cause are our military
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expenditures it we're spending eight uh
00:21:24
this year I think uh eight uh $8.4
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trillion on the military budget this
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year um but if you throw in the homeland
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security and all the surveillance and
00:21:38
security expenditures at home it's 1.11
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trillion a year that's 1.1 trillion a
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year that is attributable to to
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essentially to our our you know war
00:21:50
mongering and I don't think we can
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afford to be policemen of the world
00:21:54
anymore we have 800 bases around the
00:21:56
world we need to start rebuilding our
00:21:58
middle class at home we need to be
00:22:00
responsible with our debt and we need my
00:22:04
grandfather always
00:22:05
said that we should make America too
00:22:09
expensive to conquer we should make
00:22:10
Fortress America we should arm America
00:22:13
to the teeth at home so that no so we're
00:22:16
too expensive to conquer and then we
00:22:18
should concentrate on building up our
00:22:20
economic power and a robust middle class
00:22:24
that's what's going to make America
00:22:25
strong and instead of uh projecting
00:22:27
military strength abroad we ought to be
00:22:31
projecting our economic strength and a
00:22:33
Marketplace of ideas and economic power
00:22:37
I I you know right now we're borrowing
00:22:40
six uh six billion dollars a day mainly
00:22:44
from the Chinese and Japanese just to
00:22:46
serve the interest on that debt that's
00:22:48
not a healthy thing for America to be
00:22:50
and we got to figure out you know a way
00:22:52
to uh impose fiscal discipline but I
00:22:55
can't tell you exactly what my
00:22:57
boundaries would be
00:22:59
that's something I need to think about
00:23:00
but how do you how do you think about
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that like I think non of discretionary
00:23:08
spending you know defense is is about
00:23:10
800 billion non-defense is about 900
00:23:13
billion and then obviously there's
00:23:15
Social Security benefits Medicare
00:23:18
Medicaid in order to get the budget
00:23:21
balanced you think cutting defense would
00:23:24
be kind of the first priority and you
00:23:26
could kind of get there through you know
00:23:28
approach but I I there still seems to be
00:23:30
a big gap to me on you know given how
00:23:32
much we're spending on how do we
00:23:35
actually get there are we ultimately
00:23:36
going to have to kind of change
00:23:38
retirement benefits restructure Medicare
00:23:40
Medicaid or are we going to raise taxes
00:23:43
or are we going to do all three to get
00:23:45
to this point otherwise we have this
00:23:46
obviously kind of NeverEnding debt
00:23:47
spiral that that's that's going to cause
00:23:49
a massive crisis uh whether it's not
00:23:51
this year maybe it's in 5 years or 10
00:23:53
years right now it's projected Social
00:23:55
Security will go bankrupt in 2035 203
00:23:58
for around that range so this is coming
00:24:00
up fast what are we going to be cutting
00:24:03
besides defense and or are we going to
00:24:04
be raising taxes to 70% do you think to
00:24:07
kind of bridge this hole I can't answer
00:24:09
that question any better than I already
00:24:11
have you know I think there there is
00:24:14
there are our targets for opportunity
00:24:16
and the uh in the homeland security I
00:24:20
think once we stop fighting these Wars
00:24:22
all over the world there's a lot n less
00:24:24
need for us to have a surveillance State
00:24:26
at home so the real cost in the military
00:24:29
is 1.1 trillion a year not just the 800
00:24:33
trillion that shows up on the book and I
00:24:35
think those are targets for opportunity
00:24:38
and I I can't you know I have to I need
00:24:41
to study more the issue about how to how
00:24:44
to get back into a balanced budget I you
00:24:46
know one of the things I'd say disturbs
00:24:49
me is that I don't think we should be
00:24:52
playing Chicken in Congress about
00:24:56
raising the debt ceiling um because I
00:24:59
think I don't think we should mess
00:25:00
around with the full faith and credit of
00:25:02
the United States particularly at this
00:25:04
point in time one of the things that's
00:25:06
happened in the world Bob is
00:25:08
that there's been a couple of countries
00:25:11
France is probably the best
00:25:13
example that had to raise the retirement
00:25:16
age and irrespective
00:25:19
of the view that one has on whether that
00:25:22
was right or wrong the Practical reality
00:25:25
of doing it is just that when these init
00:25:28
social safety nets were passed the
00:25:31
average life expectancy of folks was 10
00:25:34
15 years less than what they are today
00:25:36
and presumably as we keep inventing
00:25:39
Technologies folks are going to live to
00:25:42
80 90 100 years on average which may
00:25:44
seem implausible but is likely if you
00:25:47
look at the trend I'm just curious how
00:25:49
you think about the state of our social
00:25:52
safety net and what has to change what
00:25:57
would you keep the same
00:25:59
and what has to be totally reimagined
00:26:01
for what the world will look like in 30
00:26:02
or 40 years I would say it's a red line
00:26:05
for me to touch Social Security um or
00:26:08
Medicaid amican Medicare I think we need
00:26:11
to take care of people particularly
00:26:12
people who have spent their whole life
00:26:14
paying into a
00:26:16
system with a promise at the end and
00:26:19
have worked hard and uh um and saved and
00:26:24
done what they were supposed to do I
00:26:26
don't think they you know it's right to
00:26:28
they rug out from under them but again I
00:26:32
this is an issue that I need to spend
00:26:34
more time looking at uh and studing
00:26:37
maybe the next time I come back here a
00:26:39
better answer for you guys I think this
00:26:41
is my concern is uh sorry but Robert the
00:26:44
the the comment you just made is the
00:26:46
same comment I hear from both sides of
00:26:48
the aisle that we can't touch Social
00:26:50
Security Medicare Medicaid because it
00:26:53
would be so unpopular we wouldn't get
00:26:54
elected and that's ultimately kind of
00:26:57
what a democracy like ours may lead to
00:27:00
is that folks vote and elect
00:27:04
representatives that are going to create
00:27:05
these systems that benefit them but in
00:27:08
aggregate we may not be able to support
00:27:09
those benefits over time and at scale
00:27:12
and we may be facing that moment sooner
00:27:14
than any of us want to and I think it's
00:27:17
one of the more pressing issues and
00:27:19
concerns not just for the United States
00:27:22
but for the global economy that if the
00:27:24
US doesn't resolve this massive hole
00:27:29
talking about social security for
00:27:30
example going bankrupt in the next 12
00:27:33
years as one acute example of that
00:27:36
problem
00:27:37
set you know we may not be able to turn
00:27:39
it
00:27:40
around and I mean do you think that
00:27:42
politics is set up to solve the
00:27:45
structural economic problems that the US
00:27:47
is now facing because so much of
00:27:49
politics ends up leading towards what
00:27:51
additional benefits can I provide to my
00:27:54
uh the folks that get me elected here's
00:27:55
the thing is we spent $8 trillion in the
00:27:59
war in
00:28:01
iraq8 trillion and we got nothing for it
00:28:05
yeah that's pretty nuts that's nuts in
00:28:07
fact we got worse than nothing we killed
00:28:09
more Iraqis than Saddam Hussein we
00:28:11
killed a million Iraqis
00:28:13
probably uh we created Isis we turned
00:28:16
Iraq into a proxy for Iran which is
00:28:18
exactly what we've been not trying to do
00:28:21
for 40 years um and we drove 2 million
00:28:24
refugees with the Iraq War in its
00:28:26
aftermath Syria Yen and you know
00:28:29
Pakistan and Afghanistan 2 million
00:28:31
refugees to Europe destabilize democracy
00:28:34
in Europe and we go ahead so $8 trillion
00:28:38
there we spent $16 trillion on the
00:28:41
pandemic on the lockdown and it got
00:28:43
again got nothing in return um so that's
00:28:46
$24 trillion and now we're doing bank
00:28:48
bailouts every you know couple of months
00:28:51
of the Silicon Valley Bank the FED said
00:28:55
that it was uh printing 300 billion doar
00:28:58
for that made up for all of the you know
00:29:02
deflationary um uh uh uh steps that the
00:29:06
Biden administration had previously
00:29:09
taken you go to you know you go to a an
00:29:13
American who's been working their whole
00:29:15
life and has been promised at the end of
00:29:17
the life that they're going to get a few
00:29:19
bucks every month and you know I have a
00:29:22
friend who I brought to my speech with
00:29:24
me who who um during the sameth month
00:29:28
that we committed another 750 million
00:29:31
during March we sent $750 million extra
00:29:35
to the
00:29:36
Ukraine we uh we cut 15 million
00:29:40
Americans from
00:29:41
Medicare my friend got a call from from
00:29:44
the from the government on his cell
00:29:48
phone a recorded call saying that your
00:29:50
food stamps have just been cut by 90% he
00:29:53
went from
00:29:54
$283 a month to $25 a month so you try
00:29:59
to feed yourself on $25 a month there
00:30:03
are 30 million Americans who are
00:30:06
starving right now and that to me is
00:30:10
unacceptable and it's hard to go to
00:30:12
people like that people who have been
00:30:14
honest who played by the rules who have
00:30:17
done everything that they were supposed
00:30:19
to do with the promise that they would
00:30:20
be taken care of that their healthc care
00:30:22
would been taken care of an old age you
00:30:25
go to those people and say okay now
00:30:27
we're going to cut food
00:30:29
stamps and try to Fe feed yourself on
00:30:32
$25 a month try to feed yourself for $25
00:30:35
a week we're telling them that and then
00:30:39
uh and then spending 800 billion to make
00:30:42
a plane how you going to cut the federal
00:30:44
budget when you're sending over 100
00:30:45
billion to Ukraine there's you can't you
00:30:47
have no moral authority to do it I want
00:30:49
to finish that by saying you know you're
00:30:52
like tinkering in the engine room when
00:30:54
the ship is sinking you know because you
00:30:57
know
00:30:58
or or switching Tech on the Titanic
00:31:02
let's deal with the real problem let's
00:31:03
figure out how to make this nation a
00:31:06
nation that is really focused on taking
00:31:08
care of our people inside rather than
00:31:11
saying okay well in order to pay for the
00:31:13
Ukraine war we got to screw every
00:31:15
American on Social Security and Medicare
00:31:19
we've had by the way the inflation that
00:31:22
we've created from you know from from
00:31:25
just printing money is making my friend
00:31:29
Key's food twice expensive so the the
00:31:31
cost of stables in this country has
00:31:33
raised by 76% in 2 years and now they're
00:31:37
cutting his food stamps and bailing out
00:31:39
the same month $300 million the Silicon
00:31:42
Valley Bank we gotta I mean it doesn't
00:31:45
make any sense and having this kind of
00:31:48
conversation how do we screw the poor to
00:31:51
make sure that we can you know we can
00:31:54
milk them while we're doing all of this
00:31:56
great it's this country is acting like
00:31:59
the
00:32:00
alcoholic who is behind on his mortgage
00:32:04
and who takes the milk money and goes
00:32:06
into the bar and buys rounds for
00:32:08
strangers you know that's what you're
00:32:09
dealing with that's a pretty good
00:32:11
analogy shots everybody so let me let me
00:32:15
ask a followup question on this dead
00:32:16
ceiling fight which is which is a game
00:32:18
of chicken and the the country's economy
00:32:22
might go off a cliff in the next month
00:32:24
because Republicans and Democrats can't
00:32:26
agree so Biden's position is I want a
00:32:29
clean debt cealing increase no terms on
00:32:33
it House Republicans have passed a debt
00:32:36
seing increase but it contains things
00:32:40
like a 1% cap on spending growth it
00:32:43
claws back unspent covid-19 relief funds
00:32:47
and it would halt Biden's student debt
00:32:49
forgiveness plan so Robert I guess the
00:32:52
question to you would be would you
00:32:55
negotiate like what would your posture
00:32:56
to House Republicans be would you be
00:32:58
willing to negotiate because Biden is
00:33:01
basically saying I will not negotiate at
00:33:02
all so negotiate or not negotiate I
00:33:05
guess that's my question to you you you
00:33:07
you have to negotiate I'm not sure if
00:33:08
he's posturing you know or what they
00:33:11
have to negotiate they have to you know
00:33:14
they have to work out something that's
00:33:15
good for our country and that you know
00:33:18
and they're going to both sides are
00:33:19
going to have to give up
00:33:21
something we have to you know we have to
00:33:23
put our country first and it's it's
00:33:25
insane to play this game of with a you
00:33:29
know with this when the stakes are so
00:33:31
there's been a lot of
00:33:33
talk Robert about the Deep State the FBI
00:33:37
doj CIA your family obviously having
00:33:40
dealt with two tragic assassinations
00:33:42
your father and your uncle has dealt
00:33:44
with this firsthand in terms of just
00:33:46
having the
00:33:47
CIA information about these
00:33:50
assassinations released I'm curious your
00:33:52
position on some of the most
00:33:56
radical proposals people have this
00:33:58
election cycle of dismantling the FBI
00:34:03
CIA doj AKA The Deep state do you
00:34:06
believe there's a deep State and how
00:34:08
would you as president deal
00:34:11
with this intelligence uh operation we
00:34:15
have and and then also personally what
00:34:17
