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Unsolved Mysteries with Robert Stack - Season 7, Episode 21 - Full Episode

May 23, 2019 / 45:38

This episode covers alien abductions, UFO sightings, and government secrecy, featuring eyewitness accounts and expert opinions on extraterrestrial phenomena.

The episode discusses the Allagash Four, a group of men who claim to have been abducted by aliens during a camping trip in Maine in 1976. They experienced shared nightmares and underwent hypnosis to recover memories of their encounter.

It also highlights the Roswell incident of 1947, where witnesses, including Jesse Marcel Jr. and Glenn Dennis, describe seeing alien bodies and debris. The episode presents conflicting narratives about the government's response to these events.

Additionally, the episode features Bob Lazar, who claims to have worked at Area 51 and witnessed alien spacecraft. His assertions about government cover-ups and advanced technology are discussed.

Throughout the episode, various UFO sightings across the United States are recounted, including the Hudson Valley sightings, illustrating the widespread belief in UFOs among the public.

TL;DR

The episode examines alien abductions, UFO sightings, and government cover-ups, featuring the Allagash Four and Bob Lazar's claims about Area 51.

Episode

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this program is about unsolved mysteries
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whenever possible the actual family
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members and police officials have
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participated in recreating the events
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what you are about to see is not a news
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broadcast tonight a special unsolved
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mysteries report mysteries of alien
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beings who are they and where do they
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come from are they real or imagined in
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recent years hundreds of people have
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come forward with startling accounts of
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abduction by alien beings even though
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the descriptions are strikingly similar
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there is no hard evidence as such beings
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actually exist for many abductees the
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memories are triggered by a vivid dream
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I was starting to have nightmares really
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terrible nightmares that I could not
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explain but I found myself in a very
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brightly lit room I had no idea where I
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was or why I was there to my left I
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could see my brother Jim Chuck Rach and
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Charlie Pfalz sitting on some type of
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bench and they were all naked and while
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I'm trying to figure this out I notice
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this figure or a dark shadowy type
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figure emerging from the this light this
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bright light in front of me wasn't like
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other nightmares where you have some
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strange dumb dream or something and you
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forget about it the next day
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this would stick with me for days and
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days it was like I couldn't think about
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anything else I couldn't function it was
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horrible not so long ago it seemed
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inconceivable that aliens and UFOs had
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become the topics of everyday
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conversation yet a recent poll reveal
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that nearly half of all Americans now
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believe that UFOs are real
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in the next hour a new in-depth look but
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maybe the most remarkable phenomena of
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our range
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we'll take you to area 51 a top-secret
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military installation tucked away in the
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remote Nevada desert you'll meet a man
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who claims that he worked near area 51
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witnessed the test flight of alien
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spacecraft for almost 50 years the
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so-called Roswell incident is fascinated
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and confounded UFO researchers tonight
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in an exclusive update a new eyewitness
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accounts suggest that the Army did in
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fact recover the bodies of alien beings
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in 1947 and the fantastic saga of the
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allagash war four young men who claim
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that they were abducted by aliens during
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a camping trip in the main wilderness
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their chilling story may seem
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unbelievable but more and more people
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have become convinced that such accounts
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are based in fact not fiction join us
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for the special report mysteries of
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alien be
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[Music]
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[Music]
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it scared us we didn't know what it was
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or didn't know what to think about it
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just like dumb fathers we were just like
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at all there was no wings
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there was no motors there was no
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propeller
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I know it wasn't the planet Venus and I
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know it was not atmospheric phenomena
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these were some kind of craft moving
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over our house I notice two cigarette
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like shape things with the hump in the
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middle so the hair is that
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there's no way of knowing how many
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people believe that they've actually
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seen a UFO from outer space but it seems
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safe to assume the reliable sightings
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now number well into the thousands
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typically a sighting involves a single
