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hello and welcome to Runners only with
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dom Harvey on this episode Mickey
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willarden you know like we are
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Hoodwinked when it comes to nutrition
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there are so many things that people
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believe as truisms which are just not
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true what do you mean can you give us
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like a like an easy example yeah like
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red meat
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right right like we should be eating
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five plus Breads and cereals a day we
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should all be having trim milk set
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treaded fat causes heart disease you may
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already be a fan of Mickey or you may be
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hearing her name for the first time but
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let me give her a brief introduction
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Mickey is a badass Runner she's run a 2
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hour 55 Marathon she is also one of the
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most respected nutritionists in the
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country with a PhD in food and nutrition
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as a souvenir of her nine years of study
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nine years Mickey literally spent about
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the same time at Uni as what I spent in
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school she's now turned herself into a
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brand and has a huge online community
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and her own podcast Wikipedia the
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objective of this episode was to
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introduce you guys to Mickey and her
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work or allow followers of Mickey to
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learn more about the person behind the
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food facts in the first half we'll get
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to know Mickey then we get into a bit of
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a q a about soft drinks supplements and
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all things food also in this episode
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Mickey and I take some of your questions
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from Instagram and we share our love of
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shared her discount code so if you're
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Keen to use it after listening to it go
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to currans.com NZ and use the discount
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code Mickey in my kki and you'll save 25
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on your first order all right let's get
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into it
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hey this is
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slow and steady anywhere you coming just
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wanna connect for everyone who loves
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running this is
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fast paced slow and steady anyway you
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coming coming just wanna connect for
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everyone who loves running hey Runners
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only with dom Harvey Runners only with
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dom Harvey and the Queen the nutrition
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Queen Mickey Willard g'day John thanks
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so much for having me it's great this
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correct me if I'm wrong but this is the
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first time we've met IRL
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you've been on my podcast but that was
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obviously over the interwebs so yeah
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this is first time in the Dom Harvey
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Studio yeah so you mentioned I've been
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on your podcast um for anyone that's not
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familiar with that by the way it's
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called Wikipedia it's a great name I'm
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just a big fan of like wordplay and
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almost like a dad joke in a way you've
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been and the podcast came for a long
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time right when did you how long have
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you been doing Wikipedia well Wikipedia
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is just on two years wow so uh during
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the first sort of second part of 2020
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with the lockdown and stuff funny how we
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now will always refer back to this time
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as
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that's a time stamp for everyone I think
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it is a so usually when I listen to your
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podcast it's like useful nutritional
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tips for people people froth over that
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but there's probably a lot of Mickey
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Willard and fans that don't actually
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know like a lot about the the backstory
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so I thought I thought we could get into
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that yeah and then um in the second half
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of the the later part of this podcast
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um I've got some questions and we can
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talk nutrition and stuff like that
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awesome sounds great so who are you
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where are you from you're from Dunedin
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right yep from Dunedin a born and bred I
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uh born 4th of July 1977 which is only
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worth mentioning because I'm a twin and
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it's also foursquare's birthday and my
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mum got like she won a competition and
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got 720 cans of baby food and nappies
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and a dryer which was amazing
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um so anyway yeah so why 720 that's a
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random number I isn't it like no no
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three six five plus three six five is
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enough for yeah a Year's Worth right
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for two of us so your twin brother or
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sister twin sister identical nah very
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different right yeah very different uh
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so I grew up in ravensborn and it was a
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bit of it was the place love ravey but
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it was sort of one of those
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um that's where all the young parents
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went because it was cheap to live etc
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etc grew up in Dunedin I studied and I
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went to Logan Park studied at otago
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University uh so I studied a BSC in
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science in human nutrition and also phys
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Ed as well when you're studying in
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Dunedin were you living at home or did
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you get the uh the full Dunedin student
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experience
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half and half so I moved out when I was
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18 but lived with my boyfriend because
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that's what you know Bogan couples do
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when they're teenagers
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what's what is I I don't know the um the
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suburbs of um Dunedin that well why were
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you a bargain I it literally because it
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was a bit of a Bogan suburb you know and
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my brother was a Bogan my sister was a
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Bogan it was sort of like rare it was
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genetic it runs in my bloodline uh so uh
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it's only they had a chance yeah exactly
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okay
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um so um so but it was only I started so
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I moved out when I was 18 but I got a um
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I got into phys Ed in my third year of
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uni and I think that's when I really
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started having that sort of uh more
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classic University experience I didn't
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burn couches though because I am a bit
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of a geek so I was sort of like you're
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the worst Bogan ever I know like a fake
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Burger I know it was a poker funny story
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which I thought was funny in that year
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we did go to a Bogan party where you had
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to dress up as a Bogan
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well we dressed up as bogans because by
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that time I had sort of you know yeah
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exactly
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um went to this party we were one of
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about the couple of us and we were one
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of about six people who we appeared to
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be dressed up as bogans we were like oh
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it's a bit stink next day saw those
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other people still wearing Bogan outfits
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they were clearly just bogans
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Henry were the only ones they were
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dressed up quite funny but anyway so
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yeah I did have that sort of
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um experience as a student but as a geek
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I never then went on and went to do an
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OE or or didn't go to London like
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everyone seemed to
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um I stayed on and did my masters in
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nutrition but then was super unhappy and
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thought I sort of stuck it out for 18
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months and then went ah no I think I'm
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gonna have to quit this
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um interesting though when I chatted to
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my advisor at the time amazing man
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Professor Jim Mann in fact and uh and he
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said making no one ever quits PhD and
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then I leave and then I realized that 50
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of people quit their phds what was he on
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about them oh he had no idea well or he
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was using some sort of reverse
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psychology type you know but happily
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made that decision and that I think I
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might have been about 24 at the time and
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then had to find a job so I found it
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what year are we talking now was
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Nutrition a big thing you know it feels
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like it's exploded in the last decade or
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so but yeah I feel it has exploded it
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wasn't a big thing necessarily I mean
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you had your Nicky hearts
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uh it was Nikki heart in hellermann's in
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Dr Cliff Harvey
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yeah
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the market covered I know they're
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unsaturated it's totally in fact like I
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was even on Instagram yesterday and I
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come across this guy in New Zealand who
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has got like a gazillion followers never
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heard of him yet a nutritionist so
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you're absolutely right I probably
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bought them bought some parts from India
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or whatever so so now you and I are a
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similar sort of age so what what was
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your like food like growing up and I
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suppose average ordinary middle class
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Dunedin household were you like lunch
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and sandwiches on white bread and jelly
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Crystal sandwiches on a treat day oh if
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great question so it wasn't luncheon for
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us it was Belgium what's Belgium it's
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actually luncheon but for whatever
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reason we called it Belgium Belgium and
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tomato sauce sandwiches right yum you
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did have that yeah you most noticed so
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by the time lunch rolls around that that
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tomato sauce it's a soggy mess it really
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is however what I used to do we didn't
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get to treat jelly crystals but I had a
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friend who had chocolate chip sandwiches
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so her parents were from Holland and
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that she had them every day and for
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whatever reason she hated them so we
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used to swap but no my food was very
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standard kiwi it was weet-bix or
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porridge margarine because it was
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cheaper than butter we had bournvita and
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not Milo and my dad was actually
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interested in cooking and and my mum was
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terrible cook
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interesting though Dom so I sort of came
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to running as a probably a third former
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what I used to I Remember by the time I
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was 17 or 18 it was just really dead in
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me at home everyone else had moved out
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my parents had split um and my sister
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was 50 50 my young sister and what do
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you mean she was 50 50. with mum oh okay
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and were you were you solely with dead
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right was that well my mum interested so
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she her my parents split up but she
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didn't say this at the time she was just
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like oh I'm going to go look after this
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because she was worked at a rest home in
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a war Veteran's Home and she became
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close to and he became like our Granddad
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this this gentleman he was lovely and he
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wanted to move out of the war Veteran's
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Home so she said I'm going to look after
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Dusty full time so I'm leaving home
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basically no that was when I was 17. do
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you think your parents at least yeah
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good question I think I wonder how many
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parents do you know I think that they
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from probably separated in their heads
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well before they actually separated you
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know I mean they were working shift work
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dad was early mum was late was that kind
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of yeah ships on the night absolutely so
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um they still got on fine but we're
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living quite Separate Lives yeah yeah
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yeah so yeah I bring that up because it
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was a similar thing for for mine so I'm
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one of one of four I'm the second from
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oldest and uh mum and dad like hated
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each other it was a really unhealthy
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relationship there was a lot of fighting
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in our house a lot of shouting and you
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grew up thinking that's sort of a normal
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relationship and then when you when you
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go up and develop your own you realize
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huh you can actually have a you know
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um but mum mum said for years and years
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and years as soon as Charlotte's old
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enough I'm leaving your father
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okay whatever and then sure enough when
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Charlotte was old enough mom and dad
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broke up no interesting see there was no
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declaration like that
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it wasn't I mean there was a time that
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uh my dad left mum and Timaru um on our
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way back from Blenheim when we were
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young like they just had an argument or
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a fight or whatever I mean he picked her
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up about 200 meters
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that is a weak protest yeah I know I
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know but um so it was it wasn't a
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surprise but it sort of was at the same
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time and um and for a while I I had I
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felt like mum had sort of abandoned us
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to be honest and so but I'd always been
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as well
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um my dad's girl you know like a lot of
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like my my siblings were much more sort
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of like my mum and Mum and I I mean we
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absolutely love each other but we are
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alike in ways which make us sort of
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friction yeah yeah yeah whereas dad and
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I are just sort of alike and it's much
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more easier yeah but um in terms of food
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like we used to do on a Saturday night
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it was very I'd go out for a bike ride
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of about 20 kilometers and then I'd come
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in and we would literally split you know
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those 500 Grand packet of spaghettis oh
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you're one of the long one of the long
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ones oh yeah did you used to eat them
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raw sometimes ah no there was two minute
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noodles it was an easy lunch as a
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teenager um we would split we'd have
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half each like a whole packet but also
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we'd get one of those French rolls from
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the supermarket and have garlic bread
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and we'd have half of that each
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fit that much food in I do not know yeah
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that sounds delicious it actually was
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like I'm thinking about it now and it is
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taking me right back to being like 17.
