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we weren't looking for someone with
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horns we were looking for someone who
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looked just like anyone
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else and that's what made it so
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difficult he raed have it over South L
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he put a lot of fear in his area for a
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long time the followers felt like he
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would have a demeanor that would be very
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unassuming the level of violence at some
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of these crime
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scenes it was just
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horrific I kept having a dream she was
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sending me a message that said Mama come
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get me Mama come get
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me if he hadn't been caught he would
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have continued to kill till maybe
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somebody killed him in the process
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Murray as a child was a little ball of
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energy we always said her first words
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were I will not and you can't make me
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instead of Mama and Daddy but she was
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just a funny little curly-headed girl
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and she just never stopped running when
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she was all and the older she got the
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more she did more of the
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same she finished high school when she
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was 16 College when she was 20 and had
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her MBA by
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22 she was maybe the youngest person to
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ever receive an MBA at LSU she was
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starting her life I mean she was
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vivacious and fun and beautiful
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Murray had accepted a job in Atlanta
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with Deo and TCH uh top six accounting
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firm for their internal audit department
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and that's what she wanted to do she
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could hardly wait to move to Atlanta and
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wanted to move that summer but her job
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did not start until the fall so she
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stayed in Bon Rouge working at
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LSU the last time she was with me at
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this house she was leaving and she she
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turned to me and smiled and did her
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cheek did like that cuz she never wanted
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you to kiss her on the mouth cuz it
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would mess up her lipstick and I kissed
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her on the cheek and it was like I took
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a snapshot in my mind and I just can
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immediately see her entirely it was just
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a moment that just stayed with me
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forever in May 2002 Murray is getting
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ready for a friend's wedding when
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there's a knock at the door from a man
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she doesn't
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know Murray had been apparently sitting
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on the couch and there was a plate of
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her lunch was still sitting on the edge
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of the
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couch what we surmised was that the man
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came to the door and he talked his way
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in and then once he got in he attacked
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her she was raped and she fought back
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and she fought back really
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hard Murray's case was so
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violent in the end he stabbed her 81
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times I had asked to
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see the autopsy pictures and the crime
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scene pictures and I knew that was going
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to be horrible but I felt compelled I
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felt like I had to know what had
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happened to her they had asked us what
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color her hair was was and I thought it
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was such an odd question and then I
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could see that it was because there had
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been so much blood that that was all you
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could
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see another thing I guess that always
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Disturbed me was in the bathroom where
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she must have tried to escape
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him were blood drops they could tell
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dropped straight down in front of the
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mirror where they presumed he held her
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to show her what he had done to
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her and then he
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uh apparently tried to rape her while
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she
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died you can't help but think when did
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she know that no help was
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coming and that she would
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die and this that this was the end of
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everything she'd hoped
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Gina green was 41 years old she lived on
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Stanford in a nice little house she was
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a nurse had a lot of friends was very
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social she just didn't show up to work
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one day
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and she was found strangled in her bed
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and there was a lot of fear around that
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murder because it was so close to campus
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apparently Gina green felt that she was
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being watched before she was murdered
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and had relayed that to her friends and
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I think some family
