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all right let's tell them about uh Bill Burr Bill Burr great guy to have on we I
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got to chat with him for a while uh uh really funny comic super
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cool dude a guy my personal experience with him didn't know him well but we started uh voice texting each other during the
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pandemic and it was a lot of fun because he goes you know what well you do it better but you know he was just oh go
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ahead we were just bitching about stuff and it was really funny for a guy who I wasn't great friends with but I always thought he was funny and he always says
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ballsy or [ __ ] than I do on stage uh which is you know that's I always admire
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when people can do that and he's sort of uncancelable we talked like that and uh we just have a lot of laughs so when we
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see him one night we did a show together I have a picture of us me you him that's our Norm maybe that was the night where
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yeah it was us and uh he followed me and crushed of course and he was kind of
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humble about it he was I was just riding the wave you made you know so he's you know he has there's a definite Alpha
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power to him on stage but he's kind of cuddly and he he busts himself all the
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time I'm a [ __ ] [ __ ] what do I know I mean but he is probably one of the top five stand-ups of the last decade and he
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feels some big rooms you know yeah he's a brilliant stand up and he does ride that line where he can really comment
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deeply on things but never cross it anyway it's fun to hang out with very
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just just a cool cool guy um he does ballsy [ __ ] even his SNL my
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line we talked about that there's stuff where I see him Clips on Instagram or whatever and uh
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I'm like wow like stuff that obviously isn't the general opinion and he goes
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the other way with it and that's harder because it can stop the crowd in its tracks and then he digs out of it he
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gets him to get what he's talking about get on his side and he keeps going it's like [ __ ] it's there is that expectation
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I mean when they see you come out are they thinking your movies or they think
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you know they don't know much about this they don't want to get really the stand up no they don't I've learned they don't
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like it too dirty when I'm on the road they know me from PG-13 movies and sitcoms and that's
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mostly it they don't know stand up and that's how I got started so right they don't know what to expect
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and if it goes too rough they don't like it I found and also um I'm not political
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so if I got into that out of the blue I think that would throw people off so I just kind of do but I do like the stuff
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I'm doing I just I don't really want to be there to have tons of walkouts yeah I like all flavors
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what I love just say what I want but it's also just fun to try to make them laugh really hard but for me it's the
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whole weight of SNL on it and a few specials but they I can feel the whole
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audience kind of go like that when I go into a voice an impression or something so I can't complain what are you gonna
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do it's nice what are you gonna do I wish I you know I always when I was a kid which I think
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we tell Bill that I always thought the East Coast could beat up the West Coast yeah like if there's a fight the east
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coast and the West Coast are meeting in Minnesota to fight but I was wanting to be one of these guys like if I could
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talk like this it's normal it already has an aggression alpha male to it how you doing give me a [ __ ] cup of water
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I asked you two times what are you gonna do I need a [ __ ] cup of water I'm not gonna ask you again Paulie you know when
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you want to be that guy I like it yeah because that's always those pushy guys that when I moved SNL I didn't know uh
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women have accents too because I'm not like super smart but it just
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never happened it was always the guys like you know I mean them do them so when I
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see girls talk I go how you doing pretty good guy I'm like is this like what what
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sounds aggressive it's not sexual when you're with a woman like that think down your [ __ ] pants let's see what you
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got you know where's the boner I heard about come on hey Barbara come on I said
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drop them Barb no I I was really taken aback I'm like
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oh cause I'm from AZ in California everyone has just the most blando I know
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hello how are you I don't have a voice and I don't have a face I've said it before I'm not even a human being actually turn off the camera we look
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like [ __ ] this is ridiculous go wider Evan how much water or turn it off but it's it's on footsit Evan footsit is on
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camera today he's a world-renowned cinematographer and he goes nice and
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wide on us all right let's get to Bill Burr we're losing 80. let's get to Bill Burr because yeah here it is okay Bill
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Burr [Music] foreign [Music]
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bill you just go out there and you say your truth and you go with it they know you who you are in the comedy clubs
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nobody knows who you are here
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that sounds like him yeah he was just no but it's great advice say hello say you're happy to be here be
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nice right don't go right into the bits God you're a Gruff no-nonsense comedian
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they have no idea who you are so have a good show that's sort of it right I'm selling out
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all over the world no I I came on as a host not a cast member so I didn't yeah
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whatever happened to you guys didn't happen to me he was great she actually came on at the very end as
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a host as a the winner so Bill what is it about you that makes you so
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great yeah what's it about you that makes you great Dana because I'm curious that's a good that's a great question bill
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um I have a no [ __ ] clue I'm just trying to survive on the planet what's on your mind today because you you're a
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man of a lot of thoughts yeah Ah that's that's kind of a myth what is on my mind
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today I would love a cappuccino oh yeah and just sit there and watch everybody else driving around going nuts you know
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like yesterday I actually I actually had he can get you one where are you I actually had time yesterday with a buddy
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of mine we went to this this cigar uh shop on uh Larchmont
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and it was everything I loved about cigars it was just a bunch of Knucklehead old guys sitting out in
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front of this thing breaking each other's balls just laughing and one point where I'm listening to all their
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stories and you know about their families and sports and [ __ ] I'm just watching all these people driving by
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traffic and uh I don't know that was just one of those moments like yeah this this is
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actually living yeah yeah that's like that's like real life as opposed to gotta write a new
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joke I gotta go here I gotta call this guy I gotta do this I gotta go want two famous guys podcasts so they show off
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the background of their multi-layered Mansions I see what you guys are doing you're building a brand also yeah I'm at
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a Ramada Inn I thought I hope you could tell oh is that what it is that looks like a man to me how you landed that
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yeah stand up on SNL because I watched it again today because I like to do homework yep
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that was like uh uh threading the needle what would you call that we're I mean you'd vetted that
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in the clubs you knew where all the laughs were or was how did that feel going out there with the crowd that maybe didn't know you that well with the
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that whole white women and all that I just always look at it like I'm not trying to be
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I I'm not being malicious so and then it just because somebody
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heard it maliciously that doesn't mean just because you hear it doesn't mean that's like that's how I meant it and if
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I tell you that's not how I meant it like you don't get to overrule my own thoughts like it gets to the point of
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like yeah I know what I'm thinking yeah and then also what is going on on
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social media in you know in cities like LA and New York is not not even all of La it's not real
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it's just sort of this small group of people running around like chicken little
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like somebody asked me recently said what's the biggest thing threatening comedy I was like there's nothing threatening comedy
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well that's good like there's some asteroid coming here with some you know comedy hairy legged feminist feminist on
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it it's just like I I'm always astounded with how not funny people the people that are telling people what's funny and
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isn't like it goes back to like the the when I watch sports the amount of just out of
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shape fat [ __ ] questioning what happened like what were you doing on
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that play you should have written it's like when was the last time you ever ran other than to a [ __ ] Buffet
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so yeah I mean so I think that just that's just part of anything that uh
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that you do and presidents have to listen to comedians making fun of them over simplifying world events I do that
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all the time like hey why don't you just do this you know no way go to Saudi Arabia you
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tell the guy you need oil and you get the oil and tell everybody to chill out
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you smack them around if you gotta smack them around you smack them around I'll
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be selling like me for me for president t-shirts after my set yeah everybody every president goes in
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when they win the first day and they get in a room and someone goes forget your whole campaign forget everything we're starting from scratch right now this is
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how it really works and he's like oh okay there was a kind of a sensitivity
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to Biden just from someone who does Impressions initially right the first three months you start to go into it
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depending where you were and the artists get quiet they wouldn't boo they just get quiet because I think it was sort of
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he was supposed to be the grandfather of the country and calm us all down you know this was like in April of 2021 I
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don't think that's who he was I think he would if people wanted anybody but Trump so they picked a war Monger with
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dementia right and if you ding the demented War
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guy if you ding him you're making the orange Hitler happy so you don't want to make the orange
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Hitler happy so you can't ding the demented guy it's a fight I think we can I think both sides can agree
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our latest two representations have been the worst representations can a brother
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get a JFK can we get a 45 year old horny guy who can really speak go back to the
