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next on Unsolved
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Mysteries three inmates break out of
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jail and Lead police on a highspeed
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chase that ends in a wild shootout the
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ring leader is still on the
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run after a routine stop at the bank a
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woman is abducted in her own car then
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she attempts a risky
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Escape after a woman is kidnapped her
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husband pays a ransom of more than a
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million dollar not to one person but to
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12 which one is the
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Mastermind and two 10-year-old boys die
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in a suspicious fire eyewitnesses and
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family members believe that they were
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murdered but why were they
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killed five cases with strange Clues
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bizarre twists and secrets you would
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never expect I'm Dennis finina and this
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is Unsolved
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Mysteries
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in the town of seminal Oklahoma
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19-year-old Travis Wayde Duncan worked
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as a mechanic he had just moved into his
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own apartment other than one minor
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scrape with the law his record was clean
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Davis was a quite young man he getting a
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little Misty of now and then but growing
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up he was uh he was a good kid you know
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from a good family
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there so when Duncan was arrested for
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stealing guns his family and friends
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were surprised Duncan claimed that when
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he bought the guns he had no idea that
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they were stolen his bail was set at
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$25,000 but his family couldn't afford
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to post the bond step back from the door
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Duncan was sent to the seal County Jail
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he appeared to be a little nervous to be
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in jail and you go Travis was a kind
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that was very quiet he never did cause
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any trouble at all he was just a real
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quiet type kind of kept to
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himself Duncan ended up sharing gasel
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with another prisoner 19-year-old John
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fiser according to deputies fiser was
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both charismatic and a little crazy I'm
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everybody I'm out fer was arrested on a
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murder charge first-degree murder you
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John's uh goal in life was to be the
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drug lord of
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Oklahoma he was constantly fantasizing
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about and telling and bragging to other
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people that uh he was in with the medine
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cartel of South America that he had buus
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of money just any amount you had he had
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several accounts that had hundreds of
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thousands of dollars in it most people
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knew he was fantasizing
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J
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Fisher but Travis Duncan was not most
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people he was young naive and gullible
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and an easy Mark for John fiser I'm
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getting out of here I got $200,000 in a
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bank in Oklahoma I got guns I Got a Car
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everything fiser was the kind that would
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look you right in the face and tell you
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exactly how he felt he was a leader
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among the other inmates he everybody
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looked up to
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him Oklahoma's mine I always considered
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Fisher to be an escapeist just by his
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actions and he would come straight out
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and admit it that he would Escape if he
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had the
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chance for almost 3 months fiser worked
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on Duncan filling his head with wild
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ideas finally Duncan's bail was reduced
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and he was released on the condition
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that he would live with his parents
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but within a few days Duncan violated
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the terms of his release he left his
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parents home and took his sister's
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pickup truck no one knows where Travis
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Duncan went only what he did Travis
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manufactured Molotov cocktails different
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things loaded up the back end of the
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pickup with all types of ammunition uh
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9mm pistols shotguns uh all different
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types of things some camping equipment
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and food uh water and things to to live
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off of if they had to hide out for a
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while the day after leaving his parents'
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home Travis Duncan showed up at the
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county gy hey Travis hey what's up not
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much when he pulled the gun on me I was
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frightened he also told me if I didn't
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cooperate with him that he would uh
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shoot me this job ain't worth your life
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move Duncan was familiar with the jail
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routine he knew that at this hour only
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one Deputy would be on
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duty Duncan quickly found the keys to
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the other cell he lost no time freeing
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move John fer fish I'm ready
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go although fer tried to get other
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prisoners to leave only one other inmate
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Timothy Johnson was willing to go I
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think it came as a surprise to Fisher
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that Travis did this showing up at just
