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what did your doctor give you to make
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you lose all this weight what is it what
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is your celebrity doctor giving you tell
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the truth
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people people on twitter are like your
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your twitter account sounding a lot more
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like jake out and i'm like
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i think we're on the same diet i think
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that's what's going on here
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and they've just
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hey everybody hey everybody welcome to
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another episode of the all in
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pod with us today of course the queen of
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quinoa
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and from his castle in italy
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the cackling uh dictator trim off paulie
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hoppetea nice gardenias
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and back from his
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big big battle his brawl
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unblocked and undefeated
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the rain man himself david sacks and
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judging by the comments
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uh i'd say dominant oh you read the
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comments
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just another sign of your obsession with
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how you're perceived
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rule number one don't read the comments
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we're not doing it again it shows
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because you're not listening to the
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comments so it makes sense
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oh okay go ahead and you've got your
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whole troll army
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how many people have you hired on your
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social media team to troll me from
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anonymous accounts on twitter now to
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prove your points
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now you're paranoid too all right i'm
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not going to don't be paranoid don't be
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paranoid anyway
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we've patched things up don't break the
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peace we have dayton
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all right so freeburg is busy
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uh writing tweet storms now um
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about the drought in california which
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seems to be
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uh just gonna be a really bad year
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basically so freeburg walk us through it
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how bad is california's drought gonna be
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this year so the drought is already very
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bad
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um i put out a lot of tweets at two in
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the morning last night i think i drank
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way too much caffeine yesterday i'm in
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the mountains and like the only way i
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can avoid having headaches is like
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drinking caffeine all day and it
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was a mistake it kept me up all night
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you're sure it's not fair
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maybe you're so excited about this
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that you
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so you know the the big tweet storm i
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put out at two in the morning last night
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kind of highlighted that there was a
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paper
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published in 2018 2019
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that showed how you know north america
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particularly the western half of north
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america is in this you know
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mega drought that we haven't seen in you
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know 500 plus years
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and since that paper was published you
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know um in 2019
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conditions have only worsened i we
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talked about this a few pods ago but
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like the
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snowpack level in california reached
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zero percent throughout the entire state
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by june 1st that has never happened
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before
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temperatures in british columbia as you
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guys know reached over 120 degrees for
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several days in a row
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last week which has never been seen in
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history in british columbia
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um you know there was a paper published
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today that estimates that over a billion
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animals and life forms were wiped out in
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the coastal region of british columbia
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because of this heat wave
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and the temperatures in in california
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are obviously excessive as well not as
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bad as they were last year
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but what matters most is that the
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moisture conditions in our forest land
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is lower than we've ever seen at this
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time of year
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in history and so this all sets us up
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and
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and the other kind of big consequence
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the high temperatures is causing an
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increased demand for air conditioners
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that's the big variable in power demand
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on all grids
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and the low snowpack means that we're
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not getting hydroelectric power
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hydroelectric power is down by 70
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percent in the state of california over
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where we were in 2019
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because there's no snow that's melting
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causing the rivers to flow and about 11
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to 15
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of our state's electricity comes from
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hydroelectric power so we're gonna have
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more power demand
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we have less power available we have
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extremely dry forests
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um and so this is setting us up for a
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number of possible disasters this year
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and so rather than just trying to sound
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the alarm bells what i'm pointing out is
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that there may be some things that we
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should
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be thinking about doing to try and get
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ahead of some of the consequences of
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these um these big risks like
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you know having enough masks for people
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to breathe outside so we don't have to
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shut down schools and shut down outdoor
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work and all the
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things that might happen having
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community centers that have power
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available the state is scrambling to
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find excess power
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on the grid right now but um you know it
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just highlights that there's a moment
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here
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that is almost like where we were going
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into covid
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it may not happen but the probability is
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high enough that something bad may
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happen that we should probably start to
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get prepared for it
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you know we should probably be talking
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about the things we're doing to get
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prepared for it and we're talking about
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and we should be talking about the
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things we're going to do to make sure
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that communities are safe and people are
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safe and businesses can keep operating
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because if the state of california has
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150 aqi which is the air quality index
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workers can't work outside and all the
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outdoor work which employs three million
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californians has to shut down
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and you know you kind of start to add
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these things up it's like what are we
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going to do as this happens not if this
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happens and we should kind of be
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planning for it
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and i don't see much happening in terms
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of planning and preparation and talking
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about
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the opportunity history rhymes because
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if you remember uh
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and this is all going into a recall
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election in the fall
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uh this was a different but kind of
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equivalent setup where
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you guys remember we were having all
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these blackouts and brownouts when
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uh gray davis was recalled and then
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schwarzenegger just swooped up out of
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nowhere and
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you know people thought ah that there's
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no chance and people were just
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frustrated because the quality of life
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took a
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measurable step backwards uh in the
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intervening six or nine months before
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the recall election and so
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it'll be really interesting to see how