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horny guys well I mean just somebody with some you know something but that David really just
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applied chapstick during this podcast did that just happened no bills it's called Viagra and I put on my lips
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and it travels down to my rock hard boner sorry well that's
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do you ever hang out with you you ever hang out with someone and they're telling a story and they compliment their dick they go so I'm with this girl
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right and I've got this huge heart on
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that's what I was trying to do much information I don't wanna I will
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say though I always thought a rager was funny
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because you know no logical no logical decision is going to make once it's a
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rager yeah yeah it's driving this ship it's kind of angry yeah yeah when I was
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a kid I had a raging Rod like 24 7 and I remember just staring at girls in classes going I can't think of school I
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can't think of anything like it's too it's it's wrong I shouldn't have this it's not it's unfair because the girls
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couldn't give a fat [ __ ] about me so they're just like studying and looking like how are you looking at literature
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that was one of my classes and what was your nickname Again David in there's a couple there was uh shrimp shrimp
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cocktail shrimp cocktail there was uh Sprout which was horrible because it was based
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on the Jolly Green Giant and his little green Sprout remember that that was the name of him okay remember that that was
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brutal were you big in high school bill I mean were you you a small guy or were you average I was I was I was a face in
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the crowd I wasn't cool I wasn't a nerd I was just there a face in the crowd
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were you did you do any Athletics at all um I got a D in math in fifth grade and
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my Dad pulled everybody out of sports because I think you just didn't want to go because he was anti-social and then I
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remember After High School he said to me goes how come you never played football I was like I thought she didn't want me to
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yes which is complete horse [ __ ] because I just played football he felt I did play
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football and all he talked he screamed and yelled about how I was knocking what little brains I had out of my head he
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kind of saw CTE before anybody else I guess so there was
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that but I played like baseball I played like pond hockey and stuff I played a lot of I played a lot of sports but not
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organized so like we used to have this great game every Friday
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um of of tax just a tackle football game in the Outfield is some um little baseball field Minor League
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Baseball Field there for the kids and and we would just tell the stories and make everybody laugh
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on Monday I remember and then word kind of got out about the game and
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then the more popular athletes started playing and then like all of my regular friends just like tapped out and they
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stopped going because the competition got too high I think and and it was only like me and like two other guys stuck
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around to get our asses kicked uh but it was more it was more like that but I was
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definitely a uh you know I wasn't a nerd but I I was not I wasn't part of the cool kids I was you
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know I was right in the middle nerd is at least some you know moniker of just being a face in the crowd is almost
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worse just you're part of nothing oh yeah if I didn't do what I did for a living everyone would have forgot about me by now they would have forgot long
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ago yeah what was that I had orange kid's name Patrick Total Gym I have a poster of me
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and uh I have this picture of me Bill Burr Dana and Norm do you remember that night
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I had that right on my wall oh I sent that to you right I have one for you guys yeah I've got it here somewhere
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yeah yeah and uh Dana's is in the garage but mine's up and uh that was a fun
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night I think it was my night where I got to pick people to go on at The Comedy Store just like a stupid night like do you want to have your own night
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you pay your friends nothing and then you keep a little scratch from the door I'm like that sounds fun so uh we went
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and Norm I can't remember anything about that night with Norm do you remember anything that was fun show though I do I
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remember that was like a make a wish for me because it was like three of my most favorite Comedians and and guys from SNL on that
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show and uh I was just sitting there going I can't believe these guys even know who I
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am or want me to come down there and I remember Norm was as always holding Court yeah yes you know in the most
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quiet slowly like that usually if somebody's holding court
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that loud and boisterous he just is sort of like really still us and he would
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just get that look on his face and you're like oh hope this isn't aimed at me no he would
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he he took up a lot of space he was sneakily a pretty big guy and he was on laying back on the couch like laying way
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back back it was kind of big Comedy Store and you're right so laissez-faire like uh hey there's this guy you know
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shot his wife right and and you just lean in because usually it's something something kind of brilliant or bizarre I
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mean he had an irresistible rhythm sweet Norm we do Norm because we miss
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Norm we don't feel it's it no everyone knows that we think Norm's hysterical even if we say something he did that's
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crazy it's still out of uh good thoughts it's like when you guys when you guys do
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with those other stories because it humanizes them he could be he could be a dick everybody
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at some point is a dick to their friends sure sure well I was mad at him during
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covet because he kept saying damn it let's go to dinner and then I go all right how about a Friday he goes what I
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go how about Friday he goes what about covet Norm just come to my house and you
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sit 20 feet away from me no we can't and then he doesn't drive everything about him was a total [ __ ] Norm was a a
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raconteer he was um he was a flim-flam man you know he would just but I I would just start laughing
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every time he would say something that was a couch message toward me like he would point out the worst part of my act
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the most kind helpless kind of begging for a laugh stupid impression and he go
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yeah you should do more of that guy you know that's really funny but I knew he was [ __ ] with me so but I it just uh
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it was a Charming uh yeah actually a lot of gold in there yeah it's really good
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when you do Richard Nixon right A lot of people remember him right yeah more of Richard Nixon that'll make your act I
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did Dennis Miller's show in the old days bill you were just a little toddler Dennis is another brilliant guy yeah and
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I was Dennis Miller had a few iterations of his show and it was like a you know talk show so I I don't remember me and
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Norm were on there and I see this clip a lot so Norm's on I'm the second guest so I guess I was already on or we were on
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together and he's telling Dennis this long story about about I guess I thought it was boner
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pills or something that can't get boners and he goes and then they always have these commercials like hey do you need a rod you have to get your dick hard and
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I'm like why are they sending me this this commercial is for guys like Spade over here but actually it was it was it was and I
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was gay in the in the story so at the end he says that and Dennis goes well we're both like you went all that way
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just to end with [ __ ] ripping me and then it got a huge laugh when he ripped me and then they went to a commercial I
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go God damn Norm yeah but it's kind of fun to be a part of it that was just Norm yeah yeah I saw that I saw that
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clip [Music] I think first of all I might have
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introduced Dana to Bill backstage at the store once I think Dana and I came in yeah and I said oh Bill Burr's here uh
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you want to meet him and we went back and said hi to you and you were Bill were great and then bill and I used to
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also leave each other which I kind of miss those text voice messages
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and when you're gonna do that with Bill you know the [ __ ] funniest just no matter what he's saying it's funny to me
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so we would rag on different people we won't say who but we had rag on people and it was high sterical so then you
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know that was our our covered that's right we just left each other voicemail
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and then in the end we would always say we got to go get dinner sometime because we never did and then we were loud but I
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could handle it in with you and we could drag Dana if we want I'm a homebody but I will I will come out I we had all had
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dinner together who else was there was Kyle Dunnigan and Nikki
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yeah I wasn't at that one oh you were at the one which is three of
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us later did you go to any Bill did we go to dinner yeah back in the back room we got a back room like love it so
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somebody else was there I can't yeah we were technically breaking the law I think it was like a speakeasy back there
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it was a special coveted room we had our Mass off yeah yeah I had dinner I had
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dinner with Lovett's the other night oh you did yeah was it did you just run into him or was it planned no
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no it was totally planned and uh yeah he just [ __ ] on me the entire time
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we were hanging out it was just it was awesome so Bill yeah how are you are you making like a billion dollars
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yeah stuff like that is something that could help your act oh yeah he's always got a lot of act ideas
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no it's not ideas he's just trashing me oh he's trashing you he tells me you
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know what you should do and this would help everything and then he gives me a horrible idea uh I'm looking at this by
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the way Dana you know the Wilbur Theater in in Boston which I think I've played
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you I've played it I shot a goofy special there oh you did yeah now Bill do you know what I'm about to
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say I don't want to give Bill any compliments I promised myself I wouldn't it's a compliment alert
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yeah he has done 19 shows in a row there 19 in a row John Mulaney did 20. oh he
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did just to [ __ ] you I'mma has been oh what a joke oh wow so that throw down
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that's the gauntlet 21's the new standard it's like to be in the world champion here's the thing I'm from I'm
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from Massachusetts Delaney's from Chicago so what he did was not only one more was also more impressive so you can
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take that compliment Danny you can send it right over to John Mulaney John mulaney's so big I don't know now that
