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david Jenna Fischer Jenna Fischer the lovely Jenna Fischer who is pretty universally liked out there I mean very
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sweet very talented very fun and charming Famous for The Office She's
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done a lot of movies and a lot of other things but she was Pam on The Office The
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Smash for all 98 seasons Yeah Uh that show
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just kept grinding it out And there's a spin-off now We talk about um we don't
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only talk about the office of course we have she does plays she's doing a new one we're talking about she talks about
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uh I asked her about Nick Schwarzen about Will Ferrell she loves SNL and uh
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I hit her up after the interview and uh you know I think she had what we had she's always like she's like exactly
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what we say did we ask the right questions was I interesting was I f and we we always finish and going I think we
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did that wrong whatever but she's very sweet about it she wanted to do a good job she listens to the show She has her
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own show um The Office Ladies Um and she
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uh she tells some really funny stories interesting stories about her struggles
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before she got on the office And there's a whole arc of story involving Molly
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Shannon And that's a very I like that story Yeah And sometimes when that we finish the podcast we keep our laptop
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open So I ended up talking with her for a half hour afterwards She's very easy Well she's easy to chat
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to talk to So anyway I hope you enjoy this one Jenna Fisher
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I was just asked by our producer and it's a profound question When you're driving around Mhm a long drive two-hour
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drive whatever what's your what's your entertainment xm news music
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podcasting or just rap phone calls to payback Yep You have 10 seconds
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It's not music I do not listen to music
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Um my first car did not have a working radio and I just got used to driving in
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silence and it's my preference But now I would say um news podcasts or
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phone calls So I love the idea that you literally could go like just the silence
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2 hours 3 hours just Jesus silence Jesus it's chasing healthy By the way I
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don't I don't know Yeah I drove from St Louis Missouri all the way to California with no radio Just open
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windows in the trunk My first car was really just it just moved you from one
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place to another There was no luxury involved What kind of what year of car i don't
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remember I think it was like an 86 I mean it had originally when it was built
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had these features They just didn't work anymore So you do the office all those years and then you buy a used Buick from
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1988 I mean I'll talk to Carell if I have to or No I'm going to call Greg
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Okay go ahead My No no no I So I had a Mazda 323 hatchback and that was the car
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I drove across the country Okay And then I upgraded to a Volkswagen Jetta which
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was my favorite car maybe I've ever had It was awesome But then when I got my
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big office paycheck Yeah I got a stupid car Okay Rolls-Royce I it was I walked
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into a Mercedes dealership and they had a little sedan They only made like seven of these and it had like the engine of a
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race car but in like the body of like a C-Class Mercedes so it was like cute and
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compact but it I was a 100% an [ __ ]
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driver like because I could cut around anyone I could it was it was great Did
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you keep it and I leased it and I gave it up after the lease Lease Uh and I
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went more practical We all have that story You want me to go first David cuz it's similar to yours Okay Got a little
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money some movie whatever Got extra money Went to a Mercedes dealership
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Bought a a convertible little Mercedes coupe Like oh wow this is awesome drove
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it for three or four days and realized when I had the canopy up I was looking through a plastic windshield in the back
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So took it back traded in for a SLE or a big a 420 SLE and then I started getting
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people paying attention to me I lived in the valley when I would go to like 7-Eleven or a gas station So then I went
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to Honda I just wanted a lowfi car That's my story Well the problem with
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LA is that you get this awesome car and then you can only go like 32 miles an
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hour in it because you're always stuck in traffic So it's kind of like after a few years I was like "Oh the best I can
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do is like whip down the on-ramp." Yeah 300 horsepower and you're just And then
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Exactly Yeah Yeah totally When I moved out I got
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something when I first paycheck and I went and I had no car So I got a car
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Dana knows the story $6,000 Honda I didn't go flashy I only had six And then
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I drove it to the improv and then I brought it out I brought my buddy out to show him and it was stolen What so how
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long you had it for like a night one day one He went one place and Kevin drove a car eerily similar to
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that I'm not saying he had anything to do with the robbery but it was kind of weird
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But my first car was a Volkswagen bug Are you going to go to first car or first car when you got a extra paycheck
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me no you are We know your story We know my story Yeah David you got Oh I I had
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my fair share cuz I do like cars but I I my neck gives me trouble So every time I get a car I love it just starts it's
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just too painful And like Jenna said when you're starting and stopping all day it's not like you live in the Midwest and you can floor it and there's
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big parking lots Like when you go to Wendy's in Arizona there's like 300 parking spots And when you go here
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there's one at Kmart And you go are we all sharing this you can't believe when you get to LA how little there's some
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businesses have absolutely no parking So I don't know what we're supposed to do So that that kind of threw me And I
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realized I didn't need big fancy cars I could just tell people I had them I
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didn't really need them My first car was also a manual transmission Oh boy And my
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left foot would like truly ache at the end of like driving all day in LA
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because there was you were constantly just going like in and out of third and fourth gear There was like you never
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made it to fifth gear in this car God no one has a stick anymore No it's a it's a
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you know this was the cheapest car Like the manual transmission was the cheapest car My dad's very practical He was like
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you'll get this car you how to drive it Firm is all you need You don't need any
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frills Yeah Yeah I mean St Louis Yeah So
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do you you've been to St Louis i bet I'm going to St Louis to a show Have you had
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pizza in St Louis uh most pizza in St Louis know but I I I like it as a town I