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gavin newsom manages all of this because
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if he can't get
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the state's act together and you have
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all of these issues
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at hand and a credible
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candidate emerges um you could have some
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really interesting
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political fireworks in september a big
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part of this correctness from wrong
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friedeberg is that
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we live in essentially like a lot of
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desert area here in california and we
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just haven't invested in
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the desalination plants we have one
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that's come on
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since 2005 and i think there's another
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one in socal that was mothballed and
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they
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during the last round wanted to open it
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up again but we now have one in
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carlsbad the uh clawed bud
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lewis carlsbad desalinization plant that
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is now
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i think that cost us a billion bucks but
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israel correct me if i'm wrong is now
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they charge three times as much for
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water than we do so people
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take water seriously and they actually
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monitor their water usage
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and they have desalinization and they
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have more water than they need per
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capita
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well desal doesn't really solve a number
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of these problems that i'm highlighting
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you know
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the probability of the the forest land
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on the west coast not just in california
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but all up and down the west coast
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catching on fire is very high
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no number of desal plants is going to
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put out those fires when that happens
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the air quality is going to get really
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bad you know like we saw last year i
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don't know
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you guys remember i escaped to lake
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michigan last summer when the the
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remember yeah and it was um
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it was insane you know it doesn't desal
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plants don't solve the air quality
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problem where people can't work outside
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your kids can't go to school
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et cetera et cetera um desal plants
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don't solve the problem of hydroelectric
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plants which
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require snowpack to melt to get rivers
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to run
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to turn those turbines to generate
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electricity for the state nuclear would
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solve that though
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nuclear would solve that certainly and
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so you know the point is we're kind of
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reaching this apex of
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are we going to do climate change
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adaptation are we going to have um
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you know kind of long-term systemic
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solutions that we're going to start to
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put in place for these risks that we
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face
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and more importantly from an acute
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perspective in the near term
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what are the actions we should be taking
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to protect communities and get ahead of
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this problem so it's not a scramble
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after the crisis which is what we
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typically do with these sorts of
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criteria
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we're not investing in infrastructure if
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we put in some nuclear power plants if
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we did more desal
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and we did more forest management or put
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more fire breaks into
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you know all this i'm talking about the
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simple solutions like
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those three things would be massive
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wouldn't they well those are long-term
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solutions i'm talking about like for
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this summer
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this summer is it even solvable we need
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community no but we need to prepare for
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what is going to happen this summer so
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when communities get run out
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what are we going to do you know do we
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have community centers set up where
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people can get
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water and power do we have masks
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available so that outdoor workers can
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keep working in the state
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you know all of these things that we
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could be doing to get in front of the
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inevitable consequences
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of these risks i think are things that
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we should be actively if you're in
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california you should order your air
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purifiers now
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we ordered six more of these conway ones
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that we used last year that were amazing
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get in there
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we have the n95 maps we ordered them
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already and
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we're gonna put in a power generator
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which i know not everybody is able to do
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but you can buy a portable one for as
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little as three or four hundred bucks i
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think now
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so portable generator in case you lose
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power stock up on everything else
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we need those solutions like i think
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there's gonna be a big kind of power
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generator push right like
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distributed power's always been
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something that's the whole point of
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solar you get the solar on your roof
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you get your own power um but how are
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you going to keep your ac running when
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it's 120 degrees outside if you have no
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power you know that that's kind of a
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very scary
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um circumstance of heat waves and it's
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um
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it's something that we should have a
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real plan around and if i were the
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governor
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or if i were kind of california
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leadership or leadership up and down the
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west coast you know the western
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governors
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i'd probably be running a daily press
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conference starting now saying let's
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just get in front of this problem and
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talk about what are the risks we're
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seeing what are the problems they're
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seeing and what we're doing about it
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just so people feel reassured because
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you know scrambling after a crisis
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doesn't make anyone feel better
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you know showing that we're prepared and
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we're taking action to get in front of
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this crisis which is
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not 100 certain but it's a greater than
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zero percent probability
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is something that could helpfully kind
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of reassure and start to put the pieces
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in place
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um for the near term by the way just
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just for those that don't really
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appreciate how interconnected everything
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is the basics the science basics on
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drought as i learned about them
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were really really incredible so you
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think okay well
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how how is all this stuff connected it
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turns out that you know as we have
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warmer and warmer temperatures
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yeah i didn't know this freeberg you
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probably do this but it accelerates
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soil evaporation and then there's this
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really terrible feedback loop that
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starts which is you have drier soil
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which means you have less vegetation and
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then as a result you have less what's
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called evapotranspiration
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which means there's less regional
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precipitation and then this whole thing
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just starts to spin and spin and spin
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you have warmer temperatures that
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results in less snow pack the snow
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plaque
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the snowpack melts earlier and we have a
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situation now
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in the united states which is just
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incredible i saw a graph which is
