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this program is about unsolved mysteries
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whenever possible the actual family
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members and police officials have
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participated in recreating the events
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what you are about to see is not a news
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broadcast
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Charlie Sigmund lived in Blytheville
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Arkansas he was a kind man with strong
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religious beliefs but Charlie was a man
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unlucky in love married and divorced
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twice he despaired of finding the right
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woman until he met at a ham this time
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Charlie thought he had finally found
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happiness he was wrong during the early
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morning of October 20th 1986 Charlie
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Sigmund was shot seven times
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Charlie was laying facedown on the
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carpet quite a bit of blood up under his
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clothes were in disarray as he'd been in
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a fight he was soaking wet with sweat
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and course his bloody Anne was separated
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from Charlie he was killed in the home
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of her new boyfriend Gary golf and
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admitted at the time but Charlie had
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been shot by her boyfriend
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but the police are divided about the
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circumstances of Charlie's Sigmund's
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death was his self-defense
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was it murder tonight we'll examine this
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case in two other mysteries it won't a
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loving reliable family man walked away
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from his home and simply disappeared
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police fear he may have amnesia the
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other involves yaagh memory lapse is
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called missing time experienced by over
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200 Americans incredibly they claim they
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were abducted by UFO aliens sounds
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outrageous but many are credible
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citizens and their claims cannot be
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easily dismissed join me you may be able
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to help solve honest
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Charlie Sigmund loved children and when
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he fell in love with a and he also fell
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in love with her two boys he wanted the
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best for his new family and shortly
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after his marries Charlie sold his small
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house and moved an inner children to a
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nine acre truck farm
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Charlie named the farm after his and
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hands initials CNAs a name that he felt
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symbolized his happy marriage they
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worked side by side and I know this got
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to been
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got to have been some love there
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somewhere those two children is what
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drew he and Ann together and they were
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so crazy about Charlie and he watched
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those children after all of these things
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things that have happened and I can look
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back now I can see that she was
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feathering her knee as she got stranger
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is something I've never been able put my
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finger on but she just didn't see him
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Charlie's time ever from day one from
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the day I met her I mean he was crazy
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about her and I wouldn't say anything
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against her but she just never seemed
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his type during the summer of 1986
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Charlie began to suspect that Ann was
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seeing another man he'd had suspicions
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about her being involved with somebody
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else and he said that he'd been watching
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her she had disappeared one night had
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come back and then he woke up another
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night and she was gone and he thought
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she had taken off again well he got up
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his clothes on
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and she wasn't in the house
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we saw a light under the door of the
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refrigerator oh [Â __Â ] they kept their
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vegetables and stuff in he went out open
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the door and she was sitting in the
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floor and a negligee way describe to me
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about half naked
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she had a semi-circle candles around her
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had a poster or a drawing or something
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of a satan light figure on the wall was
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chanting which he didn't understand
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and they had a confrontation they went
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into the house and he nikka way further
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than that
