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tonight on unsolved mysteries newlywed
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Judy Smith joined her husband on a
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business trip to Philadelphia then she
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vanished without a trace some believe
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she was assaulted and lost her memory
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others thought she engineered her own
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disappearance a young girl and a five
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month-old infant are abducted now two
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grief-stricken mothers need your help
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and finding their missing children like
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the character Doctor Dolittle and Sonya
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Fitzpatrick says she can talk to the
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animals
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case after case she astounds of skeptics
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is it a miraculous gift or merely clever
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showmanship after an explosion and fire
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destroyed an arizona home firefighters
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discovered the murdered bodies of a
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woman and her two children in the
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smoldering ruins but the man of the
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house was nowhere to be found
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could this seemingly devoted husband and
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father have been involved in killing his
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own family
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join me
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someone somewhere has a one vital clue
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that can help solve a mystery perhaps
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it's you
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[Applause]
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[Music]
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Philadelphia Pennsylvania Jeff and Judy
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Smith are on vacation mixing business
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with pleasure Jim has spent the day at a
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conference Judy has been sightseeing
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they have agreed to meet at their hotel
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at 5:00 p.m. Judy
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so I got back to the hotel room about
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5:30 and she wasn't there
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and by about 6:30 I was starting to get
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worried she was somebody who believed in
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being absolutely on time in fact if you
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were on time you were already late by
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her standards
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Jeff contacts hospitals and the police
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but he turns up nothing
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he then searches Philadelphia by taxi
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driver I want to follow the route for
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the flash bus he traces a path of the
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tour bus Judy had planned to ride that
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day I was fearful that something had
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happened to her but I actually believed
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that I would be able to find her it was
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mind-boggling
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I just couldn't figure out what could
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have happened to her months went by but
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no trace of Judy Smith was found the
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Philadelphia Police were just as
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perplexed as her husband they could find
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no evidence she had been murdered or
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abducted Judy's family believed she had
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an accident and developed amnesia but
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some of her closest friends were
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convinced she engineered her own
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disappearance
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it didn't make sense to me so I thought
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that my mom didn't know who she was and
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was lost in the city and you know that
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was horrible to think Judy Smith shared
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a special closeness with Amy but two
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divorces had created a void in her life
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she and Jeff were married only five
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months before she disappeared
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independent and strong-willed she was
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adept at looking out for herself it
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possessed a generous spirit Judy was
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caring loving responsible and someone I
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loved deeply she had a way and she did
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this for me she just took people into
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our lives and somehow made them better
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just by being who she was because she
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was a very caring person the mystery
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began at Boston's Logan Airport here a
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curious chain of events began to unfold
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Judy failed to bring her driver's
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license airline regulations prohibited
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her from boarding her flight without a
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photo ID and she told me to go ahead and
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that she would take a later plane and
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come down and meet me with some
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reluctance I agreed to do that in
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Philadelphia that day
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Jeff attended his business conference at
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10:00 p.m.