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he played Nebraska they set up a stage in the corner of the state and they're just the whole state stood up and they
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had loudspeakers he's doing 50 City 50 states one state each the whole but
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who's the guy who's the [ __ ] who sold out Fenway Park who the [ __ ] was that that's
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35 000 seats how do you even do it what do you do when you go there do you have any local bits like I was over here on
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Apollo Boulevard and was like [ __ ] yeah guy yeah there was a lot of that talking
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about that yeah so that was true two months ago right yeah you sold out
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Fenway Park yeah that was uh was it during a game and you came out at halftime what
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happened or was it just was it a bucket too it was it was
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it was kind of perfect it was like a perfect night for baseball and it turned out to be for comedy too and everybody
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came out for the comedy and it was like playing a giant Comedy Club I can't
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explain it it was I can't imagine I didn't have to speed up or slow down or adjust it just
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was me telling jokes and them laughing and uh every once in a while I would just sort
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of look in the crown and just at the back of it I just you know above home plate it said Fenway Park I couldn't I
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still can't believe where were you where was this stage second base or a pitcher's man where was that little
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stage they had you in it I was out in the center field center field okay yeah Senator field so how they seated is
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everybody sits on the Outfield they keep the infield yeah that makes you feel better Dana oh
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it's not thirty five thousand oh yeah that's probably I just got to get a pin I want to cross that out
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um and then yeah and then the all this this stands for filled up uh there's a few scattered singles left or whatever
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um that's just a product of the internet how that ended up happening because the internet destroyed the music industry
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and I just feel like it created a vacuum and something else had to fill it and I
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think the way uh oh interesting well just the way comedians are where
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because once people hear our jokes we have to come up with something new again you can't tell the same joke again everybody on the internet's just like oh
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my God it's another clip a week ago so like the way that we have to keep going and the way people on the internet just
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want to keep seeing something new what's the new latest thing it just sort of meshed because it doesn't make sense
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uh it doesn't make sense it wasn't like this it was Steve Martin was playing big Arenas when I grew up and maybe the
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Blues Brothers did a couple and I can't even think of just Comics that were maybe George Carlin it was Carlin Cosby
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yeah uh Steve for a while um Robin was really big yeah I don't
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know I don't know if Robin played stadiums but but I'm thinking like three thousand clay Dice Clay was a guy that
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dice got really big yeah dice was the first guy to do the Arenas before Steve
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Martin and then Dane Cook started yes and the new the new thing where
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uh he kind of showed people how to Brand themselves on uh social media and be directly linked with your fans and build
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a fan base I still think you have to be you got to be at some level compelling
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you can't just go on the internet and just be like hey you know I want I want some fans yeah yeah but we talk to a lot
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of people on this podcast who have leaped to master Square Garden like John Mulaney and Bert kreischner is doing 10
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000 Cedars he could he's huge in Germany and Australia just this new this new
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thing of we're podcasting and Netflix specials it seems like so many people not doing like 3000 seat theaters like
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you'd think they'd be doing or six thousand seat theaters but up to sheds and mini Arenas so anyway it's
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fascinating you're one of them oh yeah and I'm [ __ ] you're one of
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only like a hundred that do it I know but I'm saving the money too because I I know this is a real estate bubble we'll
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see what happens yeah I laughing noise that's another thing too
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it's not like uh you know I think the thing that probably takes you out is if you stop going to
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the comedy clubs as as a performer because then then you start Aging in dog years and there's something about going
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down they're not like you you have to pretend like you're young you still act your age but just being around
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young you just sort of absorb how to how to still be a 54 year old guy
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like me but be relevant where uh I remember you know when I was coming up with the Holy Grail was not anybody
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going to Madison Square Garden it was getting a sitcom that made it to syndication yeah and I remember seeing no I saw a good three or four of those
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guys come out of those eight year nine-year seven-year runs on a show and go back to
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a comedy club with their act from seven years ago and just I feel attacked you
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eat a dick that was me one of them was definitely David Spade
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Dana did I ever tell you how disappointed I was the first time I ever saw David Spade no let's hear that story
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oh it was just all attitude there was no punch lines you know just like yeah I'm
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on TV he had a seashell necklace I just you know it was just terrible
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actually the first time I saw David he was he was on a pay phone outside of the salon goes Payphone
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outside the uh The Improv on Melrose and he had a hat on you know because he was on SNL at the time or maybe he was yeah
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I think he was doing that would just shoot me or something yeah yeah and I just remember thinking like holy [ __ ] that's [ __ ] David Spade yeah it's a
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big moment then I got to know him I was like ah this [ __ ] idiot he has been part of the comedy landscape David has
00:27:03
for 40 years it's unbelievable ah and let's not round it up
00:27:08
first six for 63 years like late 80s was that young comedian special with that
00:27:14
yeah did you see that I loved it Schneider Jan Karam uh Drake saver Drake
00:27:23
was great yeah Fred Stoller Fred Stoller oh you bastards I'll take you all down
00:27:29
with me yeah oh Freddy's yeah yeah wow passed away soon out you
00:27:37
know I will tell you that's special what I remember is I wasn't supposed to be on
00:27:42
it no more no more oh yeah YouTube oh yeah I know I remember all that [ __ ] I
00:27:48
don't know what you're saying dude I don't even know which one you guys are singing I'm supposed to read your lips those were I you know I stumbled into
00:27:55
some good jokes starting out because I didn't have a lot to compare to when I was in Arizona and so I couldn't really
00:28:01
copy everyone because I wasn't I didn't know what was going on when I first went not this sounds crazy but it was just a
00:28:08
comedy club and I decided to be fun to go do comedy and I was telling the guy before me some stuff from a Billy
00:28:14
Crystal album I was gonna do and he goes yeah I wouldn't do that and I go and go they go they want you to just make up
00:28:20
your own stuff I go oh well that's [ __ ] who does that like that's way harder I just thought I was
00:28:27
such a performer I go I could do this because I memorized it was so dumb but I didn't know anything I was 19 and then
00:28:33
uh so I did Billy Crystal's act for the first four years and then uh no I didn't
00:28:38
but I I did get stopped luckily because I would have done it wouldn't have killed me because it's like a dumb Club
00:28:44
but I didn't know anything so then you get older and you try to do better but I
00:28:50
don't know where this is heading I have no idea I think you're more experimental and then you kind of learn how to do it and you get more you know sounding like
00:28:57
a comedian then you try to get away from that that's special did you ever audition for those because they had them for a while on HBO and that was sort of
00:29:03
the only game in town in La we would do it and then every year it would come around and you try to get if you had an
00:29:10
agent or showcase The Improv to get your young comedian special and then uh I
00:29:16
they said next year will probably be your year I did it three times didn't get on and that one they picked five and
00:29:23
they said [ __ ] you were sick sorry and I was like oh my God and luckily my
00:29:28
management was somehow producing that year only and then Dennis Miller was the host and they both said squeeze one more
00:29:35
[ __ ] in there who cares just and Dennis Miller championed David yeah Dennis Dennis helped me get on that and
00:29:42
then we did it and then Warren I remember I thought it was so ballsy because he was a crowd work guy and he
00:29:49
was doing outwork on the special uh and they they couldn't use all of it
00:29:54
because like this guy where did you eat tonight you know some nights that's really hit or miss some night it kills
00:29:59
and that that night it wasn't killing and in my head I was just going over my six minutes every night going how would
00:30:07
you do just the gamble of getting on this thing and doing crowd work he did pretty good but overall the uh you know
00:30:15
it came on and Rob and I got SNL off of that for sure I've always hated crowd work
00:30:22
forced crowd work like if you know only if something happens and and you interact that's cool but to just go up
00:30:29
there and do that like I just feel like the crowd always like no matter what you
00:30:34
say to them they like lose their mind like oh my God how did he just come off the top of his
00:30:41
head to tell me to go [ __ ] myself that's right I always just thought it
00:30:46
was you know I bet I felt that way and then I also thought like uh doing jokes about sex unless you had a
00:30:53
really specific story mm-hmm because you know because I did both of those things I played with the
00:30:59
crowd and I also had like sex stories and it was just like yeah I remember being on stage like as
00:31:04
the crowd was laughing it's like it's not that funny yeah you even telling the crowd it's not that funny settle down
00:31:10
settle down it's like everybody everybody laughs at a dick joke so um and then I also noticed you know when
00:31:17
I was on the road a lot of the uh the road dogs like when you were wondering when they
00:31:23
were going to wrap up this set was when they started talking about sex it's like all right he's working towards his
00:31:29
closer and once they started talking about sex they never went anywhere else
00:31:34
because nothing's going to follow it yeah you know have you ever seen a guy at the
00:31:39
store or you're at the umbrella and they do uh to the audience at home when you get the light as a comic let's say
00:31:45
you're doing 20 minutes to give you the lighted 17 or 18 minutes meaning if you
00:31:50
don't know where you are you've only got three minutes left so you see Comics do that and then they do another chunk then
00:31:56
another chunk and you're waiting to go on and then they have the balls to go so what else is going on
00:32:02
you have to be off five minutes ago yeah what else is going on as the [ __ ] light came on yeah yeah we're doing at
00:32:08
the beginning and don't milk it you're supposed to walk up you're trying to stay on now uh bill in your early early
00:32:16
days and stuff did you have auditions either for a manager an agent TV show or
00:32:21
stand up where it didn't go so well oh yeah all right look we're here because
00:32:27
you're so confident on stage in these last 10 years 15 years of my career I remember uh
00:32:34
I finally killed on one of them one of those awful showcases and the lady was and and some big woman agent
00:32:42
my manager at the time asked what you think she's like he's funny but he has a weird look and I knew what that meant it
00:32:48
meant he's a he's a redhead he's a ginger it was like a rule like it's like wow he's like the friend what am I going
00:32:54
to do with this he's not getting a girl he doesn't get the gun you know it was like uh all right well if we need
00:33:00
another Ralph mouth I guess I found the guy so there was a lot of uh
00:33:06
a lot of that there was um I don't remember it was so long ago
00:33:11
but Jesus Christ I mean I was a terrible actor and I would go in I would make these big dumb choices and I'd bring
00:33:16
props in you know like just desperate just desperation I did props uh yeah
00:33:22
what turned it when did you like get your style and start to kick ass I mean
00:33:27
how many years in did you become Bill Burr like it like 15 years uh yeah 17.
