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we can bring into Shane Gillis because I was at the fight I saw Dennis sat next to me just
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chirping the whole front look at this guy he looks like he's on the Rotunda Jane fondant Clute
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he was making fun of the fighters making fun of everyone in the audience making fun girls behind us he's so hilarious
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ways he doesn't get out with his friends as much like he used to or do stand up around us so when I was around yeah he
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was just dropping incredibly funny he's got all built up yeah so Shane girls who
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is our guest great comic uh I saw him there at the fight too went over and said hi to him he's a huge dude I think
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I'm yeah he's like six I don't think I'm that huge because everyone is seemingly
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extra huge so anyway he's a big dude he he's very funny I see him a lot on
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Instagram yeah I follow him I see his Clips very edgy uh was on SNL for the
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shortest amount of time of any cast member probably uh what do you mean I don't remember that part I think he was on for a day no he has a very
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interesting story and we we you know I like to say now break it down we break
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down his Adventure into being hired on Saturday Night Live and then essentially let go and the emotion around that and
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the circumstances around that so it's a compelling story it's a unique podcast and he is one of the best stand-ups out
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there right now filling up huge yeah Arenas getting big bucks I don't want to say the story was a roller coaster but
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it was I'm going to say something there was actual real emotion there were laughs but there was real emotion on the
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podcast we did with Shane [Laughter]
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okay sorry no it's good it's just your interpretation okay well Shane here's Shane and uh
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enjoy [Music]
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look at Spade I look like I'm from Yellowstone that's not Kevin Costner
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it's me dude cut Costner Shane are you on guy yeah what's going
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on he's waiting for us to quiet we just talk about anything thanks for uh being here with us yeah thanks
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um thank you guys for having me speak it's really really boring really fast looking so fast that's a joke
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oh Dana you know I know a lot of guys that uh know Shane well I don't know him well I don't really know him but um
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all my funny friends think Shane is great and uh stuff I've seen is really
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good and um so it's fun to have you here and hey man a bunch of stupid I've uh
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my son's told me over time they said uh you got to see this guy Bill Burr it's
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like 10 years ago or whatever then they go you got to see this guy Theo Bond and
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then they said you and brought your special on especially the the one you
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did in the little Club in Austin yeah which is pretty brilliant I mean it's got eight million views I think our
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listeners should understand this new idea of homemade show business where you don't have a corporate master
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and you're just doing stuff off the grid and you create this Empire it didn't
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exist when I came through it was Johnny Carson or an NBC guy for a sitcom now
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it's like the wild west so you're one of those people I think who'll do whatever you want or you could go back in uh on
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SNL I've talked to Lauren yeah last night it's all good yeah I think it's a passage of time it's that thing of like
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you know we looked this special and we could really use like that kind of voice you know yeah yeah he's not gonna let it
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go he wants to prove he was right well yeah you had your well we're just getting all
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your greatest hits right now Gillian Keith so you've been doing sketch comedy online too which is is uh incredibly
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funny Isis Toyota and Trump speed dating I didn't know you were an impressionist
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but your Trump is very cool it's really good oh thanks man this is a good I like
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this podcast man yeah it's good it's only six minutes today so you know you don't have to talk until the last two
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minutes we usually just talk we we self congratulately talk about I guess for 20
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minutes we compliment you and then we tap out and we play music but anyway how are you that's all I had to say for now
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I'm good things are good I gotta when I'm done with this I'm in New York right now I gotta drive to Philly tonight and
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then I'm from Harrisburg Pennsylvania I gotta drive home dude he went he went to West Point Dana I know that's the thing
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I saw in one of the comments it's uh what's great about Shane is he's got 30 points of IQ that he's not letting the
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audience in on I went to West Point for about three weeks
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I read about it was it a football scholarship or were you uh like 4.2 what's paying West Point's not easy is
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it I mean to get into no it's it's easier when when you're playing football which is what I was doing but it's
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everybody there is on Scott there's no you don't pay tuition at West Point uh right I got recruited to play football
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so could I ask what your uh position was and what your size uh was I played
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offensive line I was about six three two ninety five three hundred you're about
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six one now yeah yeah yeah yeah wait a minute you're walking around the
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planet at six three 295. yeah what did that feel like because you don't
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look you I mean you look husky but you're not I didn't know you're that tall either yeah you see that's a monster
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yeah it hurts physically it hurts it's like even though you hold the mic you're
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so tall you have to kind of lean down to it right you feel like even though you're a whole you could bring it up you still have to get down to it kind of
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right it's sort of a stylistic thing but it's very him and Kevin Neal and have to get down to the mic even if they're
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holding it they go they just show how tall they are so yeah it's too tall but anyway so that's uh that's a fascinating