are your personal feelings on it well
00:34:21
um on the you know I have I you I've I
00:34:26
have a pretty clear idea about how I
00:34:27
would
00:34:29
handle um the intelligence agencies and
00:34:32
in fact my father was thinking very
00:34:34
deeply about that at the time my father
00:34:36
who believed his his you know first
00:34:39
reaction when his brother was killed was
00:34:40
that the CIA had killed him in fact the
00:34:43
first three calls he made on that day
00:34:47
and you know I was home uh at the time
00:34:51
when John mcom the CIA was right across
00:34:53
the street from my house and so John
00:34:55
mcom who's the CIA director you would
00:34:58
come to our house and swim every day
00:35:00
after work during the Spring and
00:35:02
summertime and my father called the CIA
00:35:06
desk and talked to a desk officer and
00:35:08
said did your people do this that was
00:35:10
his first call and he called Harry
00:35:13
Ruiz who was a Cuban uh who was one of
00:35:16
the Cubans who had remained friendly
00:35:18
with my family my you know while we were
00:35:20
surrounded by Cubans growing up because
00:35:23
of who were Bay of Pigs refugees my
00:35:26
father had got them freed
00:35:28
after a year in you know in the uh
00:35:31
Castro
00:35:32
prisons and um and my father and mother
00:35:37
spent a lot of time finding houses for
00:35:39
them schools integrating them to the US
00:35:41
military finding jobs and so we were all
00:35:44
raised very very closely with the Cuban
00:35:46
Community but
00:35:47
gradually they turned away from my
00:35:49
family but this one Cuban who had been
00:35:53
been an engineer had fought with Castro
00:35:55
and then turned against him when he came
00:35:57
became communist was very close friends
00:35:59
with my father the second call that he
00:36:02
made was to Harry Ruiz and he said did
00:36:05
uh did our people meaning the CIA people
00:36:07
do this and um and that was uh and so my
00:36:14
father was thinking very very very
00:36:18
carefully about how to handle this CIA
00:36:20
he had been you know he had been
00:36:22
essentially managing the CIA since he
00:36:24
came into office and he recognized that
00:36:27
the problem and you know as I I talked
00:36:30
about my speech and I think David on
00:36:32
this show mentioned this that during the
00:36:35
Bay of Pigs
00:36:36
invasion my uncle realized that he had
00:36:39
been lied to by by Charles gabell and
00:36:43
Allan Dulles and Richard Bell the heads
00:36:45
of the as well as his Joint Chiefs and
00:36:48
he came out in the middle of the
00:36:50
invasion when it turned against them and
00:36:52
he realized these these men were being
00:36:54
killed on the beach and he said I want
00:36:56
to take the CIA and shattered into a
00:36:58
thousand pieces and Scatter it to the
00:37:00
wind so he recognized that the function
00:37:03
of the intelligence agencies had
00:37:05
devolved and that they were they had
00:37:08
become captive of the military
00:37:09
industrial complex and the military
00:37:12
contractors and their uh their function
00:37:15
was essentially to provide our
00:37:18
nation with a constant pipeline of new
00:37:21
Wars to feed the military industrial
00:37:24
complex and the growth of the
00:37:26
surveillance state and my father when he
00:37:29
ran for president Pete Hamill who was
00:37:31
one of his favorite um
00:37:34
newsmen asked him on the boss during two
00:37:37
weeks before he died asked him what what
00:37:40
he was going to do about the CIA and he
00:37:42
said what we need to do is to we we need
00:37:46
to remove the Espionage
00:37:50
division Espionage Branch from the plans
00:37:54
division the plans division of the CIA
00:37:56
is essentially the dirty tricks um
00:37:59
provision that's the the division the
00:38:01
action uh division they do the
00:38:04
assassinations they fix elections they
00:38:06
do paramilitary operations Black Ops
00:38:09
torture black sites all of that stuff
00:38:12
the Espionage Division and CIA was
00:38:14
originally set up by Cuba by Truman as
00:38:17
an Espionage agency Espionage means
00:38:20
information gathering and
00:38:22
Analysis it's not violence it's about
00:38:25
information acquisition and
00:38:28
unfortunately the the uh the clandestine
00:38:32
action
00:38:34
division was wagging the Espionage dog
00:38:38
so the function of the Espionage
00:38:40
division was to to provide new actions
00:38:43
things to do for the glenstein division
00:38:46
uh and then covering up their mistakes
00:38:50
so there was never any accountability
00:38:52
and what my father understood is that
00:38:54
the aspan division should not be working
00:38:56
for the for the glendenin services they
00:38:59
should be overseeing them and
00:39:01
particularly doing
00:39:03
accountability oh you know what if the
00:39:08
CIA looks the way that the CIA looks at
00:39:11
the war in Iraq is it was a success
00:39:14
because we accomplished our mission of
00:39:16
deposing Saddam
00:39:17
Hussein but and you know the CIA was
00:39:20
George Tennant who lied to President
00:39:22
Bush and said it's a slam dunk so they
00:39:24
got us to go in there at weapons of
00:39:28
so as president would you rethink it and
00:39:31
then just as a final question as final
00:39:34
followup to that do you believe they
00:39:36
murdered or were involved in the murder
00:39:38
of your uncle what have you come to
00:39:40
personally the CIA yes they were
00:39:42
definitely involved in the murder and
00:39:44
the you know and the 60-year cover up
00:39:46
they're still not releasing the you know
00:39:48
the papers that legally they have to
00:39:51
release um but I don't think there's any
00:39:53
doubt if you look at this huge you know
00:39:56
mount Monumental mountain of evidence
00:39:59
and confessions and you know so many
00:40:01
people have confessed to their
00:40:03
involvement and you know we understand
00:40:06
um if you look I mean for anybody who
00:40:09
has doubts about that I would recommend
00:40:12
a book I Jim Douglas called the
00:40:14
Unspeakable because I think he's done a
00:40:17
better job uh than anybody else at kind
00:40:20
of assembling and Distilling all of the
00:40:23
millions and millions of documents that
00:40:27
uh have been released over the past 50
00:40:30
years and these things these Revelations
00:40:32
are released incrementally and so nobody
00:40:34
really takes notice of but when you put
00:40:36
them all together the story is very
00:40:38
clear so you you would definitely
00:40:39
rethink the CIA the FBI doj you know the
00:40:43
whole intelligence at a minimum I think
00:40:45
what you're saying as well is maybe you
00:40:47
would
00:40:48
also release the documents that maybe
00:40:51
would at least provide some more
00:40:53
transparency I just wanted to build on
00:40:54
that because you had a very provocative
00:40:57
tweet part of what you're talking about
00:41:00
is accountability and we need data and
00:41:02
transparency to have that there are
00:41:04
people that have whistle blown there are
00:41:06
people that have leaked and I think it's
00:41:09
fair to say that they've all been
00:41:11
treated by the security apparatus in
00:41:13
largely the exact same
00:41:15
way but you tweeted recently about your
00:41:18
desire to see some of those folks
00:41:19
forgiven and
00:41:21
pardoned do you want to just take a few
00:41:23
minutes just to talk about some of those
00:41:24
folks that you think
00:41:27
allowed us to actually see the truth if
00:41:29
we want to see it and why you think that
00:41:30
and what you think should be done with
00:41:31
folks like that I mean Julian Assange is
00:41:34
an example Julian Assange is a newspaper
00:41:36
publisher he published leaked documents
00:41:40
you know why are we I mean I if I was
00:41:42
any newspaper the publisher in this
00:41:45
country I would be worried about that
00:41:47
then now he can go to jail for life
00:41:49
because he published League documents of
00:41:51
great import to the American people of
00:41:53
things that should not have been secret
00:41:55
that we should have known about
00:41:58
um Revelations that affect our civil
00:42:01
rights affect our foreign policy affect
00:42:04
things that we have a right to know
00:42:06
about and you know it's it's
00:42:09
really it's strange that there's any
00:42:11
support for his imprisonment among the
00:42:13
press and I think the Press is beginning
00:42:15
to figure this out finally the most
00:42:18
controversial of those figures is Edwin
00:42:20
Snowden but Edward Snowden um released
00:42:25
documents that showed us we were all
00:42:27
being spied
00:42:28
upon and that's important for Americans
00:42:31
to know and in fact it was so
00:42:34
important that Congress passed laws
00:42:37
based upon his Revelations to protect
00:42:40
the American people so why are we
00:42:42
punishing The Whistleblower rather than
00:42:44
punishing the people who were you know
00:42:47
who were illegally spying on us that's
00:42:50
what we should be doing we shouldn't be
00:42:53
jailing denters in our country we
00:42:55
shouldn't be jailing whistle owers we
00:42:57
should be jailing the people who break
00:42:59
the law to keep this bipartisan do you
00:43:01
believe the Deep state is acting to
00:43:05
subvert the Trump presidency and that
00:43:07
they are framing him on these three or
00:43:10
four indictments that
00:43:12
they are working on some that have
00:43:15
dropped some that haven't do you believe
00:43:16
there's a deep state conspiracy against
00:43:19
Trump because you might be facing him I
00:43:21
don't use the word deep St I mean I you
00:43:23
know
00:43:24
I you know I've described how these uh
00:43:28
bureaucracies function and it's not that
00:43:31
it's not so much a group of people that
00:43:34
kind of deep split State implies there's
00:43:35
a group of of people in kind of you know
00:43:38
black coats in a smoky room uh pulling
00:43:41
strings
00:43:42
but the corruption is systemic the these
00:43:46
uh you know they all of these agencies
00:43:48
are captive agencies the CIA is
00:43:51
ultimately working for a for industry
00:43:55
like the oil industry the coal industry
00:43:57
and the military contractors and that
00:43:59
they've always had that tie since the
00:44:01
very beginning you know Alan
00:44:03
Dulles who had worked for svin Cromwell
00:44:06
and ended up doing coupet Tas on behalf
00:44:09
of his former clients like Texico and
00:44:11
United Fruit Texico and BP in in uh Iran
00:44:14
in
00:44:16
1953 his former client United Fruit when
00:44:19
when uh Jacob Harens and Guatemala tried
00:44:23
to nationalize United Fruit you know uh
00:44:26
the a under dolls went over through the
00:44:28
government to protect the interest of
00:44:30
his former clients so there's always
00:44:32
been these ties to Industry and the ties
00:44:34
now and particularly the oil
00:44:36
industry and the ties to um to the
00:44:40
military industrial contractors really
00:44:43
Drive CIA action and CIA intelligence
00:44:47
and we have to you know you have to stop
00:44:50
and this is systemic in all these
00:44:52
agencies I mean USDA is run by Carill
00:44:56
Smithfield um on Santo um Bo Pilgrim
00:45:00
John Tyson EPA is right when we sued
00:45:04
EPA um we got Discovery
00:45:07
documents that showed that the head of
00:45:09
the pesticide division Jess Rowan had
00:45:13
been secretly working for Monsanto for a
00:45:16
decade and you know sending memos back
00:45:18
and forth with Monsanto directing them
00:45:20
you need to kill this study you need to
00:45:22
kill that study and this unfortunately
00:45:25
is not the exception it is the rule
00:45:27
most of the people who work for those
00:45:29
agencies are good citizens they're good
00:45:31
Americans they're honest and they're
00:45:34
Patriots the people who tend to rise in
00:45:36
those agencies and occupy these very
00:45:39
very powerful key positions from decades
00:45:41
or years like Anthony fouchy 50 years
00:45:45
are people who are in the tank with
00:45:48
industry and what we need to do is
00:45:50
unravel that across the government and
00:45:53
that's really what people say that's the
00:45:55
Deep state that really is what a
00:45:57
systemic corruption within our agencies
00:46:01
that is that's driven by agency capture
00:46:04
can we actually just talk about the
00:46:06
Corona virus maybe pandemic for a second
00:46:08
and I I just want to tie in two
00:46:10
concepts sometimes again there's a lot
00:46:12
of mainstream
00:46:14
misinformation about it there is a lot
00:46:17
that came out about you particularly as
00:46:19
it relates to vaccines I just want to
00:46:21
give you an opportunity to set the
00:46:22
record straight just on what you think
00:46:25
happened Co all that corruption your
00:46:27
thought on vaccines the efficacy of our
00:46:29
programs how we should change what we
00:46:30
keep the same just maybe a chance to
00:46:32
clear the year so that we can get some
00:46:34
of the gobleg on the internet set
00:46:38
straight I mean it's hard to I you know
00:46:41
I wrote a a 250,000 paid book about it
00:46:45
and I've written a couple of books and
00:46:46
so it's hard to summarize you know what
00:46:49
went wrong in in a uh in a second but
00:46:52
but essentially we had instead of
00:46:55
a Public Health response to a Public
00:46:58
Health crisis we had a militarized and
00:47:00
monetized response that was the inverse
00:47:03
of what of everything that you would
00:47:05
want to do if you actually wanted to
00:47:07
protect Public Health we've known you
00:47:10
know if you look at who protocols or CDC
00:47:14
protocols the EU the NHS and Britain all
00:47:17
those they all had protocols for how to
00:47:19
manage the pandemic they all said
00:47:22
unanimously you do not use lockdowns
00:47:26
Mass lockdown you quarantine the sick
00:47:29
you protect the vulnerable but you keep
00:47:31
Society moving because the consequences
00:47:34
of not to of shutting down Society will
00:47:36
be cataclysmic beyond anything that the
00:47:39
disease is going to impose everybody
00:47:42