00:33:35
yeah and then all of a sudden 17-year overnight success no I think I did that
00:33:41
half hour for HBO and that got me a little momentum and then uh yeah I just had to keep
00:33:49
doing specials is with each special I got a little more credibility and it was
00:33:54
um you know I I kind of had to go the long way around but I was hap like I didn't
00:33:59
really start making good money until my 40s but like I feel like that's a better route to take than to be like David
00:34:06
Spade and be like you know like the leaf Garrett at comedy 20 21 he was in a
00:34:12
movie yeah 21 I beat like being on being on the cover of dynamite magazine
00:34:17
remember that if I wish yeah did somebody just knock
00:34:39
what is this guy got a little sugar in his tank Jesus now we're gonna get full Bill Burr
00:34:47
now with the cafe now that people now realize that being a homophobic is is a uh is a stupid thing
00:34:54
to do like I don't think they'll ever understand just the the littlest of behavior that
00:35:02
would just get you gay bashed even as a straight person anything anything if you picked up a coffee cup and your pinky
00:35:08
was out a little bit oh yeah whoa the shot the size of what David was just drinking out of okay forget about it
00:35:15
they would even make fun I'm putting lipstick on oh yeah you couldn't possibly do it yeah I just like how
00:35:22
you're doing that with with while having the audacity you have a nice Burt Reynolds mustache I got a cool beard got
00:35:29
it oh okay it's so sickening I I like it it's see-through dude I don't know what to do it's very Dwayne Allman or Greg
00:35:37
Allman I know I get compared to people that are horrendous and that's that you know it's fine
00:35:43
no angel [Music]
00:35:49
listen I I'm gonna give bill not a compliment I'm gonna ask him a
00:35:54
question okay when you were on sick of calling we could give him a compliment
00:36:00
no he's not yeah I bet maybe not he's gone too far yeah uh when you go to SNL
00:36:05
because again you skipped our brutal like crybaby [ __ ] about how we were there and we were ignored by Lauren but
00:36:12
you just went as a host so you're the jolly good fellow do you because you're a great writer do you write sketches or
00:36:18
do you say I've gotta do you start the week and go I'll do my own monologue I'll worry about that but you guys write
00:36:24
me sketches or do you say I want to help write a sketch or anything like that well I've only done the show once so I
00:36:31
came in there and whatever they wanted to do I was cool with and fortunately they had really funny ideas and I love
00:36:38
the ones that they picked and it was just like you know writing stand-up comedy and then writing sketches too
00:36:45
completely completely different things I've learned that the hard way I found out too yeah yeah it's it's the yeah
00:36:53
it's two completely different things so I just was you know I got some good advice from people like
00:36:59
they would come in all you got to do you know what oh Chris Rock hosted the week before and when I was in town early enough that I got to watch him
00:37:05
do his show and he told me afterwards he goes let's just just go out and kill the monologue that's what you
00:37:11
have to do kill the monologue and then you're gonna be working with these these sketch actors and they're gonna they're gonna
00:37:16
probably yeah as long as you Pete Davidson help me out too you know as long as you're cool as long as you're cool guy everyone's gonna help you out
00:37:23
if you're being a dick then that's the treatment you're gonna get so I pretended I was nice David yeah that's
00:37:30
tough for six days or however long it was uh you had to Bluff them uh but yeah you're right when you got when
00:37:36
everybody's good there and everybody you realize later wants you to do good it makes them do good look good so you put
00:37:43
your trust in some some Comics would come in and say like even dice but you know I understand
00:37:48
back then they go I got my own writers and uh I know what you guys are going to try to make me do but we want to do
00:37:53
funny stuff and already it's like antagonists I was gonna say that's a that's a fun way to enter yeah that's
00:38:00
and that doesn't go well because you know I got hired as a writer mostly and you're hiring a guy because I've got a
00:38:07
decent stand-up act basically 25 minutes but I'm supposed to write sketches which is a whole 180. I mean I I did think I
00:38:15
had some funny bones to me but it took so long to figure out how to write a sketch it's just a whole different ball
00:38:21
game but uh and then I like I like the one I was just thinking I saw one where
00:38:27
you were a sports guy and you were and you and the Bears beat the you know you're to explain it at home two sports
00:38:34
guys Keenan is one African-American female as a host you're the guy saying
00:38:40
hey my my team beat the [ __ ] out of your team and then what happened was an
00:38:45
African-American kid was shot the night before and no one saw the game except you because you're white and you didn't
00:38:51
see and I'm thinking well I guess Taylor Swift isn't doing this sketch but I was thinking this is the one bill would say
00:38:56
give me that one or they would write for you and say someone will come along and do this and it's interesting that they
00:39:03
give you stuff like that because it probably is more exciting well what's funny is
00:39:08
is the people that you're gonna are gonna get offended by that are actually white people who get offended for black
00:39:16
people it's just like you're nuts and I don't I don't it's I I feel like the white people that are like
00:39:23
that it's because they have such little interaction you know with anybody else so they don't
00:39:29
understand like where or what is funny or what as long as you're not being malicious sure and the
00:39:35
and then the fact that there's there's two black people in the sketch you gotta think that what you're doing they're
00:39:40
cool with that if they've never heard the sketch until you're doing it they're like wait what are we doing they'll come
00:39:45
out oh my God my heart breaks for Keenan in this sketch you know and they'll have
00:39:52
their BLM sign in their window which is my favorite like laziest white I'm
00:39:58
helping you out thing ever I got you write BLM on a piece of copier paper and
00:40:03
you put it in your window and you're like and back to my life and that's fixed yes
00:40:10
I am a a warrior I'm an ally yeah because some of those sketches I
00:40:15
mean obviously it's great you you know everyone's there you got good writing and sketches are
00:40:21
uh good writing and when you do a good writing you'd hope it's harder to be offended and especially everyone's in on
00:40:27
it um in your stand up I do stand up and I you know every Comics like or people ask
00:40:33
me oh we think you're gonna get canceled you were talking about this or in your special you talked about pedophiles and
00:40:38
this and that I go it's all where it's coming from if you are angry at another
00:40:43
race and yelling and screaming that is racism if you're doing jokes or about this that everything's coming from a
00:40:50
funny place or I think this is funny there's no hate here whatever I'm doing about any subject
00:40:55
I'm coming to make you laugh it's so weird when they get so mad about it I I kind of hear what you're saying it's not
00:41:02
a lot of people it's just two percent it's just that this business acted like two percent was 98 yeah
00:41:09
because they listened to their corporate lawyers because you know I have empathy for people that are are in the industry because if we if we go
00:41:17
if we do stuff and it flops we got our stand up we gotta podcast whatever I just talked to somebody about this if
00:41:22
they do something and it flops then they lose their job and they're like I don't have health insurance I got this not I
00:41:28
gotta pay and my kids in school and [ __ ] so they have to be way more conservative
00:41:34
and I think it's a lot easier for us to be like hey man why don't you [ __ ] let me create here you know but let me
00:41:40
let him put your career in the balance and the trajectory was someone's offensive or starts to get canceled for
00:41:48
me I just wait and I go okay what are the corporations gonna do you have the mob on Twitter but okay that's the
00:41:54
corporate dropping dropping then it's the agency drops them and that's that's
00:42:00
how it goes and then you are sort of on the outs for a while but it's really up to the agency manager and the
00:42:06
corporations they don't need the headache at a certain point they don't want to be you know well you don't get
00:42:11
they don't get canceled as much like it's like you can't go book a gig you get sort of sent back in time in your
00:42:16
career yeah you have to go back in line and have a time yeah before you can get back yeah yeah so but I've just I've
00:42:24
just sort of acted like none of that was happening it's been my formula on how to get through this perceived difficult
00:42:31
time it's just you know there was a lot of bad [ __ ] happening that needed to be addressed and like most of the time you
00:42:37
know when the cork flies off the bottle there's an over a correction or whatever and I think it's starting to go back
00:42:46
I don't buy to like certain people like that you know that they should never work again it's
00:42:51
like all right if you do some Weinstein [ __ ] I understand that but other stuff it's just like there's people getting paroled
00:42:57
out of jail every day and are allowed to put their [ __ ] lives back together so yeah especially when there's no uh
00:43:04