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one of soil moisture and it shows
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basically the western half of the united
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states
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is in the first percentile of
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soil moisture looking back over many
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many decades
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so well and then all of that vegetation
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dries up
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and then no jason we're
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well even worse than this we're in a
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position where you know we are
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threatening our own food supply
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and just just just to put a uh a
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finer point on this it's not just the
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western half of the united states
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that's now suffering from this it's
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brazil it's the mediterranean and
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southern europe and it's large parts of
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africa
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you add up all those number of people
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there are many countries there that are
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actually
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self-sufficient which will then no
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longer be will have to import food
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that food quality is you know
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questionable at best in some cases
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so we're in a really tough position here
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and saw it's isn't this all solvable
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with technology i mean if we just tax
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people a little more for the water usage
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if we really invested in the desal
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plants if we really invested in nuclear
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we could actually flip this whole thing
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the same way it's spiraling in the wrong
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direction
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it could spiral in the right direction
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two things on the water side i've been
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looking at
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water investing for a while there's a
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there's a real problem which is you know
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when i when i looked at this uh
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my team found some incredibly
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interesting opportunities largely it
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it evolves around owning water rights
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right and then basically selling them
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back to the state and when states get in
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difficult situations the problem is
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i think it's politically intolerable for
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let's just say somebody like me um to
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own those kinds of waters
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yeah i think i think it's i think it's
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no bueno the the idea then that i had
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was like well maybe what we should be
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doing is buying these things and
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sticking them in a foundation so that we
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can guarantee water
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for people in certain states maybe that
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flies
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i'm not so sure that's the government's
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job that's the government's job
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but then they're not doing their job but
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they're incompetent
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they're unfortunately not uh not as
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skilled as you'd want them to be on this
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stuff sax how would you spin this
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uh out of this death spiral and into
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abundance
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is there a way well i mean the the first
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thing to realize here is that this is
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not
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a black swan event i mean this is
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entirely foreseeable
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drought conditions have existed in
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california for
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a long time in fact 200 years yeah well
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and even
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maybe going back millions of years i
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mean geologists have found evidence
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that you know millions of years ago you
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would have
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millions of acres of california burning
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every year
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and so drought conditions have existed
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for a long time
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has climate change amplified that and
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made it worse
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yes but this is entirely foreseeable we
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know we're dealing with these conditions
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and in fact back on his first day in
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office in 2019
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newsom held his very first press
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conference about this issue on emergency
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preparedness for fires but the problem
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is
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there's been no follow through and so um
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news you know to go back to chamas point
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about the political
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ramifications here you could have a gray
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davis
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like situation with the recall where all
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of a sudden newsome goes from being the
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favorite to potentially losing
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because of fire season um but by the way
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i mean the whole reason why
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the the recall election is happening in
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september now instead of october
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november is because newsom is precisely
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worried about the gray davis scenario
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and there this recall is supposed to
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happen in the october november time
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frame
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they've moved it up to september because
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newsome thinks there's a higher chance
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of fading
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the worst of fire season by doing the
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election sooner the problem for him
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is that fire season now starts in august
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and so we could be in the middle of fire
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season
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when this recall election happens and
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this thing could boom rang on him but
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back to the point about
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you know newsome held this press
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conference back in in january of 2019
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and the problem is there hasn't been any
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real follow through
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on forest management so you know newsome
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was recently caught in a lie
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saying that you know they had basically
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treated 90 000 acres
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this is what this uh article i'll put in
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the chat said
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in reality that only really treated
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about 11 000 acres even 90 000 would be
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inadequate right they're not doing
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enough
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and the way um you know i talked to a
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very prominent person who knows
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california politics
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well and knows all the players and what
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he said is look the fundamental problem
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is that gavin is not
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operational right he's fantastic at
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fundraising
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he says all the right things at press
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conferences
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but but not everything is about running
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for reelection
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and the problem is he has not managed to
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this outcome
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and and so now we're in the situation
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where to freebird's point we're going to
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be scrambling
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after the fact now what is newsome's
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excuse going to be it's going to be you
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know climate change it's going to be
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global warming
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it's kind of the all-purpose dog ate my
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homework excuse
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for anything that goes wrong as eakin is
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blaming on climate change
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but the reality is we knew about climate
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change climate change something we have
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to live with
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even if we stop it in its tracks from
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this point forward
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we're not going to be able to reverse
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the effects it's already had
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and so we need leaders who will step up
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and and get much more aggressive
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about preventing this problem i think my
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and by the way my tweet
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i didn't mention climate change at all i
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got you know i don't think that that's
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even the point
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the point is we are facing acute
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conditions on the
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in the western half of the united a
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number of st
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and severe consequences those acute
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conditions
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you know you could blame them on climate
