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his merch merch game is strong chamoth
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how's everybody doing on the backs of us
becoming the number 11 podcast in the world
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really good really wow look at that enthusiasm really great no i think we had an intermittent
uh uh uh sexy poo is not apparently you know with
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with all these with all his weak uh beak wedding
he hasn't had time to pay the internet bill
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you can go ahead and upgrade your dsl from from
56 kilobits i think you can afford it okay he's
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hit his bandwidth limit because he was watching
himself on tucker over and over again this morning
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i do i do need to say this that yesterday we
do have first-hand evidence that david sacks after appearing on tucker carlson then spent the
next hour watching himself appear on tucker girls
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literally got up from the poker table my god she
used to play poker with his besties because he had
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to watch himself less than six times on tucker
he must have been watching 20 30 times no no
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headphones just listening to the iphone looking
at it holding it up to his ear just so he doesn't miss a word optimizing his performance what was it
like to go on fox news with this a dream for you
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sax is this a is this a bucket list see jason
this is why you're such a scumbag because i
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i asked you guys i said hey like uh tucker show's
inviting me on should i go you know and you guys
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are like yeah yeah it'll be great for ratings
for the pod you should definitely do it and then after i do it the first thing you guys say when i
walk in the room is oh my god you went on tucker
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how right-wing are you do you realize that all
your deal flow just got cancelled yup yup all your
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deals by the way that was the funniest part jason
had pre-meditated totally basically getting you to
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appear on tucker so as to impugn you and destroy
you goes oh i'm gonna get all your deals now
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all is fair when it comes to early stage
deal flow yeah and then he starts tweeting you know he's like the first one to show
a photo of me split screen with tucker
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i was waiting i was i was literally watching it
it's time for the great takedown actually you
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did in all seriousness you did great um i think it
was worth doing and he framed it as i don't know
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if people saw it you can look up tucker carlson
bestie david sacks it'll come up number one and um
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he said you were um essentially taking a
very liberal classic liberal point of view so
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he basically set the stage
for you to not be a far-right wing nut case you were actually defending liberal
principles of people should have the ability to
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have freedom of speech why don't you talk about
what it was like yeah i mean so so you're right i mean he made the the connection in the comparison
to net hentoff who was like the famous aclu free
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speech lawyer and uh and i really appreciated that
because i do very much see myself in that mold
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of of somebody like hentoff he wrote a book
called free speech for me but not for thee
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um sort of a famous line because everybody wants
free speech for themselves and they're allies
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but they want to deny it to people they disagree
with and you know they never seem to realize that
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censorship is a problem until it gets turned
against them and so you know the point i made about the these reddit kids who are censored is
that look this this was not what they there was
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some raunchy speech in their message board uh
we all know that but it was no different than any trading floor trading pit or boiler room on
wall street right it's the same kind of language
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yet they were taken down and censored by discord
for hate speech why because they became very threatening to you know powerful insiders and um
you know but how many of those those reddit kids
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uh saw it as a problem when you know trump or his
supporters got or or parlor got de-platformed a
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few weeks ago they could never have imagined that
that same censorship principle could ever get turned against them and and so we all have a
blind spot towards censorship when we like the
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results and you know hentoff's point is always
look it's not about the results it's about who
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are you giving the power to to censor to and
that's what you have to be really careful of
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in relation to that how delightful has it been
to not have trump on twitter putting aside
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you know censorship even for you as a republican
uh conservative but liberal socially i will note
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uh you're very liberal socially you live and
let live uh pro lb gtq of course uh and but
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to not have trump on twitter has been all that
cognitive space has come back we get it all back
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silence silence is is is bliss uh what do you
guys think what did you guys think about um what
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is her name marjorie blah blah green who just got
completely censored what what exactly happened yes
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sax is that censorship yeah if you're a crazy
loon who believes that particular shooting was
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a false flag what do we do there no i
mean that's not that's not censorship it's just she got censured i guess um because her
colleagues thought she was out of line that's okay
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i mean if her colleagues want to vote for that
that's fine so she can still say crazy stuff you
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just can't do it and have this certain job yeah
i mean look let's face it when when politicians say crazy stuff it helps the other side i mean you
know marjorie green or whatever her censorship who
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does that help it helps the democrats um you know
quite frankly uh does trump being off twitter uh
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does that really help democrats i don't think so
i mean um you know you could argue that that biden
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or or that trump is the one unifying opposition to
trump is the one unifying force in the democratic
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coalition so the the more trump is out there
the the more it bonds the democratic coalition
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together um so yeah i mean censorship has
this way of like backfiring and uh you can't
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just look at it in terms of narrow short-term
political results speaking of censorship i want to get your take on something else i think
these last two weeks have been a complete
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sea change in venture capital and let me give
you the setup it's all of a sudden seemed like
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there's been a decision that's been
made where the ecosystem of companies
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will basically use their own platforms and their
own mediums to completely control the narrative
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and the dissemination of information about them
that the media in the effort of company building
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may have taken a big step back um you know i think
uh the whole sort of like thing on clubhouse was
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really interesting i think uh this guy who just
joined andreessen horowitz who actually hosts
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a show on clubhouse is really interesting um
i think there's some like really interesting emerging managers who just have these incredibly
different ways of sharing what is his name
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he's been hosting good times at 11 10 or 11 p.m
every night on clubhouse mark andreessen comes to
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it every night and of course elon came interviewed
vlad and then last night zuckerberg showed up
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uh in order to get the blueprints for clubhouse to
then put it into instagram and facebook but what
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do you guys what do you guys think of sort of like