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the quick moment that he
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did we were prepared for a break for an
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escape from the inside we never dreamed
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of one coming from the outside on us it
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was approximately 30 minutes before we
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knew of the escape and a general
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broadcast was was sent out over the
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Escape uh with the vehicle description
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and the occupants police units up on the
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interstate uh picked them up on radar
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running High rate of
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speed the Oklahoma Highway Patrol set up
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a roadblock to intercept the
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fugitives as they came around the curve
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got with individual sighting of our
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roadblock the driver Travis Duncan then
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accelerated to about 100
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mph I jumped in my patrol car began
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pursuing the pickup as I caught up the
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pickup Fisher began to lean out the
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window and point a shotgun at my patrol
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car as I was pursuing
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him every time he lean out and try to
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draw a bead on my unit then I would go
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to the left of the driver's side of the
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pickup get as far over as I could get
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out of the Night of
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Fire this is something that you expect
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to see on the movies but you don't
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really expect it to happen to you within
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a few hours Duncan Fischer and Johnson
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had roared across more than 150 Mi of
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Interstate 40 with state troopers in Hot
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Pursuit 24 M from the Arkansas border
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Duncan made a beline for CER Lake an
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area which the Troopers knew well but
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the fugitives did
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not we exited the interstate started
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south on the county road as we did
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Fisher leaned out the passenger window
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and threw what appeared to be a beer
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bottle up into the air I can even try to
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throw something through the windshield
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of my patrol
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car that multi cocktail failed to ignite
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because it hit the road the wind the
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high speed blew the wick out doing a
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sming seconds later fiser tossed another
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homemade bomb out of the truck it didn't
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go off
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either Trooper James stayed on their
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heels in no time they were heading down
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up Dead End
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Road you don't have time to beer
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anything the adrenaline's pumping so
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hard but your mind rushing you know I
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hope I told my kids that I love them
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before I came to work
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today once the firefight subsided The
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Three Fugitives took off for the woods
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they had had no idea that they were
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trapped on a peninsula that jutted out
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into the lake by Nightfall authorities
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had them surrounded the Oklahoma Lake
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Patrol was called in to search the
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shore I don't shoot okay coming out
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don't shoot your hands up over your
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head turn
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around up don't just before 10 p.m.
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police captured John fiser and Timothy
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Johnson the escaped convict they claimed
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that Duncan had been shot and his body
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was in the woods later they would admit
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that he had actually gone off on his
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own we kept the area contained for
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nearly 3 days hoping to find Duncan we
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used tracking dogs we did searches in
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case he had in fact been shot and was
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down in the woods to know Avail we're
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unable to locate him no signs that he's
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in there there was no evidence to
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indicate that he'd been shot
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one month later deputies discovered a
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man's body across from the peninsula he
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had been shot through the head police
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concluded that Duncan had gotten away by
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swimming across the lake they think that
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Duncan then shot the man and stole his
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truck Travis Duncan has not been seen
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since the night of the
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Escape
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update after a tip from one of our
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viewers Travis dun and was arrested in
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Boise Idaho he pleaded guilty to nine
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counts including kidnapping and
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assisting in a prison
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escape Duncan was sentenced to 20 years
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in prison and was released after serving
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just under
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eight police now believe that Travis
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Duncan had nothing to do with the murder
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of the camper who was shot on the Lake
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Shore John fiser was sent back back to
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prison to serve a life sentence on a
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murder conviction in an unrelated case
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the third fugitive Timothy Johnson also
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ended up back in prison on multiple
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charges however he has served this time
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and has since been
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released next well DNA left at a crime
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scene helped solve the murder of a