court case there's no due process there's no hearing that you can't cancel something you're part of the problem
00:43:10
Dana I know I know I judge everyone that I see and they should be canceled
00:43:16
I mean I don't I don't even think that that it doesn't I think they've ran out of people
00:43:22
well it's yeah I think when you're one person on Twitter in in the middle of the country and you it's sort of a power
00:43:29
move you go I could say this and let's see if I can get some [ __ ] started about somebody because I personally didn't
00:43:35
like this and I'm gonna make it a point I'm gonna write every company and I'm gonna write in because that's what it
00:43:41
doesn't get 90 of the time every day it's not happening I think it it in the beginning it happened a lot and then
00:43:47
they kind of you know got rid of the people that had like the the button under their desk that locked
00:43:54
the door all of those [ __ ] lunatics I mean yeah yeah you get rid of all of those big get the big fish out and then
00:44:00
now it's like it's sort of like okay you have to sort of really screw up I used to do a bit about where did all the
00:44:06
canceled people go are they on an island and I call it Predator Island and Arnold
00:44:11
was the host welcome to Predator Island where we hunt the you know this hobby Weinstein over there and we will go to a
00:44:18
racist Lagoon that's Roseanne ball and Friends Woody Allen what do you do in here Run for the brambles or lay down
00:44:24
grandfile you know so it was it was a long thing but I started to run out of people you're right you know but you
00:44:31
also should do is they should do it almost like Survivor and you can win a challenge to get back into mainstream
00:44:36
Hollywood oh that's a good idea Charlie Rose and Tom Brokaw have formed the team
00:44:42
he's an alliance anything with Arnold's accent is allowed
00:44:48
here comes the dog he's a racist Lagoon racist Lagoon
00:44:55
yeah Jesse Smollett on there too I mean you just put everyone in there you know what I love about that joke is the word
00:45:01
Lagoon because I know you picked that word because it's just fun to hear Arnold say it
00:45:10
that's right yes I like that and Hulk's Mountain Hawks Mountain Justice mullet
00:45:16
on the Hulk smell Mountain so it was just like it's like Disneyland escape
00:45:23
from hoax Mountain yeah so that that case was so bizarre
00:45:29
that that was one of the ones I never did a joke about it because I felt like to be already on TV
00:45:36
already making that money already getting that level of attention and then you had to have you had like this this
00:45:42
victim fantasy that you paid people acted up like there was like it's like
00:45:47
this guy's like mentally ill like that you that you're gonna be like he's a TV star he thinks he's gonna do that I mean
00:45:54
that's like when you watch those first 48s and somebody's never committed a crime in their life and then they try to
00:45:59
get away with murder and they go like to the local pub yeah why who wants to kill my wife yeah
00:46:07
within two seconds they get within two seconds they're talking to an undercover cop yeah they're always [ __ ] Chevy
00:46:14
Cavalier and they're just arrested and their whole life is over I'm learning Bill I'm learning that on
00:46:22
Craigslist there's no real Hitman anymore it's all undercover cops every time I look for a real Hitman it's just
00:46:29
the undercover guy and I'm like is there any real ones left I have a friend of
00:46:34
mine that uh is a district attorney and he was telling me how funny it was he
00:46:40
said he goes the amount of times in my my law career someone would come in and
00:46:46
say somebody broke into my house or the cops would come with the case that's right they would talk to the cops and
00:46:51
then before he was Prosecuting they would come in and they would talk to the cops say I think my neighbors took my
00:46:56
stuff and they would be like all right what's his name and they would say his
00:47:01
name and then they would type it into Facebook and the guy the idiot would be on Facebook with all the stolen [ __ ]
00:47:08
behind him and like cash totally convict himself yeah and I said like what percentage of
00:47:15
people would do that he said like 15 like like that was such a ridiculously
00:47:20
high number too high yeah that like dude it's your neighbor he knows your name and you're gonna put his his stolen TV
00:47:26
behind you Bill do you ever play this game with your wife like if you like say to your
00:47:32
wife you need if you were gonna kill me what would you do and if I was gonna kill you this is what I do because I I
00:47:37
told my wife that this is how I how I would do it well see I want to hear what you but mine was that we would go for a
00:47:44
hike and there would be a steep cliff and I'd just be like boom just push her really fast and then that's it and now
00:47:50
would you say boom when you pushed her is that part of it too that was me as a stand-up trying to kill in the room here
00:47:57
but uh we did it's just a little inside joke you probably I'm seeing you as more this is just a fantasy if you had to
00:48:04
kill someone say you want to get rid of spade because he stole some of your bits slow slow poisoning is my prediction for
00:48:10
you well I learned talking to a cop one time because we tried I was doing a podcast in me and the co-host we tried
00:48:17
to come up with the perfect murder we had an ex-cop on there and he goes okay let's hear yours I go oh I love it he's
00:48:23
gonna troubleshoot it so I go all right I go I go Okay so me and a buddy of Mind get
00:48:29
in the car and he goes That's it he goes you're caught and I go what he goes you can't you
00:48:36
can't involve somebody else the second you involve somebody else somebody's gonna get nervous somebody's gonna go to
00:48:41
the cops somebody's going to talk to try to plea that thing down I didn't even get out of the gate so
00:48:48
um I don't know I don't think you know what it is I I will tell you this this is something I don't think I've ever talked
00:48:53
about it's like I think vengeance is one of the darkest
00:48:58
emotions that human beings have oh yeah and I just it it scares me I think about
00:49:04
it sometimes like you know somebody ripped me off this [ __ ] year and I thought about doing [ __ ] you know and
00:49:10
it's just like it's just at the end of the day it's just bad I I don't know so if I was gonna
00:49:17
kill David Spade there's something about there's something so puppy-ish about David Spade that like I think I would I
00:49:24
think I would put him in like a bag like kittens you know and then hit me with like no with rocks in it oh and I would
00:49:32
just throw them over and listen to meow Mew as he went over the bridge I didn't mean this literally but the perfect
00:49:37
murder is a good subject did the cop ever really say what he and yeah give me a good one
00:49:44
a gun made of ice cubes or what what did he say gun made of ice cubes I think he told the cop out that would melt the
00:49:50
weapon would melt you know it's kind of irresponsible you guys wanted because I can tell you he told us to it oh it's
00:49:56
irresponsible because people will hear it and no one hears this I don't know well he said basically if you have no
00:50:02
priors mm-hmm all right if you have no prior convictions and you killed somebody just
00:50:08
that you're completely are you writing this down oh yeah you say you're insane you if you
00:50:15
kill somebody you have no connection to whatsoever and nobody sees you do it
00:50:20
hard to get caught I mean what what is there there's nothing
00:50:25
yeah there's there's nothing but it's the forensic stuff though right the evidence the hairs and the blood no it's
00:50:31
so many times your film Bill like I see these shows sometimes and everyone's filmed everywhere they're walking out
00:50:36
they're doing that's true there was a guy there was a guy in the [ __ ] Valley there's a uh you know that that music venue uh the baked potato yeah
00:50:44
um famous uh place where all these like Arena level like crazy Jazz and and and
00:50:50
and Studio musicians Jam at and right next to it a few blocks up is a a
00:50:55
recording studio for music and this guy thought that they ripped him up so he went down there on a Sunday and he lit
00:51:02
the place on fire not knowing there was people in there and people died from the smoke because they were in the soundproof room they had the whole crime
00:51:08
on film he pulled up to the Mobile station took out the gas can filled it up wow
00:51:16
yeah everything then they had they had the city cameras of him walking across the street with the gas can and then
00:51:22
every business up the block had him going by yeah and it was that's like Keystone Cops
00:51:30
that's the problem it's so much the fact that he killed people like that's the thing like that's that thing when she
00:51:36
become like a parent uh yeah that could stop just being like a cartoon it's like that was somebody's brother that was
00:51:41
somebody's sister or parent no it was just some dumb [ __ ] and they didn't even do it but like that [ __ ] idiot
00:51:48
and and that and it was just like the level with which that they didn't think that out they just were like oh it's closed on Sundays I'm just gonna do like
00:51:55
to not even think um well I'm gonna go on record say I'm
00:52:00
anti-murder no we're we're against but I am I am fascinated by the the subject of
00:52:06
of crime and also all the cameras uh dude wait let me ask Bill why are we so
00:52:11
many I don't want to say women but there's a lot of people that watch just these crime shows and they're so into it and
00:52:18
and it's the biggest podcast it's like uh you know the decapitation
00:52:24