this entire sector of the economy basically trying to i guess organize and end around yeah i don't
know traditional media it doesn't seem like it's
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just venture right i mean look at look at trump
you know he avoided having the traditional press conference as the the channel for dissemination
of his point of view and communication of his
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uh objectives and he went on twitter every
day and he just tweeted um and i think you
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know anyone who's been part of a business or an
operation that's had to deal with you know media
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gathering facts that uh that you don't consider
to be true and you can't really counter their point and then they publish and it's static and
it's out there um you're frustrated and in the
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in the the world that we have today which is many
alternatives for going direct to our customer and going direct to our audience through social
media and having control over that message
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uh it's appealing to make the
switch away from traditional pr and going to social i mean chamath you don't put
out press releases you go on twitter and you make
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a statement about what your intentions
are and you publish your one-pagers and i feel like everyone's trying to do this and
there's all this like trend of big companies now
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too which is how do you develop a quote-unquote
social media presence you can speak directly to your audience and your customers without having to
go through the press i find it very hard um to get
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the point across um by going through traditional
medium right it's not that it's not that it can't
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be done but i find it harder and harder and the
reason is because they're in such a ferocious competition with social media and so they have
to be just as click-oriented and newsworthy
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um as the next best tweet that's that's trending
at that time so it's it's an almost impossible task well naval had a great line about this which
i think he tweeted a long time ago which is that
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the internet commoditized the reporting of facts
and so at that point the the traditional media
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went wholesale into opinion opinions into opinions
and so now they all have an agenda of some kind
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and especially the tech press their agenda
basically is hatred of tech i mean they hate
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the people they're reporting on i mean jake how
you know this right i mean yeah i mean having been a journalist in this it's really interesting to
hear your opinions and if you look at trust among
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uh republicans all-time low in the press and
then just all americans don't trust the press
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right now they think there's hidden agendas and it
really is a confluence of events what happened was
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the internet caused um the revenue streams of
the press to get just violently compressed or
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eliminated so you know you had craigslist take
the classified business google and facebook took the ad business in subscriptions netflix spotify
et cetera so you have all that revenue is gone
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and what that meant was they uh didn't have
the resources to do fact checking and then
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the publishing schedule because of
blogging which i was involved in required that people file two three four times a
day just to keep up and so when you're filing even
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just twice a day there is no time to get quotes
from the subjects so we have all as people who
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are subjects had quotes uh attributed to us that
were like where did you pull that quote from like
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oh three years ago you said this or whatever
and that you don't even know you're going to be in the story like the hit piece they did on
you chamoth some sports writer and sf gate did
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some hit piece on chamoth did they ever call
you did they ever say would you like to respond
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that's how it used to work until you learn when
you get a degree in journalism right you call the subject you interview course and it used to be
you filed once every two weeks or maybe if you
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were in a weekly news a news like a newsweek or
a business week you filed once a week magazines
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you filed once uh or twice per episode per issue
or maybe once every other issue or feature writer
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now they have to they have to publish so much by
the way jason you said don't do any fact checking you said something really really important it's
the craziest thing where these guys will not even
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call you and say here's what we're running or
here's what we're going to say do you want to
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work through this with us do you want to tell us
are there any inaccuracies we're really seeking the truth nobody's really seeking the truth
they're seeking clicks yes and so here's what
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happens yeah the your salary is now determined
by your number of followers on twitter as is
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your book deal and your sub stack then becomes
your negotiating position versus your existing
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publication so someone like kara swishers who
is not full-time at the new york times probably makes a half million or a million dollars a year
doing her podcast with them in the editorial page
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i would say somewhere between 500k and a million
all the other writers there are looking at other people who've gotten significant followings
and saying i have to get a big following
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how do you get a big following well sax figured
that out he he wasn't didn't have a huge following
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on twitter in the last couple months but since we
did the podcast sack started having an opinion and picking a side and really owning his opinion
and but in fairness and also being super and
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super intelligent and thoughtful about it of
course but anybody picking a side gets rewarded
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and if you go down the middle you don't get
rewarded because people go that makes sense but then if you're not people then people should just
be using facts as a jumping off point as opposed
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to like weaving it into the narrative so that
other folks get confused meaning you know it used to be the case that a newspaper has an opinion
page well no now the whole newspaper is opinion
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correct because the facts you can just get from
the ap right there's no point calling the new york
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times to figure out what the hell is really one
of them they should be doing is deep analysis yeah like the new york times article that you brought
up a couple of weeks ago chamoth that we talked
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about on the pod was uh about the the the trust
fund kids who are giving away all their money
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you know it wasn't an analysis of how many people
with this amount of wealth are giving away their
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money it was anecdotes to make the case that
this is the story line that they kind of wanted to progress and you know that is i think the where
you're able to kind of stay within the bounds of
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traditional journalism but still you know get a
narrative across that is a bit sensational and it
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is a bit kind of you know inspiring and freelance
all you need to do having been on the inside of these discussions is when you have one person
it's a profile as an example when you have two
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um it's still a kind of a profile with an example
but once you get to three you got a trend piece and so what your editor say to you is if you can
get me a third person who's a trust fund kid now
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we got a trend piece and we're in the clear so
let's do that and do the anecdotes instead of actual research which then takes time and
resources and if you look what andreessen horowitz
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has specifically done with clubhouses and it's
really freaked out some new york times reporters i won't say which ones because every time i mention
this one reporter she pulls the female reporter
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card and she pulled it last night where she said
i'm a female taylor lawrence mark andreessen
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i'm not going to say who it is because she gets
