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Are Major Changes Coming to Donald Trump's Campaign? | Pivot

August 13, 2024 / 22:52

This episode features an interview with Anthony Scaramucci, former White House communications director under Donald Trump, discussing Trump's current political state, his campaign strategies, and the dynamics within the Republican Party.

Scaramucci describes Trump as being in a "rolling meltdown," emphasizing the challenges he faces with his campaign and the changing demographics of voters. He mentions key figures like Mike Pompeo and Mitch McConnell, who, despite their disdain for Trump, continue to support him for political reasons.

The conversation touches on Trump's temper tantrums and his reliance on outdated strategies from his 2016 campaign. Scaramucci highlights the internal conflicts within Trump's team, particularly regarding Project 2025 and the loyalty of his supporters.

Scaramucci also discusses Trump's fear of jail and how it may influence his decision to remain in the race. He believes Trump still sees a path to victory but is struggling with the realities of his situation.

Finally, Scaramucci offers advice for both Trump and Kamala Harris regarding their upcoming debates, stressing the importance of staying disciplined and focused on issues rather than personal attacks.

TL;DR

Anthony Scaramucci discusses Trump's political meltdown, campaign challenges, and internal conflicts within the Republican Party.

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we are going to get to where Trump's
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mine is now with an interview with
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Anthony scaramucci who is the White
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House communications director under
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Donald Trump and is the founder of
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managing partner of skybridge capital
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welcome Anthony how you doing I'm doing
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well how are you you know let me just
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say I'm gonna let medy start because he
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requested you so I I I I want him to
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start on this we're obviously going to
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talk about where Donald Trump's head is
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at so uh medie take it away Anthony good
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to see you I thought you'd be a great
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person to talk to this week after Donald
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Trump's rambling pre press conference
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insane dishonest press conference after
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his uh AI accusations against Carla
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Harris's rally crowds I know you've been
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asked this many times before over the
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years but let me ask it again is Donald
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Trump in the middle of a meltdown uh
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well I mean he's he's in a rolling
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meltdown on most days and most times so
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yes he's in the middle of a meltdown but
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it's not unusual for him to be in a
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meltdown but you know Cara brought
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something up she said you know medy
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requested you I think medy I would like
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to think this respects my Evolution and
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my honesty you know I was on the wrong
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side of this I had to look at it very
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crystally clear I had to own the fact
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that I was on the wrong side of it and
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then I had to actually explain what
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happened and so you have guys like Mike
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Pompeo you have guys like McConnell
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Kevin McCarthy uh you know from your
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journalistic reporting these guys
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absolutely cannot stand Donald Trump uh
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but they're still supporting him due to
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moral cowardice and political expediency
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um I've had Senators I've had one
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Senator hand me and he promised me not
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to use his name so I won't use it but he
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handed me a book that's snakes in suits
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he says read this I've read this this is
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how I deal with Donald Trump okay snakes
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and Suits so so medy I tried to be very
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honest about this I love my country I
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don't agree with a lot of the policies
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that are coming out of the Democrats
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kosis the crypto policies I don't agree
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with but I love my country okay and and
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the
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democracy and the civil ization and the
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Order of Things the predictability of
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our
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Judiciary the lack of a project 2025
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which is a hegemonic control by a group
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of anarco Christians okay I don't want
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that for my country and so here we are
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but yes so he's in a rolling thing can I
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give you some insight because I've
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talked to some people inside the
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campaign please um he's in a
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full-on uh temper tantrum over what is
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going on uh his his tried and true
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Rubik's Cube uh Cara you're a nasty girl
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Cara you're a nasty girl okay it's not
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it's not it's not working you see what I
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mean and he's trying it it's a 2016
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Playbook oh I'm running against a woman
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so let me get the Rubik's Cube to look
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like the following things here comes the
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word salad out of my mouth and it's
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going to work but what he's missing guys
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is that the demographics of the voting
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constituency has moved and so they don't
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like it okay if you're going to tell me