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change and say that they're part of
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climate change it doesn't change the
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reality
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they are here today and we have to deal
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with them um and i think
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yeah we have a we have a couple of
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things that are
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that are uh going to happen here in
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short order that i think can make this
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thing
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accelerated a little so there's a uh an
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organization a a department in the
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united states government that's not very
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well known called the u.s
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bureau of reclamation usbr and they are
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the ones that will make formal
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assessments of water levels and
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there's a really important assessment
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that's going to happen in lake mead
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at the end of this year and the reason
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why it's critical is that if the u.s
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bureau of reclamation measures lake mead
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under um a certain
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threshold they can declare a tier one
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shortage
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and what that means just practically
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speaking cutting through all the
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you know jargon is that initially the
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state of arizona will be denied around
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600
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000 acre feet of water next year what
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does that mean that's about
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15 of the demand for that state
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and so you're going to start you know to
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deal with these sort of like
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rolling i don't know what we're even
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going to call these water out
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scenarios where uh it's not just about
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watering your lawn that's not going to
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be possible it's going to be a whole
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bunch of other things now
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there is a solution and this is where
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california can come to the rescue for
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most of the western united states if
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they really want to
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or at least for the rest of california
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which is there is an
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enormous untapped groundwater
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uh aquifer in southern california which
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is the size of lake mead
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um it's an incredibly unique thing it's
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actually owned by a public company
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and the whole goal was okay well let's
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just build a pipeline
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right from the aquifier to deliver
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drinking water
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to folks that you know are lacking water
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and this has been a multi-year
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you know bordering on multi-decade slog
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because of california politicians
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because water
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has become highly politicized no one
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wants to pay the full cost for a
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commodity that they frankly view as a
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right
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but then they don't want to step in to
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do the work to actually make it
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reasonable and viable so this whole
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thing is just
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again that david as you said the dog ate
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my homework and now we're really playing
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with some very complicated things that
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are really out of the control and
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intellectual capacity of the
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of frankly state governments which is
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the interconnectedness of weather
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temperature water our soil our food
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supply
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it's uh i think what's so frustrating
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about this is this is so easily
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stoppable and we are not doing
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the blocking and tackling the free
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throws the basic things
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if you look at just monitoring our water
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usage
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i invested in two companies one of them
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didn't work out
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but both of them were to monitor water
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usage and what we learned was at a
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campus like stanford
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they have like four water meters like
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they're not going down to the building
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level in some cases there'll be like
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four buildings on one water meter
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and you can very easily at each sink
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at each you know shower head you can put
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a device that cost
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25 bucks installed it just wraps around
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the
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the the water the the the pipe
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and it could tell you how it's flowing
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and we lose 20 30 percent of our water
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to
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leaks nobody is monitoring their usage
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because there is no cost to it
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to chamat's point and then you look at
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these crazy
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insane almond and other uh
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agriculture in the the middle of
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california
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they are using flood irrigation which
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i'm sure friedberg can give us an
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education at versus what you know the
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trip irrigation that they use and other
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reclaiming methods in israel and other
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places
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so we look at water as like to chamots
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point some
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crazy god-given right that we can just
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splash it everywhere we can take
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20-minute showers and then we allow how
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crazy is this
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we allow the bottling of water in
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california we allow these companies to
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bottle water and then sell it
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and we don't even monitor our usage we
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have well we are
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so entitled it is gross nuisance biggest
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donors uh who who's that family that
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grows all the almonds or whatever
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whoever they are the resnicks the
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resnicks single biggest do
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them in the teachers unions oh linda
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resnick and those palm people
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with the palm stuff it's total political
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corruption right i mean they get
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it's chinatown it's literally the movie
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chinatown yeah
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well i think so to this point about why
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aren't politicians solving the problems
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i mean to make a meta point
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there's a great tweet from thomas soul
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or the person who manages
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the thomas soul account where he said
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no one will really understand politics
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until they understand that politicians
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are not trying to solve our problems
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they're trying to solve their own
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problems which are getting elected
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and re-elected that's number one number
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one stay in office that is their right
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goal three is far behind and and that
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that's basically the situation we have
00:21:27
is
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i think newsome actually is a little bit
00:21:29
like trump not in his personal style but
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in that he thinks he can talk his way
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out of problems
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and he's not going to focus on solving a
00:21:38
problem when he can just spin his way
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out of it by the way i just think you
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guys should know
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the you know because a lot of people
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talk about residential water use that is
00:21:46
also kind of an acute and local problem
00:21:48
where depending on your water supply how
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much water you have available to your
00:21:53
community
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but in terms of aggregate water use the
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vast majority of water in california
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is used in agriculture it's about
00:22:02
10x what is used for residential
00:22:06
applications so california agriculture
00:22:09
by the way it's not a
00:22:09
bad thing it's a huge part of our
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economy uh that water has generally been
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fully available in aquifers people
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bought that land with rights they paid a
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premium for those rights to those
00:22:18
aquifers
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this is a very complicated problem uh in
00:22:21
california and that
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you know supports a large part of the
00:22:23
california economy so you know you can't
00:22:26
just kind of blow them away but 90
00:22:27
of water use in california is associated
00:22:29
with ag and it's not just a generally we
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need to save water problem
00:22:33
it's very specific to a region and a