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Judy arrived at their hotel I brought
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you some flowers it's an apology for
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what happened in the airport I'd have to
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apologize missed you so much
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how is your father some time after nine
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o'clock the next morning Judy set out
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for her day of sightseeing as always she
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carried her belongings in her trademark
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red backpack she had told Jeff she
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planned to visit Independence Hall and
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see the Liberty Bell whatever caused
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Judy to vanish occurred during the next
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eight hours
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after the Philadelphia police turned up
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no trace of Judy Jeff had no choice but
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to return to Boston from his office he
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faxed and mailed nine thousand flyers
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about Judy from Maine to Florida he also
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hired three private investigators but
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they uncovered no significant clues five
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months after Judy vanished
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the father-son were hiking near
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Asheville North Carolina
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they found a partially buried skeleton
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which animals have strewn over a hundred
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yard area our victim was a white female
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probably in her late 40s to mid 50s and
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the pathologist report indicates that
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there's puncher rooms and cuts on the
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bra which could be consistent with stab
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wounds
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Jeff's Flyers had been circulated
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throughout the area so a request was
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made for Judy's dental records
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forensics experts confirmed that the
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homicide victim was Judy Smith
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I was shocked I guess you always
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anticipate that your parent will die but
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I'm not early we always talked about
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night would have kids and I'm looking
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forward to that day um I guess I just
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never thought that she wouldn't be there
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for that the information came that the
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dental records matched and my first
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reaction was I didn't believe it how did
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Judy Smith end up 700 miles from where
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she vanished four eyewitnesses in
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Asheville claimed to have encountered
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Judy just days after she had
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mysteriously vanished from Philadelphia
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one of them was retail at Joanns Tucker
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she seemed very alert to me she was very
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pleasant I didn't see anything about her
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that would indicate that she wasn't
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right in any way she told me her husband
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was an attorney and that they were from
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Boston and that they had been in
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Pennsylvania and he was at a convention
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and she decided to come down here if
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Judy left Philadelphia of her own free
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will a question loomed why at the time
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this happened Jeff and Judy's marriage
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was very tenuous I believe that
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something did happen in Boston that
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triggered her to want to have some time
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away from Jeff I don't believe that she
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would have shown up at the airport
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without her driver's license if she
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hadn't decided that that was a way for
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her to kind of gracefully let Jeff head
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towards Philadelphia and give her some
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time and I think then she maybe did show
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up at the hotel brought him flowers to
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placate him and then made her move I'm
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not gonna try to suggest that she and I
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never had a disagreement but I believe
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she was happy with her life at this
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point
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she loved Jeff and you know you don't do
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that to someone that you love and if she
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did leave the only thing I could think
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is maybe she something happened to her
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before she had time to call what
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scenario resulted in Judy's murder in an
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isolated area of North Carolina who
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stabbed her and left her in a shallow
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grave was it a stranger or someone she
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may have schemed to meet in Asheville if
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you're looking for the mystery man there
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was a one is it this way Judy was the
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type of person that could have easily
