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A View From Above: Michael Langman, Merrill Advisory Group

April 06, 2010 / 10:48

This episode discusses mergers and acquisitions in the aerospace and defense industries, featuring insights from combat veterans and executives from Wharton Aerospace.

The conversation highlights the challenges faced by companies in the M&A process, emphasizing the importance of emotional intelligence and understanding organizational dynamics. The speaker shares a quote from Tolstoy to illustrate the complexities of successful and unsuccessful companies.

Key discussions include the need for alignment among internal teams, the significance of strategic fit, and the common pitfalls in M&A transactions. The speaker stresses that successful deals require more than just financial analysis; they depend on the ability to motivate and align stakeholders.

Additionally, the episode addresses the gap-filling process in acquisitions, where companies seek to enhance their capabilities. The speaker provides examples of how to effectively communicate the value of potential acquisitions to engineering and financial leaders.

The episode concludes with a focus on the broader implications of successful M&A for national security and the importance of supporting warfighters in a challenging environment.

TL;DR

M&A in aerospace requires emotional intelligence and strategic alignment for success.

Episode

10:48
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meril Advisory Group is a a boutique
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bank that uh that was founded by uh all
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the principles are our combat veterans
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uh uh almost all of them are alumni of
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West Point or the Air Force Academy uh
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they graduated from Top tier Business
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Schools and joined the the ranks of the
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airspace and defense practices of the
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large bulge bracket Wall Street firms uh
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they recognized that that the lower
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Middle Market companies are relatively
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very under represented in the space when
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they get acquired by uh large large
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aerospace companies so they decided to
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go ahead and and bring that big bulge
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bracket experience to to their lower
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Middle Market clients I'm also the
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founder and co-president of of Wharton
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Aerospace Wharton Aerospace is an
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association of senior Executives uh who
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have a shared tie or shared ties and
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commitments are to the Aerospace and
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defense Industries W and Aerospace is is
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is our initiative to Foster closer ties
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and relationships between the Wharton
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School our Warton Aerospace participants
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who are alumni of Wharton business
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school whether through the full-time
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program or the many executive education
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programs and the industrial
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Base today we we actually conducted a a
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best practices panel on best practices
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in m&a and and a common theme was all
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the different ways that that that
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companies can can fail in in their deal
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process and and the quote that was in
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the back of my mind during during these
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whole discussions was the quote from
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Tolstoy to roughly paraphrase all happy
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companies are happy the same families
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are happy the same way but all unhappy
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families are unhappy in their own way
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and and and to abstract I think what
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tsto meant is that you know you know m&a
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is a process and if you're going to do
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it right everything has to be right and
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that's why the successful companies are
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all happy in the same way whereas
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there's so many ways that you can be
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unsuccessful in in your deal process so
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you know to get this to get the strategy
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formulation incorrectly to have a poor
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strategic fit to overpay for the company
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to to fail in the post mer integration
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planning and th those are very high
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level sources of failure but you can
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decompose you know to overpay for a
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company what does that really mean to
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overpay for a company you know it may be
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that that you you didn't have you didn't
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appropriately value the company in terms
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of the discount rate that you use or you
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know you failed to model in the the the
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the success rates that you going to have
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on on the programs so it's not just the
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financials but how you operationalized
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the financials or it may be the fact
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that you didn't know how to quantifi how
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to identify quantify and capture the
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revenue synergies which is a very very
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elusive thing and these were the sorts
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of things that we had very rich
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discussions on today during during our
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our Wharton airospace
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panel as as as the leader of the panel
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the the point that I drove home is that
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no no deal gets done just because of how
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brilliant the Strategic rationale was or
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how sharply modeled the financial
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analysis was those are hard enough to do
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just to begin with but the real key to
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success of the transaction is the
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ability of that that internal m&a or
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corporate development executive to
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provide the alignment and get everybody
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saying yes to his deal because uh a lot
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of companies look at many many they kiss
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a lot of frogs before one of the frogs
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becomes the prince and you know how do
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you how do you compress that Gant chart
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and go after the deals that are
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successful and and the key to the
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successful deals is providing purpose
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Direction and motivation in these large
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complex highly cross matric
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organizations where they hear that most
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deals fail and and these are risky and
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they may be CER limiting moves how does
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that m&a guy go ahead and get everybody
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to go in front of the CEO or the board
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and say yes we want to go ahead and
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pursue something that we he typically
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fails and at the end of the day that's
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all about emotional intelligence
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understanding organizational Dynamics
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and behavior you politics it's it's
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really the the soft side
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of of the
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deal typically when a when a company is
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looking to to acquire another company
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they're using merges and Acquisitions as
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an adjunct um to to fill a gap it could
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be on their business development side in
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terms of being able to penetrate a
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market or a channel such as the
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Aerospace company that now wants to get
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into clean energy or Healthcare it um or
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it could be a technology Gap in terms of
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a more engineering Focus that they're
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looking for a company that has a
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technology embedded within them that uh
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you know this is this the acquisition is
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a substitute for internal research and
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development so many airospace and
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defense companies will actually
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formalize and codify their their their
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Gap filling process whereas part of the
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pursuit order capture process they will
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actually list as part of their color
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team reviews or their go noo decisions
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you know what are the gaps or on the
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tech technological side as they come up
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with
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Capital budgeting and capital allocation
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plans and they link that to the
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Strategic plan they will actually
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identify the gaps but what's very in
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very Insidious about this is they
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formalize the process should be easy