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eyewitness in other cases a small group
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will see the same thing at the same time
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in the most traumatic episodes an entire
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community will report seeing the same
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object in the sky for weeks months or
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even years that is exactly what happened
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over New York's Hudson Valley between
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1983 and 1986
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perhaps no account was more convincing
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than that of Ed Burns a computer
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engineer
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out of nowhere I got a lot of static on
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the radio I got I thought maybe I was on
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the wrong number and I went over to turn
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the dial again and that's when I looked
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up and saw this craft
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it was a triangular Chevron shipment and
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the back of that Chevron had to be as
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large as a football field at least it
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was one solid piece of a chevron shape
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the wedge-shaped chevron of G described
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by many Hudson Valley eyewitnesses was
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no stranger to UFO historians it first
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appeared in 1947 when a pirate named
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Kenneth army claimed that he encountered
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not one but nine mysterious flying
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objects on a search and rescue mission
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over Washington State when a headline
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writer tried to describe an Arnold saw
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he coined the phrase flying saucer and
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helped launch the modern era of UFOs
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soon people all over the country were
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reporting UFO sightings but by the early
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1950s the Air Force had reached the
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conclusion the correct conclusion in my
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opinion that all UFO reports were
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explainable in down-to-earth prosaic
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terms but some of the more impressive
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encounters could not be explained when a
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wave of UFOs swarmed over the small town
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of Lubbock Texas in 1951 a County
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student named Carl Hart jr. took a
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remarkable series of photographs
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incredibly more than 30 years later the
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same v-shaped lights were described by
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many of the Hudson Valley eyewitnesses
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are the striking similarity to
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coincidence wishful thinking or perhaps
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part of an unmistakable pattern the
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stretches back hundreds of years there
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are many things that happen in the
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distant past that we are never going to
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understand fully in fact when you go
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into history and into folklore you get
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intriguing accounts of odd phenomena
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seen in the sky
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this antique German woodcut depicts a
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quote frightful spectacle that occurred
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in Nuremberg in 1561 could it be that
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the random chaos of lights and symbols
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depicted here is a same phenomenon that
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was photographed in the skies over
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Canada in 1974 more than 400 years later
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this Renaissance painting of Madonna and
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child seems perfectly normal
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however closer inspection reveals a
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strange craft hovering in the background
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with an Earthbound observer witnessing
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the event for many historians
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comparisons between past and present
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suggest that UFOs are not restricted to
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the modern age strange globes seen over
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Basel Switzerland in 1566 a photograph
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taken in Salem Massachusetts 1952 a
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French token minted in the 1680s seems
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to show the underside of a circular
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object floating in the sky
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could it be the same up describe during
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the 1980s by a group of American airmen
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stationed in England it seems amazing to
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scientists that if you take all these
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UFO reports at face value
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that all the visitors have somehow
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managed to clean up after themselves
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perfectly how come we have never had any
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picnic garbage we've never had a left
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over calling card a shred of clothing a
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piece of the spaceship some of their
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motor oil drop dripping on the ground
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nothing which could then be tested in
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our laboratories and clearly established
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as alien but many researchers believe
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the government does have proof of alien
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contact and has had it since 1947 when
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this startling headline appeared in the
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Roswell New Mexico Daily Record
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the story began with a violent storm on
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July 2nd 1947 a few days later a local