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I've never met a comedian who was uh you know an offensive lineman at 295 and then it's like pretty much one of the
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best guys doing stand up right now that's that's an amazing and you started in 2012 which seems like yesterday like
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my first set was in 1976. Gross not only could I be your dad I
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could be your grandfather I love the stuff you do about your your dad and you're screaming at the TV and all that
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stuff it's really oh yeah really thank you yeah so you start well let's just
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get out of the way this SNL horse because okay people tune out at minute three on us we've found through studies
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we've been talking about the metrics yeah so they're already gone so uh now we can talk about it we can get that
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behind us yeah so uh so you were honest let's go really far back Danny you were
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born and then fast forward to you got a call from Lawrence well she was on SNL that's
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all I know I didn't read any further I just want to know some of the sketches or what happened
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so you're how was your time there as a cast member it was good I went into the office twice
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did you really go in yeah well I mean counting the auditions I went in
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maybe twice yeah not to meet anybody just literally like damage control like sitting there with
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Lauren talking about it yeah Shane when you leave here you won't be coming
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back he thought it was going he was like no we're gonna get past this and obviously they're like there's no way
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there's no way oh he actually took that attack that's interesting that maybe he thought it would uh you know he he's
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obviously in a controversial business of comedy and yeah that show has always gotten in trouble so that's sort of
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interesting about your story is that what does it take in this day and age to
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to go too far in that in their eyes and I guess you did but uh and you know
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that's the opinion but two things two things that are
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interesting you you bounce back which is hard to do uh and that's why like Dana says you're
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a sort of a self-made guy doing this other way because that was sort of your only Channel now uh yeah I I didn't do
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that by choice I would have much rather had people set things up for me yeah exactly it would have been nice it would
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have been very nice but you feel a little better right now because the special was so well received I mean because that was your biggest mic drop
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and your sketch show so you're in a different place than when you walked out of the 17th floor if you've really
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landed on your feet the only thing I want to delineate I may I may be getting canceled but I didn't really get a sense
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of what you said other than like throughout my time on the planet doing comedy or even with my friends I would
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do impressions of racist people but I was not the racist it's like Harvey Korman
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if you take him at his word in you know Blazing Saddles have you seen blazing sails so he says the n-word uh probably
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800 times so he may be technically the most racist human being in history if context doesn't matter just by saying it
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so I don't know why he's not canceled posthumously anyway that's all I have to
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say yeah I mean I could have I could have done the impression a little better
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yeah make it make it a little more obvious it was an impression but yeah I don't know right I just thought you were
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doing a white racist guy being very just uh yeah
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that was my impression of your impression I was doing an impression of myself [Laughter]
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in comedy this it's dicey because once you're on that stage it's almost anything goes because it's all under the
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umbrella of comedy and that's not the way it goes anymore uh I I'd like to see so you're doing sketches how do you how
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do you get in front of Lauren or who hears that you're good enough to even audition how does that go I think they
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saw me doing stand-up at JFL or clusterfest which is a Comedy Central
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thing okay so I was doing I did new faces it just for laughs in Montreal and
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I guess SNL people were there and saw me and liked it and asked me to audition actually they asked me to write first
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and I didn't submit a packet because I didn't want to you know I don't want to be a writer could I just ask wow okay
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how did you get that good that fast because that's like 2019 they saw you and you started in 2012 so yeah that's
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like Harley beginning in some ways but so you got really good really fast so you just took
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to it you were like in your early 20s yeah I just did it uh every day and did
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you write every day did you listen record listen and write or you just got up every day and kind of
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yeah honestly that's where podcasting really helps is me and my friend just joked around every week for a couple
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hours and that's you know you're just sitting there riffing and you're like all right that could work and then go to an open mic that night like all right
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that works in your early and I'm podcasting too so you're way ahead of the game on that and um yeah does that
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get you enough of a base because podcasting is obviously bigger now Dana and I have been assigned
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to do this one and so uh through through jury duty yeah we get we get points for
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this on my AmEx card so we uh so you do that and then it gets you enough of a
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bubbling audience to go yeah yeah Montreal the just for last was
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that was that a big deal at the time to be asked oh yeah yeah I wanted to do I wanted new faces very bad yeah
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and that really really launches people that show if you kill yeah and some it doesn't which is worse right
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they go and nothing happens well they book A lot of people that aren't good so
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if you're like I've been doing stand-up for 10 years when they booked me so it was like most of the some of those