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I didn't ask and he said I'm not gonna
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tell you mother how he was straight as
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she was dressed and I'm not gonna tell
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you what I all I saw but he said she
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does not worship God three weeks earlier
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Charlie had found this doll in their
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bedroom and said that Ann had told him
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it was used in her witchcraft rituals
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and he said mother you don't realize
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what that is do you know I said what is
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it he said that is a doll that they use
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in their worship he said look at that
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needle in through the heart that's drawn
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on that and he said I when I woke up
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when I found that he said it was laying
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on my pillow
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disturbed by Ann's behavior charlie
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demanded that she move out
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she went to nearby Caruthersville
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Missouri to live with Gary Goff
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a truck driver who had once been a
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policeman ironically Charlie had known
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Gary since childhood but most upsetting
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to Charlie was a tan had taken her two
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children with her these events took
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their toll on Charlie he became
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depressed he missed his wife and her two
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boys he still talked to Anne
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occasionally and according to some
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friends had then received threatening
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calls from Gary on the night of October
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19 1986 Charlie is with an old friend at
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home when he received a phone call from
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an fearing publicity Charlie's friend
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prefers to remain anonymous she said
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that the two boys was crying after him
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she was threatening suicide and he said
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that he had to go up there and see what
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was happening he said I could be getting
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set up
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Charlie reluctantly agreed to drive to
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Ann's according to his friend Charlie
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was quite sober he thought of taking a
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pistol along but reconsidered
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3:20 a.m. at same night and Sigmund
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reported the shooting of her husband at
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Gary Goff's house the Caruthersville
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Police Department conducted a crime
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scene investigation my house was to a
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park it was been a very bad struggle in
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there his blood all over the door the
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walls and a couple of bullet holes in
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the walls and one of the door I
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mentioned there were seven bullet wounds
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in the body there were two bullet holes
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on the inside of the left thigh one
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bullet hole in the upper left scrotum
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wanting the right jaw one of his outside
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right fist one in the right ear and one
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in the front of the neck here this is
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one that was fatal court at the autopsy
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report
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two guns were found a 32 revolver was
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lying on the floor and a 25 caliber
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pistols on top of the TV both had been
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fired in addition of bloody iron had
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been placed in a wastebasket in the
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kitchen
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she was Gary and Ann were interrogated
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at length
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Gary Goff said he struggled with Charlie
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hitting him with the iron and firing all
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seven of the shots and corroborated
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Gary's testimony but did admit to
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handling the 25 caliber pistol and
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claimed that Charlie had arrived at the
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house in a drunken rage demanding to be
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let inside he then forced his way into
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the house and maintained at once inside
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Charlie began beating her severely until
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Gary golf came to a rescue
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though Gary had a broken arm from an
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earlier incident he fought with Charlie
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then shoddy five time he fired two more
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shots in the 25 caliber pistol
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finally charlie collapsed
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unfortunately no blood test was taken to
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prove it Charlie had been drinking but
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even a fans story was true there still
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might be grounds for a charge of
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premeditated murder if Anne and Gary had
