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June 18, 2024 / 07:10

This episode discusses OpenAI's recent appointment of retired General Paul Nakasone to its board, addressing security concerns and governance changes. The conversation touches on Nakasone's background as the former director of the NSA and his role in the newly formed Safety and Security committee.

Host reactions include skepticism from Edward Snowden, who criticized OpenAI's decision on social media, suggesting distrust in the company's motives. The hosts defend Nakasone's reputation and emphasize the importance of cybersecurity.

Additionally, the episode covers OpenAI's potential shift to a for-profit model, with CEO Sam Altman hinting at restructuring discussions. The hosts analyze the implications of this change and the company's impressive revenue growth.

The conversation highlights OpenAI's expansion into various sectors, including healthcare, and compares its market position to competitors like Nvidia. The hosts express optimism about OpenAI's future and its strategic decisions.

Overall, the episode provides insights into OpenAI's leadership changes, market strategies, and the ongoing debate around cybersecurity and corporate governance.

TL;DR

OpenAI appoints General Paul Nakasone to its board amid security concerns and discusses potential for-profit restructuring.

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open AI appears to be addressing recent
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security concerns with a new addition to
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its board of directors the company
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announced last week that retired General
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Paul nakason uh will be joining the
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board he's also uh sit on a newly formed
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Safety and Security committee nakason
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was director of the NSA which is causing
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a lot of like the the crazy right to go
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crazy about this and saying it's a deep
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State um and led uh including Elon I
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think and led the US military cyber
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command before stepping down early this
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year he's very well regarded but uh
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again uh this is a big appointment um
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opena I said in a statement that this
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appointment underscores a growing
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significance of cyber security uh what
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do you think about this bringing in uh
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Edward Snowden wasn't happy he posted on
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this on social media saying do not ever
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trust opena or its products there is
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only one reason for appointing an NSA
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director to your board so as usual
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without proof Edward uh but you know
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okay sure spy Spy so uh but it's one of
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those open-ended questions that never
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really has an answer or any proof
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attached to it but that's okay they they
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can do that so it's a thing what do you
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think about that I absolutely love it um
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anyone who's an army General and works
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their way up as as someone you know
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General nakason is you know this is a
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very impressive person and also this
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person has proven themselves a patriot
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and for all these weirdos on the far
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right that think there's a deep State
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and for all these weirdos on the far
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left that are under the assumption that
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the peace is a natural right that it's
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it's not something that requires
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constant vigilance and sacrifice we need
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the NSA does an amazing job keeping
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Americans safe and it's important that
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we have laws that keep them in check but
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at the same time I I just I worry that
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America has become so naive to this
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notion that peace is a right it is not
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it is earned and it is not the natural
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order as soon as people can come for our
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Netflix and espresso folks they will and
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they won't do it by interesting nice
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means they'll be violent about it just
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as we are need to be violent and smart
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about protecting our borders so to have
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someone like this on the board of open
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AI to occasionally raise his or her hand
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and say you know what that is a threat
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to America and I am not down with this I
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love having this guy on the board of
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open AI I think it's a wonderful thing
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it's interesting because it sort of sets
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up these deep State leave us alone don't
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tread on me gang um and I mean that the
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negative don't tread on me way the sort
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of demented Don't Tread on Me In Edward
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stow's case I recognize it he did
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uncover some really heinous Behavior by
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our security officials that said the way
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there there's plenty of argument to be
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made that that how he handled it was
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wrong but he couldn't have handled look
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we can debate Edward Snow all you want I
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interviewed him once it's a very complex
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topic but the fact assuming every NSA
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Chief is has Mal intent is the way to
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bring down all institutions now they've
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been abusive enough that there's that
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there needs to be
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strong um strong laws and oversight in
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place absolutely if a spy a spy is going
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to spy that is just the way it goes
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right it's not there's no other way to
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put it including the Chinese government
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they're going to spy whether you have
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proof or not that's what they do in this
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case as many people on the board now I
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would also put on someone who's a more
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of a like sort of an opposite to him
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could be interesting so you have all the
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different outlooks brought there and I'm
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not talking the problem they had was
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they had people that were so at Cross
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purposes there was no agreement and I
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think if they bring in someone who's
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more not distrustful of government but
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then challenges government overreach I
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think that's fantastic too right that's
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what you kind of want on a board um but
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this guy has has really a very very
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strong reputation I just the immediate
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attacks on him were fascinating to watch
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in a lot of ways speaking of of open AI
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they're further angering all the all the
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pure crowd um CEO Sam Altman has told
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some shareholders the companies
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considering changing its governance to a
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poor profit business that a nonprofit
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board doesn't control according to the
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information I'm shocked I'm shocked what
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what shocked what they are a profit
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company one option for forming a
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for-profit benefit Corporation similar
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to an anthropic and xai have in place
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that that's I you can explain what a
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for-profit I don't understand it Alman
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said that restructuring conversations
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are fluid and that he and his fellow
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directors can end up taking a different
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approach oh come on Sam come on you
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can't stand that nonprofit situation
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um so opena reportedly has on Pace by
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the way for a $3.4 billion of annual
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revenue well done um if opena did become
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a for-profit company what's your
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prediction for an IPO they just hired a
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very well- regged um person Sarah frier
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who was a former uh CEO of nexor and
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it's as his Chief Financial Officer she
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used to work for square she's terrific
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uh she she dealt with IPOs at next door
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as well as Square as I've said what what
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what is that called now I forget the new
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name for I call it Square still block uh
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it's called whatever I don't know I
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don't know I don't know what it's called
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but anyway square is what I call it um
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but what do you think about this talk
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about this a little bit so all of the
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stuff about the drama at the board and
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it going back and forth and whe you know
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and Sam being fired and then rehired
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it's a bit of noise because now open AI
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in the last six months they've
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doubled um they have doubled their uh
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Revenue base they're kind of running
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away with it and if you look at their
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run rate right now relative to their
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valuation they're actually the most
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reasonable reasonably valued company in
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AI despite the fact that they're leader
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the leader they are clearly clearly
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putting on their best dress for an IPO
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because the individual that you
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reference is a is a an incredibly street
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it's like when Google brought in Ruth
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parat and she wasn't there to take him
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public but this is a very Street
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friendly hire so they're clearly getting
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ready for an IPO and all of the kind of
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noise around open I I saw these numbers
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on how they're doing they are running
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away with it you know what they have
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Scott's they've decided to be Google and
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not Netscape that's what it is I see the
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Netscape had it and then lost it Google
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almost lost it and then had it right
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they really pushed aggressively um it's
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also expanding into Healthcare with a
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cancer co-pilot um it's working with
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color Health to develop an AI assistant
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using open AI Jeep they're doing deals
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all over the freaking map like they're
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they're like running circles around the
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competitors but go ahead no the you're
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you're exactly right they're they are I
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mean
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the we have a tendency to focus on the
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so soap opera end of this but despite
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all of this distraction they are growing
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the revenues faster Mist this company in
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France which I think will do well
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because I think a lot of European
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companies um and Regulators would like
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an AI company in Europe to emerge but if
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you look at just sheer Revenue growth
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and size of Revan is it's it's Nvidia
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and open AI are sort of running away
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with it

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