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rancher led two military officers to a
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pasture where something had crashed
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during the storm why did you stay there
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mr. Randall lieutenant major Jesse
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Marcel senior an intelligence officer
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and combat pilot was unable to identify
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the debris years after this instant
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happened we would talk privately among
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ourselves about what the possibilities
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of this what this thing was and I feel
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that we well I know that we came to the
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conclusion it was not of earthly origin
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Jesse Marcel jr. was 11 years old at the
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time and vividly remembers a night his
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father brought pieces of the wreckage
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home he is one of the few people still
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living that claims to have handled the
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debris Marcel recalls it the most
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remarkable fragment was a short piece of
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Ivy covered with strange symbols and
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embossed markings it's like some kind of
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hieroglyphics this writing could be
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described as like hieroglyphics egyptian
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type of hard looks but not really the
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symbols are in the eye beams were more
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of a geometric type configuration in
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various designs
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it had a violet purple type color and
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was actually an embossed part of the
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metal itself
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other witnesses have claimed that the
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army not only recovered the wreckage of
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a UFO the bodies of its occupants
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captain Pappy Henderson was stationed at
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Roswell in 1947 two years before he died
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he described what he saw to his wife my
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husband told me the bodies were small
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smaller than human bodies the heads were
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larger and the eyes were rather sunken
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and a little slanted clothing was of
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material unlike anything he'd seen
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before they were strange they were not
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not of this earth
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when my husband he was a man of truth
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who was trusted with 29 different army
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aircraft planes first pilot aircraft
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commander tells me this story I believed
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him
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shortly after the details of the crash
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remains a story they admitted to making
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a grave mistake and announced that the
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flying saucer wreckage was in fact
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debris from a downed weather balloon
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for almost 50 years the events that took
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place at Roswell in the official
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explanation fueled suspicions and
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charges of cover-up as recently as
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September 8 1994 the Air Force released
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yet another report stating at the rumors
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of alien contact were groundless in
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spite of these assertions witnesses
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continued to come forward insisting that
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the reports are true of all the new
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accounts the story related by a man
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named Glenn Dennis is too compelling to
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be ignored in 1947 when Dennis was 22
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years old and just out of college that
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summer he was working as a morticians
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assistant at a funeral home in Roseville
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two days before the saucer story broke
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dennis received a strange phone call
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from the Roswell Air Base Mallard
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funeral home he's not in but this is
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Glen Dennis can I help you yes sir he
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was wanting to know what size
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hermetically sealed baby kaskus do we
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have did we have pacifically three feet
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six inches or did we have maybe no
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larger than a four foot hermetically
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sealed casket that afternoon Glen Dennis
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was called a transport an injured airman
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to the Roswell base when he arrived he
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was surprised to find the base in firmer
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he's surrounded by MPs two ambulances
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parked at the curb immediately drew
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Glen's attention
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I looked into the ambulance I saw quite
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a bit of wreckage of some type it looked
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like stainless steel that had become in
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contact with the high degree of heat it
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was a purplish bluish color I noticed
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one large piece of the wreckage could
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look like the listing Egyptian
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hieroglyphics
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[Applause]
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the confusion at that day that I was out
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there was so great but I don't think
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anyone really knew what the other man
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was doing and I don't think they even
