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match group home of Tinder and other
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dating apps is being sued for creating
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addictive products the lawsuit claims
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the business model is predatory and
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rewards compulsive use accusing the
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company of negligence and violation of
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consumer protection laws uh the
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accusation of similarities to litigation
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other social platforms have faced about
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knowingly designing addictive features
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in a statement match called loss out
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ridiculous and said it had zero Merit
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the suit also seeks damages for people
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who paid to use the apps and new
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warnings about risk uh risk of addiction
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I I don't know what to say say I I feel
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like that the I'm kind of on match's
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side it's ridiculous you're kidding
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dating apps are addictive yeah tell us
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something we don't know I don't I mean
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it feels like it'd be not just cocaine
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but crack cocaine not only do they
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implement the same sort of um you know
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gamification and visual stimulation and
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random rewards that Tristan Harris
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talked about they create that slot M
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machine effect which you cons andoba by
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just pulling the arm again but when
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you're thinking about the opportunity
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for a romantic or you know a romantic
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relationship um and you get evaluation
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or you get feedback you know some
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positive but mostly negative especially
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if you're a man on these apps I can't
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imagine these apps wouldn't be addictive
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how could they not be
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addictive I don't know is there a
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lawsuit here though yeah tell us
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something we don't know alcohol is
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addictive okay what do we do about it so
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this is why this is the only reason I'm
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asking and I'm going to play devil's
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advocate here is we we think social
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media platforms should be held
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accountable for what it does to teen
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girls or addiction and stuff like that
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and we think that's okay is this any
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different or not well the only thing
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that's I mean these things get pretty
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mous pretty fast fake profiles where
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they give people the sense that there's
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more opportunity and build their hopes
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when there isn't you know that's pretty
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that's sort of that's just immoral
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that's just not but they're not doing
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anything that any other app that's
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selling sneakers or washing machines is
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doing trying to create you to just stick
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on the app I don't yeah but how's it
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different than social media because I
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know you and I it isn't it isn't so
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should but we think social media should
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be subject to lawsuits around addiction
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or not because it definitely has
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self-esteem issues which is linked to
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addiction of using them right so just
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well it's not okay to try and addiction
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itself I think is so complic ated to
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prove in a court I think what we've
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advocated for is that around Health as
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it relates to kids maybe even elections
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that's similar to the rest of media they
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should not have section 230 protection
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such that if they find that in fact
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Facebook is sending out emails to girls
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teen girls with images helping them kill
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themselves that they have some liability
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for that we're not going to even go to
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trying to prove what is addictive or
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what isn't addictive because ice cream
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is addictive right we're going we're
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going to go to liability now if if if
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kids if if they are lying to people and
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saying okay there's a ton of really hot
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interesting people here who are really
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interested in you and they fake profiles
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and they're not such that you spend more
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money that's fraud right but I don't I
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don't I don't you know we have big laws
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around addiction we tried to Outlaw we
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tried to outlaw alcohol didn't work I I
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don't I think that's tough to figure out
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I I suppose like on cigarettes there's
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warnings right maybe they could have
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warnings on them in this regard mning
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pursuing love is addictive or bad for
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your health Addicted to Love play that
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song I look apps I've never been on a
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dating app although my nickname at the
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office was swipe left I love that was it
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what all the kids used to call me Swip
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oh that's funny that means you don't
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I've never been on a dating app is is
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that mean do that mean you don't like
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them no I what I advise people which is
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Swip left tell me I don't Swip left is
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I'm not interested oh okay got it okay
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okay I like that I'm going to call you
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that swi left thanks for that I
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personally would I advise single people
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I I think it's easy to be a purist when
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you're when when you're in a when you're
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in a relationship if I were single yeah
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I would be accepting every in invitation
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to a dinner party I'd be letting my
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friends know that I was single I'd be
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politely and in a dignified way when I
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met people professionally following up
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and seeing if they might be interested
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in coffee and trying to sense if they
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were in fact interested in me in more
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than professional relationship which I
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think is okay one and three
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relationships begin at work and I'd be
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on the apps because the most rewarding
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thing in your life is going to be
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finding a romantic and sexual
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partnership where maybe someday you
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decide to partner together economically
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and have children and you know what it's
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really hard and it requires
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effort and rejection and I I say do it
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all I I see all the negatives that
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there's a great story and I forget who
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wrote I think it was G oh she's a Vanity
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Fair reporter wrote a great story about
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sort of the way men treat women on these
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apps and I didn't like it it was really
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kind of repulsive um and when actually I
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think it's the opposite car I know and
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let me just finish let me so I there's
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lots of issues with these apps including
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fra bad profiles etc etc and sort of the
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way people treat each other is kind of
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um interchangeable and fungible um which
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I don't like but that happens in life at
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bars too so it's not like a new FR thing
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um on the whole I've had heard as many
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as horror stories there are I think
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there's been a lot of really wonderful
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stories of people meeting on these
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things many of my friends met on apps me
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and are married it's been great for the
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community many many many yeah absolutely
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and not always it's sometimes can be
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very uh Lonesome I I talked to a lot of
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gay men about it you know it's more
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transactional it is what it is in that
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regard but um I think they makes them a
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friend of mine keeps taking it off his
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app because it makes him feel bad Louie
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took a had a dating app he took it off
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made him feel bad um uh you know I just
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I've never used them so I don't have I
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can't speak from experience but I do
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think on the whole they're kind of okay
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just like I think they're better than
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bars in some cases bars can be really
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depressing I think what what dating apps
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do is they speedball a market and that
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is because everybody thinks they have
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access technically to everybody they in
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some instances women increase their
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standards and you can't tell a woman to
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to not increase her standards right the
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problem is is that the top 10% of men
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get 80 plus perc of the interest letting
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them engage in what I'll call Porsche
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polygamy which doesn't which
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doesn't incentivize them to establish
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long-term relationships and quite
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frankly lets them get away with probably
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what is not great Behavior at the same
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time if you want as a man who is if
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you're 5'8 and you're not making
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hundreds of thousands of dollars and
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maybe you're not great-looking and maybe
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you didn't graduate from MIT you don't
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have a chance to be funny you don't have
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a chance to demonstrate your kind you
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don't have a chance to demonstrate that
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you have wonderful body language or
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confident it's all about online
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essentially with women it's their
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Aesthetics and with guides it's their
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ability to Signal resources but the
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difference is men have lower standards
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and will swipe right a lot more a lot of
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people end up lonely and if you want to
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talk to validation the men what I'll
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call the lower half of attractiveness on
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basic economic viability you want to you
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want to find a means of validating they
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have no Worth to the opposite sex they
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should just go on dating apps it's
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really brutal for what I'll call an
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average
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man yep no 100% again I've never been on
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them never on them I don't know why I
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just don't know I'm too
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famous
