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Let Spain, Greece (and maybe Italy) Exit the Eurozone Temporarily, Devalue and Grow

September 12, 2012 / 05:50

This episode discusses the European Central Bank's proposed unlimited Sovereign Bond purchase program, the need for short-term economic growth in countries like Spain, Greece, and Italy, and the potential benefits of temporary exits from the Euro Zone for these nations.

Wharton Finance Professor Franklin Allen emphasizes that these countries must grow out of their debt issues. He critiques the official sector's poor forecasting of growth rates under austerity measures, noting that cuts lead to increased unemployment and economic decline.

Allen highlights alarming unemployment rates in Greece and Spain, with youth unemployment exceeding 50% in some regions. He argues that while long-term reforms are necessary, immediate devaluation is crucial for economic recovery.

He draws parallels to Argentina's recovery after defaulting and devaluing its currency, suggesting that similar actions could benefit struggling Euro Zone countries.

The episode concludes with a call for these nations to temporarily leave the Euro Zone to allow for necessary devaluations and economic growth.

TL;DR

Franklin Allen discusses the need for Euro Zone countries to temporarily exit for devaluation and growth amid economic crisis.

Episode

5:50
00:00:01
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[Music]
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Wednesday's favorable German Court
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ruling is a major step forward for
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European Central Bank head Mario dr's
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proposed unlimited Sovereign Bond
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purchase program to rescue the euroo
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but even if implemented it misses the
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most pressing problem A desperate need
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for short-term economic growth the best
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way to achieve that a temporary exit
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from the Euro Zone by Spain Greece and
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possibly Italy that would allow for
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major devaluations says Wharton Finance
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Professor Franklin Allen once growth
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redresses Regional imbalances the
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countries could rejoin the currency
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Union so let's pursue this issue of
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growth a little bit more because this
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this is real
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the central issue in the whole crisis at
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the moment what these countries need to
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do is to grow out of the problem and
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that's the real way to get rid of the
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debt issue that faces the periphery
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countries if you look at what's
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happening though this is not what's
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occurring in fact if anything we're
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going the other way what seems to have
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been the case is that the official
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sector has done a very poor job of
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forecasting actual growth rates when
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austerity policies are implemented it
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seems that they are assuming that
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markets will clear and the economy will
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get back to its traditional kinds of
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operation fairly quickly but that simply
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hasn't happened what we've seen instead
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is this downward spiral whereby
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governments cut expenditure and then
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that unfortunately leads to a drop in
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GDP they then have to cut more and so on
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in the meantime unemployment goes up
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dramatically so in G Greece it's
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approaching
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25% overall youth unemployment is also
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already over five
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50% in Spain it's even worse they're
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around
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25% and youth unemployment is over 50%
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in some regions of Spain like Andel
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luthia where I spent my summers in my
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youth the unemployment rate is now 30%
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the youth unemployment rate is
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60% these are figures that are much
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worse than we've had since the Great
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Depression and even comparable and some
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some regions worse than that so this is
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an awful time that they're going through
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now the question is what are the growth
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policies what could get growth going my
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own view is that the kinds of policies
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that they're talking about which is
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liberalizing markets
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reforming taxation systems reforming
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education systems increasing competition
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these These are good policies but they
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take significant amounts of time to
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implement and have their effect the real
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problem is that the one short-term
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policy that has a big effect is
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devaluation
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and what they need to do is to accept
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they made a mistake in designing the
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Euro zone They Don't yet have what they
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need to actually have the Euro Zone with
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all these diverse
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economies participate when there's this
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kind of shock and the countries that are
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in trouble need to leave temporarily I I
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would stress just in the same way that e
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in at the start of the ERM in the 1990s
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Italy had to drop out that didn't mean
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that the project was finished it just
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meant that there was a delay what we
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need now is for Greece Spain and maybe
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Italy to leave so that they can then
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devalue
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significantly then they will start to
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grow if we look at
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Argentina they were in a very similar
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kind of recession very deep recession
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once they Def faulted
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and devalued significantly they started
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to grow over the last decade they've
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doubled their economy in size since the
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trough and they that's despite very bad
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economic policies if you go back to the
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1930s a number of people like Jeffrey
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Sachs and Barry ion green argue that we
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were better off to have countries
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leaving the gold standard because they
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could then start to recover and grow
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again and I think if you look at the
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evidence there's significant amount of
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evidence that devaluation is the best
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way to get growth quickly and I think
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that's what we need to see and not this
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continual attempt by the governments to
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have monetary policies or austerity
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policies none of these policies are
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being very effective at the moment
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Episode Highlights

  • Major Step Forward for ECB
    Wednesday's favorable German Court ruling is a significant advancement for the European Central Bank's bond purchase program.
    @ 00m 19s
    September 12, 2012
  • Youth Unemployment Crisis
    Youth unemployment rates in Greece and Spain exceed 50%, marking a dire economic situation.
    @ 02m 19s
    September 12, 2012
  • The Case for Devaluation
    Devaluation is presented as a crucial short-term policy to stimulate economic growth in struggling Eurozone countries.
    “Devaluation is the best way to get growth quickly.”
    @ 05m 10s
    September 12, 2012

Episode Quotes

  • This is real.
    Let Spain, Greece (and maybe Italy) Exit the Eurozone Temporarily, Devalue and Grow
  • These are figures that are much worse since the Great Depression.
    Let Spain, Greece (and maybe Italy) Exit the Eurozone Temporarily, Devalue and Grow
  • Devaluation is the best way to get growth quickly.
    Let Spain, Greece (and maybe Italy) Exit the Eurozone Temporarily, Devalue and Grow

Key Moments

  • Economic Growth Urgency00:59
  • Unemployment Alarming Rates02:42
  • Devaluation Advocacy05:10

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