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public
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defender
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Palo Alto
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California after raising three children
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Gretchen berford embarked on a new life
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enrolling in law school at the age of 41
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within a few years of her graduation
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Gretchen had a full-time practice
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specializing in juvenile
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law I think Justice was really important
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to my mother and I think that's part of
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the reason she was drawn to a career in
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law conviction she wanted to help people
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who didn't maybe start out with all the
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benefits that her children had gretan
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put her heart and soul into defending
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the people and she worked hard with them
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not only just with the legal defense but
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there were a lot of uh things that she
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would be involved in as far as their
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personal
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lives late on a Friday afternoon
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Gretchen left her office and headed home
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for the weekend police believe that what
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happened next was a random act of
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violence bank records verify that at
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6:37 p.m. Gretchen deposited a check at
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a bank four blocks from her
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office it's here that we suspect that
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her as salant may have accosted her for
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the first
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time she may have been the type of
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person who left her car unlocked which
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is what as salant look for when they are
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stalking their victims she's near a
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walkup teller at
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night uh obviously she would be a target
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for some type of an
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attack shut up shut up shut up police
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believe that Gretchen was abducted in
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the bank parking lot 5 or 10 minutes
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after she
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arrived what happened next was remains a
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complete
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mystery we can only speculate as to what
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was going on during that 20 minutes she
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was used to this type of person and
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perhaps was trying to appeal to him uh
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as to what the consequences would be uh
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who knows we don't
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know just 25 minutes after depositing
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her check Gretchen tried to withdraw
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money from another ATM 3 mil away this
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transaction was declined because the
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amount exceeded her daily limit police
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now believe that Gretchen may have been
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trying to stall her rep
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doctor where's the money I don't know I
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we had two witnesses pull up behind
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Gretchen's vehicle uh the male driver
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saw a struggle going on inside the car
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he saw the driver's door open and then
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it appeared that she was pulled back
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inside
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he's
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dead Witnesses have told us that she got
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out of her car screaming he stabbed me
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he stabbed me and uh helped me and she
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collapsed
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immediately so the wound was uh was
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definitely a one single stab and it was
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fatal police believe that Gretchen
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deliberately crashed her car in a
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desperate attempt to escape in the
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aftermath two witnesses were able to get
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a good look at the
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killer the lady jumped out of the car
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screaming that she was
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stabbed and then he got out of the car
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stared me and my friend down then he
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turned around and ran within 2 seconds 3
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seconds he was out of sight since the
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girl hit the ground she said she was
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stabbed we went for her she was lying on
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the ground and I could see a little pull
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of
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blood she was looking up at me she was
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saying I'm dying I'm going to die I said
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you're just bleeding and you're you're
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going to be fine so just you know relax
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and I I held her hand she looked up at
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me her eyes rolled back and her eyes
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closed
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and it kind of I guess her life uh ended
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right there 133 can you ask a number on
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my last call
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133 when I arrived at the scene Gretchen
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had already been transported to uh an
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emergency room I almost immediately
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started processing her vehicle for any
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evidence I looked inside and saw a
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Paisley baseball hat in the rear
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passenger compartment that just seemed
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out of
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place we later confirm that that did not
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belong to her and it's unknown how that
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got in her car so we assume that they
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belong to our
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suspect the next day authorities
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recovered the murder weapon a butcher
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knife with an 8 in Blade it was found in
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a driveway one block from the scene but
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provided no additional