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bumped into another person and spent
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some time with him everybody was a good
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person - Judy and I think that was what
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made her vulnerable - whatever happened
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to her
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it doesn't make sense that my mom would
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leave Philadelphia it doesn't make sense
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that she would be found in Asheville it
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doesn't make sense that someone would
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hurt her investigators trying to
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understand what happened found two clues
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to who may have murdered her we found a
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blue and black backpack at the crime
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scene I believe that the backpack that
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was left as I'm alone a Jewish myth I
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believe that it potentially belongs to
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our suspect there was a pair of
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sunglasses there these particular
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glasses were manufactured by Bolle they
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retail for somewhere around one hundred
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and ten dollars and speaking with Judy's
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friends Jews wouldn't have spent a
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hundred ten dollars for a pair of
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glasses well we believe that these
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glasses did not belong to Judith and
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that they potentially belonged to our
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suspect North Carolina investigators
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still have no clue why Judy Smith was
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killed no tennis Sam Casas does say
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however that they have ruled out robbery
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as a motive found at the crime scene was
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Judy's diamond wedding ring and 167
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dollars in cash
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[Music]
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[Music]
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on the night of July night
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Colleen Nick took her six-year-old
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daughter Morgan to a Little League
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baseball game in alma Arkansas it was an
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evening of shared joy between mother and
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child with no hint of a nightmare about
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to unfold we'd made the choice to go
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just Morgan and I just to have girls
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night out and it was such a warm close
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fun night throughout the evening two
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local girls asked Morgan to come play
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with them finally against my better
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judgment I told her that she could go
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and play and she threw her arms around
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my neck and gave me a big hug
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[Music]
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we could see them very clearly in the
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last time that I turned to look
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Morgan was running back and forth plan
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[Music]
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but when the baseball game ended the two
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girls returned to the field without
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Morgan file car getting the sand out of
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her shoe which car I don't know yours I
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guess she was supposed to be dumping
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sand out of her shoes by my car but I
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could see my car from where I was
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standing and she wasn't there I went
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over to the car looked around the
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outside of the car open the doors looked
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inside the car thinking she had gotten
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in even at one point looked under the
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car just thinking she has to be here
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somewhere
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and was in a couple of minutes all the
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people most of the cars were gone and it
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was very clear that Morgan wasn't there
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as a parking lot empty panic began to
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overwhelm Colleen one of the baseball
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coaches arrived and questioned the two
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girls when you were in the field were
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you there alone they remembered seeing a
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man whom they described as creepy
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talking to Morgan in the field one of
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the coaches had a cellphone and made the
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initial 911 call to law enforcement they
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arrived within six minutes and began an
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immediate and massive search for Morgan
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at night but the initial search failed
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to find Morgan Nick the media was
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alerted and flyers were posted week
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stretched into months and finally years
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with no sign of the blond-haired little
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girl it's the worst terror that any
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parent can ever feel there's such a
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sense of it not being real somehow it
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does not seem possible that your child