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members so that's that's what started it
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all Cur told me they thought it was
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someone who had done some work around
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her
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home it was suspected that he was her
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murderer I was very concerned because
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she was by herself a lot going to and
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from places I had purchased a firearm on
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her behalf but she didn't not have it
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before she was murdered
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similar patterns exist but we're looking
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at it from years later from all the
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pieces being put into place if you have
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a person that's able to gain the
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confidence of their victim that throws
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off an officer that throws off an
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investigation to look for one type of
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person versus the other we knew there
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was no one who even came close to having
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any animus against her but we thought
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she'd been attacked by a stranger I
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didn't think about Gina green at that
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time there had in fact been another
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murder nearby between Gina's and
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Murray's geryn Doo was killed in Addis
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10 miles outside Baton
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Rouge the second murder Mur is as brutal
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as the first murder you have a person
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that can sit back and look at I was able
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to do the first I did the second I
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haven't been captured I haven't been
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caught so therefore why not go further
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with the third Jin's murder in Addis is
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investigated by a separate police force
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to Gina's and Murray's neither teams are
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aware of another similar case four years
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ago in nearby Zachary
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Randy M uh was a a single mother who uh
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lived along over there in Oak shadows
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and had a child there living with
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her the neighbor found her 2-year-old
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son wandering around outside by himself
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and knew that Randy would not have let
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that happen and was concerned and when
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they called the police the police went
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in and she was gone just absolutely
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gone we go inside the house there's
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blood all over the
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house we've seen blood in the bedroom
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where there was a struggle in the
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bedroom we seen where somebody appears
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to have been drugged throughout the
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house out to the door we found one of
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her uh contacts in the ground there like
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where she'd been beaten some more in the
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blood stain Randy's body was never found
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and a killer never convicted her husband
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was the Prime Suspect there was some
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violence inside the relationship he faed
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a
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polygraph when he fell a I wasn't
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convinced uh you know my thoughts were
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why would he leave his child there as a
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as a father myself that bothered me a
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lot the police are looking at the person
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who last saw you alive so police are
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naturally going to go to a husband a
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spouse a significant other first to
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identify where were you at the time we
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believe this crime takes place there are
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enough cases in which that person is the
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person that's committed the ACT but a
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broader thinking must take place
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McDavid had another suspect in mind a
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local peeping Tomy first encountered a
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year before ry's murder Derek toddle and
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in 1997 one of our officers said you
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know I've dealt with him a lot in the
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neighborhood where he's hanging out by
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stop signs had gloves in his hand had a
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knife in his pocket he said he always
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parked his vehicle across the street at
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the the lounge and he has a you know
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kind of a a cream colored uh Chevrolet
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pickup with some type of uh painting on
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the
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backo there was kind of this just you
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know minimization of peeping and what
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that meant this is a non- cont is what I
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used to hear all the time this is a non-
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contct you know thing to worry about
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without realizing that you know again in
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some respects it's kind of a Gateway and
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that's you know a significant number of
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people who start out peeping will will
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escalate or graduate to more serious
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offenses
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and I just told him I said I know what
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you're doing we don't get you sooner or
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later and we put some much his pressure
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on him here we know with surveillance
