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the path to becoming an astronaut is not
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clear the path was not clear for me
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either Dave fredberg this is Woody
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hoberg calling you from the
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International Space Station how do you
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hear me hey Woody I hear you will how
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are you 22 years of experience living
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and working in space we have learned so
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much and so what that sets us up to do
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now is to go further space is hard it
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just is hard it's not a forgiving place
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we intend to set up a sustained human
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presence on the moon and we're going to
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set up a Proving Ground to go to
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Mars thank you so much it is such an
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honor to be here I'm going to start with
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a a bit of History the leftand photo
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is one of the last moments in recorded
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human history when all living humans
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were on Earth this was October 31st of
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the year 2000 at bikon or cosmodrome in
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Kazakhstan and the crew of expedition
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one launched up to the International
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Space Station it was just three modules
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at that time and they started a
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continuous human presence in space that
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continues today by 2011 the ISS was
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assembled and looked roughly like this
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humans live in the pressurized modules
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running front to back in this photo and
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the truss running left to right is
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unpressurized so only accessible by
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Space Walk ISS is solar powered on a on
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an average workday it consumes about 75
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kilowatts it is a million pounds of mass
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in low earth orbit it's about 250 miles
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above Earth to stay in that orbit it has
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to travel 5 miles every second so that
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works out to a 90minut orbit we see 16
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Sun and 16 sunsets every
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day now in in 2011 when the space
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shuttle retired it left us our only
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option to continue sending humans up to
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the space station was a Russian so
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rocket that situation changed in May of
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2020 SpaceX made history they launched
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NASA astronauts Bob bin and Doug Hurley
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on a test flight of the crew Dragon
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spacecraft and at that time the world
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was just two months in grappling with
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the co
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pandemic and Allin had just published
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episode
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three Bob and Doug spent two months on
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the space station before they
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successfully returned and I didn't know
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it at the time but I would eventually
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fly on crew Dragon Endeavor which is the
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same capsule as Bob and
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Doug less than a year later I was
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assigned to be the pilot for the crew 6
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Mission up to the ISS and so my crew
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from left to right on the left Russian
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cosmonaut Andre fidth Commander Steve
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Bowen myself flying as pilot and then uh
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Sultan aladi was the first UAE astronaut
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to do a long duration Mission six months
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on the
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ISS we actually scrubbed our very first
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launch attempt we got within 2 and a
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half minutes of launch and we had an
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issue with the system that ignites our
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engines and so um we had to scrub we got
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all the fuel off the vehicle and 3 days
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lat later we were ready to try
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again ready for an on time launch for
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the instant 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 engine
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full power and lift off you're on your
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back you lift off at about one and a
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half
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[Applause]
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G's station pitching down R 1.7 Million
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by the time all the fuel burns out
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you're up about 4 and2 Gs and then we
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stage this is the second stage engine
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and again it starts off with only a
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little bit of acceleration it builds up
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to about 4 and 1/2 GS there you can see
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on your screen confirmation Dragon
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separation confirmed and so 12 minutes
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after launch you're in space this is
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where we experienced weightlessness for
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the first time and we took about a day
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like 24 hours to to do all the phasing
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up to the ISS for me the ISS had been
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this place that I trained about it's
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kind of an abstract object off in space
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and actually arriving and seeing it in
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our thermal camera I still remember it
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sent chills down my
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spine it's pretty fun the first few days
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getting used to
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weightlessness Steve uh was our resident
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Chef he was famous for baking pies in
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space and we had a great Handover with
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crew five who kind of taught us all the
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the little tricks to living and working
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in space and we got right to work um
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full complement of science experiments
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this this uh is the Japanese module you
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see the primary glove box mount sideways
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and that's American astronaut Frank
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Rubio working in the glove box he
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currently has the American record for uh
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duration of a single space
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flight now it turns out weightlessness
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causes heart tissue to age much faster
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than on Earth so we're using that as a
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model to study treatments for heart
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disease so see that top one beating
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looks like happy heart cells so I still
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remember the day that Sultan looked
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through the microscope and saw these
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Beating Heart cells just mindblowing we
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printed a section of human miniscus
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using a biofabrication
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facility and in addition to all the
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science we have to do all of the
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maintenance and repairs on board so this
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is some of the less glamorous stuff this
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is fixing our
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toilet we have to do regular maintenance
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on the space suits to keep them ready
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for
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action uh try to find me in this photo
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this is repairing one of our CO2