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yeah now how are your parents now living
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separate lives but they still get on
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okay they are like best mates
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oh I love that I know so lucky that my
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mum has had
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um another husband and now she has a
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companion would you call it uh and my
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dad just has happily sort of Gone Gone
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on you know sort of as a single man uh
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but they're everyone's in Dunedin and we
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all they always get together for sort of
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family get-togethers every Fortnight and
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oh that's so cool yeah they always look
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out for each other which is lovely so I
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had um uh Nikki K on the podcast
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recently the former uh Deputy leader of
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the national party and who her parents
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broke up when they was when she was
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seven she said I've maybe spoken two or
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three times since then do know Tom I
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have friends in similar situations who
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have parents who just have this absolute
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hatred for each other and it's called so
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much family friction
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um and for the children well I suppose
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the kids feel like they can't say they
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can't say anything positive about the
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other people they just want to avoid it
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all together because I know and then
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also you hear the stories of the the
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parents who try and put their children
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against each other as well and it's sort
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of it's I mean it only ever ends one way
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and that's that the children then feel
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resentful to the parent who tried to you
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know bad mouth the other one you know
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like it just never it's just all this
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bad energy yeah Life's too short for
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that eh mate yes yeah yeah so why did
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you decide to do nutrition
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yeah so I was always interested from a
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uh sort of teenage years and I guess
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because I was a chubby teenager growing
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up I was about so my my mother yeah yeah
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although that's handy in Dunedin Winters
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isn't it
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oh yeah particularly with no insulation
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in the houses totally oh yeah right
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um so so I was yeah and I was not
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interested in activity at all we would
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always go on diets and so I be I was
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really what age uh 12 and 13 probably
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was was sort of the younger 12 13
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well it didn't feel it at the time was
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your mum a yo-yo Dieter or oh completely
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oh okay yeah completely
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um although actually looking back at
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photos she was never overly large like
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isn't that interesting like at the time
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we were both like oh we're so chubby and
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because my sister meanwhile was very she
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was like a little weed growing up and
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she was into rugby and she had a milk
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run and I did just have a pamphlet run
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um
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it was great but you know different
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you've said you're a geek but you've
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also said you're a Bogan did you I think
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this is the true test did you ever dump
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the pamphlets no
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yeah I know okay I'm sort of like on the
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cusp you've really turned yourself into
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a brand like you've done
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[ __ ] well like you've got a good
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amount of Instagram followers podcast is
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humming you're well respected well liked
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so things that you do like selling your
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diet plans and uh your meal plans and
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things like that is it rewarding
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financially yeah it is it is rewarding
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and it has and part of it is because I
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think I've well you deserve it oh well
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thank you but no no more than anyone
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else would would deserve if they work
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hard in a job that they you know nine
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years of study oh yeah yeah so suddenly
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your meal plans are looking very cheap
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well it's it's funny because I I feel
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like a lot of the stuff that I know that
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everyone should know yeah you know like
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we are Hoodwinked when it comes to
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nutrition like there are so many things
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that people believe is truisms which are
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just not true what do you mean can you
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give us like a like an easy example yeah
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like red meat is bad for you right right
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like we should be eating five plus
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Breads and cereals a day
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that we should all be having trim milk
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saturated fat causes heart disease now
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I'm not saying that as a particular
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statement if you look at an individual
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case that this might not be true I
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suppose these are these are big things
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which on a population basis are actually
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not true when you dig down a sort of a
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little deeper so I just feel really
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fortunate that there are also things
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that I do that people also want to pay
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for by the way now's probably a great
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time to get a plug-in like what's your
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what's your website or where do people
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like learn more about you and learn more
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about these plans if they want to buy
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them Instagram I'm most active on at
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Mickey willarden also of course I'm on
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Facebook as well and my website is
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mickeywillidan.com
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and that's where you can do a one-on-one