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like walking around I like that stadiums are really close in you know not in the
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Jenna Do you know what Chesterfield is chesterfield is where I grew up Oh is it really chesterfield is where my family
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lives now Uh oh Yeah I actually grew up uh in like
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Manchester/chesterfield in an unincorporated area Uh but yeah Chesterfield for sure Why because that's
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where I'm going for my tour And I they said I was with Nikki uh Glazer this weekend and she's from St
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Louis and she goes "Why don't they put on your tour St Louis no one says Chesterfield." I go "Oh I don't know I
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don't even know where." I mean if you're from St Louis you know what Chesterfield is Okay good Yeah it's not like Yeah
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it's not downtown I mean St Louis is downtown You're going to be in the BBS You're in the suburbs That's fine with me And uh I think it's a great place
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I've been there before I think it's new Uh anyway we'll set up comps for everyone you know from high school Other
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than that great Great You know what you say my high school
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ladies are going to come out for your show Yeah it's it's super fun Um Dana and I had a question First of all I'll
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tell Dana a little prequest that you don't know All right let's try to keep our our guests off balance like with
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questions she's not asked all the time Oh yeah We're here to We want to surprise you She's going to come out here dizzy I love it So great Everyone
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loves that in an interview I thought of doing this with Dana and then I called
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Jenna Right Jenna do you remember this yes of course Yes And you were very sweet You took the call and you kind of
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walked me through how it works and what you did and it really gave me a little boost to say this might be fun and if it
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has to be a Dane it has to be That's fine Whatever Um and so and then Dana had a question
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of do you really need a part has it ever gone through your mind i could have done
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this by myself and then the money doubles Has that ever gone
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through or or you know maybe Angela but uh that Dana and I think about that all
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day every day People always ask us forever why you know why us why now are
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you really friends do you get that i mean you guys are famously really close friends but with Spade and I was like
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what the Tommy boy guy and the Wayneworld guy I don't know Yeah Yeah
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Well I mean also because Angela and I were frenemies on the office our characters were not friends and people
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are always very surprised to learn that we are best friends in real life Um I
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could not have done the podcast without her I am all like structure and order
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and spreadsheets My version of Office Ladies Podcast would be very informative
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but also way less entertaining So Angela brings all of the like funny and all of
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the quirky and all of like the weird observations So we're actually we're a pretty good pair
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Yeah I think that's smart that you did that because there is kind of safety in numbers Uh Dana is way better at this
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and uh I don't think I could do it myself I think Dana really really drives
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it and makes it easier to uh do it for me But but jokingly it's fun to joke
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around with him too cuz he's funny guy obviously and u we have a good time with that and I think you guys have a real
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friendship So people like to hear that you're friends even though it doesn't seem like it on the show You guys I love
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your podcast Like I you have no idea how excited I am to be on your podcast right now I listen to you guys I think you are
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so good together Um Dana I can't believe I you're talking to
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me right now Uh that's kind of blowing my mind I'm a huge Saturday Night Live
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nerd The greatest part about being on The Office and being on NBC was that I
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got to breathe the same air as Saturday Night Live people This is like that we
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would have to be at the same corporate parties together and I was a total
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groupy That is who I gravitated toward It was just the coolest And but that's
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going way back I actually have a crazy story from my very early days in LA
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Let's hear it And Saturday Night Live Okay So I made my living when I landed in LA as a typist and a transcriber And
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you know how um you'd have to go to those events they're called like the television critics association and you
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would sit on a panel as a cast and you would introduce new cast members This would be for any show
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Well my job was to go and sit in that room and take notes and then go back to
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a hotel room a hot hotel room filled with like 12 people and 12 computers and
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then listen to audio and transcribe these like press events Wow These
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conversations Yeah Yes And if we got our work done on time by that evening we
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were allowed to go to the quote unquote parties which as you know are really just cast members of TV shows mingling
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with reporters who are trying to get sound bites But we would get to go we'd get to eat the food drink the drinks and
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just watch all the famous people Well all I wanted more than anything was to go to the Saturday Night Live party I
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wanted it more than my little new heart in LA could stand it And so I knew what
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night it was coming up and I started planting the seed the day before I started pretending like I didn't feel
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good because I was going to make an excuse that I was sick so that I could
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get off work on time and then sneak into this party But I I had I needed the hours you
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know so I planted that seed The next day I was like "Man I'm still not feeling good." At 3:00 I'm like "I'm so sorry I
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got to go I got to go home." The guy was like "Fine." I had planted a change of clothes in my car I went I changed into
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a cocktail dress I sneak into the party and I can't even tell you it was amazing
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Nor McDonald I'm looking at him in the flesh I can't My mind is blown Then I
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see Molly Shannon and I think I'm going to do it I'm gonna go say hi to Molly Shannon And I walk up to her She's
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giving sound bites to the press and I say "Molly Shannon I am a new actress in
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LA and I just admire you so much and I just wanted to tell you um just what you
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mean to me You know the stuff you say." Yeah sure She looked at me took me by the shoulders looked me
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deep in the eyes and said "Don't give up Whatever you do don't give up It took me
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10 years to get on Saturday Night Live And my best advice to you is just know it'll happen eventually if you just
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stick with it Okay you guys Sounds sounds like the Molly we know Yeah I was
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about to say and I went and I like I had this encounter with her and then I turn
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around and my boss from the transcription room is standing there