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could be missing that someone could have
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taken your child for five long years
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Colleen Nick a search for her daughter
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Morgan faced with the same circumstances
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many of us would have given up hope not
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Colleen in fact Colleen's personal
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tragedy has led to a remarkable
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transformation the once shy mother has
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become a leading activist for missing
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children all across the country in the
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months following Morgan's disappearance
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Colleen successfully lobbied the media
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to turn Morgan's disappearance into a
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national news story it was then that
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Colleen discovered she was not alone in
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her grief we begin to get calls from
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other parents who had heard about Morgan
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whose child was now missing
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wanting to know what they could do you
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know where did they turn what resources
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were available and from that we began to
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get involved in the bigger picture of
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children being missing
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one year after her daughter's abduction
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Colleen established the Morgan NIC
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Foundation a nonprofit organization
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dedicated to assisting families with
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missing children the foundation has been
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instrumental in bringing several
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children safely home recently county
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nick has become involved in the search
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for a missing five month old girl in
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Arizona
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Jacqueline Castaneda disappeared on May
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6th
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her mother 19 year-old Olivia Castaneda
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hopes a Colleen and the Morgan Nick
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Foundation can help find her baby
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daughter Olivia was last with her
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daughter at a swap meet outside of
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Phoenix Arizona
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my husband dropped me off there with my
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two babies and I yelling my two-year-old
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and Jacqueline my for mental baby
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I took Jacqueline out of the car with
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her car seat and nearly I took her
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walking before meeting her mother inside
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Olivia needed to use the restroom she
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finally found a portable bathroom faced
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with his cramped and dirty quarters
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Olivia made a split-second decision that
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would lead to tragedy maybe Jackie
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couldn't fit inside so I just took my
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Tirol mile inside the restroom
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cause she could've walked away if I left
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her outside I was in the restroom back
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for a minute when I came yeah Jacqueline
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wasn't hoping that her mother had taken
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the child
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Olivia rushed into the swap meet and
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they thought that my heart was beeping
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like really fast I was really scared
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mom do you have Jacqueline do you have
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the baby oh my god I lost the baby we
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gotta go bye but I felt more upset and
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more nervous when I saw my mom that she
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was by herself she had the baby and
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that's when my father died I just didn't
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know what to do
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Olivia and her mother went from booth to
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booth asking anybody if they had seen
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Jacqueline after 20 horrifying minutes
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the police were called
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Avondale Arizona police officers
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immediately sealed off the swap meet and
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began an extensive search there is an
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officer stationed at all the exits and
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along a fence line and as cars were
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leaving we would check the vehicles as
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they left as people were leaving the
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side exits through the gates we would go
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ahead and check them make sure they
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weren't carrying anything or had a car
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carrier Jacqueline was not found one of
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the swap meet vendors however did notice
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a woman who she felt was acting
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suspiciously I had my baby in the car
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seat and she started touching her so I
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went over to talk to her what she
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related to us was that there was a
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suspicious woman that actually walked up