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consult we can book a call book a plan
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you can just purchase a one-off plan you
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can hook into one of my online plans and
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in fact what I had I did develop in May
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of last year which I'm building now
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which which just excites me so much as
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my Monday's matter plan so it's a fat
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loss plan but it's more than that
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actually it's like a program of sort of
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Education it's there's a lot of
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psychology there is information on
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movement I bring people in to sort of
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chat to the group about different
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aspects of lifestyle that are important
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because Dom like it's it's eight weeks
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but you can never transform someone
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someone physically in eight weeks but
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you can certainly transform the way they
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think about food and how they feel about
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it and how they feel about themselves
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and
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um there's a really great Facebook
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community that comes with with the plan
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yeah what's a massive community that
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you've formed isn't it and you must be
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so proud of that I I am and and it's and
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it's you know I am one small element of
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it it's the people that are in the
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community are what make the community
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and that's what I love so much it's like
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you and your podcast you know like
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you've gone from DJ to Dom Harvey and
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and you were like that was thousands of
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followers who absolutely love you and
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what you do it's terrifying though at
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the beginning isn't it yeah yeah yeah
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yeah and um I'm still like learning so
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much and it's overwhelming at times but
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I'm loving I'm loving the journey I'm on
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it's great yeah awesome so um so what
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was your diet like um at University
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because I'm guessing like most most
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people that go to say otago University
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for example it's their first experience
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being away from home they probably eat
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[ __ ] you're starting University but
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you're doing a nutrition paper yeah um
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at what point do you realize oh [ __ ]
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this is terrible what we're doing every
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weekend yes so great question so because
00:18:26
of my Weight Watchers background I
00:18:29
didn't eat a lot of junk food except in
00:18:31
the weekend and in fact
00:18:33
um I mentioned that I um was a complete
00:18:35
Bogan moved in with my boyfriend and we
00:18:37
would have this like plan of like Monday
00:18:39
to Friday we'd just eat what we would
00:18:42
term well which is just no junk food
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really but it was looking back it was
00:18:45
way too much like I had like you know
00:18:48
toasty baked bean toasty pies very low
00:18:51
fat but I would have four of them uh oh
00:18:53
way too much airs and portions yeah
00:18:55
portion size yeah yeah like really sort
00:18:57
of like totally
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um and then but come the weekend where
00:19:02
you would just like have been complete
00:19:03
junk food fiends because we'd had the
00:19:05
weekend off you know that's standard
00:19:06
price
00:19:08
um so when I went into uh nutrition in
00:19:12
my sort of fourth year I'd I'd that had
00:19:16
changed someone in fact for a good
00:19:17
couple of years I completely was
00:19:20
um with the opposite direction so I was
00:19:22
I had lost like 15 kilos and was too
00:19:25
skinny and was too obsessed with eating
00:19:28
very little so it always like many
00:19:31
people sort of Swang in roundabouts if
00:19:33
you like and it probably took me a good
00:19:36
um five or seven years to reconnect with
00:19:40
what was good for me I suppose yeah to
00:19:42
reach a balance where it's been balanced
00:19:45
are you good are you good now like I I
00:19:47
follow you online and uh I see what
00:19:48
you're doing I've seen some interviews
00:19:49
with you where you talk about what you
00:19:50
and you almost seemed like um a little
00:19:53
bit of a like a badass or Renegade when
00:19:55
it comes to nutritionists like you're
00:19:56
not like a you're not like a massive
00:19:58
massive Punisher like you still drink
00:19:59
wine you still like chocolate and some
00:20:02
junk food yeah like you don't completely
00:20:04
deprive yourself of all life's Joys
00:20:07
and then life's Joys absolutely now I
00:20:10
have reached a a good balance now you
00:20:13
know and part of it is Barry so husband
00:20:17
um because he and I think when when you
00:20:21
are solely focused on if you're single
00:20:24
like I was single for a good nine years
00:20:26
you know through your 20s 30s us 30s
00:20:29
Yeah Yeah by choice or busy focusing on
00:20:33
your own work no no more that like I'd
00:20:36
split from my long-term boyfriend lovely
00:20:39
lovely guy and how long were you guys
00:20:41
together we for about nine years
00:20:43
probably so through the twenties how did
00:20:46
you not end up getting married proposal
00:20:48
never came up or well there you go right
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um I think we both like really loved
00:20:58
each other but we were both we're just
00:21:00
different people you know and in your
00:21:02
20s you sort of either grow together I
00:21:04
think or you might you know because
00:21:06
you're still developing as an adult and
00:21:09
and I think we just sort of probably
00:21:11
stayed together maybe a bit too long
00:21:12
yeah like convenience or do you think
00:21:15
you both knew that it wasn't going to be
00:21:16
forever but it was just well no I think
00:21:18
we were both happy enough sort of
00:21:19
coasting along and then suddenly I
00:21:21
wasn't happy coasting along and you sort
00:21:23
of want Direction and and there was none
00:21:25
sort of
00:21:27
um offered so I'm like well if this
00:21:29
isn't going anywhere then what are we
00:21:30
even doing and so
00:21:32
um was was part of that um because at
00:21:34
that time this might be really invasive
00:21:37
um but it was part of it at that time in
00:21:39
that age
00:21:40
um like worry about your biological
00:21:41
clock and oh yeah the fear of that I I
00:21:44
know that's a thing for it no yeah no
00:21:46
more that everyone else around us was
00:21:48
getting engaged and married and there
00:21:50
was still we were still like renting an
00:21:51
apartment in ponsonby just sort of
00:21:55
living like you would when you were 25
00:21:57
but we were like 31 you know and I know
00:22:00
that might not seem different in age but
00:22:02
at that age it is quite different yeah
00:22:04
yeah yeah so then I spent
00:22:06
um a good sort of seven or eight years
00:22:09
single and not by I mean I of course had
00:22:12
a smattering of of boyfriends but never
00:22:15
any that really I was interested in
00:22:18
enough to
00:22:19
you know they were just fizzled
00:22:21
basically um and then met Barry
00:22:24
um through you know modern technology
00:22:27
oh find it find someone find someone
00:22:29
yeah cool yeah yeah it was great what
00:22:31
was um who who like I don't know how
00:22:33
fine someone Works who clicked on who
00:22:35
who finds out how fine someone works I
00:22:38
don't know I've never never sort of
00:22:39
experienced um when because well I mean
00:22:41
I was married to JJ and then um like
00:22:43
Tinder came along so a lot of my friends
00:22:45
were on Tinder and I'd ever play around
00:22:46
swiping on their phones thinking [ __ ] if
00:22:49
I was single I'd be caning it out there
00:22:52
um and then uh JJ and I we broke up and
00:22:55
I thought I'm going to try this Tinder
00:22:56
thing and I I set up um a profile and I
00:22:59
was on it for like 10 minutes and then I
00:23:00
thought this just isn't for me like I
00:23:02
was like swiping through women going nah
00:23:05
nah nah nah and then I thought oh [ __ ]
00:23:08
these women out there who are going to
00:23:10
be doing exactly the same thing to me
00:23:11
which is just Soul destroying actually
00:23:14
you know so I agree with you actually
00:23:16
like the the feeling you get when you're
00:23:18
doing something like find someone or
00:23:20
Tinder it's in part it can be sort of
00:23:22
exciting like the way that you've just