00:22:35
community and their particular water
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source on
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whether and how much you need to save
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versus do you have abundant supplies and
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so on
00:22:41
um and so it's it's a little bit more
00:22:42
complicated but yeah but we should be
00:22:44
focused on abundance freeburg if if you
00:22:46
look at the new nuclear power plants
00:22:48
that you know bill gates has invested in
00:22:50
and then you look at desalinization
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which is an energy issue
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we can desalinize for roughly two or
00:22:56
three times the cost that we're getting
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more water for now
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so just put a nuclear power plant next
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to
00:23:01
a desalination plant and you're done
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great that's a 20-year
00:23:05
project and you've got why is it a
00:23:07
20-year project china does it in two
00:23:09
you're going to need to be more bold in
00:23:11
this country it is completely ridiculous
00:23:13
that we
00:23:14
accept that everything has to take 20
00:23:16
years we need this now
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where's the leadership that says [ __ ] it
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let's do it immediately let's set a goal
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of two years
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to build 10 of these spend the [ __ ]
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money i'm not sure it solves our acute
00:23:27
problems it solves long-term problems
00:23:29
associated with climate change and
00:23:30
energy we can't do both
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we can't do both let's do both sure we
00:23:35
should do everything but
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right now the you know the the
00:23:38
conditions indicate that there are some
00:23:39
specific things that we can and should
00:23:41
be doing to kind of support the state in
00:23:42
terms of what's going to happen in the
00:23:44
next year or two
00:23:45
and yes we should also be funding
00:23:46
long-term projects that create water
00:23:48
security and energy security for
00:23:49
everyone in the united states
00:23:51
but sac to your point and by the way if
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you guys ever want to read an
00:23:53
interesting book
00:23:54
about how the grid operates um there's a
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book called the grid
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uh and it talks about how the electrical
00:24:00
uh power grid system was built in the
00:24:01
united states and how inefficient it is
00:24:03
and all the problems there are a lot of
00:24:04
structural problems that need to be
00:24:06
solved
00:24:06
not just you know dropping in cheap
00:24:08
power saks who is the good operational
00:24:10
candidate that you've seen that's
00:24:11
running for governor of california in
00:24:12
this recall
00:24:13
is there someone that stands out in your
00:24:15
mind because i i don't seem to hear
00:24:16
anyone talking about
00:24:17
hey there's a good alternative to gavin
00:24:19
newsom at this point
00:24:21
yeah i mean we don't a clear alternative
00:24:22
has not emerged yet
00:24:24
um you know i guess the and part of the
00:24:27
problem is that because there was no
00:24:29
republican primary you haven't sort of
00:24:31
consolidated the opposition
00:24:33
to a leading candidate there are a
00:24:35
couple of i guess
00:24:37
interesting candidates on the republican
00:24:39
side i need to spend more time getting
00:24:41
to
00:24:42
you know know them i mean i have never
00:24:43
met them or talked to them
00:24:45
but the the two who are i think
00:24:47
mentioned quite a bit are
00:24:48
uh this guy falconer who's the mayor of
00:24:50
san diego
00:24:52
who is sort of a socially liberal
00:24:56
republican and then there's a
00:24:59
state assemblyman named kevin kiley
00:25:02
who who i think says a lot of
00:25:05
interesting things
00:25:06
and he just announced he's running
00:25:09
there's another guy as well
00:25:10
john cox but he got trounced by news in
00:25:12
the last election i think it's time to
00:25:14
let somebody else
00:25:15
take a shot against him and then of
00:25:17
course you've got caitlyn jenner but i
00:25:18
think people are still trying to figure
00:25:19
out if her campaign
00:25:21
is real or how real it is um so yeah
00:25:23
look
00:25:24
we the the opposition has not
00:25:26
consolidated against newsome
00:25:28
the way it did with schwarzenegger you
00:25:30
know back in 2001.
00:25:32
i'm voting i'm voting republican just to
00:25:34
create a counterbalance i don't care who
00:25:36
it is
00:25:36
and i'm not a republican i'm an
00:25:38
independent but i'm voting across the
00:25:40
board i'm just going to go to republican
00:25:42
for every position in california and i'm
00:25:44
going to just
00:25:45
run my finger down and check every
00:25:47
single one
00:25:48
how does it feel to be a radical trump
00:25:50
supporter listen
00:25:54
talk to us about nuclear and what we can
00:25:57
do
00:25:58
to get to reverse what these hippie
00:26:00
dippy
00:26:01
well-intentioned no nukes concert set us
00:26:04
back
00:26:05
50 years and let's be honest a lot of
00:26:08
the climate change problems we have
00:26:09
today we would not have if we had
00:26:10
invested in nuclear yeah i
00:26:12
i said theory well i sent her on an
00:26:14
image uh
00:26:15
nick maybe you can stick it in the show
00:26:17
notes or something so that people can
00:26:18
see but if you if you look at if you
00:26:20
graph
00:26:21
the construction of nuclear reactors
00:26:23
from the 1960s
00:26:25
1960s to today essentially what and you
00:26:28
color code them by country
00:26:30
what essentially you see is uh a
00:26:32
transition
00:26:34
from the able from the frankly from
00:26:37
countries that basically
00:26:38
were just right at the that leading the
00:26:40
pack and it was really the united states
00:26:43
building building building and then two
00:26:45
things really happened there was three
00:26:46
mile island
00:26:47
and then there was chernobyl and there
00:26:50
was an incredible over
00:26:52
reaction to not really understanding
00:26:55
either the cause
00:26:57
and or the remediation to two events
00:27:00
now could you imagine if there were two
00:27:03
airlines that crashed and we stopped
00:27:05
flying
00:27:06
how basically we would have you know
00:27:09
[ __ ] the progress of the world
00:27:12
and now you impose it on something like
00:27:15
nuclear energy
00:27:16
which is consistently proven to provide
00:27:18
an enormous
00:27:19
the abundant cheap and clean
00:27:23
form of sustainable energy and it
00:27:25
actually solves a bunch of the problems
00:27:26
we talked about before so for example
00:27:28
if you look at the power consumption for
00:27:30
desalination it's off the charts quite
00:27:32
honestly
00:27:33
okay that's why people say that it can't
00:27:35
be done credibly
00:27:36
if you look at even just like the amount
00:27:37
of energy that's required to clean
00:27:39
water and to you know sanitize water and
00:27:42
make it drinkable
00:27:43
the the the standards that are defined
00:27:46
by the government are incredibly
00:27:47
stringent
00:27:48
but the the implication of it
00:27:49
operationally is an enormous amount of
00:27:51
power that goes into it
00:27:53
but jason you are right which is that if
00:27:55
we have small
00:27:56
forms of sustainable abundant energy
00:27:58
that can be basically hyper localized
00:28:00
and located where we can do these jobs
00:28:02
the jobs to be done it's
00:28:04
transformational now why doesn't it
00:28:06
happen
00:28:07
it doesn't happen because the same folks
00:28:09
who really want to sound the alarm bells
00:28:11
on climate change which is the
00:28:12
progressive left
00:28:13
are not really willing they are
00:28:15
intellectually lazy when it comes to
00:28:17
nuclear
00:28:18
they don't do the work they make a br
00:28:21
bland sort of broad-based
00:28:22
prognostication about how
00:28:24
we need to do something about climate
00:28:26
then they will point to solar and wind
00:28:28
without really
00:28:29
understanding the contamination of the
00:28:31
earth that we do
00:28:33
in order to mine the rare earths
00:28:36
and the actual metal and mineral inputs
00:28:39
that are required for solar it's
00:28:41
yes nuts but it sounds better right it
00:28:43
sounds better it
00:28:44
sounds better oh we're using air in the
00:28:48
sun and it's like if i could show you
00:28:51
what what tailings are and like the
00:28:54
dirty
00:28:55
after effects of mining copper and
00:28:57
nickel out of the ground which is what
00:28:59
we need for batteries
00:29:00
and how countries like indonesia are
00:29:02
literally dumping it into the ocean
00:29:05
dumping it faster that they can get
00:29:07
their hands on it so that they can sell
00:29:08
copper and nickel
00:29:10
and cobalt um to us so that we can make
00:29:13
batteries you would actually say to
00:29:14
yourself if you knew all these facts
00:29:16
you'd actually say to yourself you know
00:29:17
what maybe nuclear isn't so bad and
00:29:18
maybe i overreacted to
00:29:20
it you want to understand this you just
00:29:22
have to look at the laziest
00:29:24
group of individuals and society the
00:29:27
french
00:29:27
they want to take the laziest route and
00:29:30
do the least amount of work and have the
00:29:31
most amount of leisure sorry to our
00:29:33
french listeners
00:29:34
70 percent of the energy in france is
00:29:36
from nuclear
00:29:37
they figured this out they said how do
00:29:40
we take more time off and not work
00:29:43
and have unlimited elections 70 percent
00:29:46
nuclear they're so smart well the the
00:29:49
the french are actually smart because
00:29:50
after fukushima because after fukushima
00:29:53
what happened is if you had
00:29:55
you know sort of like woke politicians
00:29:57
germany a bunch of
00:29:59
germany they completely unwound their
00:30:01
entire nuclear agency
00:30:04
which which was insanity insanity and so
00:30:07
now here
00:30:08
they are they're writing laws faster
00:30:09
than they can make them up
00:30:11
they're basically pivoting entire
00:30:13
industries to try to now
00:30:14
adopt batteries and storage without any
00:30:18
real understanding about the downstream
00:30:20
implications to the earth that they are
00:30:21
going to create
00:30:24
the net consequences if they had just
00:30:26
stayed the course on nuclear
00:30:28
they would be in a much better place and
00:30:30
and to france's credit they were like
00:30:31
what the [ __ ] are you people
00:30:33
overreacting about
00:30:34
again just think about this guys
00:30:37
we stopped flying after two airline
00:30:40
crashes where would the world be
00:30:43
where would the world be i mean be
00:30:45
pragmatists here
00:30:46
do we want to deal with high energy
00:30:49
prices
00:30:50
and brownouts and all kinds of problems
00:30:52
and rolling blackouts or do we want to
00:30:55
put this
00:30:55
issue behind us if we just
00:30:58
go on a manhattan project literally to
00:31:02
make new nuclear
00:31:03
we would be this issue would be behind
00:31:05
us and we could focus on something
00:31:06
else like education it's so dumb the
00:31:09
very scary thing about nuclear is
00:31:11
despite
00:31:11
all of the progress it will get bogged
00:31:14
down
00:31:15
in litigation and bureaucracy
00:31:18
these are the last two things that
00:31:20
should be in front of science
00:31:21
and physics especially when it comes to
00:31:25
energy independence i just think it's
00:31:27
it's freeberg any way out
00:31:29
any way we can get people to what's the
00:31:31
best way to convince the american public
00:31:34
to embrace nuclear
00:31:36
and force our politicians to do it open
00:31:38
your mind and think for yourself
00:31:40
right please well uh marc andreessen had
00:31:43
a good term
00:31:44
uh he said we're living in a vitocracy
00:31:46
as in the word veto
00:31:48
um i think he it was an interesting
00:31:50
interview with um
00:31:51
antonio garcia martinez on his blog
00:31:54
anyway um
00:31:55
yeah they were talking about the
00:31:56
inability of the us to build anything
00:31:57
anymore especially when you compare us
00:31:59
to some you know place like china
00:32:01
and you whether you want to call it
00:32:02
nimbyism or vitocracy
00:32:04
there are just too many people in groups
00:32:07
who have the right to say
00:32:08
no to anything and block anything
00:32:11
important from happening
00:32:13
but we got us we got to stop letting our
00:32:15
politicians off the hook
00:32:17
by making excuses you know just because
00:32:20
there's climate change
00:32:21
doesn't mean that the politicians can't
00:32:23
do anything about it
00:32:25
i mean welcome to the downstream
00:32:26
consequences of a successful democracy
00:32:29
right like a democracy over time doesn't
00:32:31
reduce the number of laws it has
00:32:33
every year politicians need to do their
00:32:35
job and they create new laws
00:32:36
as new laws accumulate like things get
00:32:39
clogged up right like
00:32:40
when have you seen a law that gets
00:32:41
passed by a local government a state
00:32:44
government or federal government
00:32:46
that makes it easier to do something i
00:32:48
get that but where where does it say in
00:32:49
the constitution of the united states
00:32:51
that
00:32:51
being part of a democracy also means
00:32:53
shutting your brain off and becoming a
00:32:55
dumb cynic
00:32:56
yeah that's that's not part of what
00:32:58
being part of a democracy is
00:33:00
i by the way i wanna i wanna talk about
00:33:01
that for one second there was this thing
00:33:03
that i sent you guys in the chat and
00:33:05
nick hopefully you post post that in the
00:33:07
show notes as well
00:33:08
but there was a study that was done
00:33:11
about
00:33:11
cynicism and it went back and it did
00:33:15
like a qualitative assessment of more
00:33:17
than 200
00:33:18
000 people and their attitudes and
00:33:21
their measured iq their measured
00:33:24
literacy their measured numeracy and
00:33:26
their measured earnings
00:33:27
and here's what they found cynicism is
00:33:31
associated with lower iq
00:33:33
lower literacy lower numeracy and lower
00:33:36
earnings
00:33:37
the idea of cynical individuals being
00:33:39
more competent
00:33:41
appears to be a widespread yet largely
00:33:44
illusory lie
00:33:47
so i think yeah i think this makes sense
00:33:50
i mean
00:33:51
i i was shocked by that study because i
00:33:53
actually generally think
00:33:54
cynical people must be smarter because
