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[Applause]
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the greatest
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entrepreneur this generation Elon
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Musk hey
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guys grab my
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stuff sit there I'm going to yep I'm
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going to take this all
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right do this thanks for taking the
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time how um how you doing brother
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you keep him
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busy yeah I
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mean it's rarely a slow
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week I mean in the world as well yeah I
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mean any given week I me it just seems
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like the things getting nuttier it it
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it's definitely a simulation we've
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agreed on this at this
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point I mean well look if if we are in
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some alien Netflix series I think the
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ratings are high yes ratings are High um
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how are the um uh the the freedom of
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speech Wars going um this is a uh you've
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been you've been at War for two years
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now yes uh the price of freedom of
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speech is not cheap is it I think it's
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like 44 billion something like that just
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numbers give her give or take a billion
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yeah round numbers yeah yeah um it's uh
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it's it's pretty nutty there there is
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like this weird movement to uh quell's
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Free Speech uh kind of around the world
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and um and this is something we should
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be very concerned about uh you know you
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have to ask like why was the first
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amendment like a high priority was like
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number one um One is because uh people
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came from countries where if you spoke
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freely you would be imprisoned or killed
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and they were like well we would like to
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not have that here um because that was
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terrible and actually you know there's a
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lot of places in the world right now if
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you if you're critical of the government
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you get imprisoned or killed right yeah
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we'd like to not have that are you
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concerned to
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that I mean I supect this is a receptive
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audience to that message
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um you I I think we always thought that
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the West Was the exception to that that
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we knew there were authoritarian places
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around the world but we thought that in
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the west we'd have freedom of speech and
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we've seen like you said it seems like a
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global movement in brit you've got
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teenagers being put in prison for memes
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opposing it's like you like to you like
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to Facebook post throw him in the prison
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yeah people have got an actual you know
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prison for for like like obscure
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comments on social media not even [ __ ]
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posting yet like not even yeah it's
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crazy P got thrown in prison recently
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I'm like that was pretty about I was
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like what is the massive crime that
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right pav in France and then of course
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we got Brazil with judge
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Voldemort that that one seems like the
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one that impacts you the most can you
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what's the latest on
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that well we I guess we're we are trying
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to figure out uh is there
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some reasonable solution in Brazil
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uh the you know the concern uh I mean I
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want to just make sure that this is
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framed correctly um and uh you know
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funny memes aside I the the the nature
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of the concern was
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that least at at excorp we had the
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perception that um we were being asked
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to do things that violated Brazilian law
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so obviously we cannot as an American
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company impose American laws and values
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on on other countries um that uh you
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know we wouldn't get very far if we did
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that um but but we do you know think
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that uh if if a country's law laws are a
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particular way and we're being asked to
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what we we think we think we're being
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asked to break them then and and be
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silent about it then obviously that is
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no good so so I just want to be clear
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thetime sometimes comes across as uh
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elon's trying to just be a crazy
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whatever billionaire and demand
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outrageous things from other countries
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and
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um you know well that is
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true
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um in
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addition there are um other things uh
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that that I think are you know valid
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which is like we we we obviously can't
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uh you know I think any given thing that
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we do at excorp we've got to be able to
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explain in the light of day and and not
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feel that it was dishonorable or you
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know we we we did the wrong thing you
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know uh so we don't we that that that
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that was the that that's the nature of
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the concern so we actually are in uh
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sort of discussions with uh the you know
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judicial authorities in in Brazil to try
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to you know run this to ground like
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uh what What's actually going on like if
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if we're being asked to break the law
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Brazilian law then that's that that
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obviously should not be should not sit
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well with the Brazilian Judiciary and if
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we're not and we're mistaken we'd like
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to understand how we are mistaken I
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think that's a that's a pretty
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reasonable uh position I'm a bit
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concerned as your friend that you're
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going to go to one of these countries
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and I'm going to wake up one day and