really upset it's taylor lawrence but she i mean she yeah she tweeted it so i don't think she's
hiding from this she doesn't submit it and she put
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it in the public now bringing up her name she will
i guarantee you tweet well can i say something
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about being harassed by jason calacanis because
i'm a woman she's saying that mark andreessen
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and andreessen horowitz blocked her from their
clubhouse room when you're a block from a club's room you don't get access so she said i'm gonna
make my own shadow account she did make a puppet
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account now she's listening in and she got upset
at me because i told people in a room hey there's a new york times report in the room just be
careful because this could wind up in print
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she called that harassment and gender basis and
the the thing they're complaining about now is
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that all of us are trying to go around them and
just tell our stories directly and so they're all
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enraged they're saying how dare mark andreessen
or you know a16z you know not talk to us it's like
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well why should they i mean you know my experience
with the press has been that about 75 percent of
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the time when they ask me for comment on something
it ends up being a hit piece um maybe not on me
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but on some something i care about and they they
they twist what you say or take one little quote
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out of context to support the article and you
end up giving credence to an article that you completely disagree with and so and so all of
us have just stopped taking those calls i mean
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we just know we just know there's
such an agenda behind most of these um calls that we just like don't take them
anymore yeah that's that's why we're going direct
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yeah i'll say one thing about taylor lawrence
i i've learned a lot because i feel like you know being 44 i'm kind of out of the no yes
and i've learned a lot because she's she has her
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finger on she processes i mean it's really it's
been really fun reading her uh reading her stuff
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the other thing i'll say is on the end recent
thing i think what they have finally stumbled into like i remember when you know andreessen started
about a year before i started social capital
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and i remember the whole push was you know
multi-services right and they were going to be recruiting and sales and this and that
you know i suspect that all of that was kind
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of like pretty meager roi and not that
it just burned a ton of fees but i think
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this thing that they're doing is really
smart because if they effectively build their own distribution arm through newsletters sub
stack podcasts you know clubhouse shows whatever
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that's a force to be reckoned with because then
if you're a venture investor you either have to be like them with their own version in which case
the the brand event andreessen really matters
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or you're on this path of where the trend
of ventures already going which is solo gps
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and individual people are the brands and there's
going to be very little space in the middle so for example like i do think that like you know the
all-in podcast helps for example david in kraft
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um or jason ewan launch but you guys the syndicate
is going crazy but and you guys also stand alone
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as individuals um but you know if you're a
traditional firm you know pick your organization which neither has brands nor has distribution what
are you doing well you're probably forced to just
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pay the highest price and so those returns for
those folks in the middle get really bad i think over time and you at some point have to decide
are you an individual person right and there's
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like some amazing up and coming gps we know
them lockheed groom folks like that or are you
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are you andreessen horowitz with this massive
distribution i mean and now we have to just i
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think face the reality that we are in competition
and i think that's what is making the press
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even more and that's what makes the situation more
complicated i'm not saying the press is targeting people they consider competitive but the press is
not getting vlad elon or zuck for interviews but
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because mark andreessen has you know clubhouse now
they put themselves on the suggested follower list
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just like twitter put ohm kara swisher and some
other journalists on the suggested follow-up
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list for twitter what that was was it was
payment basically like a million followers now when dreesen has a million followers bellagi
all these folks from indresan i believe have like
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a million followers so the press is complaining
about that as well because they can then dominate
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them in terms of getting subjects so they've lost
the subjects none of us get on the phone with the press with very few exceptions and where is sway
or vox or ezra klein when compared to our podcast
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right like we're right up there with them if not
ahead of them i mean we're the number one tech podcast so it's it's pretty crazy when you think
about how much their world has changed and now
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they're directly in competition with andreessen
horowitz all in podcast you know pick the firm doing a venture thing and that's going to make
this even more contentious i appreciate yes i
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i totally agree with that but i also i do think
fundamentally that all of us wouldn't have felt
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the same need to go around them if we didn't feel
that there was such a strong agenda just to bring
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what have you guys heard of gel man amnesia effect
michael okay so michael crichton you know who
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wrote jurassic park and like a true polymath and
genius right yeah airframe very good by the way
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i mean so many brilliant things he uh was even a
hollywood director true multi-talented guy anyway
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he described the the gentleman amnesia effect
as follows he says you open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well so in this
case it was a physics paper by on gel man okay um
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he said you know this yeah yeah he says he says
you read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts
or the issues often the article is so wrong it
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actually presents the story backwards reversing
cause and effect i call these the wet streets cause reigns stories the paper is full of them
okay in any case you read with exasperation or
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amusement the multiple errors in a story but
then you turn the page to some other section
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to national international affairs and you read
the rest of the paper as if it was somehow more
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accurate totally um you turn the page
and forget what you know which is that
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the journalist just gets so much wrong and and i
think you know and all of us kind of suffer from
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gelman amnesia sometimes because we still i think
take when we read something in the paper we take
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it at face value and i think but we we all know
that when it comes to tech reporting or whatever there's so much misinformation that gets put out
by these official channels and i think at the
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end of the day what's happening now with these
end run around the traditional media it's all a
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response to german amnesia i think it's a problem
of complexity um you know i remember years ago i
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would when i was younger i would read the paper or
read magazines about science and engineering and i
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was you know really interested in these topics and
it was only years later when i actually realized how wrong so many of those articles were as i
started to read the original scientific research
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papers but it takes a skill set and it takes
a significant amount more time to really go
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into depth into those papers and to actually