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both fired at Charlie police conducted a
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powder residue test to see if Anne had
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fired a gun it was inconclusive
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took it all to her Prosecutor's Office
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told him what was in he asked what I
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felt and at that time I told him I felt
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like it was probably self-defense that I
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believed that they were telling truth
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and the only thing I could tell him we'd
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have to do more investigation and see
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the Caruthersville Police Department
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released an angei
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however the investigation continued one
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of Anne's friends claimed that Anne had
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told her she had reasons for wanting
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Charlie dead the Sheriff's Department
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wire Dan's friend for sound and waited
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for Anne to say something that would be
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an admission of guilt
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we were fast reaching ropes and at at
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being able to charge anybody with this
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crime so we had to do something
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different than what we were doing I will
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wait until tomorrow she in talking with
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Miss segment had told her she was fixing
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to go to the police miss Sigmund
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ultimately told her not to go to the
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police or ask her not to go to the
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police and give her time to her in the
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mr. Goff time to leave town
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she incriminated her step on the tape
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after this recorded conversation the
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authorities began to prepare a warrant
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for an and Gary's arrest but only a few
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hours later and sigmund vanished leaving
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her two boys behind
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Gary Goff had already left town and his
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truck is later found abandoned in
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Phoenix Arizona
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a couple has not been seen since the
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police are still divided on whether the
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shooting of Charlie Sigmund was
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self-defense
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murder in my mind I do not see a murder
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first-degree here and I say that because
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of the scene they disarray of the house
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the damage that was done to it the angle
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of the bullet wounds to the body the
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fact that occurred and the damage to
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Garrett the bruises on his chest and
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face and the bruises on his back and of
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course the man had a broken arm in my
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opinion there's no probability of staff
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defense at defense just don't exist in
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this case and once we get into the trial
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part of this case where we can bring all
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the information out I don't think that
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anybody else opposes seem that either
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yes I think their biggest mistake is me
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and go I would like to see him come back
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and resolve this thing because I do not
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believe that Gary golf is capable of
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murder first degree and I've got
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questions about
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the only way the case will be resolved
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is when Anna and Gary have their day in
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court they have never been officially
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served with a warrant it may not even be
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aware that they are wanted
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next the shocking story of two
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happy-go-lucky teenage boys died in a
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bizarre train accident the parents be
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they were murdered
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last month we told you about two teenage
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boys in Arkansas apparently died in a
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bizarre train accident recent
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developments have left no doubt that in
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fact the boys were murdered that they
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may have been killed by drug dealers
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shortly after midnight on August 23rd
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1987 Don Henry and Kevin Ives set off
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night hunt near the railroad tracks
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behind downs home four hours later a
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cargo train traveling at 52 miles per
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hour hurtled down and there motionless
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party
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the diesel horn and I got no reaction
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not at all not so much as a flinch the
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two boys were lying parallel on the
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tracks they were partially covered by a
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light green tarp beside them late Dawn's