knew that and so you know we had these
00:47:45
these agencies that that had drilled for
00:47:48
years and years uh this alternative you
00:47:52
know militarized
00:47:54
response and instead of you know doing
00:47:57
what you want to do which is to get
00:47:59
early treatment to people to have I mean
00:48:02
you know we we live in the age of the
00:48:03
internet we should have had a a grid
00:48:06
that connected all 15 million Frontline
00:48:08
doctors every country around the world
00:48:11
and figured out what are you doing that
00:48:13
works in your country you know and try
00:48:15
and then distilling that information and
00:48:17
processing it and getting it to other
00:48:19
doctors well we knew it was working we
00:48:21
knew I mean and hydroxy chloric were
00:48:23
working we knew that since 2004 NIH did
00:48:27
this study that said hydroxychlor
00:48:29
obliterates Corona virus we knew what
00:48:32
would work at that time and what was the
00:48:35
response they the response was they
00:48:38
could not allow early treatment to occur
00:48:41
why because there's a little known
00:48:43
federal law that says if there is a drug
00:48:47
that is shown effective against a Target
00:48:50
disease it is il a drug that is proof
00:48:53
for any
00:48:54
purpose it is illegal
00:48:57
to issue a a emergency use authorization
00:49:01
for a vaccine so if they had admitted
00:49:03
that hydroxychlor or IV mton worked
00:49:06
against Corona virus it would have
00:49:07
destroyed their whole hundred billion
00:49:09
dollar vaccine you know Enterprise so
00:49:12
they had to kill early treatments and
00:49:16
they went after stuff that they knew
00:49:17
worked they this was the first
00:49:19
respiratory virus in history where
00:49:22
people would go to the hospital and they
00:49:25
would test positive for coron vir virus
00:49:27
and be symptomatic they were sick that's
00:49:29
why they went to the hospital and the
00:49:32
hospital would say to them there is no
00:49:34
treatment go home till your lips turn
00:49:36
blue and you can't breathe and come back
00:49:39
and we will give you two things that are
00:49:41
going to kill you rem Desir and hydroxy
00:49:43
and and uh
00:49:45
and
00:49:46
ventilation so people still look at in
00:49:50
this country and Anthony foui is a hero
00:49:53
and we were doing things a couple miles
00:49:55
from me in Malibu there were Police
00:49:59
pulling Surfers out of the surf and
00:50:01
giving them thousand tickets and telling
00:50:03
them to go home getting him out of the
00:50:05
sunshine where where Corona virus
00:50:07
doesn't spread and lock him in their
00:50:09
home where it does and every time they s
00:50:12
some one of these people home from the
00:50:13
hospital sick it was a super spreader
00:50:16
event oh you look at our record of
00:50:19
Corona virus and this is when nobody can
00:50:21
explain who is you know defending fouy
00:50:25
Etc we had the highest body count in the
00:50:29
world by far from Corona
00:50:31
virus the our we have 4.2% of the
00:50:34
world's population we had 16% of the
00:50:37
covid deaths how does anybody explain
00:50:39
that and you go to Nations that didn't
00:50:42
do what we told them Nigeria Nigeria is
00:50:46
the highest malaria burden in the world
00:50:47
so it everybody everybody gets hydroxy
00:50:50
chlorin once a week they call it Sunday
00:50:52
Sunday everybody in the country takes it
00:50:54
on Sunday they had the highest is uh
00:50:57
river bline is burden so half the
00:50:59
country's on high for
00:51:00
meon Nigeria never had an epidemic it
00:51:04
had a death rate in Nigeria of 14 people
00:51:06
per million population our death rate
00:51:09
3,000 per million population blacks in
00:51:13
our countries were dying at 3.6 times
00:51:15
the rate of whites why were American
00:51:18
blacks dying and Nigerian blacks
00:51:20
weren't and uh and then you go to Haiti
00:51:23
Haiti had a and by the way Nigeria had
00:51:26
1.3% vaccination rate 80 had a 1.4%
00:51:31
vaccination rate and they had a death
00:51:34
rate of 15 people per million population
00:51:37
these are the countries that Tony fouchy
00:51:39
and Bill Gates said we got to get them
00:51:42
vaccinated we got to do whatever we can
00:51:43
because they're going to get totally
00:51:44
wiped out because their poverty and
00:51:46
guess right they never had a pandemic
00:51:48
across Africa there was a 10%
00:51:50
vaccination rate and guess what they had
00:51:53
a death rate of about 340 so some people
00:51:57
uh think that the death rate here was
00:51:59
overstated because of incentives to do
00:52:02
that do you believe that as well so
00:52:04
maybe part of that death rate is it was
00:52:06
overed but you believe looking back on
00:52:08
this that fouchy as well as the Pharma
00:52:11
companies Bill Gates investments in
00:52:13
those areas that led us down a path
00:52:17
we'll call it the medical industrial the
00:52:19
farm industrial complex you believe the
00:52:20
farm industrial complex dictated our
00:52:23
response to Corona virus and then
00:52:25
freeberg I'll let you jump in
00:52:28
yeah but you believe that that that's
00:52:30
the I I don't have any
00:52:32
question I believe this was a you know
00:52:35
it was as I said it was a military
00:52:39
response I mean look at who was running
00:52:42
the look at who was running the Corona
00:52:46
virus response wouldn't you think it
00:52:47
would be
00:52:48
HHS well when they had when warp
00:52:52
speed had to present its declassify its
00:52:56
Oran Iz ational charts to show to the
00:52:58
FDA committee called verac when they
00:53:01
demanded it and warps me went in and
00:53:04
show them the organizational CH charts
00:53:07
the the the the agency running warp
00:53:11
speed and pandemic response was not HHS
00:53:15
it was NSA the National Security
00:53:17
Agency ail Haynes is the Director of
00:53:20
National Intelligence so she was running
00:53:23
operation warps spe and who was
00:53:26
manufacturing it wasn't fiser Mna it was
00:53:30
140 military contractors who you know
00:53:33
who had lines ready and you say you know
00:53:36
and then you know all of this clamp down
00:53:38
on on civil rights that we saw the the
00:53:42
censorship um the closing the churches
00:53:45
the you know the the closing of the
00:53:47
right to assemble the Banning of jury
00:53:49
trials against pharmaceutical companies
00:53:51
they crushed the Seventh Amendment the
00:53:53
First Amendment they closed down 3.3 3
00:53:56
million businesses with no due process
00:53:58
no just
00:53:59
compensation uh they they obliterated
00:54:02
the Fourth Amendment right to you know
00:54:04
uh to uh against warrantless searches
00:54:07
and seizures with all these intrusive uh
00:54:11
you know you you you have to show your
00:54:12
medical records to go get out of your
00:54:14
house or to get into a public building
00:54:16
freeberg what what is correct here do
00:54:18
you believe in what is incorrect about
00:54:20
Roberts what's Robert saying if anything
00:54:21
well look I mean there's obviously a lot
00:54:22
of things I could say by the way I was
00:54:24
on the executive team at Monsanto for a
00:54:26
couple years so you know I one one thing
00:54:28
I will say is I sat on the at the table
00:54:31
facing the EPA and the USDA and
00:54:34
certainly didn't feel like a very cozy
00:54:35
relationship and at least what I saw in
00:54:38
the few years I was there it was it did
00:54:41
feel like a very kind of Independent
00:54:43
Regulatory and challenging frankly
00:54:45
regulatory process that Monsanto had to
00:54:47
manage and deal with and go through and
00:54:49
and releasing new
00:54:51
products you know I I don't think that
00:54:53
this notion that there were kind of
00:54:54
embedded parties that did our whims and
00:54:58
wishes really plays through at least for
00:54:59
my experience sitting there and I'm not
00:55:01
a longtime Monsanto executive I built a
00:55:03
software company sold it to Monsanto and
00:55:05
sat on the exec team for a few years
00:55:07
after the
00:55:08
acquisition but I guess the the
00:55:10
more kind of I think bigger framing
00:55:14
question for you Robert is really around
00:55:15
vaccines in general I think your your
00:55:18
commentary around the the co
00:55:21
response and uh you know the influencing
00:55:24
forces there didn't start with Co right
00:55:27
I mean you you've you've been a kind
00:55:30
of you know outspoken voice on vaccines
00:55:33
in general for some time is that a fair
00:55:35
statement because I think that that's
00:55:36
part of the media narrative around your
00:55:37
history and Legacy is that you have been
00:55:40
kind of outspoken on vaccines and the
00:55:43
you know the the risks and the and the
00:55:45
effects that you that you consider to be
00:55:47
kind of I don't know if it's implied or
00:55:50
explicit with respect to the use and and
00:55:52
wide adoption of of vaccines over time
00:55:54
maybe you could share a little bit about
00:55:55
your broader perspective in the leading
00:55:57
up to co and how that then kind of
00:55:58
informed your point of view specifically
00:56:00
on Co you know my objective is not to
00:56:03
vac I'm not antia I'm fully vaccinated
00:56:06
my kids were fully
00:56:08
vaccinated um I wish at this point that
00:56:10
I had not done that because I know
00:56:12
enough about them now but my principal
00:56:15
objective is that
00:56:17
vaccines um in this the childhood
00:56:19
vaccines are immune from pre-licensing
00:56:22
safety testing of the 72 when I got was
00:56:26
a I got three vaccines my children got
00:56:29
72 doses of 16 vaccines and the vaccines
00:56:34
are uh the one medical product that does
00:56:36
not have to go through uh Placebo
00:56:39
controled trials where you test exposed
00:56:41
versus unexposed population prior to
00:56:44
licenser and that there's a number of
00:56:46
historical reasons for that that come
00:56:48
out of the kind of
00:56:49
military uh Beginnings the these
00:56:52
vaccines were regarded as um as National
00:56:54
Security defense against of biological
00:56:57
attacks on our country so they wanted to
00:56:59
make sure if the Russians attacked us
00:57:00
with Anthrax or some other biological
00:57:03
agent they could quickly formulate and
00:57:05
deploy vaccine at 200 million Americans
00:57:08
with no regulatory
00:57:09
impediments so they they called them
00:57:12
biologics rather than medicines and
00:57:14
Exempted biologics from pre-licensing
00:57:16
safety tra I've litigated on that issue
00:57:18
not one of them has ever been T tested
00:57:20
pre licenser against so nobody
00:57:23
knows what the you know you can say that
00:57:26
the vaccine is effective against the
00:57:28
target
00:57:29
disease but you can't say that it's not
00:57:33
causing worse problems now I I'll just
00:57:36
summarize this story in the the vaccine
00:57:40
schedule exploded in
00:57:42
1986 the vaccine industry succeeded in
00:57:45
getting Ronald Reagan to sign a law and
00:57:48
my uncle was also you know a group that
00:57:50
was pressured by wyth which was losing
00:57:53
$20 in Downstream liabilities
00:57:56
on every vaccine it made because of
00:57:59
lawsuits for every dollar that it made
00:58:02
and they in in profit they went to
00:58:04
Reagan and said we're going to get out
00:58:05
of the vaccine business and you're going
00:58:08
to be left without a vaccine Supply
00:58:10
unless you give us full immunity from
00:58:12
liability and Reagan you reluctantly
00:58:15
signed that and so today no matter how
00:58:19
negligent the company no matter how
00:58:20
Grievous your injury no matter how
00:58:22
Reckless their conduct you cannot sue
00:58:24
them that caused a gold rush cuz now
00:58:27
you've got a product that there's no
00:58:29
Downstream liability you're immune from
00:58:32
that there's no Upstream safety testing
00:58:35
so that's a $250 million saving and
00:58:38
there's no marketing or advertising cost
00:58:40
so because the federal government is
00:58:42
going to mandate this product to 76
00:58:45
million American children whether they
00:58:46
like it or not and there's no better
00:58:49
product in the world and so there was a
00:58:50
gold rush and instead of three vaccines
00:58:53
we quickly ended up with 72 and now
00:58:55
we're going to you know toward 80 right
00:58:57
now and there's no end in sight and a
00:59:00
lot of those vaccines were unnecessary
00:59:02
they're not even for casual disease
00:59:03
cause diseases here's what happened in N
00:59:06
beginning in
00:59:08
1989 we experienced a chronic disease
00:59:11
epidemic in this country it is unlike
00:59:14
anything in human
00:59:15
history we went from having 6% of
00:59:18
Americans affected by chronic disease to
00:59:21
54% by 2006 and what do I mean by
00:59:24
chronic disease I mean neurological
00:59:26
disease that I never saw when I was a
00:59:28
kid ADD ADHD speci a language a tick Ted
00:59:33
syndrome um ASD autism narcolepsy all of
00:59:38
these suddenly appeared autism rates
00:59:40
went from 1 in 10,000 to one every
00:59:43
34 1989 was the year this began Allergic
00:59:48
Disease peanut allergy suddenly appeared
00:59:51
um food allergies eczema suddenly
00:59:54
appeared uh an axis and Asthma you know
00:59:57
which had been around but it exploded
01:00:00
and then autoimmune diseases like
01:00:02
rheumatoid arthritis and juvenile
01:00:04
diabetes um I never knew a k I had 11
01:00:07
siblings about 70 cousins uh I never
01:00:10
knew anybody with any of these diseases
01:00:13
and son why do five my kids have
01:00:15
allergies
01:00:17
so uh so then if you look at the
01:00:22
manufacturer's inserts for those 72
01:00:25
vaccines
01:00:26
there's
01:00:27
420 diseases that have been associated
01:00:31
with the vaccines that are
01:00:33
listed including every one of those
01:00:35
diseases that went epidemic in
01:00:38
1989 and this is the country which the
01:00:41
most heavily vaccinated and this was
01:00:43
happening here unlike any other country
01:00:45
in the world and so we have this you
01:00:48