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and looking at him and he finally just
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drifted off has Derek toddle drifted
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away from being a suspected peeping Tom
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and zacher to commit murders around
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nearby Baton Rouge and will police be
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able to connect him to the deaths of
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Gina green geryn doo and Murray Pace
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before another woman is killed
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Gina green geryn doo and Murray Pace
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have been brutally killed in their own
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homes the police forces investigating
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the crimes are yet to establish a link
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or identify a
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suspect unknown to them four years prior
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in nearby Zachary a a young woman named
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Randy mewer had
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vanished police suspected a local
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peeping Tom had been
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involved Derek toddle his mom was very
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young when she had him she was
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17 his dad seemed to have some very
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difficult psychological problems as well
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as being violent and he was incarcerated
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after attempting to murder his
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ex-wife Derek's IQ was calculated to be
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below
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75 there was almost equal parts nature
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and nurture you know we have this person
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who is a relatively low functioning
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person from an IQ standpoint you know he
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goes to to school he's calling his
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teacher Mama He's you know
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developmentally delayed he gets teased
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about this and then I think you have
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this abuse on top of that and I think
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that this rage he felt is something that
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has been festering him for a long period
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of time Derek also grew up in a racially
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divided 1970s Louisiana
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the United States has a history in which
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race is a major part that then creates
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in our mind a framework of how we
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respond or interact with that person
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there was this town it seemed like that
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even though some progress had been made
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there was a lot of segregation and if I
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am raised in a place in which that line
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is drawn that these people are over here
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those people are over there that becomes
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my own function of
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life it becomes pretty clearly known
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that he has started abusing animals at a
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relatively early
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age and we know that that is a huge red
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flag not everybody who becomes a serial
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killer hurts animals but there certainly
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is a larger representation among
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individuals who hurt animals that go on
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to hurt
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people at age 11 Derek was is also
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caught peeping into his neighbor's
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Windows it was taken very lightly oh
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he'll outgrow it oh this is silly you
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know he he likes to sneak around it's a
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joke he likes to sneak around and see
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other people and we now know that
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voyerism can be a Gateway you know to
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some other pretty serious sexual
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behaviors because one of the things it
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suggests is the development of a
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paraphilia or a kind of a deviant sexual
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interest and going around and peeping in
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people's windows that is non-consenting
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behavior
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that end of itself as a sexual offence
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and I think at the time we thought of
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that back then as again
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harmless he was arrested for peeping for
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I mean dozens and dozens of times with
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no consequences
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whatsoever 11 years after Derek toddle
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was first arrested for peeping police
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are still trying to understand who
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killed Gina green JN doot and Murray
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Pace apparently Gina green felt that she
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was being watched and there were reports
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with Murray that there was somebody that
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was watching outside the apartment as
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well we wondered if he had noticed
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Murray when he killed Gina green cuz
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they lived on the same street and not
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very far from each other I think he did
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surveillance on them where he watched
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them and figured out their routines and
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saw what they were doing
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6 weeks after the murder of Murray Pace
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the police have a breakthrough DNA
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testing confirms that Gina's murderer is
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the same as Murray's but Derek toddle
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isn't a suspect he mystified law
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enforcement and there was a prevailing
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Theory at the time that serial killers
