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Hedge Fund Clamp-down? Research Says Investors Can Watch Out for Themselves

July 08, 2009 / 06:59

This episode discusses hedge fund internal controls, fees, and the factors influencing their implementation. Topics include short selling, offshore funds, and fraud prevention.

The conversation highlights how hedge funds with strong internal controls tend to charge higher performance-based fees. The discussion includes the finding that younger hedge funds often implement better internal controls compared to older funds.

Key points include the role of reputable auditors and the impact of internal controls on fraud likelihood. The episode also touches on how institutional investors consider internal controls when deciding where to invest.

Listeners learn that certain internal controls can help reduce fraud risks and that investors are increasingly aware of their importance. The implications for hedge fund managers and regulators are also explored.

TL;DR

Hedge fund internal controls influence fees, fraud risk, and investor decisions, with younger funds showing stronger oversight than older ones.

Episode

6:59
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so the paper is the determinance of
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hedge fund internal controls and fees in
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particular what we're examining in this
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voluntary setting unlike mutual funds
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where everything's predetermined why do
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some hedge funds choose particular
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internal controls versus others who
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don't and what we find is there are
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several economic determinants for why in
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this voluntary setting that would happen
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so some examples those that are short
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sellers for example are less likely to
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use internal controls where there's
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oversight you think about why would that
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be well one explanation is short
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squeezing in that if you know the
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positions of a hedge fund who is in a
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short position you could actually take
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advantage of that so you think for these
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particular hedge funds they want to go
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out of their way to ensure there's less
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oversight for these particular issues
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other examples relate to the use of
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better qualified Auditors more reputable
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administrators and also the types of uh
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pricing mechanisms that they use to
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Value the assets we observe that for
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offshore funds the offshore funds are
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actually more likely to have better
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internal controls than what the onshore
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US funds are and one explanation for
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that is that the cost or expense for
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investors to actually uh recoup monies
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should something bad happen is probably
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harder to do in an offshore setting so
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these funds in turn show that they have
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better internal controls so that uh it's
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less likely for this to occur down the
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track another very important result
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relates to younger funds generally
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having better internal controls than
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older funds and this is slightly
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counterintuitive but the main reason is
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if you think that you are a new fund
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it's harder to reveal that you're a high
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quality type and so what you do is you
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say I'm a high quality type I'm going to
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put a lot more oversight in my actions
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therefore you can trust me when you
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invest your money in in our particular
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hedge fund older EST established funds
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or very established that they've proven
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and have a track record so they don't
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have to necessarily go through these
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particular mechanisms so that shows that
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the in a voluntary setting where uh you
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don't have any requirements investors
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get to choose whether they invest in
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funds hedge funds get to choose what uh
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internal controls they have the people
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actually think about the voluntary
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choice and that it matters quite a bit
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then it's a case of what could this
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affect and it can affect two things one
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thing is it affect the fees so what we
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find is that those funds that have
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stronger internal controls such as how
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they price assets controlling for
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everything else uh tend to have higher
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performance-based fees so often we think
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about the expression two and 20 the 20
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represents the the bonus or the
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compensation they get above sort of the
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uh zero returns for funds that have
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better internal controls this magnitude
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is greater and for those that have
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weaker returns it's lower so what that
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suggests is that investors realize that
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given some funds have better or worse
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internal controls this actually matters
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in terms of how they reward the managers
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down the track we also find some limited
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evidence in terms of the types of
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internal controls that hedge funds
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employ and how that affects future fraud
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and we think this is very important
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moving forward obviously the sample is
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very small but we notice that those
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funds that have the manager involved in
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the calculation and the reporting of the
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net asset value which is the primary uh
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number that investors use to uh detm
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what the value of their assets are uh is
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associated with a greater likelihood of
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fraud so if you get the manager involved
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this is a less independent less
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objective approach than say just getting
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a third party to do it the likelihood of
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fraud is substantially greater so that's
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a very important result
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too well that's a very good question
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although when you look now at empirical
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evidence given that we've had many
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frauds over the past few years there are
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some common uh factors related to these
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and they primarily relate to the use of
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a custodian the fact that is the manager
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involved in this calculation of the NIV
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navv statement uh so now that we know a
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lot more about why certain frauds occur
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uh maybe that will prevent it of course
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in this unregulated setting unlike
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mutual funds there are a lot of
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protections that are regulated in place
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which cost the hedge funds and the
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investors money to set up uh in settings
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like the hedge funds we don't have to do
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that uh it's completely up to the
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discretion of the investor I think
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looking forward
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and moving forward I think that
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investors are going to think very
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carefully in terms of which funds they
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invest in based on the strength of the
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internal controls and talking to a lot
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of institutional investors they already
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uh many years ago had decided not to
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invest in particular funds because they
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thought the internal controls were not
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strong enough even given the quality of
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the hedge fund manager moving
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forward I think first for regulators
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we're talking about a period right now
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where we want to protect investors to a
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greater extent than what we've currently
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done now to the extent that the
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investors are not aware that certain
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internal controls matter our research
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actually suggests that investors do
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notice and they take this into account
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when they determine the types of fees
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that they decide to charge in
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conjunction with the hedge fund manager
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so it's not as if these sophisticated
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investors don't know what's going on so
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I think they do one also implication of
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the research relates to the incidents of
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Fraud and things like that and we're
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seeing at the moment particular types of
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internal controls being forced uh maybe
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upon uh hedge funds which will reduce
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the likelihood of fraud the results if
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we know that certain internal controls
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prevent fraud there's no reason why a
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sophisticated investor would choose not
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to would choose to invest or not to
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invest in a particular fund given they
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know that certain inter internal
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controls matter now whether we want to
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spend a lot of government resources to
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protect managers uh sorry investors even
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given we know this empirical evidence
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which suggests that some internal
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controls matter well that's that's a
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case sort of where in policy you said so
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I'll leave that open but finally for
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hedge fund managers I think they just
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confirms what they know that investors
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do take all these things into
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consideration and the choice of
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implementing internal controls is costly
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both from an explicit cost in terms of
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your choice of auditor or getting a
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third party value to come in and they
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have to be traded off against the
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benefits such as do you get higher fees
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or does this oversight allow certain
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investors who may otherwise wouldn't
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have invested in The Firm to now invest
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in you so I think that as this research
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uh and other sort of accompanying
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research is coming out I it's not
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necessarily clear that by regulating and
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to solve the problems but what certainly
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is clear is some internal controls do
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matter and the choice of internal
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controls is something that we can uh
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explain through economic
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determinant

Episode Highlights

  • Younger Funds and Internal Controls
    Younger hedge funds tend to have better internal controls than older ones, counterintuitively.
    @ 01m 36s
    July 08, 2009
  • The Importance of Internal Controls
    Investors are increasingly considering the strength of internal controls when choosing hedge funds.
    “Investors are going to think very carefully about internal controls.”
    @ 04m 32s
    July 08, 2009

Episode Quotes

  • Investors are going to think very carefully about internal controls.
    Hedge Fund Clamp-down? Research Says Investors Can Watch Out for Themselves
  • Some internal controls do matter and the choice is explainable.
    Hedge Fund Clamp-down? Research Says Investors Can Watch Out for Themselves

Key Moments

  • Younger Funds Shine01:36
  • Investor Awareness05:12
  • Internal Controls Matter06:42

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