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people that they book for new faces are like literally like two years in it I was like some of them are some of them
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are like 20 years old I was like Open Mic faces yeah it really is yeah if you're not Eddie Murphy or something you
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you it's a disfavor when they put people on when they're not ready yeah well Shane when I did uh just to keep
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interrupting you when I did uh yeah a young comedian special HBO young
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comedians hosted by Dennis Miller who was one of my favorites at the time so they do that and that was sort of the
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only game in town but on TV it was sort of equivalent to what you're saying and uh I they had like the young comedians
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but you know I always joke it's like Richard Belzer and people and I'm like wait I'm actually a young comedian can I
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be on this and I was on that borderline of having a pretty good 8 to 10 to 12 minutes but not much more
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but at least that was pretty polished to get me on and then after that you got to sort of go but that was six of us Rob
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Schneider Drake say there's there's people in there so that helped me the way that that JFL thing is for you and
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that's where SNL saw me and so you get this break and then it then the talks start
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happening oh did you have an agent and everything at this point um yes I did have an agent I was with
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UTA yeah big one big one yeah yeah and then uh they dropped me during this I was
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about to say God damn it wait a minute those are cowards a corporation got
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nervous and actually let you go um hey you wanna you wanna know something funny they yeah they kept they
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kept Jesse Smollett for a very very long time oh too long wow yeah they kept them
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until like this year yeah this year oh we feel like they yeah wow
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they actually had the news he gave him the Noose as sort of a souvenir and they had it in the lobby of UTA uh boy we
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can't do that what was a fake news am I can't I think I'm cancel every day but I feel like I'm too irrelevant and two
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from the 60s to get your special too old to cancel dude you can't cancel now life
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is canceling me yeah if I was a Reaper if I was a fuel gauge I'd be less than a
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quarter tank I'd be like an eighth of a tank if my lifespan was a fuel it would be like this
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yeah and I just be just cutting down as I got into the gas station but uh anyway
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so you blow up do you remember how what were you feeling then like it seemed like you were on a rocket ship in
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a way oh you kill it just for laughs no no it wasn't a rocket I was like well
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you killed you killed in Montreal that's what I heard anyway yes that was good yes I did well there and then yeah I
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mean it was it wasn't like crazy I just started like headlining but then yes there was a lot of offers quick
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including SNL was like right away SNL was okay Sno was like we want you to
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they sent me a writer's packet I didn't do it but then they were like we want they asked me to audition and they were
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like straight to main stage audition
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yeah yeah the monologue is yeah and there's 20 people in the audience go ahead yeah there's it was one of those
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things where I was like I'm I'm literally I'm never gonna get this SNL they're not gonna you know I'm not that
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type of guy right now where SNL is and I figured there's no chance and I was like
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I was not nervous I was sitting in the Green Room you know how they they make you wait for like two hours I guess I
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guess to kind of like rattle you I was I literally I didn't care Lauren I think does he's not I've never talked to him
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about it but I do think he likes to kind of rattle people around that situation just just to see if they can handle when
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the red light goes on without you know just themselves so you you go
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on you're so loose because you don't care about it you think yeah oh no okay I thought I I thought I didn't care
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until you walk through that tunnel and you see the the stage and then I was like oh like oh this is it and uh
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yeah as soon as I was so nervous my the mic was shaking so I had to like put it against my chin to do the set I've got a
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shaky hand before it's yeah it's embarrassing it catches you off guard you're like am I shaking yeah yeah yeah
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will you hold it with both hands then maybe right true no no that makes sense I should have could
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you see Lauren's face when you were up there yeah but just kind of a shadow yes
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sometimes there's smoke coming up like yeah Dana when I was there he holds a flashlight under his chin in the dark
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and makes sounds like whoa
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show so then um so you thought did you what did you think when you got off did
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you do Trump I I don't think I did do a trump impression I could be wrong
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I did a joke about Trump that it's funny the the joke at the time was like it's
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funny to watch every comedian go on and make fun of trump and it's like they're lucky he's not here he would bury all
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these comedians including me I like doing oh yeah you know what I did I did do a trump because the rest of that joke
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is him following me and calling me a fat loser and
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go ahead I want to hear it what a loser that guy very fat
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very fast very fast you know yeah that I saw that a bit and it is he it was like
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a shooting gallery when he went up against the other Republicans and it was extraordinary sleepy or low energy
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sleepy Joe caught on too that was hot he's got a new one right now for uh Ron
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de sanctimonious I know and what do you think of that I don't think this is Bumpy but I'm I'm getting back I'm not
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sure if I get sanctimony from DeSantis I'm not sure if it just you know it
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Rhymes you know it's so you got the D and E and you just continue it you know what you got but I I don't know if