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that the presidential candidate for the
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Democrats turned black and I'm that's
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not my words and I again I literally
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almost apologize on your podcast for
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using these words but they're not my
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words this is the words of the
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Republican Presidential nominee turn
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black I'm sorry most normal people don't
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like that but I can tell you who really
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doesn't like that are younger people do
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not like why is he doing it so he's flx
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is he not is he does he does he have no
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other move
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because everyone has and he's a very
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talented political figure in yeah so
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that's that's exactly right so he's now
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in a bunker he's now doing what he does
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he's on his phone he's calling supposed
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friends he's calling
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allies um I'll tell you who's not
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helping him right now is Steve Bannon
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but would be helping him because uh Cara
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and medy you know how smart Steve is
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he's a malevolent MF but we all three of
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us know how smart he is he'd be on the
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phone with Steve right now Steve is a
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super smart guy and Steve would be like
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okay here's what you need to do here's
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how you have to do it here's what you
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need to say and here's how we're going
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to make this go from here and Trump
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would be recalibrating but he hasn't
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found the St so that's an issue yes yes
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exactly st's in prison till November 1st
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okay and that's tough because you only
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have four days to talk to the trumpster
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but he's yeah I'm surprised we haven't
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come up with the trumpster dumpster you
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know the trumpster dumpster because
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that's what's going on right now go
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ahead seen that but but he's got he's
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got Anthony he's got the political
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genius that is Don Jr advising him from
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the sidelines giving him J so so so okay
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so you guys know this he is furious over
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this and he is absolutely Furious over
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this uh he made that decision and I
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don't care if you're super human or you
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think he's super human he's not a bullet
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whiz by his head he was this close to
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death and he was traumatized by that and
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you we can pretend that it's a video
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game but guys it's not a video game he
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made the decision he he made the
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decision to pick JD Vance in the 72
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hours over almost he was almost killed
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now what happened in those 72 hours his
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poll number shot up his Victorious EO
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gima picture with the flag behind him
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and the blood on his ear and so he's
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like okay it's not going to matter I'm
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going to pick
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whoever and and then the narcissism also
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Creeps in okay so I can't pick Nikki
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Haley first of all she said mean things
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about me and I don't like that and
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secondarily people will say she helped
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me win the race so I can't pick her I
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have to win this race 100% on my own all
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attention on me I can't pick Marco Rubio
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Little Marco because he said mean things
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about my hands and I don't like that
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okay JD Vance he said me things about me
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a few years ago but there's nothing that
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Trump likes more than a
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conversion okay okay there's nothing he
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hates more than a guy like me I've seen
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the evil I'm speaking to to the evil JD
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Vance is like I've seen the evil but I'm
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a politically
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motivated super ambitious son of a
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and I'm going with the evil see Trump
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loves that because that that that Trump
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knows they have no moral anchor so he
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can do anything he wants with them you
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say he's Furious you posted a few days
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ago on exit you believe Trump's recent
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Behavior means changes are coming to
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campaign what do changes mean from your
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perspective because you know he wants to
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fire lasita he doesn't want to fire
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Susie WS he's blaming lasita for a lot
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of this stuff Chris good guy I know him
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forever Chris a good job getting him
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until recently they they have he's been
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disciplined he's been on message but let
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me explain to you why he wants to fire