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along with everybody else who got off work on time and they came to this party and I was like
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"Am I fired?" And he goes "You are fired." And I was like "Okay what?" He
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fired me But it was fine guys because I met Molly Shannon and she gave me that advice and I went home and I told my mom
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and every time I had a hard day for the next 10 years my mom would say to me "Jenna don't you forget what Molly
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Shannon told you." She said "Don't give up." She said it took you It took her 10 years Yeah You guys wait for it 10 years
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later I'm at the premiere of Walk Hard the movie Walk Hard that I did with John
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C Riley Yeah right I [ __ ] you not Guess who's at that party molly Shannon Molly
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Shannon your boss And I got to go up to her and I got to say Molly Shannon
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here's this story You told me 10 years And she was like "And look it's 10 years
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later and here you are." And I got a picture with her I made the photographer come over and like take a picture of us
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Is that the greatest thing ever does Molly know as she heard this story or
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did you just Yes I told her that night at the Walkard premiere Wow Unbelievable
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But now Yes And I wrote about I wrote a book and I wrote that story in the book and I have the picture in the book too
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Mhm [Music]
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Well when I met David he was 19 And I said "You hang with this and in 6 months
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don't give up cuz in 6 months," now David was out of the blocks fast If it was a sprinter he was like "Boom." He
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Dana said "You're going to move to LA and in 6 months you'll get crabs." And I go "Okay." Police Academy Hello He got a
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movie at Well he's had a I got a movie early on That's the Police Guy movie that I
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made I had $6,000 to buy the car that got stolen So I was back to zero
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Wow Yeah Great story Um you still type 85 words per minute That's nothing to
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sneeze at I do I do 90% accuracy It's all in the accuracy Anyone can type
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garbage You're 90% right Yeah I mean right You want to type words anyone can
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just type My father was in high school True Uh teaching
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uh a typing teacher My father for decades Mhm Can you type can you guys
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type with all your fingers or are you like two finger typers i can't do anything If you see a non taught uh
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young person like in their 20s they they're really fast And I don't know if it's technically all using all their
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fingers but you know uh we picked it up later but I I'm fast Wait but I don't
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Jenna I have a good question that ties into Live You did Blades of Glory You
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wound up getting to have sex with Will Frell right uh yes that's right I had a sex scene with Will Mhm One of the best
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alltime goats of SNL for sure Yeah that was nuts But also by the way Amy Polar
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was in that movie Oh that's right Amy so just playing my sister Wowee And Will
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Arnett was in that movie Um yeah I mean that was that was terrifying That was
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terrifying And Will was so polite when we shot that scene cuz he had to like grab my boobs like several times But
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what was crazy about it was I probably had on more clothes in that scene where
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I look like I'm just in like a nighty than I normally wear Like they cuz they
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put you in like Spanx and then a corset and then a thing and they painted my
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body with makeup I mean I felt like so covered It was crazy He has to go and
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grab your boobs through your stuff But it's like that kind of thing You can't even feel it because you've got 18 layers of Yeah It's like I was wearing
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body armor So I I was kind of like maybe like wink when you grab them cuz I can
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feel nothing And this nudge me predates intimacy coordinators There was no one
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there There was no there was just Okay It was just like a director going let's
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do this Yes Exactly Was Schwarzen in that do you know Nick
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Schwarz that little fool yes Yes he was Oh my god We are friends with Nick and
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you know it's a real roller coaster Jenna I'll tell you that It is I found him lovely on the film but what do I
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know no he's great He's so funny Hall pass We haven't even gotten to the goddamn uh
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office Look office What is it the question is
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is for you and your partner uh re-watching all these episodes and
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talking about them Yeah What how has your perception if it at all changed
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about the show what did you learn about the show or or if anything because it is now officially a phenomenon in the way
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it travels around and then explodes again it's evergreen and it's a it's a
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unique show and um uh yesterday I was watching um the office with Ricky Dery
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very different I mean it you know you say it came from that office but it went it it has its own complete original
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thing Greg Daniels one of the great writers so what did you guys what what do you feel about that thing after doing
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hundreds of podcast did you did you go through every episode at some point yeah
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every single episode All 201 episodes Um and then a lot of um interviews with
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cast and crew Um writers Writers Exactly
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Um my biggest takeaway from having rewatched it was that it's really good
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the whole time because I think there was this lore especially among the cast and
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the creatives that maybe we like hit our peak in season 3 or season 4 And also
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this belief that like the two seasons after Steve left we were just treading water and maybe they weren't as good But
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when I watched everything like some of my favorite episodes were in seasons 8
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and nine after Steve had left Like there were still these amazing storylines And also I have to say now
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when I look back my some of my favorite episodes were also in seasons four
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through six like Dinner Party was season 4 Michael Scott Paper Company that whole arc was in season five And that like
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that's just great TV And um but yeah I
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think you know some of the award nominations stopped after season 3 So I think maybe we got in our heads and
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thought "Oh I guess we're not creating as great." I think that just happens no matter what You're not the new shiny
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object anymore Exactly And they kind of slow down thing I mean when you're watching yourself and you're watching the thing and then you come on and stuff
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and it's something you did years ago do you ever sometimes cuz you sound like you're a normal actor comedian that's
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sort of like a little self-critical How was I do you ever kind of look at yourself in a scene and go "Damn I
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nailed that Why did I feel insecure or or what's that like?" Um I mean I have
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both reactions Sometimes I watch it and I'm like I'll never do work that good again [ __ ] that was great Um but then