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scrubbing machines you see my legs
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poking
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out and this is how we get rid of trash
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we load up cargo vehicles and send them
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home to a destructive re-entry through
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Earth's atmosphere there's a regular
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Cadence of these cargo vehicles coming
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to and from ISS all the time Frank and I
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here are capturing uh the ng19 mission
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with our Canadian robotic arm and
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birthing it to the bottom of node
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one and the team on the ground is always
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uh sending us with every new cargo
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vehicle fresh fresh food and it's always
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a special
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treat we also have to take care of
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ourselves this is Sultan on our
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treadmill it's mounted on the wall you
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run facing the floor we do like two and
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a half hours of exercise every day half
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cardio and half this resistance exercise
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so lots of time to listen to music and
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podcasts I did get to talk to fredberg
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for uh we had a great conversation
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actually um from low earth orbit I love
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chess so I got a chess board sent up and
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we actually played ISS crew versus
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Mission Control we played a few games
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back and forth did like one or two moves
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every day and and we always picked out a
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flight controller from a specific
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console to make our moves on the board
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in Mission
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Control now one of my favorite parts of
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training uh preparing was spacewalk
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training it's really tactile learning to
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use a pressurized space suit so we have
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the neutral boyancy lab in Houston
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amazing team of divers supporting us to
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practice all of our procedures and I was
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thrilled when I found out that I would
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get to do two spacewalks to in install a
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couple new ISS rollout solar arrays
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they're the vertical uh rolls you see in
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this
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photo we were getting ready for the
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spacewalks and two weeks prior we were
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flying over the Pacific Ocean and got
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some photos of this storm which
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unfortunately damaged one of the ground
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sites in Guam that supports the
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satellites that we used to talk to
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Mission Control so this meant that
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during my space walks we would not have
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the ability to talk to Mission Control
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for some large G uh chunks of
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time everyone rallied uh Frank and
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Sultan set up this kind of Command Post
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in the US lab on the space station so in
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addition to operating the robotic arm
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they would hand off back and forth with
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mission control for those com gaps and
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Frank and Sultan would walk us through
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all of our
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procedures my friend Brian who will be
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speaking shortly actually told me that
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my mission would be an utter failure if
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I didn't get at least one space selfie
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so I got this as soon as I
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could uh Franken Sultan flew me over to
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the arrays and Steve and I unbolted them
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and then this is the commute out to the
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work
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site the array unit it's 800 lb of mass
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so it's weightless but you still feel
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the inertia of that 800 PBS in your
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hands so mainly I was happy I did not
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drop
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it um after we finished the installation
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Steve got this shot there's two dragon
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spacecraft in this photo on the right
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side of node 2 is crew6 Dragon Endeavor
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what I flew up in and then up on the top
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is CRS 28 that's a cargo vehicle that
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flew the arrays up and down in the end
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of the robotic arm you can see the foot
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restraint that was holding me while I
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was holding the
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arrays so it was an amazing mission
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after 185 days it was time for crew 6 to
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come home the dragon hatch itself is
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closed that coming at 4:19 a.m. Central
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Time you see the thrusters firing as we
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back away and get another nice view of
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is on the big loop the part burn one is
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complete and
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nominal Sultan got this view past his
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feet of the plasma as we re-entered our
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atmosphere we're basically inside a
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meteor so pyro Hive fired and we have
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good confirmation of drug shoots Two
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drugs and releas the drug slow us down
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to about 140 mph sets us up to deploy
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Mains safely and you can you can see
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here the hot spacecraft and cold
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parachutes in the thermal cam we landed
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in some of the highest Seas to date um
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for crew Dragon an amazing recovery team
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comes out rig the vehicle and they Lift
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Us onto the recovery ship with us still
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inside so you see our smiling faces here
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it was like the thrill of a lifetime to
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get to spend six months living and
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working in space but there's also just
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nothing like returning home to the
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people you
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love thank you I want to spend just a
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moment uh beyond my mission and talk
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about where we're headed next NASA is
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headed back to the moon and to really
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put this in context I I just have to
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show you so I've asked fredberg for some
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help and he's kindly
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agreed come on
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out for you okay go on this side all the
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way down or stay with me for a second
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okay so it's a it's a convenient Quirk
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of the scale of the objects in our solar
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system that if you make the earth a
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basketball this is the earth then the
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Moon is a tennis
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ball and I invite you if you don't know
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this answer to think about how far the
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Moon is from Earth in this
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scale if you already know that's fine
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but take a guess should I say the answer
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do uh 180,000 miles 225,000 miles
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225,000 miles all right when I'm going