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that's the best nickname but it's good though that he's still trying
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I mean no matter what he any nickname he gives somebody is funny because it's coming from him I mean Sleepy's not the
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best nickname it's it's just funny that he's out there making fun of other politicians of course Little
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Rocket Man was balls tiny Rockets
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you have the bill I mean you look I'm not saying you look like him but you look more I mean I'm such a pencil neck
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you could put me in anything but uh you actually you know it was a cool look you
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had on the schedule my favorite one was uh mini Mike Bloomberg he literally ended
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up they ended they ended the campaign ing Mike and they they were like all
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right they put a billion dollars into the campaign on a mini mic all it took
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was the word Minnie and Mike and a billion dollars went away that just makes you sound like the biggest
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he doesn't even put it through a computer he just says it and you're like yeah we ran 100 and that's the best one
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make you feel like an if you were running against him and you knew he was going to come at you I mean how
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could you advise I don't know DeSantis like ignore it come back at it or you
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know if I was to sound as I'd say Humpty trumpty had a big fall Daffy Donald Daffy Donald yeah but you
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can't you can't combat it unless it's authentic because some of those other guys have tried to do it oh it was
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humiliated so bad Rubio tried to go after his hands yeah little little hands
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and uh yeah it looked terrible all it did was give Trump an alley-oop to go on a debate and say he had a big dick yeah
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it's true just made it funny let me tell her there's no problem down there right there's no problem he pointed to his
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there's no problem it's still the most exotic political creature in the
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history probably the 2000 years I don't know about you know he's up there with open mikers it's impossible he's like a
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seasoned headliner oh if you put him in a hip-hop rap competition I mean Eminem would have trouble everyone would be in
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trouble the only way to beat him is you got to be you got to be uh Biden you gotta just have no clue what he's saying
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just totally totally be unfazed you can't get your feelings hurt you're just you're just up
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there talking well I have the theory Shane that when he went to the first debate he was I think he had an a UFC
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fighter with him on the plane and I think he got really amped up Trump so what you what you would have been
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smarter for him to do would be let Biden talk but he wouldn't let him talk and
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that kind of made Biden look really good yeah that first I remember that first debate Trump looked awful hyperbolic and
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then Biden didn't have to really complete a sentence he just could go this guy come on what is this Pirates of
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Caribbean
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[Music] oh let's go back let's go back Dana so he goes does audition no real
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Impressions yeah uh nervous a little bit of trump Mike on chin you do probably
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eight minutes I don't know how long yeah I think it was only like five okay uh smattering of Applause I'm
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guessing thank you actually they were laughing the whole time oh great so I
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you it was in my head that I was nervous because I ran into Michael Che that night at a club and he was like you did
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he was like you killed it and I was like Oh I thought I was nervous he was like least nervous one by far oh cool cool
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even though I in my head I was in my head I mean my hand probably wasn't that bad but that's the beginning of the
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psychology Dana of like oh wait is there a chance I might get this yeah that's exactly right away I got done
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yeah when I got done I was like oh I bombed no chance yeah and then that night I ran into Jay and he was
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like no you did great and I was like oh I'm gonna get this and then I started to get like a little I don't
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know I was never like happy oh no oh no you wouldn't be happy he
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said a sense of dread right that's what when I first got it I I felt sick to my stomach and Dreadful like maybe I'll
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I'll bomb on the show or what was your what was your Vibe what was your like Dread or just anxiety yeah I think I
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think dread and anxiety is exactly what like everybody else was like oh you must have been so happy I was like I mean the only cool part was I got to call my
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parents and tell them that was the first thing in comedy they have understood yeah you know but other than that it was
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like I was yeah kind of knew something bad was coming sure enough how
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now what's a time frame now they did they hire you the next day do they make an offer it was quick they were talking
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it was probably end of August I took uh audition September 12th is when they announced it
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okay so they announced you're on the new something cast yeah new feature player
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and literally within five hours whoa right away
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damn it it was funny this is the funniest part I was I was on my way to do stand-ups I was I was on the train in
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New York my agent calls and was like did you say the word I said and I was like no I
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would never say that and then I hit a train stop so or in between stops I lose service
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and then the next text I get once the train starts again is a video of me saying it like oh and then I'm like
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ah it'll be all right it'll be all right and then the next stop is like you know CNN it's like oh oh boy next time
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yeah yeah well maybe maybe I in passing I'm just a little utterance it literally
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was just a video of my face like not even smiling just saying it I was like oh yeah no context nothing yes Public
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Enemy Number One damn well hopefully they have a new protocol like vet if you
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have a problem with someone don't let them audition you know this was a mistake I don't know who vets people and