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there's other scenes where I just cringe where I'm like "Oh god I I remember how
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I struggled with that and I couldn't do it and now here it is for everyone to see and I guess I just have to move on."
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So I've had both reactions and I I don't know the the complete specifics of this but you it first of all it is was always
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an ensemble how great Carell is in that part is is you know everybody knows that
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but it always was an ensemble and so many people came out of it and now have these long careers but
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um it's um I forgot my train of thought sorry I
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was you ever in my head Jenna when you can watch it and say I was in the pocket
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because sometimes you watch it and you go you're just in in the pocket of going
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this is a great scene this whole idea of this episode's working And when they whip the camera back get a great look
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Whip back to you Perfect timing Get a great look And when you see it you go cuz you know you can only feel the
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camera when you're shooting and you don't really know And then you go "God they nailed that." Boom Boom Edited well
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Everything about this is just That's why people really get uh enchanted by I mean
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and also just your face is so part of The Office and it's so cute They always cut to you and you and you have these
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little story lines It's really I see why people get hooked on it No matter when you turn it on you can just grab any
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episode I remember what I forgot which is was how much if any improvisation was there because it comes off very
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improvisational in totem but I know there wasn't completely improvised I
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know that's a pretty cool word right so were you allowed to kind of go you guys could I try this how you know do you
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mind if I do you know that kind of stuff yeah it was really collaborative and um
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you know so many of the writers were also actors on the show so they were with us and they would be sometimes
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pitching alternate jokes right there on the set kind of fun so that was neat and
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we did a lot of improvising but I don't know how much of it actually made the cut we we got to play and have fun but I
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would say like 90% of what you see on the screen was written on the page down to like um they would write in ellipses
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for our speech like so you knew to kind of pause because they knew they were
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going to whip the camera during that pause and so they could get back to you So there was a very elaborate
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choreography of whipping the camera a little too late so that it seemed and
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you'd have to give handles seem like so it seemed like Yeah They didn't quite do it right Yeah Yes Exactly And so a lot
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of times when we would do a rehearsal they would say Jenna will you give a handle before your next line to so we
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have time for that camera whip So that would be we would add things like um
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well they'd find you So that they could find you Yeah like in the right timing
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but um also seems very real Like a lot of the non-verbal acting and and those
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cutaways to a character that isn't saying a line but just sort of non-verbally doing some kind of attitude
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and stuff it it it was immediately just felt so new I I'm not going to say fresh
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David would use that word a lot but immediately I think for comedians as well uh watching it going "This looks
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cool This looks fun This looks different and really funny It doesn't push at all
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You know it's the end Well we had um we had two camera operators with cameras on their shoulders and both of these guys
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were from Survivor So these guys had like walked through the whatever the
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wilderness with the Survivor people capturing Survivor So this is where they came from in the documentary world and
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um camera a Randall Einhorn who was also our cinematographer who went on to be a director and is now you know the
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executive producer of Abbott Elementary and all those things Uh Randall was our a camera and his job was to get all of
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the dialogue Um and then Matt S he was our B camera and then his job was to get
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all of those things you're talking about Dana all of the acting that was happening in the background So whenever
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a scene was happening we were all in the background of each other's scenes all day long on set the full 12 hours Steve
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Carell included I can't tell you how many times Steve Carell had to sit in Michael Scott's office just to be in the
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background of Jim and Pam looking at each other A piece of them Yeah cuz we're going to see a piece See we're
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going to see a piece of you is like something we could put on a mug Um
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that'd be actually be a great cast gift Um yeah And so he would grab and push in
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on all of the you know anyone who was in the background of a scene and get their reactions in real time It was such a
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cool way to work Yeah And you have to stay alive though You do Every scene but
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it keeps your energy up Yeah You know because that's the hardest thing for me about acting in movies is like the long
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amounts of downtime between when you're actually acting It's just like oh god I
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gotta ramp up again Yeah And it's just I you know I don't know if this is the correct way to say it but if if you feel
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like if you you're discovering something new in the moment it's really nice Uh it
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does keep your brain alive And in traditional movies what I was doing them you know you do the three masters at 7
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or 8 a.m or whatever and then by 5 or 6:00 you start and don't you in the
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master eight hours ago your left elbow was up and you open the car door At this point it's the antithesis of what you
00:28:19
guys had At least the way it felt it popped It felt real you know for sure
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And we did not have marks You know those the for people out there like you put tape on the ground and then you have to
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stand on it because that's how you're going to be in focus But we had no marks And if the boom dipped in shot we just
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kept it in because you know it worked in the world And um and when I finished
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when I you know going back to Blades of Glory Blades of Glory was the first big movie I did after being cast on The
00:28:49
Office and I repeatedly kept um looking down the barrel of the camera like I
00:28:55
would do a scene with Will and Amy and then I would like give a look to camera I'd be like I can't do that And also I
00:29:02
suddenly had to hit a mark and I was it I was so stiff It was really stressful
00:29:08
cuz I'd been in this other world You can watch when people on movies sometimes have you ever watched someone looks down
00:29:14
when they walk in look for their mark and they look up i love it So horrifying Uh I want to say also that I was going
00:29:20
to say the show is fresh but it's funny that the term fresh is stale but also
00:29:27
it's pro I'm going to bring it back that The Office was fresh and the new one called The Paper
00:29:34
Yeah On Peacock Have you seen that do you know much about it it's okay I haven't seen it but I got to go to the
00:29:40
set Angela and I got special access to the set and um got to talk to all the
00:29:46
actors We got to see it It's really cool But we're not allowed to say anything Oh
00:29:52