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to do very well on Jeopardy here we go
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when should he stop now keep going keep
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going
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keep
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going okay slow
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down
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there so in this scale it's 24 feet you
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can do the math so we we will stay here
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let's lose the tape
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measure and stay there
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freedberg I would not make a good
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aftera I was telling Woody I'm like I
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can't imagine like you walk out in space
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and it's like there's just space that
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like I'm not
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sorry go ahead don't drop the moon
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either I'm
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sorry I just want to tell you a couple
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things here this is the earth I told you
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this the ISS where I was was I spent six
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months half an inch off the basketball
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wow that's where low earth orbit is wow
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and you guys probably saw Polaris Dawn
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launched this morning maybe a quick
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Round of Applause for SpaceX
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[Music]
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so they're going way higher than the is
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ISS way higher they're going an inch off
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the
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basketball with aremis so we already
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launched Artemis in 2022 it flew
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uncrewed out around the moon and the
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Artemis 2 crew is already in training to
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fly Orion around the moon and come home
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and then emis 3 is going to be the
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landing on the surface of the Moon and
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we're going to set up shop we're going
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to make a Proving Ground to get to Mars
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and so while we have this scale Mars
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let's let's see if you could imagine 3/4
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of a mile away in this scale 3/4 of a
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mile that's
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Mars and we're doing all this work on
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the moon to eventually get to Mars and
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then I know you guys are Forward
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Thinking so I just want you to imagine
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Beyond even Mars 34 miles 34 miles away
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is Uranus
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[Applause]
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[Music]
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I I heard Cham
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laugh he love
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that amazing all right I think we're
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going to talk for a minute yeah that was
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great Woody thank you let's chat grab a
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seat right
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here grab a SE right here what should we
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do with the
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Earth good question um so couple quick
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questions what's the timeline emis 2
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Artemis 3 yeah and um yeah just tell us
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a little bit about the timelines it's
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super setting we already launched emis 1
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emus 2 crew is in training right now
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they're scheduled to fly in the fall of
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2025 so in a year um they're going to
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test out the Orion spacecraft that
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flight's going to be a big deal they're
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actually going to go further from Earth
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than humans have ever been because they
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go a little farther from the Moon than
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Apollo did wow and then uh the plan
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right now is for that first crude
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Landing in 2026 with Artemis 3 2026 yep
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are you in the running to be yeah every
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astronaut in the office is in the
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running to be assigned to an emis
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mission is it like movie Right Stuff
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where you guys are all super competitive
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with each other on like or how tell us
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about the Cooperative or the competitive
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nature of being an astronaut in the NASA
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program it's actually one of the most
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fun things so it's definitely kind of a
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wait in line till you're told that
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you're assigned to a mission I still
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remember when I got the phone call
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assigning me to crew 6 to to do my first
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mission it's just one of those phone
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calls you'll never forget you know um
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it's it's actually not we all support
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one another and there's honestly nothing
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cooler than watching your friends fly to
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space yeah so and we all know we're
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eventually going to have that chance and
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so it's less like directly competitive
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than you might imagine so does the moon
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base kind of feel like an ISS is it like
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we're going to set up a facility at some
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point and is there that sort of
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long-term planning going on absolutely
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and I think yeah there's a strategic
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plan looking way out into that Artemis
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campaign we talked about it being a
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sustained presence you know right now um
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I mean I think we'd all love to
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eventually have a permanent presence
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meaning that humans are always on the
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moon yeah at first it's not going to be
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that we're going to send missions uh but
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unlike Apollo we are really going to
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stay we intend to stay there for a long
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time and we're actually in unlike Apollo
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instead of going to the equator we're
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going to go initially to the South Pole
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which is scientifically really
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interesting and the intent is to do all
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the cool things Rovers moon bases like
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nuclear power on the moon we want to do
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it all why did it take humans half a
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century to come back and do this again I
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think um did we really go to the Moon by
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the way we absolutely went to the moon
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just for the The Joe Rogan crowd I just
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want to make sure we're
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like I think I I think it's you know
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political will right yeah we have to
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decide that it's what we want to do and
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I think that's one of the coolest things
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about this time I mean who's heard of
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Artemis
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program yeah few people good good many
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um we could probably do a better job
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advertising but you know what like the
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cool thing about Artemis is we we truly
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have bipartisan support that's NASA's um
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like issue over many years is can you
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sustain as administrations change