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you're going to get arrested and like
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I'm going to have to to go bail you out
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or something like this is feels very
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acute like yes I mean it's not a joke
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now like they're literally saying like
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you know it's not just Biden saying like
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we have to look into that guy now it's
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become quite literal like this I who was
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the guy who just wrote the um was it the
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guardian piece about like oh yeah yeah
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there have been three articles and I
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think in the past three weeks Robert
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Reich but it wasn't just him it was like
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three different articles three different
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articles it doesn't that's a trend
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that calling for me to be imprisoned
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right in the in the guardian you know
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guardian of what what are they Pro
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exactly guardian of I don't know
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authoritarianism yeah guardian of uh
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yeah yeah censorship censorship but but
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the premise here is that you bought this
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thing this online Forum this
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communication platform and you're
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allowing people to use it to express
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themselves therefore you have to be
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jailed I don't understand the logic here
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right um there's what do you think
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they're actually afraid of at this
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point what's the motivation here I mean
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I think the if somebody's a if
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somebody's sort of trying to push a
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false premise on the world then and then
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that that and that premise can be
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undermined with public dialogue then
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they will be opposed to public Dialogue
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on that premise because they wish that
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false premise to Prevail right um so
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that's I think you know the the issue
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there is uh if they don't like the truth
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uh you know then we want to suppress it
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so now the you know the the sort of the
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what what we're trying to do with excorp
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uh is uh I distinguish that from my son
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who's also called X yes
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uh you have you have parental
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goals everything's just called X
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basically it's very difficult
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disambiguation the sun yeah everything
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um
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so what what we're trying to do is
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simply adhere to the uh you know the the
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laws in a in a country um so so if
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something is illegal in the United
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States or if it's illegal in you know
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Europe or Brazil or or wherever it might
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be uh then then we will take it down or
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we'll suspend the account because we
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we're not you know there to make the
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laws we but but if speech is not legal
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then then what are we doing okay now
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we're injecting ourselves in as as a
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sensor and and where does it stop and
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who
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decides so and where where does that
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path lead I think it leads to a bad
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place uh so if the people if in a
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country want the laws to be different
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they should make the laws different but
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otherwise we're going to obey the law in
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each jurisdiction right and some of
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these Europe that's it it's it's not
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more complicated there we're not we're
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not trying to FL out the law we going to
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be clear about that but we're we're
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trying to adhere to the law and if the
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laws change we will change and if if the
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laws don't change we we won't we're just
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literally trying to adhere to the law
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it's pretty pretty straightforward there
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are some very
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straightforward if somebody doesn't
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thinks we're not adhering to the law
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well they can file a lawsuit Bingo also
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very straightforward I mean there are
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European countries that don't want
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people to promote Nazi propaganda yes
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they have some sensitivity to it well
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it's it is illegal and it is illegal
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in those countries if somebody puts that
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up you take it down yes but they
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typically file something and say take
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this down no in some cases it is just um
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obviously illegal like you don't need to
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file a lawsuit for you know if something
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is just you know unequivocally illegal
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we can literally read the law this
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violates the law you know anyone anyone
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can see that like you know you don't
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need like if if somebody is stealing you
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don't need let me check the law on that
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okay oh no they're they're stealing
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Frisco let's talk so we had we had JD
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Vance here this morning he did a great
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job um and you know one of the things is
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there's this image on X of like
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basically like you
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Bobby uh Trump and JD are like the
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Avengers I guess and then there's
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another meme where you're in front of a
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desk where it says d g the department of
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governmental efficiency yes yes I posted
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that one tell us about I I made it using
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grock the gro image generator
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and I posted it tell us about it to my
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profile seek for
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efficiency um how how do you do
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it well I mean
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I I think with great difficulty uh but
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you know look it's been a long time
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since there was a serious effort to
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reduce the size of government and to um
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remove absurd regulations yeah and you
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know the last time there was a really