00:23:24
described but also you get this sort of
00:23:26
feeling in the pit of your stomach
00:23:27
you're like oh my God is this is this
00:23:29
what I'm I've been um is this what this
00:23:32
has come to you know really like window
00:23:35
shopping yeah totally but um so bears
00:23:38
and I met initially on find someone in
00:23:40
2014. I met him up and I'm sure you
00:23:42
won't mind me telling the story
00:23:44
um or whatever but we met up in um you
00:23:48
know that funny old bar on duvoice road
00:23:50
yeah that's the only one that I could
00:23:52
remember I could think of to sort of
00:23:54
meet him at because he lived in Howick
00:23:55
and I had my wine and I um sat down and
00:23:59
then he came in and grabbed a wine so I
00:24:00
immediately went oh this guy gets wine
00:24:03
um he's a mess he loves craft beer but
00:24:05
you know he he got a wine he sat down
00:24:07
and he started talking and I'm I'm like
00:24:09
oh it's like I'm talking to someone from
00:24:10
Coronation Street
00:24:12
um was he very English he's English yeah
00:24:14
yeah
00:24:14
um but we just got on great but at that
00:24:16
time I was living in Birkdale
00:24:19
and he was out in Howick and I think it
00:24:23
was more me than him because I was like
00:24:25
I don't know he's a nurse he's got kids
00:24:28
he lives in Howick like all of these
00:24:30
barriers because I'd been to Howick
00:24:32
twice and cried both times because I
00:24:33
couldn't get out like he didn't love the
00:24:36
suburb um and it was like on brief
00:24:39
meetings I'm like how am I gonna handle
00:24:40
having a you know a boyfriend out there
00:24:43
um so after about six weeks Pedro was
00:24:45
cheap back then yeah that's true it's
00:24:47
true but have you ever been out east
00:24:49
like it's just it's like you're going to
00:24:51
Hamilton you know yeah it's a long way
00:24:53
it is uh so um I called it quits after
00:24:56
about six weeks
00:24:58
um but I had always sort of subsequent
00:25:00
and there was no reason and then
00:25:02
subsequent to that were you just been
00:25:04
busy you think creating you know what
00:25:06
you have now no was that part of it that
00:25:08
you just had that single-minded Focus no
00:25:09
no I think what it was I was frightened
00:25:12
to because I wasn't sure that it was
00:25:14
going to go anywhere and I wasn't like
00:25:16
I'd seen lots of friends just stay in
00:25:19
relationships for too long because they
00:25:21
were scared to be single yeah and I
00:25:22
suppose you'd already been through that
00:25:24
in your 20s but that other long
00:25:25
relationship yeah yeah you think
00:25:27
subconsciously you're like I'm not going
00:25:28
to do that again I think so because it
00:25:30
always might been my my thing was like
00:25:32
well there's no point just I'm not gonna
00:25:34
um pursue something that doesn't feel
00:25:36
really real yeah so there's no point but
00:25:39
we sort of kept in contact for you know
00:25:42
um just over a random text or whatever
00:25:43
and I was thinking oh he's a nice guy
00:25:45
it's a shame it didn't work out because
00:25:48
I was
00:25:49
certainly closer to the city yeah
00:25:52
yeah but then I moved to Dunedin for
00:25:55
about
00:25:56
um nine months in 2016. and then
00:25:58
realized Dunedin is not the place for a
00:26:00
single girl in her late 20s so the
00:26:03
Hightower back to Auckland and then um
00:26:06
and then I was back on Tinder and then
00:26:09
so was Barry and but I didn't know this
00:26:12
at the time until he sent me a message
00:26:13
saying Mickey I super liked you on
00:26:16
Tinder because apparently that's what
00:26:17
you do when you know someone
00:26:19
um and you know prior to this we'd had a
00:26:21
couple of messages you know maybe six or
00:26:22
seven months earlier and I was like ah
00:26:25
and I went back on Tinder and I saw the
00:26:27
picture that he had hit up terrible
00:26:29
picture and I'm like this is great he's
00:26:32
no one is gonna swipe on this guy
00:26:34
because this is the worst picture I've
00:26:36
ever seen of you
00:26:37
um and so I just said hey shall we catch
00:26:39
up for a drink within two minutes of
00:26:41
just chatting to him I'm like oh no this
00:26:42
is this is just well it just felt
00:26:44
comfortable or just I don't know I just
00:26:46
felt right I'm like oh this is cool he
00:26:49
is cool
00:26:50
and then he had the tarawera he was
00:26:52
pacing a mate of his Jesus has he always
00:26:55
been into running yeah
00:26:57
why did you break up with him in the
00:26:58
first place I can tell you guys are
00:27:00
destined to be together I know I know
00:27:02
but it was my head right you've got to
00:27:04
be in the right headspace right and so
00:27:05
he's like look I'm going down to
00:27:07
tarawera do you want to come with me and
00:27:09
I'm like I've got nothing to lose so I
00:27:10
did and then yeah then that was it so
00:27:13
we've been together since 2017 married
00:27:15
in 2020 yeah so I think that he really
00:27:19
has helped me relax around
00:27:22
the things that you set you know the
00:27:24
joys in life like it actually you know I
00:27:27
love craft beer like I will go and sit
00:27:30
in a brewery and have a tasting paddle
00:27:32
you know like I'm not a big drinker per
00:27:34
se but I will probably have a drink four
00:27:36
nights of the week which might be more
00:27:38
than what I suggest you might drink or
00:27:40
clients of mine might drink I drink four
00:27:43
nights a week do you mean I drink
00:27:44
because when I say to my doctor I drink
00:27:47
I never mean I drink no I know yeah no
00:27:50
generally speak like like one one to
00:27:52
three but if I have three that would be
00:27:54
a big night yeah right and it would it
00:27:56
would be once in
00:27:58
um one or two weeks you know so I'm not
00:28:00
uh I'm not a booze egg no and I actually
00:28:03
I think I'm really lucky like that
00:28:04
because I never went through University
00:28:06
having the Thursday Friday Saturday
00:28:08
night on the booze type scenario like I
00:28:11
mean of course I had some big nights but
00:28:13
I've got this real internal thing which
00:28:16
means that as soon as I know I've had
00:28:18
enough like it just is so unappealing to
00:28:20
drink anymore and also has made
00:28:22
non-negotiables and this was what I say
00:28:24
to clients as well is that you know when
00:28:26
you're drinking often there are drinks
00:28:28
you just really enjoy and then sometimes
00:28:30
you just drink for the sake of it yeah
00:28:32
even within the same evening so I love
00:28:35
having a drink before dinner and I'm 50
00:28:38
50 on whether or not I love it with
00:28:40
dinner I'm so not interested in drinking
00:28:42
after dinner whereas I know for other
00:28:44
people they love having dinner then
00:28:46
sitting down with wine so it's a matter
00:28:48
of figuring out what your
00:28:49
non-negotiables are because you can't
00:28:51
just go through life always denying and
00:28:54
depriving themselves of what they truly
00:28:56
love and I'm not suggesting everyone
00:28:57
should drink but you've got to figure
00:28:59
out what it is that you really love in
00:29:01
terms of food and drink and then find a
00:29:03
way to make it work yeah well it seems
00:29:05
like you've got a healthy relationship
00:29:06
with alcohol then yeah I think so yeah
00:29:08
yeah we're very lucky that we've got
00:29:10
little creatures just down the road
00:29:13
I love garage project in fact I think
00:29:15
they send me personal messages every
00:29:16
week
00:29:17
but it does sound like an alarm Bell if
00:29:20
someone's got an alcohol problem no I
00:29:22
know actually there's just like mate you
00:29:25
don't have to buy every time they send
00:29:26
you an email and then when you do buy
00:29:28
you don't have to buy six of them and
00:29:29
you mentioned before you love like a
00:29:31
like a like a fat chip oh yeah like how
00:29:34
many like a like a bowl yeah I like just
00:29:36
with beer yeah I like I love to share so
00:29:38
win bears and I so Thursday nights we're
00:29:40
down at Little Creatures we enjoy a
00:29:43
glass of wine or a beer and we have
00:29:45
their makiki fries do you get people
00:29:47
that um they see you eating eating or
00:29:49
drinking and they recognize you and
00:29:51
they're like yes oh bloody Mickey the
00:29:54
nutritionist well you know as a
00:29:56
nutritionist you always get the people
00:29:58
who are self-conscious around around you
00:30:01
about what they eat or they will comment
00:30:03
on what you eat as you've just sort of
00:30:05
said or actually they don't care
00:30:07
whatever but it's funny because I always
00:30:10
I sort of preface it by saying hey
00:30:13
unless you're paying me I don't care
00:30:16
what you eat so don't even worry but it
00:30:18
always it sort of grates on me a little
00:30:20
bit when people are like oh the
00:30:22
hilarious ones are like when you have a
00:30:24
salad and they're like oh that looks
00:30:25
healthy
00:30:27
hello it is healthy yeah and it's you
00:30:30
know but everyone's different as to the
00:30:33
amount of you know things that they can
00:30:35
include and continue to be healthy yeah
00:30:37
and that's what I always strive for with
00:30:39
my clients like it's not
00:30:41
um maximum deprivation it's about it's
00:30:44
almost minimum effective dose what can
00:30:46
you get away with but when people get
00:30:48
fundamentals right they figure out or we
00:30:50
figure out together that they can
00:30:52
probably get away with a lot more than
00:30:54
what they think if they do some key
00:30:57
things right yeah and it's then just
00:30:59
figuring out what that looks like in
00:31:01
their life yeah so I guess um now we can
00:31:04
do some maybe some questions about just
00:31:06
general just the stuff that you spent
00:31:07
nine years studying so we can learn from
00:31:08
you know I put this on Instagram I got a
00:31:10
bunch of questions my big thing would be
00:31:12
like say someone comes to you and they
00:31:13
want to lose light which basically means
00:31:15
in Brackets a diet how does someone lose
00:31:18
weight fast before then going on to like
00:31:20
a healthy sustainable you know lifelong
00:31:22
plan great question Dom so yeah so
00:31:25
just weight loss is often locked on as
00:31:28
being detrimental for a host of reasons
00:31:30
but actually if you look at research
00:31:32
around it it can be as effective it
00:31:35
might almost be more sustainable than a