Diaries is beating you this week I'm like what that's a whole podcast my wife says that she watches them because she
00:52:31
tries to think like what she would do in that situation which I kind of go with but like
00:52:37
I I just can't like I I don't know I I don't like going to bed watching [ __ ] like that but like I remember I used to
00:52:44
this bit um when that Michael Jackson documentary came out and this guy was going you see
00:52:49
that Michael Jackson documentary and I was like no and he's like ah he's like you gotta say it and it's just like I
00:52:56
really don't want to have my entertainment for the evening to be alleged pedophilia testimony like I'm
00:53:02
sitting here eating popcorn testimony yeah and then and then did he touch your little Ding-A-Ling and I'm sitting there
00:53:07
with like you know eating a Hot Pocket and like you getting molested as a child
00:53:13
is my entertainment like what can I watch tonight I could watch Yellowstone Breaking Bad or you talking about
00:53:20
getting molested by Mr Jackson's penis which by the way I
00:53:25
I gotta get uh I gotta get into Yellowstone because everybody is telling me it's just it's
00:53:31
[ __ ] amazing and I love Kevin Costner so I I got to get into it Costner's great it's it's pretty simple but it's
00:53:37
it's kind of it's you know what I call Brain candy you're out the scenery is amazing it's it's uh Cowboys fighting
00:53:44
each other it's just like so easy to watch I mean I do Sports a lot especially now NBA is on every night
00:53:50
that's what's your brain candy would it be sports right to just what you're gonna watch to calm yourself down from
00:53:56
your daily noise yeah uh yeah I like watching sports and uh I like music and
00:54:03
I have uh my garage I sound proofed it and I I bought this beautiful set of Gretch broadcaster drums and
00:54:12
um I just go down there and oh you play yeah I just [ __ ] whale on them
00:54:20
[Music] uh hi everybody this is Dana by the way
00:54:25
right now uh we're gonna go on a long tangent probably 20 minutes bill and I
00:54:31
and David about his love of drumming and he's so excited and so happy and I loved
00:54:38
it but it's a little bit technical but I hope you enjoy it or you can click off goodbye
00:54:44
do you jam to music or just by yourself or does it have a drum track or music
00:54:50
you play along with um if I'm having a good day like I sit
00:54:56
down and there's actually ideas for the first time ever I've been playing like on and off for 30 years and all I did my
00:55:02
first like 20 seven years of playing all I would do
00:55:08
was listen to a drum track and then learn how to play it and it was someday I just finally woke
00:55:14
up and I was thinking like you know if I did this same approach the stand-up comedy I'd be a joke Thief like I I
00:55:20
haven't I'm not playing drums I'm doing drums right and along the way I met this
00:55:25
great um drum teacher Dave elich and uh so like when I have time I go uh
00:55:34
I go play drums with him and we do this in just trading force and it's really
00:55:40
um embarrassing at first and really exposes you when you actually have to come up with like your own ideas and you feel stupid it was like a lot of like
00:55:47
almost took me back to the beginning to learning comedy and one of my favorite memories ever of playing drums was in
00:55:54
the Netflix um Comedy Festival I was fortunate enough I got to do a show at the Forum
00:56:00
and before the Forum I did a drum lesson with my teacher in
00:56:05
the empty Forum in the round wow with with a uh I played a Vista light and he
00:56:11
had the the the bottom the uh the steel kit that he had the last kid he had before he unfortunately passed away and
00:56:18
we just jammed in the middle trading fours and what I loved about it was Dave
00:56:24
has gone on tour with all these big people so he's played drums at like you know the Cowboys stadium and everything but just to do that and just have fun
00:56:30
dude he had the biggest grin on his face like both of us were just sitting there cheesing in the middle of it and uh in a
00:56:38
lot of ways it was more fun than the show because the show it's like I'm at work I'm doing a job and I this
00:56:43
is pressure of like people have spent money they got a sitter I have to deliver where that was like total
00:56:49
freedom of like make it ask yourself fall on your face and all of that stuff so
00:56:55
um are you is that is that like a heavy metal set you've got I mean a lot of symbols a lot of TOMS because no no I
00:57:02
but always been into like Steve Jordan uh
00:57:08
um I always just loved all the all the music that he could get out of like a
00:57:13
little like four piece kit five piece kit and uh when I you know at first when
00:57:19
I would listen to all the metal and all of that [ __ ] um I was in that you know wanting a double
00:57:25
bass kit and having all these jobs well bottom played a small kick like I just wanted to play like one of those
00:57:31
big yeah massive yeah yeah so spinal tap kit right and then Guns and Roses came
00:57:38
out and Steven Adler came up and and had a four piece kit and if you really go
00:57:44
back and listen to Appetite for Destruction um and just the amount of music and like
00:57:51
it's it's very rare that there's a drummer that if you took out all the other instruments and you just played the drum track then a non-musician would
00:57:58
know what song it was yeah because because it's a weird thing where like a guitarist has to play a different riff
00:58:03
every time but you can be a drummer and kind of play the same beat as long as you keep in time but the creativity that
00:58:10
he had um with that little kit he actually influenced everybody if you watch once
00:58:17
he came out and Guns and Roses hit all of those guys strip down their kits even the guys with the double bass double two
00:58:23
double basses they went to like the double pedal except for the thrash guys right now the trash guys like that's
00:58:31
like you know they're like I always looked at them like uh he's like Pantera and Slayer that kind of [ __ ] yeah
00:58:37
they're like the outlaw bikers where it's like you gotta ride a [ __ ] Road King so they got they got the big ass
00:58:42
you know the 24 inch kits three up two down or four up or whatever but
00:58:48
um yeah you have the big four of them and then like Vinnie Paul rest his soul man like that guy
00:58:55
um like just the groove that he played because I felt like
00:59:01
I think when she got like double bass and all that stuff that they it's really hard not to overplay I felt like a lot
00:59:07
of guys you know and it's it's like you're supposed to be saying something you're not supposed to be talking to me like an Auctioneer like going like a
00:59:14
zillion miles an hour less choices let me ask you a question about um you know uh Metallica like so they're
00:59:22
in their mid 50s and they have all that heavy metal and you watch Lars and stuff and they're doing it but at some point
00:59:28
there there there's a fitness aspect to that to be able to to do that for like
00:59:33
an hour in your mid 50s it just seems like it's an athletic thing they must do a lot to
00:59:40
keep their calves in shape you know for them It's your Technique if your Technique
00:59:45
you do it so without trying that hard in a way right you're so well if you watch like Buddy Rich
00:59:51
I watched him last night I watch his solos all the time yeah Dana plays and
00:59:58
and I know he plays he's a great drummer uh Joe Morello um yeah disguised the way they they play
01:00:06
Dave Brubeck because I'm going back to Classic guys I'm so light um but that technique was Flawless so
01:00:13
the sticks are going a million miles an hour but their forearms nothing's tight everything's loose
01:00:20
uh Stephen Adler plays loose like if you play like loose and you understand breathing and all of that that Dave
01:00:27
Elitch has this I mean to be his Agent Man he's got this whole great thing on about like when I started playing drums
01:00:33
with him it was nothing about drumming it was all about how it was sitting the way I was breathing if I was holding
01:00:39
tension in my jaw or anything like he's like all of that affects what you're what you're playing so like
01:00:45
those guys that play super super fast those like some of those guys like the
01:00:50
guy uh um uh Thomas hockey I think is how you say his name the guy from um from ashuga
01:00:58
they got a song called bleed that's sort of like I think for this Century it's sort of like the uh the the the sort of
01:01:06
like I would think like back in the day remember there was always a guy like who played guitars like dude that there's a
01:01:12
guy Two Towns over that can play eruption you know what I mean that's who this is over
01:01:20
Deuce yeah um he has a thing um
01:01:27
this song called bleed and it and it's it's it's just it's just one it's it's a
01:01:32
polyrhythmic thing Danny you got to listen to it like uh what's his name all YouTube it tonight so uh Meshuggah and
01:01:39
it's called bleed and I if you ever get a [ __ ] chance to see that band live
01:01:46
like the level of musicianship that is going on is like uh I don't even
01:01:55
know and it still grooves though because it's not one of those um difficult for difficult
01:02:01
sake it's there's a purpose behind what they're doing so it's like it's rooted in the ground and even the first time
01:02:08
you see them like you you know that they're special and even though if you if because they they my ears took me years
01:02:14
to catch up to what they were doing just as far as like what I was listening to and
01:02:19
um I think they recently just came around but I got tinnitus in this ear and it was really acting up and I just couldn't
01:02:25