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concered effort on that front was Reagan
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in the early ' 80s so we're 40 years
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away from um a a a a serious effort to
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remove um you know not regulations that
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don't serve the greater good and and
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reduce the size of government and I
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think it's just if we don't do that then
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what's what what's happening is that we
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get regulations and laws accumulating
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every year until eventually everything's
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illegal uh and that's why we can't get
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uh major infrastructure projects done in
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the United States like if you look at
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the absurdity of the California highs
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speed rail I think they theyve spent $7
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billion and have A600 put segment that
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doesn't actually have rail in
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it I mean your tax dollars at work I
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mean yeah what are we doing that's an
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expense of 600 feet of concrete you know
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um and and I mean I think it's like if
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you know uh I realize sometimes I'm
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perhaps a little optimistic with
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schedules but
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uh you
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know I mean I wouldn't be doing the
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things I'm doing if I was uh you know
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not an an optimist uh so but but but but
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at the current Trend you know California
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High Street rail might finish sometime
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next
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Century maybe probably not we're just
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we'll have teleportation by that time so
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yeah
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exactly AI do everything at that point
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so so so so
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I think you really think of um you know
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the the United States and many countries
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it's it's arguably worse than the EU as
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being like galiva tied down by a million
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little strings and like any one given
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regulation is not is not that bad but
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you've got a million of them and um or
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Millions actually and and and then
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eventually you just can't get anything
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done and and this is a this is a massive
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tax on the on the consumer on the people
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uh it's just they don't they don't
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realize that there's this this massive
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tax in the form of irrational
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regulations um I'm going I'll give you a
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recent uh example that that you know is
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is just insane um is that uh like SpaceX
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was fined by the EPA
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$140,000 for um they claimed dumping uh
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portable water on the ground drinking
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water so and we're like uh this is that
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star base and and we're like it's we're
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in a TR tropical uh thunderstorm region
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um that stuff comes from the Sky all the
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time and
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um and there was no actual harm done you
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know it was just water to cool the the
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the Launchpad during uh liftoff and um
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there's zero harm done like and they're
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like they agree yes there's zero harm
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done we're like okay so there's no harm
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done and um you want us to pay $140,000
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fine it's like yes because you didn't
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have a
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pmit okay we didn't know there was a
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ponent needed for zero har fresh water
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being on the ground in a place that
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where fresh water full from the sky all
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the
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time got it next to the ocean next to
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the ocean cuz there's a little bit of
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water there too yeah I mean sometimes it
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rain so much the the roads are flooded
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so we're like you
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know how does this make any sense yeah
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and and then they're like then then they
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were like well we're not going to
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process any more of your any more of
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your applications for launch for
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Starship launch unless you pay this
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$140,000 they just ransomed us and we're
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like okay so we paid $140,000 but it was
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a it's like this is no good I mean at
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this rate we're never going to get to
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Mars I mean that's
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the that's the confounding part here
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yeah is we're acting against our own
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self-interest you know when you look at
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we do have to make putting aside fresh
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water but hey you know there the rocket
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makes a lot of noise so I'm I'm certain
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there's some complaints about noise once
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in a while but sometimes you want to
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have a party or you want to make
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progress and there's a little bit of
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noise therefore you know we we trade off
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a little bit of noise for massive
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progress or even fun so like when did we
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stop being able to make those tradeoffs
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but talk about the difference between
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California and Texas uh where you and I
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now reside um Texas you were able to
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build the gigafactory I remember when
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you got the plot of land and then it
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seemed like it was less than two years
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when you had the party to open it yeah
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from start of construction um to
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completion uh was 14 months 14 14 months
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is there anywhere on the planet that
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would go faster is like China faster
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than that uh China was 11 months got it
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so Texas China 11 and 14 months
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California how many months and just to
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give you a sense of size the Tesla
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gigafactory in China is three times the
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size of the Pentagon which was the
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biggest building in America uh no there
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are bigger buildings but the pentagon's