00:33:57
they're thinking more rationally and
00:33:58
maybe i'm being emotional
00:34:00
it turns out they're [ __ ] stupid well
00:34:02
here's the thing there's cynicism and
00:34:04
then there's people who are cantankerous
00:34:06
and not content and i think people
00:34:07
sometimes conflate those two things
00:34:10
if you look at the constant constant
00:34:12
pervasive cynicism is not a feature of
00:34:14
democracy it means that you
00:34:15
just stop thinking for yourself as a
00:34:17
protective mechanism
00:34:18
right but but the people we know uh who
00:34:21
have changed the world and who
00:34:23
they seem to be they're not cynical
00:34:25
they're not cynical they're actually
00:34:27
delusional and optimistic or they
00:34:29
wouldn't have started a company to make
00:34:31
electric cars
00:34:32
you know or you know whatever piece of
00:34:35
software or climate.com
00:34:37
or synthetic biology you have to be a
00:34:39
radical optimist
00:34:40
i mean and we're literally trying to
00:34:43
attack our
00:34:44
incredible capitalists who are actually
00:34:46
solving these problems
00:34:48
while our politicians can't get their
00:34:50
[ __ ] together and make desal plants and
00:34:52
nuclear plants
00:34:53
the private market seems like the only
00:34:55
solution sacks well
00:34:57
there's an old saying that uh pessimists
00:35:00
get to be right and optimists get to be
00:35:03
rich
00:35:04
and uh yeah
00:35:08
i mean if you think about it if you
00:35:09
think about it you know pessimists don't
00:35:10
create
00:35:11
companies right they're they're no they
00:35:13
throw rocks they become journalists
00:35:15
they become shitty posters on twitter
00:35:17
they become critics yeah anton ego
00:35:19
right sax what do you think about this
00:35:21
idea that uh
00:35:23
you know if we get into the throes of it
00:35:25
uh for water
00:35:26
the folks that own water rights i think
00:35:28
that this is going to be like an eminent
00:35:30
domain issue where
00:35:31
the government is at some point just
00:35:33
going to say sorry i need it back
00:35:34
it's mine yeah during an emergency for
00:35:37
sure
00:35:38
for sure but i mean i i i i hate to
00:35:42
i hate to use the words um i agree with
00:35:45
j-cal but
00:35:48
but you know look there's not a shortage
00:35:49
of water in the world right
00:35:51
i mean the world is mostly water so it
00:35:53
is a function of building
00:35:54
desalination plants if that's what we
00:35:57
need
00:35:59
there has to be a solution for that
00:36:00
problem and freeberg's right that maybe
00:36:02
it does take
00:36:03
a decade or two to put in all place all
00:36:05
that infrastructure
00:36:06
but then why didn't we start 10 years
00:36:08
ago you see we should be starting a
00:36:10
program where we convinced the american
00:36:12
public that abundance would lead to
00:36:15
them having more freedom and our country
00:36:18
being stronger electrical abundance
00:36:22
with nuclear water abundance with
00:36:24
desalinization
00:36:26
and agricultural abundance with those
00:36:28
previous two because if you had
00:36:30
unlimited nuclear
00:36:31
energy and you had unlimited clean water
00:36:33
the price
00:36:34
of agriculture would go down and we'd
00:36:36
have more free food for everybody or
00:36:38
lower cost food i'll tell you i'll tell
00:36:40
you a theory i have on this um and it's
00:36:42
basically an anti-science theory
00:36:44
which is that um you know culturally
00:36:46
we've kind of developed this
00:36:48
anti-innovation anti-science mentality
00:36:49
broadly speaking across
00:36:51
uh kind of modern culture in the united
00:36:53
states if you remember coming out of
00:36:55
world war ii and i think it has its
00:36:57
roots in the cold war
00:36:58
um you know out of when world war ii
00:37:00
ended you know we were all in it
00:37:02
together
00:37:03
you know this country everyone bought
00:37:05
the same stuff we all had rice krispies
00:37:07
every day we all kind of
00:37:09
you know we're excited about our our
00:37:11
homes that look like everyone else's
00:37:12
home on the block
00:37:13
and technology was empowering all of
00:37:15
this right there was a space race on
00:37:17
um there were plastics that were
00:37:19
suddenly allowing us to make all sorts
00:37:20
of amazing things
00:37:22
there were chemicals that were creating
00:37:23
new drugs for humans and new
00:37:25
applications for agriculture that was
00:37:26
making an abundance of food and
00:37:28
increasing lifespans and so on
00:37:30
but then what happened in the late 60s
00:37:32
and 70s is we realized we got ahead of
00:37:34
ourselves
00:37:35
and um you know there was uh cancer
00:37:38
from ddt there was uh you know three
00:37:41
mile island there was um
00:37:44
a number of um pollutants that got into
00:37:47
the environment that permanently damaged
00:37:49
the environment
00:37:50
from chemical companies and we started
00:37:52
to wake up and say like wait a second
00:37:53
all of this technology that we thought
00:37:55
was so great and was giving us this
00:37:56
extraordinary abundance
00:37:58
it turns out it's really risky and can
00:37:59
cause massive unknown consequences
00:38:02
and if you watch i think i talked about
00:38:04
this in our podcast once but one of my
00:38:05
favorite videos to watch there's a
00:38:07
video on youtube from the disney channel
00:38:09
history institute
00:38:10
and they show the history of
00:38:11
tomorrowland at disneyland when
00:38:13
tomorrowland opened in 1955
00:38:15
every ride was all about adventuring
00:38:17
into space and like
00:38:18
traveling into the human body and they
00:38:20
even had a ride from monsanto where you
00:38:21
would go into the micro world and look
00:38:23
at plastics and stuff
00:38:24
and it was all about this amazing
00:38:25
abundance and technology and the guy the
00:38:27
narrator on the video says
00:38:28
beginning in the late 60s early 70s we
00:38:31
changed all the rides
00:38:32
and the rides all became about the fear
00:38:34
of technology it was all about aliens
00:38:36
attacking earth
00:38:37
it was all about um captain eo was like
00:38:39
you know the world became robotic and
00:38:41
got taken over by unnatural things
00:38:43
even star tours was about a robot that
00:38:45
went awry and the robot doesn't know
00:38:47
what it's doing so it drove us off
00:38:48
course and we had to survive the robot
00:38:50
and so everything became you know
00:38:52
subconscious or subliminally a little
00:38:53
bit
00:38:53
this negative technology sentiment and i
00:38:56
think that that still persists you know
00:38:57
there is an asymmetry people
00:38:59
take for granted the abundance over time
00:39:01
because you get used to it
00:39:02
but you feel the acute pain of the loss
00:39:05
when technology goes awry
00:39:07
and then that becomes the social
00:39:08
conscience and i think we're still
00:39:09
grappling with that and i i don't know
00:39:11
how you reverse it
00:39:14
are we not experiencing this right now
00:39:16
everybody with kovid
00:39:18
where there's one group of people who
00:39:19
are like oh my god
00:39:21
the science we were able to deploy in
00:39:23
covet and get through this so quickly
00:39:25
is so promising that the world's going
00:39:27
to be better
00:39:29
net net after the pandemic even with all
00:39:32
the suffering
00:39:33
you could make an argument that that
00:39:35
suffering is going to lead to more
00:39:36
prosperity and there's another group of
00:39:38
people
00:39:38
who are like the delta variant let's get
00:39:40
our masks back on
00:39:42
uh and people want to take the cynical
00:39:44
route on as
00:39:45
an individual i don't want harm done to
00:39:47
me or my kids or my environment
00:39:49
that's that's the i think the general
00:39:50
kind of conscience right and
00:39:52
i don't care about the abundance because
00:39:55
i've basically taken it for granted
00:39:57
and so now i find myself as an
00:39:58
individual saying
00:40:00
you know what we shouldn't do nuclear
00:40:02
because look at what happened in
00:40:03
fukushima
00:40:04
forgetting the fact that you've been
00:40:05
living off of free electricity
00:40:07
practically for decades or whatever the
00:40:08
you know the case free water
00:40:10
and free water and all these things and
00:40:11
i think the the abundance that
00:40:13
technology delivers to humans because
00:40:15
humans are only programmed to recognize
00:40:17
change they're not programmed to
00:40:18
recognize absolutes uh there's a lot of
00:40:20
good socio
00:40:22
us an example psychological that give us
00:40:24
an example like if you know if you go to
00:40:26
the store every day
00:40:27
and you're used to just getting a one
00:40:28
dollar can of coke you don't say oh my
00:40:30
god i feel
00:40:31
it's an amazing world i live in i get a
00:40:33
one dollar can of coke you never praise
00:40:35
that one dollar can of coke
00:40:37
now if you went to the store and the can
00:40:38
of coke went up to
00:40:40
two dollars you'd be like what the heck
00:40:42
why does coke cost so much
00:40:43
and so um you know so we habituate but
00:40:47
we habituate to the great things about
00:40:48
the price of coke dropped to 50 cents
00:40:51
you're like okay that feels good and
00:40:52
then you get used to the price of coke
00:40:54
being 50 cents and a few weeks later
00:40:56
if it goes up you're upset but you're
00:40:57
not as happy on the other way so
00:40:59
human emotion is kind of asymmetrically
00:41:01
you know defined by these negative
00:41:03
consequences
00:41:04
and i think over time you accumulate
00:41:06
these negative consequences as your core
00:41:08
psyche
00:41:08
and you have an aversion to doing you
00:41:10
know innovative things as a whole not
00:41:12
all people but as a whole that's how we
00:41:13
operate
00:41:14
um and it's why technology kind of gets
00:41:16
land-based over over time
00:41:18
this is the most frustrating thing to me
00:41:20
chamoth is that we have so many amazing
00:41:22
things happening in technology
00:41:23
and nobody will 10x or 100x on them from
00:41:27
the uh government perspective or the
00:41:29
public i had
00:41:30
a company called zero mass on my podcast
00:41:33
which i think is now called
00:41:34
source and you're aware of this company
00:41:36
maybe you could talk a little bit about
00:41:38
the impact hydro panels would make if we
00:41:40
just embrace this technology
00:41:42
well i mean source is an incredible
00:41:44
incredible company
00:41:46
um basically there's a there's a guy who
00:41:48
runs a cody friesen who when he was at
00:41:50
mit
00:41:51
basically um developed a
00:41:55
uh essentially a material a membrane
00:41:58
that can absorb the ambient
00:42:00
um water that's in the atmosphere um
00:42:03
and basically allow you to collect it
00:42:05
and to separate it into its components
00:42:07
and to basically create
00:42:09
potable salinized or potable drinkable
00:42:12
water
00:42:13
in a panel that looks like a solar panel
00:42:14
so you put these solar arrays everywhere
00:42:17
and out of the back you put a little
00:42:18
pipe and it collects
00:42:20
the humidity in the ambient air and and
00:42:23
it spits out water it's
00:42:24
it's an incredible thing and he's able
00:42:26
to go and rewire schools and
00:42:28
and the thing is he can go anywhere
00:42:30
because again he doesn't need anything
00:42:32
right you literally put it on your roof
00:42:34
it's incredible and
00:42:35
it makes you if you i think he told me
00:42:38
at the time when i interviewed him two
00:42:39
or three years ago
00:42:41
he said you could put two of these on
00:42:42
your roof and get like four cases
00:42:44
of bottled water a day no matter where
00:42:47
you were on the planet
00:42:48
and by the way he's moving to a place
00:42:50
which is really cool he told me this i'm
00:42:51
not sure if i'm allowed to say it but
00:42:52
i'll say it anyways
00:42:53
are you saying this might be beeped no
00:42:56
where he is
00:42:58
no he'll have an eventual app where you
00:43:00
can kind of
00:43:01
direct the hydro panel to make the kind
00:43:03
of water that you like so if you love
00:43:05
avion or if you love um
00:43:09
fiji water or if you love smart water or
00:43:12
you're on the voice right
00:43:13
specifically because it's the most
00:43:14
expensive i love i love smart water
00:43:17
i i i have a very gratuitous reason why
00:43:20
i remember
00:43:21
when i met jobs he drank smart water and
00:43:24
i thought
00:43:24
it's good enough for him he's good
00:43:26
enough for me i'll tell you when i knew
00:43:28
i just gotta copy people like you gotta
00:43:30
copy the good ones and i was just like
00:43:32
this is a personal anecdote this is when
00:43:33
i knew chamoth made it we used to play
00:43:35
poker
00:43:36
in his garage in his little 3000 square
00:43:38
foot palo alto house
00:43:41
in berlin whatever he had this little
00:43:43
tiny house and we're in the garage and
00:43:45
he's like look i'm putting up a flat
00:43:46
panel i'm going to like paint the walls
00:43:48
no we had a little
00:43:48
uh you had a little uh easel and you'd
00:43:50
write on chalk how much you oh
00:43:52
you know then chamat's like i got a new
00:43:54
house
00:43:57
he's got his new house we come over he's
00:43:59
like jacob you want some water i'm like
00:44:00
yeah i'd love a glass he's like oh jay
00:44:01
how do you want a bathroom yeah it's
00:44:02
like a glass of water
00:44:03
and uh he goes oh and he walks over to
00:44:05
iraq
00:44:07
and in the rack like you know those
00:44:08
things you push wine on
00:44:10
there's a rack for water and there is
00:44:13
voss in the glass bottles there is avion
00:44:16
in glass bottles old and you're not like
00:44:17
the avion that you get at the regular
00:44:19
supermarket
00:44:20
like somebody sourced the avion bottles
00:44:22
that restaurants have
00:44:24
and then he had the smart one i mean
00:44:25
they're sixteen and then like i just
00:44:26
wanted a glass of water but
00:44:28
okay i'll take the avion in the glass
00:44:30
bottle it was delightful
00:44:32
sax i got three different bounce passes
00:44:34
i can give you just where you want it do
00:44:35
you want
00:44:36
cancel culture do you want chesabudan or
00:44:39
covet what do you want or covet i can
00:44:42
give you any of these
00:44:43
i can i'm ready to pass i'm talking
00:44:45
about any of those sound good to me
00:44:46
i mean i the the it might be time for a
00:44:50
chase
00:44:50
update because we haven't done that in a
00:44:52
while the killer d.a the killer d.a yeah
00:44:54
oh by the way i just want to say i found
00:44:55
the journalist
00:44:56
you know the journalist sacks don't say
00:44:58
her name and
00:44:59
she is setting up her llc and the 60 000
00:45:02
we raised from the gofundme is going to
00:45:03
go to her to cover the da's office for
00:45:05
the next six to twelve months
00:45:07
in a newsletter website right and just
00:45:10
to be clear because i think people kind
00:45:11
of misinterpreted what you're trying to
00:45:13
do there with the gofundme jcal
00:45:14