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these guys okay I put 85 let's think
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like Donald Trump for a second I put 85
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of my super loyalists my maggots my
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mags's into project
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2025 I then took the president of the
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Heritage Foundation around on the plane
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with me I told him yeah make up a great
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plan for me to take over America
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liquidate the Judiciary branch and the
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legislative branch I really want an
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oligarchic America you have to really
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understand this this is why those
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billionaire Bros are with them they want
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an oligarchy they see how the oligarchs
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have flourished in other dictatorships
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and it's cleaner it's neater they can
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get more things done for their
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businesses they have less restrictions
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less checks and balances they want this
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sure they don't want the messiness of
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the democ Peter te has said publicly
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that the democracy is probably obsolete
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right you heard him say it he said it
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ago what he going to do with these
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people so so so so now he has a civil
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war going on okay the 85 people he
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jettisoned and said I hate project
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2025 they're like well wait a minute you
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you told us to go over there so this is
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like in The Sopranos where they R ran
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over the guy's head in the gas station
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okay and now they're sitting there
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saying okay now what do we want to do
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and he says well Jesus Christ those are
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my friends why did you make me run them
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over and so he's blaming it on Lavita
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you see what's going on so now he's on
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the phone he's calling around to people
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not the two of you because you hate them
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and not me because I hate them hello
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what should I do what should I do and he
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hasn't found the right word salad so
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he's off the campaign Trail he doesn't
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want to go on the campaign Trail where
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she's got 10,000 people and he has 3,000
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people and he's got the wrong word salad
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and that's what's going on right now so
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and I know this son of a so well
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okay I have the I have the decoder ring
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so on on laev obviously you're friends
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with him I'm not I wouldn't describe
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anyone who works for Donald Trump as a
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good person that's just me I know you
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said he's a good guy the guy's running
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like a swift booat operation against
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Waltz he ran the original Swift booat
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against John Kerry uh but on the
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staffing issues just putting lasita to
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one side explain to us Anthony you
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mentioned that the project 2025 people
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got thrown under the bus how are there
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still people who saw what happened to
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you and so what happened to everyone so
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what happened to all these people Nikki
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Haley and still think wow he'll be loyal
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to to me he'll stick with me and then
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they then they're like oh wow he screwed
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me over how are there still people who
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are shocked at being screwed over by
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Donald J Trump I don't even think
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they're shocked anymore I think they
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want power I think I think I think this
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is about power this is like okay you
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know what this son of a is going
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to blow me up but uh is he going to blow
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me up now is it we're going to measure
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it in scaramucci's 11-day units like
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scaramucci or is he going to blow me up
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in 200 scaramucci but in the 200
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scaramucci I'm going to get a lot done
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he's a vehicle for these white Christian
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aarco and these oligarchs get him in
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power he's not that ideological we'll
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impose our ideology on everybody else
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we'll see if we can do so much damage to
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the system that no one the system will
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be in shambles and so uh maybe this will
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be our last election it's a vehicle he's
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hinted at that hasn't he you know just
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vote for me this time you won't ever
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have to vote again you heard him say
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that right right yes we did but you you
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predicted a couple weeks ago that he
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might leave the race do you still
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believe that's an actual possibility so
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it's not just me saying that there are