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pretty big one yeah where it was the
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biggest in units in units of Pentagon
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it's like three okay three pentagons and
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counting yeah got it in 14 months um the
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just the just the regulatory approvals
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in California would have taken two
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years yeah so that's that's the issue
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where where do you think the regulation
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helps like for the people that will say
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we need some checks and balances we
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can't have some because for every good
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actor like you there'll be a bad actor
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so where is that line then yeah I mean I
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have a sort of you
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know in in sort of doing Su sensible
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deregulation and um reduction in the
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size of government the is is just like
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be very public about it and say like
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which of these rules do you if the
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public is really excited about a rule
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and wants to keep it we'll just keep it
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and and here the thing about the rules
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if if like if the rule is um you know
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turns out to be a bad we'll just put it
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right back okay and then you know
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problem solved it's like it's easy to
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add rules but we don't actually have a
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process for getting rid of them that's
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the issue there's no garbage collection
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rul um when we were um watching you work
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David and I and Antonio um in that first
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month at Twitter which was all hands on
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deck and you were doing zerob based
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budgeting you really quickly got the
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cost under control and then miraculously
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everybody said this site will go down
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and you added 50 more features so maybe
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explain because this is the first time
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yeah there like so many articles like
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the that this this
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Twitter is Dead Forever there's no way
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it could possibly even continue at all
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it was almost like the Press wasting for
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you let's write theit here has the
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orbituary uh they were all saying their
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goodbyes on Twitter remember that yeah
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yeah yeah they were all leaving and
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saying their goodbyes cuz the site was
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going to melt down and totally fail and
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and uh all the journalists left yeah and
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which is if you ever want to like hang
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out with a bunch of Hall monitors oh my
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God threads is amazing every time I go
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over there and post they're like they
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they're really triggered but yeah I mean
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if you like being condemned repeatedly
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then you know for reasons that make no
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sense then threads is the way to go yeah
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it's really it's it's the most miserable
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place on Earth if Disney's the happiest
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this is the anti- Disney but if we were
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to go into government you went into the
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Department of Education or Pi pick the
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department you've worked with a lot of
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them actually sure you can't go in there
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in zero based budget okay we get it but
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if you could just pair two three four 5%
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of those organizations what kind of
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impact would that
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have yeah I mean I think we'd need to do
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more than that I think ideally but
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compounding every year 2 3% a year I
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mean it would be better than what's
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happening
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now yeah I look I think we we um you
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know
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uh if if Trump wins and obviously I
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suspect there are people with mixed
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feelings about whether that should
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happen but uh but if but we do have an
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opportunity uh to do kind of a once- in
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a-lifetime deregulation and reduction in
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the size of government um because
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because the other thing besides the
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regulations um America is also going
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bankrupt extremely quickly um and and
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nobody seems everyone seems to be sort
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of whistling past the graveyard on this
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one um but they're all they're all
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grabbing the silverware everyone's stuff
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in their pockets and the silverware
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before this the Titanic SS like well you
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know the the defense department by
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budget is a very big budget okay it's a
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trillion dollars a year DOD Intel it's
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Trill a trillion dollars um and interest
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payments on the national debt just
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exceeded the defense department budget
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they're over a trillion dollar a year
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just in interest and Rising we're we're
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adding a trillion dollars to the net to
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our debt which our you know kids and
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grandkids are going to have to pay
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somehow um
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you know every every three months and
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then soon it's going to be every two
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months and then every month and then the
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only thing we'll be able to pay his
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interest yeah and and if if this it's
00:20:10
just you know it's just like a person at
00:20:12
scale that has racked up too much credit
00:20:16
card debt um and
00:20:19
uh this this is not this is not have a a
00:20:23
good
00:20:24
ending so we have to reduce the spending
00:20:27
let me ask one question cuz I've brought
00:20:29
this up a lot and the counterargument I
00:20:30
hear which I disagree with um but the
00:20:32
counter argument I hear from a lot of
00:20:34
politicians is if we reduce spending
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because right now if you add up federal
00:20:38
state and local government spending it's
00:20:41
between 40 and 50% of GDP so nearly half
00:20:45
of our economy is supported by
00:20:48
government spending and nearly half of
00:20:49
people in the United States are
00:20:51
dependent directly or indirectly on
00:20:53
government checks and either through
00:20:56
contractors uh that that the government
00:20:57
pays or their employed by government um
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entity so if you go in and you take to
00:21:02
harden acts too fast you will have
00:21:05
significant contraction job loss and
00:21:07
recession what's The Balancing Act Elon
00:21:10
just thinking realistically because I'm
00:21:12
100% on board with you the steps the