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leads police next focused on the Paisley
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hat found in Gretchen's car even though
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all attempts to connect the Hat with the
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suspect have failed police are convinced
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that it could hold a key to solving the
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case I think it's ironic that that my
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mother would have gone on helping you
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know for years probably um that she'd
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only just started her law career that
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she had so much to give and was giving
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so much and and helping so many people
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and
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um that it was you know it was just
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ended by somebody who had no idea who
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she was or what she was or you no
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ability to care about
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her
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update nearly two decades after the
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murder DNA found in the Paisley hat was
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matched to Tyrone Hamill a convict in a
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Texas prison Hamill admitted he had
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killed Gretchen berford and was
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sentenced to a second term of life in
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prison without the possibility of
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parole next a Millionaire's desperate
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search for his kidnapped wife
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Jackson
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Mississippi Robert Haron was one of the
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wealthiest men in the state his wife
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Annie lorri Haron was a devoted wife and
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mother on an ordinary morning in July
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Annie was
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kidnapped good morning on behal of 12
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Days Later Robert Haron called a press
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conference at his
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home my name is Robert Harry my wife
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Anna was taken from my home over 10 days
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ago my children and I have done
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everything humanly possible to obtain
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her
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release my children and I
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appeal to whom has my wife that they may
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say that she may be safely returned to
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us thank you
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I think about Mama all the time and uh
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I'm sure my daddy does too there there's
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no real way to quantify what this uh how
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enormous a tragedy and ordeal this has
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been to him and and to the rest of the
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family the kidnapping of Annie herin was
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unusual The Ransom note demanded payment
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not to one person but to 12 all had some
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connection to one of Robert haren's
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companies it was a strange twist to a
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troubling
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case on the day of Annie's abduction
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Robert came home from work and was
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alarmed when he found that his wife was
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missing about her after checking with
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friends and family sir he called the
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police I'll wait right here for you
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officer thank you then Robert made a
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disturbing Discovery a note apparently
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left by a kidnapper lay by his front
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door the note said do not call the the
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police however Mr Herring had notified
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the police prior to the note being
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discovered it was clear from the
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contents of the note that Annie's
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abduction was in some way connected to
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Robert's
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businesses Robert Haron put these people
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back in the shape they was in before
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they got mixed up with school pictures
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the demands in the note were very vague
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and made several demands of Mr her
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concerning certain indiv uals listed on
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the Note who were allegedly harmed by a
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company of which Mr Heron was
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President Robert had been president of a
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company called school pictures the
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company sold franchises to photographers
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throughout the United States to produce
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photo portraits of school
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children in an effort to collect money
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owed to them school pictures filed
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lawsuits against 12 franchise owners in
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8 States including
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Florida on the day that Annie was
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kidnapped Witnesses reported seeing a
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white cargo van with Florida plates in
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the
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neighborhood police soon discovered that
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the 12 names on the kidnappers Ransom
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note were the same 12 people who had
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been sued by school
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pictures it's possible that these 12
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people had absolutely nothing to do with
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this abduction but however you can't
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rule out the fact that maybe somebody
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especially that had the knowledge of
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school pictures and its operation could
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have been involved with
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it school pictures was requested to look
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into their files on these uh 12 people
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the transactions were reviewed and uh
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letters were of course sent out to these
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uh 12 people uh trying to determine what
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damages uh that that they had what did
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they want um
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at that point uh we didn't get a
