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Searching for a Way Out of Europe's Dead-end Austerity

October 31, 2012 / 05:18

This episode discusses austerity measures in Europe, inflation strategies, and economic solutions involving the European Central Bank. Key topics include the impact of inflation on debt, wage increases in Germany, and fiscal stimulus.

The speaker highlights the limitations of current austerity measures, particularly in southern European countries like Spain and Italy. They argue that a higher inflation rate could alleviate debt burdens and stimulate economic growth.

One proposed solution involves increasing wages in Germany to boost consumption and support peripheral economies. This would help both German exporters and countries like Spain and Italy.

The episode also touches on the political challenges of implementing these strategies, particularly the reluctance of German voters to accept higher inflation due to historical concerns.

Overall, the discussion emphasizes the need for alternative economic strategies to address the ongoing financial issues in Europe.

TL;DR

The episode discusses alternative economic strategies for Europe, focusing on inflation and wage increases to alleviate debt burdens.

Episode

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when one thinks about the current
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situation and uh uh the problem with uh
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uh austerity measures that is to say you
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know this uh focus on on fiscal
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adjustment right reduction of expenses
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and uh uh increases in taxes in some
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countries uh you know what I think most
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governments have already realized is
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that this is not going to be the
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long-term solution the problem of course
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is that there's no agreement uh in
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Europe as to what might be an
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alternative uh path of action and the
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northern countries the Creditor
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countries are insisting on austerity
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because of course they feel that you
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know they they they should not pay for
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the excesses right of the last decade in
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the southern uh countries but I think uh
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one must uh you know step out of that uh
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dichotomy between either austerity or
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the end of the Euro right and I think
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there are intermediate uh Paths of
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action that have not been tried and I'm
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not the only one uh person uh proposing
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them but one of them is to uh ask the
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European Central Bank to accept a
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slightly higher rate of of inflation why
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would this work uh help well this would
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help because as you know inflation tends
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to reduce the debt burden right in real
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terms so if you maintain inflation let's
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say half a percentage Point higher than
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what it is now over the next three or
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four years that's going to help uh
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countries such as Spain and Italy which
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are really you know the countries where
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the future of the euro is going to be
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decided right uh so these two countries
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could benefit immensely for that but the
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second point that I would like to make
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is that uh the method by which you
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increase inflation right by a few you
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know T of a percent uh also would matter
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a great deal so I wouldn't do it with uh
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quantitative easing with another round
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of QE this time in Europe not here in
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the United States the way I would do it
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is by asking uh the Germans to increase
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wages for their workers above
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productivity increases right that would
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be inflationary that would reduce German
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competitiveness granted but hey you know
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it would also weaken the Euro a little
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bit and a weakening of the euro is going
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to help German exporters right a
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weakening of the euro is also going to
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help Spanish or Italian or Greek
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exporters okay so you get that benefit
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but you get another benefit if the
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Germans uh if the German population has
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more money right because their wages
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have increased right they're likely to
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buy more goods and services they're
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going to they're going to save some of
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that money but they're also going to
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consume more and of course they will
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consume more German Goods they will
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consume more Chinese Goods but they will
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also consume more goods and services
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from the European periphery they will go
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on vacation for a longer period of time
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they will spend more money they will buy
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more uh Spanish and Italian Goods as
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well uh so that that should be uh you
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know the second point the third point I
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don't think this is going to happen but
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the third uh uh you know action that
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they could uh they could take
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is uh a little bit of a stimulus in
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Germany you see right now the Germans
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can borrow money at negative interest
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rates right so you know there's things
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that the German government would like to
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do maybe they want to build some piece
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of infrastructure here or they would
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like to invest more in education or on
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R&D they should do it and that fiscal
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stimulus in Germany sure it will come
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with a little bit more inflation but
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that's going to help not just Germany
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but all of the other countries that
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trade with Germany as well
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uh the problem of course is a political
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one which is that it's very difficult to
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persuade the German public uh and the uh
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the voters in several of the other
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creditor countries that they should
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accept a higher inflation because once
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again inflation helps those who you know
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uh owe money uh but uh it does hurt uh
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the savors it does hurt the the people
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who are
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creditors uh so they are reluctant to go
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down that path and of course
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historically as you know uh the German
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voter has become very very much against
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uh High inflation right for for all
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sorts of historical reasons uh so
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there's a lot of uh reluctance on the
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part of German politicians then to go
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down that path uh but I think it is
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right now uh the only viable solution
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that doesn't continue this procyclical
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you know that doesn't contribute to this
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procyclical Dynamic that I described
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earlier
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Episode Highlights

  • The Case for Inflation
    Higher inflation could alleviate debt burdens for countries like Spain and Italy.
    “Inflation tends to reduce the debt burden in real terms.”
    @ 01m 31s
    October 31, 2012
  • Weakening the Euro
    A weaker euro could benefit both German and southern European exporters.
    “A weakening of the euro is going to help German exporters.”
    @ 02m 36s
    October 31, 2012
  • Political Reluctance
    Convincing Germans to accept higher inflation is a significant political challenge.
    “It's very difficult to persuade the German public to accept higher inflation.”
    @ 04m 00s
    October 31, 2012

Episode Quotes

  • Inflation tends to reduce the debt burden in real terms.
    Searching for a Way Out of Europe's Dead-end Austerity
  • A weakening of the euro is going to help German exporters.
    Searching for a Way Out of Europe's Dead-end Austerity
  • It's very difficult to persuade the German public to accept higher inflation.
    Searching for a Way Out of Europe's Dead-end Austerity

Key Moments

  • Austerity Debate00:40
  • Inflation Solutions01:29
  • Political Challenges04:00

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