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were white and and there are reasons to
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follow this Frame of Mind the victims
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are white and usually we find crime
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stays in one 's race you put those
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together serial murders traditionally
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are white persons that you have the
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wrong person being searched for in this
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case with no leads in their search for
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the killer the local police forces ask
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the FBI for
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help one of the resources that the state
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and local law enforcement were really
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interested in was our profiling unit
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from quanico uh they wanted them to
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weigh in and be able to tell them what
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type of unknown offender we were looking
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for and so we brought in the uh
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profilers and they basically created a
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profile of an unknown offender they did
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that by reviewing uh the crime scenes
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extensively talking to the detectives
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they were looking for evidence of the
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offender's Behavior prior to the
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incident during the actual crime and
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also any kind of post offense Behavior
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they may have engaged in to get away
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with the crime and things like that
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the FBI Behavioral Unit releases a
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criminal profile of Murray and Gina's
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murderer the profilers felt like the
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attacks were not what we would classify
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as a blitz attack which are surprise
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attacks the profilers felt like there
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would have to be some type of
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interaction that occurred before these
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attacks actually occurred he would have
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a demeanor that would be very unassuming
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and that would not trigger people to
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think that he was suspicious in any way
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shape or form until it was too
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late profilers also surmised that the
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offender would be someone who didn't
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take rejection well any hint of
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resistance when he goes in and he
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completely I think
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escalates and you know the level of
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violence as some of these crime scenes
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was just horrific clearly indicating
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this wasn't just about sex it was about
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power rage domination and control there
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was so much violence associated with his
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crimes that I think that rage completely
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took over him when he was no
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situations he thought he was going to
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easily rape Murray and then when she
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fought back he couldn't take the
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rejection or that's our Theory and um
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then he just lost it and stabbed her 81
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times the profilers felt like this
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unknown offender was following the
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investigation in the media and any
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significant releases in the media they
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felt like would cause him a great degree
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of distress and or anger you can imagine
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for several months he's thinking hm I'm
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not hearing about that they're looking
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for someone with my character istics wow
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this could give someone a pass to say I
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can do more criminal
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activities he would have been aware that
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people were hearing about a repeat
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offender in the community but I also
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feel like there was this compulsive
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nature in him that was very very strong
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and that overrode
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any real sense of danger now it's very
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interesting even though these warning
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signs by the police and Public Safety
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are saying that this person is out there
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that he stays relatively in the same
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area this again is a factor of maybe
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there was something very much rooted in
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his place where he grew up his
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environment where he grew up and wanting
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to do something about this rage or these
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feelings that he has in his mind has him
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stay in this area to continue to commit
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these crimes
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the day after the DNA breakthrough the
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killer appears to strike again this time
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the victim
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survives Diane Alexander was a nurse
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that lived in
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brobridge and she was in the house and
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somebody knocked at the door and he
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asked if she knew someone and he gave
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her a name she said no I don't know him
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he said well ask your husband and she
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said well I you know I'm not married and
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that's when he flipped that's when he
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pushed his way in the door he took a