00:21:15
next set of steps however assume Trump
00:21:18
wins and you become the the chief uh doe
00:21:23
um uh dog uh like G
00:21:28
how how like yeah and I think the
00:21:30
challenge is how quickly can we yeah how
00:21:32
quickly can we go in how quickly can
00:21:34
things change and without
00:21:39
without I want that on my business card
00:21:41
yeah without all the L without all the
00:21:44
contraction and
00:21:45
job yeah so so I guess how do you really
00:21:48
address it when so much of the economy
00:21:49
and so many people's jobs and
00:21:50
livelihoods are dependent on government
00:21:52
spending well I mean I I do think it's
00:21:55
it's it's sort of um
00:21:59
you know it's it's false dichotomy it's
00:22:00
not like no government spending is going
00:22:02
to happen um you really have to say like
00:22:04
is it the right level um and just
00:22:07
remember that that you know any any
00:22:10
given person if they are doing things in
00:22:13
a less efficient organization versus
00:22:15
more efficient organization their
00:22:17
contribution to the economy their net
00:22:19
output of goods and services will reduce
00:22:22
um I mean you've got a couple of clear
00:22:23
examples between uh East Germany and
00:22:25
West Germany North Korea and South Korea
00:22:28
um I mean North Korea they're starving
00:22:30
uh South Korea it's like amazing it's
00:22:32
the future the compounding effect of
00:22:34
productivity gains yeah yeah it's night
00:22:36
and day yeah um and so in the north
00:22:38
North Korea you've got 100% government
00:22:40
um and in South Korea you've got
00:22:42
probably I don't know 40% government
00:22:44
it's not zero yeah U and yet you've got
00:22:46
a standard of living that is probably 10
00:22:47
times higher in South Korea at least at
00:22:50
least exactly um uh and then East and
00:22:53
West Germany um in West Germany uh you
00:22:56
had just thinking in terms of cars I
00:22:58
mean you had BMW Porsche Audi Mercedes
00:23:01
um and and East Germany which is a
00:23:04
random line on a map um you you the the
00:23:08
car only car you could get was a a
00:23:09
trabant which is basically a lawn mower
00:23:11
with a shell on it um and it was
00:23:14
extremely unsafe and you there's a
00:23:17
20-year
00:23:19
wait so you like you know put your kid
00:23:21
on the list as soon as they're conceived
00:23:24
um they're conceived and and even then
00:23:26
only I think um you know quarter of
00:23:29
people maybe got got this lousy car and
00:23:33
the same so so that's just an
00:23:34
interesting example of like basically
00:23:36
the same people different operating
00:23:38
system and and it's not like uh West
00:23:41
Germany was some you know you know a
00:23:44
capitalist uh Heaven it was it's quite
00:23:48
socialist actually so uh so when you
00:23:51
look you know probably it was half half
00:23:54
government in West Germany and 100%
00:23:56
government in East Germany and again
00:23:58
gain sort of a five to like it call at
00:24:01
least a 5 to 10x standard of living
00:24:03
difference and even qualitatively vastly
00:24:06
better and and it's obviously you know
00:24:08
sometimes people have these amazingly in
00:24:09
this modern era this debate as to which
00:24:11
system is better well I'll tell you
00:24:13
which system is better um the one that
00:24:15
doesn't need to build the world to keep
00:24:16
people in okay that's that's how you can
00:24:19
tell
00:24:22
okay it's a dead giveaway spoiler alert
00:24:26
dead giveaway they climbing the wall to
00:24:28
get out
00:24:29
you have to build a barrier to keep
00:24:32
people in that is the bad system um
00:24:36
there wasn't West West berin that built
00:24:37
the wall okay they were like to you know
00:24:40
anyone who wants to flee West berin go
00:24:41
ahead um speaking of walls so it you
00:24:44
know and and and and if you look at sort
00:24:46
of the flux of boats from Cuba there's a
00:24:49
large number of boats from Cuba and
00:24:52
there's a bunch of free boats that you
00:24:54
anyone can take to to to Cuba
00:24:58
there's like hey wow an abandoned boat I
00:25:00
could use this boat to go to Cuba where
00:25:03
they have communism awesome Yes um and
00:25:06
and and yet nobody nobody picks up those
00:25:08
boats and and does it amazing um so
00:25:12
given this a lot of thought yeah wait so
00:25:13
your point is jobs will be created if we
00:25:15
cut government spending in half jobs
00:25:17
will be created fast enough to make up
00:25:19
for right just to count yes obviously
00:25:22
you know I'm not suggesting that that
00:25:23
people you know um have like immediately
00:25:26
tfed you know tossed out with with with
00:25:28
no severance and and you know can't now
00:25:31
can't pay their mortgage they need to
00:25:32
see some reasonable offramp uh where
00:25:34
yeah yeah um so reasonable offramp where
00:25:37
you know they're still um you know
00:25:39
earning they're still receiving money
00:25:41
but have like I don't know a year or two
00:25:42
to to f to find jobs in the private
00:25:45
sector which they will find and then
00:25:46
they will be in a different operating
00:25:48
system um again you can see the
00:25:50
difference East Germany was incorporated
00:25:52
into West Germany living standards in
00:25:53
East Germany uh Rose
00:25:56
dramatically um so in four years if you
00:25:59
could shrink the side size of the
00:26:01
government with Trump what would be a
00:26:03
good Target just in terms of like
00:26:05
ballpark I mean are you trying to get me
00:26:06
assassinated before this even happens no
00:26:09
no pick AO number I mean you know
00:26:12
there's that old phrase go postal I mean
00:26:13
it's like they might yeah on me so we'll
00:26:16
keep the post office I I'm going to need
00:26:18
a all the security details guys yes I
00:26:21
mean this year a number of disg granted
00:26:24
workers for former government employees
00:26:26
is you know
00:26:29
quite a scary number I mean I might not
00:26:30
make it you know I was saying low low
00:26:32
digits every year for four years would
00:26:34
be palatable yeah and I like your idea
00:26:36
the thing is that if if it's not done uh
00:26:39
like if you have a once once in a
00:26:40
lifetime or once in a generation
00:26:42
opportunity and you don't take Serious
00:26:44
action and and then you have four years
00:26:47
to get it done and then and if it
00:26:50
doesn't get done then how serious is
00:26:52
Trump about this like you've talked to
00:26:53
him about it yeah yeah I think he is
00:26:56
very serious about it got it um and no I
00:26:59
I think actually the reality is that if
00:27:01
we get rid of nonsense regulations and
00:27:03
shift people from the government sector
00:27:06
to the private sector we will have
00:27:08
immense
00:27:09
Prosperity um and and I think we will
00:27:11
have a golden age in this country and
00:27:14
it'll be
00:27:15
fantastic can we uh can we talk about
00:27:20
SP um you have a bunch of critical
00:27:23
Milestones coming up um yeah in fact
00:27:25
there's an important a very exciting
00:27:27
launch
00:27:28
um that is may be happening tonight so
00:27:31
if if that the weather is is holding up
00:27:33
then I'm going to leave here head to
00:27:35
Cape canaval uh for the um the the PO
00:27:39
stor Mission which is a private Mission
00:27:40
so funded by Derek um DED isman and he's
00:27:44
um awesome guy and and there this will
00:27:47
be the first time uh the first private
00:27:50
first first commercial space walk um and
00:27:52
and'll be at at the highest altitude uh
00:27:56
since Apollo so it's the furthest from
00:27:58
Earth that anyone's
00:28:00
gone um
00:28:04
yeah and you what comes after that let's
00:28:07
assume that's successful and I sure hope
00:28:09
so
00:28:12
man um no
00:28:16
pressure
00:28:17
um yeah we you know Absolut you know
00:28:20
Astron prior astral safety is man if I
00:28:24
had like all all all the wishes I could
00:28:26
save up that would be the one to to put
00:28:28
on so you know space is dangerous um so
00:28:34
the
00:28:36
the yeah the next
00:28:38
Milestone after that would be the next
00:28:41
flight of Starship um which um you know
00:28:45
Starship is next five Starship is ready
00:28:47
to fly we are waiting for regulatory
00:28:52
approval you know yeah it it it it
00:28:56
really should not be possible to both a
00:28:58
giant rocket faster than the paper can
00:29:02
move from one desk to
00:29:04
[Applause]
00:29:09
another that stamp was really hard
00:29:14
approved yeah you ever see that movie
00:29:16
zootopia you ever see that movie
00:29:18
zootopia there's like a
00:29:21
sloth in for the approval yeah
00:29:24
accidentally tell a joke and and I was
00:29:26
like oh no this is good here we go going
00:29:28
to take a long time sorry sorry um but
00:29:30
yeah
00:29:31
zootopia you know you know the funny
00:29:34
thing is like so I went to the
00:29:37
DMV about I don't know a year later
00:29:40
after zootopia and to get my whatever
00:29:43
license renewal and the guy in in an
00:29:45
exercise of incredible self- awareness
00:29:47
had the sloth from zootopia in his um in
00:29:50
his cube in in in his Cube and he was
00:29:53
actually Swift
00:29:55
yeah with the with the Mandate beat the
00:29:57
sloth yeah yeah no personal agency
00:29:59
personal agency no I mean some people
00:30:03
like think the you know the government
00:30:06
is um more confident than it than it is
00:30:09
I'm not saying that there aren't
00:30:10
confident people in the government
00:30:11
they're just in an operating system that
00:30:13
is inefficient um once you move them to
00:30:15
a more efficient operating system they
00:30:17
their output is dramatically greater as
00:30:19
we've seen examp you know when East
00:30:22
Germany was reintegrated to into with
00:30:24
West Germany and and and the same people
00:30:27
um were vastly more prosperous uh with a
00:30:30
basically half capitalist uh operating
00:30:33
system
00:30:34
so um but I
00:30:37
mean for a lot of people their like the
00:30:40
maybe most direct experience with the
00:30:42
government is the DMV um and and then
00:30:46
the important thing to remember is the
00:30:47
the government is the DMV at
00:30:51
scale right that's the government got
00:30:54
the mental picture how much do you want
00:30:55
to scale it
00:30:59
yeah yeah sorry can you go back to
00:31:02
chat's um uh question on Star so you you
00:31:04
announced just the other day Starship
00:31:06
going to Mars in two years and by the
00:31:09
way huh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and
00:31:12
then four years for a
00:31:14
crude uh aspirational launch in the next
00:31:16
window and how much is the government
00:31:18
involved I'm not saying like say you
00:31:20
watch by these not you know uh but these
00:31:23
uh but it based on our current progress
00:31:27
where with with Starship We were able to