00:31:38
slow steady drop because people get
00:31:40
those quick ones and are quite motivated
00:31:42
I think it always has to be couched in
00:31:45
education or a plan which allows you
00:31:48
tools that show you how to eat in that
00:31:50
sort of forever approach that's how I
00:31:53
sort of do it so if someone comes to me
00:31:55
for weight loss it's figuring out
00:31:57
whether they need or can sustain like a
00:32:01
a quite a big overhaul for a short
00:32:03
period of time or whether or not they do
00:32:05
need to make small changes so a big
00:32:07
overhaul for a period of time what was
00:32:09
it how drastic is it yeah usually it
00:32:11
will be more protein and more vegetables
00:32:13
less carbs and for some people it's
00:32:16
eating more food because so like I said
00:32:19
so just like plaque an average day say
00:32:21
what would breakfast morning snack lunch
00:32:23
um usually there would be no snacks
00:32:27
unless of course you're an active person
00:32:29
then maybe you do need to eat four times
00:32:31
a day right but you probably don't need
00:32:33
to have your toast and jam before you
00:32:35
run you don't need to come back to
00:32:37
scrambled eggs and toast into milky
00:32:40
coffees and then a muffin and then Sushi
00:32:43
and then some protein barro and then you
00:32:47
know continue so it's it's usually going
00:32:51
to look like a lot of the meals I
00:32:53
suggest to people are very similar
00:32:54
depending on what they like uh it might
00:32:57
be two eggs and a protein shake and the
00:32:59
protein shake might have some vegetables
00:33:01
included it doesn't have a lot of fruit
00:33:03
in there why because of the sugar yeah I
00:33:06
say that but it does depend like if
00:33:09
you've gone out for a run then yes
00:33:11
absolutely have carbohydrate in your
00:33:13
meal when you come back because that'll
00:33:14
help your muscles replenish right but if
00:33:16
you haven't then actually that sugar in
00:33:19
fruit or cereal or toast when I say
00:33:22
sugar I mean sort of more carbohydrate
00:33:24
that is broken down down into sugar
00:33:26
it'll just spike your blood glucose and
00:33:29
that will then subsequently lead to a
00:33:31
crash later on in the morning so your 10
00:33:33
a.m snack is sort of governed a little
00:33:35
bit by the fact that your blood sugars
00:33:36
have crashed and not necessarily that
00:33:39
you need calories so we always sort of
00:33:41
start with good protein and
00:33:43
um a bit of fat and fiber like vegetable
00:33:46
fiber usually
00:33:48
and I have like breakfast bakes that I
00:33:51
suggest people make I have like protein
00:33:53
smoothie Bowls because I I love the
00:33:57
convenience of protein powder and a
00:34:00
shake type thing yeah but texture is
00:34:03
really important so you choose something
00:34:05
so your brain gets that signal that
00:34:07
you've eaten something
00:34:09
so I like to have like a smoothie bowl
00:34:11
that has a bunch of other sort of like
00:34:13
might have zucchini if they're not 18 a
00:34:15
kilo or it might have carrot or pumpkin
00:34:18
or something like that in it or
00:34:19
cauliflower oh that sounds disgusting
00:34:21
have you tried it I know I haven't I
00:34:24
haven't tried it you should I should
00:34:25
challenge you to a week of Mickey eating
00:34:27
yeah all right I'll give it a go yeah
00:34:29
okay awesome there is that saying don't
00:34:30
knock it till you try it yeah it's
00:34:32
saying that's 100 true and in fact when
00:34:34
I sort of talk people through the the
00:34:36
type of dietary approach the response is
00:34:38
not too dissimilar to yours but all it
00:34:40
takes is to try it to see how different
00:34:42
you can feel so then lunch would be
00:34:46
um it's nothing it's not rocket science
00:34:47
I'm sure you could probably tell me what
00:34:49
lunch is like salad protein maybe a
00:34:52
piece of fruit maybe not when you say
00:34:54
protein what do you mean you'd want
00:34:55
either uh chicken or beef or pork or
00:34:59
lamb or eggs and you'd want a good sort
00:35:02
of 150 grams cooked right of those
00:35:05
particular Foods or three eggs it's
00:35:07
because of the protein quantity and
00:35:09
quality that you get in those Foods so
00:35:12
but you know 130 grams of chicken is
00:35:16
about 40 grams of protein okay and as we
00:35:19
age Dom our brain like we start to need
00:35:22
more protein at each meal to get the
00:35:25
signal that we've got enough of those
00:35:27
amino acids on board to help stimulate
00:35:29
muscle protein synthesis and to produce
00:35:31
neurotransmitters and a whole host of
00:35:33
things
00:35:34
so protein and vegetables would be my
00:35:36
sort of lunch go to and most people
00:35:38
would would probably understand why that
00:35:41
is and then
00:35:42
um dinner wouldn't be too different to
00:35:45
be honest
00:35:46
uh I generally Advocate a lower carb
00:35:49
approach for most people because that's
00:35:52
because most people default back to
00:35:54
carbs because they're really convenient
00:35:55
so it takes work to do things
00:35:57
differently
00:35:59
but also you know you have to recognize
00:36:01
that it's what you do typically that
00:36:02
makes a difference yeah what you do most
00:36:04
of the time yeah yeah so when you know
00:36:06
so yeah I have chips and I drink beer
00:36:09
and I enjoy chocolate and things like
00:36:11
that but you know 80 of the time I'm
00:36:13
eating the way that I've sort of just
00:36:15
described to you yeah yeah okay so let's
00:36:17
get to you do a drastic diet like that
00:36:19
for a while and then you can resume a
00:36:20
slightly more normal one well okay so
00:36:22
and that's what's got to change as well
00:36:24
so it's the mindset because you've just
00:36:26
said that that's a drastic diet
00:36:29
and actually no Dom that's not a drastic
00:36:33
diet I feel like I've been told off
00:36:34
right now I know that's it like 10 years
00:36:38
of being a lecturer I'm so sorry
00:36:43
you get that the way yeah so so all the
00:36:47
while so it's more than just the diet
00:36:48
and this is what I do with the clients
00:36:50
it's actually it's a mindset shift and
00:36:53
you've got to think about why you're
00:36:54
doing it and the great thing is though
00:36:56
is that when you eat the way that I
00:36:58
describe suddenly you don't feel like
00:37:00
you need a snack I mean you could eat
00:37:02
but you no longer desperate for it
00:37:04
because your blood sugars have just
00:37:05
crashed your recovery from training is
00:37:08
so much better because you've upped your
00:37:10
protein significantly
00:37:12
your you feel more satisfied with your
00:37:15
food and but you do have to do things to
00:37:19
make it tasty because all of the
00:37:21
processed food in the supermarket you
00:37:22
know they've got
00:37:24
um uh people designing the flavor I
00:37:27
can't remember what they call those
00:37:28
people but they get paid millions of
00:37:30
dollars to create the exact flavor and
00:37:33
texture that signals to your brain that
00:37:35
you just want more of it yeah I think
00:37:36
flavor flavors uh what they call them
00:37:38
yeah there you go there you go one thing
00:37:41
that we um we didn't really discuss is
00:37:43
you like you're running pedigree you're
00:37:45
a bloody good runner like you you're
00:37:46
you're you're faster than what I I'll
00:37:48
ever be and you've done you've got a
00:37:50
number of marathons under your belt how
00:37:51
many sub threes did you do oh I've only
00:37:53
done two two Sydney and Auckland oh just
00:37:56
the one on one and done baby oh yeah but
00:37:58
I think your sub three was better than
00:37:59
mine no 257. oh okay so anyway
00:38:02
comparison is the effect of Joy
00:38:04
we're both getting our makeup Toadies
00:38:07
yeah you're right but my point is um
00:38:11
going to this next question like you're
00:38:12
a very good runner so it's not like
00:38:13
you're just giving barking out advice
00:38:15
from nine years of study you've actually
00:38:16
been out there on the on the footpath
00:38:18
and on the right so for runners like why
00:38:21
should we be eating for training yeah
00:38:23
what should we be getting before a race
00:38:24
similar age to you my mum was running in
00:38:27
the 1980s and it was all pasta parties
00:38:30
totally I have a pastor party the night
00:38:32
before the running event and the idea
00:38:33
was you'd pay five bucks 10 bucks
00:38:35
whatever go along and eat as much pasta
00:38:38
as you could oh mate yeah I mean yum
00:38:40
sort of but yeah
00:38:43
it was funny actually so for the Rotorua
00:38:46
Marathon
00:38:47
um which was my first uh sort of uh good
00:38:50
result at a marathon it wasn't a sub
00:38:52
three actually but it did win on the day
00:38:54
um the guy one of the guys that I was at
00:38:56
that um I was traveling down with he was
00:38:59
also head started carbo loading five
00:39:01
days beforehand and gained five kilos so
00:39:04
on the Saturday of the event that's not
00:39:06
helpful is it so so I think how many
00:39:09
kilos of pasta do you have to eat to
00:39:11
gain five kilos of actual body weight
00:39:12
quite a lot quite a lot but I think I
00:39:15
think my point is is that some of of the
00:39:17
messages around things like what
00:39:19
nutrients are really important are often
00:39:22
misconstrued by Runners like some of
00:39:24
that sort of 1980s Sports Nutrition
00:39:25
Dogma is still exists today and I'm not
00:39:28
saying that carbs aren't important
00:39:30
because they are but it's just that
00:39:32
again protein is the thing which a lot
00:39:34
of people are not eating enough of and
00:39:37
even those that are cognizant they need
00:39:39
to eat more probably still aren't eating
00:39:41
enough so for a runner I mean if you
00:39:43
think about all of the micro tears that
00:39:45
occur even when you're on an easy jog
00:39:47
you need to have the nutrition on board
00:39:49
to support the recovery and repair there
00:39:51
and that's not carbohydrate carbohydrate
00:39:54
is used as energy it is protein that you
00:39:57
need for that so
00:40:00
um for things so depending on the goal
00:40:03
in the session like end the so with the
00:40:06
goal the shorter the distance the more
00:40:08
important it is to support your training
00:40:10
with carbohydrate that's for sure so how
00:40:13
much how much do you think um diet had
00:40:15
to do in you being the good runner that
00:40:17
you that you are that you're worth that