go see anything loud I had to kind of like lay off it for a minute well I love hearing you talk about this it's so cool
01:02:30
yeah you know because we know you as a comedian but your passion around this is like pal you know it's like it's fun to
01:02:36
have something else and I I love it too I I've I did some jamming in high school in my 20s and 30s with a little band and
01:02:42
stuff it's so much fun much better than comedy it's just it is you know what I like about it I like so like I always
01:02:48
wish I had that experience of like a band having to win over a crowd like
01:02:54
I've done that as a comedian and it makes you feel good it makes you feel strong but it's a it's a solitary thing
01:03:01
yeah like I would just think if you got up there and the crowd was like boony or whatever and the guitarist just gave you
01:03:07
a look almost like like a quarterback this kind of gives a wide receiver look and the guy knows that whatever I said
01:03:13
in the Huddle [ __ ] that just take off I'm gonna throw you on like to have a guitarist look at you like that and then
01:03:19
and you know that you guys are locked in like [ __ ] these guys and you win them over like that's sort of like you know
01:03:26
almost like uh uh like a Band of Brothers like a military thing I I just think that that experience I remember
01:03:32
seeing that like uh well one of AC DC's drummers it wasn't Phil Rudd I think it was Simon Wright
01:03:38
they were asking what's it like playing those songs every night he goes you know sometimes you get tired but you know he
01:03:43
goes Angus just gives you a look and it's just like all right man Angus gave me the look like I'm not gonna like I
01:03:50
just I get like uh can't explain it man when I read stories like that I I think might be the sports background yeah I
01:03:57
get like amped up like I want to have a good show or something like that I I was in New York doing a benefit long story
01:04:02
but I ended up playing with uh it was Lou Reed and it was Take a Walk on the Wild Side it was all comedy band but I
01:04:08
was the drummer and I didn't have a monitor and I was just trying to get the groove I didn't have a monitor and then
01:04:14
after the rehearsal Reed looks at me it was kind of an intimidating guy goes he goes don't do that whatever you're doing
01:04:19
don't do that I I go whoa I go Lou I can't hear myself but they did get a little monitor for me and I wrote up oh
01:04:26
yeah it's not a hard beat but if you can't hear it you want to be right what did he think you were doing trying to throw it I I just don't I I think I was
01:04:33
slightly off time because I you know I couldn't yeah you need that's the worst yeah then what I do is I just I just
01:04:39
look at whoever's out in front of me I just look where they're tapping their foot yeah it's like you're underwater
01:04:46
you can't even hear what they're doing and then you're just kind of like well once I lock into like I'm just usually
01:04:52
the bass player is who I'll end up looking at and hopefully they're out front enough where I can see their leg
01:04:57
and hopefully somebody turns around you're like dude I can't hear you guys wow you can't hear me behind it Ringo
01:05:02
said he would just watch Paul McCartney's ass because Paul would kind of wiggle it he said and that was his way of keeping time yeah he couldn't
01:05:10
hear anything they had no monitors and anyway wow that's so cool I love I love
01:05:16
that hey let's do this thing where we say we're gonna get together and have dinner yeah and then it won't happen
01:05:22
why don't we get together in gym you play like every instrument don't you Dana very rudimentarily I mean I don't
01:05:29
have a drum set down here it's up in the garage in Marin County so I I drum on my
01:05:34
laptop all the time and I'm drunk I I play acoustic guitar and I'm drumming with my right hand basically so I and I
01:05:41
have a keyboard I'm very rudimentary but I do love it so I have a good uh a a fun
01:05:48
uh triplet workout to do that it helps you bass drum speed and also helps you
01:05:54
to kind of go around the kit and get more comfortable with that I kept going to seem like you're great but you could
01:05:59
probably use just a good Blues bass player just to kind of just some someone to play with you you
01:06:05
know now listen I'm good for it father of two that's about as good as I am
01:06:13
playing the drums in the garage is pretty hip for a kid but you like Zeppelin you like ACD I saw AC at your
01:06:20
precious Foxborough great Ramstein ramstein's very entertaining the German heavy metal band
01:06:28
I don't I haven't seen them I like uh oh Dana yeah I like I always forget his
01:06:34
name but the drummer um James Gadson is that his name who's the guy the drummer for Bill Withers is
01:06:40
another guy uh that I love wow
01:06:46
yeah I feel like I have like uh like it goes like and then you know I've been going to the
01:06:53
gym and if this one guy is is at the front desk because whoever's at the front desk controls the music he's been
01:07:00
playing a lot of like cardi B and Hip-Hop and stuff and like the the yeah
01:07:05
the drums the drum tracks yeah are so much fun to like I was I just listen to
01:07:10
him like I wish I had that on a loop and I could just play Phil's over it and just sort of do those on like a loop or
01:07:16
something like that um I basically do comedy so I can afford
01:07:22
to buy drums yeah wow that's a huge statement it's so fun to have something
01:07:27
to like look forward to and think and then you get money and you when you meet bands You Love maybe to talk to their drummer or maybe
01:07:34
just talk to the band and then you also they might know you now which isn't you know you know as a killer [ __ ]
01:07:39
[ __ ] drummer and I'm gonna speak on his name because I'm old there's a band uh uh uh Russian circles that's an absolute
01:07:49
Beast of a drummer and he uh this is some I I somebody sent me a clip of him and it
01:07:55
was what I loved was his uh his use of Dynamics which I feel like in all facets
01:08:02
of life with how loud you have to be to get attention now yeah um I just feel like Dynamics is kind is
01:08:09
like a lost art and it was another thing where he had this little kit and the amount of Music he was getting out of
01:08:15
this thing was insane um John Theodore is another guy that I
01:08:21
love all the way back with Mars Volta right through yeah um all the stuff that he's doing well
01:08:27
now the day I tell people it's kind of the kick drum the snare and the hi-hat I mean there's a lot more to it but if you can master that and all the machinations
01:08:34
of that cozy pal was a big one from the 70s and he was Mr hi-hat you know doing
01:08:40
all this hi-hats work I gotta I Gotta Give like where the [ __ ] is my phone this these these kids that I listen to
01:08:47
on on uh on the Instagram there I don't have my damn phone where the hell is it
01:08:52
oh well oh I'm on my phone old dad old dad right here too many
01:09:00
inputs yeah yeah there's these guys that I listen to um so Ringo or or Charlie Watts that
01:09:08
would that would be a question for me and Bobby slate would hash that one out oh for me that's not it's not a question
01:09:14
I I go Ringo okay okay bottom
01:09:20
um uh two different animals two different worlds the best in one world and the best in the other world yeah
01:09:26
that's like zebra or mongoose Mongoose I think Ringo because we had Paula in our
01:09:33
podcast and you know we talked about just just car stereos and remastering
01:09:38
some of the beetle stuff so you really heard the bass and you heard Ringo's Kick Drum and you heard how they
01:09:44
syncopated together and it's really fun and that was not around in the 60s on a transistor radio and the way they had to
01:09:49
mix them in mono they couldn't have that heavy heavy bottom in there so he became I think Bonham is one of the more one of
01:09:56
the more uh misunderstood drummers out there how is he misunderstood because he's kind of number one with the most
01:10:02
people you know because when people are because his sound was so big yeah your
01:10:09
eyes lie to you when you watch them when you watch him play it's so big you're
01:10:15
brain tells you he's doing this and yeah yeah he's all like wrists and fingers he
01:10:23
just knew how to hit a drum and get out of the way and then on top of that had this gift
01:10:28
for Dynamics and sound and all of that stuff but like oh yeah well that was like when I was when I was growing up
01:10:34
like like the the all the drummers are saying like yeah dude bottom use his
01:10:40
stick was like tree trunks they were like two bees you know it's just that's what just like base like I don't know
01:10:46
like those giant ones right they thought it was just strength yeah yeah and then you watched it and now I'm looking at it
01:10:54
going I think he plays with like a 5A which is like a number two pencil a light little stick well the value of his
01:11:01
drum who set up those drums because his Kick Drum and snare that relationship is like nothing I've ever heard anyone get
01:11:07
and it's so potent and you're right I think there's a lot of muscularity just built into that that you don't have is
01:11:13
that uh local tree guy he does a whole thing on how he used to tune up his drumsy but Bonham had a big
01:11:20
uh part in that like he wasn't just one of those hey tune up my drums and I'll sit down and play him yeah like he had
01:11:25
he had that 26 inch kit kick and he all he would have he had nothing in it and
01:11:31
there was just like a piece of felt either on the batter side or or the or the uh what the resonant side yeah um
01:11:39
and and he just knew how to hit it and push all that air but um that was another thing too was