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to her infant and caressed her infant's
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face and said what a beautiful baby this
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made her feel uneasy and this caused her
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pay attention to this particular woman
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but authorities were unable to find
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anyone who matched the vendors
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description Holly Nick was informed by a
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National Missing Children's agency that
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a baby girl had been abducted in Arizona
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yeah Morgan Nick foundations sprang into
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action were able to do posters were able
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to email Jaclyn's information out to
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people who might not otherwise get it
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and then to also counsel her family over
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the phone if they would like to talk to
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us on June 25th Colleen Nick traveled
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Avondale Arizona to meet Olivia
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Castaneda for the first time and
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consoled her in person it could be the
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day that they call and say that they
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found her Olivia who blames herself for
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her child's abduction was comforted to
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know that she is not alone in her
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suffering she had her daughter's stolen
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too and she knows what you're failing in
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it's nicer to talk to someone that knows
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what you're going through
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[Music]
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I find that it's the greatest need that
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a family has just to be able to look
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someone in the eye and to know that
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there are other people who haven't given
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up hope to know that you're gonna
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survive this that you're going to come
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through this and that hopefully your
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child is going to come home and I think
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that is what I try to bring to families
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the most is that hope and that
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reassurance assisted by the Morgan Nick
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foundation police continue to search for
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Jacqueline Castaneda she is now five
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months old and has a unique heart-shaped
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birthmark on her upper right arm the
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selfless work Colleen nick performs on
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behalf of families with missing children
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has not detracted from her primary goal
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to find her own daughter Morgan but
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someday I believe that I will look my
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daughter in the eye and say I've fought
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for you every day as hard as I could and
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that is why you're home today I believe
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and I hope every single day that I get
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out that today is the day that Martin
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comes home and every night when I go to
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bed and she's not back yet I know that
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I'm one day closer to getting her back
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[Music]
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racehorse trainer Mary Clark is worried
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her promising filly reckless has been
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behaving erratically three different
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vets have been unable to determine why
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desperate she turns to Sonya Fitzpatrick
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of Houston Texas like the classic
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character dr. Dolittle Sonya says she
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can communicate with animals I can tell
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you this horse is in terrible pain all
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down the left side of the face and I
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don't know how she's Sonya immediately
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showed concern for the mayor she said
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this horse is in tremendous pain and
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it's on the left side of her nostril or
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somewhere on the left side pain was a
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plausible explanation for recklessness
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mysterious conduct over the past several
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months
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unknown to Sonya reckless had been
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rearing back violently before all her
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races reckless and easy acting up in the
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starting gate even worse if she
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sometimes flipped over backwards putting
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herself in her jockey impairment and now
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she's telling me she's flipping to try
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and get away from the pain when I heard
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the words flip I was astonished because
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I hadn't discussed the flipping and my
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heart was broken because that meant that
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this mayor had been flipping in these
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races because of excruciating pain
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no it's not a tooth it's it's something
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I'm feeling that there's something stuck