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22 caliber rifle
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the state medical examiner initially
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ruled that their deaths were an accident
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months later prosecutor Richard Gary
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instigated his second autopsy this time
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the results reveal that Kevin Ives had
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been stabbed in the back by a large
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knife Don Henry had been hit in the face
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with a rifle but officials now believe
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that both boys are either unconscious or
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dead before the train hit since the
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broadcast several anonymous callers to
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our eight hundred-number the ledge that
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Kevin and Don's death is related to drug
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trafficking in the area
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the Avast prosecutor Richard Garrett to
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join us to update the investigation
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Richard how could the killings be
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related to drug trafficking Saline
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County in the Central Arkansas Area has
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overrun at this time with extends and
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other states then two other counties
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what do you believe happened the night
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they died I think that the boys saw
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something that they shouldn't have seen
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and it had to do with drugs with a crank
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lab manufactures methamphetamine are
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certain individuals involved in those
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matters and those people felt like that
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the information that the boys then had
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was such that they could not allow them
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to live did anyone else being
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other parties involved the thing is the
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case is so complex that the solution
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could lie to something as simple as a
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vagrant or a migrant on a railroad track
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and going away and thus not hearing
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anything from any gardener doing as
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complicated as as a police in bumble
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I remember the segment the parents were
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very frustrated but the fact that they
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couldn't get more information do you
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think there's a cover-up there certainly
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was a cover-up at first whether
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inadvertent through lack of attention or
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three just plain stubbornness when this
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thing for ask I start around the parents
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haunted for six months for someone to
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have them and for someone to find out
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what happened to the boys and no one and
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how is this case affected you personally
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I go to bed at night thinking about it
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and I wake up in the morning thinking
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about it it's it's honest but on my mind
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the majority of my time during the week
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is devoted to it and you just you get
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too involved in it and you can't quit
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thank you Richard for being with us and
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hopefully helped you in the case in a
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moment a story of an Air Force sergeant
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who experienced a bizarre phenomenon
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called missing time in 1966 he vanished
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for the period of one hour he said he
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had no idea what happened until placed
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under hypnosis 20 years later
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imagine for a moment that you go to the
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corner store for a quick errand when you
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return home they can you been gone no
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more than five minutes you find that in
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reality three hours have passed and what
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is more you have no memory of it at all
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we're about to meet several people who
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have dealt with a deeply disturbing
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experience of missing time their stories
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are both bizarre and chilling our first
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glimpse into the extraordinary
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phenomenon missing time begins simply
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enough at 8:45 p.m. on October the 1st
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1966 a bus pulled up in front of
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deuter's market and the small Cape Cod
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village of North Truro only one man got
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off the bus he was 19 year old airman
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first class Robert Matthews reporting
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for his first tour of duty at a nearby
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airforce outpost he noticed that the
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area was deserted
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Matthews was from Philadelphia although
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he didn't know his assignment in Cape
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Cod would be a prelude to service in