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response except from several of them
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saying we don't want
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anything 8 days after his press
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conference Robert received a letter he
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recognized the handwriting immediately
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it was from his wife
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Annie this gave us quite an emotional
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lift because it meant that mother
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apparently had survived the the initial
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struggle but it still was extremely
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vague as to what we were to do at that
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point daddy in order to do something to
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show our good faith effort to comply
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with these vague demands instructed um
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his attorneys to check these roles and
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find out how much school pictures had
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sued these 12 individuals for Robert
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sent out checks totaling nearly $1
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million to the 12 people on the list
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half of the checks were
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returned the letter in Annie's own
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handwriting would be the last word that
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her family or police would ever receive
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from the
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kidnapper it's been our sincere desire
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from the very beginning from the the
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moment of the kidnapping that we do
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everything possible to comply with these
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demands we want mother
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back
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update Newton Alfred win a 65 year-old
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lawyer was arrested by the FBI in
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Florida on charges related to the
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kidnapping of Lori Heron wi was one of
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the 12 men named in the ransom note left
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at the Heron Mansion also W than one
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month before the kidnapping he had
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purchased the van which matched the
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description of the vehicle seen in the
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Heron
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neighborhood Newton Alfred win was
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convicted of conspiracy to kidnap
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extortion and perjury he was sentenced
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to 19 years and 7 months in
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prison wi has since been released and
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still maintains that he is innocent of
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the
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kidnapping Annie Lorie Haron has never
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been found her husband Robert is now
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deceased but Annie's family is still
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looking for
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her next a young woman can't remember
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her family her friends or even her own
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name
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a local park in Long View Washington I
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was laying in some
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grass and my first memory was
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unbelievable pain the only noise I could
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hear really was just pounding pounding
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in my ears you know I felt so
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unbelievably sick that I I couldn't stay
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in one place it was like something was
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telling me just to get up to go and then
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I all of a sudden I started thinking
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I didn't know who I was or where I
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was imagine yourself as a teenager
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wandering alone confused and vulnerable
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without any idea of your name your age
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the date or even what city you're
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in my head was hurting so much I wasn't
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really there and the first person I saw
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was this older man leaning against a car
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and it seemed like took for ever to get
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to
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him when she asked the stranger for help
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he volunteered to take her to the police
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station in the car he never identified
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himself The Stranger dropped her off a
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half a block away from the police
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station and instead of helping her
00:25:45
inside he immediately drove
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away Deputy Joel reee was leaving the
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station when he encountered the confused
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girl can you help me sure what seems be
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a problem I can't remember anything I
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met her out in front of the Hall of
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Justice at about4 after 3 in the
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afternoon she looked disorientated
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scared I told her I was going to take
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you to the hospital she didn't know what
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a hospital
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was this girl had a small lump on the
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back of her head which was compatible
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with either being struck on the back of
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the head with an object or falling
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down and had developed acute Amnesia as
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a result of of that single blow she had
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no recall about her family she had no
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idea of what age she was or whether she
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had completed High School nor where she
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had attended high
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school with no clues to the girl's
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identity the police placed her picture
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in the local newspaper when a woman
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named Gloria cook saw the photo she
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immediately recognized her daughter
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Kyra Gloria and her her husband rushed
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to the
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hospital a nurse brought a girl down the
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hallway toward us and for a minute there
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I thought maybe I made a mistake maybe
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this isn't Kyra she looked different
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carried herself different but when she