00:40:19
you are ah like a 255 that's um that's
00:40:22
phenomenal that'll put you in the top
00:40:24
top one percent of female Runners oh
00:40:26
amazing I should look at that actually
00:40:31
it is quick but oh look I don't doubt
00:40:34
that nutrition
00:40:36
um plays A nutrition absolutely plays a
00:40:38
role right
00:40:39
I think that training is probably
00:40:42
if I had if someone had put a knife to
00:40:44
my head and said you know what is it not
00:40:47
a knife a gun is it training or is it
00:40:49
nutrition I mean it's a training no no
00:40:50
four again
00:40:52
to be fair yeah
00:40:55
um okay so for you the morning of um
00:40:57
like a big long training run or a
00:40:59
marathon event what would you be what
00:41:00
would you be eating how many hours
00:41:02
beforehand yeah cool so
00:41:04
um for a so I'm getting up and doing a
00:41:06
26k run tomorrow morning a bit of
00:41:07
marathon effort so I will in fact have
00:41:10
ketones
00:41:12
so do you have you tried ketones Dom
00:41:14
ketones I've got no idea what you're
00:41:16
talking about oh mate I should give you
00:41:18
some
00:41:18
um are you running yet no I've got a bad
00:41:20
name we're going to be talking about
00:41:21
that shortly is there anything I should
00:41:22
be eating to fix my knee okay well we'll
00:41:24
talk about that yeah yeah so um ketones
00:41:27
are a type of supplement so it's sort of
00:41:29
like a carbohydrate gel but in fact it's
00:41:32
fat so I'll have some Ketone sachet
00:41:36
and then I'll also have MCT powder in my
00:41:38
coffee MCT what does that stand for
00:41:40
medium chain triglyceride right have you
00:41:43
heard of Bulletproof Coffee
00:41:45
I'm sorry how do you remember all these
00:41:47
things cheapest it's my brain it's
00:41:51
because I don't remember other really
00:41:52
important things like Barry's birthday
00:41:54
exactly
00:41:55
um who's Barry so MCTS are a type of fat
00:41:58
that your body can't store so it's a
00:42:01
readily available fuel source so that'll
00:42:03
be what I have before I go out on my run
00:42:05
and then come race day I will again have
00:42:08
ketones for the MCT
00:42:09
huh
00:42:11
and you know probably Chuck like a
00:42:14
banana or something right just for
00:42:16
something in my stomach really yeah yeah
00:42:17
yeah and then what about during the
00:42:19
event I I [ __ ] hate gels there's
00:42:22
um some there's a company called Pure
00:42:24
that do some which I find uh you're
00:42:26
shaking your head I know because I know
00:42:28
a lot of people love them yeah great
00:42:30
and and they're great yeah I don't
00:42:32
particularly love them myself just a
00:42:34
personal thing yeah yeah I like you can
00:42:36
what's that uh it is it's a carbohydrate
00:42:39
gel and again Dom if you haven't tried
00:42:41
these
00:42:42
you need to be I need to get out a bit
00:42:44
more yeah you do mate you just need
00:42:46
better nutrition
00:42:47
anyway but they're a type of carb which
00:42:50
is um very quickly sort of um digested
00:42:54
uh out of your into your stomach out of
00:42:57
your stomach and then it's released
00:42:59
slowly from the small intestine and you
00:43:01
need less of them than you would of your
00:43:03
usual sort of go type gels or other
00:43:06
brand gels so that's what I have during
00:43:08
my my event and I'll do it tomorrow as
00:43:11
well this might be a terrible analogy I
00:43:14
mean tell me if it is what the average
00:43:16
Runner is doing versus what you're doing
00:43:17
is that like the difference between say
00:43:18
putting 91 in your car versus the more
00:43:21
expensive sort of petrol
00:43:23
yeah it's not a bad analogy to be honest
00:43:26
but I'm not saying that what people are
00:43:28
doing is are wrong but we're missing a
00:43:31
lot of people miss that fundamental
00:43:33
piece of the puzzle is that your
00:43:34
carbohydrate stores are your limiting
00:43:36
factor in the longer events uh and look
00:43:40
we need carbohydrate for anything
00:43:41
shorter than a marathon and of course
00:43:44
longer as well but we can then rely on
00:43:46
other things sort of the longer you go
00:43:49
for really good sort of endurance
00:43:51
adaptations your body needs to have a
00:43:53
period of time where it can encourage
00:43:56
fat burning and rely more on what it's
00:43:58
got sort of stored in less on what
00:44:01
you're putting in it because the more
00:44:02
you rely on those gels every 45 minutes
00:44:04
the less opportunity you've got to use
00:44:06
your own sort of fuel stores yeah and
00:44:09
look a lot of people happen upon running
00:44:12
and find and expect to improve their
00:44:14
body composition lose body fat and end
00:44:16
up gaining weight and they wonder why
00:44:18
and often it's the fueling aspect of it
00:44:20
is that the um the saying you can't run
00:44:22
away from a bad diet you can't outrun a
00:44:24
bad diet yeah a little bit yeah yeah
00:44:26
okay so I've got this knee injury at the
00:44:28
moment I'm rehabbing hard out it's it's
00:44:31
made me realize
00:44:32
um and I suppose this is a positive it's
00:44:34
made me realize how I've taken for
00:44:35
granted running pain-free for so many
00:44:37
years so when I'm back running again I'm
00:44:39
going to definitely not neglect the
00:44:41
things I've been neglecting like
00:44:42
strength training and whatnot but is
00:44:44
there anything I should be eating or
00:44:45
doing to a first of all help myself
00:44:47
recover and then make sure it doesn't
00:44:49
happen again from a nutrient macro
00:44:51
standpoint definitely looking at your
00:44:54
protein Dom that would first and
00:44:55
foremost because you need that the
00:44:57
building blocks to help restore your you
00:45:01
know musculoskeletal tissue so if you're
00:45:03
currently eating less than I would say
00:45:06
because you're in recovery two grams of
00:45:09
protein per kilogram body weight a day
00:45:12
Dean that is one area to improve upon so
00:45:15
that's first and foremost injury
00:45:17
specific you take 20 grams of collagen
00:45:19
and about 50 milligrams of Vitamin C
00:45:22
which is super easy you just like have
00:45:24
one of those like tabs yeah yeah uh you
00:45:26
have an hour before doing any of your
00:45:29
Rehabilitation work that has been shown
00:45:32
to help accelerate repair and recovery
00:45:34
so you can buy collagen peptides super
00:45:37
easy but my point is that's what you
00:45:39
should be doing and if you're not doing
00:45:41
it now you need to start
00:45:43
and it needs to be about an hour before
00:45:45
your exercise because that amino acids
00:45:48
will Peak into your bloodstream and go
00:45:50
so that that's one thing
00:45:53
glucosamine and chondroitin I'm sure
00:45:55
you're all over that
00:45:57
well I don't know what you just said oh
00:45:58
my God okay supplements which we know
00:46:01
helps with it helps more with sort of
00:46:03
osteoarthritis type conditions
00:46:06
um but you're old you might have some
00:46:07
arthritis in there so well you know that
00:46:09
is what I've got osteoarthritis I had a
00:46:11
physio there see that to me and uh it
00:46:14
felt like a punch in the gut when you
00:46:15
hear the word arthritis and then I said
00:46:17
what does it mean she was like well I
00:46:19
don't know if it hurts to run then don't
00:46:20
run
00:46:21
um so I fired her and got it and what
00:46:24
man the physically I'm with now Chris
00:46:25
she was like she goes she goes the
00:46:27
amount of like patients I see that are
00:46:29
over 40 that have osteoarthritis she
00:46:31
goes it's not a death sentence totally
00:46:32
agree um okay so what was the thing you
00:46:34
said I got to write this down yeah
00:46:35
glucosamine and chondroitin I'm never
00:46:37
going to spell that no that's right I'll
00:46:39
email it to you okay it's easy
00:46:41
um and so um so there have been studies
00:46:43
to show it helps osteoarthritis pain but
00:46:46
finally two other things one is fish oil
00:46:49
or more particularly something called
00:46:52
spms which are specialized
00:46:57
pro-inflammatory resolving mediators or
00:47:00
something you've got the most boring
00:47:01
acronyms
00:47:02
I'm talking like [ __ ] is this really
00:47:04
boring
00:47:06
um and back curcumin as well so spms and
00:47:08
curcumin and particularly on days where
00:47:11
you feel more inflamed you take them
00:47:13
that's good to know and not just
00:47:14
selfishly for me but I suppose for
00:47:15
anyone else that's um dealing with um
00:47:17
running or recovery injuries I I uh put
00:47:20
on my Instagram page that you were
00:47:21
coming around here for a chat and uh
00:47:23
there were so many people that had
00:47:24
things they wanted to ask you one of
00:47:25
them in particular from my friend Benny
00:47:27
he said I've heard Mickey say that
00:47:29
Runners should be taken creatine what
00:47:31
are the benefits so many benefits so
00:47:34
from a running perspective helps with
00:47:36
recovery helps your bones helps your
00:47:39
muscles it helps with sort of producing
00:47:42
power and strength so as Runners we need
00:47:46
to be strong as you've said to get back
00:47:47
into strength training so it will help
00:47:49
us in the gym and then from our brain
00:47:51
helps with our brain function helps with
00:47:55
our cognition helps prevent depression
00:47:58
so much right yeah everyone should be
00:48:00
taking it Runner or not right another
00:48:02
one for mum beanie the creatine guy he
00:48:05
said um same question but about the
00:48:06
supplement currents I I'm familiar with
00:48:09
currents as well what are your thoughts
00:48:11
on them I love currents and in fact my I
00:48:14
sort of happened upon them when I had a
00:48:16
friend of mine reach out about three
00:48:18
years ago and he was like Mickey have
00:48:20
you heard about these currants I started
00:48:22
taking them because I've got hay fever
00:48:24
his hay fever completely resolved after
00:48:26
taking currents and then we know when I
00:48:30
posted about this on Facebook all of
00:48:31
these people see the same thing the the
00:48:34
current supplement is made from black
00:48:36
currants that are sort of they're grown
00:48:39
in New Zealand and it's a particular
00:48:41
thing in the climate whereby we have
00:48:43
super cold
00:48:45
um Winters but really hot summers
00:48:47
um and they sort of increase the amount
00:48:49
of this phytochemical called
00:48:51
anthocyanins and that's what makes them