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knew each other
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I think they were brought in from
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different military bases or whatever sir
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is there anything you want me to do can
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I help you I'm Glenn Dennis with a
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Ballard funeral home when we have a
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contract with the base well this area is
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off-limits today yeah but there was a
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crash outside do you want me to go back
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and get ready or anything son this is an
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off-limits area today you're not allowed
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in here sergeant escort this man back to
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the funeral home two MPs came up and
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said sir we have to ask you me of I hold
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it right there bring that man back here
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and you get this straight and you get
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back to town you didn't hear anything
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and you didn't see anything because
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nothing happened here do you understand
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me
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that's not true I just saw crash shots
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nothing happened
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you can't tell me what to do I'm a
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civilian oh really and that's when he
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said let mr. somebody'd be picking your
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bones out of the sand if you go stirred
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up a lot of revelers you got me get him
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out of here
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there's a door opened into one of the
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supply room and the nurse that I knew
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personally was coming out something very
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drastically was wrong at the base
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naturally I'd you know was curious and
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mad and couldn't believe what was
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happening so the first person I thought
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I was to contact a nurse to see what she
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might know and she could she bring me up
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to date on what was going on as Glenn
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Dennis was being escorted from the
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Roswell infirmary by two MPs a group of
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doctors stumbled out of a storeroom
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overcome by noxious fumes with them was
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a nurse with Glenn recognized hoping to
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find an explanation for the strange
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events at the base Glenn Dennis asked
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the nurse if she would meet with him the
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next day the nurse agreed on the
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condition that Glenn never reveal her
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identity yesterday I went into the
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supply room to pick up some bandages and
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there were two offices there who ordered
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me to take notes during this what she
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said that she saw that they were doing a
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partial autopsy and there were these two
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old Hospital Gurney's with these two
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little crash bags on top there was the
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crash bag it was open and there was two
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very mutilated very small bodies they
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weren't children I never seen anything
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like that and then one of the officers
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had these long forceps I turned a hand
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over that had been severed and they were
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explaining that it was a very
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and only four fingers I get armed with
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some four fingers cups the head was very
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large the eyes were set back they didn't
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have the ear lobes or anything there was
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like two canals like two year canals
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there was only two offices where the
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nose the mouth she explained and what
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she said she wrote down was only like an
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inch slit they described there was no
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teeth it was just like a piece of
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cartilage maybe and they opened the next
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back and there was a whole creature in
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there that wasn't mutilated it was just
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horrible I've never seen anything like
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that in my life you know the nurse
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claimed to have seen three bodies she
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was adamant but none of them was earthly
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in origin after Glenn left the nurse he
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returned to his office when he casually
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unfolded the newspaper on his desk
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it was the infamous edition of the
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Roswell Daily Record Glenn never saw the
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nurse again a few weeks later rumors
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circulated that she had died in a plane
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crash after being transferred out of the
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country to this day Glenn Dennis remains
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convinced that the details of her story
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are true there had to be some type of a
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body prints and they had to be something
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there I don't think the nurse lied about
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cuz I don't think she knew how to lie in
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the first place and I just think
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something happened very unusual and it I
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don't I doubt very seriously if the
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world will ever know what happened I'm