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who who's the decider but here that's that's another thing is like they did vet like the same way they everybody
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else was like an improv person they don't have they didn't have podcasts at the time uh they just checked my
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Instagram Facebook and Twitter I didn't no one vets like Twitter people yeah like they're like this guy uh-uh
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we'll figure it out give us five hours yeah they got me with the podcast though is like
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uh nobody's gonna sit down and listen to a thousand hours right it's tough to vet the podcast I told him
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I was like I have a podcast and I say the word gay on it a lot they're like yeah that's fine
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I omitted that once so it you guys actually literally had a thousand hours
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of that podcast or hundreds of hours it was yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and so how many times did you use that slur
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I don't know before that video I would have said zero but then there's just
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been a couple it's been a couple oh boy yeah well you know these some of these sketches you do like I saw Isis Toyota
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uh are these done before or were you saying some of you apprehension with
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snls maybe your sketches when you went there to
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write or be in you might write something that's even too far for them so is that
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part of your fear like it might be like they might not like I'm not saying you're a horrible person I'm just saying some people like to push
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it and some people do different things you know no that wasn't my apprehension at all it was like uh I don't know maybe
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it's just a me thing it was something good happening yeah I was kind of like it's like don't wish too hard then you
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get something you don't really probably wish for SNL but like Dana was always that type of character guy that that's
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like the perfect spot for him with me it wasn't quite as perfect but but I I bombed out twice I I auditioned for it
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and I had no confidence at all that I could be on it it's you know later it's like oh you should oh it was a obvious
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pick but no what I'm curious about on a human level because when I got Blue Thunder with James fiorentino a TV show
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in 1984. I called my parents it is sort of a thing that you kind of do even
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though I had issues with my dad um but did were you the one to have to
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call them the second time and what did that feel like no the news the news
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everyone called everyone called and was like are you all right are you all right I was like yeah I'm all right I was I
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was actually I wasn't even like that I mean I kind of blacked it out a little it was like so much but I wasn't like uh
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I don't think I was like devastated I was kind of just not I don't know yeah yeah yeah
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you're excited to stand up your rocket almost didn't get off the launching pad
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that's the thing you weren't way out in space falling you were like yeah yeah no I mean I had I had zero yeah I
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didn't lose anything I had zero dollars I like I lost an opportunity but it was
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all of a sudden I just had a lot of attention on me which was weird it was uncomfortable uh you know Dana I wonder if it comes
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down to like I know these are corporations I know Lauren has a good sense of humor and I know you know Dana
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himself there's been sketches in the past that aren't that wouldn't fly today of course I did an Asian character in uh
00:27:56
the 80s um and uh I I was called out for it
00:28:01
being inappropriate you know so uh it's tough to it's time
00:28:07
oh a full full agent I I live near Chinatown no just do it real quick I
00:28:12
will I lived in Chinatown just a context or near it in San Francisco and I used
00:28:18
to see this guy in his yard Chinese gentleman with a with a a a
00:28:23
leash on a chicken so then I had to fly to fancy of a character from China who
00:28:28
opens a pet chicken store maybe in Manhattan but he loves the chicken so much that he talks people out of buying
00:28:34
them so it wasn't any sort of stereotypical thing it was like so Lovett's came in and go how much you
00:28:40
know how much for this chicken I would say oh you don't want that chicken that chicken like dog but he's not dog you
00:28:47
throw frisbee he don't even catch it he poke hole in it one minute you got frisbee next minute you got spaghetti
00:28:53
strainer because chicken make a lousy house pet so there it was the
00:29:00
catchphrase which and then I would sing to my fair lady that people would leave and I go across them to his beak and
00:29:06
that ran three times and then Candace Bergen came on as a customer and she
00:29:11
told me that I was a racial stereotype and that's how that was the last one we did we we made fun or we acknowledged it
00:29:18
but yeah yeah yeah for me coming in we go by Bill Burr was on our show and he just said what's your intent is your
00:29:25
intent to hurt to me it was naivete I wouldn't even understand
00:29:30
uh that being offensive in 1986-87. and neither did anyone in the
00:29:36
show nobody nobody flagged it or talked about it so but now we're in 2022 and uh
00:29:42
I I do think that if people see you and listen to you on this and see your
00:29:47
special see your stuff it has its own Edge to it but you're a very uh likable
00:29:53
gentleman you know because they make you into this Boogeyman character and the
00:29:58
more we see you we meaning the the public at large like here's a guy who's goofing around podcast for a thousand
00:30:05
hours with a friend saying outrageous things and we've all done that in the back of a car with our comedian friends
00:30:11
after a gig how else do you make a comedian laugh without certain words going too far yeah and you know you are
00:30:17
but you're not doing it you're just doing it because the shock value you don't take it into your heart end of
00:30:23
statement by the way Shane doesn't ever agree that
00:30:28
he's funny and he's humble you know he doesn't we keep telling him and he's never like I knew I was really good when
00:30:34
he seems he seems to take it all in like we all know this business is very fickle and who's to say who's actually really
00:30:41
funny it's just you just cross your fingers and if people keep coming to the
00:30:46
shows it's great if they watch your special it's great and you know it could be rug pulled any day you just don't
00:30:52
know it's very tough tough to be cocky yeah you'd have to be a real dumbass
00:30:59
yeah I mean I I hear you on Rogan a lot now when you go on Rogan a lot I think yeah yeah I think it's cool that Joe
00:31:07
has this huge place and he still invites all his buddies on and they just laugh and I think it just sounds like fun and
00:31:13
uh that and that always probably unintentionally gives you a bump somewhere either
00:31:19
it's huge it's huge yeah yeah and it's also I think you know I don't want to
00:31:25
speak for him but I think it's good for him like he needs it too he needs to like well it's fun he's huge he's might
00:31:31
be the most he can't go outside well he's the number one show kind of in