know and and you know it's good for the
01:00:51
Pharma because Pharma now makes 60
01:00:53
billion on the vaccines when I was a kid
01:00:55
they were making 200 50 million now they
01:00:57
make 60 billion a year plus 100 billion
01:01:00
from covid vaccine Friedberg do you
01:01:02
believe that these vaccines are
01:01:05
overprescribed and are part of the rise
01:01:10
in ADHD and and all this Litany of
01:01:13
diseases I'm just asking fredberg who's
01:01:14
our resident scientist here do you do
01:01:16
you believe this you know explicitly as
01:01:19
a scientist I'm curious I don't think
01:01:20
there's direct evidence supporting that
01:01:23
relationship I think that there's a lot
01:01:25
of environmental fact factors that have
01:01:26
been
01:01:27
driving changes
01:01:30
in you know the rate of problems with
01:01:32
autoimmunity it relates to our food prod
01:01:35
products our food system it relates to
01:01:39
environmental chemistry like Robert has
01:01:41
talked about generally I think there's a
01:01:42
lot of
01:01:43
environmental conditioning that's caused
01:01:46
this rise in in in problems in human can
01:01:48
I interrupt for a second because I don't
01:01:50
think it's solely the vaccines our
01:01:52
children today are swimming around in a
01:01:54
toxic soup uh but there's a timeline and
01:01:57
actually the a toxicologist that I've
01:01:59
used in many of my law it's probably the
01:02:01
most famous in the country Phil
01:02:03
landan looked at the timeline of the
01:02:07
explosion of all these chronic diseases
01:02:09
and he said uh there's only a finite
01:02:13
number of things that have caused it you
01:02:14
know one is
01:02:16
glyphosate things that went became
01:02:18
ubiquitous against in every
01:02:21
demographic beginning in around 1993
01:02:24
1989
01:02:26
um one of m g is a neon niik toid
01:02:29
pesticides pfoas cell phones ultrasound
01:02:33
and he made the whole list um and so
01:02:36
it's a finite number and the question is
01:02:39
and vaccines are are part of that and
01:02:42
you know it is suspicious because the
01:02:44
vaccines list all of these side effects
01:02:46
now I've I've put together books you
01:02:51
know one of my books on this subject on
01:02:53
connecting these as 1, 1400 references
01:02:57
and 400 studies digested so the the
01:03:00
science out there is pretty clear but we
01:03:04
NIH refuses to study these things
01:03:07
because it knows that whatever wherever
01:03:10
they follow the dots it's going to end
01:03:12
up with a big shot and so they simply
01:03:15
have stopped studying them and they've
01:03:16
turned themselves into an incubator for
01:03:18
pharmaceutical products and they don't
01:03:19
do this kind of basic research I want to
01:03:22
just give you guys one example the most
01:03:25
common vaccine in the world is called
01:03:26
the dtb vaccine deia Tanis and ptosis we
01:03:30
gave it in this country in beginning
01:03:32
around
01:03:33
79 it was killing or uh causing severe
01:03:38
brain injury and one out of every 300
01:03:39
kids who got it UCLA study funded by NIH
01:03:43
that found it so they got rid of it
01:03:45
that's what caused all the lawsuits that
01:03:47
eventually precipitated the passage of
01:03:49
the vaccine we stopped it here they
01:03:52
stopped in Europe but Bill Gates and who
01:03:54
are still giving it to 161 million
01:03:57
African children every year it's the
01:03:59
most popular vaccine on Earth Bill Gates
01:04:02
says publicly it saved 30 million lives
01:04:05
he went to the Danish government and
01:04:07
said we've saved 30 Million Lives will
01:04:09
you support this program in 2017 the
01:04:11
Danish said show me the study that shows
01:04:13
that it saved all those
01:04:15
lives he couldn't do it so they went
01:04:17
down and they conducted his study West
01:04:20
Africa with the Danes operate all these
01:04:22
health clinics and they looked at 30
01:04:24
years of data and as it turned out in a
01:04:26
nation called Kenny Basel half the kids
01:04:29
in that country at the age two months
01:04:31
had received the vaccine and half had
01:04:34
not it was a perfect natural experiment
01:04:37
and they looked at 30 years of data and
01:04:39
what they found was that the kids who
01:04:42
received the vaccine were not dying of
01:04:43
dearia tetanus and pris but girls who
01:04:47
received the vaccine were
01:04:48
dying at 10 times the rate of
01:04:51
unvaccinated girls and they were not
01:04:53
dying of anything ever anybody ever
01:04:55
associated with the vaccine they were
01:04:57
dying of of bardia malaria
01:05:01
anemia uh minor cuts and scrapes and
01:05:05
mainly pulmonary respiratory diseases
01:05:07
and and pneumonia and what the
01:05:09
researchers concluded and this was a a
01:05:12
study funded by the Danish government
01:05:15
and Nova nordis which is a vaccine
01:05:17
company and the scientists were all Prov
01:05:19
vacine what they said is this vaccine is
01:05:22
killing more people than the disease
01:05:24
ever were
01:05:26
nobody knew it because nobody Associated
01:05:28
the people who were dying because they
01:05:30
were dying all these different
01:05:32
things were only the unvaccinated kids
01:05:34
so the vaccine had saved them from D
01:05:38
theia tetus and P but it had ruined
01:05:40
their immune system so that they could
01:05:42
not defend themselves against other
01:05:43
diseases and that's the danger of not
01:05:46
having Placebo control trials prior to
01:05:49
introducing the product particularly
01:05:51
when you're going to mandate a product
01:05:52
for healthy people let's um with with
01:05:55
our remaining time here move on to
01:05:57
energy you and the environment you've
01:06:00
got an incredible track record I
01:06:01
remember growing up in New York the
01:06:03
amazing work you did for the Watershed
01:06:06
project and I'll let you expand upon
01:06:08
that in a moment uh but the only
01:06:10
confounding thing I I found in your
01:06:13
position and I'm curious if it's changed
01:06:15
or not is that you spend decades trying
01:06:17
to close the Indian Point Nuclear Power
01:06:20
Plant in a time when clearly nuclear
01:06:23
power has gotten safer and is
01:06:26
clearly I think the world believes and
01:06:28
certainly everybody who's on this panel
01:06:29
believes nuclear is a key Point uh in
01:06:32
the transition to Renewables so what is
01:06:35
your actual position explain it to us as
01:06:38
basically as you can on nuclear power
01:06:41
and do you regret or have you rethought
01:06:44
your position on Indian
01:06:46
Point uh no I mean Indian Point is
01:06:49
leaking trium into the in the Hudson
01:06:52
every every day I don't see how you can
01:06:55
say it's and you know they they still
01:06:57
haven't figured out what to do with the
01:06:58
waste so they're now storing it you know
01:07:01
it's it's 18 miles from Midtown
01:07:04
Manhattan um if a you know the the the
01:07:08
shack where they were sto
01:07:10
storing uh the fuel rods had the
01:07:14
structural Integrity of a
01:07:16
Kmart a terrorist attack against it
01:07:18
would you know would uh basically render
01:07:21
New
01:07:23
York inhab uninhabited for you know the
01:07:26
next 5,000 years or so so to have to to
01:07:30
put to put something that risky so close
01:07:32
to you know 10 million people doesn't
01:07:34
make any sense now nuclear power I'm all
01:07:38
for it if they can ever make it safe or
01:07:41
if they ever make it
01:07:42
economical and it's not me saying it's
01:07:45
unsafe it's the insurance industry they
01:07:47
can't get an insurance policy if they
01:07:49
can't get an insurance policy then I
01:07:51
would say I don't want it the nuclear
01:07:54
American nuclear I mean you go look at
01:07:56
what
01:07:57
Fukushima they're poisoning the Pacific
01:07:59
every day with huge amounts of really
01:08:02
deadly radiation and they and now their
01:08:04
only solution to it is to suck the water
01:08:07
out of the groundwater and store it in
01:08:10
these big tanks and if you just go on
01:08:12
the internet and look at a picture of
01:08:14
the Fukushima water tanks and they go
01:08:16
onto the Horizon and there's no end to
01:08:18
it Robert can I just make a point the
01:08:20
thing with nuclear that's worth
01:08:22
separating
01:08:23
is it's not the fun m al technology
01:08:26
there that's broken in either example
01:08:28
that you use but it's the proident
01:08:31
motive that caused both the industrial
01:08:33
engineering of both plants to be subpar
01:08:37
because Fukushima for example was
01:08:38
engineered not to the seismic levels
01:08:40
that you really needed or elevation yeah
01:08:42
even coning all that here's what I would
01:08:45
say is that you know in our
01:08:49
country there's nuclear is regarded as
01:08:53
so dangerous that they can't get
01:08:56
insurance so the industry had to go to
01:08:58
Congress in a sleazy legislative
01:09:01
maneuver in the middle of the night and
01:09:03
get the price Anderson Act pass so that
01:09:06
there so that to shift their accident
01:09:08
burden onto the American public so if
01:09:11
they plant goes up I and I and I was 10
01:09:14
miles from that plant then I'm going to
01:09:15
have to pay for it so I don't think
01:09:17
that's free market capitalism I
01:09:19
believe in free markets and I can tell
01:09:22
you this there is no public utility on
01:09:24
the face of the earth that will build
01:09:27
one of those plants without massive
01:09:30
public subsidies not one nobody will
01:09:32
ever do it and then they have to store
01:09:35
the waste for the next 30,000 years
01:09:38
which is five times the length of
01:09:39
recorded human history and if you tell
01:09:41
me how that you know if they had to
01:09:44
amortize that raate up front there's no
01:09:47
way anybody do it number two or three or
01:09:50
four or whatever I've gotten to it
01:09:53
caused now between 9 and $16 billion to
01:09:58
build a nuclear power plant just the
01:10:01
construction cost and then you got to
01:10:02
get the technitions and then you've got
01:10:04
to get you know the waste disposal and
01:10:06
the regular outages and all of this
01:10:09
there's no way that it could compete in
01:10:11
a free market I believe in free market
01:10:13
capitalism I am a radical free marketeer
01:10:17
I believe that our Energy System should
01:10:19
reflect the marketplace and they right
01:10:23
now you can build a solar plan
01:10:25
for a billion dollars a gwatt you can
01:10:28
build a wind plant for $1.2 billion a
01:10:31
gwatt a coal plant will cost you about3
01:10:34
and5 billion dollar a gwatt and then you
01:10:36
have to pay for the fuel by cutting down
01:10:39
the mountains of West Virginia poisoning
01:10:42
22,000 miles of the streams burning you
01:10:45
know putting Mercury that gets into
01:10:48
every freshwater fish in America
01:10:49
sterilizing the lakes of the
01:10:51
Appalachians if they had to internalize
01:10:53
that cause coal which says it's the you
01:10:57
know it's or nuke which says it's too
01:11:00
cheap to meter it turns out it's the
01:11:01
most expensive way to boil a pot of
01:11:03
water that's ever been divided I'm just
01:11:05
trying to make the point that if you
01:11:06
look at the levelized cost of energy now
01:11:08
what you're saying is exactly why solar
01:11:10
and wind are winning it's just so much
01:11:12
cleaner it makes so much more sense
01:11:14
there's no fuel cause and if the
01:11:15
impediment is distribution is that we
01:11:19
don't have a grid system that can
01:11:21
effectively you know orchestrate uh
01:11:24
variable power and that's what let let
01:11:27
me provide a counter that maybe it's not
01:11:28
about distribution but it's about
01:11:29
scaling production capacity so you know
01:11:32
if you look over nearly any historical
01:11:34
time scale since we've had industrial
01:11:36
energy production on Earth for every 1%
01:11:40
increase in GDP per capita you see a
01:11:42
roughly 1.2% increase in energy
01:11:44
consumption per capita and so if you
01:11:47
forecast out by the end of the century
01:11:49
the GDP per capita estimates in the US
01:11:52
and around the world we need to increase
01:11:54
global energy production by roughly you
01:11:57
know anywhere from 5 to 10x and you know
01:12:01
the current system of pulling carbon out
01:12:03
of the ground and burning it up and
01:12:04
pulling heat energy out of it doesn't
01:12:06
scale doesn't make sense obviously put
01:12:08
aside the carbon effect problem and
01:12:10
there appears to be you know a
01:12:12
reasonable chance of a pretty serious
01:12:13
material shortage for renewable sources
01:12:16
by the middle of next decade so what do
01:12:18
you think is the right answer to long
01:12:20
range energy security and what sort of
01:12:22
Technology should we be embracing and do
01:12:24
you think that they scale fast enough to
01:12:26
kind of allow us to have our economy
01:12:28
grow in the way that it needs to to
01:12:30
support the the population demands over
01:12:33
the next Century I mean I'm agnostic
01:12:35
about the energy sources and I think you
01:12:38
need to you know you have to be eclectic
01:12:40
about it and a lot of them are are you
01:12:43
know make sense locally but we I mean we
01:12:47
have enough ener we have enough wind
01:12:49
energy in North Dakota North Dakota is
01:12:52
the windiest place on Earth outside of
01:12:54
the Arctic North Dakota Montana and
01:12:57
Texas we have enough wind energy to
01:13:00
produce five times the amount of our
01:13:02
entire grid um the problem is the North
01:13:06
Dakota wind farmer cannot get his
01:13:09
product to Market because it dissipates
01:13:12
in a you know we have an an
01:13:15
anti an or
01:13:17
Antiquated grid system that simply will
01:13:21
not efficiently move electrons across
01:13:23
country and we need a DC grid system
01:13:25
that you know with off ramps in the big
01:13:27
cities Etc that can do that in North
01:13:31
Dakota if you have an acre of Farmland
01:13:34
it's worth about 300 bucks if you put a
01:13:36
wind turbine on it it's worth about