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absolutely convinced that the Roswell
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events crystallized government secrecy
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about UFOs
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I think Roswell became important to the
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military because possibly for the first
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time they actually could get their hands
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on the remains of a flying saucer they
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had the debris they had bodies they had
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possibly the remains of propulsion unit
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this was an unprecedented opportunity
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600 miles west of Roswell somewhere in
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the midst of the vast Nevada desert is a
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top-secret military installation it's
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been called the ranch the funny fun
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dreamland groom Lake and most commonly
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area 51
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it doesn't appear on any map and
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although it can be seen with a naked eye
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from an adjoining ridge the Air Force
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insists that area 51 does not exist it's
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been there since the 1960s and it's a
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site where extremely advanced aviation
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technology has tested usually under
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cover of darkness some of these objects
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actually look like what people have
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reported as UFOs this amateur video was
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shot near area 51 using a special
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digital zoom lens skeptics say the
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strange lights seen here and in other
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videos are experimental military
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aircraft but others remain convinced
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that they are in reality the test
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flights of alien spacecraft the only
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thing I was told is that I was going to
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be working on an advanced propulsion
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system Bob Lazar says he worked for six
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months at a secret installation near
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area 51 something different than a jet
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or rocket something different than a
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propeller which I thought was fantastic
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that was exactly what I was interested
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in I had no idea that this was of
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extraterrestrial origin as astonishing
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as it may seem Bob Lazar claims that the
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United States government is in
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possession of alien spacecraft
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one of them nicknamed the sport model
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measures fifty two point eight feet in
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diameter Lazar claims he witnessed a
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test flight in March of 1989 the flight
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of the disc was short the bottom of the
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disc itself glowed a very faint blue as
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it rose to about twenty or thirty feet
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the sound dissipated and it was
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completely silent and and hung silently
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in the air which was which was quite a
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sight for something that size it moved
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very slowly over to the left very slowly
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over to the right and then sat back down
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it was very uneventful well as
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uneventful as a flying saucer tests
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could be well some charge at Bob Lazar
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is a fraud and lacks scientific
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credentials others maintained that his
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story is essentially true in the five
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years I've been working on this I've
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accumulated approximately two dozen
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other witnesses who will corroborate the
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story people who worked at at Groom Lake
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and area 51 in the 50s 60s 70s and 80s
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all of whom have different bits and
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pieces that would tend to corroborate
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people who have seen the flying discs
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people who have worked at the base and
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watched the tests people that have been
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told by the superior officers that these
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things came from somewhere else
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what unsolved mysteries asked the
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airforce about area 51 they refused to
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acknowledge its existence Bob Lazar
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believes that the Shroud of official
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secrecy is hiding much more than alien
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spacecraft I did have the opportunity to
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view autopsy photos and when they were
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taken I couldn't I couldn't even guess
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they were black and white the being was
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dead it was it was only an upper chest
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photograph of the being it has its chest
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was cut in a T fashion with the skin
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pulled back and what was removed was one
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large Oregon I think the situation has
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become more complex as the years have
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passed since there seems to be the
00:24:24
possibility that we're dealing not just
00:24:26
with one species of extraterrestrial but
00:24:28
possibly several who may have several
00:24:31
motives any discussion of the possible
00:24:34
mode
00:24:35
of extraterrestrials who may be visiting
00:24:38
the earth is purely speculative we have
00:24:41
no way of knowing but if UFO reports are
00:24:45
taken literally they certainly do