00:31:38
the world I mean it's 70 million people forget podcasts it's just show he's bigger yeah bigger than any television
00:31:44
show a bigger than most movies as far as that audience and so you're a regular uh
00:31:49
on that so yeah I guess your Club dates just lines around the block yeah it's very yeah that's awesome but yeah I
00:31:57
think Rogan like I think yeah I mean he always has his friend zone he always keeps his friends around like he's
00:32:02
yeah it probably keeps him sane it I'm sure it does Sanders like that Sandler's pretty big up there and you know he just
00:32:09
did a tour and he's like can you come out for a week and just come on stage or come at the beginning and then we'll sing a song together just because it's
00:32:17
it's probably not quite as fun as it used to be in a weird way and Rogan is there must be so much responsibility in
00:32:24
a weird way that he suddenly has you know that he didn't even want and now he has all these interesting people on and
00:32:30
then he has interesting Comics you guys all come on and it's just fun for him and the audience I I would imagine yeah I knew wait where where
00:32:37
were you were just with Sandler right I just went out yeah we just did uh some in the Southeast I was with Adam Eagan I
00:32:45
was with Adam oh yeah yeah yeah he told me you were feeling drunk we were drunk and I was like text Sandler dude do it
00:32:51
do it that'll be cool he said spades on stage and he said yeah
00:32:56
I'm bombing I'm sure yeah he's talking yeah of course yeah it's a little quiet in there no it is fun in
00:33:03
the arena yeah it's fun Schneider was there I think Apatow did a few I think Conan's doing a few he just uh oh
00:33:11
um swartson and oh I just met him swordson came to my show and uh I was in
00:33:16
Florida yeah I don't buy his just met him for the first time he's wild yeah he's funny yeah he's a great
00:33:22
dude so we all sort of are in that sort of world too so you know that's fun it's all fun with the comedian buddies and
00:33:28
and and that's great you have a place to go go screw off I mean uh and now you still
00:33:33
do you obviously do stand up um and what are your thoughts about like
00:33:39
Theo is Big Theo and I are writing a movie and he's big on why don't we just
00:33:44
um put it on YouTube I'm like I think what we're finding is a special is easier
00:33:50
because you're only you you know and when you're a movie there's Guild problems and there's everyone needs to
00:33:57
get paid a certain amount and then just just the idea of fun fun throw it on YouTube it's it got very complicated
00:34:03
very fast so yeah we might go more conventional way but I do like the idea of of what you're doing and things like
00:34:10
that because your special was it cave in the creek what's it called yeah it's at the creek in the cave it was just live
00:34:16
live in Austin yeah pretty low-fi yeah show a few people coming in just getting
00:34:22
a couple seven and sevens and sit down and drink and uh you just come out in a T-shirt and uh you know I I yeah Dana
00:34:30
wishes he did that right well I've done three shitty specials hold your applause only because I
00:34:39
hey you know you're you're working out in the clubs and I usually do characters and sketches I'm a little club and I'm
00:34:45
just on this role in the Rhythm and everything and then you go in the big room and the air conditioner breaks the first night so they can't use it and
00:34:52
then the second night there's like nine cameras so then the the the because they
00:34:58
have all those angles you're like watching a special bam is if you're a flying seat you'd fly into the guy's
00:35:05
face then you go way to the back you're like whipped around and it just soaks all the funniness out of it so when I
00:35:11
saw yours I'm like okay this is organically shot so clean so simple just
00:35:16
like you're sitting in a club watching this and you're laughing laughing your ass off with it you they're not there's
00:35:21
no remix there's no you don't even hear the audience that much you see them a little bit but you're killing so I think
00:35:27
that's just the way stand up should be done but of course people want you to play Arenas because then you'll be
00:35:33
booked in arenas and old Jed's a millionaire but yeah that that had a magic to it of a guy showing up just at
00:35:41
a club in Austin and that's why we're also fighting your way back uh and you know the audience
00:35:47
sometimes is aware of cameras it's nothing like you the the night before when you killed a club and you're
00:35:52
practicing for it then you come in and it's lit they're like those are camera seats no one can sit there and then
00:35:58
there's a jib gonna swing in front of them and people like how how do I act I'm in the audience what if they
00:36:03
show me I had masks in mind everyone had a mask oh I didn't even know it
00:36:08
oh and I'm like God because my opener was on and he was doing okay and I go oh don't give me a tough crowd tonight and
00:36:15
when he got off he goes oh they all have n95s I go oh my God that's right that's terrible I know and all the
00:36:22
cameras the trucks are there you don't get another shot at it that's terrible I know and Sandler did like 200 show you
00:36:29
know not 200 but we were filming when Sandler was doing a special weirdest filming each night because he has the
00:36:35
means he just took the money he got and put it right in the special and said I'll film this night I'll film that
00:36:40
night I'm gonna go in the alley and shoot a p he's there I'm gonna go to a tiny club and then it just really fun
00:36:46
because it's a whole like thought out it's like a big show you know that's different and he doesn't know he's
00:36:52
shooting a special like when I was doing it behind my eyes and I'll see people I can tell that they
00:36:58
know they're shooting their special so there's that little bit of tension in the eyes but Adam did so many nights
00:37:03
that he's just around but did you shoot more than one night at that club no that was one that was basically yeah
00:37:10
those two shows one night yeah that's for the people at home that's the standard two shows one night first one's
00:37:16
usually not as good and then they say it's good and then the second one you actually do good and then they go we'll use all that but it's like you know your
00:37:23
next one if you went to a bigger room and you went with Netflix would be like are you ready to rock the man yeah are
00:37:30
you getting that now yeah that's the thing right now I'm about to do a theater tour coming up and it's like I
00:37:36
don't I think I want to record the next special I do I want to do in a club again it's I don't know I mean I'm just
00:37:43
not used to theaters at all I've never you know so maybe I'll like them but
00:37:48
right now the club yeah
00:37:53
I'm on a theater tour now and it's tough It's it's not my theater tour is like 2 000 to 2500 so
00:38:01
it's not as big as these guys you hear about and I've never done theaters and we thought about it but I go everyone's
00:38:06
doing it Nate Theo all these guys so I go let me try it and it's a different vibe you know it's
00:38:13
a not a pace but you feel way more responsible there's a weird feeling of
00:38:18
nervousness like they're paying more they're staring this is more of a big night out there's no waitress there's no
00:38:25
drink they're just there's four balconies yeah you don't know if they're drinking or what and it you go you're
00:38:31
walking through the back and it's like all cement like you're at a show like stay in small Club shame just stays hard
00:38:37
but you make money yeah look at Nate bergazi just keeps going bigger and bigger and uh
00:38:43
he's funny Dana because he's the opposite he's like I'm everyone's mom's favorite comedian yeah that's his
00:38:50
moniker because he's clean very hard to be clean and funny and he's great at it
00:38:55
I just saw him in Vegas recently he's his new hour is it's incredible yeah
00:39:01
he's smart he gets attacks out there I didn't realize uh I was just looking at my image on this I didn't realize I had
00:39:07
a bunch of religious yeah yeah my bad on that that's this is my you've got like a
00:39:14
are you at your home or your your parents that's my apartment or your apartment okay so are you very religious
00:39:20
my girlfriend which is fine oh okay who's that guy in that painting what's happening there that's actually mine
00:39:26
that's sick that's father that's father Corby that's he's blessing the Irish Brigade at the Battle of Gettysburg oh