read them the same is true as you point out with like you know geopolitical issues like the
complexity of what goes on yeah um here's where
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when i was a journalist we would have about 10 to
20 percent of the information about what occurred
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when we published our first story and then maybe
every subsequent follow-up we get another 10 which
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means if we were really hooked into a story and we
did five versions of that story we might get to 40
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50 understanding whereas when the four of us
are doing a deal and then you see this impact
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you know the press is getting it completely wrong
and that was fine if you felt the press was fair
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right but what's happening is now there's a
distinct feeling with subjects that they're being treated unfairly and what i do when somebody
connects to me and they say hey can you comment on
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robin or whatever i said i can't but i do have
a great story for you about a world positive startup and i kept doing this with teddy
who kept asking me to give information on
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friends of mine you know the guy from uh recode
or whatever who covers like philanthropy and
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every time they contact me i say yeah you know
i can't comment on that but you can talk to the founder but i have three world positive stories
are you interested in any of them and i just do
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that kind of to troll them and they've never
in five years taken me up on profiling a world
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positive so if the press wants to turn this around
a very simple solution is one for you one of your
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hate stories so if you for every time you want to
take down a company maybe write about one company
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that's doing something good there's some company
doing something in carbon sequestering right now that is super valid and world positive write
about it and the only time they write about tesla
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is when elon trips or you know something uh
somebody dies in a car or they write about uber because of some tragedy sorry i just want to say
like jason like just going back a second like
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your point is one about bias which
is you know creating sensationalism sell stories it's what consumers want to consume
at the end of the day so there's certainly
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you know a market-driven model there the point i
was trying to make earlier there's also a separate problem around complexity which is complex issues
take time and take depth to truly understand
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and so to really understand what's going on
in the middle east or what's going on inside of a company like facebook requires more than a
five paragraph journal article it requires some
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hours of conversation and dialogue and i think
by the way the craving for that depth which delivers truth and understanding is what you know
podcasts can provide and clubhouse is providing
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long-form content that allows you to go into
the nuance and into the texture and into the
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depth of what's going on in the world as opposed
to having the five paragraphs littered with ads
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buzzfeed article that says something sensational
but it simplifies something to the point that it's often wrong or completely misses the real depth
of what's going on and you know it's like and
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i think that i i think they're both they're both
they're both kind of playing into each other and then i want to give a prediction they're both
what you're describing are both issues and i
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think they're related in the following sense that
if you were to go to like any of these reporters like the people that jcal mentioned a couple of
names okay if you were to filter their bylines
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and see all of their not not one story but look
at like all of the headlines for all their stories
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over say the past year you will definitely see a
trend they will all they will all have you know
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like negatives for certain reporters it'll be 100
negative about tech zero percent positive aaron
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griffin i think is the reporter who's one of the
top tech reporters at the new york times it's just like coinbase coinbase away yeah exactly so when's
the last time they wrote a positive story so there
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is this huge agenda there and um and i think it
prevents people from getting into the complexity
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because it's a lot easier to write you know
prediction and i'm gonna make a bold prediction here the media companies are gonna you know
they're obviously picking a side they obviously
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went subscription now they're dealing with sub
stack clubhouse podcasts all chipping away i
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think what's going to happen is you're going to
see media brands built around certain podcasts and they're going to work subject first in other words
the subject of the story are going to create media
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properties so if you look at what we've done with
all in and obviously i have this week in startups if we did the friedberg on science podcast and
it was just freedberg explaining a science topic
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and then we did chamoth on public markets
and then we did sacks on you know alt-right
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conspiracy theories and we just had five pounds
or it could be something else i don't know guns
00:26:38
whatever i don't know we're pro-life i don't know
what saxon's into but you know what no sax could
00:26:44
do something on sas so saxon sass freeburg on
science chamoth on thirst traps this weekend
00:26:52
then we have all in that's five five full pods
of an hour and a half each if each of you did
00:26:58
your own pod and i have my pot and we made
the all in network the all in news network i
00:27:03
guarantee you we would be within five years
you know right up there with cnn and ms as a musician well one thing that jason i've been
talking with now is i really do want to start um
00:27:14
a twitch channel and i think part of why
is i'd like to really actually have more
00:27:20
conversations about you know companies and stocks
and with youth with the utes yeah with the youths
00:27:27
and like you know really get into the details
and like also when we you know partner with a company bring them on the show so that we can
spend an hour or two and talk about things in
00:27:37
detail it's totally lost and and the crazy thing
that i realized for me is you know to your point
00:27:44
jason like you know we have enough distribution
now we're where millions of people can see it and if that has real impact because you know you
can allow people to judge and i'm not necessarily
00:27:53
saying we're better or worse than anybody else but
if we're not using it for uh the per the express
00:27:59
purpose of selling ads necessarily and getting
paid i do think there's a better likelihood that it's that the outcome is better well i mean a big
part of the success of this has been the banning
00:28:07
of guests and the banning of banning of ads and
banning of ads people really have responded to that and i think if we put the twitch channel up
and we just throw in all in throw in this weekend
00:28:16
startups and then you know uh a saks you know
point counterpoint show and i i'm being sincere
00:28:23
friedberg just freeburg on science and you know
that's five shows and we just say every friday
00:28:28
there's gonna be five shows like this is your
weekend and we're gonna loop it and there'll be a q a i guarantee you we could get five other
besties to do shows you know and we would didn't
00:28:39
didn't you guys originally like so for the
audience um that that doesn't know this originally
00:28:45
the all-in podcast was uh chamath and jason
they were talking about doing a show together
00:28:50
um and then covet hit and they uh i think you guys
asked me on the pod zero to talk about covet stuff
00:28:56
um but what was the original goal you guys had
you know did isn't that what you wanted to do
00:29:02
originally was to have kind of a direct audience
and a direct conversation about you know whatever it is you wanted to talk about where you could
have this kind of long-form dialogue um you know
00:29:10
what what did you guys why did you guys want to do
it in the first place i mean wasn't that kind of the idea i'll tell you what what's sort of like my
general viewpoint is which is that um like we are
00:29:21
atomizing our affinity so i think that like we've
gone from believing in institutions and now i
00:29:29
think we fundamentally mistrust institutions then
we spent 30 or 40 years believing in companies
00:29:34
and now i think we basically don't believe
in companies anymore and now we're sort of at the at the at the bleeding edge of what where
belief and trust exists which is at an individual
00:29:45
person level ownership ownership so so like