01:13:38
3,200 bucks so every farmer in North
01:13:42
Dakota wants to put wind turbines in
01:13:44
their corn fields and the problem is
01:13:46
they cannot get that energy to Market
01:13:48
that is the only choke point and if we
01:13:52
and the same is true you know in in uh
01:13:54
in you know we have great solar power in
01:13:57
this country um we we have you know we
01:14:01
have an abundance of of renewable energy
01:14:04
in this country and the power the
01:14:06
problem is the incumbents were were were
01:14:10
were operating on rules under rules that
01:14:12
were written by the incumbents to reward
01:14:15
the dirtiest filthiest most poisonous
01:14:17
most toxic fuels from Hell rather than C
01:14:20
cheap clean green wholesome fuels from
01:14:22
heaven and we ought to reverse that and
01:14:25
and make it make them all competitive it
01:14:27
seems like technology and economics have
01:14:29
reversed that in a way yeah yeah one
01:14:31
last question on this so as president
01:14:33
would you support
01:14:35
initiatives that could advance and
01:14:38
allow approval of safe nuclear
01:14:42
fision production systems to be built
01:14:44
here in the US well I I will like like I
01:14:47
say I support
01:14:49
nuke and new technologies of nuke that
01:14:52
are safe you know where they but but as
01:14:55
as long as they can compete in a
01:14:56
Marketplace you show me and by by the
01:14:58
way I think we should be doing science
01:15:00
even when there's no you know economic
01:15:03
end to it so we should be looking at
01:15:05
this stuff but I would not promote nuke
01:15:08
if it's not competitive in the
01:15:09
marketplace and it's you know and and
01:15:11
that means you know cleaning up your
01:15:13
mess after yourself which you know is a
01:15:16
lesson we were all supposed to learn in
01:15:18
kindergarten they have to show us what
01:15:19
they're going to do with the ways how
01:15:21
they're going to internalize their cost
01:15:23
rather than what they're doing now which
01:15:25
is to externalize their cause and
01:15:26
internalize their profits okay we have
01:15:29
covered a lot of territory and I hate to
01:15:32
get to uh controversial ones like
01:15:35
culture wars but it's going to come up
01:15:37
in the presidential election I
01:15:38
personally don't think this is what's
01:15:39
important in the presidential election I
01:15:41
think the fiscal stuff the energy stuff
01:15:44
the the wars and political stuff we've
01:15:46
discussed today are much more important
01:15:48
but I'm curious your take
01:15:51
on the issues around Disney to s
01:15:55
trans uh and this cohort of issues which
01:15:58
have become an obsession it seems
01:16:01
between certain members of certain
01:16:03
political parties or both parties the
01:16:05
media and certainly it's taken over a
01:16:07
lot of discussions amongst the
01:16:09
generation on social media what's your
01:16:12
take on all this and when you get caught
01:16:14
up in these debates in the presidential
01:16:16
debates about trans athletes as put one
01:16:19
example do you think a trans woman who
01:16:23
was a biological man should be able to
01:16:26
be put in a female prison do you think
01:16:29
they should be able to play on a female
01:16:30
basketball team and change with a bunch
01:16:33
of 15-year-old girls in a high school
01:16:35
locker room I've already said first one
01:16:38
want to say this I think that people I
01:16:42
believe in bodily autonomy and that
01:16:44
people's choices about what they want to
01:16:47
do with their body should be respected
01:16:49
and people should not be
01:16:51
shamed I do not believe that uh that
01:16:55
somebody who was born a biological
01:16:57
man should be able to compete later on
01:17:00
in life whatever choice they made on a
01:17:03
woman's team I mean I have a a niece who
01:17:06
is uh playing softball at at
01:17:09
BC she has worked uh she has devoted her
01:17:14
entire life to getting that scholarship
01:17:17
and it's it's consumed her and I've
01:17:20
watched you know during my lifetime
01:17:22
women's sports go from essentially nonex
01:17:25
consistent to to Equitable mainly with
01:17:28
men's sports and I think that's
01:17:30
important and I don't think that you
01:17:32
know um uh women should lose
01:17:36
ground um in in any way so I would you
01:17:39
know I've said I'm I I don't believe
01:17:42
that that's the right thing but I think
01:17:43
everybody should be
01:17:45
respected let me ask a question then uh
01:17:48
about parents who are struggling with
01:17:49
this
01:17:51
issue at what age should a doctor be
01:17:54
allow owed to perform gender
01:17:58
reassignment surgery on a individual you
01:18:02
believe adults so at what age should you
01:18:05
be able to have gender
01:18:07
surgery because this is going to come up
01:18:09
multiple times in this debate I think
01:18:11
adults ought to have that choice uh I
01:18:14
don't think a child should have that
01:18:16
choice um except with you know certainly
01:18:20
not without parent parental permission
01:18:23
and I really don't you know
01:18:25
uh I know that the um the I you know
01:18:30
it's a and let's start by saying this
01:18:32
this is a difficult issue and it's an
01:18:34
issue that we should not be judging
01:18:35
people on and we should not be hating
01:18:37
people about we should be trying to
01:18:41
solve people problems and give people as
01:18:45
much leeway as possible to and as much
01:18:49
respect as much leeway to exercise their
01:18:51
choices and much respect those choices
01:18:53
as we possibly can
01:18:55
um within that framework I don't believe
01:18:57
that it's uh that a child without their
01:18:59
parental permission should be allowed to
01:19:02
choose that kind of surgery because what
01:19:05
if their parents agree to it should a
01:19:06
15-year-old be able to be I that that's
01:19:10
a very difficult question and I I don't
01:19:12
feel like I'm equipped to answer it I'm
01:19:14
not gonna you know interfere there yeah
01:19:17
I think this panel agrees with this is a
01:19:19
very difficult issue and you know people
01:19:21
should be yeah what do you think
01:19:23
about things like critical race Theory
01:19:26
and maybe we can just use that as a way
01:19:28
to just talk about the state of us
01:19:30
education in general are we preparing
01:19:33
our children for the task at
01:19:36
hand and what is the task at hand maybe
01:19:39
in your eyes and how does it need to
01:19:40
change if at all you know I think
01:19:43
critical rise Theory as much as I
01:19:45
understand
01:19:46
it um is you know though listen we
01:19:50
should not be hiding from people we
01:19:52
should be honest people about the
01:19:54
history in this country of genocide of
01:19:56
racism and those things you know we need
01:20:00
to be honest about that with each other
01:20:03
not to shame people not to make people
01:20:05
people feel badly not to make people
01:20:07
feel guilty but to understand the
01:20:10
Milestones that we never want to go near
01:20:12
again and to move forward with those
01:20:15
things I you know in I I don't really
01:20:19
understand the battle over critical race
01:20:21
theory in in schools but you know to the
01:20:24
extent
01:20:25
and somebody would say that this has to
01:20:28
that that theme has to dominate all
01:20:32
historical um teaching I would be
01:20:34
against that I think it's very very
01:20:37
important you know
01:20:39
America our country has has done
01:20:42
wonderful things in the world we have a
01:20:44
history of idealism we have a history of
01:20:46
moral Authority and Leadership and we
01:20:47
have a history of doing bad things to
01:20:50
but I think for children for the sake of
01:20:52
our national Unity for the sake take of
01:20:55
you know for we need to instill children
01:20:58
with a sense of optimism and hope and
01:21:00
love and also a love of history I mean I
01:21:02
grew up learning history and learning
01:21:05
you know kind of the heroic aspects of
01:21:07
History which I Now understand are not
01:21:10
the only parts of History um but it's
01:21:13
really important for children to have
01:21:16
have role models to look up to and to
01:21:19
have an optimistic view of our country
01:21:21
and to have to understand what the
01:21:24
shared values are and by values I mean
01:21:26
aspirational values you know the things
01:21:28
that our country is supposed to stand
01:21:30
for when we are at for example Robert in
01:21:34
the in San Francisco we canel advanced
01:21:36
placement classes because it
01:21:38
made people feel bad do you think that
01:21:41
was a good decision in the name of
01:21:43
equity no we should be inspiring our
01:21:46
children towards excellence and we
01:21:49
should be able to as adults give the
01:21:51
measures of what mean we mean by
01:21:53
excellence
01:21:55
and you know that inspires kids and
01:21:57
inspires the best out of them and you
01:21:59
know we need to we need to have those
01:22:01
kind of metrics so that doesn't make any
01:22:03
sense to me then what's your view on for
01:22:06
example just educational diversity in
01:22:08
charter schools and your just position
01:22:10
on the teachers
01:22:12
unions yeah I mean my view is that we
01:22:14
ought to be putting huge resources into
01:22:17
public
01:22:18
schools and making them the best schools
01:22:21
in the world and I think if we uh uh you
01:22:23
know right now we're making stealth
01:22:26
bombers for a billion dollars that
01:22:29
cannot fly in the rain and I think if we
01:22:32
just cut production of a couple of those
01:22:34
we can make all our schools the best
01:22:36
schools in the world do they need
01:22:37
competition do you believe in vouchers
01:22:40
uh and um parents getting to choose
01:22:41
which school they go to because it does
01:22:43
seem like there's not a lot of
01:22:45
competition and that these teachers
01:22:46
unions have a shangle hold on these
01:22:49
schools I have to look at that issue
01:22:51
more I mean my inclination is that we
01:22:53
should be putting resources into making
01:22:55
our Public Schools the best schools in
01:22:57
the world but you said you believed in
01:22:59
free
01:23:00
markets with regard to energy why not
01:23:03
free markets in regard to education well
01:23:05
it it's it has an appeal I I need to
01:23:07
look at okay fair enough yeah let's talk
01:23:09
about censorship let's talk about the
01:23:10
media one of the things that happened
01:23:12
during the covid pandemic is that a lot
01:23:14
of people grew suspicious of the
01:23:17
mainstream media even more suspicious
01:23:19
than they already had been it seemed
01:23:21
like the media was carrying water on
01:23:23
certain issues it was almost impossible
01:23:25
for the media to take seriously the idea
01:23:28
that the virus might have come from the
01:23:30
Wuhan lab for example people who put
01:23:33
forward that I think reasonable
01:23:35
explanation were called conspiracy
01:23:38
theorists the media didn't want to look
01:23:40
into why for exam just as an example
01:23:43
fouchy lifted Obama's moratorium on gain
01:23:45
of function research couldn't get the
01:23:48
media to really cover whether you know
01:23:50
masking toddlers in school did anything
01:23:55
positive and then you know when we found
01:23:57
out that the MRNA shots didn't prevent
01:24:00
Co the way they said they never even
01:24:03
really asked the CEOs of fizer and these
01:24:06
other companies when did you know this
01:24:08
when did you know that the vaccines
01:24:09
didn't do what you said they're going to
01:24:11
do and I remember at Davos you had a
01:24:13
rebel news it was this Guerilla media
01:24:15
out outfit that accosted Bera the the
01:24:20
CEO of fizer out in the street and they
01:24:22
were just asking him questions that the
01:24:25
media is supposed to ask like you know
01:24:27
when did you know what did you know and
01:24:29
when did you know it with respect to
01:24:31
whether the the vaccines prevented the
01:24:34
spread and you couldn't get the New York
01:24:36
Times or any of the mainstream outl to
01:24:37
cover this at all so it fell to this
01:24:39
Guerilla media outfit so any event
01:24:42
that's a long windup but you know Robert
01:24:44
what's your take on the media why why
01:24:47
can't we get what seems to be honest
01:24:49
media coverage how does this fit into
01:24:51
your theory of regulatory capture who
01:24:53
are they caring water for and
01:24:56
why you know I in 20 um
01:25:02
15 I wrote a book on therasol and there
01:25:05
was a a documentary that came out that
01:25:07
time called Trad mounts it was a really
01:25:09
good um documentary on the the Mercury
01:25:14
uh based um uh preservative that was in
01:25:17
a lot of vaccines at that time and it's
01:25:19
been removed from most except for the
01:25:21
flu vaccine now um but I took that I had
01:25:25
a very close relationship with Roger hes
01:25:28
who was the founder of Fox News I had
01:25:31
this weird relationship because when I
01:25:32
was 19 years old I spent three months in
01:25:34
a tent with him in East Africa and um we
01:25:39
you know he would like when when he
01:25:40
started Fox M he became like Darth Vader
01:25:43
to me and we were anesthetic on every
01:25:46
issue but we always he's was a very
01:25:48
funny guy and very clever but and he was
01:25:51
also very loyal to his friends and he
01:25:53
would make
01:25:54
all of the host of Fox News put me on so
01:25:57
I was the only environmentalist who was
01:25:59
going on Hannity and Bill O'Reilly and
01:26:01
Neil Cavuto ET said regularly like
01:26:03
weekly and he made them do that but I
01:26:06
went to him with this with this
01:26:09
um this movie and showed it to him and
01:26:12
he found it compelling and he had a
01:26:15
relative who he believe was vaccine
01:26:17
injured a very very close relative and
01:26:20
he bought he believed what was going on
01:26:23
and what the documentary you know the
01:26:25
thrust of the documentary was and he
01:26:27
said I cannot let you talk about this on