yes this is not for opposition research
00:45:17
this is not no
00:45:18
this is not digging up dirt this is
00:45:20
reporting
00:45:21
on uh on public policy on
00:45:25
what should be public facts with respect
00:45:27
to
00:45:28
what the da's office is doing how chase
00:45:30
is performing in his job
00:45:32
isn't it interesting though how the left
00:45:34
journalist when i hired an investigative
00:45:36
journalist
00:45:37
to cover criminal justice accused me of
00:45:40
hiring an oppo researcher
00:45:41
and these are investigative journalists
00:45:43
and i told them explicitly
00:45:45
i'm just hiring an investigative
00:45:46
journalist to cover crime in san
00:45:47
francisco there's no oppo research here
00:45:49
and they insisted on saying i wanted to
00:45:50
get into chess's personal life and i
00:45:53
explicitly said that's not what this is
00:45:54
for well
00:45:56
let's face it there aren't too many
00:45:58
journalists anymore who are
00:45:59
investigative who are actually in the
00:46:01
business of turning up new facts about
00:46:03
elected officials they're too busy
00:46:04
pushing a narrative
00:46:06
they're engaged in agenda journalism and
00:46:08
actually we saw a really good example
00:46:09
just to tie into
00:46:11
to what's happened what happened over
00:46:12
the past week is you had this story in
00:46:15
the san francisco chronicle
00:46:16
which is basically pure propaganda
00:46:19
uh from you could see the the
00:46:23
um the passing from chaser to this
00:46:26
reporter of this
00:46:27
this farcical uh claim that crime is
00:46:31
falling in san francisco
00:46:33
uh i mean this claim is so preposterous
00:46:36
we this is the same week
00:46:37
we saw viral videos of 10
00:46:41
robbers bursting out of neiman marcus
00:46:43
you know with
00:46:44
with every handwriting yeah exactly and
00:46:46
so you know plus you had the vibe
00:46:48
it's scary yeah you had the viral video
00:46:50
of the the guy going into
00:46:52
cvs and just you know it wasn't even
00:46:55
shoplifting it was
00:46:56
did you see brian sugar's uh video of
00:46:59
the person who broke into his house
00:47:02
stole his kids ipads and everything
00:47:03
while they were in the house right
00:47:05
and cyan banister who had another home
00:47:07
invasion just tweeted
00:47:08
home invasions are now
00:47:11
um not prosecutable crimes in san
00:47:15
francisco well no what they're doing is
00:47:16
what cyan reported about her case is and
00:47:19
by the way her case
00:47:20
is in the public eye okay so it's very
00:47:23
brazen for the d.a to be doing this but
00:47:25
what they did is
00:47:26
they dropped the home invasion charges
00:47:29
and they're just treating it
00:47:30
as basically a a theft of you know a few
00:47:34
hundred dollars you know
00:47:35
that does not capture the violation
00:47:38
of breaking into someone's house and how
00:47:40
dangerous that is but
00:47:42
i originally i thought okay why is the
00:47:44
da's office doing this originally i
00:47:45
thought well maybe it's just because
00:47:47
you know chase doesn't want to
00:47:48
incarcerate anybody but it's more than
00:47:50
that
00:47:50
you see if they drop the charges down to
00:47:53
petty larceny
00:47:54
then he can include it in a different
00:47:56
stat you see
00:47:58
home burglaries are up by some
00:48:00
gargantuan amount like 50
00:48:02
year-over-year they want to be able to
00:48:03
claim crime is falling it's now they're
00:48:05
juking the stats
00:48:07
by reducing the charges from the more
00:48:09
serious crime
00:48:10
to the less serious crime and then what
00:48:12
they do they're shaping the stats
00:48:14
they're juking the stats you ever watch
00:48:16
the the show the wire
00:48:18
that's where this expression comes from
00:48:20
is you know first
00:48:22
the the politicians get held held
00:48:23
accountable to the statistics
00:48:25
then they realize that then they start
00:48:27
manipulating the facts
00:48:28
and that's what's basically so dirty
00:48:30
it's so dirty but but the next step in
00:48:32
the process
00:48:33
is they then feed these juke stats to
00:48:35
these compliant reporters
00:48:37
i mean the fact that they keep repeating
00:48:40
these statistics as going down
00:48:42
when people are stopping reporting
00:48:44
crimes because they won't prosecute them
00:48:46
right then they mischaracterize them and
00:48:48
then they never say 85
00:48:50
of the commuters coming into san
00:48:52
francisco are no longer coming into san
00:48:53
francisco
00:48:54
and target announced like walgreens that
00:48:57
they are
00:48:58
either closing stores or reducing the
00:49:00
hours because they can't deal with the
00:49:01
crime and they're saying explicitly
00:49:02
this is the highest crime we've ever
00:49:04
seen in any of our stores and then
00:49:07
this crazy communist are they communists
00:49:10
on the left here
00:49:11
cvs walgreens and target are all closing
00:49:14
stores or reducing store hours
00:49:16
because they understand the hit to their
00:49:17
bottom line but you have this mantra
00:49:20
it is it is communist like where it's
00:49:22
like
00:49:23
the commandments written on the barn in
00:49:25
animal farm
00:49:27
where it is propaganda that's so at odds
00:49:29
with reality it's just absurd
00:49:32
okay it's farcical it's farcical but
00:49:34
then how do they enforce it what they
00:49:35
say is
00:49:36
anybody who questions this narrative is
00:49:39
a bad person
00:49:40
is in fact a clan a racist and a
00:49:43
klansman
00:49:44
so so this is the other thing that
00:49:46
happened over the past week is that you
00:49:47
had
00:49:48
this is crazy but basically michelle
00:49:50
tandler who
00:49:52
is a moderate and as nice a person as
00:49:54
you could ever find
00:49:55
concerned citizen concerned citizen san
00:49:58
francisco
00:49:59
born and raised yes who tweeted that all
00:50:01
of her friends are thinking about
00:50:02
leaving
00:50:03
the city and then in response to that
00:50:05
you had this
00:50:06
this senior policy advisor to chase abu
00:50:09
dean who works
00:50:10
for the da's office named uh kate
00:50:12
chatfield
00:50:13
attacker basically implying her views
00:50:16
were
00:50:16
you know were kkk values
00:50:20
for for for having the audacity to warn
00:50:23
that people are worried about crime in
00:50:25
san francisco so she gets attacked by
00:50:27
the way
00:50:28
uh this this chatfield person the top of
00:50:30
her profile is the clenched fist
00:50:32
of the communist revolution jkl so this
00:50:34
is who's running the da's office but but
00:50:36
look
00:50:37
it's not just trolling and it's not even
00:50:41
just slander
00:50:41
it's i think an abuse of power for
00:50:44
someone in the da's office to go after
00:50:46
and attack a concerned citizen like this
00:50:49
okay
00:50:49
but this is how they enforce can you
00:50:51
read the tweet that she did you have
00:50:53
that there because
00:50:54
she basically is the people who have
00:50:57
experienced home invasions
00:50:59
are concerned for the safety of their
00:51:01
families and what this
00:51:03
uh woman did michelle i believe is her
00:51:05
name she just said like
00:51:06
people are scared for their families and
00:51:09
then
00:51:09
kate chatfield referenced birth of a
00:51:13
nation
00:51:14
and compared her to oh our wives are not
00:51:18
safe
00:51:18
because of black people and that's a kkk
00:51:23
everybody knows everybody understands
00:51:25
the representation yeah the original
00:51:26
name of birth donation i think was the
00:51:28
clansmen
00:51:29
yeah yeah it's like a kkk piece of
00:51:31
propaganda wow
00:51:33
but it's really outrageous she just
00:51:35
blocked me kate chatfield
00:51:36
blocked me wow this is a public policy
00:51:39
advisor who is now hiding her account
00:51:41
well
00:51:42
why i mean a public official should not
00:51:44
do that i mean they should
00:51:45
and so this set you off let's be let's
00:51:47
be honest
00:51:49
i know michelle taylor she worked at
00:51:50
yammer you know and i didn't i thought
00:51:52
it was
00:51:53
out of bounds for uh not just a public
00:51:56
official but someone in the da's pro
00:51:58
office who what did you do well you went
00:52:00
into revenge mode let's be honest
00:52:02
you got a little bit you were a little
00:52:05
bit
00:52:07
tweaked i donated another fifty thousand
00:52:10
dollars to the recall chasing campaign
00:52:12
and you dedicated it to kate
00:52:15
yeah you said this is for you yeah
00:52:18
because look
00:52:19
this is threatening every american
00:52:21
should have the right to criticize their
00:52:24
government
00:52:24
without having its law enforcement arm
00:52:27
come down
00:52:27
on them and so here you have a
00:52:30
legitimate concern expressed by a
00:52:32
private citizen
00:52:33
and the da's office is coming down on
00:52:35
them that's not acceptable
00:52:37
i think i need to break some news here i
00:52:39
didn't want to talk about this publicly
00:52:40
but i'm so outraged now that i think i
00:52:42
should let this out
00:52:45
so while i after the we in the weeks
00:52:48
after i started that campaign
00:52:51
to hire an investigative journalist for
00:52:52
chess's office this is breaking news
00:52:55
i haven't talked about this publicly but
00:52:56
i'm gonna break it now
00:52:58
do you know who contacted me
00:53:02
the da's office you know what they
00:53:05
contacted me about
00:53:07
they were investigating a startup that i
00:53:09
had invested in
00:53:11
i won't say which one and they wanted to
00:53:14
interview me
00:53:16
about my involvement with that startup
00:53:17
because that startup uh had some
00:53:19
complaint from a downstream investor who
00:53:21
felt that they were committing
00:53:23
some type of fraud or problem
00:53:26
coincidence
00:53:27
are are you serious i'm serious this is
00:53:30
literally becoming chinatown
00:53:32
they literally tried to intimidate me
00:53:33
and i didn't want to bring it up and
00:53:35
i talked to the person on the phone the
00:53:38
the the person from the da's office who
00:53:39
was investigating this
00:53:41
and he's i was like do i need an
00:53:42
attorney for this why are you calling me
00:53:45
because
00:53:45
and he's like well you know we just want
00:53:46
to talk to you about this and i was like
00:53:48
yeah
00:53:48
no like we have a bunch of questions and
00:53:50
i just said you know what uh subpoena me
00:53:51
i'm not
00:53:52
you know file something and i'll come in
00:53:54
with my attorney to talk to you but i'm
00:53:56
not
00:53:56
gonna talk with you on background no so
00:53:59
they
00:53:59
literally tried to intimidate me you
00:54:00
know what and i kind of let them because
00:54:02
i didn't want to make it public
00:54:03
but i'm making it public now you should
00:54:05
make it public because it's public now
00:54:07
we'll begin and this is two weeks after
00:54:09
i said let's hire the journalist
00:54:11
it's intimidation tactics that's
00:54:14
intimidation
00:54:15
i will not be intimidated chessa all
00:54:17
right but what you can see here is okay
00:54:19
look i mean i was intimidated
00:54:29
now that i think about it like i didn't
00:54:31
do anything wrong here i put 50k
00:54:33
i put 50 or 100k into a company that
00:54:35
didn't work out and now some other
00:54:36
investors complaining
00:54:37
and they're trying to tie it back to me
00:54:39
somehow but jason did you
00:54:40
of course you're going to be intimidated
00:54:42
the chief law enforcement officer of san
00:54:44
francisco
00:54:45
is basically trying to make you the
00:54:47
target of an investigation because of
00:54:49
what you said publicly of course that is
00:54:51
intimidation guys
00:54:52
isn't it possible that they're just
00:54:54
interviewing you about a fraud claim
00:54:56
i mean like what this could wait hold on
00:54:58
but think about the timing free bird
00:55:00
it's two or three weeks like
00:55:04
three weeks a police officer drove past
00:55:08
my house last night yeah
00:55:09
free bird okay wait it's the first and
00:55:12
only time i've ever been contacted by a
00:55:14
law enforcement officer over an
00:55:15
investment i'm sure it's just a
00:55:17
coincidence
00:55:17
stop committing fraud 350 investments
00:55:20
yeah listen chasa has not had time he's
00:55:23
almost two years in office now and he
00:55:25
has not had time
00:55:26
to successfully prosecute one murder
00:55:29
trial
00:55:29
not one but his office has time to run
00:55:32
down whatever they're trying to run down
00:55:34
with jake out
00:55:35
they don't have time to prosecute the
00:55:38
the home invader
00:55:39
who broke into cyan banister's home or
00:55:41
brian's
00:55:42
or brian's they don't have time to do
00:55:44
that but they somehow have time to
00:55:45
contact jake out
00:55:46
he tweeted the video let me explain
00:55:48
what's going on here there's two things
00:55:49
going on i think one of which is
00:55:51
becoming very well understood but the
00:55:52
other one is not
00:55:53
the first one is the gothamization of
00:55:55
san francisco we understand that crime
00:55:57
is out of control
00:55:58
cynicism and resignation people are just
00:56:00
kind of given into it
00:56:02
it feels like san francisco has become
00:56:03
gotham city these viral videos
00:56:06
of the robbers brazenly committing
00:56:08
daylight theft they're
00:56:09
beating up ups drivers in the street
00:56:11
they're beating a ups driver
00:56:13
because there is no consequence okay but
00:56:14
there's a second thing happening
00:56:16
which is the orwellianization of san
00:56:19
francisco government and san francisco
00:56:20
politics
00:56:21
you not only have the crime you've got
00:56:24
the brazen lies about the crime you've
00:56:26
got this insistence
00:56:27
on this animal farm commandment that
00:56:30
crime is falling and if you
00:56:31
question it you are a black person and
00:56:34
you're a klansman
00:56:35
and then they get their the you know the
00:56:38
kate chat feels to push this out
00:56:39
and then they get academics to back this
00:56:42
up okay there are now they get their
00:56:44
friends
00:56:45
in the media and in the academy to give
00:56:47
these spurious claims credence
00:56:49
and then the final step is that the rich
00:56:52
virtue signalers
00:56:53
pay these people off they pay the
00:56:56
protection money
00:56:57
who's paying off the dustin moskovitz's
00:57:00
the
00:57:00
mike kriegers the reed hastings
00:57:04
and you know even actually the biggest
00:57:06
contributor
00:57:07
to chaser right now is a guy who's under
00:57:09
sec indictment
00:57:10
for the ripple scandal oh no yeah chris
00:57:14
chris yes exactly so people who need to
00:57:17
curry favor
00:57:18
either because they're they've got their
00:57:20
own problems or they just like to virtue
00:57:22
chris laurel chris larson is chess's
00:57:25
biggest campaign oh wow that is dark
00:57:29
brian sugar released the video and that
00:57:32
person's not going to be prosecuted
00:57:34
i mean that is the crazy part you get
00:57:35
somebody on camera and they won't
00:57:36