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in here I said to Mary you really need
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to have this left-side x-rayed because I
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feel there's something stuck in there at
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Texas A&M University
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veterinarians take x-rays of reckless
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focusing on the area specified by Sonya
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amazingly the x-rays confirmed there is
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a mysterious foreign object embedded
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inside wreckless his head next a
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veterinary surgeon attempts to removed
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you're not gonna believe what we found
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he open his hand and he said this is
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what we found in the mayor's charleen
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the object is a metal fragment that has
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broken off from the horses halter it was
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a pretty horrifying thing to look at he
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said this would have been the most
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painful thing I can ever imagine
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reckless recovers fully following the
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surgery she is now retired from racing
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completely free from pain Sonya truly
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talks to these horses they are giving
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her conversation they are sharing with
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her their their feelings their wants and
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their desires it's an amazing gift
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animals love to talk they love it when
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you answer them the first time they have
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someone that answers them they are so
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pleased and it's like oh he really can
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talk our language
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consarn fitzpatrick truly speak
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telepathically with animals very merely
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a talented showman 5000 animal lovers
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who paid for her services are convinced
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her gifts are genuine skeptics say she's
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doing nothing more than picking up on
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the body language of pets or inadvertent
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cues from their owners or put Sonia to
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the test before our unsolved mysteries
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cameras and allow you to judge for
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yourself
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Debbie Oliver is among those who did not
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believe in Sonja's professed power
00:25:06
Debbie operates a dog kennel in Houston
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Texas and is no stranger to animal
00:25:12
behavior I thought you know she probably
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just kind of looks at their body
00:25:16
language and she can tell what they're
00:25:18
thinking well I can do that then we
00:25:20
thought this is the stupidest thing I
00:25:22
have ever heard of despite her disbelief
00:25:25
Debbie was curious so she and her
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husband Duane scheduled a session with
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Sonya to see for themselves one of the
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ways Sonya claims to communicate with
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animals is by inspecting a photograph
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this method she says is just as accurate
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as interacting directly with the animal
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I thought this was just basically a
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waste of money it's one of the reasons I
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went is I just didn't want my wife to
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waste any more money on it I told Debbie
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to make sure that she didn't tip Sonja
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off and she didn't that's true when
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Sonja talked about the ice cubes that
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got my attention right away
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we thought that's a really specific item
00:26:17
how in the world did she know that and
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he is sending me a picture of little
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balls blue balls other dogs playing with
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all these blue balls the more the
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suction when I'm the more amazed I
00:26:28
became on on what was happening there
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who is this is a dog that here she's
00:26:33
just coming in what's her name that's
00:26:35
Miss Daisy Miss Daisy wants to know
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where is that pink thing something with
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her ears that goes on ahead and
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something matching that goes here pink
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and her oh my gosh I just went to a flea
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market a couple weeks ago and I got her
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this little hat that I have to pull her
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ears through cuz she's got long floppy
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ears and a pink bandana that matches it
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well she'd like to wear it more often
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monthlies and can you put that on her
00:27:02
when she goes home
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very polite your dogs there's just no
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way she could have known that unless she
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had a detective living with us or had
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cameras here so that's kind of when we
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started thinking this is pretty amazing
00:27:16
somehow she really is talking to these
00:27:19
animals Sonya says her rare ability
00:27:23
developed in childhood it came about she
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claims because she suffered a
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significant hearing loss that persists
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to this day having a hearing loss