you know i and i think that when an individual
00:29:53
has the potential to not just be about
something for themselves but also for themes
00:29:59
that other people care about that's when you
get real heat and obviously the most impressive example of that is elon because you know e
represents exploration engineering science climate
00:30:09
change you know memes all all of this stuff um not
release not really uh i think the other things are
00:30:16
really what matters no um and so and so what it
shows people is like i just want to find affinity
00:30:22
around a few key people and what he is is not
the end state he's the beginning of the beginning
00:30:28
right so what's going to happen is all of us will
say i don't trust institutions so whatever they
00:30:34
put out is just going to be corpo i don't trust
companies what they say is going to be corpo
00:30:39
i'm going to take my best shot at finding folks
that i think are real yep um and i'm just going
00:30:44
to get that's the thing that's why i wanted to
do this with jason and then with the four of us i
00:30:50
think what happened almost accidentally is it's
like a real plurality of views and um and you
00:30:58
don't have to agree with all of us and frankly
no nobody does and we don't generally agree
00:31:04
100 but i think that's what's happening so i think
we're another much smaller than elon but another
00:31:10
example of you're going to want to find your own
truth tellers you know folks that you will get
00:31:16
behind and and and i think that you know business
people that's where they're going to emerge because if you look at that first generation
of star kim kardashian the kanye west of the
00:31:25
world that's arcing you know then people went to
like the mystery beasts and that's still building
00:31:31
so you have the business celebrity building you
have sort of next generation celebrity building
00:31:36
and i think that's right let me just ask you
guys one question because you know i think the the intention with with journalists was kind
of to be arbiters of the truth or discover as a
00:31:45
fact and to deliver that fact um to their audience
and when you have this direct relationship between
00:31:54
the source and the audience as you do
through social media and twitter and whatnot
00:31:59
there isn't an arbiter there isn't a third party
and everything that then is said by the source is taken at face value how does that play out in
a world where you know trump may say things like
00:32:10
hey there's election fraud um when the facts don't
line up and now you have this ability to not have
00:32:15
an arbiter and these people anyone that now has a
direct relationship with a large audience can say anything they want and kind of drive large change
without those things necessarily being rooted
00:32:25
in some you know relative kind of objective
um sense so sax well i mean i think it's a
00:32:32
marketplace of ideas and everybody's competing and
the the answer to bad speech or bad ideas is more
00:32:38
speech and better ideas and um i mean that's
the reality is it is very frustrating to see
00:32:44
you know people propagating things that aren't
true however none of us has a monopoly on the truth we can't say for sure what it is and so
we arrive at the truth through sort of a free
00:32:53
marketplace of ideas um there is no better
solution than that you know there is no
00:32:59
magical way to entrust a small elite of people
with you know the right to censor and tell us
00:33:06
what the truth is without essentially you know
creating a worse situation and um you know that
00:33:13
that's the fundamental problem so yeah look
we're we're gonna we're we're going to this era in which um there there is no um you know if you
go back like 50 years ago you had walter cronkite
00:33:25
saying and that's the way it is and everyone
believed him and then the new york times was the paper of record and people believe
that's fit to print right exactly and
00:33:32
so but that's been steadily eroding for
decades and now the internet is the final erosion of that and um and look i think it's not
an ulti it's not a bad thing because in order for
00:33:45
journalism to work you need all the journalists to
buy into a certain code of journalistic behavior
00:33:51
and ethics which is all about objectivity
and the press doesn't buy into that anymore they don't believe in objectivity anymore
no yeah i'll tell you something saks young
00:34:01
writers i found when we were trying to hire young
writers for insight as an example they all wanted
00:34:07
to write anti-trump you know pro-woke whatever
they had some acts to grind and i said you know
00:34:13
you should really write for an opinion page but
you haven't done any journalism yet so you should probably do journalism for 10 years and then the
second decade you earn the right to be on the
00:34:21
opinion page let's put in some reps do 10 years
of this and you know it just never uh actually
00:34:29
wait do you guys hear something you guys seen
that movie from and there's that moment where
00:34:35
the movie just suddenly the scene changes and
everything's different what's that is somebody at the oh what's going on that's the heavy line
wait what somebody's calling the bestie phone
00:34:46
did you give the bestie phone number to somebody
oh my god it's somebody wait what's going on
00:34:51
who's there you up you up you what's going on
okay let's see is anybody there hello hello
00:34:59
whoa
00:35:06
draymond green in the house what's up nasty
gusty guests what's going on what's up besties
00:35:14
where are you are you in a are you in a uh
coronavirus covid quarantined somewhere in
00:35:20
an nba bubble where are you i am i mean i'm in
dallas stuck in the hotel with bad water pressure
00:35:27
the worst that honestly that is the thing
if you had to give me the most luxurious
00:35:32
hotel in the world but with a tap a faucet for
water pressure no thanks i would rather sleep
00:35:38
i would rather sleep in a box with a great with
a great shower the water pressure is everything
00:35:44
everything all right on the call obviously uh
drafted by the golden state warriors in the
00:35:49
second round 35th overall in the 2020 nba draft
three-time nba champion 2016-17 defensive player
00:35:57
of the year two-time nba all-star five-time
all-defense uh and drafted behind michael kidd
00:36:04
gilchrist dion warriors harrison barnes tyler
zeller miles plumbing and i don't know how many
00:36:11
people got drafted ahead of you draymond but i
know that you can repeat them in order is there anybody ahead of you who has achieved even a
fraction of what you've achieved in the nba
00:36:19
draymond there's 34 guys drafted ahead of me and
i definitely can still name all of them and saying
00:36:26
that i think there are a few um anthony davis
he's done okay he got one ring damian lillard
00:36:35
no rings but a stud though he's very
good player but no rings i'm just saying
00:36:42
and bradley bill brad bill okay also no rings
00:36:47
i got all the guys in the rings category
but then i don't have patrick mccall in the rings category patrick mccall has the same
amount of range as me so who you know you know
00:36:59
respect to those guys i named although
they don't have the rings i got major respect for those guys we were
thinking about what to talk to you about
00:37:08
coming on the pod and we have a
series of questions just about being an nba player and what you've learned
and how good you've become i just i'll start
00:37:17
it off with one question which is it seems like
every year you get a little better at something how do you do that do you like say over the summer
i'm just going to be better at my screens i'm
00:37:27
going to be better at x y or z or do you just
try to get incrementally better all year long
00:37:33
i mean you always want to try to get better all
year long but the reality is with this season with the way not just this season in particular
in nba season in general you don't have much
00:37:44
time to get better so you're kind of just getting
better on the fly and when you're in your workouts
00:37:49
during the season you're just trying to maintain
because there's such little prep time but during the off-season you really lock in on a couple of
things and try to get better at those things and
00:37:59
you know i think i've become a much better ball
handler i think i see the floor much better i think i've gotten better overall as a player the
one area that i've wanted to see more growth in
00:38:09
is my shooting and you know when i'm shooting a
basketball on my own i know for sure i've gotten
00:38:16
better at shooting um like you know you come in
the gym with me i shoot the lights out every time
00:38:21
but it's it's about getting over that mental block
in the game you know i think that's the thing
00:38:26
people don't realize is you know i shot the lights
out for years in a row and you know i had a year
00:38:33
where i think i shot 39 from three but then you go
through the struggle and once you lose it mentally
00:38:40
it's hard to get it back and so i'm fighting that
challenge now although i know i can make the shot
00:38:45
so when you get in the game mentally
you got to get over that hurdle what do you do you do like meditation or do
you have like a coach who does like positive
00:38:53
visualizations or something like that or is it
just reps and working through a shooting slump
00:38:59
i've definitely incorporated some meditation on
the calm app thank you shout out oh jesus christ
00:39:07
did you give him no more come on you
describe that [ __ ] on the only podcast
00:39:22
are other players in the nba struggling right
now i mean with like covet over the last year and the shutdown and the fits and starts and
everything i mean is it kind of tough to get
00:39:29
in the game mentally for folks and is it it's
brutal it's brutal um you know you talk to guys
00:39:35
around the league um there's even some guys
and i won't throw anybody under the bus but
00:39:41
and i'm talking about one
superstar in particular who i've never seen him out of shape and
he's so out of shape right now everybody
00:39:52