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phone cord and cut part of it and was
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about to strangle her with the phone
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cord when he heard her son driving up
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the gravel road and when that happened
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he took
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off the profilers felt like this unknown
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offender had a great deal of impulsivity
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which is essentially not caring about
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the outcomes of their action the the
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need is so great they don't care about
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what happens afterwards and based upon
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that they felt like his impulsivity
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would have made him come into contact
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with law enforcement at some point prior
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including various things with breaking
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and entering and also potentially
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peeping and things like
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that Diane Alexander worked with the
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police to generate a sketch of the
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suspect this time the suspect Bears a
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resemblance to Derek toddle but toddle
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is unknown to local
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police 3 Days Later a fifth woman is
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murdered
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mured pam
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kinamore pam was 44 years old again like
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all of these women beautiful successful
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Independent Women she lived out on um
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Brierwood in Baton Rouge that night she
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was Home Alone the bath water was run
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and she you know she had everything laid
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out for a bath and so I don't know if
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she had been in it or was about to
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when he came in and she she was just
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gone the only thing that was left behind
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was some blood spots particularly on a
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living room
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rug her body was later found dumped in
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Marshland under an Interstate 35 mil
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from Baton
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Rouge she had been left for 3 Days in
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the hot Louisiana son so she had
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decomposed somewhat but there was still
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DNA on her
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body he had raped her and the DNA was
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there when the DNA that was on the first
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two victims matched the DNA that was on
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Pam it just changed
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everything we had a serial
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killer it opened the door to a world and
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it it's a hotter darker sharper edged
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place than you ever imagined the world
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to be
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the world is never ever the
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same Pam kenmore's decomposing body has
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been found police quickly have a
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breakthrough a truck driver claims he'd
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seen a naked woman in the passenger seat
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of a white pickup truck on the day Pam
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kinamore was abducted he believes the
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pickup was being driven by a white
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male and so that just stuck that just
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that became the the number one suspect
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you know that was the description that
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everyone would looked for for a very
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long
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time I think they had in their mind who
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this person is and unfortunately I think
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that clouded their judgment and caused
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them to ignore you know some of the
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clues that were there
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I remember hearing on the news that
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there was one man who wrote I am not the
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serial killer on the side of his white
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truck that was the clue to Nowhere
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absolutely the clue to nowhere but
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confusion everybody was talking about it
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all the time and people were taking
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self-defense classes they were you know
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they were learning how to shoot guns um
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making sure they had mace everybody was
00:24:23
taking Extraordinary Measures and for
00:24:26
good reason with Pam kenmore's murder
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the killer had upped the ante that's
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when he started actually removing people
00:24:34
removing the women um before killing
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them he's picking different women in
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different jurisdictions he's killing
00:24:43
them in different ways so how do you
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search for somebody like that how do you
00:24:48
know when the next where he's going to
00:24:50
hit next and how he's going to hit next
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the eyewitness report means police are
00:24:55
focusing their search on a white suspect
00:24:58
another factor is how the victims seemed
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willing to open the door to their killer
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I think it's a demeanor I think it a
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presentation that allows to put people
00:25:07
at Comfort levels that allow them to
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allow guards to go down a step or two
00:25:13
and move forward but I think opportunity
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applied with his charm coming together
00:25:19
his looks coming together his
00:25:22
youthfulness at the time coming together
00:25:24
that make for these crimes to take place
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that's what made it so difficult we were
00:25:30
not looking for someone that had some
00:25:32
kind of massive deformity or that looked
00:25:34
like a demon or a vampire we're looking
00:25:37
for someone who's part of society uh the