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Vietnam I got off where the bus driver
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told me where I was supposed to get off
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and and he told me to phone the base and
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they would send a truck down to pick me
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up yes I'll be waiting thank you sir I
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told him that I was in front of Duras
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market and he told me to stay there and
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that there would be a truck the other
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pick me up in a minute
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while I was standing there I saw these
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lights you know moving from right to
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left across the sky that's when I felt
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this fear you know and I said I better
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call the base hello this is Vivian
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Matthews yes sir yes I've been here all
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the time
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no I haven't gone anywhere please tell
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him to hurry there's something strange
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going on when I called the base again
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they asked me where I've been and I told
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him I had been there in front of do to
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us you know waiting you know and he told
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me he's just what we sent a truck down
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there already and I says well I've been
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standing here waiting and no one's been
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by here
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the air force told Bob Matthews that a
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driver had arrived to pick him up at
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8:50 p.m. just five minutes after his
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first phone call the driver claimed that
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Matthews was nowhere in sight
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nearly one hour later at 9:45 the
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airforce Post received Matthews second
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phone call yet in Bob Matthews mind
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those two phone calls have been made
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less than four minutes apart I want to
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know where you were but at one hour in
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front of the market we sent a Jeep out
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there the officer came back and you
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weren't there when Matthews arrived at
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the post he was questioned extensively
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by Air Force personnel wearing civilian
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clothes they began to interrogate me
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about where I've been the past hour I
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stick to my story you know I tell them
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that I was in front of Doris the whole
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time
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Mathis you claim you saw three lights
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coming down from the sky at you is that
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correct they were coming from the sky
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downpour you they kept asking me well
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what kind of aircraft did you see and
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and what did they do and just went on
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for a long time and I thought it was
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still part of asic training or something
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I thought this is what they do to new
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guys you've been drinking before you get
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on the bus I've been drinking while you
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were on leave no we have this in many
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cases where the person is literally gone
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but has been consciously unaware of
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being missing think it's a kind of a
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mini period of amnesia this is what the
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missing time phenomena really is it is
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not perceived as a break in which
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something happens and then a resumption
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it is time as remembered it's continuous
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and yet the half hour trip as it turns
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out to be a two-hour trip or whatever
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and this is sometimes experienced in
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conjunction with a UFO sighting or
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something like a light but not always in
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1964 Hopkins a well-known artist
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experienced a UFO sighting along with
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several friends he delved into the field
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it'll became a UFO expert I began
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getting phone calls from people and
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letters and many of their sighting
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reports had pieces of missing time in
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them they could not account for what why
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something it should have taken 15
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minutes took two hours and a half a
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drive in a car which involved a sighting
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of the UFO and we began looking into
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those cases and discovered one after
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another of these abduction cases and
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eventually together with Sakata
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psychologists it was helping
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with this and other investigators we put
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together many cases and I finally wrote