00:39:33
number six he became the President of Notre Dame I like Notre Dame football
00:39:40
wow it's tough guys that's podcasting Jesus Christ could I could I make a
00:39:45
comment about your skills your skill set since we talked about that other guy
00:39:51
gate poguzzi what's his name sorry he's great I know it Nate uh you I've been
00:39:57
compared to Louis uh I think it's because you are able to land really no really
00:40:05
Luis Louis stock and trade is he landed so many bits that were so sensitive and
00:40:11
he made them so funny uh Chris Rock has done it but you did one on your sister's
00:40:17
addiction toward the end of this special and one on special coaching Special Olympics kids really tricky topics but
00:40:27
you brilliantly landed them so hard the audience was when you blend something like that that's the audience seems to
00:40:34
laugh so hard like harder than normal especially the Special Olympics stuff at
00:40:40
the end with the Hooters things it's like you know very difficult I mean do you have to vet
00:40:46
those like you keep working on where the line is to keep them engaged and stuff for sure for sure yeah yeah I mean you
00:40:53
guys you guys know yeah you start you have an idea like that you try it people you do it in open like people like oh my
00:41:00
God yeah because you do it wrong a few times yeah they're like never do that again you're like I know it's funny I
00:41:06
know it's funny I'm Gonna Keep it but then there's you know there's ones where people like never do that again you're like I know it's funny and it's just
00:41:11
never funny yeah you can't find it yeah there are certain topics that are a
00:41:18
little tough yeah yeah I feel weird because I can't do like I'm the worst
00:41:24
case scenario like I'm white supposedly Rich I'm male and I'm old it's like
00:41:30
every complaint is coming my way like I'm an inbox of like everyone's anger and hate yeah it all goes back to me and
00:41:38
and I can't even do jokes like you want to go hey I want to see Hamilton but I'm waiting for an all-white
00:41:44
that's not funny there's no jokes left for me because when do you know that is
00:41:49
funny when do you get get to be like white joke there's just you can't so I just sit there and go
00:41:56
I guess you could just I know I know you're right but like you were sort of
00:42:02
Officer and a Gentleman on your special going I got nowhere else to go so yeah you might as well just come out blazing
00:42:09
yeah you know what I mean because you had a not a stigma but once
00:42:14
you leave SNL and and the way it was uh a bumpy uh exit then you go well if I'm not gonna
00:42:21
get a Netflix special right away uh Ian you it looks like you might now
00:42:26
because Ted there Ted is pretty forgiving about just loving comedy which luckily uh and so he's willing to sort
00:42:34
of grade on a curve you know on people and so I would think but you know so you go to do a Lo-Fi special and uh I like
00:42:43
that and there's there's some people pulling for you you know there's some people going man some people get a
00:42:48
second chance does he you know yes I think he deserve it like that's the world do you deserve it yeah well that's
00:42:55
and that's that's the one uh you know I don't know yeah that's an unfortunate thing to have is like do I deserve a
00:43:01
chance and other people decide that and it's like that sucks that's one of
00:43:07
the negative things because you know when you get like canceled or however you want to say it uh consequence look at him he's fine it's
00:43:15
like no I had to overcome like this is it's not easy and now I gotta deal with con I'll never not have scrutiny
00:43:21
it'll always be remember that thing and then you know you know how that is sure
00:43:26
but it's also what you know I'm always watching for the corporations when they drop if someone's that canceled thing
00:43:33
starts to happen and then the corporations it's like a hot oven they don't need it and so they start and then
00:43:39
the agents fire and everything everyone's let go like that but the public most there's a mass audience
00:43:46
that's not as sensitive as this other part of the audience and don't take off
00:43:52
color jokes at face value that's proving something nefarious about the person saying it so it's a big audience it's
00:44:00
when it comes to the corporate I mean it's just money like if if if uh Chappelle had said what I said there'd
00:44:06
be no problem if if Louis or anybody had said just if that was the only thing
00:44:11
they ever said bad it'd be fine I had nothing I had nothing behind me there was no like oh this guy's funny all they
00:44:17
had was that clip right guess what I'm trying to say is like once you get more fans once you get more all this if
00:44:25
you're worth something they'll keep you they don't give a they don't have morals oh no no then once it once it turns then
00:44:31
they we always loved them then they'll jump I will predict and Ted's a friend of ours uh if you want it you can
00:44:38
Netflix has morals Netflix is great well they've kept Chappelle under a lot
00:44:43
of firestorms um you know um I think that the more you keep going
00:44:49
you just go the opposite like you just come out and do Kick-Ass specials and you're just doing great uh on Rogan and
00:44:55
so then it just you know Lauren that would be a Lauren thing you know things are that seems so PR will never go away
00:45:02
they just sort of tend to fade over time and then there's just this other part there's always going to be people
00:45:08
digging something up but I think it's such a small percentage um I I like to make predictions I
00:45:15
predict you will go to 12 000 seaters within two years
00:45:21
geez don't do that I protected it for Louis
00:45:28
business somewhere 1997 I said to Louis you will
00:45:34
headline Madison Square Garden five nights in a row and he didn't say that it took a swing at me no he was my head writer of my
00:45:40
show always an amazing guy that he's back out there oh wait I want to ask Shane about uh we
00:45:47
won't keep you all day Shane but uh what about oh so you you're obviously I think
00:45:53
you're a fan of Norm Macdonald and then he called you right yeah
00:45:58
that was see yeah it was right it was all in the same like weekend so it was very surreal it was like no one knew who
00:46:05
I was and then I'm on the phone with Louie and norm and all these guys but yeah Norm was
00:46:10
exactly who I thought he'd be which was cool he just you know I didn't even get a word and he just kind of ran I was
00:46:16
just I remember I was I was walking around in my backyard and he was just he was gone he was going all about like the
00:46:23
state of comedy and how everything is and it was cool it was cool to yeah get to talk to him like the other
00:46:30
guy they got let go yeah and SNL remember Dana why was it oh of
00:46:37
course I thought he said word but a lot of OJ's stuff yeah OJ's a real nice
00:46:44
guy except like he likes to kill people you know no you know what soldier is not guilty now Dana now who's laughing
00:46:51
he's got a book out but yeah there's only one norm and he had a rhythm to him
00:46:56
in a way of speaking it was so unique I had a couple long phone calls with him
00:47:01
too that were just fascinating because he goes all over the place yeah yeah you
00:47:07
gotta you know yeah a guy buries ten thousand dollars and wants to leave it just their relatives 100 years later
00:47:13
hardly worth anything right but the guy bought a house it'd be worth like five million dollars you know it's just all
00:47:19
the stuff like that yeah whenever whenever I'm with uh Adam eager that's that's usually what we talk
00:47:26
about the whole time enormous he's in love with Norm I always go that's enough
00:47:34
we were on lights out and he was putting together a podcast and Norm he's always on the phone for two hours I go oh let's
00:47:40
get your head in the game guys that is how he talks dude
00:47:50
Larry Bubbles Brown that opened for normal lot and loves Norm love Norm lar
00:47:56
Larry Bubbles Brown and he said Norm would just get on a run and he'd just walk rooms San Jose Improv it's like a
00:48:01
400 seater and he's just working down on some disease or somebody or something okay and they just slowly start leaving
00:48:09
he just walks a room and he just keeps going so he was Notorious
00:48:19
[Laughter] yeah
00:48:25
I'd say that's a draw that's not a guy he said he's putting up
00:48:30