no comments james hard it's not luke or jane's
heart but i've never seen this guy to shape um
00:39:59
and he's out of shape right now and i actually
explained it he's like man the bubble like oh it's
00:40:06
just been hard and i completely understand that
i mean what it's brutal and this season currently
00:40:14
you know i don't want to sound like um just
this over privileged guy who's complaining about
00:40:21
uh being able to make a living because there's
so many people who've lost their jobs and i don't
00:40:26
take you know being able to go to work for granted
at all but this season has been extremely tough
00:40:32
you know whereas an nba day normally is like
maybe four to six hours like every day right
00:40:38
now it's like 10 to 12 hours wow and you know
it's covert testing you for 11 a.m practice we
00:40:45
have to be at the facility at 8 45 a.m oh wow and
then you have to be back at this facility to test
00:40:55
no later than five [ __ ] in between four and
five pm and so you you kind of have these long
00:41:01
drawn out days and about maybe two hours of that
is actual work time you know and then you're just
00:41:07
trying to do some recovery things to kill time you
can't lead a hotel you know for myself one thing
00:41:13
that i've always found in nba season is it's
a ton of pressure obviously and it's very very
00:41:21
demanding like you can't really do much else as
you guys know i'm always trying to coordinate with
00:41:26
y'all about playing poker around the sketch you
can't really do anything else but one place that i found is normally i'll take like a day trip to
aspen you know or do different things like that a
00:41:37
day trip to l.a to kind of clear your mind and get
a release you don't have those releases now you
00:41:42
can't take a day trip you can't get away even on
off days you have to go to the facility and test
00:41:49
and so even just seeing that facility that they
although you may not even go in to work out but
00:41:54
you drive into that facility every day mentally
it's exhausting and so it's been a very tough
00:42:00
season to say the least i think a lot of guys
are struggling with it and saying that you know we all want to continue to earn our lives
it must be better to be what you have to do
00:42:09
must be better to be playing versus being stuck
at home with with the league shut down right i
00:42:14
mean it's got to be better for sure yeah i
mean it's better for all of us obviously uh you know from an economical standpoint we all
want to continue to make money uh you know
00:42:24
and provide for our families we all want to
continue to take this lead to new heights so it's always better uh for us to be on the
court than off and but that comes with certain
00:42:33
challenges and you just got to deal with those
challenges and try to continue to press forward before you came on we were talking about the media
and we're talking about how all these industries
00:42:45
used to rely on the media to tell their story
and now all these industries are finding ways
00:42:50
to go around them and it's even happening in
venture capital right in the business of sports
00:42:56
i found this thing that that i thought was really
interesting um ronaldo signed a one billion dollar
00:43:02
lifetime contract right i think this was like two
three years insane but then it turned out that in
00:43:08
one year he generated 474 million dollars of value
for nike just through social media because of
00:43:17
the number of followers he had which i think is
just absolutely nuts um what do you think about
00:43:24
the media what do you think about your ability to
tell your version of the facts through the media
00:43:30
i think um we've definitely grown in that area as
you said in you know in all uh business whether
00:43:37
it's basketball whether it's venture you know
just all over the border everyone is growing in that area and kind of start taking the bull by
the horns and try to tell their own narrative
00:43:46
um you know if you want me to be quite frank
with you i hate the media and i've even
00:43:57
i could possibly be a part of
that group one day you know but i hate the media and the
reason i hate the media is
00:44:04
i don't hate particular people you know i have
relationships with a ton of people in media great
00:44:10
people i hate what media entails in today's day
and age you know it's all about um who can stir
00:44:17
up the most commotion what happened with this guy
uh what happened with that guy um it's less about
00:44:24
man this guy is struggling on the floor and more
about james harden was in the club yeah you know
00:44:29
so how much controversy can we stir up about
james's heart being in the club as opposed to
00:44:36
if we really wanted to talk bad about james harden
when he was on houston rockets he was bumming it
00:44:41
now we all know james harden isn't a bomb player
but he was completely dogging it with the houston
00:44:46
rockets he's completely turned it up and turned
back into james harden as he's gotten to the nets but you can easily if you want to nitpick
at james harder and talk about james harden
00:44:57
not playing well but in turn we're going to talk
about james harden being in the club that night and he was at little baby's birthday party and
although you know i i disagree with some of the
00:45:05
things you were doing why is that all that right
it's all about it's all about clicks and and
00:45:12
selling ad dollars against that we were
just talking about that before you got on look at what happened to kyrie in in the span of
literally a week kyrie had both sides of the same
00:45:21
coin one was he violates the shelter in place or
whatever and was like at a birthday party with his family and then he gets suspended and on the
other side kyrie had bought a house for george
00:45:31
floyd's family yeah and so it's like both are true
but you have to go through these two news cycles
00:45:37
where first he's just a piece of [ __ ] and then
he's this amazing philanthropist what's the point
00:45:42
yeah i i i agree i don't i don't get the
point like and like like freeburg just said
00:45:49
it's it's all about clicks yeah and i think that's
short-lived you know at some point everyone's
00:45:57
gonna get tired of your clickbait and so yes it
may drive you revenue right now it may um you
00:46:04
know bring more subscribers right now but in the
long term people are going to get sick of that
00:46:09
at the end of the day authenticity always wins
out when you create great products when you give
00:46:16
everything great to whatever business
that you're giving that's always going to outlive the [ __ ] and so you got and that's why
you're starting to see so many so much turnover
00:46:26
with media people and leaving this job and going
to this place and leaving other places because people get sick of that [ __ ] and so i feel
like all of these guys are driving themselves out
00:46:36
you're constantly you're killing your
relationships with players you're killing your and when i say players i'm not just talking
about nba players you guys are the players in
00:46:45
the venture space we're the players in the in the
basketball space you're killing your relationships with the players so eventually you're just going
to be stuck there tweeting out [ __ ] making
00:46:55
[ __ ] articles that no one will co-sign to and
then no one wants to [ __ ] hear you anymore
00:47:02
oh boy looks like we got our bestie in
rotation now yeah i gotta get clapped that's a little rant a little dragon oh
man your first bestie rant that draymond
00:47:14
we've all we've all had our moments we've all
had draymond have you watched or listened to any of this podcast before of course are you [ __
] kidding me i have a i have a question actually
00:47:26
so so yeah and i'm not sure if the viewers know
because from jason's introduction that we actually
00:47:32
play poker with you right right that's how i
got to know you and you know obviously it's been
00:47:37
a real thrill and uh because you're a great
guy and it's also really interesting to get a window into your world but i'm curious like
what do you get out of hanging out with us or
00:47:46
you know these these losers yeah so you know and
uh and then you know maybe use that as a segue and
00:47:55
also talk about what you're doing in business
these days because i think that's interesting what what i get from hanging out with you guys
is number one incredible friends um you know i
00:48:05
think that's what's been the most important
thing for me is just building friendships that will go far beyond any of you guys doing any
deals that have gone far beyond me doing any deals
00:48:17
or me playing basketball and that's the thing
that i cherish the most um you know obviously it started with besties bringing me into the poker
game and introducing me to everyone and then all
00:48:28
of you guys welcoming me with open arms and you
know i always say in the groups in our group chats
00:48:34
uh anytime that there's a debate going on i made
sure to throw my disclaimer out there hey i can't
00:48:40
talk anything with you guys i know
everyone can talk circles around me but this is how i feel on sad topic tell us about
the tell us about the temperature in america
00:48:54
the temperature in america uh is [ __ ] up and and
i think you know where we are today as a country
00:49:03
um it's no different than where we were 30 years
ago 40 years ago we just live in a day and age of
00:49:09
social media where we can see everything and so
the same battle cry that dr king was crying uh
00:49:17
50 years ago it's still currently going on
today it's the same exact thing or 60 years ago
00:49:25
it's the same exact things that's that's taking
place today and our country is one and in one
00:49:31
of the most [ __ ] up spaces it's ever been in
and then saying that it's in just about the same
00:49:37
place that it's always been in it yeah and so
you know we've supercoated [ __ ] for so long
00:49:42
that it seems now like oh police killings are
an all-time high of shooting unarmed people um
00:49:51
you know racism is at an all-time high it's not
an all-time high it's the same that it's been
00:49:57