00:27:32
my sense is heightened and animal senses
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are very heightened so I think that is
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why I was able to speak to animals
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because I drew on my other senses
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if Sonja's gift is genuinely consience
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account for it
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Jessica Utz is a professor of statistics
00:27:50
at UC Davis for statistical evaluations
00:27:54
a psychic phenomena indicate it may be
00:27:56
valid one possible explanation for what
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Sonya is doing is that we and animals as
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well have some sort of sense that we
00:28:05
used to rely on before we had language
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and that that sense is still quite vital
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in animals because they don't have
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language and that Sonya is somehow able
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to pick up on that information
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animals speak in pictures so if I was to
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say to you
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could you tell me where Buckingham
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Palace is or the Statue of Liberty you
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form a picture in your mind you've
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visualized it and that picture is going
00:28:31
out into your energy fields and the
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animals see those pictures and receive
00:28:35
them from wherever you are I think the
00:28:37
more likely explanations here are that
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she's reading the body language of the
00:28:41
owners or the body language of the
00:28:43
animals it is probably also the case
00:28:45
that we occasionally hear a spectacular
00:28:47
story where she gets information that no
00:28:50
one could possibly know but what we
00:28:52
don't know is how many times there were
00:28:53
other stories that turned out not to be
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true Sonya we are Sonya to visit pets
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and owners she had never met before in
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front of our unsolved mysteries cameras
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we selected them independently
00:29:06
Sonya had no prior knowledge of their
00:29:09
background that's many many many she's
00:29:14
approximately five years old okay now
00:29:17
Minnie says she lives with other animals
00:29:20
as well so you better tell me what the
00:29:21
other cat's name is the other cat's name
00:29:24
is Murphy Murphy there was a time when
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she felt sick I don't I don't recall her
00:29:32
being sick she's feeling stick what is
00:29:35
it you use in your house on the floors
00:29:37
we don't use anything on the floors
00:29:40
other than vacuuming on the carpet and
00:29:42
no what do you use that you wash your
00:29:45
floors with sorry ammonia bleach exactly
00:29:50
it's the worst thing you can do for your
00:29:52
cat she discussed the fact that my cat
00:29:54
seemed to have some illness related to
00:29:57
the cleaning products that I used on my
00:29:58
kitchen floor and the fact of the matter
00:30:00
is the cat is now an outdoor cat and has
00:30:02
been for some time now many things she's
00:30:05
in charge and she's telling me she's in
00:30:07
charge so I overall I would say on a
00:30:08
scale of one to ten she she got two
00:30:14
right out of ten some animals are really
00:30:18
clear with their communication and very
00:30:20
direct and then just as people others
00:30:24
don't communicate so well so before they
00:30:27
can send you a reply back so that is the
00:30:29
reason why
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times I don't always get something and I
00:30:33
do occasionally get an almost like that
00:30:35
hello beautiful hi what's your horse's
00:30:39
name Charlie Charlie Charlie Charlie is
00:30:44
an 11 year old racehorse Sonya has not
00:30:48
been told that he almost died recently
00:30:50
after suffering continual abuse from a
00:30:52
previous owner he's very emotional he um
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he's had a lot of pain in his life and
00:31:00
I'm feeling that pain from him and he's
00:31:03
had a tremendous amount of Bute abuse I
00:31:06
was surprised that she picked up on the
00:31:09
fact that he had been abused so quickly
00:31:11
I really expected her to ask me
00:31:14
questions that anybody could figure out
00:31:16
okay well from that I would assume that
00:31:19
he had been abused but she basically
00:31:21
started just talking to me his leg it
00:31:24
also had a problem here
00:31:26
here sorry here it was real strange that
00:31:29
she would be able to pinpoint an injury
00:31:32
from his hip because there's there's no
00:31:34
scars I mean he was in such pain and
00:31:37
agony at one time and something with the
00:31:41
foot that was really painful he has a
00:31:44
crack in his in his hoof and she knew
00:31:47
which hoof was cracked and that brings
00:31:49
back the memories every time the ears
00:31:51
are touched the hardest part is when an
00:31:54
animal has been abused and sometimes
00:31:57
even now I think oh god I don't want to
00:31:59
hear this I don't want to hear what's
00:32:01
been done I don't want to know but I
00:32:02
have to know to be able to help them I
00:32:04
have to know what's going on he wants to
00:32:07
know is he going to be staying with you
00:32:08
forever and ever oh absolutely
00:32:10
I get tremendous inner satisfaction the
00:32:13
fact that I've been able to be a voice
00:32:15
for the animals it feeds my soul that's
00:32:19
the only way I can tell you it feeds my
00:32:22
soul and my spirit and yes I love it I
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love talking to the animals
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it's a big fire it's really big
00:32:48
8:42 a.m. Scottsdale Arizona
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the quiet residential neighborhood was
00:32:54
rocked by a powerful explosion the force
00:32:57
of the blast ripped through the roof of
00:32:58
this ranch-style home causing it to
00:33:00
burst into flames firefighters quickly
00:33:03
contained the swift-moving blaze but not
00:33:05
before much of the residents had been
00:33:07
destroyed the home was owned by Robert
00:33:11
and Mary Fisher who lived there with her
00:33:13
two children 12-year old Brittany and 10
00:33:17
year-old Bobby jr. when efforts to
00:33:21
locate the Fisher's proved unsuccessful
00:33:22
the fire department feared the worst
00:33:25
that the entire family had perished in
00:33:27
the blaze when rescuers were finally
00:33:30
able to get inside the house they found
00:33:32
the remains of Mary Fisher and her two
00:33:34
children in the smoldering ruins still
00:33:37
lying in their beds they appeared to
00:33:39
have died in their sleep but the remains
00:33:44
of Robert Fisher were not found in the
00:33:46
burned-out home and he continues to be
00:33:48
missing within days and vestigators
00:33:51
learned that it was not the fire that
00:33:52
killed Mary Fisher and her two children
00:33:54
the three victims that had their throats
00:33:57
cut could Robert Fischer the seemingly
00:34:01
dedicated family man also have been a
00:34:03
ruthless killer if so he was hiding a
00:34:06
terrible secret his own sister found
00:34:08
impossible to comprehend
00:34:12