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because it takes a long time to do this
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stuff and right now we feel like we have
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real bipartisan support to go do this
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the people want us to go do this and
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sorry and so once you're on the moon
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there's a lot of constant resupply
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needed in the current model so that's
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part of the logistics is like how do we
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continually resupply yeah and I think as
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the missions get more complex it stship
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involved in 100% so right now um we
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actually have two providers so SpaceX is
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Big Starship yeah maybe you can just
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talk about why it's so important yeah so
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um the we already talked about the Orion
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spacecraft which is what the astronuts
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are going to fly from Earth to the to a
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lunar orbit in but the human Landing
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system which is going to take them down
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to the surface we have two providers for
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that and one of those and actually the
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one we plan to use for that first
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landing is the SpaceX Starship they' uh
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SpaceX plans to do an uncr demo before
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we send our astronauts down and we're
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super looking forward to it so is emis
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um a close partnership with SpaceX that
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NASA relies on and SpaceX is a critical
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um partner to that program to that
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mission yeah we're using them for our
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for our Landing then SpaceX talks and
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Elon talked a lot yesterday about trying
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to get Starship uncrewed over to Mars in
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two years and is I don't want you to
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necessarily aine in a negative way but
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like how realistic is it that there's
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going to be a crude Starship to Mars in
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four years as he claimed and is that a
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NASA partnership or is that we are
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cheering on every Starship flight I mean
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I've watched every single one it's we
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love the development so if we can get to
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Mars in years um that's great what NASA
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is specifically Contracting SpaceX on is
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to go to the Moon we believe the Moon is
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the right place to go set up a sustained
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presence and really practice um set up a
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Proving Ground to eventually go to Mars
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and does all the development on Starship
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is in the direction of goodness it's
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yeah and is it um does NASA have a
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development program on getting to Mars
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and timelines do they have talk about
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that at all and is there is there an
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actual Mission yet we actually
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reorganized within NASA and we have an
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entire directorate called the Moon to
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Mars directorate and so um it's
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absolutely we see the moon as our path
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to Mars and that is absolutely the
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strategy yeah um so uh maybe you could
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just tell us coming a little bit closer
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to Earth uh the Polaris Mission it's 5
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days long they just launched this
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morning Elon was here and then he he
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actually flew in came to the summit got
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back on his plane went back to Florida
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and they got off yeah so maybe you could
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tell us a little bit about the mission
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and what these folks are going to be
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doing we didn't get to talk about it
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with Elon yesterday it's amazing and you
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know Jared Scott Sarah and um Jared
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Jared isman yeah Jared isman is the the
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commander I mean and he paid for the
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whole M yeah yeah he paid for the the
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whole mission I mean these guys are
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friends actually you know friends and
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family so we're rooting them on if you
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if you've been to Florida and see
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there's a different emotion when you see
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a crude launch than an uncrewed launch
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like uncrewed launch big rocket go up
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cool um when you see when you have
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friends and family on board one of these
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Rockets it it's a different experience
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to watch the launch so um we're rooting
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them on they're in space right now
00:19:47
experiencing and they're going to do a
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space walk they're going to do a space
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walk in a couple days that's right um
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it'll be the first commercial space walk
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so NASA's been doing space walks for a
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long time but they are making history
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they're going to depressurize the
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vehicle to vacuum so they don't have an
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air loock or anything they're going to
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take the vehicle all the way to vacuum
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they're all in a suit they're all going
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to be in suits they have to be they'll
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open the hatch and um I think it's Jared
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and Sarah that are going to go out and
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do that first uh I believe uh do that
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first space walk so they're going to go
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out and be like holy I'm in
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space yeah I I'll say I don't know that
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I'm
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not not super up to date on the details
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of I'm sure they have objectives for the
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spacewalk it's always how it is you
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while you're out there there's things
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you want to do imagine at the ISS you
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walk out it's a large structure there
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there's there's some grounding context
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to it but yeah these guys are just
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outside of the the capsule yeah and I
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think another interesting you know I had
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the benefit on ISS I had been floating
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for months actually before I did my
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space walk so I was used to the idea
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that you're now in this world where
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everything floats and so going outside I
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mean you look down and it's a 250 mile
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drop to the surface of Earth but it
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didn't feel scary or anything because I
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knew I was just going to stay floating
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next to space station where everything's
00:21:03
falling um their experience they've only
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had a couple days to orient to this um
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so it'll be um pretty cool yeah
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well I mean cool for
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some it takes a different kind of person
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I don't know um really incredible guys
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please join me in thanking Woody for
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being here at the all Summit