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a book about it over the past 10 years
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Hopkins has written two books dealing
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with a phenomenon of missing time and
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abduction by aliens he has received
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thousands of letters from people who
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believe they have experienced a missing
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time abduction he has personally
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investigated more than 200 of them what
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was shocking to me was that it turned
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out to seem so incredibly common this is
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extraordinarily widespread at the time
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Hopkins books came out Bob Mathews was
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wrestling with a secret that had haunted
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him for thirty years a secret that had
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tormented him long before his experience
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at Boutrous market on Cape Cod when I
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was a child maybe five or six I just
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happened to wake up one night and I
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walked to my right in my bedroom and
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there was this figure standing there a
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small figure with a green glow to it and
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I set up in bed and I tried to scream
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and nothing came out of my mouth and I
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thought I had lost my hearing I thought
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I had lost my voice I didn't know what
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was going on the next thing I know
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everything was Park again and I was
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laying back down in the bed and this
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thing this ghost I thought at the time
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when I was a kid it I call it a ghost
00:24:24
came over and sat down on my bed and
00:24:26
pulled up my pajama top and and I don't
00:24:32
know what I did to my chest but I knew
00:24:34
it was doing something to my chest at
00:24:36
the time you know I told my mother that
00:24:40
there was a ghost in my room she kept
00:24:43
reassuring me that I was only having
00:24:45
nightmares but I went through all my
00:24:48
life doubting my sanity wondering
00:24:50
whether or not these things have
00:24:51
occurred
00:24:52
[Music]
00:24:54
Bob Matthews began to resolve his doubts
00:24:57
in the winter of 1987 I was on vacation
00:25:02
looking for something to read and on the
00:25:05
Shelf there in front of me I saw this
00:25:08
book with this creature on it you know
00:25:10
and when I looked at the book I said to
00:25:13
myself that's the thing that was in my
00:25:16
room I read the book and I thought
00:25:21
someone had stepped into my head and
00:25:23
taken my innermost fears and put them in
00:25:26
a book it brought tears to my eyes you
00:25:29
know I couldn't believe this was
00:25:30
actually happening to someone else when
00:25:34
Bob called me
00:25:35
it had that familiar ring of truth to me
00:25:38
as did the details in this case
00:25:39
he was quite convinced that this was not
00:25:41
a dream he sounded troubled curious very
00:25:47
very stable after weeks of intensive
00:25:51
interviews Budd Hopkins put Bob Matthews
00:25:54
under hypnosis to explore the details of
00:25:56
Bob's childhood experiences while he was
00:25:59
hypnotized Bob also began to recall what
00:26:02
had happened to him that night outside
00:26:04
Boutrous market that's evening October
00:26:07
1st 1966 hypnosis is often very useful
00:26:20
even the AMAs reported hypnosis has said
00:26:23
that it's a very proper method of
00:26:25
retrieving lost memories so I connected
00:26:28
myself with a psychiatrist and a couple
00:26:31
of psychologists who were doing the
00:26:33
hypnosis and we began looking into a
00:26:35
number of cases something was really
00:26:38
really wrong because all of a sudden I
00:26:40
got very afraid
00:26:43
Bob Matthews case is really typical and
00:26:46
very good missing time case because the
00:26:48
fact that there is an indirect witness
00:26:50
to his having been missing during a
00:26:52
missing time period is very important
00:26:54
well I'm gonna call the base I'm gonna
00:26:57
call the base and tell them you
00:27:03
there's something strange happening here
00:27:07
Bob's recollections were so vivid that
00:27:10
he was able to return to Cape Cod and
00:27:12
reconstruct what he believes took place
00:27:14
outside Boutrous market under hypnosis I
00:27:20
observed in the sky two three lights
00:27:24
moving in this direction they hovered
00:27:28
over here and the red one came at me so
00:27:33
fast it just got there so quick like if
00:27:37
I blink my eye I don't think I would
00:27:40
have seen it but it got there so quick
00:27:42
you know mm-hmm and it just momentarily
00:27:48
hovers around the departing lot there
00:27:54
mm-hmm and I can see some light come
00:27:59
from a crag it's like a ramp opens down
00:28:04
I can see a lot of like over there right
00:28:08
over here is about where the ramp was
00:28:10
right here still out in the road I uh I
00:28:15
walked up to it walked up the ramp and I
00:28:21
look inside and I saw four being sitting
00:28:25
over here on the left it was two sitting
00:28:28
on the right and the place reminded me
00:28:33
of a doctor's office I mean it was
00:28:35
clinical it looked clean I remember
00:28:40
sitting down on the table
00:28:41
sitting down on the bench and I remember
00:28:43
looking down and I saw that my shoes
00:28:45
were off and my shirt was off and they
00:28:49
came over they examined my chest he
00:28:52
looks at my chest and the tool room it's
00:28:56
like they have a discussion with each
00:28:57
other and it's like every single case we
00:29:01
came out with a scenario which was
00:29:03
exactly like the other scenarios they're
00:29:06
taken into a craft landed UFO put on a
00:29:09
table clothes are removed there seemed
00:29:12
to have no will or no ability to resist
00:29:15
they are then physically examined
00:29:17
the descriptions of the procedures what
00:29:19
follows what what kinds of things
00:29:21
happened are extremely similar samples
00:29:24
are taken during that time sometimes
00:29:26
blood samples and often skin scrapings
00:29:28
and very often sperm and OVA samples the
00:29:31
descriptions that we're getting of the
00:29:33
UFO occupants but about 85% are
00:29:35
extremely similar the figures are little
00:29:37
between three and a half and five feet
00:29:40
tall extremely slender they have a
00:29:43
grayish white skin
00:29:44
they have very large craniums the eyes
00:29:47
are often very very black the mouth is a
00:29:50
slit which never seems to move and
00:29:52
there's no ears I'm the first one to
00:29:55
admit how outrageous all of this is the
00:29:58
people to whom it happens also say this
00:30:01
just can't happen sometimes I even think
00:30:04
it's harder for people like us to
00:30:06
believe it then in the outside you know
00:30:07
people that hasn't happened to I'm I'm
00:30:10
as much a skeptic as anybody else I mean
00:30:12
I I wasn't born believing that UFOs