00:31:29
successfully reach oval of velocity
00:31:31
twice uh we were able to achieve soft
00:31:33
Landings of the the booster and the ship
00:31:36
in water uh and that's despite the ship
00:31:39
having you know half its flaps cooked
00:31:41
off um you can see the video on the X
00:31:43
platform it's quite exciting um so you
00:31:47
know we we we think we'll be able to
00:31:49
have to launch reliably and repeatedly
00:31:53
and quite quickly um and the the the
00:31:57
fundamental Holy Grail breakthrough for
00:31:59
rocketry for to what the fundamental
00:32:02
breakthrough that is needed for life to
00:32:04
become multiplanetary is a rapidly
00:32:07
reusable reliable rocket
00:32:11
R for the pirate somehow um throw a
00:32:15
pirate in there um the so with Starship
00:32:21
is the first rocket design
00:32:25
where success is one of the possible out
00:32:28
with full
00:32:29
reusability um so you know for any given
00:32:31
project you have to say this is the
00:32:33
circle to write diagram um has a circle
00:32:37
and is Success the success dot in the
00:32:39
circle um is is success in the set of
00:32:43
possible outcomes that's uh you know
00:32:46
sounds pretty obvious but there are
00:32:47
often projects where that that is
00:32:50
success is not in the set of possible
00:32:52
outcomes um and so so
00:32:55
Starship not only is fully full
00:32:58
reusability in the set of possible
00:32:59
outcomes it it is being proven with each
00:33:01
launch um and and and I'm confident it
00:33:04
will succeed it's simply a matter of
00:33:06
time and you know if if we can get some
00:33:12
improvement in the speed of Regulation
00:33:14
we we could actually move a lot faster
00:33:16
um uh so that would that would be very
00:33:20
helpful and and in fact if if this if
00:33:23
not if something isn't done about um
00:33:26
reducing regul and and sort of speeding
00:33:29
up approvals and to be clear I'm not
00:33:31
talking about anything unsafe it's
00:33:33
simply the processing of the safe thing
00:33:36
can be done at a as as fast as the
00:33:39
rocket is built not slower then uh then
00:33:43
then we could become a space buring
00:33:44
civilization and a multiplet species
00:33:47
ultimate and be out there among the
00:33:48
stars in the future and
00:33:53
there's you know it's it's just very
00:33:55
like it's incredibly important that we
00:33:58
have things that that we find inspiring
00:34:01
that you look to the Future and say the
00:34:04
future is going to be better than the
00:34:05
past things to look forward to and like
00:34:09
like kids are a
00:34:11
good a good way to assess this like what
00:34:13
a kids fired up about and if you can say
00:34:17
you know you you could you know you
00:34:19
could be an Astron on Mars you you could
00:34:21
maybe one day uh go beyond the solar
00:34:24
system um we could make Star Trek
00:34:27
Starfleet Academy real um that is an
00:34:31
exciting future that is
00:34:34
inspiring um you know just I mean you
00:34:37
need things that move your heart right
00:34:40
um
00:34:42
yeah [ __ ] yeah [ __ ] yeah let's do it I
00:34:47
mean it like like life can't just be
00:34:50
about soling one miserable problem after
00:34:52
another there's got to be things that
00:34:53
you look forward to as well yeah uh and
00:34:56
and do do you think you might have to
00:34:58
move it to a different jurisdiction and
00:35:00
to move faster I've always wondered if
00:35:02
like it's rocket technology is
00:35:04
considered an advanced weapons
00:35:05
technology so we can't just go do it you
00:35:07
know in another country yes in it yeah
00:35:10
interesting and if we don't do it other
00:35:11
countries could do it I mean they're so
00:35:14
far behind us but theoretically there's
00:35:16
a national
00:35:18
security you know justification here if
00:35:21
if somebody can put their thinking caps
00:35:23
on like do we want to have this
00:35:24
technology that you're building the
00:35:26
team's working so hard on stolen by
00:35:27
other countries and then you know maybe
00:35:30
they don't have as much red tape I I
00:35:32
wish people were trying to steal it um
00:35:35
so that no no one's trying to steal it
00:35:38
it's just
00:35:39
too this just it's too crazy
00:35:42
basically um and that's for you yeah
00:35:46
it's way too crazy El what do you think
00:35:48
um is going on that led to
00:35:52
boing building the St line the way that
00:35:54
they did they were able to get it up
00:36:00
but not complete but can't complete they
00:36:02
can't finish can't finish and you're
00:36:05
going to have to go up and
00:36:06
finish um
00:36:10
um well I mean I think Boeing is a
00:36:14
company that is you they actually do so
00:36:17
much business with the government they
00:36:18
have sort of impedance matched to the
00:36:20
government so they're they're like
00:36:22
basically one notch away from the
00:36:24
government maybe two they're not far
00:36:26
from the government from an efficiency
00:36:28
standpoint because they derive so much
00:36:29
of the revenue from the government um
00:36:32
and a lot of people think well SpaceX is
00:36:33
super dependent on the government and
00:36:35
actually no most of our revenue is
00:36:36
commercial um
00:36:39
so
00:36:41
um and and and and
00:36:45
there's been I think at least up until
00:36:48
perhaps recently because they have a new
00:36:50
CEO who actually shows up in the factory
00:36:53
yeah um and the the the CEO before that
00:36:55
I think had a degree in accounting and
00:36:57
and never went to the factory and didn't
00:36:59
know how airplanes
00:37:00
flew um so I think if you are in charge
00:37:04
of a company that makes airplanes fly
00:37:08
and a spacecraft go to Orit you need to
00:37:12
know it can't be a total mystery as to
00:37:15
how they work
00:37:18
yeah
00:37:19
so you know I'm like sure if somebody's
00:37:23
like running cocoa Pepsi and and they're
00:37:25
like great at marketing or whatever uh
00:37:27
that's that's fine because you know it's
00:37:31
it's not a sort of Technology dependent
00:37:32
business um you know or if they're
00:37:35
running a you know financial consulting
00:37:38
and their degrees in accounting that
00:37:39
makes sense um but I think uh you know
00:37:43
if you if you're the Cavalry Captain you
00:37:45
should know how to ride a horse pretty
00:37:47
basic yeah
00:37:49
yeah great it's like it's disconcerting
00:37:52
if the Cavalry Captain just falls off
00:37:53
the horse you
00:37:55
know he's scar
00:37:58
team I'm sorry I'm scared of hces gets
00:38:00
on backwards I'm like
00:38:03
oops um sh shifting gears to AI uh Peter
00:38:06
was here earlier and he was talking
00:38:08
about how so far the only company to
00:38:09
really make money off AI is NVIDIA with
00:38:12
the chips um do you have a sense yet of
00:38:15
where you think the big applications
00:38:17
will be from AI is it going to be an
00:38:20
enabling self-driving is it going to be
00:38:21
enabling robots is it transforming
00:38:24
Industries I mean it's still I think
00:38:26
early in terms of where the big business
00:38:29
impact is going to be do you have a
00:38:30
sense
00:38:41
yet I I mean I think I think they that
00:38:45
they the spending on AI probably runs
00:38:48
ahead of I mean does run ahead of the
00:38:50
revenue right now that's there's no
00:38:52
question about that um but the rate of
00:38:56
improvement of AI is faster than any
00:38:58
technology I've ever seen by far
00:39:01
and and and it
00:39:05
it's I mean like the for example the
00:39:08
touring test used to be a thing now you
00:39:12
know your basic uh open source random
00:39:15
llm writing on a freaking Raspberry Pi
00:39:17
probably could uh you know beat the
00:39:20
touring test
00:39:22
um so
00:39:24
there's I I I think actually
00:39:28
like like the the good future of AI is
00:39:32
one of immense Prosperity
00:39:36
where there is an age of abundance no
00:39:40
shortage of goods and
00:39:42
services everyone can have whatever they
00:39:45
want unless except for things we
00:39:47
artificially Define to be scarce like
00:39:49
some special
00:39:50
artwork um but but anything that is a
00:39:53
manufactured good or provided Service uh
00:39:56
will I think with the Adent of AI plus
00:39:59
robotics that the cost of goods and
00:40:02
services will be
00:40:05
will Trend to zero like I'm not saying
00:40:08
it be actually zero but it'll
00:40:10
be it every everyone will be able to
00:40:14
have anything they want uh that that's
00:40:16
the good future of course and you know
00:40:19
in my view that's probably 80% likely so
00:40:21
look on the bright
00:40:23
side only 20% 20% probability of
00:40:26
annihilation nothing
00:40:28
um is is the 20% like what does that
00:40:31
look like I don't know man I mean
00:40:35
frankly I do have to go engage in some
00:40:37
degree of of deliberate suspension of
00:40:38
disbelief with respect to AI in order to
00:40:41
sleep well um and even then um because I
00:40:45
I I I think the actual issue the the
00:40:48
most likely issue is like well how do we
00:40:49
find meaning in a world where AI can do
00:40:51
everything we can do a bit better that
00:40:53
that is that is perhaps the bigger
00:40:55
challenge um
00:40:58
although you know at this point I know
00:41:00
more and more people who are retired and
00:41:01
they seem to enjoy that life
00:41:05
so uh but I think that that may be maybe
00:41:08
there'll be some crisis of meaning like
00:41:10
because the computer can do everything
00:41:12
you can do but better so maybe that'll
00:41:15
be a challenge um but but really uh you
00:41:21
know you need you need the sort of end
00:41:22
factors you need the the autonomous cars
00:41:26
and
00:41:27
you need the sort of humanoid robots or
00:41:29
your general purpose robots um but once
00:41:32
you have general purpose humanoid robots
00:41:36
um and autonomous
00:41:38
vehicles uh you really you you you can
00:41:42
build anything um and and and this I
00:41:46
think that there's no actual limit to
00:41:48
the size of the economy I mean there
00:41:50
obviously you know the mass of Earth you
00:41:52
know like that one limit um but the you
00:41:57
know the economy is is really just the
00:41:59
average productivity per person times
00:42:01
number of people that's the economy and
00:42:04
if you if you've got humanoid robots
00:42:08
that can do you know where there's no
00:42:10
real limit on the number of humanoid
00:42:12
robots um and and they they can operate
00:42:15
very intelligently then then there's no
00:42:18
actual limit to the economy in there's
00:42:20
no meaningful limit to the economy you
00:42:22
guys just turned on Colossus which is
00:42:24
like the largest private cluster I guess
00:42:28
of gpus anywhere is that it's it's the
00:42:31
it's the most powerful supercomputer of
00:42:32
any kind um which sort of speaks to what
00:42:36
David said and kind of what Peter said