00:24:48
suggest that we are dealing with a
00:24:51
technological civilization in other
00:24:53
words a civilization with an advanced
00:24:55
scientific knowledge you don't get
00:24:58
advanced scientific knowledge without a
00:25:00
great degree of curiosity I would expect
00:25:04
that an extraterrestrial civilization
00:25:05
would visit the earth for exactly the
00:25:08
same reason we visit the remote outposts
00:25:11
of our own planet to learn things
00:25:19
the implications are almost impossible
00:25:21
to comprehend skeptics maintain of the
00:25:24
very concept of alien contact is absurd
00:25:26
but others suggest that the evidence can
00:25:29
no longer be ignored in recent years
00:25:32
hundreds of credible ordinary people
00:25:34
have come forward with alarming reports
00:25:36
of being taken aboard alien spacecraft
00:25:38
against their will in a moment the
00:25:41
remarkable story of four men who
00:25:43
believed they shared a close encounter
00:25:45
of the Fourth Kind alien abduction I was
00:25:57
starting to have nightmares really
00:25:59
terrible nightmares that I could not
00:26:01
explain I found myself in a very
00:26:04
brightly lit room I had no idea where I
00:26:10
was or why I was there
00:26:12
to my left I could see my brother Jim
00:26:17
Chuck rack and Charlie Falk sitting on
00:26:20
some type of bench and they were all
00:26:22
naked
00:26:25
I was wondering why they weren't helping
00:26:32
me because I felt like I was in danger
00:26:34
and while I'm trying to figure this out
00:26:37
I noticed this figure or a dark shadowy
00:26:42
type figure emerging from the this light
00:26:46
this bright light in front of me I would
00:26:51
wake up the sweating and breathing
00:26:55
heavily and just in a state of terror
00:26:58
and shock for years
00:27:04
Jack Weiner told no one about the
00:27:06
nightmares except his wife married then
00:27:08
in late 1988 Jack's twin brother Jim
00:27:11
confessed that he was being haunted by
00:27:13
the same disturbing nightmares they
00:27:17
started happening more and more often
00:27:19
and they and they seemed to be becoming
00:27:21
more and more real in terms of what I
00:27:24
was remembering about these things there
00:27:26
were always certain elements of the
00:27:28
dream that were the same some type of
00:27:30
creature and being helpless being
00:27:34
violated was a feeling I often woke up
00:27:37
with it was a real surprise to find out
00:27:41
that Jim was having identical dreams
00:27:45
because I didn't want to talk about my
00:27:47
dreams except to Mary and then when I
00:27:50
found out he was having him it was like
00:27:52
wow something is going on here but we
00:27:55
just couldn't put our fingers on it
00:28:00
in every dream
00:28:02
the twins were with Charlie Fulton Chuck
00:28:04
RAC two friends yet met in art school
00:28:06
the twins began to wonder if their
00:28:09
nightmares could be connected to a
00:28:10
bizarre experience the four-minute share
00:28:13
twelve years earlier during a camping
00:28:15
trip in Maine in August of 1976 Charlie
00:28:21
Chuck Jack and Jim spent two weeks along
00:28:24
the allagash wilderness waterway the
00:28:27
allagash covers thousands of acres in
00:28:29
the northernmost part of the state one
00:28:32
of the area's most prominent features is
00:28:34
a mountain named by the Abenaki Indians
00:28:36
they called it Katahdin to them it is a
00:28:39
sacred place
00:28:42
on the second night out Jim noticed a
00:28:46
bright object in the sky right over
00:28:48
there it was just floating above the
00:28:51
treetops that didn't seem to be moving
00:28:53
in any direction and I looked at it
00:28:57
through the binoculars for maybe 15
00:28:59
seconds 30 seconds and it suddenly just
00:29:02
winked out from the outside edges inward
00:29:05
it's gone where is it I mean it
00:29:09
literally just went like that and it was
00:29:12
gone
00:29:14
I thought maybe it was a weather balloon
00:29:16
or perhaps a helicopter that had just
00:29:19
turned a light off it was flying over
00:29:21
but there was something about this thing
00:29:24
that left me with an odd feeling that
00:29:26
wasn't quite right but I really didn't
00:29:28
dwell on it
00:29:31
huh let's get that 10 up
00:29:33
[Music]
00:29:37
the men continued through the allagash
00:29:39
wilderness on the fourth day they
00:29:42
decided to try some night fishing
00:29:44
they built a bonfire to mark their
00:29:46
campsite that far north at night it is
00:29:51
pitch black and we had a nice good-sized
00:29:55
fire going not too large that it would
00:29:58
get out of control and burn the forest
00:30:01
but it was it was borderline you know it
00:30:04
was it was a fairly good fire that would
00:30:07
have lasted for hours bare minimum and
00:30:12
then we struck out on to the lake just
00:30:15
as it was getting dark Chuck ruck was
00:30:18
the first to realize the wart alone I
00:30:21
had a feeling that there was someone
00:30:23
staring at me from behind me I turned
00:30:27
over my right shoulder like that and I
00:30:31
saw this large round globe of light that
00:30:35
looked exactly like what we had seen two
00:30:37
nights previously hey guys look at that
00:30:42
it was a type of a thing where we didn't
00:30:45
have to ask what or where we just seemed
00:30:48
to know where he was looking and we all
00:30:51
have turned and looked it had this
00:30:53
roiling effect to it like a miniature
00:30:56
Sun very very bright it lit the tree
00:30:58
tops up like daylight and it was
00:31:01
absolutely silent
00:31:03
after looking at it for what seemed like
00:31:06
several moments we decided to signal
00:31:09
this thing and that's when Charlie
00:31:11
picked up the flashlight and squeezed
00:31:14
off a message SOS the response was
00:31:19
instant the sensation I had was one of
00:31:25
absolute elation I couldn't believe that
00:31:28
that we were really going to find out
00:31:30
what it was we attended to communicate
00:31:32
with it and it actually was responding
00:31:35
well when when the light started coming
00:31:38
toward us my curiosity was satisfied and
00:31:42
I I just dropped the flash like the only
00:31:45
fight in my mind was to get to shore I
00:31:47
never looked back I remember looking
00:31:53
over my shoulder trying to keep an eye
00:31:56
on this object as it was coming up
00:31:58
behind us and and it was getting very
00:32:00
close I mean it was almost on top of us
00:32:03
at this point and I remember thinking
00:32:04
that we're not gonna outrun this thing
00:32:06
there's just no way it was coming too
00:32:09
quickly
00:32:18
the next memory any of the men had was
00:32:21
being back on shore staring up at the
00:32:23
bright object is opposing for a portrait
00:32:28
I remember thinking my god I could pick
00:32:32
up a stone and bounce it off the side of
00:32:34
this thing that's how close it was I
00:32:36
picked up the flashlight again and
00:32:39
flashed at it a second time this time
00:32:43
there was no response from it it seemed
00:32:46
to just drift away from us as it was
00:32:50
moving up it seemed to implode somehow
00:32:53
and and it shrank and then all of a
00:32:56
sudden at a higher level it it
00:32:59
reappeared again and then all of a
00:33:05
sudden it just streaked away very very
00:33:09
fast and within a few seconds it was
00:33:11
like a star just another light in the
00:33:13
sky
00:33:13
I remember get stepping out of the canoe
00:33:17
and going up to the campsite and I
00:33:21
remember there was no panic people
00:33:24
seemed to be very relaxed guys about
00:33:29
this fire it's out all the men agree
00:33:32
that they were out of the lake for less
00:33:33
than 20 minutes
00:33:34
the huge bonfires had ablaze bright for
00:33:37
hours yet inexplicably only coals remain
00:33:45
the unusual thing is that we didn't stay
00:33:48
up for hours and discuss this thing
00:33:50
which is what you would think you know
00:33:52
for young guys on a camping trip would
00:33:54
do and we just seemed very fatigued and
00:33:58
we just wanted to go to bed the next
00:34:00
morning we got up and got our camp
00:34:02
together and and paddled to the next
00:34:05
campsite
00:34:07
the men spent another 10 days in the
00:34:10
allagash wilderness but never again saw
00:34:12
the bizarre light as a years went by
00:34:15
they told friends and family about the
00:34:17
UFO but no one really believed them the
00:34:20
men could hardly believe it themselves
00:34:22
then the nightmares began for Jim and
00:34:26
Jack Weiner
00:34:27
finally Jim contacted UFO researcher ray
00:34:30
Fowler for help Fowler suggested the
00:34:34
allagash four undergo hypnosis with a
00:34:36
trained hypnotherapist to recover