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other people saying that that really
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know him he does not want to go to jail
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okay the three things that are going on
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in his head I love money how can I get
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do more deals when I'm president number
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two uh I love attention I want to be on
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the top page of the of the broadsheet
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newspapers number three I really don't
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want to go to jail under any
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circumstances I'm a frightened child
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which is why I'm expressing it with
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orange war paint on and all this hyper
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masculinity so if he sees himself
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potentially going to jail he could say
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okay get me out of the race put haly at
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the top of the ticket or DeSantis
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DeSantis Vance haly Vance or maybe even
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Vance goes and it's haly DeSantis let
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them take on uh Kamala okay he may even
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go to Biden okay and say hey I'll come
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out of the race but I need a pardon and
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I need you to call Kathy hok okay and
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get me a pardon there now he blew self
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up with Brian Kemp but I guarantee you
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Brian Kemp would give him a pardon in
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Georgia guaranteed wow that's a lot of
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activity this is kind of so in 90 days
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he's going to get pardons from everyone
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and get out of the race and they're
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gonna have I think they okay you guys
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can you guys can think otherwise but I'm
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just telling you what I know and I know
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what he's like and and and and and you
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know you know many how do I get out of
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this Jam is what you're saying how can I
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do you know how many times in nine years
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I've said can you believe he's doing
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this and now he's saying that the Crowds
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Are AI generated for camela Harris that
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this is hard to believe it's no longer
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hard to believe there's no surprises
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anymore anony as long as he thinks he
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can win does he think he can win I do
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but as long as as long as he thinks he
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can win and as I said to Cara earlier in
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the show like he can win right it's a
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50-50 election anyone who thinks he
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can't win is absurd either of them could
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win at this point as long as he thinks
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he could win there's no reason for him
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to step aside he wants power as you say
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he wants that attention and he's got a
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very good chance of getting it in 90
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days so again you guys are not going to
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believe me but I talked to a lot of
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insiders in the the campaign he's less
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interested in the power he's more
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interested in the retribution okay so he
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will go play golf he will hand the
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government over to the project 2025
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people Tariq Havoc he has an enemies
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list is 350 people I'm on it I'm just
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disappointed I'm not ranked higher okay
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I had dinner with esper and I had dinner
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with Millie a few weeks ago they're like
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three and seven on the list and uh yeah
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it's it's Liz Cheney Mike Pence you go
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down the list I'm like 48th I'm like
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guys what am I not what am I not doing
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all right you really should be in the
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top 10 but you think he could win bet
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he's is a point he still has a very good
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chance of winning he has a chance to win
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but he's rolling off of a
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waterfall you've got Pluff on the
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campaign you've got Obama camela Harris
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I've said this on my podcast I've said
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this said it right K I apologize I'm
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from New York all right I'm not I don't
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mean any disrespect by saying it the way
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I say it let me phrase it Comm La Harris
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okay I'm not saying it with any remember
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it comma LA but go ahead okay I will
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remember she's my speech therapist see
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if I had her in second grade I would
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have been people would have thought it
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was a lot if we all had call Mad need to
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go medy if I only had her in second
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grade right I mean you know moony answer
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the question this accent cost me a lot
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of money in my life I just want you to
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know that but let me just say this to
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you okay if if if if she stays on
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message message which I believe she will
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and they build her help with her help