my brother loved his kids and his wife a
00:34:16
year ago there's no way I would have
00:34:19
imagined any of this there was I trusted
00:34:22
my brother with my life there's no way I
00:34:25
would have thought he would be capable
00:34:26
of this
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the fishers were known as a devoted
00:34:34
church-going family Robert and Mary met
00:34:41
in high school and had been married for
00:34:42
16 years
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Brittany attended junior high Bobby was
00:34:47
a fifth grader after a stint in the Navy
00:34:52
Robert Fischer served as a firefighter
00:34:54
before a back injury cut short his
00:34:56
career within a few years he became a
00:34:59
proud father of two children Robert was
00:35:03
a very private person outwardly he's
00:35:06
perceived as a good father good husband
00:35:09
church-going man during the
00:35:12
investigation we found that Robert
00:35:14
Fisher had a number of faces number of
00:35:16
masks that he wore what a man who wore
00:35:20
masks try to disguise a state of his
00:35:22
marriage investigators learned from
00:35:24
friends and co-workers that there may
00:35:26
have been mounting turbulence in the
00:35:27
Fisher home two years prior to the
00:35:30
murders Robert came to marry with
00:35:32
troubling news
00:35:33
remember the massage therapist I was
00:35:36
going to because my back honey I ended
00:35:41
up having an affair with her
00:35:43
Mary was shattered by his infidelity
00:35:57
Fisher headed to a forest north of
00:35:59
Scottsdale recent solace at his favorite
00:36:02
hunting grounds
00:36:13
when he returned a few days later he and
00:36:17
Mary reconciled and even agreed to
00:36:18
counseling at their church we need to
00:36:21
address the personal issues those are
00:36:25
the things that usually are at the crux
00:36:27
of any dispute disagreement Robert had
00:36:30
suffered deep emotional scars at the
00:36:32
divorce of his own parents and he was
00:36:34
adamant that his children not be
00:36:36
subjected to that same emotional pain
00:36:39
Robert had told my dad many times that
00:36:42
divorce was not an option he would not
00:36:45
be divorced like his parents were he did
00:36:47
state that several times Robert did but
00:36:52
despite his determination marital
00:36:54
troubles apparently resurfaced in the
00:36:56
Fisher home just prior to the murders
00:36:58
Mary never told me that there were any
00:37:00
problems but there was arguing a lot I
00:37:03
think Robert was very controlling
00:37:05
telling her things that he didn't need
00:37:08
to say in front of a lot of people we
00:37:11
spoke with a very close friend of Mary's
00:37:14
and learned that she had confided in her
00:37:19
that she was thinking about divorcing
00:37:21
Robert neighbors told investigators that
00:37:27
late on the night of the murders the
00:37:29
fishers had a loud disagreement I'm
00:37:31
calling the lawyer tomorrow I don't
00:37:33
think that he planned this on this
00:37:36
particular day this is what I'm going to
00:37:39
do I think that it precipitated over a
00:37:43
long period of time and there was that
00:37:46
one thing that triggered it and that
00:37:49
could have been the the argument
00:37:52
could Robert Fisher have murdered his
00:37:54
wife and children rather than put them
00:37:56
through the heartache of divorce the
00:37:58
crime-scene investigation had uncovered
00:38:00
intriguing clues a disconnected natural
00:38:03
gas line an out-of-place candlestick
00:38:06
holder and the residue of some form of
00:38:08
highly flammable liquid which led
00:38:10
detectives to piece together a chilling
00:38:12
scenario of what they believe transpired
00:38:14
on the night of the murders there was
00:38:16
some type of a lacerated trauma to all
00:38:19
three victims necks which could not have
00:38:22
occurred during the fire several hours
00:38:26
before the explosion investigators
00:38:28
theorize that Robert Fisher slashed the
00:38:30
throats of each of his children and then
00:38:32
his wife in addition to having her
00:38:36
throat cut evidence also showed Mary
00:38:39
Fisher was shot fire from a gas
00:38:49
explosion usually isn't as intense as
00:38:52
the fire at the Fisher residence so
00:38:54
there was some type of other flammable
00:38:56
material used investigators think Robert
00:39:01
Fisher dumps the house with the
00:39:02
ignitable fluid then the former
00:39:04
firefighter is believed to have
00:39:06
disconnected the line leading to the gas
00:39:08
furnace as a source of ignition we
00:39:12
believe that a candle with a candle
00:39:15
holder was used as a timing device in
00:39:18
order to allow Robert time to leave the
00:39:21
residence hours later once a sufficient
00:39:25
amount of gas had built up this candle
00:39:27
then triggered the explosion and ignited
00:39:29
the subsequent fire
00:39:35
Robert committed the arson in order to
00:39:39
cover up the murders believing that the
00:39:41
bodies would be burned beyond
00:39:43
recognition and would have covered up
00:39:46
any sign of what had happened but it
00:39:49
didn't cover it up quite as well as
00:39:51
expected
00:39:56
a full-scale manhunt turned up few leads
00:40:02
then ten days later Mary Fisher's SUV
00:40:05
which disappeared the same night as the
00:40:07
murders was spotted by a hiker more than
00:40:10
100 miles away in the town tow National
00:40:12
Forest
00:40:13
it had apparently been left there that
00:40:15
day before it was clean
00:40:17
there was no dust on it it was
00:40:19
underneath pine trees and there was very
00:40:22
little pine tree needles on top of the
00:40:25
vehicle or in the vehicle which
00:40:27
indicated to us that it had probably
00:40:29
been dumped there within 24 hours of
00:40:32
discovery investigators descended on the
00:40:38
remote area they learned from Fisher's
00:40:40
friends that he went there often on
00:40:42
hunting trips the conditions were harsh
00:40:44
and the landscape itself was riddled
00:40:46
with hundreds of caves days of extensive
00:40:51
searching would prove fruitless
00:40:54
two theories emerged one speculated that
00:40:57
a despondent Robert Fischer took refuge
00:40:59
in one of the caves or he eventually
00:41:01
committed suicide the other theory
00:41:11
suggested that a cunning Fischer left
00:41:13
the SUV behind to divert the attention
00:41:15
of investigators and then vanished where
00:41:18
would he be now how could he have gotten
00:41:20
to where he would be he didn't take any
00:41:22
money with him and he would be in so
00:41:26
much physical pain from his back I don't
00:41:31
know if he did this I don't know how he
00:41:32
could be alive knowing how much my
00:41:35
brother loved his family
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however detective John Kirkham does not
00:41:43
subscribe to the suicide theory and he
00:41:45
feels that Robert Fischer is not dead
00:41:48
the theory of Robert Fischer meaning
00:41:51
suicide in the woods after leaving the
00:41:54
vehicle I believe is a remote
00:41:58
possibility the vehicle itself was about
00:42:05
a quarter of a mile off of a improved
00:42:08
Forest Service Road it's a fairly active
00:42:11
area with a lot of traffic on that road
00:42:13
and there are various places that one
00:42:19
could use a phone catch a ride that sort
00:42:22
of thing he has now probably started a
00:42:26
new life under an assumed identity if
00:42:33
Robert wanted to kill himself he would
00:42:35
have done it when he killed Mary Britney
00:42:37
and Bobby is one of my belief so I do
00:42:40
believe Robert is a lot of yes Robert
00:42:43
Fischer has been indicted for the
00:42:45
murders of his wife and children Fischer
00:42:47
is 41 years old stands 6 feet taller
00:42:50
weighs 190 pounds he also has surgical
00:42:53
scars on his lower back and a gold crown
00:42:55
on his upper left canine tooth Robert
00:42:58
Fischer should be considered armed and
00:43:00
dangerous
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