it's just on the it's it's being pushed to the
forefront now yeah as opposed to it being on the
00:50:03
back burner before and so um that's that's just
kind of where we are as a country um you know
00:50:12
do you think sentiment's gonna shift draymond
i mean you know the protests that happened in this country over the last year obviously happened
during covet and um and i think it magnified them
00:50:22
a lot more uh than you know similar protests that
have taken place historically but you know are we
00:50:27
seeing like sentiment shift in the united states
in terms of policy and people's behaviors and
00:50:32
and attitudes right now uh i think some people
behavior but i don't think anything is going to
00:50:39
shift um in part and partly because we live in
a fake ass world where no one can say anything
00:50:45
you say anything you get castrated for you're i
i think um you know and telling your truth which
00:50:54
in order to create the change that we need in
america people have to be able to speak the truth
00:51:01
and if you can't speak the truth without getting
[ __ ] destroyed and a part of the [ __ ] castle
00:51:06
culture that we all have to deal with then
how can you ever create change through a lie
00:51:13
lies are is what we've been facing for hundreds
of years but yet when you get in front of a
00:51:20
microphone you have to be very conscious of what
you say because it may piss this group of people
00:51:25
off or it may pinch that group of people off and
then you're never allowed to tell the [ __ ] truth so how will we ever move forward as a country
if no one can tell the truth and you only get
00:51:35
canceled so you cancel who tells the truth and
we [ __ ] push forwards all the lies we'll never
00:51:41
move anywhere as a country so i don't think we're
going anywhere seems like in the nba we went from
00:51:48
the players saying listen i don't want to touch
that michael jordan was very clear in the last dance like you know i'm a i'm an athlete i don't
want to talk about politics i don't want to lose
00:51:56
half the audience and then you had you know melo
um and uh you know lebron and a bunch of folks see
00:52:04
uh chris paul i guess was in that group too dwyane
wade when they came out and said hey listen we got to talk about this and we got to talk about race
in america and then that culminated with the black
00:52:14
lives matter um branding of everything in the
bubble and that kind of historic moment what's the
00:52:22
what's what was the vibe inside of the nba when
the player said listen this is important to us if
00:52:27
we're going to get back on the court we need to
make this front and center this is our priority
00:52:33
and then you let's face it you got a lot
of owners in the league maybe who are old white guys maybe they don't want to bring this
kind of heat they don't want this kind of debate
00:52:41
they want to just play ball shut up and dribble
all this nonsense what was that moment like when you guys said no this is what we have
to do if we're going to get back on the court
00:52:50
i think i think guys have just had enough and more
most importantly i think um now more than ever
00:52:58
guys truly understand the power of the athlete
you know exactly closing the loop on what we just
00:53:05
said you we control the narrative you control the
narrative absolutely and and so we're just kind
00:53:12
of in a space where we understand this ship don't
sell without us and the things that matter to us
00:53:19
has to matter to the league now
right and saying that i think uh we have a commissioner that supports everything
we stand for and when you have a commissioner like
00:53:29
adam silver who is in full support of everything
that the players stand for it's never trying to
00:53:35
fight us it's never trying to put a muzzle on us
and tell us not to stand up for what we believe in that that's a very powerful thing and that's why
the nba is the most powerful sports league in
00:53:46
the world because we have a commissioner who's on
board and who not only supports what the players
00:53:53
think and what we believe in but he takes it even
a step further you know and and you don't see that
00:54:00
you see the nfl tell guys you have to stand you
know or or stay in the locker room adam silver
00:54:08
don't do us don't do that to us and that's why
there's always friction between their commissioner
00:54:13
and their players david what did you think about
the storm the capital when you were watching that
00:54:18
what was going through your mind we we
see the two different sides of america the first thing that went through my mind was i
wonder if that was a black lives matter protest
00:54:29
or or black lives matter protesters stormed in
the capital how much of a blood bath it would
00:54:35
have been it would have been one of the biggest
bloodbaths in american history you know and and so
00:54:44
immediately when i saw it the first thing i
thought of was like wow how how is this even
00:54:49
happening like and let alone it not happening no
one and by the way i don't wish death on anyone
00:54:59
but i know that if those who are melanated
people storming into the capitol building
00:55:06
it would have been bloodshed everywhere that
would happen absolutely and so it just kind of um
00:55:13
really once again just revealed how there's
two sides of america and as i said before
00:55:19
until we tell the truth about it we'll still will
continue to live in the day and age where there'll
00:55:25
be two sides of america draymond when covid first
started and we went into lockdown and we were all
00:55:30
texting with each other talking about like how
crazy the world had become one of the things that stuck with me and still sticks with me is
the comments you made over our text chain about
00:55:40
how it feels like you felt growing up can you just
explain what you meant by that and like just share
00:55:46
that with our audience that's listening because
it was such a striking comment we were all like oh my gosh like i can't go outside i can't like go
to the store like this this world is crazy and you
00:55:55
were like this is what it was like and it was just
such a striking maybe you can just share a little bit about what you meant by that because i think
it paints a little bit of a picture uh you know
00:56:03
for folks to understand a little bit about you
know kind of you know what america can be like
00:56:08
and what it's like growing up in in in parts of
the us well number one i want to point out that i
00:56:13
told all y'all the first day we went into lockdown
we also go to cowboy and no one listened to me
00:56:19
that was a good call it was a good call you were
right we should all go where to come oh yeah no
00:56:26
but um when i said that in the group chat uh
what i said what i said in the group chat was
00:56:32
honestly i was in my condo in san francisco
i live in a high rise great view of the bay
00:56:39
bridge great view of the water you see all
the san francisco south champs everywhere and and i said to the group chat after a few weeks
of lockdown i said this you know guys i have to be
00:56:52
quite frank with you this feels no different than
me growing up in saginaw michigan yeah and what
00:56:58
i mean by that i said this feels no different
than me growing up in saginaw mission the only
00:57:03
difference is i know where my next i know where
my next meal is coming from you know and i'm i'm
00:57:08
in a much better place living space than i was but
this show's no different we're unlocked in i can't
00:57:15
go anywhere that was me growing up in saginaw
michigan locked in couldn't go anywhere didn't know that there was a world that existed outside
of saginaw michigan and basketball was able
00:57:26
to take me different places but i i didn't know
anything existed and nothing seemed accessible to
00:57:31
a young black kid growing up in saginaw michigan
so once i was once i was then locked in the house
00:57:37
along with everyone else in the world it just
took me back to a space of wow nothing else is
00:57:44
accessible to me this was exactly what it was when
i was growing up as a 10 year old like nothing was
00:57:51
accessible to us we didn't have anything yeah
that's how and so when we went into lockdown
00:57:59
like i felt right at home i felt like the
kid growing up in saginaw again nothing was accessible to me but it's such a poignant point
draymond because so many people don't you know
00:58:10
people don't have that experience but hearing you
say that it provides perspective that there are people living that today um and it's not just
about a coveted lockdown but it's about a
00:58:19
different world um that we don't get to see so i
really appreciated you sharing that i it honestly
00:58:24
was very poignant and kind of struck a nerve with
me when you said it absolutely i think you know
00:58:30
one one thing another thing i said in the chat
and i am included we we all got got a chance
00:58:36
to see what it felt like to be those people you
know obviously right i lived that life growing up
00:58:42
but once you remove from it you're removed from
it right like i you know you try not to never forget but let's let's be frank you know if you
you grew up with nothing uh coming from india and
00:58:54
or sri lanka and going to canada you had nothing
you understand and you know we all understand
00:59:00
from a different perspective but there are still
people currently that live that live that life
00:59:06
today and they gave all of us a glimpse of what
those people go through on a daily basis the one
00:59:12
the one thing about this pandemic is that i've
had these moments day where like i actually now am a little bit more connected to my past i did
this um i did this podcast with this guy patrick
00:59:22
o'shaughnessy and he ends every podcast and he
says you know uh what is the kindest thing that
00:59:28
some somebody's done to you and i had pushed this
memory down into the [ __ ] recesses of my mind
00:59:34
except in this last year i've remembered all these
kindnesses because i've i've now i've these are
00:59:41
the moments where i felt the most insecure and i