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profile mentions that uh there's a good
00:25:42
chance that uh he would live with uh
00:25:44
other people potentially a Paramore in
00:25:47
that respect his life could be more or
00:25:49
less normal from the
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outside but on the inside Derek Todd
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ley's life is anything but normal
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his wife mistress and sister have all
00:26:01
filed charges of domestic violence and
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Battery against
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him so far every victim of the Baton
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Rouge serial killer has been
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white until November 21st
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2002 Trisha da colom had recently lost
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her mother and was grief
00:26:27
stricken she visited her mother's grave
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every
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day and she was out there alone a hunter
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found her just discarded in in the brush
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she had been beaten badly um about her
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face and um again she was she was raped
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as
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well for David McDavid DA's murder gives
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him another reason to suspect Derek
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toddle he remembers a rainy night in
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1993 when two kids were attacked in a
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graveyard in Zachary there was a thing
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around Zachary go in the graveyard make
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out and stuff and they were doing that
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in the graveyard and Suspect come across
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from the area of the sub Vision into the
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graveyard had a big old can blade on him
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and saw them in the in the car and began
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hacking them up with the cane blade
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luckily one of our police officers saw a
00:27:24
dome light on the car and drove in there
00:27:27
and he ran off to the north nor both
00:27:29
victims survived and worked with police
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to generate a sketch of the as
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salant un be known us the statue of
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limitations I ran out on that case when
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we went to get the warrant sign I was
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denied on that case but the police
00:28:04
investigating the murders of Gina gern
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Murray Pam and Trisha are not aware of
00:28:12
this historic case in Zachary I think he
00:28:15
was just elusive nobody knew really what
00:28:17
was going on you know that's something I
00:28:19
learned throughout the case was you know
00:28:21
try to have open mind and work together
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cuz you never know who holds that piece
00:28:25
of pie I think the problem was we we
00:28:27
would wouldn't really sharing
00:28:29
information like we
00:28:31
should with five murdered women a task
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force of local state and federal
00:28:36
agencies continue their desperate
00:28:39
search over 20,000 tips are pouring in
00:28:43
over a thousand men are swabbed everyone
00:28:46
in Louisiana is on the lookout for an
00:28:48
elusive white killer in a white truck
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you had people calling in tips they were
00:28:53
asked to calling tips either an abusive
00:28:55
boyfriend who drove a white truck or who
00:28:58
might have been of some kind of violence
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or domestic violence cases involving
00:29:02
females in that and it was a wide net
00:29:06
this is where police work is essential
00:29:08
the human element has to be involved in
00:29:11
deciding how many of these leads are you
00:29:14
going to look into with that attention
00:29:16
you gain the ability to solve this crime
00:29:19
but you also gain the difficulty of
00:29:22
separating the good from the bad related
00:29:25
to the case oh it went on forever every
00:29:28
Friday we thought we had our guy was
00:29:30
like okay this guy drives a y pickup
00:29:32
truck he's got a bad history of domestic
00:29:36
violence or this or that um his behavior
00:29:38
is very strange and the people around
00:29:40
him think he's the serial killer and
00:29:43
then there would be you know somebody
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else would be killed and it was just it
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was
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horrendous sometime in probably the uh
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late winter early spring of uh 2003 uh
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we had a meeting with members from the
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Acadiana crime lab and they told us
00:30:07
about a company in Florida that told
00:30:10
them they could take a DNA sample and
00:30:13
determine essentially the racial or
00:30:16
geographic region where they came from
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that would help with determining
00:30:20
race it's Cutting Edge science but is
00:30:23
yet to be fully vetted we ended up
00:30:25
making a decision we obtained uh samples
00:30:28
from various members of the task force
00:30:30
various investigators and we sent those
00:30:32
uh blind samples unmarked samples down
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to the company and after a short time
00:30:37
they came back and uh they nailed every
00:30:41
single person we had sent them with
00:30:43
regards to their potential racial
00:30:44
characteristics the lab was then sent
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the DNA of the unknown
00:30:48
killer they identified him as African
00:30:52
American I was surprised but only for a
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short time it basically gave an
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explanation to me as to why all the
00:31:00
people and all the leads we've been
00:31:01
following up on were really not coming
00:31:03
to anything uh because most of those
00:31:05
were for uh Caucasian uh males he
00:31:09
probably does take a moment of pause to
00:31:11
say okay something is happening with
00:31:14
this case that's moving this case closer
00:31:16
to me but I still have this urge inside
00:31:20
of me to do these criminal activities
00:31:23
and so he has to decide and he keeps
00:31:25
going with this here so that's where we
00:31:27
have to believe believe that the urge is
00:31:29
stronger than
00:31:38
rationale after a year and a half long
00:31:41
Killing Spree the FBI are closing in on
00:31:43
their Prime Suspect cuttingedge DNA
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testing has confirmed the suspect as
00:31:50
African-American and David McDavid is
00:31:52
raising his suspicions about Derek
00:31:54
toddle the suspected graveyard attacker
00:31:57
and peeping Tom who vanished from nearby
00:32:00
Zachary a few years before the
00:32:03
murders we went back and looked at some
00:32:05
of the cases that he was involved in if
00:32:07
you go back and look there was a
00:32:09
burglary across the street in 1992 the
00:32:11
homeowner came home and caught him in
00:32:13
the house and asked him what he was
00:32:14
doing there he claimed he was looking
00:32:15
for somebody and in 1993 case of the two
00:32:19
kids in the graveyard come up down his
00:32:21
7even the Peeping time in the
00:32:23
neighborhood and in 1998 we had the
00:32:26
murder of Randy mewer so that kind of
00:32:29
told us then that you know Derek tyy was
00:32:31
our guy we were looking at him
00:32:33
disturbing details soon come to light
00:32:35
about his life one of the things we
00:32:37
start seeing among people who become
00:32:40