01:26:30
Fox News I'm sorry the first time he
01:26:32
ever saw me this and he said um if I let
01:26:35
you if any of my hosts let you on to
01:26:37
talk about this I would have to fire
01:26:39
them and he said um and if I didn't F
01:26:43
I'd get a call from rert within 10
01:26:46
minutes and he said to me at that time
01:26:49
that 70% of the revenues for his not on
01:26:53
network work news on um on Prime Time
01:26:58
were pharmaceutical ads and that um that
01:27:03
he said of 22 ad spaces that we sell on
01:27:06
the network news on the Evening News 17
01:27:09
of those are pharmaceutical the we
01:27:11
cannot
01:27:12
afford to um to offend our biggest um
01:27:17
our our biggest uh funer advertisers and
01:27:20
you know I had this interesting
01:27:22
experience with Jake Tapper
01:27:25
where when I worked on my Rolling Stone
01:27:26
article deadly
01:27:28
immunity which was about this secret
01:27:30
meeting that took place in Simpson with
01:27:32
Georgia by CDC and all of the vaccine
01:27:35
companies and FDA Etc where they decided
01:27:38
to hide the autism effect from the
01:27:41
American people and we I got the
01:27:42
transcripts for him and published in
01:27:44
Rolling
01:27:45
Stone and um and Jake Tapper worked for
01:27:49
21 days with me on a on a doc on a
01:27:53
exclusive
01:27:54
story and he was going to add
01:27:57
simultaneously with with rollingstone
01:28:00
publishing it and tap her the night
01:28:02
before it went on he called me in total
01:28:05
distress and he said it's been pulled by
01:28:07
corporate the whole thing is gone he
01:28:09
said never in my career as corporate
01:28:12
killed one of my stories and I'm really
01:28:14
angry and then I called him back the
01:28:16
next day he's never spoken to me again
01:28:19
but you know there are consequences for
01:28:20
these newscasters who depart from the
01:28:23
Orthodoxy
01:28:25
and they know it you know if you look at
01:28:27
Anderson Cooper He's got a now probably
01:28:29
a $13 million a year
01:28:31
salary but if you actually do the math
01:28:34
probably around 10 million of that comes
01:28:36
from fizer which sponsors his show so
01:28:39
you know that's he's working for them
01:28:41
he's not working for us and you know
01:28:44
they know who they're working
01:28:46
for explosive stuff uh and I can't
01:28:50
disagree with you as having been a
01:28:51
publisher my whole career
01:28:54
there why why even why even have
01:28:56
pharmaceutical ads on TV I mean only
01:28:59
doctors can prescribe them yeah it was
01:29:02
illegal prior to 1997 so there's only
01:29:05
two nations in the world that allow
01:29:07
pharmaceutical advertising on TV one is
01:29:10
uh New Zealand and the other is the
01:29:12
United States we both have you know
01:29:14
these huge pharmaceutical sales so we
01:29:16
take three to four times the amount of
01:29:19
pharmaceutical drugs as a European takes
01:29:21
and we have the worst health results we
01:29:24
79th in terms of you know Health impacts
01:29:29
you know Health outcomes among all
01:29:31
nations and so you know and also
01:29:34
pharmaceutical drugs the third biggest
01:29:35
killer of Americans after cancer and
01:29:38
heart attack so it is not helping when
01:29:41
when they when FDA changed that
01:29:43
rule um the AMA was against it like all
01:29:47
the Medical Institution said you can't
01:29:49
do this it is going to destroy Health in
01:29:51
America and but you know they did it and
01:29:54
and the problem is that these um that
01:29:56
the pharmaceutical companies now no not
01:29:58
not only can you know have this platform
01:30:00
for broadcasting their product but they
01:30:04
also control content on the ask question
01:30:07
as far as I can tell I think the left
01:30:10
just to be blunt hates you more than the
01:30:15
right and so do you want to just comment
01:30:18
on your ability to get the mainstream
01:30:21
media to pay attention particularly
01:30:23
folks on the left and give you the air
01:30:25
time so that you can get your message up
01:30:27
and how much the party matters in this
01:30:29
process for you I don't know that
01:30:30
they're going to I mean it was kind of
01:30:32
traumatic what happened this week to
01:30:34
them not to me because I'm used to it
01:30:37
that ABC you know one of their the a
01:30:40
person who describes
01:30:42
herself as the journalist journalist and
01:30:45
gave me a long talk when I got to
01:30:48
ABC um that uh when I got to The Green
01:30:52
Room that she was not somebody who would
01:30:54
ever censor or cut and they're not
01:30:56
working a cherry pick cuz I said to her
01:30:58
I don't I'm very uncomfortable doing a
01:31:00
taped interview with you I know what you
01:31:03
guys do when I tape an interview you cut
01:31:05
it up you cherry pick it you Dice it and
01:31:07
you do and you then you play things out
01:31:09
of context and she said you won't do
01:31:11
this see that from me I'm a journalist
01:31:13
journalist I don't take orders from
01:31:15
anybody I do and then she asked me she
01:31:19
says you know in the interview I didn't
01:31:22
want to talk about vaccinees I'm not
01:31:23
going around the country talking about
01:31:25
vaccines if you see my speeches I'm I
01:31:28
don't mention vaccines I but if somebody
01:31:31
ask me about vaccines I'm going to tell
01:31:33
the truth I'm not looking to talk about
01:31:34
them I know a lot about them but I'm not
01:31:36
leading with that because I I'm
01:31:39
interested in a lot of other issues oh
01:31:41
she says um everything you've said about
01:31:45
vaccin about vaccines and autism has
01:31:47
been debunked and um you know vaccines
01:31:51
is clear do not cause autism what you
01:31:54
have to say by that and then I said by
01:31:58
who and then I went into a long diet
01:32:00
triap where I cited the cases the dates
01:32:03
the
01:32:04
Publications and the studies that show
01:32:06
that yeah obviously it caused autism and
01:32:10
she cut out that whole section and then
01:32:13
and then so she had her question which
01:32:18
stated at the industry talking point and
01:32:20
then she brackets the the
01:32:24
news report on me with something at the
01:32:27
beginning that says you know he's known
01:32:29
to be a chronic liar and a
01:32:30
disinformation spreader and in the end
01:32:33
she said we had to remove things he said
01:32:35
because they were false the whole thing
01:32:38
was so weird that she has gotten
01:32:40
criticism even from the left because you
01:32:42
know I mean what is a news caster
01:32:45
supposed to do are they supposed to
01:32:47
manipulate public information is their
01:32:49
job to protect Americans from dangerous
01:32:52
thoughts are the audience a es do they
01:32:54
have such contempt for their audiences
01:32:57
that they think that the audiences can't
01:32:59
make up their own minds and what is
01:33:00
their whole Vision about the traditional
01:33:04
role of the American Media as the
01:33:06
Guardians of free speech in the first
01:33:08
amendment in this country well you can
01:33:09
be sure our commitment to you is to not
01:33:11
take out one sentence of anything you
01:33:13
said there's some stuff I'd like you to
01:33:15
take
01:33:17
out I mean I also found that a crazy
01:33:20
decision for them to make if you're if
01:33:23
they believe that what you're saying
01:33:25
about vaccines which they put on the
01:33:27
table is incorrect or what you said
01:33:30
about autism or covid is incorrect they
01:33:33
should be trained enough to rebut it and
01:33:37
have a thoughtful debate about you I'll
01:33:38
be even more blunt my my short takeaway
01:33:42
about you Robert is that you are this
01:33:45
odd person which is Born and Raised by
01:33:48
The
01:33:49
Establishment but raising a lot of very
01:33:52
uncomfortable questions about the EST
01:33:53
lishment and I think that that's very
01:33:55
complicated for people to deal with and
01:33:57
I don't think that folks will be very
01:34:00
supportive you in the mainstream and I
01:34:02
think the reason is because it'll cause
01:34:04
them to question all these systems that
01:34:06
they put a lot of trust into that they
01:34:08
work
01:34:09
within and so I I'm not even sure
01:34:12
whether they're trying to play gotta
01:34:13
journalism about vaccines or which is a
01:34:15
much bigger thing which is here is a guy
01:34:18
that I do think it's very similar to
01:34:20
Trump that says he came out of the house
01:34:22
and told us what was happening in the
01:34:24
house and it actually turned out that
01:34:25
was happening the Dave Chappelle quote
01:34:26
from Saturday Night Live I think you're
01:34:28
a very different person than him but
01:34:30
that comment is very much the same I
01:34:32
think people are attracted to the truth
01:34:35
and the confirmatory evidence about when
01:34:37
they think that there's frankly
01:34:39
corruption and when it's laid bare in
01:34:42
plain
01:34:43
English I think it's validating for
01:34:45
those on the outside because we're like
01:34:46
we knew it and then for folks on the
01:34:48
inside they're like we need to bury it
01:34:50
and I think that that's what you're
01:34:51
going to be up against this entire
01:34:52
election cycle so whether it's us
01:34:55
whether it's Rogan folks that'll give
01:34:57
you the chance for you to just lay your
01:34:59
case out for millions of people who can
01:35:02
smartly and intelligently make up their
01:35:04
decision I think that's what it comes
01:35:05
down to so I really just want to say
01:35:07
thank you
01:35:08
for giving us so much time and just
01:35:11
being as honest as you were and
01:35:12
transparent as you were Sax's closing
01:35:14
thoughts here with yeah I agree with
01:35:17
that I mean I think I think that's a a
01:35:19
great reference jamath to to the
01:35:22
Chappelle quote
01:35:24
I think that the ABC news interview was
01:35:27
really telling because I think it's one
01:35:29
thing if they had edited the interview
01:35:31
for time and just cut certain things but
01:35:34
they didn't do that they cut out your
01:35:37
side of the conversation and then
01:35:39
declared you guilty of misinformation
01:35:43
but not letting the audience hear what
01:35:44
it is that you said they simply declared
01:35:46
you guilty of it and I think in that
01:35:49
case I think this is an example of how
01:35:51
dissenting views are labeled as
01:35:54
misinformation as really a suppression
01:35:57
tactic you know they they can't prove
01:35:59
that it was misinformation they didn't
01:36:00
give you the chance to to say your your
01:36:03
side of it and I think this is a tactic
01:36:05
now of the elite to declare certain
01:36:08
inconvenient truths or viewpoints out of
01:36:11
bounds they don't want them being
01:36:13
considered and I think what's very
01:36:15
interesting about your campaign is you
01:36:17
are going to force I think Elites and
01:36:21
you know various kinds foreign policy
01:36:23
Elites Anderson Cooper political Elites
01:36:26
media Elites Financial consider views
01:36:29
that you know whether you agree with
01:36:31
them or not I think you've made them in
01:36:32
a very articulate way and I know enough
01:36:34
about certain of your views like uh with
01:36:38
respect to the origins of the Ukraine
01:36:39
war to say yeah I I agree with that I
01:36:41
believe that's true so I don't think
01:36:43
they can dismiss you today's conspiracy
01:36:45
theories sax as we've talked about are
01:36:47
tomorrow's piters today's conspiracy
01:36:49
theories are tomorrow's piters go ahead
01:36:51
Jamal I really think that this is what's
01:36:53
going to scary as if you're as this
01:36:56
election kind of rules forward the
01:36:58
contrast and compare on the Democratic
01:37:00
side is going to be very Troublesome to
01:37:02
The Establishment and I just encourage
01:37:04
you to
01:37:05
just just keep sticking to it and
01:37:08
telling people what you think freberg
01:37:10
any final thoughts as we wrap can I say
01:37:11
one last thing in my
01:37:14
defense and I I want to because this is
01:37:16
such a great platform what I've always
01:37:19
said to people you know if I'm if I'm
01:37:22
promoting misinformation which I'm
01:37:23
constantly accused of show me what it is
01:37:27
identify don't just say I'm an inform
01:37:30
misinformation promoter show me the
01:37:31
piece that you don't agree with or that
01:37:34
you know I I made a false statement I
01:37:37
would say that I have not promoted any
01:37:40
misinformation if if unless
01:37:42
misinformation is just a euphemism for
01:37:45
anything that departs from government
01:37:47
orthodoxies every po I have probably the
01:37:50
most robust factchecking operation
01:37:53
in North America because I know these
01:37:56
attacks are coming so we have 300 over
01:37:58
320 MD Physicians PhD scientists on my
01:38:02
Advisory Board who see everything that
01:38:04
goes out and everything that I posted on
01:38:07
Instagram was cited or sories for to a
01:38:09
government PA database or peer-reviewed
01:38:12
publication I don't let anything and by
01:38:15
the way that doesn't mean I won't make a
01:38:16
mistake at some point but guess what if
01:38:19
I made a mistake people would point it
01:38:21
out and you know what I would do I
01:38:23
change it and apolog change your opinion
01:38:26
in the face of new facts exactly I you
01:38:29
show me fact that's the only thing
01:38:31
that'll change my opinion show me facts
01:38:33
and I will change it so fast but you
01:38:35
know you need to show me facts so just
01:38:38
on on the competition between you and
01:38:40
Biden for this nomination I want to say
01:38:42
that the Kennedy family has been
01:38:44
involved in public life for for decades
01:38:46
and many Kennedy has served in public
01:38:49
life and I honestly don't remember one
01:38:52
time with any candidate who served in
01:38:55
public life where they've been accused
01:38:58
of receiving money from a foreign
01:39:00
government not once and we're now up to
01:39:03
12 bidens I think who've received a
01:39:06
payment you know from foreign