yeah I think that it's in the can Like they they finished it It comes out in September Oh interesting Oh September on
00:29:59
where peacock I don't know Peacock right peacock
00:30:06
[Music] So with John Krinski like the Jim and Pam narrative was became such a big
00:30:12
thing I talked to some people in their early 20s today told them I was going to interview you and on the office they go
00:30:19
I go she was Pam Oh Pam you know this is like a famous character and Jim and Pam
00:30:25
I'm just kind of curious because John Krinski um I find it really really interesting
00:30:31
how he came up with that horror film the quiet what was it the quiet A quiet
00:30:38
place quiet place and um it's interesting when actors just all of a sudden you see them like wow this guy
00:30:45
can really direct and did you see any uh seeds of that in him intellectually or
00:30:50
just the way he was around was that a surprise to you when he came up directing it It was a surprise to none
00:30:57
of us Like I didn't think so John I would always say to John I think you're
00:31:02
going to be like our Tom Hanks Like remember how Tom Hanks did Bosom Buddies
00:31:08
and he was like a very famous successful TV show But like when you think of Tom
00:31:13
Hanks you don't think of Bosom Buddies You think of everything else Tom Hanks has done And I was like I think The
00:31:19
Office is going to be your Bosom Buddies Like you're going places It's very clear And did he look down at his at the
00:31:26
ground and go "Oh shucks Jenna." Or how did he He did He did He's very Yes He's
00:31:33
very humble in that way you know like that would be if I say that to him that's very embarrassing to him you know
00:31:38
like he doesn't want to be like fussed over like that But I was like "No it's true mister." Well it's a herculean task
00:31:47
to direct a movie I mean just physically and mentally But um Dana fusses over me
00:31:52
all the time Fusses Um yeah you fuss over me I want to hear more about you being a telephone psychic when you got
00:32:00
Yeah that was She worked as a car wash I did work at a car for three summers and
00:32:05
that was my best job I worked at Long John Silvers That was my first job I
00:32:12
worked at an ice cream crearyy serving ice cream and then I got the job at the car wash All of those were on this road
00:32:18
called Manchester Road on um in St Louis out in the suburbs and I got I got fired
00:32:25
from Long John Silvers I got fired from the ice cream crearyy and my dad would say "Oh you're just looking to get fired
00:32:30
from every business on Manchester Road I guess." Um but the car wash stuck and
00:32:35
that was great There was great money I was outside just drying off the cars you
00:32:41
know How big are in that world cuz I try to tip well but Okay this is Jenna like
00:32:48
back then Well and by the way they would always make me give the gentlemen back
00:32:54
their cars cuz you have to like Yeah You got to stand at the car and wave Oh yeah
00:33:00
You know and your little shorts and your little cut off shirt and like your car is ready
00:33:06
Um I would I'm not you know not to brag but I would get a five Sometimes I get
00:33:11
five Fiverr Mhm But then you I had to put it in like the group bucket Oh no
00:33:18
Pooling tips Pooling tips Yeah you're in your I mean a few of them made it into
00:33:24
my pocket I'm not going to lie Now how what what percentage of you is really a psychic do you think some of you are i
00:33:31
would say zero% But do you believe in psych the potentiality of psychics at
00:33:36
all or do you think it's all just They creep me out Like I don't want a psychic
00:33:42
to tell me what's going to happen to me I like to believe I have free will you know i don't want to have that That that
00:33:49
just will give me nightmares Mhm I saw one psychic one time and it it still
00:33:55
haunts me Yeah It will change what you'll do The second they tell you something you'll make a different
00:34:00
decision That's what I feel like Yeah You will do this and this They go "Okay." They'll say "Oh random example
00:34:06
You'll get married within the next 10 years." So you meet someone and maybe you give them a different chance than
00:34:11
you would before You're like "I think this is the guy I'm going to marry." You know that's exactly right It's weird You change Every little thing changes a
00:34:17
little bit So you can't really get the same outcome It feels I went to a psychic in college and my big question
00:34:25
for her was "Am I going to marry this guy I have a crush on?" That's I was obsessed with him Am I going to marry
00:34:31
him i can marry him She said "No you're not You're not going to marry him." She said "But you're going to be famous one
00:34:36
day." I said "I am i want to be an actress I'm going to be famous." She said "You're not going to be famous for
00:34:42
acting You're going to be famous in the world of religion H what yeah She said I was going to be a
00:34:49
famous religious leader Well she had it with acting She should have Here's a review Here's a review that I brought
00:34:55
Office ladies is a religious experience This was from the St Louis Dispatcher No
00:35:01
I made that up Dispatch dispatcher If you want to have fun um you have a
00:35:09
play by the way You've done plays It looks like from your prep here You've done plays but you have another one coming up Ashland Avenue Ashland Avenue
00:35:16
World premiere uh at the Goodman Theater in Chicago Yeah I'm heading out there in August for rehearsals and then the play
00:35:24
opens in September Tickets go on sale in June on 27th Now
00:35:29
doing a play D and I were just talking about this before you came on doing a play uh is it more exciting or is it
00:35:37
just something I I couldn't even imagine wrapping my head around the full script that you have to memorize does that take
00:35:43
days weeks or are you good at that it takes weeks Um I think I'm okay at it
00:35:49
Mhm Plays are my favorite thing I was a theater major Uh there's no money in doing theater Um
00:35:56
but it's where my heart is And what I love is that you get to tell the whole story and go on the character's complete
00:36:03
journey every night You don't have to like prepare it and then you shoot it
00:36:08
out of order And and I also just love that it like it lives and breathes with
00:36:14
the audience And and each play can only be seen one time like each performance
00:36:20
is slightly different and you have it it and then just like
00:36:25
only the people who were there got to see it It just is like really magical to me and I love it It's all I want to do
00:36:32
moving forward I want to just be a theater actress It's interesting Um I've gotten more into plays the last 10 years
00:36:39
just in London I'm not an intellectual in New York and stuff and it's interesting the the curtain call and
00:36:45
then they stand and there's a standing ovation and then you can tell by their body language how they felt especially
00:36:51
when they're walking off like sometimes they're slumping and sometimes you see someone literally twirl around almost
00:36:57
like we or high-fiving you know that you saw one that had that chemistry like you
00:37:02
said they're not always at that level that's why you have right they're like fingerprints Dana you I think you'll
00:37:07
agree standup is um you You know I go on the road going mostly to places Jenna
00:37:12
lived but uh when I go on the road uh you do a show and everyone goes "Oh I saw your show I saw your show." But you
00:37:18
remember that city and you go "Oh that one went pretty well." Even though it's just microscopically different Yeah But
00:37:24
you know sometimes you get off and you go "I could not get it going perfectly." And some nights you're like "From the
00:37:29
second I went out it was perfect I set everything right I had the right attitude." And so plays are like that
00:37:35
where whoever comes is going to see that night's experience and it will be a hair
00:37:40
The audience is is the partner in many ways Is it is it comedic a drama or is it a pure drama or it is a it is a
00:37:48
comedy but it will also break your heart into a million pieces So what it's about
00:37:53
is um it it's about a guy who owns an old like TV shop in Chicago on Ashland
00:38:02
Avenue and um he's a guy who used to have a dozen TV shops in Chicago but you
00:38:09
know mom and pop shops have gone away for the big box you know places And so
00:38:14
um and so he's being honored by the city of Chicago for being a small business
00:38:20
owner I play his daughter and basically it's a play about this man dealing with
00:38:25
uh being in his 70s and basically life is kind of telling him we don't we don't
00:38:31
really need what you have to offer anymore He's like dealing with his own relevancy Like the thing that he's good
00:38:38
at is owning this TV shop and selling people TVs but it's like you know what
00:38:44
we don't need that anymore And so what do you do with that when the world is kind of kind of done with your skill and
00:38:51
uh so it's kind of heartbreaking but it it's also a comedy And then as his daughter who has grown up just being in
00:38:59
this TV shop as well and it looks like it's going away like I have to decide well I'm kind of getting a chance here
00:39:06
to do something else with my life and strike out on my own And what does that mean to me do you do you feel like they
00:39:13
uh the audience is obviously they're familiar who you are from the office and
00:39:19
they want to come see you and so how different is this character compared to
00:39:25
Pam this character is is different from Pam for sure Um and that's something
00:39:30
like you know that that's my whole career since Pam is that most people
00:39:37
just want to see more Pam Um it doesn't totally bother me Um but uh I think I'm gonna be I think I
00:39:45
think you'll be able to go on this journey even you know I I think it'll be okay I always say you know cuz I I an
00:39:53
audience I'm doing stand up They they do want to see characters that I did on SNL and I just totally of course I will do