00:42:38
which is a lot of the kind of economic
00:42:41
value so far of ai ai is entirely gone
00:42:44
to Nvidia but there are people with
00:42:46
Alternatives and you're actually one
00:42:47
with an alternative now you have a very
00:42:49
specific case because Dojo is really
00:42:50
about images and large images huge
00:42:54
video um yeah I mean the the the Tesla
00:42:57
problem is different from the
00:43:00
um you know the sort of llm problem uh
00:43:03
the nature of the intelligence actually
00:43:05
is actually and
00:43:07
and the what what matters in the AI is
00:43:10
is different um to to the point you just
00:43:13
made which is that in the in tales's
00:43:14
case the context uh length is very long
00:43:18
so we've got gigabytes of context G
00:43:19
context Windows yeah yeah you've got you
00:43:21
know sort of uh we just bringing it up
00:43:25
kind of billions of tokens of context NY
00:43:27
amount of context because you've got um
00:43:30
seven seven cameras and if if you've got
00:43:32
several you know let's say you've got a
00:43:34
minute of several high high def cameras
00:43:37
then that's gigabytes so you need to
00:43:39
compress so the Tesla problem is you got
00:43:41
to compress a gigantic context um into
00:43:45
the the pixels that are that actually
00:43:47
matter um
00:43:50
and you know and and and condense that
00:43:53
over a time so you've got in both uh the
00:43:57
time Dimension the space Dimension
00:43:58
you've got to compress the pixels u in
00:44:01
space and the pixels over in time
00:44:04
um and and and then and then have that
00:44:07
inference done on a tiny computer
00:44:09
relatively speaking a small you know a
00:44:12
few hundred watt uh it's a Tesla
00:44:15
designed AI inference computer uh which
00:44:17
is by still the best there isn't a
00:44:20
better thing we could buy from suppliers
00:44:21
so the Tesla designed AI inference
00:44:24
computer that's in the cars is better
00:44:26
than anything we could buy from any
00:44:27
supplier just by the way that's kind of
00:44:29
a by way the the Tesla ai ai CHP team is
00:44:33
extremely good you guys in the design
00:44:34
there is a technical paper and there was
00:44:36
a deck that somebody on your team from
00:44:38
Tesla published and it was stunning to
00:44:40
me you designed your own transport
00:44:42
control like layer over ethernet you're
00:44:44
like ah ethernet's not good enough for
00:44:46
us you have this TT Coe or something and
00:44:49
you're like oh we're just going to
00:44:50
reinvent ethernet and like string these
00:44:51
chips it's pretty incredible stuff
00:44:53
that's happening over there yeah um no
00:44:56
the team the the Tesla chip design team
00:44:59
is extremely extremely good um so um but
00:45:03
is there a world where for example other
00:45:05
people over time that need you know some
00:45:07
sort of like video use case or image use
00:45:10
case theoretically you know you'd say oh
00:45:12
why not you know I have some extra
00:45:13
Cycles over here so which should kind of
00:45:15
make you a competitor of Nvidia it's not
00:45:17
intentionally per se
00:45:19
but um yeah I mean
00:45:23
the you know this training and inference
00:45:25
and we we do have you know two those two
00:45:27
projects at T we've got Dojo which is
00:45:30
the the training computer uh and then um
00:45:33
you know our inference chip which is in
00:45:37
every every car inference computer um so
00:45:42
and Dojo we've only had Dojo one Dojo 2
00:45:45
is um you know should be we should have
00:45:48
Dojo 2 in volume towards the end of next
00:45:49
year um and and that that that will be
00:45:53
we think sort of comparable to uh the
00:45:58
sort of a b200 typ type system a
00:46:00
training system um and um you know so
00:46:05
there's I guess there's some potential
00:46:06
for for that to be used as a service um
00:46:11
and but like
00:46:14
you Dojo is is just kind of like I mean
00:46:18
we're I guess I guess I have like some
00:46:21
improved confidence in Dojo
00:46:25
um but I think we won't really know how
00:46:28
good Dojo is until probably version
00:46:31
three like usually takes three major
00:46:33
iterations on a technology for it to be
00:46:35
to be excellent um and we'll only have
00:46:38
the second major iteration next year um
00:46:42
the third iteration I don't know maybe
00:46:44
late you know 26 or something like that
00:46:47
how's the uh how's the Optimus project
00:46:49
going I remember when we talked last um
00:46:51
and you said this publicly that it's in
00:46:54
doing some light testing inside the
00:46:56
factory
00:46:57
um so it's actually being useful what's
00:46:59
the build of materials and when you know
00:47:02
for something like that at scale so when
00:47:04
you start making it like you're making
00:47:05
the model three now and there's a
00:47:06
million of them coming off the factory
00:47:08
line what would the would they cost 20
00:47:10
30 $40,000 you think yeah I mean what I
00:47:13
mean I've discovered really that you
00:47:16
know anything made in sufficient volume
00:47:19
will ASM totically approach the cost of
00:47:21
its of its uh
00:47:24
materials so now there's there's I
00:47:26
should say the there's some some things
00:47:28
are constrained by the cost of
00:47:30
intellectual property and like paying
00:47:32
for patents and stuff so a lot of you
00:47:34
know what what's in a a chip is like
00:47:36
paying paying royalties um and
00:47:39
depreciation of the chip faab so but the
00:47:42
actual modal cost of the chips is very
00:47:43
low um so so so Optimus it obviously is
00:47:48
humanoid robot it it is it weighs much
00:47:51
less than it's much smaller than a car
00:47:53
um so the you could expect that in high
00:47:57
volume uh and and i' said you also
00:48:00
probably need three three production
00:48:02
versions of Optimus so you need to
00:48:04
refine the design three at least three
00:48:07
major times and and then you need scale
00:48:10
production
00:48:11
to sort of the million unit plus per
00:48:14
year
00:48:15
level and I think at that point the cost
00:48:20
the the you know the labor materials on
00:48:23
Optimus is probably not much more than
00:48:26
10,000
00:48:27
yeah and that's a decade long journey
00:48:29
maybe basically think of it like Optimus
00:48:31
will cost less than um a a small car
00:48:36
right
00:48:37
so at at scale volume with three major
00:48:41
iterations of technology and and so if a
00:48:43
small car you know costs $225,000 you
00:48:46
know it's it's probably like I don't
00:48:49
know $220,000 for for an Optimus for a
00:48:51
humanoid robot that can be your your
00:48:54
body like a combination of R2D2 and c3p
00:48:57
a bit
00:48:58
better I mean you know that's I honestly
00:49:01
I think people are going to get really
00:49:02
attached to their humanoid robot because
00:49:04
I mean like you look at sort of watch
00:49:06
Star Wars and it's like R2D2 and see3 I
00:49:08
love those guys um you know they're
00:49:11
awesome um and their personality and and
00:49:15
I mean and all all R2 could do is just
00:49:17
beef at you could couldn't speak English
00:49:22
um c3p to translate the beeps you know
00:49:25
so you're in year two of that if you did
00:49:27
two or three years per iteration or
00:49:28
something it's a decade long journey for
00:49:30
this to hit some sort of scale I I would
00:49:33
say m major iterations are less than two
00:49:36
years so okay um it's probably on the
00:49:39
order of five five years yeah
00:49:43
uh maybe six to get to a million units a
00:49:46
year and at that price point everybody
00:49:48
can afford one on planet Earth I mean
00:49:51
it's going to be that one: one two: one
00:49:53
what do you think ultimately if we're
00:49:54
sitting here in 30 years the number of
00:49:57
robotss on the planet versus Humans yeah
00:50:00
I think the number of robots will vastly
00:50:01
exceed the number of humans vastly yeah
00:50:03
vastly exceed I mean you have to say
00:50:04
like who who would not want their robot
00:50:08
buddy everyone wants a robot buddy
00:50:12
um you know this is like it especially
00:50:15
if it can you know you know it can take
00:50:18
care of your your take your dog for a
00:50:21
walk it could you know mo mow the lawn
00:50:24
it could watch your kids uh it could you
00:50:26
know like it could it could teach your
00:50:29
kids it could it could we could also
00:50:31
send it to Mars we could send a lot of
00:50:33
robots to Mars to do the work needed to
00:50:36
yeah make it a colonized planet for you
00:50:38
Mars is already the robot Planet there's
00:50:39
like a whole bunch of you know robots
00:50:41
like Rovers and Rob helicopter yes only
00:50:44
robots um so yeah the no I I think the
00:50:49
the sort of useful humanoid
00:50:52
robot opportunity is the single biggest
00:50:55
opportunity
00:50:58
ever
00:51:01
um because if you assume like that I
00:51:04
mean the I think the ratio of humanoid
00:51:06
robots to humans is going to be at least
00:51:07
2 to one maybe 3 to one because
00:51:10
everybody every everybody will want one
00:51:11
and then there'll be a bunch of robots
00:51:13
that you don't see that are making goods
00:51:14
and services and you think it's a
00:51:15
general one generalized robot that then
00:51:18
learns how to do different tasks or yeah
00:51:21
hey um I mean we are a
00:51:23
generalized yeah we're a generalized
00:51:25
robot we're just made of meat you know
00:51:28
uh we're a meat General meat yeah I mean
00:51:31
operating my meat puppet you know um so
00:51:34
um yeah we are
00:51:36
actually and by the way it turns out
00:51:38
like as we're designing Optimus we sort
00:51:41
of learn more and more about why humans
00:51:43
are shaped the way they're shaped and
00:51:46
you know and why we have five fingers
00:51:48
and why your little finger is smaller
00:51:50
than you know your index finger uh you
00:51:53
know you know obviously why you have
00:51:55
opposable thumbs but also why for
00:51:57
example your the muscles the major
00:52:00
muscles that operate your hand are
00:52:02
actually in your forearm and and your
00:52:05
fingers are primarily operated like um
00:52:09
your the muscles that actuate your
00:52:12
fingers um are located the vast majority
00:52:15
of the of your finger strength is
00:52:17
actually coming from your
00:52:18
forearm um and your fingers are being
00:52:20
operated by tendons little
00:52:22
strings that that's and so the current
00:52:26
current version of the Optimus hand uh
00:52:29
has the actuators in the hand and has
00:52:32
only 11 degrees of freedom so it can't
00:52:33
it's not as doesn't have all the degrees
00:52:35
of freedom of human hand which has
00:52:38
depending on how you count it roughly 25
00:52:40
degrees of freedom um and
00:52:44
uh and and and and it's also like not
00:52:47
strong enough in certain ways because
00:52:49