00:30:14
existed now of course I mean you know I
00:30:18
get up in the morning say no I can't
00:30:20
they just it's ridiculous I can't use
00:30:23
those words abducted by aliens I just
00:30:25
don't know what it was I know that some
00:30:27
people came and did some things to me
00:30:29
but where do they come from I don't know
00:30:31
I've worked with intensively with about
00:30:34
eleven abductees and I would say to my
00:30:38
mind seven of them are seemed to be
00:30:40
valid in terms of the material that they
00:30:42
present nobody Budd Hopkins has
00:30:46
organized support groups so that people
00:30:48
who believe they are victims of missing
00:30:50
time and alien abduction can compare
00:30:52
their disturbing experiences the big
00:30:56
question is why me yeah I think I was
00:31:00
utterly skeptical I thought it was
00:31:01
complete hogwash hocus pocus abducted by
00:31:05
aliens except for the fact that there
00:31:08
were these patients of mine who I knew
00:31:10
to be very trustworthy very honest very
00:31:13
uncrazy people just your garden-variety
00:31:17
Boston area folks and they were
00:31:20
reporting strange things
00:31:22
how many experiences does each of you
00:31:25
remember having I think you've had I
00:31:28
would say
00:31:29
10 I mean 10 that I know of and but and
00:31:31
I have done hypnosis on or about six of
00:31:34
them
00:31:34
Christina Florence is a New York
00:31:36
choreographer who feels she has had
00:31:38
multiple experiences of missing time and
00:31:40
alien abduction there is no question
00:31:45
that these stories stretch the
00:31:47
imagination perhaps as a skeptic
00:31:49
suggests that could be the product of
00:31:51
some kind of mass hallucination but the
00:31:54
people we interviewed sincerely believe
00:31:56
what happened is real when we return
00:31:59
we'll hear Christina Florence's story
00:32:01
incredibly her experiences and others
00:32:04
like hers suggests that some sort of
00:32:06
genetic experimentation is being
00:32:09
conducted on the victims of missing time
00:32:14
[Applause]
00:32:16
the Mojave Desert
00:32:18
1974 Christina Florence was 17 years old
00:32:23
when she her mother and her older sister
00:32:25
crossed the Mojave enroute to San
00:32:27
Francisco near Barstow California their
00:32:31
car overheated and they took the first
00:32:33
exit off the highway yes somewhere along
00:32:39
the line we got to this Park at that
00:32:49
point she just walked away where was she
00:32:52
going I don't know but she said stay in
00:32:55
the car
00:32:59
my last poster outside said stay in the
00:33:02
car front line my sister got out of the
00:33:11
car and I heard a run around the back
00:33:13
and all of a sudden she said oh my god
00:33:15
come out here quick
00:33:18
[Music]
00:33:24
and the next thing I remembered
00:33:27
consciously was that we were lying on
00:33:29
this blanket in the middle of the park
00:33:32
as if we'd had a little nap just lying
00:33:35
there my mom was still not around and we
00:33:37
woke up and was like well what happened
00:33:39
and then the next thing I remember the
00:33:41
three of us are just driving like hell
00:33:45
we never talked about it until my sister
00:33:48
just called me up one day and we sort of
00:33:51
began to talk about furthering and
00:33:52
realized that we both had this very
00:33:54
bizarre memory of this missing time
00:33:57
thing and she knew about bud and she
00:34:00
suggested that I get in touch with fun
00:34:01
no she had to sort of crank up her
00:34:04
courage to look into it and it was
00:34:06
reluctant she was reluctant to do so I
00:34:09
wasn't interested in UFOs I wasn't
00:34:11
interested in finding out you know
00:34:13
meeting some guy who ya doing UFO
00:34:16
research in 1986
00:34:21
Christina agreed to undergo hypnosis
00:34:23
hoping she could recall some details
00:34:25
about what had happened to her and her
00:34:27
sister that afternoon in Barstow at some
00:34:31
point my mother pulls off the road you
00:34:36
can feel the car move as it turns off
00:34:38
the road and you can see a mother and
00:34:40
you can see yourself there yeah there
00:34:42
with Vicki under hypnosis I started
00:34:46
having this picture that my sister's
00:34:48
getting out of the car and then I get
00:34:53
out of the car and I looked up and there
00:34:54
was something above the car
00:34:59
and I was so scared I didn't know what
00:35:02
it was I ran back to the car and she ran
00:35:04
back and she she got herself crunched
00:35:07
under the dashboard she was so scared
00:35:09
and I was trying to start the car and it
00:35:10
wouldn't start then the next memory that
00:35:18
I had into the hypnosis was that I was
00:35:20
on a table and there were some people
00:35:21
around there was this screen it was
00:35:28
about as wide as a large television
00:35:30
screen but it was paper-thin and it was
00:35:32
just moving around the table and it
00:35:34
wasn't attached to anything and I could
00:35:36
see three-dimensional shapes of my skull
00:35:38
and my you know my whole body it was
00:35:40
just taking pictures and it was just
00:35:42
this huge spherical room that was just
00:35:45
covered with dials there wasn't a space
00:35:48
it was just dials and I felt like they
00:35:52
put like these rubber pants on me or
00:35:54
something with things attached and then
00:35:57
they left the room and I lay there and I
00:35:59
was asking for my sister and somebody
00:36:01
was telling me she's okay she's and
00:36:03
she's alright and the dial started going
00:36:06
and then they came back in and that's
00:36:07
the last thing I remember then we were
00:36:10
back on the grass Christine Florence I
00:36:13
think is without a doubt absolute
00:36:16
utterly totally legit she is a very
00:36:20
trustworthy very honest person who I've
00:36:22
talked to several times and she's angry
00:36:25
about what's happened to her she doesn't
00:36:27
like what's happened to her
00:36:28
she's been able to incorporate it into
00:36:30
her life and get on with her life
00:36:31
despite this
00:36:35
[Music]
00:36:41
I live a perfectly normal life you know
00:36:44
I have a dance company I I go to work
00:36:46
every day I have an apartment I have two
00:36:49
cats I have a perfectly normal life I'm
00:36:51
not crazy
00:36:53
there's definitely something going on
00:36:55
and what it is I don't know I could be
00:36:58
having a dream and everyone else is
00:37:00
having the same dream but I'm not lying
00:37:04
and I'm not crazy if Christina and Bob
00:37:08
Matthews and the hundreds of others like
00:37:10
them are not lying if we even admit the
00:37:13
possibility that these abductions have
00:37:15
occurred it raises a frightening
00:37:17
question why are the abductors here
00:37:21
ultimately the focus becomes
00:37:23
reproductive and the interest seems to
00:37:26
have to do with taking sperm and OVA
00:37:28
samples and the whole central focus of
00:37:32
these of the physical part of it seems
00:37:34
to deal with the idea of an ongoing
00:37:37
genetic experiment and these abductees
00:37:39
are let's say involuntary victims or
00:37:43
specimen in this in this ongoing genetic
00:37:46
experiment there's an incredibly high
00:37:49
incidence of gynecological physiological
00:37:53
history of symptoms that has just not
00:37:55
appeared in the rest of the population
00:37:57
every time I meet one of these people
00:38:00
and I say well what is your history
00:38:01
there is almost always something like a
00:38:04
variant cancer at a very young age and
00:38:07
ovarian cysts that burst in the ovary
00:38:10
was removed or some kind of strange
00:38:12
thing with twisted fallopian tubes all
00:38:15
kinds of weird bizarre things that have
00:38:18
happened that just don't happen I mean
00:38:20
women have gynecological problems but
00:38:22
not to this degree a lot of us have had
00:38:24
false pregnancies when miscarriages
00:38:28
after three months of pregnant or
00:38:30
shion's where there actually was nothing