00:39:59
them They're my hits The only thing worse than not than having hits or a hit show is not having a hit show So it's
00:40:06
There it is That's right Yeah So it's a good problem to have and I think that from reading your prep guest prep you
00:40:14
know you've just done a lot of stuff since The Office So it certainly was a
00:40:20
starting point for you Do you still just love it do you just love performing like like you said i do Yeah Yeah I do I do
00:40:28
You know I think I'm a mom now I have two kids And one of the things that was really hard though was um just the
00:40:36
amount of focus and frankly like self-involvement that is necessary to be
00:40:43
an actor or a performance artist you know but it's true like like
00:40:50
you you you don't want to go all the way into narcissism because that's a real bummer But there is a there is a type of
00:40:57
selfishness and self-involvement that is necessary for being an artist because that's how you create That's how you get
00:41:03
in the space to create And um but that is that lane is not compatible with the
00:41:09
kind of parent I want to be Um I want to be a you know a kid focused kid-
00:41:14
centered type of parent And so I have changed the things I've said yes to or
00:41:21
the things I do actingwise since I had kids mostly so that they were that they
00:41:26
were kind of like more softballs you know like things I could do without getting too dark or self-involved or
00:41:33
selfish Um things that I could completely leave at work I wasn't
00:41:39
bringing anything home with me that was going to like bleed into their lives Oldest time oldest show business all all
00:41:45
those kind of conflicts And one thing that occurred to me recently why it's sort of emotional or personal like I
00:41:50
have a lot of good friends who maybe real estate agents or different type of jobs but we are our product our
00:41:58
physicality our voice who we are and so it's a personal thing you're out there doing the play and if you're if it's not
00:42:04
going well you didn't feel had enough time to prep it's just personal so I think it is really common and difficult
00:42:10
to balance the emotion with the family versus just how personal it is as a
00:42:16
performer and artist It's like and when kids come along you're just now suddenly it's their world and you're you can't
00:42:23
even help it It just goes away You're like now I'm lasered on this and I can't be like I was you know that's exactly
00:42:31
right It that's like in part of your life where it changes There are some people in show I think Beyonce has her
00:42:38
daughter touring with her who's like 12 There are some people just take do that
00:42:43
kind of lifestyle but richer than me That's different than giving u your kids
00:42:48
kind of a stable oldfashioned lifestyle you know Well I remember I I talked to a family therapist like early on cuz I
00:42:56
like therapy and I was talking about wanting to have kids and trying to figure out how am I going to balance
00:43:02
that with you know being an actor And she said something that really stuck with me She said "Well there's kind of
00:43:08
two types of families You can have parent centered homes or child- centered homes." And she's like "And there's
00:43:14
no there's no judgment which one you want to pick but in a parent- centered home if you have a career your children
00:43:21
will orbit around you and your career and if you go to a movie you bring them with you and you have tutors and and
00:43:26
they sort of like just go into your life." She's like "But in a child- centered home you know you you center it
00:43:34
around the children and if you need to go do a project," she was like "Imagine like your family is flowing like a river
00:43:40
and rather than diverting the whole river to the movie you just you take a little stream by yourself you do the
00:43:46
movie and then you rejoin the river later." Um but the but the goal is to
00:43:52
keep the river doing its thing And I really liked that and I thought "Yeah I
00:43:57
want to do that one." Could you I don't know if you want to do it publicly but could I get the number of that therapist or
00:44:04
I think you gave us solid bullet points That was a pretty good little help What do you call that a an analogy a metaphor
00:44:11
I don't know It's one of those things It was great It was great She also said like you know something that's hard
00:44:17
though is um she said when you she said when you pick the person you want to have kids with she's like you're going
00:44:23
to want a person who agrees with you Um because there's nothing worse than one
00:44:28
parent who wants a parent centered home and another parent who wants a child parents you know a child- centered home
00:44:34
And then she also said um people who have grown up in parent centered homes have a very hard time creating kid-
00:44:43
centered homes because they're like hey wait a second I'm the adult now it's my turn Yeah So it's right right like you
00:44:51
grew up like revolving around your parent you and then if you revolve around your kid you're like when was my shot
00:44:57
I thought that was it was just so much to chew on Right Yeah Well the 60s uh was so different you know Um I guess it
00:45:04
was a parrot centric It was you just were so much more independent Like I was walking to school at age five you know
00:45:11
and there were no helmets you know you know thing And so it's become very child- ccentric you know it used to be
00:45:18
children should be seen but not heard And now it's adults should keep their mouth shut when we're watching you know
00:45:25
And Dana you wear a helmet now though when you go to the mailbox
00:45:31
But that's his own choice That's my my own choice It's a fashion choice
00:45:39
[Music] Jenna two one two more things before
00:45:44
before uh we let you go But one I thought when you do a play I think of this when I do stand up on the road When
00:45:50
you do a play I think what would scare me is you have to feel good every day
00:45:55
Like you have to go there and prep yourself It sounds stupid but to stand to sit to go through to be fully alert
00:46:02
for those two hours whatever that's kind of a hard thing Does it ever even cross your mind or you always just kind of pop
00:46:08
to it no I mean I have a bunch of like rituals and superstitions that I do Oh yeah you
00:46:16
do Yeah Do you guys I have like I have like a vocal warmup I have like a body warmup I have a meal that I like to eat
00:46:23
because I know that it's not going to make me feel too full or too hungry or sick or anything Yeah You don't get
00:46:29
stomach ache No I'm definitely not experimenting with any kind of new food Yep Yep Do you have that yeah I mean
00:46:36
Dana and I were just talking last week like before we went on stage I get an eyelash in my eye once in a while It
00:46:42
happened last week again Dana And anything can happen right before you walk out and you're like I can't pee I
00:46:47
can't eat I can't do anything I have to feel good for the next hour straight There can be no distractions and it's
00:46:53
very weird because your life you can always poke at your phone You can look at this You can go restroom and you go
00:46:58
this and it plays even longer and just to feel like you got a grumbly stomach or your back hurts or something You're
00:47:04
like "Oh [ __ ] can I do this do I call in somebody?" You know so weird I had a
00:47:09
shooting pain in my left leg kind of inside my left leg like and so all of a
00:47:16
sudden my left leg was inoperable I was playing in front of 2,000 people and I was you know and I'm like okay can't got
00:47:24
to go with this you know incorporated into the act you know and then it worked itself out What I was interested in also
00:47:30
besides we all do that I think it's great You have the certain show day prep But the gentleman who is playing your
00:47:37
father what is his name fran Gynan So Larry David was just talking about when he does usually whatever he's doing I
00:47:44
don't know if he does stand up or whatever it's just the fatigue goes away once you there's the audience you know
00:47:49
and then I think in a play you're holding on to him he's holding on to you And that connection can hopefully make
00:47:57
the part of your brain going "How am I doing how's it going?" All that go away at times right that's the electricity of
00:48:03
it If you get so involved in the scene with your partner that it feels
00:48:09
exhilarating right when you know you're connecting and the audience is with you that's what you live for right yeah I
00:48:16
mean that's the dope of the the whole thing of live performance I mean that's
00:48:22
the thing we're chasing That's the high you're chasing the hit right every time And even if your prep doesn't go as well
00:48:29
as you want or you ate too much you still always have that possibility of that happening Yes Yes And also if they
00:48:37
get something wrong the audience doesn't know this They could miss a line You cover for them There's little things that are like teamwork things that are
00:48:43
fun to do that you get to the end and someone's like "Hey you saved me I spaced out." And the audience doesn't
00:48:49
really know what's going on but you guys you forgot a prop There's little things that keep it alive but that's kind of
00:48:55
the fun teamwork of it all like in a a show also that happened to me during a
00:49:00
show Um the I did a show uh off Broadway
00:49:06
and uh me and this other actress were on stage and we're only on stage for like four lines because we don't like each
00:49:12
other and we're waiting for the same guy We we like the same guy and we're waiting for him to walk in and break the
00:49:18
tension and he didn't come on stage He didn't come He just missed his entrance
00:49:23
And we're And so I started improvising which then the playwright was like "Oh
00:49:30
my god I can't believe people thought I wrote those lines That was just like terrible."