the actuators have to fit in the hand um
00:52:52
so the Next Generation Optimus hand uh
00:52:54
which we have in Prototype form
00:52:57
uh the the actuators have moved to the
00:52:59
forearm just like a human and they
00:53:01
operate the the fingers through cables
00:53:03
just like a human hand and uh and then
00:53:07
the next Generation had has 22 degrees
00:53:09
of
00:53:09
freedom um which we think
00:53:12
is enough to do almost anything that a
00:53:15
human can do
00:53:18
um and presumably I think it was written
00:53:21
that X and Tesla may work together and
00:53:25
you know provide services but my
00:53:27
immedate thought went to oh if you just
00:53:28
provide a grock to the robot then the
00:53:30
robot has a personality and can process
00:53:32
oh yeah voice and video and images and
00:53:34
all of that stuff as the uh as we wrap
00:53:36
here U I think uh you know everybody
00:53:40
talks about all the projects you're
00:53:42
working on but um people don't know you
00:53:44
have a great sense of humor that's not
00:53:46
true oh you do you do um people don't
00:53:49
see it but I would say one of I know for
00:53:51
me the funniest week of my life or one
00:53:53
of the funniest was when you did SNL and
00:53:55
we got and you you I got to tag along
00:53:58
maybe you saw it um maybe behind the
00:54:02
scenes like some of your funniest
00:54:05
Recollections of that chaotic insane
00:54:08
week when we laughed for 12 hours a day
00:54:11
it was a little terrorizing on the first
00:54:12
couple of days but yeah I was I was bit
00:54:15
worried the beginning there because
00:54:17
frankly nothing was funny um day one was
00:54:21
rough rough um yeah so I mean
00:54:27
it's like a rule but can't you guys just
00:54:28
say it just say the stuff that got on
00:54:30
the cutting some the funniest skits were
00:54:34
the ones that didn't let you do that's
00:54:35
what I'm saying can you just say there
00:54:36
were a couple of funny ones yeah that
00:54:37
they didn't let you you can say it so
00:54:38
that he doesn't get I mean how much time
00:54:40
do we have here well we should just give
00:54:42
one or two because it
00:54:44
was in your mind which one do we regret
00:54:47
most not getting on
00:54:50
air you really want to hear that I I
00:54:54
mean I mean it was a little I see it was
00:54:57
a little
00:54:59
funny
00:55:01
okay here we go all right here we go
00:55:06
guys all right so one of the things that
00:55:11
um I think everyone's been sort of
00:55:12
wondering this whole time is is Saturday
00:55:14
night Saturday Night Live actually live
00:55:18
like live live live live or do they have
00:55:21
like a delay or like just in case you
00:55:24
know there's a wardrobe malfunction or
00:55:26
something like that uh is it like a you
00:55:29
knowu 5sec delay what's really going on
00:55:33
but there's a there's a way to test this
00:55:35
right we came out the way there's a way
00:55:37
to test this um which is we don't tell
00:55:40
them what's going on as I I W on and
00:55:43
says this is the script I throw it on
00:55:45
the ground we're going to find out
00:55:48
tonight right now it's Saturday if sat
00:55:50
night life is actually
00:55:53
live and the way that we're going to do
00:55:56
this is I'm going to take my [ __ ]
00:56:01
[Applause]
00:56:04
out this is the greatest pitch ever and
00:56:07
and if if if if you see my
00:56:12
[ __ ] you know it's
00:56:15
true and if you don't it's been a lie
00:56:18
it's been a lie all these years all
00:56:20
these years now this is we're going to
00:56:22
bust them right now and this we're
00:56:24
pitching this yeah yeah so ping this on
00:56:27
Zoom yeah ping this on zoom on like a
00:56:29
Monday after like yeah we're like kind
00:56:31
of hung over from the weekend and like
00:56:32
Ping thisi and and and it's h it's you
00:56:36
know Jason's on um and uh Mike and you
00:56:40
yeah and Mike uh you know got like you
00:56:43
know who my friends who I think are sort
00:56:44
of you know quite funny um you know uh
00:56:48
Jason's quite funny I think like like
00:56:51
Jason's the closest thing to Cartman
00:56:52
that exists in the real in real life
00:56:56
we have a joke that he's Butters and I'm
00:56:58
Cartman yeah so um and then my friend
00:57:04
Mike's Prett funny too so so we we come
00:57:07
in like like just like guns blazing guns
00:57:10
blazing with with like ideas and we
00:57:12
didn't realize like actually you know
00:57:14
that's not how it works and and and uh
00:57:16
that that it's normally like actors and
00:57:18
and they just get told what to do and
00:57:20
like oh right well you mean we can't
00:57:21
just like do funny things that we
00:57:24
thought of what there watching this and
00:57:27
on the zoom they're a
00:57:29
gas pitch yeah it's silence like so I'm
00:57:32
like and I'm like and I was like is this
00:57:34
thing working is this are we muted is is
00:57:36
our mic on they're like we hear you yeah
00:57:39
and then and then after a long silence
00:57:41
like Mike's Mike just says the word
00:57:43
crickets crickets and they're not
00:57:45
laughing they're going to not even going
00:57:47
to chugle like what's going on and then
00:57:49
Elon explains the punchline yes which is
00:57:51
exactly so there's more to it okay yes
00:57:58
that's just the
00:57:59
beginning so Elon says so so then I'm so
00:58:02
I'm like so so so so I said like I'm I'm
00:58:06
I'm going to I'm going to reach
00:58:07
[Laughter]
00:58:10
down into my pet into my pants and and I
00:58:13
stick my hand on my pants and I'm going
00:58:15
and I'm and I'm going to pull my co and
00:58:16
I tell this to the audience and the
00:58:17
audience is going to be like
00:58:19
go right and and and and and then and
00:58:24
and then and then and then I pull out a
00:58:27
a a baby
00:58:29
rooster you know yes and it's like okay
00:58:32
this is kind of PG you know it's like
00:58:34
that not that bad it's like it's this is
00:58:37
my tiny [ __ ]
00:58:39
and
00:58:42
and and it's like what do you think uh
00:58:46
and so then and do you think it's an ice
00:58:48
coock I mean I like it I pitch I'm like
00:58:51
and then Kate McKennon walks out yeah
00:58:53
exactly and I'm like oh no but you
00:58:54
haven't heard half of it Kate mcken
00:58:56
comes out yeah and she says Elon
00:58:59
expected you would have a bigger [ __ ]
00:59:02
yeah I like I I don't mean to disappoint
00:59:05
you Kate but yeah um but I I I hope you
00:59:07
like it anyway
00:59:09
um but Kate's got to come out with with
00:59:12
with her cat okay right uh so and Kate
00:59:16
says you see where you can see where
00:59:17
this is going and I say nice wow that's
00:59:20
that's a that's a that's a nice [ __ ]
00:59:22
you've got there
00:59:24
Kate wow that's amazing um it looks a
00:59:28
little wet was it raining
00:59:31
outside and then
00:59:34
um do you mind if I stroke your [ __ ] is
00:59:36
that cool it's like oh no Elon actually
00:59:40
can I hold your [ __ ] of course of course
00:59:43
Kate you definely hold my [ __ ] um and
00:59:46
and then you know we exchang and I think
00:59:48
just the audio version of this is pretty
00:59:49
good right um and and and um you know so
00:59:54
it's like wow you I really like um
00:59:56
stroking your [ __ ] and I was like
01:00:01
I and then you say I'm really enjoying
01:00:04
strug at your [ __ ] yes of course and um
01:00:08
yeah so you know they're looking at us
01:00:11
like oh my god what have we done
01:00:13
inviting these lunatics on the
01:00:16
program yeah they said they said like
01:00:19
well um it is uh it is Mother's
01:00:23
Day it's Mother's Day we might not want
01:00:26
to go with this one the mom's in the
01:00:28
audience and I'm like well that's a good
01:00:30
point well fair fair it might be a bit
01:00:32
uncomfortable for all the moms in the
01:00:34
audience maybe I don't know I don't know
01:00:35
maybe they'll dig it maybe they like it
01:00:37
uh so yeah that
01:00:40
was that's the um that's the that's the
01:00:44
that's the um cold open that didn't make
01:00:47
it we didn't get that on the air um but
01:00:51
uh we did fight for Doge yes and we got
01:00:54
Doge on the air Ian there's a bunch of
01:00:56
things that I said that were just not on
01:00:57
the script like they have these like Q
01:00:59
cards for what you're supposed to say
01:01:00
and I just didn't say it I just went off
01:01:01
off the rails yeah they didn't see that
01:01:04
coming yeah it's live well it's
01:01:09
live and uh so the Elon wanted to do
01:01:13
Doge this is the other one and he wanted
01:01:15
to do Doge on late night and he says um
01:01:18
Hey Jake Al can you um make sure oh yeah
01:01:20
so I want yeah I wanted to do the Doge
01:01:21
father like you sort of redo the you
01:01:23
know that scene from uh the the to
01:01:26
Godfather I mean you kind of need the
01:01:27
music to cue things
01:01:31
up you bring me on my daughter's
01:01:35
wedding listen you ask for Doge yeah you
01:01:37
got R and I give you Bitcoin but you
01:01:40
want do exactly you really got to set
01:01:42
the mood you have to have tuxedo
01:01:45
andice you got to have like
01:01:51
Mar you come to me on this day of my
01:01:55
Do's wedding
01:01:57
and you ask me for your private
01:02:02
keys are you even a friend you'll call
01:02:05
me the Dodge
01:02:08
father so b
01:02:10
b know so that has potential they had
01:02:14
great potential so they come to me and
01:02:16
I'm I'm talking to Colin um and Jo who's
01:02:20
got a great sense of humor and he's
01:02:21
amazing he loves Elon and he's like we
01:02:23
can't do it because of the law and stuff
01:02:25
like that and
01:02:26
the law and liability so I said it's
01:02:29
okay Elon called Comcast and he put in
01:02:33
an offer and they just accepted it we
01:02:36
just bought NBC so it's fine yeah and
01:02:41
Colin Joe looks at me I sold this so
01:02:43
good and he's like you're you're serious
01:02:46
I'm like yep we own NBC now yeah and
01:02:51
he's like okay well that kind of changes
01:02:53
things doesn't it I'm like absolutely
01:02:55
where're a go on on Doge yeah and then
01:02:57
he's like you're [ __ ] with me and I'm
01:02:59
I'm [ __ ] with
01:03:00
you or are we or are
01:03:03
we it was the greatest week of and that
01:03:07
like is like two of 10 stories yeah we
01:03:10
got yeah we got we'll save the other
01:03:11
eight yeah but it was and I was just so
01:03:14
happy for you to see you have a great
01:03:18
week of just joy and fun and letting go
01:03:20
cuz you were launching Rockets you're
01:03:22
dealing with so much [ __ ] in your
01:03:23
life to have those moments yeah to share
01:03:26
them and just laugh um it was just so
01:03:28
great and more of those moments I think
01:03:30
we got to we got to get you back on SNL
01:03:33
who wants them back on SNL one more time
01:03:35
all right ladies and gentlemen our
01:03:37
bestie Elon Musk
01:03:39
[Applause]
01:03:42
[Laughter]
01:03:42
[Applause]