serial killers later is in
00:32:43
adolescence what we call this adolescent
00:32:45
hypersexuality it means there becomes
00:32:48
this compulsive nature to their
00:32:51
sexuality it becomes a coping mechanism
00:32:54
for them it becomes a drive for them so
00:32:56
it's almost like it it takes on a life
00:32:58
of its own and that person feels a need
00:33:01
to go out and Peep or do whatever things
00:33:05
particularly when they're under stress
00:33:07
or they have some kind of problem in
00:33:09
their environment and we do know that
00:33:11
that Derek toddle oftentimes there was a
00:33:14
a pretty short period of time between
00:33:17
him getting fired for jobs for example
00:33:19
or having arguments and there being
00:33:21
these these murders
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with the net closing another woman is
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murdered car Yoder was a an LSU student
00:34:00
she was actually getting her PhD I think
00:34:03
in Marine Biology she lived in a little
00:34:07
house close to
00:34:10
campus I believe she just unloaded
00:34:12
groceries and brought her groceries in
00:34:14
and I don't know if he followed her in
00:34:16
or somehow got in her house and took
00:34:19
her again she just
00:34:22
disappeared they found her body like 10
00:34:25
days later again by whiskey
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Bay another month passes then on May 5th
00:34:35
police obtain a court order to swab
00:34:38
Derek toddle for DNA I believe uh Derek
00:34:41
Todd Le's biggest mistake was leaving
00:34:44
his DNA at the uh crime scenes uh maybe
00:34:48
uh he didn't know much about it he
00:34:49
wasn't sophisticated enough to know
00:34:51
about
00:34:52
it well what happened was is we got our
00:34:55
DNA we know we got a got signed by judge
00:34:58
he asked me and another officer to do
00:34:59
surveillance on his house and DK T was
00:35:01
back and forth he was running around
00:35:02
town we finally called him back at the
00:35:05
house and they brought him inside look
00:35:07
we got the subpoena showed it to him got
00:35:09
us swabbed and uh you know we submitted
00:35:12
it to the crime
00:35:15
lab with the DNA sample taken McDavid
00:35:19
has to wait for days to find out if Derk
00:35:21
toddle is the
00:35:25
killer I think it was on a Sunday just
00:35:27
got through cutting grass at my house
00:35:29
and got a call from the task force look
00:35:31
we need you down here well what's going
00:35:33
on well we'll tell you when you get down
00:35:35
here I received a call I believe on a
00:35:38
Sunday afternoon uh from the uh command
00:35:41
post and I was told that the Louisiana
00:35:44
State Police crime lab had matched a
00:35:46
swab with our unknown offenders DNA
00:35:50
profile when I walked in you had all
00:35:51
these dignitaries here bunch of
00:35:53
investigators there high ranking
00:35:55
officials they said well y'all DNA they
00:35:57
just solved the C killer
00:36:00
case which was a big relief when I heard
00:36:03
that there had been a match I was elated
00:36:05
but I also understood that there was
00:36:07
more work to do and that was locating
00:36:10
him and placing him under arrest I said
00:36:12
oo I said y'all better catch him if he
00:36:14
knows that you after him which he
00:36:16
probably does I said he's about to he's
00:36:18
trolling he's about to kill again I
00:36:20
spent that uh evening dictating an
00:36:22
affidavit for a fugitive arrest warrant
00:36:25
and that was based on the fact that we
00:36:26
had problem cause that he had LED from
00:36:27
Louisiana to avoid being prosecuted for
00:36:29
these
00:36:31
crimes Jeff's fears were correct Derek
00:36:34
toddle tries to evade
00:36:38
arrest my biggest concern uh after we
00:36:41
realized that he had fled the state of
00:36:43
Louisiana is that that he may have
00:36:45
killed someone else in another state the
00:36:48
time Factor was still there because now
00:36:51
I knew he was on the Run knowing that we
00:36:55
were going to eventually find out and it
00:36:56
was simple matter of him trying to stay
00:36:58
away from us as much as he possibly
00:37:00
could they asked us to come on board
00:37:03
help try to track him down went to
00:37:06
Chicago came back and went to Atlanta
00:37:08
was setting up in an apartment over
00:37:10
there to me the heat was on him here so
00:37:12
he had to go somewhere else he was about
00:37:13
to you know start killing
00:37:19
again I had heard that you know he' been
00:37:21
arrested I don't know if I heard on the
00:37:23
news or I got a phone call I was
00:37:25
relieved we were all lady when we found
00:37:28
out that Derek toddle had been arrested
00:37:30
in Atlanta and we knew that come hell or
00:37:33
high water he was going to be coming
00:37:34
back to Louisiana to face Justice for
00:37:35
what he had
00:37:37
done I was so shocked that he looked so
00:37:41
ordinary you you'd think someone who
00:37:44
could do that kind of thing would be
00:37:46
marked in some
00:37:49
way you know would have some sort of
00:37:52
scarlet letter that would identify them
00:37:55
but no they don't
00:37:58
they don't at
00:38:03
all in custody Derek Todd Le doesn't
00:38:06
confess to his crimes or explain how he
00:38:08
chose his
00:38:10
victims police plan to try him
00:38:12
separately for each of the seven
00:38:14
murders I think that the police were
00:38:17
willing to try him for every single of
00:38:19
those seven until they got the death
00:38:21
penalty the benefit of going with one
00:38:24
case is that if something goes wrong
00:38:26
this monster is never going to be on the
00:38:28
street again because we'll indict the
00:38:29
next one and then we'll indict the next
00:38:31
one we will always have a safety
00:38:34
net toddle first faces trial for the
00:38:37
murder of geraline
00:38:40
Doo the charge in jyn Doo's case was
00:38:43
second gr murder and he was found guilty
00:38:46
as charged he receives a life
00:38:49
sentence the trial for the murder of
00:38:51
Charlotte Murray pace is
00:38:53
next the trial was long it was I think
00:38:56
five weeks weeks the physical evidence
00:38:59
was strong the DNA evidence was really
00:39:01
strong and uh the jury didn't have a
00:39:04
problem with it they came back quickly
00:39:05
with a a verdict of guilty and then we
00:39:08
did the penalty phase and they found
00:39:10
that um the appropriate penalty was the
00:39:12
death
00:39:13
penalty he never confessed he never
00:39:16
showed a bit of remorse he was just just
00:39:20
kind of like a blank slate over
00:39:22
there I remember saying well we finally
00:39:25
come to the end of it and I remember
00:39:28
thinking we just begun that had just
00:39:32
that was nowhere near the end in a way
00:39:36
we were as imprisoned as he
00:39:39
was but on January 21st
00:39:43
2016 the case meets its ultimate end
00:39:46
Derek toddle dies of heart
00:39:48
disease so the victims are just left
00:39:51
with this open
00:39:53
wound and being stuck in this perpetual
00:39:59
incomplete hell it was almost like you
00:40:02
couldn't almost as much as you couldn't
00:40:06
imagine the murders you couldn't imagine
00:40:09
that he had died you know he lives his
00:40:13
life to the
00:40:15
end and he never faces the Executioner
00:40:19
well this is what I tell everybody the
00:40:22
real true judge has got him now and he
00:40:25
got judged by that by God and that's who
00:40:28
ultimate made the the sentence for him I
00:40:30
think he's in hell to be honest with you
00:40:33
uh you know what he did and how he did
00:40:35
it was just truly violent he killed a
00:40:38
total of seven victims that we can prove
00:40:41
through
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DNA before this happened I didn't worry
00:40:55
if my back door locked I felt safe and
00:40:57
Rose I felt
00:41:01
secure and all of a sudden that safe
00:41:04
feeling is gone so I think that that was
00:41:06
taken away by Derek toddle and I you
00:41:09
know I don't know that it ever
00:41:11
returns I haven't slept in a bed in 20
00:41:16
years I kept coming home and got in the
00:41:19
bed that used to be her
00:41:21
bed
00:41:23
and I kept having a dream that she was
00:41:27
uh on the autopsy table covered with a
00:41:30
sheet and of course she couldn't move or
00:41:34
anything but somehow she was sending me
00:41:37
a message that said Mama come get me
00:41:41
Mama come get
00:41:42
me and I
00:41:45
couldn't sleep in there anymore so I
00:41:48
sleep on the sofa with the TV on so I
00:41:52
don't ever wake up in the dark without a
00:41:55
voice somewhere
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murder
00:42:01
challenges everything you ever thought
00:42:04
you believed every assumption you ever
00:42:07
had it it is an almost unsurvivable loss
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