00:49:35
Improvisation I'm like "What were we supposed to do we're just sitting there No one was coming on." It's an art piece
00:49:42
if you sit in silence for 12 minutes waiting to while they find the guy at the deli next door I like it when the
00:49:47
someone has didn't silence their phone or is talking to the phone and then the actor on the Broadway show breaks
00:49:53
character He's in some kind of clown suit or dress as a bear I will kill you [ __ ] You know you know just that
00:50:01
clown suit It's live Yeah Now Jana uh my
00:50:06
last thing for you is I like that when you audition for The Office Allison Jones who's a casting
00:50:14
director we probably all three have run into along the way the best Said uh dare to bore me I think that's interesting I
00:50:21
read that I like that because most people are trying to give you the the biggest pizzazz of a lifetime in an
00:50:28
audition Well I had been auditioning for Allison for about five years before The Office I got my first speaking role on a
00:50:36
television show It was Spin City Um the Charlie Sheen years And uh I had three
00:50:43
lines as a waitress And then I would she would bring me in for other little things Um Sure And finally when it was
00:50:51
time for her to cast The Office I had a good enough relationship with her that I could say "Hey Allison do you have any
00:50:57
advice?" I really want this one And she said "Yeah my advice is don't come in
00:51:03
looking hot Like don't come in all done up." And by the way usually the note was
00:51:09
"Okay you're playing um a pediatric nurse but like hot or like you're playing a school teacher but like really
00:51:16
hot." So like usually the note was look hot Mortician but hot but but super hot
00:51:22
Like she's really really hot And I'm like "Okay." So she was like "Don't come in like looking hot Don't come in with a
00:51:29
bunch of makeup." Overdone Yeah We want real people And then she said "Uh we're going to have you improvise during the
00:51:35
audition and my advice is dare to bore me." Oh I love that And I was like "Okay
00:51:41
great." So I went in and I read the scene and then Greg Daniels said "Okay
00:51:46
we're going to improvise I'm going to just ask you some questions as if I'm a documentary filmmaker." Um and I had
00:51:52
that note in my head and he said um do you like being a receptionist here and I
00:52:00
just paused and I said nothing And then I
00:52:06
said "No." And that's all I said Oh that's funny
00:52:13
because I thought it would be funnier to watch me think of all the things I
00:52:18
wasn't going to say than to say any of them And then also though she's like a
00:52:24
deeply honest person so she can't lie and say she does like it but she's also
00:52:29
not going to say anymore Wow And I think that's what got me the job Greg told me that's what got me the job That is so
00:52:36
cool Dare to bore me That was dare to bore me It was so scary It's so scary
00:52:41
cuz you want to just go for the fences It's so hard to just have
00:52:47
restraint That's like for me the hardest thing about acting is just holding on
00:52:53
You really are working with people that are all doing it and it's so [ __ ] funny It's amazing It It's just amazing
00:53:00
amazing thing to have been a part of It just I I still can't believe it And just what it means to people too Like that's
00:53:07
so cool I know that the office has gotten people through hard times in
00:53:13
their lives and um you know once in uh long ago uh I fell down a set of stairs
00:53:22
in New York at Buudacon It was during like an NBC event I was there with Fred Armison actually and um I fell down this
00:53:30
set of stairs and I broke my back in four places Oh Jesus And um while I was
00:53:36
recovering I uh I watched the Larry Sanders show and it was like better than
00:53:43
any pain medicine So like the fact that I can like I can be part of something that is
00:53:49
that for other people like I know what it means to have a thing that like gets you through something It's really cool
00:53:56
Wow That's full circle because I believe that Ricky Jer felt like he was
00:54:01
influenced by the Larry Sanders show and then he does the British Office and then you go do the American Office and then
00:54:08
you break your back and then you're watching Larry Sanders I don't know where this keeps going but it's there's something kind of cool about that Um
00:54:15
that was a show magic We were both on it Were you on it David we were on Larry also uh we all worked with Greg Daniels
00:54:22
um who is a shout out to him who's a great writer that obviously SNL I
00:54:27
remember when Greg Daniels and Conan O'Brien walked into the offices at SNL
00:54:34
fresh out of Harvard looked like they were sophomores in high school Little haircuts kind of nervous looking around
00:54:40
Yeah Great Yeah And they were roommates Yeah too I know It's amazing Really and
00:54:47
uh you know SNL years you liked It's like we were propped up by guys like
00:54:52
that and and Bob Odenkirk and Smiggle and Downey and Frank there's so many
00:54:58
good writers there It's kind of nice when and I'm sure you just do this You're not trying to get kudos about it but if someone says to you later because
00:55:05
not everyone is really friendly when you walk into an environment like that and they'd say "Oh you were so nice to us."
