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What Good News on the Economy Means for Investors

January 23, 2024 / 08:12

This episode discusses the current state of the US economy, including stock market performance, job growth, inflation trends, and consumer sentiment. Key topics include Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen's comments on a potential soft landing, the disconnect between consumer perceptions and economic indicators, and investment advice for listeners.

The hosts analyze recent economic data, noting that job numbers are strong with 26,000 jobs added in December, and inflation is reportedly falling. They highlight the paradox of rising wages versus persistent consumer dissatisfaction, suggesting that Americans often credit personal effort for wage increases while blaming the government for inflation.

Investment strategies are also covered, with advice to consider index funds and ETFs rather than individual stocks. The hosts emphasize the importance of focusing on long-term market trends rather than trying to pick individual winners.

Additionally, the housing market is discussed, with insights from a realtor in Washington, DC, about current inventory challenges and potential future trends. The conversation predicts a possible boom in housing sales as interest rates stabilize and life events prompt moves.

Overall, the episode presents a mixed but optimistic view of the economy, highlighting both positive indicators and consumer skepticism.

TL;DR

The episode analyzes the US economy's recovery, job growth, inflation trends, and investment strategies amid consumer skepticism.

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the stock market is hitting record highs
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job numbers are good inflation is
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falling and the Federal Reserve might be
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cutting interest rates also um consumer
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happiness is rising according to all
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those consumer happiness um surveys
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they're moving it's ticking upward looks
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like the US economy might be able to
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avoid a recession according to a recent
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survey of Economist not even a soft
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Landing um what do you what do you think
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we what's going on Treasury secretary
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Janet Yellen was touting soft Landing
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weeks ago and said My Hope Is it will
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continue I guess we're continuing to
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soft land if at all
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um what is your take on all the good
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news it what strikes me is more so than
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all the good news which is exceptional
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is the consumer dissonance or the
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citizen dissonance and that is Americans
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have a unique ability to credit their
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character and their grit for the raise
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they're getting and then blame the
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government for inflation and so even
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though the even though that uh wages are
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rising fasted than inflation now there's
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real wage increases they still blame the
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government it's just this this Quant it
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must be driving it's ticking up it's
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ticking up that that Michigan survey
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just suddenly went the other direction I
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hope so yeah yeah but it's just very
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strange the White House doesn't get any
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credit for it yeah it's starting and I I
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hope you're right but and you know this
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goes to my win we literally have now
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granted it's not distributed equally we
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have no one could have predicted if
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someone had said America is going to
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pull off this economy they're going to
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figure out a way to have the lowest
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inflation in the G7 by the way they're
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massively increase for all the ship
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posting and all the far right lights to
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say drill baby drill we're producing
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more energy than ever we're the largest
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energy producer in the worlded and if
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you look at if you look at our
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competitive advantage against China if
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China decides to get into a hot war with
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anyone yeah and they start S and at any
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number of Choke points their energy
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Supply gets gets um yeah down Russia
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they're going to have to in they would
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they would be in such a world of hurt
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and we're energy independent we we we're
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not only energy independent we produce
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more energy than we consume which is
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remarkable given what gluttons we are
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yeah so it's you know it's is striking
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that consumers don't feel better it's
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getting it's getting better it's ticking
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up it's absolutely ticking up I think
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people still feel they're paying too
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much for food or the kind of the daily
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but although I went and got gas and I
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was like oh this is low this is like an
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I mean I I guess I'm one of those people
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who doesn't think about it that much
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compared to people who have a really
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tighter budget but I was like wow this
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is not expensive for the first time in a
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while and I paid attention to like the
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four and five gas um employers added
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26,000 jobs in December which is a
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larger than the expected number weekly
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jobless claims reported were the lowest
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since September of 2022 uh there's a lot
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of layoffs in a number of sectors but I
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think that's people cleaning up like all
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the stuff in Tech looks like it's around
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assistant which AI they're getting ready
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for AI and getting rid of stuff they
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don't need anymore um so that seems to
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be to be clean up right of where things
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are going or or getting ready for
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something else um so if you were if
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someone uh two things if if you were
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looking to invest right now what advice
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would you give them and then I want to
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ask you a quick question about the
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housing market where would I invest yeah
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look my my feeling is it's dangerous to
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listen to people like me and Talking
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Heads on podcasts uh make stock
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recommendations and I like it because
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it's fun and I tell young people take a
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third of your money and put it in stock
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because a you'll learn you learn about
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the markets and also it's kind of fun
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and you can feel good when it goes up
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and beat yourself up a little bit when
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it goes down but for the most part what
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you want to do if this Market has taught
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us anything don't try and pick the
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needle and the Hast stack pick the whole
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Hast stack and buy the whole Market
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because H stack approach go ahead it's