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got up to us I know it was
00:27:16
Kyra and Kyra looked at us and looked at
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the deputy she turned around to the
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nurse and she said are these supposed to
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be my
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parents first time I met my parents was
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at the hospital I think a day or two
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after I was there and um they were just
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like every other person I'd met totally
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strangers I think I felt real bad
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because the feelings weren't there
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nothing was there and it was really
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dragging myself down trying to make up
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feelings even after 5 days in the
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hospital Kyra was allowed to go home but
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instead of triggering familiar memories
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it it was just like visiting a strange
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new
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house first time I went into my
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room it was I felt really guilty I felt
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like I was in somebody else's room and I
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didn't want to look through anything I
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did not want to touch anything it took
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me a couple months before I would even
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go through
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drawers and then when I first read my
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diary I felt like I was invading
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somebody's
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privacy it took me so long to get
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through it because I just I didn't
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really connect the idea that that was
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actually me
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before the
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accident despite her memory loss Kyra's
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Amnesia was not total she retained her
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talent for art remembers algebra and can
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still speak German Amnesia is a mystery
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to us I never had the feeling that Kyra
00:28:53
was faking the Amnesia she was
00:28:56
constantly think thinking very clearly
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and rationally about how she might
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understand who she
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was does this mean anything it's like
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looking at a
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stranger it's difficult enough I guess
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for a parent to have a child
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die but when you have a child that loses
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their entire life and doesn't even know
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you and you have to live with that and
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every day you wake up hoping today maybe
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sure remember and at the end of the day
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you cry because she
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didn't the mysterious incident that
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erased Kyra's memory took place sometime
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during a brief 1-hour period Kyra went
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to the post office to mail a package
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police believe that she left at about
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2:15
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p.m. Kyra woke up in the park at 300
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p.m. with no memory of what had taken
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place my personal theory is she was
00:29:56
either dodging a car or was struck by a
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car and fell and hit her
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head there's so much traffic in the area
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there uh it's a 25 mph Zone and people
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tend to drive a little faster than that
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at the hospital we check for other
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injuries there were no other injuries
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but the bump on the base of her
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skull Kyra's parents have a totally
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different theory about what
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happened knowing Kyra she took a
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shortcut from the post office I think
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someone grabbed her from behind by the
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throat didn't realize how strong she was
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she started to fight them off and they
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took their fist and hit her and caught
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her at the base of her
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skull Kyra was carrying a brown paper
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sack containing her makeup and spending
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money for the day when she woke up in
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the park it was
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gone perhaps the key to this mystery is
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the stranger who drove Kyra to the
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police station repeated Appeals in the
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local newspaper and by the police
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department for the stranger to come
00:31:01
forward have met with no success if he
00:31:05
would even talk to us anonymously call
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anonymously and let us know did she say
00:31:10
anything in the car did he see anything
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he was the closest person to her at the
00:31:14
time it
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happened 18 years have passed since Kyra
00:31:19
lost her memory no one her parents her
00:31:22
doctor even Kyra herself has been able
00:31:25
to fill in the time that she she's
00:31:27
missing for Kyra to regain her past her
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doctors believe that something or
00:31:33
someone must trigger her
00:31:36
memory when people are talking about the
00:31:39
past between themselves I envy them for
00:31:43
having a past and as the months grow on
00:31:46
after the accident I'm building up a
00:31:49
past so you know I'm just looking
00:31:51
forward to the day when I can look back
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on 20 years and just think of all those
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things
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Kyra cook has begun the long process of
00:32:01
gathering a lifetime of memories perhaps
00:32:04
the day will come when what she is able
00:32:06
to recall will outweigh what she has
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lost
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forever next the disturbing case of two
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young boys who died in a fire were their
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deaths and accident or
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murder
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Bullhead City Arizona is a small desert
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town on the banks of the Colorado River
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Sue Johnson moved here from California
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she and her husband felt that it was a
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great place to raise their children
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Scott and