00:38:31
that nothing was found and don't know
00:38:37
what that's for or what that's about
00:38:39
the thought of aliens conducting
00:38:41
reproductive experiments seems totally
00:38:43
unbelievable yet those who have
00:38:46
experienced it insists that is real
00:38:48
painfully real and I wish the people
00:38:52
that ridicule
00:38:53
us could live one day in my night in my
00:38:56
body but I don't want anybody to go
00:38:59
through what I live with the numbers of
00:39:02
cases the amount of distress emotional
00:39:06
distress the consistency of the accounts
00:39:09
the physical marks the weight of the
00:39:12
evidence is so powerful now that even if
00:39:15
I wished for the luxury luxury of
00:39:17
disbelief it's not possible for me
00:39:20
anymore
00:39:21
and that's unfortunate it would be in a
00:39:25
certain sense life would be a lot
00:39:26
simpler and nicer if this would somehow
00:39:28
go away it can't make sense and it
00:39:31
doesn't make sense so we're stuck really
00:39:33
trying to make sense out of something
00:39:35
that doesn't make sense but that is no
00:39:37
reason to dismiss it out of hand now I
00:39:39
would really like to get to the bottom
00:39:40
of it someday I'd really like to know
00:39:43
what it's about because the hard part of
00:39:46
it is just not knowing if the scientists
00:39:48
were doing what they are supposed to be
00:39:50
doing they should be doing this and it
00:39:53
shouldn't be left to people like myself
00:39:55
the existence of an extraordinary
00:39:57
phenomenon as this is demands an
00:40:01
extraordinary investigation and
00:40:03
unfortunately most of the proper
00:40:05
scientific community is sitting on the
00:40:09
sidelines
00:40:10
leaving it up to the rest of us to look
00:40:12
into and it's not what should be
00:40:14
happening abduction by aliens
00:40:18
it seems outrageous yet those who've
00:40:21
experienced missing time episodes a
00:40:23
believe that is exactly what happened to
00:40:24
them of course has no proof either way
00:40:27
until there is even the most skeptical
00:40:29
among us must admit at least the slim
00:40:31
possibility that these unbelievable
00:40:33
events might actually have taken place
00:40:37
[Music]
00:40:43
Raja's cane had always hoped to build a
00:40:45
better life for his seven children in
00:40:48
1958 Rogers moved from Mississippi to
00:40:51
Los Angeles and for the first time ever
00:40:53
was able to give his children advantages
00:40:55
he never had when there was a caring man
00:40:58
he kept father that would take his kids
00:41:02
to Disneyland
00:41:03
Long Beach Dodger Stadium different
00:41:06
amusement parks he always wanted to
00:41:09
share time with his kids I think also
00:41:12
his job played a big part in order for
00:41:14
him to be a good father he had to
00:41:16
fulfill those duties with the job
00:41:19
rajat was 62 and worked for the
00:41:21
Department of Parks and Recreation he
00:41:24
rarely missed a day on the job on the
00:41:31
afternoon of February 19th 1986 Rogers
00:41:34
told his sister that he was going to a
00:41:36
local hardware store his family never
00:41:40
saw him again
00:41:43
Rogers cane is like millions of
00:41:45
Americans virtues are steadiness and
00:41:47
reliability his praises remain largely
00:41:49
unsung because stability is a quality we
00:41:53
tend to take for granted a man like
00:41:55
Rogers too is both a solid employee and
00:41:57
a steadfast family man is often not
00:41:59
appreciated until he is gone several
00:42:05
clues of surface to suggest that Raja
00:42:07
still alive
00:42:08
the day after Rajas disappeared he
00:42:12
called a neighbor and told her he didn't
00:42:13
feel well it would not be going to work
00:42:15
so immediately I knew something was
00:42:19
wrong and we proceeded to call the
00:42:22
police departments the hospitals nursing
00:42:25
homes all my relatives two days later a
00:42:30
private security company in an affluent
00:42:33
neighborhood spotted a man whom they
00:42:34
believed to be Rajesh Kane the man
00:42:37
appeared confused and gave them a phone
00:42:39
number belonging to Rajas sister Teresa
00:42:44
when Teresa arrived to pick up her
00:42:46
brother the man had disappeared
00:42:50
one month later Rajas car was found
00:42:53
parked on a busy street 22 miles from
00:42:55
his home remarkably all his papers his
00:42:59
GI Bill the deed to his property that
00:43:02
his insurance policies as well as his
00:43:05
glasses and false teeth were in the car
00:43:07
and there were pieces of paper with my
00:43:10
sister's phone number where he was
00:43:12
writing it over and over again and it
00:43:15
made me think that he was trying to
00:43:17
remember it at a gas station next to
00:43:21
Rajas abandoned car police learned that
00:43:24
he had talked with a mechanic on the day
00:43:25
after he disappeared the mechanic told
00:43:29
us that my father had brought the car in
00:43:31
and he needed to be repaired and he's
00:43:35
paid for the car before he left the
00:43:44
person at the station told us that he
00:43:48
was last seen walking away from the
00:43:50
station kind of staggering swain that
00:43:55
his speech was slurred at that time was
00:43:59
when we really felt that he may have
00:44:00
suffered a slight stroke causing some
00:44:03
type of memory impairment
00:44:05
he had a telephone credit card on him
00:44:08
when he was missing and that credit card
00:44:11
was used on a number of occasions after
00:44:15
he was last seen by the security company
00:44:18
the calls made on Rajas credit card were
00:44:21
traced all of them were numbers for more
00:44:24
days printed in a local newspaper I
00:44:27
think when he became lost
00:44:29
he had that need to work he had no money
00:44:31
he had enough faculties about him and
00:44:35
that his natural instinct to survive
00:44:37
took over and Rajas did make some of
00:44:40
those calls using his telephone credit
00:44:42
card he was probably picked up either by
00:44:46
a law enforcement agency or even our
00:44:48
paramedics and transported to the
00:44:51
hospital for medical treatment
00:44:53
as a John Doe and is probably still
00:44:56
there
00:45:00
well I don't give up I still pray and I
00:45:05
find him somewhere one day I just feel
00:45:09
it within my heart
00:45:15
that he'll be alright
00:45:20
update Topeka Kansas the night after our
00:45:23
broadcast police received a call from a
00:45:25
man who believed you recognize drudges
00:45:27
Kane the local resident named Elmer
00:45:30
Jackson caller said when he'd seen him
00:45:33
on TV that he was positive him and in
00:45:37
question him that's when he come up with
00:45:39
the mannerisms the fact that he had no
00:45:42
dentures at that time a scar on his body
00:45:46
which I don't think any probably
00:45:49
probably knew except maybe the Los
00:45:51
Angeles Police and the relative acting
00:45:54
in the collars tip police attempted to
00:45:56
locate only jackson they need to
00:45:58
discover he had disappeared within days
00:46:01
we just came son Lee defeated Topeka and
00:46:04
joined the police search I know he's
00:46:08
been an area of about a year a year and
00:46:11
a half and a truck driver picked him up
00:46:14
decided to name him Elmer and gave him
00:46:18
his last name which was Jackson so he
00:46:20
goes by Elmer Jackson he's been working
00:46:23
several jobs or side jobs here now
00:46:26
laying bricks and things like that
00:46:28
Lynne Keenan the Topeka police canvassed
00:46:31
the neighborhood where Jackson was left
00:46:33
senior they passed out flyers and we'll
00:46:35
just canes pictured but we're unable to
00:46:37
locate it's been it's the best lead so
00:46:41
far the only lead for us
00:46:45
we're unsuccessful today but maybe
00:46:51
[Music]
00:47:06
for every mystery there is someone
00:47:08
somewhere who knows the truth perhaps
00:47:11
that someone is watching perhaps it's
00:47:13
you
00:47:15
[Music]
00:47:37
you
00:47:43
[Music]