00:48:53
good it's this phytochemical which helps
00:48:56
improve our antioxidant capacity improve
00:48:59
our ability to resolve inflammation
00:49:01
improves our neutrophil function
00:49:03
particularly in athletes they show that
00:49:06
you know you take a capsule of currants
00:49:08
for seven days and it improves our
00:49:12
ability to recover from like a 30 minute
00:49:14
exercise so you've got that so it helps
00:49:17
improve your neutrophil function or your
00:49:19
immune function which is super important
00:49:21
because if you can't consistently get up
00:49:24
and train the way that you need to then
00:49:27
you're never going to get to the start
00:49:28
line as fit as you can be yeah but if
00:49:30
you can take supplements or and arrange
00:49:33
your diet in such a way that you recover
00:49:34
properly and you're able to hit those
00:49:36
sessions the way that you want then
00:49:39
you're always going to perform better
00:49:40
right yeah absolutely so my experience
00:49:42
with currents um they they just sent me
00:49:44
like a free few packs I I did this
00:49:46
charity charity event maybe four years
00:49:48
ago three four years ago where I ran
00:49:49
five marathons in five days yes and in
00:49:51
the lead up to that they just sent me a
00:49:53
package out of the blue saying hey you
00:49:54
should try these they might help so I
00:49:56
thought whatever I'll give anything a go
00:49:58
yeah so so I tried them I got through
00:50:00
the the five marathons in five days
00:50:02
which is like 210ks over five days I I
00:50:04
got through the five days fine actually
00:50:06
like it was it was [ __ ] hard I'm not
00:50:08
gonna lie yeah but I got through it fine
00:50:09
and there was no way of knowing really
00:50:11
if the currents had nothing to do with
00:50:12
that or not but I've been taking them
00:50:14
ever since and um for long runs and
00:50:16
stuff they definitely help they did what
00:50:18
they do and I'm I'm a skeptical prick
00:50:20
when it comes to a lot of like
00:50:22
supplements and things like that and I
00:50:23
reckon there's Placebo effects so if I
00:50:25
take something and there's not a
00:50:27
noticeable difference I assume it hasn't
00:50:29
worked which is probably quite a
00:50:30
negative way of looking at it but with
00:50:32
Karen's I found it's a tangible
00:50:34
difference on me anyway yeah well that's
00:50:36
interesting so the you know I talk about
00:50:38
uh research around it and and there are
00:50:41
clinical trials you know these are
00:50:43
studies that have been done in actual
00:50:44
both athletes and people who aren't
00:50:46
athletes and so in addition to that
00:50:50
um like recovery response they show that
00:50:53
so for that one study which I just
00:50:54
mentioned a follow-up study for that was
00:50:57
they continued to take the currents for
00:50:59
a month and then continue to see
00:51:01
improved like recovery from it compared
00:51:03
to not taking the supplement there have
00:51:06
been just so many different ways with
00:51:08
which they impact your physiology that
00:51:11
sometimes when you talk about the things
00:51:13
that it does it almost seems like how
00:51:15
can one supplement do so much because it
00:51:17
impacts on our um
00:51:19
anti-oxidant system and our
00:51:21
anti-inflammatory system and also on our
00:51:24
ability to burn fat you know I was
00:51:26
saying just before that that is a real
00:51:27
limiting factor for us endurance
00:51:29
athletes in part because our modern diet
00:51:32
that isn't set up to encourage it
00:51:34
anything we can take and strategies we
00:51:37
can employ through training that help us
00:51:40
improve our fat oxidation is only going
00:51:42
to help with our with our performance
00:51:46
but also our recovery and into another
00:51:49
benefit of the currents that sounds like
00:51:51
an ad
00:51:52
um oh I know this is um this is this is
00:51:54
very authentic actually it's annoying
00:51:56
just to prove it's not an ad so they
00:51:57
they sent me some free ones before I did
00:51:59
the five and five and as I said I like
00:52:01
them and I I got through it okay so I
00:52:04
thought maybe this had a part because it
00:52:05
was anything I was taking so since then
00:52:07
I've sort of got me hooked no no I buy
00:52:10
my own [ __ ] now yeah yeah yeah no and
00:52:12
they've got a customer out of me yeah
00:52:14
totally and I I just it's um they you
00:52:18
know some of the studies looking at fat
00:52:19
oxidation again both in females and
00:52:22
males show that it can enhance fat
00:52:24
oxidation during steady state endurance
00:52:27
exercise so if you have something which
00:52:30
allows you to to burn more fat you're
00:52:33
going to create less free radical damage
00:52:35
you're going to go for longer and you're
00:52:37
going to enhance the impact of that
00:52:39
session like I'm like you Dom I'm a bit
00:52:41
of a skeptic in part because often I've
00:52:44
taken supplements and not really noticed
00:52:46
any change but I've definitely
00:52:49
um benefit from taking currents as well
00:52:51
oh snap yeah yeah well if anyone's
00:52:54
curious it's um currents c-u-r-r-a and
00:52:57
then NZ like New Zealand yeah yeah and I
00:52:59
post about them all the time
00:53:01
yeah I am and but anyone that follows me
00:53:04
would know that I'm not just an
00:53:07
influencer out there promoting loads of
00:53:09
things like I promote what I really
00:53:11
think people benefit from right so go to
00:53:14
Karen's and the discount code Mickey 15
00:53:16
no no no just a second just Mickey
00:53:18
actually
00:53:27
oh well you save uh 25 off your first
00:53:30
order so hey you're probably out of that
00:53:32
now because I want me to set up a fake
00:53:33
email address yeah so Karen's
00:53:36
c-u-r-r-a-n-z and you what's your
00:53:38
discount code and make it you like kki
00:53:40
in my kki yeah right all right get a
00:53:42
magazine someone uh Holly Griggs says uh
00:53:45
why all the hype around protein lately
00:53:47
ah so I think I've missed this what's
00:53:50
the hyper bit around protein in that how
00:53:52
important protein is but I feel like
00:53:54
protein's always been yeah and and it
00:53:56
has but I do actually feel like often
00:53:58
there's this you know there's this um
00:54:01
there are two camps either eat your
00:54:02
carbs or don't eat carbs eat fat
00:54:05
um and then protein was missed for a
00:54:06
long period of time I think uh but I
00:54:09
think one of the Hypes around protein is
00:54:11
that we're often told we eat too much
00:54:13
protein but one of the things Dom is
00:54:15
that if you look at the recommended
00:54:16
dietary intake for protein it's set at
00:54:19
0.8 grams per kilogram body weight which
00:54:21
is a minimum amount to survive
00:54:24
essentially all of the protein
00:54:26
researchers suggest at least double that
00:54:28
which would be 1.6 grams per kg body
00:54:30
weight it helps regulate appetite it
00:54:32
produces neurotransmitters like dopamine
00:54:34
serotonin it helps uh stabilize blood
00:54:39
sugar keeps you Fuller for longer it
00:54:42
takes more energy to burn protein and it
00:54:44
all of lots of factors which people who
00:54:47
want to improve their body composition
00:54:49
improve their recovery from training
00:54:51
does so much so that's probably Holly
00:54:53
why there's so much hyper around protein
00:54:55
Amber Clyde she said she wants to know
00:54:57
about the effects of sugar-free drinks
00:54:58
and weight loss ah well if you currently
00:55:02
are having sugared versions of these
00:55:04
drinks if you swap them out then you're
00:55:06
saving a bunch of calories that will
00:55:08
help with weight loss
00:55:10
um what are you what are your thoughts
00:55:11
because I I love soda I I've like Coke
00:55:14
Zero Coke no sugar yeah I love it I have
00:55:16
maybe one a day one to a day yeah am I
00:55:19
evil no not evil actually you know
00:55:22
there's a ton of research around this
00:55:23
and you get people in different camps
00:55:25
when I was a nutrition seller about nine
00:55:27
years ago I would say don't have it
00:55:29
because it'll cause cancer
00:55:31
um because the aspartame aspartame yeah
00:55:33
aspartame and actually that's one of the
00:55:36
most well-studied constituents of the
00:55:38
diet in science and the most recent
00:55:41
research would suggest like across the
00:55:43
board for weight loss it's helpful which
00:55:46
makes sense right because you're not
00:55:47
having the same equivalent sugar
00:55:51
calories one thing I would say though is
00:55:53
that if you're someone who drinks it and
00:55:55
it gives you a sweet palette and it
00:55:57
makes you crave more sweet food then
00:55:59
that's maybe where you might want to
00:56:01
look at it and also
00:56:03
drink water
00:56:04
if you're needing to hydrate and then
00:56:07
have fun and drink Coke Zero check out
00:56:10
um bio lane or Lane Norton he's got
00:56:12
great information on Instagram all about
00:56:14
the the sugar-free soft drinks okay and
00:56:17
how much water do you drink because you
00:56:19
know people say eight glasses a day or
00:56:20
whatever what are you what are you what
00:56:21
are you getting down here yeah I forget
00:56:23
about
00:56:25
um I would say about three liters but
00:56:26
it's not plain water so I love the
00:56:28
newest good green stuff
00:56:30
and so I have that with some aminos in
00:56:33
some creatine so that's about a liter I
00:56:35
make it in a liter bottle then I also
00:56:37
have this electrolyte called element and
00:56:39
it's sugar-free so it's got Stevia but
00:56:41
it's got a lovely flavor uh and
00:56:44
um so I probably have another two liters
00:56:46
like that sort of and you're pissing all
00:56:49
the time no because the electrolytes you
00:56:51
don't right right yeah yeah but also
00:56:53
you're tiny that is a lot of a lot of
00:56:55
fluid it is it is but I talk a lot so I
00:56:57
get dry mouth yeah and I do love I love
00:57:00
like the soda like how lovely yeah yeah
00:57:02
how good um someone wants to know are
00:57:04
there any special nutritional needs that
00:57:06
us 50 plus Ultra endurance athletes
00:57:08
should consider creatine
00:57:10
protein amino acids if you're a
00:57:13
vegetarian
00:57:14
fish oils and I think that would
00:57:16
probably they're the ones that
00:57:18
immediately spring to mind really yeah
00:57:20
okay oh that's amazing that's going to
00:57:21
be me next year hitting the 5-0 and I
00:57:23