01:39:08
governments potentially in this larger
01:39:10
Hunter Biden scandal do you have a point
01:39:12
of view on that I
01:39:13
mean the fact that it appears that
01:39:16
Hunter Biden and other members of the B
01:39:18
and family receive payments from foreign
01:39:20
governments is that how do you interpret
01:39:22
that is that something that you think is
01:39:24
fair game in this campaign to talk about
01:39:27
I I you know I don't know enough about
01:39:29
it David to be able to render judgment
01:39:33
on it I don't know the intricacies of
01:39:35
those relationships I I think the Optics
01:39:38
are are unfortunate um but uh you know I
01:39:43
would leave it I think it is fair game
01:39:44
for people who are looking into it to to
01:39:47
criticize and question it I don't know
01:39:49
enough about I'm not in the position to
01:39:51
be able to do that all right on that I
01:39:55
would just like to say I grew up in a
01:39:57
Catholic household Irish Catholic in
01:40:00
Brooklyn on the wall in my grandmother
01:40:03
and
01:40:03
grandfather's dining room were three
01:40:06
people Bobby Kennedy Robert Kennedy and
01:40:09
Jesus Christ it's been an honor to have
01:40:11
you on the program and thank you for
01:40:12
giving us two hours of vibrant debate we
01:40:15
wish you well and we'd like to have you
01:40:16
on again and perhaps if this platform
01:40:19
allows sep for debates and they will not
01:40:22
host you on the debates we will here on
01:40:24
the all-in podcast I'll let you go and
01:40:27
uh on behalf of all the besties thank
01:40:29
you for giving us two hours and deeply
01:40:32
engaging on these topics fantastic thank
01:40:35
you I really enjoyed
01:40:36
it all right this I think went
01:40:39
spectacularly well let's go around the
01:40:41
horn here and get immediate reactions
01:40:43
fredberg I want to start with you
01:40:44
because I think you on the science
01:40:48
issues maybe held back a little bit and
01:40:50
let him speak yeah we didn't have much
01:40:52
of a dialogue with him say we we we all
01:40:54
kind of had a few opening statements but
01:40:57
let him kind of speak his mind I don't
01:40:59
know we'll see how the episode plays
01:41:02
with listeners it was really him having
01:41:05
a platform to speak his mind for the
01:41:07
past you know two hours and you know
01:41:09
it's interesting I mean obviously he's a
01:41:11
candidate that's challenging the the
01:41:12
current sitting president for his own
01:41:14
party's
01:41:15
nomination so you know really kind of
01:41:19
you know interesting moment to
01:41:21
participate in and you know but we did
01:41:22
kind of give the platform to kind of
01:41:24
speak his mind I think my observation is
01:41:26
this guy Robert clearly has a very deep
01:41:31
rooted anti-establishment
01:41:33
energy and that plays through in many of
01:41:36
his Points of View anti-establishment
01:41:38
kind
01:41:41
of energy I think manifests as both
01:41:44
conspiracy theories where you know as
01:41:47
people have kind of classified some of
01:41:49
his
01:41:50
claims which typically you know invol
01:41:53
involves looking at call it correlation
01:41:55
or circumstance but not necessarily
01:41:57
having the causality or the tie to
01:42:00
demonstrate or or have proof of of point
01:42:03
or or evidence of point and I think that
01:42:05
that's really where he trips me up on a
01:42:07
couple of points personally which ones
01:42:10
would you say are the points that trip
01:42:11
you up most Where Were You Like H I
01:42:13
think the general statement that there
01:42:16
are kind of you know embedded interests
01:42:19
in government is a good general
01:42:21
statement then when you start to try tie
01:42:23
together different kind of correlations
01:42:26
or circumstances and say that's evidence
01:42:27
it's not really it it doesn't resonate
01:42:30
true with me as someone who who likes to
01:42:32
kind of see empirical truth kind of be
01:42:35
demonstrated I think some of these
01:42:36
points around we know that pfoas one you
01:42:39
know one of these products one of these
01:42:40
chemistries he talked about that's in
01:42:42
the environment they are very damaging
01:42:44
to the environment they're very damaging
01:42:45
to human health and there are others
01:42:46
that he makes claims around that don't
01:42:48
have that same level of evidence but
01:42:49
they all get kind of bucketed together
01:42:51
that all this stuff is bad that all
01:42:53
nuclear is bad because there you know is
01:42:55
a a facility that was built in the 1950s
01:42:59
and 1960s that had some degree of bad
01:43:01
engineering and what some might argue
01:43:03
isn't necessarily a major hazardous
01:43:06
radioactive leak but has above kind of
01:43:08
standards of radiation leak and
01:43:09
therefore all nuclear is threatening
01:43:11
those are the sorts of things that kind
01:43:12
of trip me up with him that one Tri me
01:43:14
up a little bit yeah as
01:43:16
well the nuclear issue the thing that
01:43:18
matters to me this is all just [ __ ]
01:43:20
talking rambling about social issues and
01:43:22
you you know like what the [ __ ] are we
01:43:24
going to do with education and Wars none
01:43:25
of it [ __ ] matters if we cannot solve
01:43:29
the debt and budget crisis problem in
01:43:32
this country we are running into the
01:43:35
ground the United States
01:43:37
isic I know you do and and I think the
01:43:40
US is in a Titanic unack that then your
01:43:42
key issue so for me this is the thing
01:43:44
that I told you guys I'm focused on with
01:43:46
every candidate is how much do you think
01:43:48
about the prioritization of the fiscal
01:43:51
the federal budget how do you think
01:43:52
about the level and how do you think
01:43:54
about the boundary conditions and it's
01:43:55
clear that that's not really a concrete
01:43:58
part of his platform nor is it by the
01:43:59
way for any other candidate that I've
01:44:01
seen so far so that's kind of where I
01:44:04
sit and it's very unpopular chamath
01:44:06
let's have your response here too to
01:44:09
opinion I just think that your opinion
01:44:10
is an opinion and you present it as this
01:44:13
canonical fact and that's what I have an
01:44:15
issue with I just think that's
01:44:16
intellectually not accurate so I respect
01:44:19
the fact that you think that that's an
01:44:21
issue but I think there's a lot of smart
01:44:23
people that would say that's not the
01:44:24
issue that you think it is and there are
01:44:26
other issues where did you find yourself
01:44:28
chamath in this process agreeing with
01:44:31
him or disagreeing with him all
01:44:34
political
01:44:35
candidates at some point have a fork in
01:44:37
the road which is that they're going to
01:44:40
be a truth teller of their own
01:44:43
truth or they're going to be conformist
01:44:48
to talking points to try to offend the
01:44:50
least amount of people okay and the
01:44:54
first path is much riskier but it
01:44:57
actually has much larger discontinuous
01:44:59
outcomes I.E
01:45:01
Trump the other path is a good antidote
01:45:05
to the first
01:45:07
path when the first path is what's in
01:45:09
power and you saw Biden take that
01:45:11
path so for me I don't agree with some
01:45:15
of the things that he said in fact there
01:45:17
are things like nuclear which I just
01:45:19
think he's wrong about sure but what do
01:45:22
I appreciate is that there is a version
01:45:25
of his
01:45:26
truth that is researched and reasoned
01:45:30
from his own lived experience as well as
01:45:33
history and facts and then he's also
01:45:36
willing to say I just don't know enough
01:45:37
about it so let me rethink it and then
01:45:39
come back to you I thought the comment
01:45:41
about you know school choice was an
01:45:43
example right and and I think that
01:45:46
that's healthy so on
01:45:47
balance I would rather have candidates
01:45:50
in that first bucket which are truth
01:45:53
tellers that have the potential to cause
01:45:56
disagreement versus the platers who say
01:46:00
nothing and this is where I do agree
01:46:02
with freeberg whatever the issues are
01:46:04
that may be important the point is
01:46:06
plating doesn't work anymore and you
01:46:09
need some kind
01:46:11
of Confrontation on hard topics for
01:46:15
there to be any progress now and so I
01:46:18
prefer those kinds of people that are
01:46:21
able to draw a hard line agitator
01:46:23
non conform and I personally am so I've
01:46:27
always been and I have been very
01:46:28
anti-establishment the idea of tearing
01:46:31
down all these institutions of power
01:46:33
gives me Glee I find it gleeful saxs
01:46:37
when we look at this this incredible you
01:46:39
know almost two-hour conversation we had
01:46:41
here I I think we did hold him and force
01:46:44
him on C certain issues more than you
01:46:46
would normally get an an interview
01:46:48
without being Sensational we didn't lead
01:46:49
with vaccines we didn't lead with
01:46:52
culture wars we talked about really
01:46:53
important issues where did you find
01:46:55
yourself in most agreement with him and
01:46:57
where did you find yourself in least
01:46:59
agreement with him well I I want to make
01:47:01
sure we see the forest for the trees
01:47:02
here because I think you can disagree
01:47:04
with this or that tree or you can get
01:47:06
lost down the rabbit hole of some of
01:47:07
these very technical scientific debates
01:47:10
but here's the farest is you've got this
01:47:13
Sion of wealth and privilege who comes
01:47:15
from the most prominent famous
01:47:18
Democratic family and he was set in his
01:47:21
life to go become an environmental law
01:47:23
who go fight against big corporate
01:47:25
environmental polluters and somewhere
01:47:27
along the way he realized it wasn't just
01:47:30
big corporations was the problem it was
01:47:32
the the agencies the government agencies
01:47:33
that were supposed to be regulating them
01:47:35
and he realized that there was a
01:47:36
revolving door going on between industry
01:47:39
and these agencies and so he ended up
01:47:41
litigating not just against big
01:47:43
companies but against government
01:47:44
agencies I think that's a really
01:47:46
interesting place for a candidate to
01:47:49
come from and what you heard him say or
01:47:52
what what I took away from it is that he
01:47:54
has a very sophisticated critique of
01:47:57
regulatory capture and it goes beyond
01:47:59
just the environmental area it goes also
01:48:02
to Big Pharma and it goes to the
01:48:04
military-industrial complex when he's
01:48:06
talking about all these unnecessary Wars
01:48:09
that the United States has gotten into
01:48:11
and who can doubt that after we spent 20
01:48:13
years and8 trillion bogged down in
01:48:16
Forever wars in the Middle East who can
01:48:18
doubt that the military industrial
01:48:20
complex has played a malign role in our
01:48:23
foreign policy and we've got you know
01:48:26
all these generals when they retire from
01:48:27
the Pentagon they go right onto the
01:48:29
boards of these defense contractors so
01:48:31
there's enough right about his critique
01:48:34
that I think you can't dismiss it you
01:48:36
can't just say this guy's a conspiracy
01:48:37
theorist or a nut he's saying too many
01:48:40
things that I know to be true and
01:48:42
there's a lot of other areas where I
01:48:44
don't know what the truth is but he is
01:48:46
making I'd say sensible arguments and
01:48:48
he's presenting data and he's asking you
01:48:50
to challenge him on the data so in event
01:48:53
I think he's got this very interesting
01:48:55
critique of regulatory capture what he's
01:48:58
basically saying is that we have a
01:49:00
ruling Elite in this country that is
01:49:02
managing the country for its own benefit
01:49:04
and that is screwing the middle class
01:49:06
and that critique actually is very
01:49:08
similar to what Trump and disantis and
01:49:10
people on the right are saying the only
01:49:12
difference is that I think people on the
01:49:14
right are blaming ideology they're
01:49:16
saying that the ruling Elite is
01:49:17
following this woke ideology what
01:49:20
Kennedy is saying that is that the
01:49:21
ruling class is is following the money
01:49:23
but you know what they could both be
01:49:25
right I think these critiques are very
01:49:27
compatible so look you might disagree
01:49:30
with this or that part of it but I think
01:49:32
that this overall critique the forest
01:49:34
you know forget about the trees I think
01:49:36
this Forest could find purchase with the
01:49:39
electorate because I think people just
01:49:41
feel like there's something true about
01:49:43
this what I will say is this is exactly
01:49:45
how Trump got elected and there was a
01:49:47
great piece I think it was in the
01:49:48
Atlantic when he was running the first
01:49:50
time around that talked a lot about the
01:49:53
psychology of his appeal that he comes
01:49:56
from wealth he comes from the system but
01:49:59
he is the anti-stem system product that
01:50:02
he came out of this machine of wealth
01:50:05
this machine of Industry this machine of
01:50:07
influence and he said this entire system
01:50:10
needs to be torn down and if by the way
01:50:12
the psychology that they highlighted and
01:50:14
and it speaks to Trump not necessarily
01:50:16
to Robert but what they highlighted was
01:50:18
if you look historically at the rise of
01:50:20
authoritarian regimes um coming out of
01:50:23
democracies it's typically the folks
01:50:25
that come from an influence of from a
01:50:27
point of influence and from the point of
01:50:29
privilege and power and they then
01:50:31
decided they wanted to tear down the
01:50:33
system that produced them and you trust
01:50:35
the bully that comes out of the machine
01:50:38
versus The Outsider who doesn't really
01:50:39
know the machine and doesn't really have
01:50:41
access and that's partially why I think
01:50:43
maybe he has a shot at being the
01:50:46
anti-biden alternative more so perhaps
01:50:48
in this go around than Trump is look he