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build her the Coalition which I believe
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they're going to do okay and here's what
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he here's what he should do call her
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nasty call her stupid okay keep doing
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that you'll have women lining up and
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they'll stay online for 15 hours they
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won't need any water they'll stay online
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for 15 so see look I'm going to take
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your reproductive freedoms away she's
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nasty and she's stupid keep saying that
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okay and you will see him lose by 11
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points okay and and I believe that I
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don't think he's going to lose by sadly
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I don't think any Republicans ever going
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to lose by 11
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points the Electoral College vote will
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be closer but he'll he'll lose can can I
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ask a question about Trump himself
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that's that's really bothering me right
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now which is again we've done the walls
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closing in losing his mind he's in you
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know meltdown for eight nine years now
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but at this point where he is age you
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know he's an old guy he's the oldest man
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to ever run for president now that Joe
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Biden step aside do you think we should
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have more conversation you mentioned the
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senator who gave you a book about him
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being a a sociopath I remember John
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Kelly reportedly went out and bought um
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the book about by a bunch of
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psychiatrist saying he was a danger to
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the Constitution the case against uh
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Donald Trump and Kelly brought that you
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know people around him who know him best
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they know he's got mental health issues
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right so why aren't we talking about
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that more as a media as a political
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debate uh and do you think that's going
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to hurt him now because I was saying to
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Cara earlier now that Caris the race all
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of that Biden is old Biden has got
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dementia does that all just transfer to
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him a lot of it does and they're
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obviously working on that but here's
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what he here's what he has okay there is
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no Nancy Pelosi in the Republican party
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if there was a Nancy Pelosi in the
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Republican Party hey man you got to go
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okay we're going to lose this race with
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you and you got to go and if you don't
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go this is what we're going to do to you
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okay and they are so afraid of okay and
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the the the biggest Freddy of all time
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in American history that I'm aware of
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and I know him personally Kevin McCarthy
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Kevin McCarthy could have put him right
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to the ropes on the 7th of January
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2021 and he would have been the most
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popular figure in the Republican but
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he'd probably be running for president
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right now he'd probably be the nominee
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but he's a baby and he's a Fredy cat and
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he has the spine of a jellyfish and he
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quivered uh at Donald Trump okay so he's
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the weakest person I've met in politics
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but the other guys are a bunch of babies
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so they won't do by the way they won't
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anything but let me tell you if they did
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if they did it would be a close race if
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you if you swapped him out for Hy or S
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right now be a close race 100% so last
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100% Nikki Haley was always my biggest
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um last two questions if he does want to
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win what should he do at the debate this
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you've been a proponent of them having
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the debate um as course I always said he
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was going to have it there's one
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schedule possibly more on the way um
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what does he need to do if he actually
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wants to win okay he needs to do
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something he's almost incapable of doing
00:16:28
I hope you guys guys like my t-shirt
00:16:29
this is from Bad News Bears remember
00:16:31
Chico be Delon okay okay so what he
00:16:34
needs to do which he's not going to do
00:16:36
okay because he's not he doesn't like
00:16:38
doing it he needs to shut up and he
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needs to make this an issues-based
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campaign and he needs to go out there
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and he needs to say these are the issues
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this is where I am this is where she is
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now the reason he's not going to do that
00:16:54
is he's one inch deep on the issues he's
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not even a foot deep okay on the issues
00:17:00
yeah so he can't really do that he can
00:17:02
say they're pouring over the Border you
00:17:04
know all the syntax that he uses they're
00:17:06
they're doing this they're doing that
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the rapist Alexa well he thought the
00:17:10
Asylum thing was like an insane asylum
00:17:12
he didn't realize it was political
00:17:14
Asylum so that's him right and but but