feel like I'm just getting started on
00:57:24
myself yeah yeah well you are Dom you're
00:57:26
sort of like you've got years ahead of
00:57:28
you as long as you follow my nutrition
00:57:32
so many drastic changes I need to make
00:57:34
well do you know what though because the
00:57:36
thing with diet is that you can get diet
00:57:39
overhauls by making changes to habits so
00:57:42
you know if your problem is that you eat
00:57:44
lots of fast food it's your The Habit
00:57:47
you need to change is just to prepare
00:57:49
more food you know that's a one habit
00:57:50
change but it has so many flow-on
00:57:52
effects to diet and that's often what I
00:57:54
find now the the thing is with me like
00:57:56
if you if you tell me what to eat I'll
00:57:57
I'll just [ __ ] eat it I'm boring and
00:58:00
I I think I'm slightly aspergersy or so
00:58:04
I just eat the same thing every day I I
00:58:07
like I'll get up and I'll put two
00:58:09
bananas in a smoothie with a bit of milk
00:58:10
and some ice cubes and have that I have
00:58:12
like what
00:58:14
nothing oh you just gave me a look I
00:58:16
know hey look at Sanders or something
00:58:18
then at lunchtime I've got a new world
00:58:20
next door and I'll get like a maybe a
00:58:21
bit of ham and cheese baguette or
00:58:23
something from the display case then in
00:58:25
the evening every night I could have
00:58:26
like just broccoli and something else
00:58:27
broccoli and salmon or broccoli and
00:58:29
steak yeah yeah I hear that Dom and I
00:58:33
just think there's so much opportunity
00:58:34
for you how great is that so much
00:58:36
opportunity to improve and ensure you're
00:58:39
running Excellence heads into decades
00:58:42
yeah a lot of people when they get to
00:58:43
sort of our age like your late 40s 50s
00:58:46
they're sort of winding down the clock
00:58:47
and I heard a podcast with um garyvee
00:58:50
who's a real motivational guy who I
00:58:52
really really like and he was like
00:58:54
imagine a sports team when they get to
00:58:56
half time they're not like just winding
00:58:58
down the second half they're just
00:58:59
gearing up for the second half and
00:59:01
that's the way you've got to reframe it
00:59:02
yeah you do everything in life has to be
00:59:04
reframed as what opportunities are out
00:59:07
there you know like my mum love it a bit
00:59:10
and I hope she doesn't listen to this
00:59:12
but she's one of the chance yeah you're
00:59:14
right actually I remember her saying to
00:59:16
me adamantly last year that she wanted
00:59:17
to live to 103. how old is she now 67
00:59:20
right why why 103 because we have an
00:59:23
uncle that did okay yeah yeah and I just
00:59:26
I can see where the competitive Street
00:59:27
comes from exactly but I sort of felt a
00:59:30
bit sad because I wondered whether her
00:59:32
wanting to live to this ridiculous old
00:59:33
age because to me that's way old like I
00:59:35
don't want to live until I'm 103. you'll
00:59:37
be so important we wake up every morning
00:59:40
going oh I'm still here again I think my
00:59:42
Nana was like that she mine was as well
00:59:44
she's like 86.87 and yes every time I
00:59:47
said goodbye to Aaron Levin but I'll see
00:59:48
you next time nana and she'll be like
00:59:49
God willing Dom but she was ready to go
00:59:52
she was at peace yeah my mine and it was
00:59:55
the same but I sort of wondered whether
00:59:57
in part she sort of made those comments
00:59:59
because she felt she hadn't really lived
01:00:01
the life she wanted you know and and
01:00:03
also you need to make the most of your I
01:00:05
don't know your late decades I think I
01:00:07
feel like I'm gearing up now and I I
01:00:10
felt sad that my mum sort of was like I
01:00:12
really need to live for this extended
01:00:14
period of time because I haven't really
01:00:16
done what I really wanted to do in my
01:00:17
life for the first 40 years so I need
01:00:19
another 40. if someone's made like some
01:00:23
quite unhealthy lifestyle choices
01:00:24
through their lives and they're sort of
01:00:26
in their 40s now or whatever is it too
01:00:27
late to make a change
01:00:29
Never Too Late that's encouraging yeah
01:00:32
like if you like the great thing with
01:00:33
Instagram right is there are so many
01:00:35
illustrations of people or examples like
01:00:38
Joan who are like 85 and they are
01:00:40
gunning it in the gym and they are just
01:00:43
killing it crushing it in life and yes
01:00:46
there are things that you can't change
01:00:49
um you can't you know you can't undo I
01:00:51
don't know damage for a a host of things
01:00:55
let's say but you can always improve and
01:00:57
there are always examples of of
01:01:00
making change and feeling better doing
01:01:03
better being stronger and more fit and
01:01:05
more capable and more confident you just
01:01:08
you know until you die
01:01:10
then it's probably too late yeah yeah
01:01:12
well it is yeah my mum she was a smoker
01:01:16
loved her Diaries until about maybe I
01:01:19
want to say 55. and then um pressure
01:01:21
from the grandkids got her to stop now
01:01:23
she's 71 and there's seems to be no
01:01:25
adverse effects whatsoever I'm still
01:01:27
running marathons and that's amazing and
01:01:28
I think that like the research shows
01:01:30
that the you know you're lying your lung
01:01:32
capacity and and stuff actually does
01:01:35
like it takes some years but you can
01:01:37
really recover from from
01:01:40
um you know however many years of
01:01:41
smoking that that occurs yeah we'll wrap
01:01:44
this up now but the best way to like
01:01:47
follow you engage with you would be um
01:01:49
Instagram probably at Mickey willarden
01:01:51
yeah uh and then and you've got a link
01:01:53
tree there as well haven't you so yeah
01:01:55
you can follow your meal plans and do
01:01:57
whatever you want exactly because you've
01:01:59
done so many years of research and so
01:02:01
much work and we can all like benefit
01:02:02
from the stuff that you've learned oh
01:02:04
thank you Dom and the great thing is
01:02:06
information is so available eh so anyone
01:02:08
could be sitting in this chair have done
01:02:11
exactly loads of people are like me yeah
01:02:12
yeah but loads of people also like man
01:02:14
just get our information off Facebook so
01:02:16
yeah well Don thank you so much for
01:02:19
having me I really appreciate it yeah
01:02:20
thanks Mickey great to finally meet you
01:02:22
and I was sorry you mentioned earlier
01:02:24
one last thing you've got a 26k run
01:02:25
tomorrow what are you training for
01:02:27
what's your event Queenstown Marathon I
01:02:29
want to do a Boston qualifier so for
01:02:31
yours you're 45 now what's yours what
01:02:34
demographic are you on 45 to 49 yeah
01:02:36
yeah it is and um and actually it's 350
01:02:39
so I'll do the qualifier but I want to
01:02:41
try and get between 320 and 3 30 which
01:02:44
for me right now means I have to train
01:02:45
because I don't want it to be on the
01:02:47
cusp of I have to rely on the fact that
01:02:50
no one faster will will take all the
01:02:52
spots so yeah because it's like a
01:02:54
priority queue yeah it is have you done
01:02:55
Queenstown before yeah love it yeah done
01:02:58
it twice it's amazing you go to the
01:03:00
airport you wait by the baggage carousel
01:03:02
and there's those signs saying
01:03:03
Queenstown Marathon flat out beautiful
01:03:06
I know I love the way they do that I
01:03:09
read that in my life joke yes yeah flat
01:03:12
out spectacular and I'm like people are
01:03:14
gonna think it's flat so not flat well
01:03:16
there's there's one Hill there I think
01:03:18
it's on the The Edge just as you're
01:03:20
leaving Lake Hayes and it's um not a
01:03:21
Long Hill but it's the steepest [ __ ]
01:03:23
thing
01:03:24
you might as well walk up at a conserve
01:03:26
a bit of energy now haven't they taken
01:03:28
that out have they didn't they so I've
01:03:30
done
01:03:32
and I remember seeing the sign and it
01:03:35
said you lucky bastards we've taken this
01:03:37
out you just go this way this year or
01:03:39
something like that and I'm like oh
01:03:40
thank God but no I uh I'm looking
01:03:42
forward to it because it's always such a
01:03:44
great event it's a fun weekend yeah and
01:03:46
where will people find you afterwards
01:03:48
are you eating your duck fat chips and
01:03:50
yes any bagos yeah
01:03:53
search like Brewery oh you have got a
01:03:56
place oh yeah I do it's like so many
01:03:59
great micro breweries down that area
01:04:00
yeah amazing and then okay so assuming
01:04:03
you qualify for Boston then you'll go to
01:04:05
Boston 2024 2024 yeah then in between
01:04:08
times I I just decided last night I'll
01:04:10
do the 20 mile at the wild because
01:04:12
that's easy
01:04:14
it's fun I'm not saying it's an easy
01:04:16
thing
01:04:18
I don't know I know um but tarawera 102
01:04:21
is my next big one after 102ks yeah wow
01:04:24
when next year uh yeah February yeah and
01:04:27
then there's a double Dom at the Gold
01:04:29
Coast you can do a half and a marathon
01:04:32
on the same weekend so I think I want to
01:04:35
do that too is it the half Fest in the
01:04:37
marathon the next day or yeah
01:04:40
that's interesting yeah my mates they
01:04:42
did it this year and this sounds like a
01:04:45
great weekend really
01:04:47
to some people it sounds like a
01:04:49
nightmare yeah
01:04:50
yeah absolutely yeah you know there's so
01:04:53
many so many good events out there and
01:04:55
some of the good experiences you can
01:04:56
have all right Mickey you need to help
01:04:58
me fix my knee and then I'll see you in
01:04:59
the goldie yeah awesome all right hey
01:05:01
thanks so much great to finally sit down
01:05:02
with you love you thanks Tom thanks so
01:05:04
much
01:05:05
thanks very much for listening to
01:05:06
another episode of Runners only with dom
01:05:07
Harvey I really appreciate having you
01:05:10
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01:05:11
it's getting better
01:05:12
there's the occasional week where I
01:05:15
think it's gone back a bit you know two
01:05:16
steps forward one step back but I
01:05:18
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01:05:20
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wonder if I'm doing the right thing on
01:05:43
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01:05:47
snaps me out of my imposter syndrome uh
01:05:49
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