00:55:10
I go "Really i was I think I was just like "How you guys doing?" or something But some people are like "Ah more
00:55:16
competition we don't need you You know it's a little it can be a little cold at SNL No one's really telling you where
00:55:23
you should stand or what you should even do That's what we learned A lot of people are like they didn't even know no
00:55:29
one told them anything you know about the show and they just had to figure it out for themselves But anyway well it's
00:55:36
an interesting environment I got to um be on the show as part of Steve Carell's
00:55:42
monologue once Mhm And um and I was I mean again like I told you I'm a
00:55:49
Saturday Night Live groupy nerd and so this was I I don't even remember what I
00:55:55
had going on I got like 24 hours notice Do you want to come fly in and I was like yes I came in on a red eyee I was
00:56:02
like anything and to be in the bowels to like get to be there for the rehearsal
00:56:07
and then how like oh my god it really does change from the rehearsal that was
00:56:13
nuts and just it was so scary and my line changed and then the Q card changed
00:56:19
and then how we went all went into Lauren's office and you're like sitting on the floor like waiting to hear like
00:56:25
what things made it and what didn't and I couldn't believe I was invited I was like I'm just the I just have like a one
00:56:32
sentence in the opening monologue but I was like privy to all of the inner workings It was so awesome It is And
00:56:40
then that night at the afterparty I I held Lauren Michael's focus for 30
00:56:48
solid minutes Whoa And I still to this day it is one of my my best like small
00:56:57
talk moments ever because I'd met him many times I had
00:57:02
come and I saw when Christina Applegate hosted and when John Ham hosted I came as their guest and I would sit and I
00:57:08
would run into him and shake his hand and all this sort of stuff and Oh and um but at for whatever reason at this
00:57:14
particular afterparty I got in a whole chat with him about how
00:57:20
I like to prep for the apocalypse And he was very interested in this topic and we
00:57:27
spoke for like a solid 25 minutes and I wanted to keep talking to him I wanted
00:57:32
to keep going but I knew that I had to say goodbye Yeah I And I did it I left
00:57:39
at the right time And I'm so proud of myself That's And now I never want to speak to
00:57:45
him again I will never speak to him again I will not ruin it Six years there I didn't get 30 total It was I'm telling
00:57:52
you I'll never I'm never ever want to run into him again That was a good subject matter for him something that he would be like just doesn't talk about
00:57:58
every day You first have to make sure that you procure a fair amount of slim gems in the event of apocalypse I put
00:58:06
Triscuits I mean did he respond at all what i mean you really talked about the your preparation for the apocalypse like
00:58:12
for 30 minutes straight for for a good amount of time Uh but then we also talked about the movie The
00:58:17
Edge which is my favorite movie And you know it's a survivalist movie I love movies where people have to survive
00:58:24
things I've seen it at least five times And that's a movie And we told Alec Bowwin that that friends come over or
00:58:30
relatives oh let's watch a movie And and once in a while I go have you seen The Edge they go no I go it's just kind of a
00:58:37
surefire great entertaining film No one cannot lie D one man can do another can
00:58:43
do That's from the movie What one man can do another can do I'm telling you that's gotten me through like big life
00:58:50
moments I love this movie And so we talked about the edge which ended up leading into survivalist stuff into
00:58:59
prepping and and he he was really interested in my currency plans Like what were my plans for currency during
00:59:06
the apocalypse did I have gold bars like and and you know what I to be honest I
00:59:11
hadn't thought of it I hadn't gotten as far as currency Funny when I was there in the fall doing
00:59:17
Biden just behind his decks I saw this whole duffel bag you know it's really big you know and then when he let use
00:59:24
the bathroom it was just all this survival stuff in there He goes by and he pushes a wall and it spins around and
00:59:30
disappears down a slide I want to be ready He was influenced by my by my prep
00:59:35
That Tony Hopkins had that line right what one man can do another man can do Is that Tony Hopkins yes correct And Al
00:59:43
Al Baldwin as Al Baldwin Baldwin was great in that So was Tony Oh my god I
00:59:48
love when people change names Jen Jen was great on our podcast Jen Fisher Does anyone call you Jen no no one's ever
00:59:56
called me Jen Well get ready for it cuz we're We have a lot of follow By the way
01:00:01
people may not know we're on the same network It's almost like television now So that's kind of cool We're We're This
01:00:07
is jury duty for J And I just for people who are watching this or might want to see it So you are you in a studio
01:00:13
somewhere yeah I'm at I'm at your New York um studios Yeah I'm here in New York uh
01:00:21
this week and uh so I came into the New York studio And are you and Angela usually in different places when you do
01:00:27
the podcast and sometimes together or always no we're usually together Um
01:00:32
Odyssey our company that we both work for um has a studio in Hollywood and we usually record there in person together
01:00:39
And and you guys are all set up at home like you guys have cool setups but we
01:00:45
sometimes go in person We've been going in person I I kind of feel like or something It changes a lot When
01:00:52
I was uh doing SNL I was just in a hotel room doing it That's one of the advantages of this is that you can do it
01:00:58
remotely you know but David has a little studio Yeah I just have this stupid mansion
01:01:05
Yeah Um but Jenna thank you for joining us Tell Angela hello And uh we
01:01:11
appreciate your time Mhm Oh guys I don't want it to end I love you I love you
01:01:17
both I love your podcast This is so cool This was a highlight for
01:01:22
me Well everybody enjoyed talking to you I I
01:01:28
just find I I You're always sweet and fun and just like you would think Podcasters actresses and all kinds of
01:01:34
things you do But if you do this well I think you do get a little more inep or adept at doing it you know conversing
01:01:42
and letting it go where it needs to go and asking questions So usually when we have a podcaster on it's it's an easy
01:01:49
show you know I Yeah Right Because you know what you're hoping to get when you're doing it yourself Yeah And it
01:01:56
doesn't have to be electric every moment You don't have to push it It just It just is what it is you know So if we
01:02:02
seem rusty it's because we've only done 2,000 of these
01:02:08
Okay Ashland Avenue Ashlin Avenue uh is the play and she's doing it in Chicago
01:02:14
Mhm And Chicago Tickets on sale June 27th and it starts when August you said
01:02:21
I think a September 15th Okay Yeah September 15th All right Thank you very much Bye sweetheart Very good Don't hang
01:02:28
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01:02:40
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01:02:46
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