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Angel they loved it uh Scott was a
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natural-born fisherman he loved to fish
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and go out in the desert desert catch
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lizards catch a snake whatever he was
00:33:01
just he he was a Desert Rat he just fell
00:33:03
in love with it less than 50 yard from
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the Johnson's new home stood an old shed
00:33:09
once used by copper miners as a Powder
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Magazine it became a playhouse for Scott
00:33:15
and his friends got you got you oh they
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just played there and played cops and
00:33:21
robbers and Indians and cowboys and
00:33:24
whatever else little boys do I never
00:33:27
felt any apprehension towards that
00:33:29
building at all and it was with inside
00:33:32
of the house it wasn't anything to worry
00:33:33
about it was a typical thing that
00:33:34
children would pick to use for a Ford or
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a
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clubhouse at 3:45 p.m. on a Tuesday
00:33:42
afternoon the Bullhead City volunteer
00:33:44
fire department responded to a call The
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Old Powder Magazine was on
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fire former fire chief Larry Adams
00:33:55
vividly remembers the details all right
00:33:58
open it
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up what I could see through the smoke
00:34:03
and the steam is what appeared to be up
00:34:05
holster uh on the floor through the pike
00:34:08
pole when I got the pike pole uh I
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stooped down to look under the smoke to
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hook this material and drag it out to
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extinguish
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it oh my
00:34:23
God Adams had found the badly burnt B of
00:34:27
Scott Johnson and one of his friends 7
00:34:31
weeks later the coroner concluded that
00:34:33
the two boys had died accidentally he
00:34:36
suggested that the boys were probably
00:34:39
playing with matches and gasoline when
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the [ __ ] caught
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fire I was shocked I was very
00:34:47
shocked my child was certainly smarter
00:34:50
than to just lay in the back of a
00:34:51
building and wait to be asphixiation by
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smoke or burned by fire
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uh it's kind of an obvious thing I
00:34:59
always knew it was a murder
00:35:02
always Sue Johnson was not alone in her
00:35:05
opinion from the beginning Larry Adams
00:35:08
also believed that Scott and his friend
00:35:10
were the victims of Foul Play he had
00:35:13
noticed that the door of the shack had
00:35:16
not been locked or obstructed in any
00:35:20
way all anybody had to do to escape that
00:35:23
building was push on the door in this
00:35:26
case in building 6x6 in that panic
00:35:29
situation they would hit that door and
00:35:32
escape the building had they been able
00:35:35
to a few feet from the door Adams found
00:35:39
a 2X 12in wooden plank he thought that
00:35:42
it was odd that the board had a small
00:35:45
charred circle on one
00:35:48
side it indicated to me that somebody
00:35:53
had prevented their escape through that
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door
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they may have initially uh tried to hold
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the door uh but it's metal it got hot
00:36:04
they can't hold the door any longer they
00:36:06
need something uh to insulate them from
00:36:08
the
00:36:10
heat they picked up the TU 12 one on
00:36:14
each end or more and held the 2 of 12
00:36:19
against the door with with one person on
00:36:21
each end of
00:36:22
it despite this evidence police closed
00:36:26
the cas case as the months went by Sue
00:36:29
Johnson was haunted by the burnt out
00:36:31
shed where she believed that her son had
00:36:34
been murdered she continued her efforts
00:36:37
to have the case
00:36:40
reopened 4 years after the fire a
00:36:44
convicted felon came forward with a
00:36:46
shocking
00:36:48
story Dale Gordon meter was serving time
00:36:51
at a County Jail in New Mexico at the
00:36:54
time of the fire he was living in
00:36:57
Bullhead City B why don't you tell us in
00:36:58
your own words what you saw on the 3rd
00:37:01
of April 1974 at the Powder Magazine
00:37:04
anytime you talk to a prisoner that
00:37:05
wants to give you information you know
00:37:07
he's trying to cut himself a deal the
00:37:10
man just did not seem like he was you
00:37:12
know really telling us all the truth
00:37:15
there was you know there's knowledge
00:37:18
there I parked about say 50 75 yds away
00:37:22
from the P magazine and seeing these two
00:37:25
guys over meter by us that he saw two
00:37:28
men holding these two young kids and
00:37:32
pushing them in the Powder
00:37:35
Magazine one of the kids looked like he
00:37:37
was heavily drugged and the other one
00:37:39
was
00:37:42
fighting then he saw one of the men with
00:37:46
a gas
00:37:48
can one of them told him take the gas
00:37:51
the street terms to get lost gas and we
00:37:56
just burned up two kids 10 minutes I
00:37:58
noticed both those Dell meter told
00:38:00
police that he came to know one of the
00:38:02
men while serving time at a prison in
00:38:04
Nevada authorities questioned the man
00:38:07
that meter accused of setting the fire
00:38:09
but were unable to make a case however
00:38:13
other Witnesses backed up Dale meter's
00:38:15
account kind of Nar or something it was
00:38:19
Tina Mo and John kaou who reported the
00:38:22
fire on the day that Scott Johnson and
00:38:24
his friend died they are also convinced
00:38:27
that the boys were
00:38:31
murdered at the time Tina and John were
00:38:35
teenagers there was two men one was
00:38:38
standing on the side of the Hill facing
00:38:40
the door of the shack and the other one
00:38:44
well he didn't like this the idea that
00:38:47
we were there and he took off and went
00:38:49
running on this one I said you know Tina
00:38:52
I said I think we should go call the
00:38:53
fire department on this you know cuz I
00:38:56
think think them guys set this place on
00:38:58
fire you know that's when we
00:39:02
left John atina told the police about
00:39:04
the two men that they had seen however
00:39:07
they believed that their statements were
00:39:09
ignored because of their own previous
00:39:11
scrapes with the
00:39:14
law didn't seem like they took it
00:39:16
seriously at all you know it seemed like
00:39:19
they didn't believe my story and you
00:39:21
know for my past
00:39:23
reputation you
00:39:25
know seemed me like they just
00:39:27
disregarded it and I never heard nothing
00:39:30
no more about
00:39:32
it as time passed the tragedy faded from
00:39:36
public memory but Sue Johnson continued
00:39:39
her quest for the truth you wonder was
00:39:42
there someone who wanted this just
00:39:45
tucked away quickly and for good or was
00:39:48
it just sloppy
00:39:50
investigation or just
00:39:53
circumstances I honestly feel that it
00:39:55
was a common comination of a lot of
00:39:57
things I've talked with Sue on the phone
00:40:00
and in person many times when Dale lint
00:40:03
became the new chief of detectives he
00:40:06
reopened the case as a murder
00:40:09
investigation I told her in the
00:40:11
beginning when I I started out that
00:40:13
there may not be an answer to this but
00:40:15
we're going to keep
00:40:17
looking where Scott Johnson and his
00:40:19
friend deliberately burned to death and
00:40:22
if so why would anyone kill two
00:40:25
10-year-old
00:40:27
boys one clue may be the unusual
00:40:30
discovery that Scott made 3 weeks before
00:40:33
his
00:40:36
death look at what I found I think that
00:40:39
it's possible that there could have been
00:40:41
someone that used that area possibly for
00:40:45
a drug transaction or something and
00:40:48
maybe the people that they saw doing
00:40:50
this um thought that the kids would run
00:40:53
a block away to the sheriff substation
00:40:55
and report them
00:40:57
and therefore they felt like they had to
00:40:58
do something to stop
00:41:00
it if if we could establish a motive a
00:41:03
reason that these boys were kill
00:41:04
certainly would help the case but uh the
00:41:07
motive is is strictly a matter of
00:41:09
speculation on anybody's part as far as
00:41:11
far as I
00:41:13
know it's very hard to live every day of
00:41:15
your
00:41:17
life and wonder why your son was
00:41:19
murdered and why no one's ever done
00:41:21
anything about it in all these many
00:41:25
years
00:41:28
I hope that whoever did it gets to pay
00:41:30
for what they did
00:41:32
someday I don't care how long it
00:41:34
takes I've been patient this long I can
00:41:37
wait longer that's what it
00:41:39
takes the investigation into Scott
00:41:42
Johnson's death is still open and active
00:41:45
detectives hope that a new witness will
00:41:47
come forward with information that will
00:41:49
Point them to the
00:41:55
Killer
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