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but there there dozens and dozens of m&a
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Executives that'll go ahead and lament
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my company doesn't get it they they just
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don't get m&a there're just a bunch of
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process oriented Engineers that don't
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get it and we talk talk about that
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during whorton Aerospace and you see
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everybody chuckling but you know what I
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suggest to you not suggest but I tell
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you is that that is the lement of the
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unsuccessful m&a executive because it's
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not that it's not that the company
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didn't get m&a it's that that m&a
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executive did not get the company that
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he failed to appreciate or understand
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you know the culture of his company and
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and how to get things done in his
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company so to go back to the example of
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uh the the the Gap filler you know the
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typical approach of the m&a deal deal
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guy is to go up to the head of
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engineering say hey here's the company
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and it fills the Gap and we know this
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fills the Gap and let's go forward and
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the the head of engineering says oh well
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it doesn't really fill a gap because we
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could do that on our own the GU thy yes
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that's the not invented ha syndrome and
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the thing is you know what when we talk
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about being disrespectful or having a
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lack of of of emotional intelligence
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it's that you know what that that
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engineering guy can develop this thing
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but the thing is he hasn't gotten the
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money for it that's why he's requesting
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money in his irat or internal research
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and development plan to do these things
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so let's get this straight you want this
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senior executive to go up in front of
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the CEO of the company and number one
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talk about buying a company that's doing
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something that he can't do that he may
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not look good he wants you know makes
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him puts him in a position off the bat
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that he doesn't look good never mind
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that well it's because the other company
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put in this money was a priority for
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them when we when this target this other
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company was doing things
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in advance uh the second thing is if
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he's going to go forward on this thing
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he's not going to get the money he's
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asking for he's not going to get the
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money he's not going to get the people
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he's not going to get all the things all
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the cures that come with the fact that
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he's going to get this big chunk of
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money so uh this is uh you know this is
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this is a non-starter and this is the
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example of how the m&a guy doesn't get
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it you know the the the know a perhap a
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more a more thoughtful approach would be
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to approach that to reframe this
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discussion with the VP of engineering
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and discuss with him look here's a
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company they they don't you know they're
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doing something we don't do and I know
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that we can do better can you would you
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be willing to take a look at this
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company and tell me how if we owned it
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you would be able to take them to the
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next level because they do something
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that we don't do and I I know that
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you've asked for X millions of dollars
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to do the sort of thing but it would be
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really nice if we could have this
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company you know in three months instead
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of three years because there's this big
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multi-billion dollar program we could
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win that program if we had this
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technology you know the thing is you
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know all I ask of you is to go up in
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front of our board and talk to them
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about how if you own this thing you
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could take it to the next level and
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embed it in our our business and make it
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as great as the rest of us and and and
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by the way I know you're asking for all
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that money but I I don't I don't know if
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you're going to get it because you know
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the the the budgets are being highly
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scrutinized because these things affect
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net income and EPs and that's an
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important metric
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that is that is difficult to fill in
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this current I don't want to use the
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cliche this current environment but it's
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cliches are cliches because they're so
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true however there's a lot of money on
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the balance sheet it's a different color
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of money the past seven years have been
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so successful for airspace companies
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that they've been paying down debt
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buying back shares cautiously cautiously
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increasing dividends uh but none of
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these things prepare them for the
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tougher and tougher environment we're
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going to see whether it's on the
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commercial Aerospace side or on the
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defense side and and you know the CFOs
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are looking for ways to to
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judiciously deploy that money so to to
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explain to the engineering VP that this
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kind of money is available for you and
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by the way to do the things you want to
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do we can work that into the plan in
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terms of the cost to achieve those
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synergies that's money that that'll be
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safer um than the money that even if you
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did did get it and the CFO will will
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like that too because it helps us lower
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the purchase price of the company so
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when you reframe the argument this way
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you're really providing a line
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it's it's it's not being disingenuous
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it's thinking about how can you make the
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engineering VP successful how can you
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make the CFO successful how can you make
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everybody successful so that ultimately
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you're able to do something to support
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the war Fighters because uh you know the
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world is still a dangerous place we have
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infinite requirements um to help Warf
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Fighters you know for example the ISR
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surge in Afghanistan and you know just
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just the the way money is going to be
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tight with with with the government
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there's not enough money to fund all
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these programs so uh the ability to go
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ahead and get these deals right is
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important for war Fighters it's
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important for our national
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security

Episode Highlights

  • Understanding M&A Success
    Successful M&A requires alignment and emotional intelligence, not just strategic rationale.
    “No deal gets done just because of how brilliant the strategic rationale was.”
    @ 03m 22s
    April 06, 2010
  • The Importance of Emotional Intelligence
    Emotional intelligence is crucial for M&A executives to navigate complex organizational dynamics.
    “The real key to success is the ability to provide alignment and get everybody saying yes.”
    @ 03m 33s
    April 06, 2010
  • Challenges in M&A
    Many M&A executives lament that their companies don't understand the process, but it's often their own understanding that falls short.
    “It's not that the company didn't get M&A; it's that the executive didn't get the company.”
    @ 06m 15s
    April 06, 2010

Episode Quotes

  • The key to successful deals is providing purpose, direction, and motivation.
    A View From Above: Michael Langman, Merrill Advisory Group

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