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true unless unless you were a genius and
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maybe you weren you didn't have to be a
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genius but people talk about their wins
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and they don't talk about their losses
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seven stocks were responsible for 70% of
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the gain last year and you think you're
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smart enough to pick the seven of the
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500 M so instead just buy the entire 500
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and what do you know what were you up in
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the teens last year if you do that if
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you compound going into your Prime
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income earning years what the market has
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done since 2008 at 11% that means every
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seven every seven years you're doubling
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your money and just from an emotional
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and mental well-being this is what you
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want to do you want to focus all of your
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mental physical and emotional energy on
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your day job and you want to turn your
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investing over to an outstanding
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professional that is really good at what
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they do but at the same time is really
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inexpensive and that's called an index
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and an ETF fund so if you could get
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someone you're not good at building your
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own home what if you could find someone
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to build your home that was outstanding
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a building homes and was really cheap
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that's called an index or an ETF fund
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don't buy a stock buy the market and the
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temptation to believe that you're
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smarter than everybody and all of these
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the financial industrial complex which
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will teach teach you that this old
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looking guy or these all these Quan
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people in phds have some sort of special
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Insight or they're investing in ESG
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whatever it might be whatever whatever
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The Branding is they are ripping you off
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yeah they are ripping you off so anyways
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my right recommendation on where to
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invest is just start investing in
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investment index or ETF funds spy S&P um
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the economy uh the housing market is
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still kind of all over the place because
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of the the interest rate and the 30-year
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interest rate is it 6.6% higher than
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before the pandemic obviously how home
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prices are higher but that's because I'm
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just talking to a friend of mine who's a
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very big realtor in DC and she was
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saying there just isn't stock people
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it's in the middle area she goes in the
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top area and the lesser the the cheaper
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area it's doing okay um but it's there's
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no stock to sell she said she didn't
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think people were as fixated on rates as
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they were they don't want to move
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because of that you know and and that's
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one of the issues is is is not having
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enough in the market to to to move it
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around and she was thinking it was going
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to jump in the spring she felt like
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people were just like ah I feel I'm I'm
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tired of waiting kind of thing or to
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move or to buy um but that's one area
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that's been sort of a lagger yeah one of
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my predictions from my 2024 deck is uh
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that housing is going to Boom not price
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Ian what happened last year was sort of
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suspended that you had to suspend the
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suspend the natural order and yet
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housing prices went up you never see
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that because what we unintentionally did
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was created these unex of you know
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unexploded devices inside a home called
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a mortgage at 2 and a half% where no one
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wanted to leave that life is aggregating
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at the dam what I mean by that death
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divorce disability people having kids
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people needing to move for a job
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whatever it might be all of that demand
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is building and the moment I think
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interest rates get kind of below
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sixish uh the moment that people start
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dying and more housing stock comes
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available the moment that some of the
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supply that's being constructed comes on
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the line I think I think in Q4 you had
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the lowest transaction in like decades
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that's what she was saying yeah she said
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it's right in the middle she said it's
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not at the high it's not at the low you
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know what I mean like the apartments and
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things like that but go ahead I I I
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think you're going to see back half of
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this year just a ton of people I don't
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want to say throw in the towel but go
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okay interest rates are below uh you
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know maybe I can pick up an a mortgage
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with a five handle on it we've been
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talking about moving home we just had
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our third kid oh did you hear the house
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down the street Mrs Robinson just died
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there's a house I just think that all of
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that life doesn't stop marching on yeah
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and when you think about housing the
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biggest component in housing are life
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events and those have not stopped the
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last here they're just building up so I
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think I think the finger out of the
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prices are are higher are higher yeah
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but you're seeing wages go uph um you're
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seeing interest rates come down and life
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continues to march on I think we're
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going to see an boom in sales volume
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it'll be interesting to see if the
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economy helps Biden I think people it
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may be perfect timing for him I'll tell
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you that we'll see we'll
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see

Episode Highlights

  • Consumer Happiness Rises
    Consumer happiness is on the rise, according to recent surveys.
    @ 00m 07s
    January 23, 2024
  • Housing Market Predictions
    Predictions suggest a housing boom as life events drive demand.
    @ 06m 18s
    January 23, 2024

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  • Rising Happiness00:07
  • Consumer Dissonance00:38
  • Housing Boom Ahead06:18

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