prosecuted them
00:57:38
and people forget these are organized
00:57:39
gangs that are doing this this has been
00:57:41
proven this is not a poverty issue
00:57:43
these are not poor people who are
00:57:45
stealing bread for their families or
00:57:46
trying to make their rent
00:57:47
it's organized gangs right did you
00:57:50
realize that
00:57:51
47. did you see the getaway cars for the
00:57:53
nema marcus heist yeah they're all like
00:57:54
the mercedes they're driving great
00:57:56
beautiful cars with their license plates
00:57:58
off
00:57:58
this is like mob behavior and if you
00:58:01
give
00:58:02
criminals trust me i grew up in a
00:58:03
criminal environment in brooklyn
00:58:05
if you give criminals a window they will
00:58:08
figure it out
00:58:09
you give them an opportunity if you give
00:58:11
them something to hack
00:58:12
they will hack it period and you
00:58:15
basically have green light of them okay
00:58:16
listen it's enough of us
00:58:18
complaining about this uh i am going to
00:58:21
stop complaining
00:58:22
about this and i'm moving either let's
00:58:23
do this i'm moving to texas or to
00:58:25
florida i'm making the announcement now
00:58:27
hold on is that for sure jkl
00:58:29
listen i you know i'm in a partnership
00:58:31
and my partner doesn't want to be here
00:58:33
anymore and i'm half and half
00:58:34
so i'm not sure why i'm here anymore i
00:58:37
mean i think california's
00:58:38
my position right now is california is
00:58:40
going to be on a decade-long slide and
00:58:42
i'm working for 10 more years i decided
00:58:43
i'm 50
00:58:44
i decided i'm going to go to 60 i'm
00:58:45
going to try to invest in 100 to 200
00:58:47
companies a year for 10 years and then
00:58:49
i'm done so
00:58:50
why would i spend 10 years in a place
00:58:52
that is on a death spiral
00:58:54
can this be reversed in our in the next
00:58:56
decade how does it feel
00:58:58
how does it feel to be completely
00:58:59
red-pilled i'm purple pills i want to
00:59:01
live in a pear i want to live in a
00:59:03
reasonable place
00:59:04
and it seems to me that austin and miami
00:59:06
are purple
00:59:07
you know and they're not communi i don't
00:59:09
want to live in a right-wing place
00:59:11
alt-right and i don't want to live in a
00:59:13
communist place i want to live in an
00:59:14
american place i want to live in a place
00:59:16
where americans can talk about
00:59:18
issues without being villainized period
00:59:21
that's that's what people feel about
00:59:22
this pod
00:59:24
you're not being villainized just give
00:59:27
me a break all right
00:59:28
just be you people really want to know
00:59:30
if you went to dinner with tucker can
00:59:31
you just make
00:59:32
that statement that you didn't have
00:59:33
dinner with jacob what do we got next
00:59:35
you just made
00:59:36
what have we got it was a joke why can't
00:59:38
you admit if you did or not
00:59:39
listen i have 15 minutes we gotta go
00:59:42
covid uh delta people are panicking
00:59:46
but the numbers keep going straight down
00:59:50
pfizer says israel says maybe pfizer is
00:59:53
65
00:59:54
instead of 94 65 seems pretty great
00:59:59
we at any risk well okay let me jump
01:00:01
into this because i've been affected
01:00:02
personally by it
01:00:03
um so yeah on the last pod i did i get
01:00:06
to give the stat
01:00:07
which was that um at that point that the
01:00:10
best data we had even a week ago
01:00:12
was that the the pfizer vaccine was
01:00:14
holding it pretty well against the
01:00:16
um delta variant it had reduced the
01:00:18
effectiveness from about 95 to 88
01:00:21
that's sort of the numbers i think uh on
01:00:23
monday
01:00:24
israel released a new study showing that
01:00:27
the effectiveness
01:00:28
of pfizer against delta had been reduced
01:00:31
to 64
01:00:32
now it that's against you know getting
01:00:34
symptoms and testing positive
01:00:36
it was still 93 against serious cases
01:00:39
requiring hospitalization
01:00:41
but that 93 is down from you know 99
01:00:44
plus so there has been reduced
01:00:47
effectiveness by delta
01:00:48
it's um it is a little bit concerning
01:00:51
and as if to underscore this point
01:00:53
someone very close to me
01:00:55
ju who was double backs with pfizer just
01:00:57
test a positive
01:00:58
he did test positive yes
01:01:02
so he he woke up yesterday morning with
01:01:05
um with cold symptoms he had um sore
01:01:08
throat
01:01:09
runny nose but he's fine and a slight
01:01:11
fever which then graduated into a
01:01:13
headache he went and got tested
01:01:15
and he tested positive for covet so i
01:01:17
think he's fine what city was he in when
01:01:19
this happened
01:01:19
l.a okay let me ask a question to
01:01:22
friedberg
01:01:23
is it not the best possible situation i
01:01:26
know this sounds like a stupid question
01:01:28
but i am the lowest iq guy on the pod
01:01:30
is it not the best situation to have the
01:01:33
pfizer or whatever have this amazing
01:01:35
then to get a mild case of kovid and
01:01:38
then be doubly protected is that
01:01:40
in some way an ideal situation if there
01:01:42
is no long-haul covid
01:01:44
it's not really clear if that's going to
01:01:46
make a difference you know again like
01:01:48
remember
01:01:50
acquired immunity uh is on a spectrum
01:01:53
right so
01:01:54
a virus can get in your nose starts
01:01:56
replicating and if you've got a ton of
01:01:57
antibodies that
01:01:58
immediately get to your nose it'll shut
01:02:00
down that virus before you experience
01:02:01
anything
01:02:02
if that virus gets in your nose and
01:02:04
starts replicating and you've got a
01:02:06
kind of you know your antibodies to that
01:02:08
specific virus
01:02:10
um you know aren't as concentrated it's
01:02:12
going to take your body
01:02:13
a little bit longer to fight off that
01:02:15
virus but you're still well ahead of the
01:02:17
game as a way to think about it
01:02:19
and so you know to some extent what
01:02:20
we're seeing most likely is this delta
01:02:23
variant
01:02:24
um having a greater escape velocity from
01:02:27
people that have been vaccinated than
01:02:29
you know the alpha variant or any of the
01:02:30
other variants we've seen
01:02:32
um and so as a result you know people
01:02:35
are getting to date luckily knock on
01:02:37
wood
01:02:39
mostly mild and moderate symptoms and
01:02:41
only a minority of people uh
01:02:43
that are exposed are getting um you know
01:02:45
that condition but it's being tracked
01:02:46
really closely i mean like like zach
01:02:48
said in israel
01:02:49
they have now said that you know if
01:02:51
you're uh vaccinated with fizer double
01:02:53
backed with pfizer
01:02:54
you're now 64 um you know effective
01:02:58
and you're you know that that means that
01:02:59
if you're exposed to covid
01:03:02
there's a chance you can actually get
01:03:04
these symptoms
01:03:05
but the hospitalization rate and the
01:03:08
fatality rate
01:03:09
is still way way low because you have
01:03:11
built up enough immunity you've built up
01:03:12
enough antibodies
01:03:13
to have a good strong defense to keep
01:03:15
things from getting out of control and
01:03:16
so
01:03:17
knock on wood right now we're still
01:03:18
looking good in terms of fatality and
01:03:19
hospitalizations but there's certainly
01:03:21
you know what do you think of this
01:03:23
situation and jamaat are markets kind of
01:03:25
worrying about this because i'm kind of
01:03:27
wondering like as as market participants
01:03:30
see this stuff are they trading it in a
01:03:31
way that's like fearful
01:03:33
and does this lead to some market
01:03:34
conditions in the next couple days and
01:03:35
weeks
01:03:36
i mean i think that there's a very good
01:03:38
chance that um
01:03:40
some politicians are going to try to use
01:03:42
this uh for another shutdown in the fall
01:03:45
i thought yeah i think you're right and
01:03:48
i think the teachers unions the
01:03:50
nea and the aft are already putting all
01:03:53
sorts of demands on going back to school
01:03:54
i don't think this date so first of all
01:03:56
i think we have to be intellectually
01:03:57
honest that this is a bad data point
01:03:59
this is really the first bad data point
01:04:02
that we've gotten until now all the
01:04:03
data's been good
01:04:04
the protection from the vaccines last
01:04:06
longer it had been completely holding up
01:04:08
against the variants
01:04:09
but this data point from israel is not a
01:04:11
great data point i want to see
01:04:13
more of them uh more data yeah but i
01:04:16
don't think
01:04:16
that um this by itself wait a second
01:04:19
didn't israel only get to like 55 60
01:04:22
vaccinated oh no they're they're way
01:04:24
higher no no
01:04:25
they're way higher than that yeah half
01:04:26
of the infections they're seeing in
01:04:27
israel are children that were not
01:04:29
vaccinated
01:04:30
and then the the other hats are the
01:04:31
other half are adults
01:04:33
um and so if you look at the adult
01:04:35
infection rate it looks like it's
01:04:36
something around
01:04:37
um 15 percent uh
01:04:40
of uh you know these k or yeah i i
01:04:43
forgot the number but there's some
01:04:44
uh statistic that shows that it's not uh
01:04:47
the majority being vaccinated that there
01:04:48
are unvaccinated people that are uh
01:04:50
look we're gonna probably we're gonna
01:04:52
probably need a booster and we're
01:04:54
probably going to be on a cocktail
01:04:56
but beyond that i think we need to make
01:04:58
a moral
01:04:59
decision that we are all getting back to
01:05:02
life as normal
01:05:03
yeah 100 i'm done i'm not there there
01:05:05
will be both
01:05:06
there will be boosters for sure right
01:05:08
like this fall yeah yeah exactly and i
01:05:10
think
01:05:10
the the the question about this this
01:05:12
data is does it warrant a change in
01:05:14
policy and i would say not yet
01:05:15
you know 100 not yet i mean we the whole
01:05:17
policy idea was icus being filled
01:05:20
and if you look at the stats in the
01:05:22
united states at the debts we are now
01:05:24
at a seven day average of under 200 i
01:05:27
think it's 150 debts per day
01:05:29
some again i'll ask you free break how
01:05:31
many of those are with covid versus from
01:05:33
kovacs yeah it's unclear but like israel
01:05:35
hasn't had a single death in two weeks
01:05:37
from covet right so what are we talking
01:05:39
about despite this increase in numbers
01:05:40
it's it's still uh right it's not it's
01:05:43
not what the media likes to portray
01:05:45
which is variants punching through right
01:05:47
i mean it's not like delta varian is
01:05:48
just sweeping through
01:05:50
israel okay there is a slight increase
01:05:52
in cases
01:05:53
and we're definitely seeing elevated
01:05:55
cases here in the u.s i mean delta
01:05:57
variance can become the main
01:05:58
the dominant strain if it isn't already
01:06:01
look it's mostly sweeping through areas
01:06:03
that have not been
01:06:04
vaccinated but there are now cases
01:06:07
i'd say mostly mild cases of people who
01:06:10
have been vaccinated i mean i think it's
01:06:11
all the more reason
01:06:13
why if you're an adult you should get
01:06:15
vaccinated
01:06:16
we really do need all adults barring
01:06:19
some sort of um you know highly specific
01:06:23
immune condition that where you you need
01:06:25
to be on some sort of different
01:06:26
treatment
01:06:27
but almost all adults in the us really
01:06:29
should get me vaccinated
01:06:31
otherwise we're going to have keep
01:06:32
having these variants sweep through
01:06:35
i'll tell you i had a really good
01:06:36
conversation with an infectious disease
01:06:38
doctor yesterday who's a research
01:06:39
specialist
01:06:40
and well-known in this space and he
01:06:42
pointed out that
01:06:44
the evolutionary cycle of this virus
01:06:47
is a function of how many people are not
01:06:49
vaccinated
01:06:50
because the more bodies the virus has to
01:06:52
hop the faster the
01:06:54
more evolution it can get the more it
01:06:56
evolves right yes and so
01:06:58
um you know certain virologists and
01:07:00
epidemiologists will model this where
01:07:02
they will highlight kind of the epi
01:07:03
the evolutionary rate of the virus as a
01:07:06
function of unvaccinated people getting
01:07:08
infected every day
01:07:09
and so the more people that we get
01:07:11
vaccinated the longer
01:07:13
the timeline it takes for the virus to
01:07:15
evolve and get to a breakthrough variant
01:07:17
and so we need to accelerate and
01:07:18
continue to push people to get
01:07:19
vaccinated worldwide
01:07:20
to reduce the available pool for
01:07:22
evolutionary um success of the virus
01:07:24
yeah it's it's to put it in maybe
01:07:27
layman's terms all these unvaccinated
01:07:28
people are basically like a giant petri
01:07:30
dish
01:07:31
for the virus to keep to keep mutating
01:07:34
and we do need i think like a marshall
01:07:36
plan
01:07:37
to help all these other countries get
01:07:39
vaccinated i mean i think we have enough
01:07:40
vaccines in the u.s
01:07:42
but what have we done to help all these
01:07:43
other countries it directly benefits
01:07:45
us if we reduce the size of that petri
01:07:48
dish
01:07:48
this delta variant came from india why
01:07:51
there's like a billion plus people there
01:07:54
who you know for the virus to
01:07:56
mutate on i mean obviously with the
01:07:58
petri dish that big you're going to get
01:07:59
a variant now there's a new variant
01:08:01
coming out of peru which looks
01:08:03
potentially scary now
01:08:05
these are not full breakthrough variants
01:08:06
yet but to freeberg's point is just a
01:08:08
matter of time
01:08:09
you guys want to guess the bottom two
01:08:10
states in the country
01:08:12
i mean it's just mississippi in terms of
01:08:15
mississippi and alabama alabama
01:08:17
exactly can you imagine mississippi and
01:08:19
alabama
01:08:20
33 come on get your act together
01:08:24
what is it i mean it's going to whip
01:08:25
through those places and you're all
01:08:26
going to die
01:08:27
you're going to kill your grandparents
01:08:29
is that an evangelical movement
01:08:31
issue is that it's it's it's well we
01:08:33
talked about this the last pod there's
01:08:34
two groups in america who are
01:08:36
most republican men oh no let's be more
01:08:38
specific
01:08:39
it's evangelicals and african-americans
01:08:42
those are the two groups who are most
01:08:43
you keep saying you keep saying and then
01:08:47
what does how do you pronounce it
01:08:48
eventually evangelicals
01:08:51
it's actually male republicans why can't
01:08:53
no that's
01:08:54
you're not being specific enough yeah
01:08:57
guys i gotta i got
01:08:58
i gotta run love you free bird love you
01:09:00
guys we love you free
01:09:01
see you later love you big boy let your
01:09:04
winners ride
01:09:06
rain man david sack
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and it said we open source it to the
01:09:12
fans and they've just gone crazy
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