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let me tell you he's really good at it
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he is the Frank
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Sinatra of elocution you say what the
00:17:23
hell do I mean by that study Frank the
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way Frank sung Frank would pause at
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certain places where
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the the average singer wouldn't Trump
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copied that from Frank Sinatra okay he
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won't eat before a uh uh he gets to a
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microphone why he told me Frank Sinatra
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told him never eat before you get before
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in microphone okay okay he studied all
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of these things okay and so he's in a
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loop he's in a word salad Loop that's
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not working with this demography he
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needs to find somebody way smarter than
00:17:53
him to say okay stop doing that I know
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you're not going to focus on the
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policies but let's focus on the
00:18:01
aspirational hope of America that you're
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going to provide why can't sus get him
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to do this why can't she uh she can't
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get him to do this because he h he's
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still making the mental adjustment that
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he's not running against an 81y old
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fossil see he's he's now running against
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a 60-year-old very capable person and I
00:18:25
hope you guys don't mind me saying this
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on your podcast and if you do you can
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cut but when he says that she's dumb
00:18:32
that's as close as he can get to the
00:18:35
nword without saying the n word I'm
00:18:37
sorry to say it this way but it's a
00:18:39
racist Trope okay this woman Dei presid
00:18:42
yes this woman is a prosecutor this
00:18:45
woman won the Attorney General's race
00:18:47
this woman won the Senate this woman was
00:18:49
elected vice president this is an
00:18:51
extremely capable extremely competent
00:18:54
person and when he's doing that you
00:18:57
think Susie w
00:18:59
is not saying Caris swier you think
00:19:01
Susie WS is not saying Mr President
00:19:05
please stop doing that you can't do that
00:19:07
because that's a code word yeah and you
00:19:10
you've got the world on fire doing that
00:19:12
yeah so he has okay last question for me
00:19:14
question is are we going back to 1947
00:19:17
before Jackie Robinson took the field or
00:19:20
are we living in 2024 now I believe
00:19:23
we're in 2024 right Trump wants to take
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you back to
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1947 okay and and and I don't know if
00:19:30
he's capable of making the adjustment
00:19:32
Med and Carol I don't know if he is I
00:19:34
know he wants to I know he wants to but
00:19:36
he doesn't have somebody he doesn't have
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a shaman he doesn't have a Siro de BC
00:19:42
whispering in his oh well um so last
00:19:45
question very quickly uh and Med may
00:19:48
have a very quick one because we only
00:19:49
have two minutes but um JD rants give me
00:19:52
an assessment very briefly grade few
00:19:55
words uh well he did better over the
00:19:57
weekend of was just being objective he
00:19:59
did better over the weekend but he's an
00:20:01
unmitigated well you guys don't think he
00:20:03
did I'm talking about the conservatives
00:20:05
okay all right okay hey wait a minute
00:20:06
wait a minute there's two there's two
00:20:07
countries there's two sides of the brain
00:20:09
in this country the conservatives he did
00:20:11
he did better with the conservatives
00:20:12
over the weekend you could like him or
00:20:13
dislike him I think he's an unmitigated
00:20:15
disaster and I think he's a net negative
00:20:18
for Trump and when he picked them I was
00:20:20
literally laughing out loud I call him
00:20:22
just do Vance JD Vance okay so he's an
00:20:25
unmitigated disaster for Trump and Trump
00:20:28
is so pissed right now and he's he's
00:20:31
yelling at all of the people that pushed
00:20:34
him on this guy and he wants to fire him
00:20:38
like tonight but he's afraid to fire him
00:20:40
so he probably won't get fired but if he
00:20:43
does get fired here's the my prediction
00:20:45
right he will get fired the day after
00:20:47
the Democratic National Convention now
00:20:50
why is that he has to Bigfoot them from
00:20:52
immedia attention and so he's going to
00:20:55
let that go and let me tell you
00:20:57
something if he pulls in Nikki Haley
00:21:00
which is possible be at much tighter
00:21:02
race what's your advice to KLA Harris
00:21:04
for a debate what would you tell her to
00:21:06
do to really get under his skin Don't
00:21:08
Take debate do watch the first Joe Biden
00:21:11
debate with Donald Trump and do not take
00:21:14
the bait and if he's rambling let him go
00:21:17
because it'll show the insanity of the
00:21:18
Moralo press conference and if the Madam
00:21:21
vice president is listening go do a few
00:21:24
interviews now now is time you have to
00:21:26
go do a few interviews you can't wait
00:21:27
till after the convention
00:21:29
do I understand why you didn't do
00:21:30
interview you need to get acclimated to
00:21:32
the new Spotlight totally respect that
00:21:35
but it's now time to do a few interviews
00:21:37
and practice get a son of a to
00:21:40
stand at the podium okay that's very
00:21:43
white and 6'3 and berate you and don't
00:21:48
take the bait study what Joe Biden did
00:21:51
in debate 1 2020 all right I agree with
00:21:53
you I agree with you I have to say she
00:21:54
didn't take the bait when he did the
00:21:55
black thing she said she just ignored
00:21:57
him when he he said she was turned I
00:21:59
think she's I I think she said this car
00:22:02
I actually said this to you once I've
00:22:04
said it on my podcast she is so
00:22:07
underrated okay and what politicians
00:22:10
benefit from are low
00:22:12
expectations right and so all she has to
00:22:14
do is stay on discipline and message and
00:22:16
can I tell a quick camel Harris story
00:22:18
before we go very quick yes go ahead
00:22:20
okay so I'm with her and Doug mhof in
00:22:22
Israel we're on a bipartisan trip to
00:22:24
Israel it's July of 2018 having a very
00:22:27
good time the official photographer
00:22:29
comes over and says Senator Harris yes
00:22:32
would you like to take a picture with
00:22:34
the mooch she goes what are you kidding
00:22:35
me I don't want to do that I'm not
00:22:37
ruining my political career I was like
00:22:38
literally I'm looking at her like okay I
00:22:40
said that's good judgment on your part
00:22:43
I'm just letting you guys know if she
00:22:44
took that picture she wouldn't be in the
00:22:45
position she's in right now

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Episode Highlights

  • JD Vance's Performance Assessment
    JD Vance is viewed as an unmitigated disaster for Trump, causing frustration among conservatives.
    “He's an unmitigated disaster for Trump.”
    @ 20m 13s
    August 13, 2024
  • Kamala Harris's Underrated Status
    Kamala Harris is considered underrated, benefiting from low expectations in politics.
    “She is so underrated.”
    @ 22m 07s
    August 13, 2024
  • A Cautionary Photo Decision
    Kamala Harris wisely declines a photo opportunity that could have jeopardized her career.
    “That's good judgment on your part.”
    @ 22m 40s
    August 13, 2024

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Key Moments

  • Political Assessment20:13
  • Underrated Politician22:07
  • Wise Decision22:40

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