a big fight you know I saw a guy in bed you know just watching television I didn't see him fighting very much you
00:48:36
know he was watching Matlock but yeah he was a genius he's such a
00:48:41
weirdo when we're on the road we did Sandler tour the last time and it was
00:48:46
more of us but when Normie he wouldn't sleep at night so we'd go up to the Ella
00:48:52
you know in the elevator on our floor and he goes you want to come in and hang out and I go because I'm the biggest
00:48:58
of the whole group I go no arm it's midnight we got to get up and fly ah
00:49:03
we'll order food I go no and I go I'm just gonna go take a tub and go to bed
00:49:08
he goes you can take a tub in here and then we'll talk I go through the door or
00:49:13
you're coming in he goes that's up to you it's very I go I think I'm just gonna go
00:49:20
my room he goes your loss and that's every night every night I walk by and we walk up are you coming in
00:49:27
like Norm I don't know what's going on I don't know now Adam Adam told me a story and I don't you know I don't want to be
00:49:33
telling Tales out of school here but uh it was it was it was you you guys were
00:49:39
on a plane I think it was a private jet Norm was sitting there oh no yeah no this one do you remember this yes well
00:49:47
you tell me if it's no you tell it and I'll tell you if it's even so this is what I think now I'm hearing it from
00:49:53
Adam I think you were like standing up and I guess your crotch was like right in Norm's
00:49:58
face I forget exactly but he was like Hey like get your dick out of my face I'm
00:50:04
trying to sleep and it was like yeah open his mouth he said there was two chairs facing the
00:50:12
two in the back of the plane yeah see yeah so it's it's two other eight or so two or two and then I'm we all just
00:50:19
standing and so I'm leaning against his chair and he goes hey Spade do you mind on
00:50:26
having your dick right next to my mouth while you're talking and I go oh sorry and I leaned back then he
00:50:32
goes by the way if I fall asleep you better not take that hot juicy card
00:50:37
and stuff it in my mouth and then he tilts his head back and close his eyes and opens his mouth
00:50:44
and everyone stares it up and then we all laugh I don't know if I can tell
00:50:50
that that's why I never told them we don't know it's incredible I know it's funny babies
00:50:58
gonna be offended by that that's great
00:51:03
[Music] the norm did when he got into bed at night did he just giggle for an hour of
00:51:10
all the things he said to people all day yeah every game it's fade on the plane there yeah oh my mouth you know
00:51:16
he must have just because it is funny he would just he was a uh kind of a
00:51:24
he would be a rabble Rose I don't know what you call him almost a flim-flam man he would just play with you but I would just start doing an impression back to
00:51:30
him you know hey just you knew he was just sort of with it in such a funny way all the time so funny
00:51:37
um so that's a good influence yeah yeah you like Patrice O'Neill you like
00:51:45
Chappelle you're like I'm looking at your list it's all good people Bernie Mac dude I've been a real Bernie Mac kick
00:51:51
the Kingston yeah the one word yeah yeah it was Bernie who else said but yeah the
00:51:58
Kings of Comedy or is that what it was the Kings of Comedy was D.L Cedric Bernie Mac and uh What uh what's his
00:52:05
name Harvey yeah yes and it was so Powerhouse that you're like did did
00:52:12
Bernie follow Harvey or vice versa no Bernie Bernie went last okay so he
00:52:18
followed a lot of he followed a lot of killing crazy crazy uh over the top
00:52:24
killing and then he brought it up to another another level yeah that's the he
00:52:30
does the milk and cookies bit on that and I think that's one of the best it's one of the greatest stand-up bits of all
00:52:35
time yeah and just though his friends he calls it kind of corner yeah a
00:52:41
six-year-old he a homosexual yeah what a voice I mean what a voice
00:52:47
just uh quit crying do some push-ups yeah I like well I like your first joke
00:52:53
on your special Shane you start out with like a cold opening of what's the
00:53:00
uh who came up with the age of consent in the old days yeah and and the guy goes I'm from Delaware I say 12 and then
00:53:08
everyone goes whoa and you go hey I don't want to go first like what do you think 12 higher uh and then it's then
00:53:14
you sort of Fade Out then you go into people coming into the club that's a good opening I like that well that's good this is a lot of this is I mean all
00:53:20
this is McKeever John McKeever he's the guy who I do the sketches with he he really directed and set this whole thing
00:53:26
up on how to do this and that joke was kind of it was quick and it was kind of out of place in the special perfect
00:53:33
place so he was just like here what if we just open directly open it just shows what it's going to be like you know yeah
00:53:38
especially on YouTube yeah if you don't you're like if you don't like this one you're not gonna like the rest yeah so
00:53:44
but it is all started it's so-called inappropriate but then you're you're quoting a founding father or something
00:53:49
or whatever so it's like smart and you know like because they had to come up with an age of cassette I guess or
00:53:56
whatever they're driving no I mean that also that also didn't happen until like the 90s
00:54:02
that just happened oh okay well then it was Zero back then that was even worse
00:54:09
there was no there was no no rules you could marry your 12 year old cousin those days
00:54:16
all right anything else for this young man I had a good time talking um just uh just what's your head space
00:54:24
these days like when when we get off the zoom what are you were you feeling good you're gonna go out for ice cream with your girlfriend or what what where are
00:54:30
you no I gotta I gotta get in a car and drive across the George Washington Bridge to go to New York to go to Pennsylvania
00:54:38
get out of New York okay oh that's right I played Parks Casino a few months ago
00:54:45
and before I went out to go hey this is Buck County this is Trump country bucks
00:54:50
count yeah yeah so I just took my glasses off squinting my eyes and walked around as Biden there was like the Beatles that landed they were just it
00:54:57
was just like hey there's people so hungry and really tight hip flexors you know shaking hands with invisible people
00:55:03
it was like a two minute panel mine I mean uh conservative Crowds Are a little easier I don't know why that is well
00:55:09
that's yeah but for me I I run I run into this thing where I'm like I don't know I get weird about it because I was
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just in Florida and they were all all Trump so then it's too far in a way
00:55:21
yeah the second like because it's it's fun to do these jokes in New York where everyone gets upset yeah like if you go
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on stage and say Trump's the man it's funny in Manhattan it's funny yeah in Florida they're like yeah oh they're
00:55:33
taking it serious like it's a rally then yeah yeah that's not what I want I want this to be funny yeah
00:55:41
good lord well um so much fun uh looking at your stuff these last couple days and um
00:55:48
you're going to be fine I don't know what am I supposed to say I I just uh I've already landed on his feet he's all
00:55:55
right but it's good we'll we'll look forward to seeing you in person but yeah me too man you guys are awesome I'm a big fan thank you so much well it took
00:56:02
him an hour to say that Dana but whatever uh talking all the time the confidence we
00:56:09
give them I probably talked a little too for real I usually have podcasts regret and I go why did I say that why didn't I
00:56:16
let Shane finish that sentence that's exactly what happens I do podcasts constantly and there's not one podcast
00:56:22
that I don't have immense anxiety after yeah even if you're a guest like why did I interrupt him why didn't I say that
00:56:29
why did I what is that about so you have it too I'm glad I mean mine might be I'm
00:56:34
not alone mine might be from getting destroyed for something I said on podcast hey wait a minute I think you
00:56:41
got something there yeah yeah I see where you're going yeah that's could be from that time I got publicly crucified
00:56:47
yeah yeah it's part of it okay man well thanks buddy you guys roll
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