00:34:38
details of the sighting therapist
00:34:40
pregnant
00:34:41
Fowler has since written a book about
00:34:43
the case called the allagash abductions
00:34:48
from the beginning Ray Fowler suspected
00:34:52
the men had been abducted by a UFO but
00:34:54
did not tell them one by one they under
00:34:58
what hypnosis they all promise not to
00:35:01
tell each other about what they recall
00:35:02
until all the sessions were complete
00:35:05
each of the men Jim Weiner Chuck Rach
00:35:09
Jack Weiner and Charlie folks described
00:35:13
would appears to be a classic abduction
00:35:14
experience
00:35:17
afterward each of them drew
00:35:19
illustrations of their incredible
00:35:21
recollections these are their actual
00:35:23
paintings and drawings all four said
00:35:28
they were taken aboard the craft the
00:35:30
aliens forced them to strip naked and
00:35:32
seemed to be conducting medical
00:35:33
examinations the aliens apparently took
00:35:37
samples of the men's skin and body
00:35:39
fluids their blood urine and semen what
00:35:43
follows are excerpts from the original
00:35:45
hypnosis sessions recorded in 1988 know
00:35:53
what to do I think they think I'm gonna
00:35:55
come after I feel like I want to I feel
00:36:00
like I wanna the first one that comes
00:36:03
near me I'm gonna throttle him that's
00:36:06
what I want to do is throttle him I
00:36:08
don't like these things
00:36:10
I don't care where they come from I
00:36:14
shouldn't be doing this to people
00:36:19
Jim's brother Jack found the faces
00:36:22
terrifying right there their face is
00:36:29
right in my face I don't know why I
00:36:34
don't want to know I don't want to know
00:36:38
what they want they're saying things
00:36:48
there
00:36:53
explaining things with their eyes
00:37:01
in my head
00:37:05
they're saying
00:37:07
don't be afraid
00:37:12
don't be afraid
00:37:15
we won't harm you
00:37:19
they say do what we say
00:37:26
just do what we say
00:37:30
Charlie folks was the next to be
00:37:33
examined I'm afraid and
00:37:41
it's like a doctor's office
00:37:48
it's cold like a doctor's office is cold
00:37:54
they put the panel over your chest
00:38:01
and I scrape your arms
00:38:05
your chest
00:38:07
their legs and thighs
00:38:12
you shouldn't be here I just keep
00:38:18
thinking I'd be back in the canoe Chuck
00:38:23
RAC had a good view of what the aliens
00:38:25
were doing the German
00:38:28
see some sort of device on him they've
00:38:33
got a looks like a silvery and it looks
00:38:38
like they like it's got curves on it
00:38:41
it's almost like like it sucks something
00:38:46
he's got his head tipped away back it's
00:38:51
almost like he's in pain we're just
00:38:55
there or we can't help them we're just
00:39:00
all we can do is watch him I don't know
00:39:08
if you were aware of it you probably
00:39:09
opted because you haven't been talking
00:39:11
to each other after the hypnosis
00:39:13
sessions we great Fowler brought the
00:39:15
allagash four together for the first
00:39:17
time they discovered that each of them
00:39:19
to recall the same horrifying events
00:39:22
experiences we were amazed that Jack
00:39:25
would say something about how he
00:39:26
remembered the light or Chuck Rach would
00:39:29
say something that he remembered or
00:39:30
Charlie would say and we'd sit there my
00:39:33
god that's exactly what we remember one
00:39:36
person would pause to take a breath and
00:39:38
the next person would pick up and you
00:39:41
knew what they were gonna say you know
00:39:43
what they were gonna say and when they
00:39:45
pause for breath you could continue it
00:39:47
was just amazing to come to the
00:39:49
realizations that all these things were
00:39:52
really true and that they they really
00:39:54
had meeting and and it was also kind of
00:39:57
nice to know that I wasn't going insane
00:39:59
having these nightmares that they were
00:40:02
in fact memory real memories of an event
00:40:05
that did happen
00:40:07
ultimately each of the allagash four
00:40:09
took polygraph tests and passed easily
00:40:12
it is clear that they believe their
00:40:14
memories are real to skeptics however
00:40:17
stories of alien abduction do not stand
00:40:19
up to scrutiny some suggested images
00:40:23
from a popular culture like these scenes
00:40:25
from the 1953 science-fiction movie
00:40:28
invaders from Mars may be the
00:40:30
inspiration from memories of alien
00:40:32
abduction some of the stories that you
00:40:36
hear about abductions are right out of
00:40:38
the films I mean almost verbatim dr.
00:40:41
William Coleman is a clinical
00:40:43
psychologist who specializes in the
00:40:45
study of repressed memory and hypnotic
00:40:47
therapies media-driven it's cyclic all
00:40:50
you get some good cases on TV people
00:40:53
hear about them they think they may have
00:40:54
had the same thing happen it sort of
00:40:57
feeds upon itself usually these are
00:40:59
people have no interest in abductions
00:41:00
and not read about or even unfamiliar
00:41:03
with the nature of the beings and are
00:41:05
shocked and astounded when they hear
00:41:07
someone else has had these experiences
00:41:09
as well or that there is material in the
00:41:11
media about it my experience of what's
00:41:14
going on is the investigators have a
00:41:16
very clear-cut agenda about what they're
00:41:18
what they're looking for so if you get
00:41:20
somebody that's doing UFO abduction
00:41:23
research this is a person that generally
00:41:25
has already decided that UFO abductions
00:41:27
are real that thousands of people are
00:41:29
having them they have a symptom list and
00:41:31
if you come in the door with those
00:41:32
symptoms then you must have been
00:41:34
abducted it really doesn't work like
00:41:36
that the person comes because they've
00:41:38
heard that I'm open to listen to
00:41:43
something which other therapists or
00:41:46
other mental health professionals have
00:41:49
not been able to listen to they're
00:41:53
highly doubtful they don't want this to
00:41:55
be true this is not a club anyone wants
00:41:58
to belong to
00:42:01
if you were to tell somebody 40 years
00:42:05
ago that they would be able to see on an
00:42:08
invention called a television set which
00:42:11
didn't exist a meteorite crashing into a
00:42:15
planet that they can now watch at home
00:42:17
that's a reality check folks and yet 40
00:42:22
years ago of that science fiction this
00:42:25
happened if you believe it that's all
00:42:28
right if you don't believe it
00:42:30
I don't care I don't care because it did
00:42:37
when the Greek philosopher Aristotle
00:42:39
first suggested that the world was wrong
00:42:42
skeptics dismissed at his fantasy when
00:42:45
Copernicus theorize of the Sun not the
00:42:47
earth was a center of our solar system
00:42:49
many considered it heresy when Jules
00:42:53
Verne wrote that a human being would
00:42:55
someday travel to the moon science
00:42:58
rejected it as pure fiction perhaps the
00:43:01
day will come when our beliefs about the
00:43:03
existence of UFOs and alien encounters
00:43:06
undergo a similar transformation we have
00:43:11
these two camps the scientists searching
00:43:14
for life among the stars and the UFO
00:43:16
believers thinking that they've already
00:43:18
landed I think in both cases we share
00:43:21
the dream the dream is that were not
00:43:24
alone in the universe that we have if
00:43:27
not brothers and sisters
00:43:29
perhaps cousins out among the stars
00:43:33
publicly the scientific community
00:43:36
remains skeptical privately however they
00:43:39
are working to achieve contact
00:43:42
Mercer anticipates it within the next
00:43:44
decade the Voyager 1 space probe will
00:43:47
become the first human artifact ever to
00:43:49
leave our solar system on board is a
00:43:52
message in a bond that has been dropped
00:43:54
into the vastness of space as the
00:43:58
Secretary General of the United Nations
00:43:59
an organization of 147 member states who
00:44:04
represent almost all of the human
00:44:06
inhabitants of the planet Earth I send
00:44:09
greetings on behalf of the people of our
00:44:12
planet
00:44:14
[Music]
00:44:19
it is either the greatest hoax in human
00:44:22
history an unprecedented mass
00:44:24
hallucination Oh perhaps single most
00:44:28
important event since of dawn of
00:44:30
civilization for the hardened skeptic
00:44:33
proof will remain elusive until an alien
00:44:36
spacecraft is placed on public display
00:44:38
an extraterrestrial appears on the
00:44:40
evening news until that moment one of
00:44:44
the greatest mysteries of our age will
00:44:46
remain unseen
00:44:52
[Music]
00:45:15
[Applause]
00:45:18
[Music]