01:11:44
everybody thought you had to get all these big drums to sound big but like they didn't know how to mic drums when
01:11:49
he came up and the amps just kept getting bigger and bigger so the drums got bigger so you could be heard
01:11:56
um and then you know by the end of it you like like I I kind of you know
01:12:02
what's funny is I actually bought the green Sparkle John Bonham drum kit at one point I actually owned one of
01:12:08
those with the big 26 inch kit and it was really difficult for me to play like
01:12:14
going from the rack to the floor tom it was like like skipping a Subway stuff yeah and then that finally dawned on me
01:12:21
I was just like this kit worked for him I'm not him so I sold the whole thing
01:12:27
and uh that's when I got the Gretch broadcaster I got a little 22 inch kit and uh I I like them low I like low
01:12:36
drums close to each other and yeah tilted in a way that it's all right there rather than reaching all the time
01:12:42
that's a whole other skill set when you're out there but Bill when you see guys like a lot of guys put their hair
01:12:48
into it so you don't know how hard they're hitting like roll or Taylor Hawkins it was like Whip and it looks so
01:12:54
hard but you don't know is it more a head movement or is it more really Dave Grohl I'll tell you underrated
01:13:02
it is is his work with uh Killing Joke and there's a song called the death and
01:13:08
Resurrection show where he plays and he's playing 16ths on the hi-hat which is it's two hands but
01:13:16
like I had a body of my you know better ears than mine he goes no dude that's one hand I'm like what the [ __ ] and it
01:13:22
is just the perfect sickest beat and I'm killing myself that I I
01:13:28
never when he was playing with uh he took a break from Foo Fighters and he went on tour with Queens of the Stone
01:13:34
Age there's a great um they just of course they never run the [ __ ] drummer when he's playing
01:13:39
even when he's playing a goddamn solo they're still [ __ ] going out to the crowd so they had they have a song
01:13:45
called the song for the deaf and um girl plays like this just perfect
01:13:51
perfect Solo in the beginning of it and it's just that you know there's space there's
01:13:57
power it's just like if you watch that solo and you don't want to learn how to play drum system you're not alive so
01:14:03
um there's this great clip of him playing that and um I got to see him play when they were in um I saw him at
01:14:10
The Wiltern when they were in uh Them Crooked vultures which was John Paul Jones from Led Zeppelin Dave Grohl and
01:14:17
Josh Homme from Queens of the Stone Age and then they had this Hired Gun to sort of through the Malcolm rhythm guitar
01:14:22
when they went out on tour and oh my God that that was one of the I remember after the first song
01:14:28
my wife looked over at me and she's like she was like that guy's really good on drugs and I'm like yeah yeah guys I
01:14:35
think that guy might have yeah he's just the stuff he did with Nirvana just beginning there was so
01:14:41
perfect you know he's mean and I also thought when when I I was a fan of his but when I really became a fan was when
01:14:48
they did unplugged and he had to bring that all down but still drive the song and he did it so effortlessly when I
01:14:55
watched it I was just like oh wow this guy is uh so I got to be honest with you as much as I like the Foo Fighters I
01:15:01
actually don't like them because one of my if we took one of my favorite drummers yeah I mean I love the Foo
01:15:08
Fighters and I have like you know [ __ ] 10 of their albums but like there's a part of me like going like [ __ ] I wish this band was a little less
01:15:15
successful so I could watch them play drums a little bit more well let's uh let's let bill go he's
01:15:22
been a [ __ ] stud so much fun so much fun really fast right but look at that who would have thought huh we went from
01:15:27
Comedy to like being old dad to Guitar Center uh I'll talk about music anytime
01:15:34
we have a lot of yeah I love it all right well let's do the obligatory we're all gonna get dinner let's let's do
01:15:40
it'll be just me and Bill but I will tell Dana after that we win and let's do the awkward sign off where it's a little
01:15:46
kind of oh we all lean in and look it says leave and you see the other person still on it's all awkward or I hear
01:15:52
these you two guys start the talk and I'm like did I just hang up on you yeah yeah let's do that well I miss you Bill
01:15:59
and uh I like you more than Dana does anyway I gotta go okay I'll talk to you all right I felt that connected boy with
01:16:05
Dana I'm sorry Dave it's over between you and me bye hey what's up flies what's up please
01:16:11
what's up people that listen we want to hear from you and your dumb questions questions ask us anything anything you
01:16:17
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01:16:24
okay so we have a question from Tina Palmer thank you for the question Tina let's read it I absolutely love your
01:16:32
podcast it's the only one I listen to a regular basis thank you it's so fun and always makes me smile I like when they
01:16:39
put more over stuff more comments at the beginning well I wanna it's a good way to get a pick though I have to say that
01:16:44
we don't see these ahead of time this is our producer Greg Holtzman who'd pick some but it does seem a
01:16:51
little self-congratulary hey David I just found a letter from one of our fans asking a question I absolutely love your
01:16:57
podcast it's the I don't know why I like this one I only listen to it on I I'm the it's the only one I listen to on a
01:17:04
regular basis it's so fun and always makes me smile okay you know we need a compliments hotline
01:17:10
yeah because I I'm down a lot I think I got all right so here's the question for you SNL has had so many amazing
01:17:17
commercial parodies over the years which ones were your favorites my all-time favorite Schmitz gay Adam and Chris were
01:17:25
hilarious I remember that one I remember that was great uh that's there do it today there first of all a quick story
01:17:32
Schmidt's gay I think I was in for about a couple days and then they switched I was looking through some commercial pair
01:17:38
this morning you were in a lot of them I did um I think smigiel wrote Schmidt's gay and I think he switched it for me
01:17:45
and Farley to Adam and Farley and I was like oh because it was I knew it was so
01:17:50
funny and they put that Van Halen music in that was such a funny commercial there's so many good ones
01:17:56
uh colon blow colon blow Phil Hartman I think Al Franken wrote that was just
01:18:03
something that stood out really people talked about that for a while uh um
01:18:09
the bad idea jeans was one that I still hear about I didn't write you were in
01:18:15
that one yeah right now yeah that was funny I saw it right um mom jeans no jeans are always funny
01:18:20
mom jeans is a Tina Fey Amy Rachel just mom jeans sort of
01:18:27
high-waisted and puffy kind of like giving off the vibe of a business is closed here yeah we you know there's
01:18:34
three legged jeans like in a like like three at last wait by the way the songs they come up with are so funny
01:18:40
everything about those what about the car that looks crappy so you could a luxury car
01:18:47
you could drive into a bad neighborhood because I think the outside looks shitty remember that one
01:18:55
and uh it's so beautiful and God I can't think of there's so many there's Lovitz
01:19:02
did one with Phil and others where it was a trapdoor in Nealon just a business guy who had a malfunctioning trapdoor so
01:19:09
sometimes you'd go in and you had to climb out or it would launch you you know well too because I was you know
01:19:14
early on you write a lot of commercial parties because it's a good way to get on the show it's sort of a back door uh
01:19:19
the two I wrote I liked were there was Salon the Vidal Sassoon shampoo uh did that get made that got made that
01:19:27
was on um what was the premise Salon finish Salon Sean it was the guy in the commercial saying Salon if you say it
01:19:33
right it makes your hair better um Salon okay um and then there was uh
01:19:39
oh hibernal yeah it was like a it was like a NyQuil commercial with Farley where he if you want to sleep do
01:19:46
all of Cold and Flu seasoning for four months and Farley wakes up who won the Super Bowl but he's got a beard now and
01:19:53
nails and he was Maddie because I was on the set he's like do I have to put all these [ __ ] Nails I'm like oh relaxed
01:19:59
you're gonna be here eight hours anyway uh so they put a wig on him Julius Sweeney was in it um and then
01:20:06
oh Chia head I wrote that was one of the first things oh yeah that was of that I remember that one and you know that was
01:20:12
one of the ones that turned into a real product about 10 years later they made Jihad and I was like exact same box everything
01:20:18
but it was like you put President Obama and you put the seeds on and then and then she had yeah oh so they took that
01:20:24
idea I mean I don't know I guess uh but yeah I think those they used to do specials you know they'd have a
01:20:30
commercial parody special on Prime Time the driest one that Jim Downey wrote oh was called change bank it's so droll and
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so dry it's just them saying how they could all they do is make change for you yeah one of these days we'll put Clips
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up I mean yeah you can look them up all these ones are saying but hold on we got to get some clips in here because it's hysterical uh thank you for that
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