01:50:51
he's not a bully and he's he's not going
01:50:53
to tear everything down listen I and
01:50:55
I've heard him on other interviews and
01:50:57
what he said is we need a peaceful
01:50:58
Revolution we need to reorganize these
01:51:00
government agencies so he's not saying
01:51:02
like so maybe that's why he does win
01:51:04
over Trump right maybe he becomes the
01:51:06
less extreme he's not the bully but he's
01:51:08
like I know how to dismantle and and you
01:51:10
know are quite they're incredible Free
01:51:14
Speech supporting the rule of law
01:51:16
burgeoning the middle class I mean these
01:51:19
are not things that are really
01:51:20
controversial in the end they're good
01:51:22
moral
01:51:24
very morally grounded I think my concern
01:51:26
is just the framework for how you kind
01:51:28
of rationalize and make decisions if
01:51:31
you're allowing kind of influence in
01:51:34
uendo and correlation be kind of the
01:51:37
driving force instead of having you know
01:51:39
make sure you just at least gather and
01:51:42
and sort the empirical evidence to make
01:51:44
those decisions that's what he's doing
01:51:45
he just reached a different conclusion
01:51:47
than you yeah he's just exactly cuz he's
01:51:49
saying that the other conclusion is just
01:51:50
the Orthodox conclusion which is nothing
01:51:52
to here yeah by the way I'm not an
01:51:54
orthodox guy and I'm not like following
01:51:56
orxy folks have said you're pushing
01:52:01
RFK because you think he's a weaker
01:52:04
candidate against the Republicans your
01:52:07
response no I don't necessarily think
01:52:09
he'd be a weaker candidate for all the
01:52:10
reasons we're talking about I think he'd
01:52:11
be preferable to to Biden in a lot of
01:52:13
people's views so so look for me this is
01:52:17
not like partisan I just think he's
01:52:19
really interesting I think he is a
01:52:20
breath of fresh air I think there are
01:52:23
many aspects of his critique of our
01:52:25
system and the corruption of our ruling
01:52:27
class that hit home I think regulatory
01:52:30
capture is a huge issue I think a lot of
01:52:32
these agencies do need to be reorganized
01:52:34
well it is the invisible hand that we
01:52:35
don't know how to quantify well in all
01:52:37
these other discussions that we have and
01:52:40
he does put his finger on this really
01:52:42
ugly uncomfortable truth which is
01:52:43
there's a cloistered set of insiders for
01:52:46
which there's a revolving door between
01:52:48
power and money and that's going to be
01:52:51
very awkward for a small small number of
01:52:53
people to hear that message as he gets
01:52:55
more attention which is probably why the
01:52:58
media industrial complex will not you
01:53:00
know will do his best to prevent that
01:53:02
message from getting out there the media
01:53:04
is going to block this guy at every
01:53:07
angle because when he said podcast could
01:53:09
play a huge role just like in 2016
01:53:11
social media broke through and played a
01:53:12
huge role I think in 2024 I think that
01:53:15
podcast could
01:53:17
break the way that unorthodox candidates
01:53:20
get their message out could Cates get
01:53:22
message out because if after 2 hours of
01:53:24
this you don't want to learn more about
01:53:26
him or you're not going to consider him
01:53:28
more fully I think it's impossible
01:53:30
because he's so well spoken as you said
01:53:32
he's got a moral compass he's got a
01:53:34
track record and he's got critique what
01:53:36
he isn't saying is he's not just
01:53:38
throwing bombs and there may be things
01:53:42
that you can debate with him about his
01:53:45
interpretation of what he looks at you
01:53:48
know and that's very fair criticism I
01:53:49
think but his critique is well reasoned
01:53:52
and so you have to unpack the nuances of
01:53:54
it to understand why he got to it and
01:53:56
also to try to prove him wrong that is
01:53:58
very powerful because it's not just him
01:54:02
randomly screaming about how things
01:54:04
aren't working no and and I the moments
01:54:07
I thought were very important here and
01:54:09
especially for the listeners who are
01:54:10
listening who are making important
01:54:11
decisions and want to maybe change the
01:54:13
political system there were multiple
01:54:15
times on the issue of trans surgery and
01:54:17
I'm going to be very nuanced here with
01:54:19
the permission of the parents he said I
01:54:21
need to do more research on it on
01:54:22
freeberg challenging him about spending
01:54:26
spending he said I need to I need to
01:54:27
give that some more thought but broadly
01:54:29
speaking you know I think we can take
01:54:30
money out of the military budget and
01:54:32
billion dollar planes that don't fly in
01:54:33
the rain there were many moments where
01:54:35
he he conceded I I need to give that
01:54:37
some more thought I need to be
01:54:38
thoughtful about that that's not
01:54:40
something that you typically hear but in
01:54:42
a platform like this with you know the
01:54:46
Nuance that we've created on this
01:54:48
platform having discussions and the
01:54:50
audience also being nuanced and having
01:54:53
depth we know the fans of this podcast
01:54:55
are in a lot of positions of power I'm
01:54:57
sure 100% or very high percentage of the
01:54:59
people who listen to this podcast
01:55:00
actually vote and are very influential
01:55:03
within their own circles I think this
01:55:05
kind of platform we have a very deep
01:55:07
discussion and somebody can say you know
01:55:09
what I need to go deeper on that and
01:55:10
think about it when I asked him about
01:55:12
weapons in Taiwan and then I said hey
01:55:14
why wouldn't you give an answer that you
01:55:16
would defend Taiwan Biden gave it said
01:55:18
well I don't want to tip my cards you
01:55:19
wouldn't want to do that that's a really
01:55:20
good answer by the way the official the
01:55:22
official policy of the United States
01:55:24
towards Taiwan is strategic ambiguity
01:55:26
which means we don't say whether we'll
01:55:27
defend it it depends on the
01:55:29
circumstances and and Biden when he he's
01:55:31
now said multiple times that he would
01:55:33
defend it and his own staff walked it
01:55:34
back because they said we're not
01:55:36
changing strategic ambiguity so yeah I
01:55:39
mean the policy he said in that case
01:55:41
actually is the United States policy so
01:55:43
let me ask you guys a question if he won
01:55:45
the Democratic
01:55:47
nomination and he's up against Trump who
01:55:49
do you vote for obviously at this point
01:55:53
yeah of course RFK and I think sax would
01:55:55
have a hard time he wouldn't say who
01:55:57
he's voted for previously I think sax
01:55:58
would vote RFK is not gonna say are you
01:56:01
are you gonna say or no saak doesn't
01:56:02
like to say he's justan I'm reserving
01:56:05
judgment on the general until I know who
01:56:06
both candidates are okay he won't even
01:56:08
sax won't even tell us who vot who he
01:56:10
voted for I would love for RFK Jr to be
01:56:12
on the ballot and have that choice for
01:56:15
sure and and it's possible I would it's
01:56:17
possible I would vote for him it depends
01:56:19
who the other person is is it really CU
01:56:20
you wouldn't even tell us who you vot
01:56:22
for or if you voted in the last election
01:56:24
well that's my right Jason I don't have
01:56:25
to tell you I just think it's it's
01:56:27
intellectually dishonest since you talk
01:56:29
about politics so much that I do I think
01:56:31
you should tell us who you
01:56:33
voted I talk about issues how I decide
01:56:35
to balance those issues because every
01:56:38
candidate is a complex mix of issues
01:56:41
that's ultimately my decision somebody
01:56:43
who injects everything to not just say
01:56:46
inject it I'm not the one injecting so
01:56:48
to follow up on the question I asked I
01:56:51
would love to see Donald Trump come on
01:56:52
the show and give him an opportunity to
01:56:55
have a conversation and see if folks can
01:56:57
have a different point of view coming
01:56:59
out of that as well as Joe Biden and
01:57:02
maybe some of the other candidates
01:57:03
running for the Republican nomination
01:57:06
and I want to see if the the points
01:57:08
of focus for us can you know maybe uh
01:57:13
match up with one or more of these
01:57:15
candidates so far n will come on right
01:57:19
with think yeah so Nikki Hal's in and
01:57:22
then Trump will do it and then Biden
01:57:24
will not Trump will do it I think Trump
01:57:26
would do it because he somebody would I
01:57:28
mean he had he had he did something with
01:57:29
Bart stol right Jason do you wanna do
01:57:32
you want me to do the announcement on
01:57:33
the The Summit oh please okay
01:57:39
so we are confirmed and signed on our
01:57:43
venue and so we are confirmed for Allin
01:57:46
Summit 2023 in Los Angeles September
01:57:50
10th through 12th secure the bag baby
01:57:54
let's go we'll put out the um and I
01:57:56
think it's going to be really exciting
01:57:59
because we'll have an opportunity to at
01:58:00
this point in the year we have a lot of
01:58:03
time to put together a really high
01:58:04
quality agenda for conversations we each
01:58:07
want to have with really amazing people
01:58:09
so I'm excited about that we've kind of
01:58:11
started to put together some ideas on
01:58:13
what we want to talk about who we want
01:58:15
to invite to have those conversations
01:58:16
with us put out some invites so very
01:58:18
good job by the way and you'll be
01:58:19
leading your lead this is your AI Summit
01:58:21
so so I'm I'm handing everything off to
01:58:24
you I'm helping with the parties
01:58:25
basically but you're driving
01:58:27
congratulations your team is exceptional
01:58:28
I just want to let the audience know
01:58:30
we're doing we're doing it together and
01:58:32
I'm I'm I'm stepping back and letting
01:58:34
you drive I consider this like your I
01:58:36
care very deeply about content and I
01:58:38
want to you know make sure that we
01:58:39
chance to have yeah the experience and
01:58:41
have a chance to have the conversations
01:58:42
we want to have with the folks we want
01:58:44
to talk with so nothing could be better
01:58:46
than you building on top of the first
01:58:47
one and then we just keep going from
01:58:49
there chamath and sax if they want to
01:58:50
build on it from there there'll be three
01:58:52
this is what everybody wants to know is
01:58:53
tickets there's going to be three ticket
01:58:54
tiers there'll still be a VIP one for
01:58:56
7500 that gets you into the dinners oh
01:58:58
sorry yeah that that's that's an
01:58:59
important point the VIP experience this
01:59:01
year we got some feedback on the last go
01:59:03
around um that we needed to make sure
01:59:05
there was a degree of differentiation so
01:59:06
the VIP experience will include special
01:59:09
VIP dinners early access to the theater
01:59:12
gift bags special sections during the
01:59:14
parties so hopefully it elevates the
01:59:16
experience a bit for folks that are able
01:59:18
to pay the higher ticket fee which
01:59:20
actually helps support the whole program
01:59:22
no bottle service I mean bottle service
01:59:24
if you bring your card but hopefully as
01:59:25
a as a way to kind of support the
01:59:27
overall program and keep the cost down
01:59:28
for everyone else and then it's $1,500
01:59:30
general admission pass which includes
01:59:32
access to the parties and then we'll
01:59:33
still have the scholarship class can I
01:59:35
tell you guys a funny story yeah when I
01:59:37
joined the ownership group that bought
01:59:39
the Warriors I heard a rumor which was
01:59:42
that when we were competing it was us
01:59:44
versus Ellison to buy the Warriors and
01:59:48
Ellison had an idea I don't know if this
01:59:49
is true or not this is what I heard that
01:59:51
he had a he had had a idea for a new
01:59:53
stadium and he's like he wanted to make
01:59:55
it an ultra VIP stadium and so there's
01:59:58
only 5,000 seats and they all were like
02:00:01
Singapore Airlines first class seats so
02:00:04
you go into the stadium to watch but it'
02:00:07
be like everybody would be like up close
02:00:09
and you could touch and outside they
02:00:10
also had a thousand guillotines so you
02:00:13
could just yeah I mean it's hard enough
02:00:15
for a family to go see I don't know if
02:00:17
that's true or not but I I thought it
02:00:18
was very funny tickets are crazy
02:00:20
expensive now it's like cra hundreds of
02:00:22
dollars for no bleed seats for the
02:00:24
dictator Troth
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poopaa for David saaks who set up this
02:00:29
episode and fredberg the Sultan of
02:00:33
science uh we hope you enjoy this it's
02:00:34
the first of many to come we will still
02:00:36
be doing regular dockets we might have
02:00:38
to go to two episodes a week on weeks
02:00:40
like this who knows but give us your
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feedback share the show and we'll see
02:00:44
you all at the all in
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Summit let your winners
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ride Rainman d
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and in said we open source it to the
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fans and they've just gone crazy with it
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love
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youen besties
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are that's my dog taking
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driveways oh
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man we should all just get a room and
02:01:20
just have one big huge orgy cuz they're
02:01:21
all usess it's like this like sexual
02:01:23
tension that they just need to release
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Som we need to get merch
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our going in