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Episode Highlights

  • Mysteries of Alien Beings
    Exploring the existence of aliens and the phenomenon of abduction, with many believing in their reality.
    “Are they real or imagined?”
    @ 00m 25s
    May 23, 2019
  • The Roswell Incident
    A deep dive into the 1947 Roswell crash and the ensuing cover-up claims, suggesting alien bodies were recovered.
    “I know that we came to the conclusion it was not of earthly origin.”
    @ 10m 23s
    May 23, 2019
  • Area 51 and UFOs
    An exploration of Area 51, its secrecy, and claims of alien spacecraft testing.
    “The Air Force insists that Area 51 does not exist.”
    @ 21m 07s
    May 23, 2019
  • The Allagash Four's Nightmares
    Jack and Jim Weiner discover they share identical nightmares, leading to a search for answers.
    “It was a real surprise to find out that Jim was having identical dreams.”
    @ 27m 41s
    May 23, 2019
  • The Bizarre Light
    During a camping trip, the men witness a strange light in the sky that vanishes unexpectedly.
    “It literally just went like that and it was gone.”
    @ 29m 09s
    May 23, 2019
  • Hypnosis Reveals the Truth
    Under hypnosis, the Allagash Four recall a terrifying alien abduction experience.
    “It was just amazing to come to the realizations that all these things were really true.”
    @ 39m 52s
    May 23, 2019

Episode Quotes

  • I was starting to have nightmares really terrible nightmares that I could not explain.
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  • It was like I couldn’t think about anything else I couldn’t function.
    Unsolved Mysteries with Robert Stack - Season 7, Episode 21 - Full Episode
  • I absolutely convinced that the Roswell events crystallized government secrecy about UFOs.
    Unsolved Mysteries with Robert Stack - Season 7, Episode 21 - Full Episode
  • I feel like I wanna throttle him.
    Unsolved Mysteries with Robert Stack - Season 7, Episode 21 - Full Episode
  • Don't be afraid, we won't harm you.
    Unsolved Mysteries with Robert Stack - Season 7, Episode 21 - Full Episode

Key Moments

  • Unsolved Mysteries00:03
  • Alien Abduction Accounts00:36
  • Roswell Cover-Up20:06
  • Area 51 Secrets20:52
  • Camping Trip28:15
  • Strange Light28:51
  • Alien Examination35:30
  • Shared Memories39:17

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Unsolved Mysteries with Robert Stack - Season 6, Episode 17 - Full Episode
Unsolved Mysteries with Dennis Farina - Season 3, Episode 3
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Unsolved Mysteries with Robert Stack - Season 2, Episode 15 - Full Episodes
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