and i told the story about this kid who you know
00:59:46
when i was like 11 or 12 he was eight so he was
in my sister's class and their family gave us
00:59:54
a mattress two mattresses and some clothes you
know some plates and like a frying pan and a pot
01:00:01
literally when we got refugee status and
when i said it on the thing i started bawling
01:00:08
and then i kind of collected myself and then
getting a little clamped even hearing you talking
01:00:13
well and the next the next morning uh nat said
how did it go and i told her and i exploded and
01:00:22
i was crying and crying and crying and crying
and to your point like it is so easy to forget
01:00:29
where you come from but it's also easy to forget
that there's a simple [ __ ] externality in this
01:00:34
case it's a it's a virus you can't see that
gets trans and it makes us all the same in one
01:00:40
fell soup in one nanosecond and if that doesn't
make you sort of like empathetic to everybody
01:00:45
not nothing will but that's one silver lining in
this whole [ __ ] debacle is it's an opportunity
01:00:52
for for for a lot of folks to reconnect with
their own self you know and be a better absolutely
01:00:59
there's something you you paused on draymond
during the pandemic when you weren't playing and you guys obviously with the injuries and
everything didn't you weren't in the bubble
01:01:08
so you had a lot of time to be with yourself
did you have any like during this great pause
01:01:15
you know i don't know revelations about yourself
your career and what you want to do in the second
01:01:21
half of your career because let's be honest i mean
the run the warriors has had has been transcended
01:01:26
i mean you guys have checked off every box you
personally have checked off every box especially
01:01:32
for a guy who was drafted in the second round to
be a champion and like the way you've developed and the leadership i mean everybody in the league
knows when you're on the court that's the team and
01:01:40
you have that leadership the ability to see the
floor and direct the offense direct the defense
01:01:46
did you come up with anything we said this is
what i want out of the future my life because we saw you dabble with you know tnt and the
desk and you killed it we've seen you miked
01:01:55
up we see you coaching now it seems like there's
a 2.0 draymond like maybe a little evolution here
01:02:01
of your thinking about maybe the third act and
the second half of your mba career on the court uh you know i had a lot of time to really sit and
reflect uh you know i grew a lot in my personal
01:02:13
relationships which i think was important um you
know and and i think i also grew up grew a lot as
01:02:20
as a business professional as well um and speaking
of uh you know the tnt stuff and i was i think you
01:02:28
know we've kind of always or i've kind of always
heard like man when you when you finish playing
01:02:35
you'll have a great career in tv but the reality
is you know we've seen some players uh you know
01:02:42
that were really good players get out
there and not be very you know be very good
01:02:49
sitting at the desk or or you know um color
commentating the game and so it's not as easy as
01:02:58
most people think it is people think just because
you play basketball hey that you know basketball
01:03:04
and then b that you're going to help
you you're going to be able to translate
01:03:11
or or help give everyone else an understanding
of what exactly it is that you see and and so
01:03:19
getting up there and actually being able to do it
and then the reception that i got which was people
01:03:25
you know in my mind i've always said i want to
be tony romo of the nba tony romo is one of my
01:03:33
favorite people to watch do color commentary
because he makes it very simple for you to
01:03:40
understand he tell you tony romo sit there and
call the plays out that a team is about to run
01:03:46
just by seeing the formation and they do exactly
what he said they're about to do it's the most incredible thing and and speaking of which we
were talking about earlier which was the media
01:03:58
one of the things that pissed me off most
about the game of basketball today is i can't turn on a sports talk show and actually
learn about basketball and that [ __ ] pisses
01:04:07
me off all i can turn on and talk show about
is they're about [ __ ] but the reality is
01:04:14
we have so many people talking and and
speaking about the game of basketball they
01:04:20
don't know [ __ ] right and so you can't turn
on the tv and learn and so the one thing i'll
01:04:26
say i want to bring to that world is i want
to be able to teach the game of basketball
01:04:32
and then for people to then contact me once i
was sitting up there at the desk and inside on
01:04:37
inside the nba and doing all of these different
things to contact me and say the way you break the game down makes it so easy to understand
that was a huge win for me and it gave me a
01:04:47
lot of hope to want to succeed more in that area
well i'll i'll say something different um which
01:04:53
is what i see is like just in just an incredibly
beautiful human being because like you're able to
01:05:01
humanize that but then you can go and speak
on these other things that's actually what we
01:05:07
need more of because all of a sudden now it's
very hard to put people in a box and it shows
01:05:12
that we are all multifaceted it's just that
sometimes we don't get the exposure meaning like i would say i have different facets of my
personality because we've been friends for so
01:05:23
long and that's a gift you gave to me you just
said being in that group chat with us which can
01:05:29
be a cacophonous [ __ ] mess sometimes that group
chat should that group chat can never be never to
01:05:39
but the point is like and this goes back to
this first thing like we can now really like be authentic and show all these different facets
of ourself and it's just like to me that's what's
01:05:48
really important because then people see that
there is more than you know like like the the most
01:05:55
the best rebuttal to like that whole shut up and
dribble which was so [ __ ] offensive is literally for you to be great at basketball great at
broadcasting great as a you know social you know
01:06:05
person who can comment on the social times of our
moment great businessman and then i'm just going to put one thing out there right now eventually
great [ __ ] politician because this is like now
01:06:15
you want to talk about somebody no but you want to
talk about somebody who can galvanize interest and there's an open governor uh um someone someone on
our podcast no longer running apparently guys guys
01:06:27
i'm going to make a prediction that our bestie
will be the governor of michigan or the governor
01:06:33
of california love it before before the time
he's finished love it there you go thank you i
01:06:39
appreciate that maybe uh i mean i you know i love
the state of michigan that's home uh you know but
01:06:45
i i think california will be home for me for
the rest of my life so yeah possibly california
01:06:51
hey draymond let me ask you a question uh you're
you're on twitter i understand you have a twitter
01:06:56
handle sometimes you check it out did you see
chamoth's shirtless picture with the shirt off
01:07:03
and david did you see the first trap did you see a
tail trooper tell the truth i mean he looked away
01:07:10
if we all know shamaf i'm sorry he
probably sent it to the [ __ ] group
01:07:19
of us i definitely saw the picture actually i i i'm
the one who posted it to the to the group chat no
01:07:30
that's not posted my comment my
comment was chamath kardashian
01:07:36
question because you put you put the camera in
front of your face you were like you you it looked
01:07:46
like this it was like you did this thing like
that day-date taught me how to do this he's like
01:07:52
oh yeah we're nearing the end of our podcast jason
uh do you want to tell day day what we're gonna do
01:08:03
okay so uh some people have given some reviews
or just feedback on the pod on the besties maybe
01:08:10
even you draymond and so we thought it would be
incredibly uncomfortable uh and funny for us to
01:08:17
read some of these so uh sax why don't you kick us
off with one well there's a really good pie chart
01:08:23
here which um nick nick and show which shows
all in pod talk time and it's basically mostly
01:08:32
and then jason with both david's
filling like a tiny little piece and then so it's one third the majority of it
is chamath and jason talking over each other
01:08:43
um bored elon musk posted that i guess yeah
uh here's one from brooklyn gal 212 on saks
01:08:49
one star review sax go ahead and read
this one-star review from brooklyngal212 yeah she says that david sacks ruins
every conversation on this call
01:08:59
you forgot the period all right here's one about
chamato yeah timothy this one okay uh it's from
01:09:06
howard axelroark um with a pebble
okay with that with a pill it says
01:09:13
every time chamath does something to make me like
him he does two things to make me hate his guts
01:09:24
it sounds like me and my playing career
everyone [ __ ] hates me man it's crazy
01:09:32
draymond i will tell you when when i first
when i first thought about putting a tweet out for like the first time you were the one
who said man everyone's going to talk [ __ ] but
01:09:39
forget the haters like that's just the way
it goes when you start oh yeah [ __ ] them yeah [ __ ] the haters all right here's one for
a superfan aaron sent this one into the email
01:09:49
jason at this point i fully believe you have
bought laminated and framed kathy griffin
01:09:54
severed trump in that picture how many gallons
of siemens filled onto it was incorporated oh my
01:10:02
twitter offered two blue chuck marks you'd
have three your zealotry has made even bill
01:10:07
maher blush and the other besties cringe when
you can't take even a slight ribbing it's so bad now the besties have started their own
side chat without you at your funeral the
01:10:17
besties will show up not out of respect for
you but for your family oh my god my lord
01:10:24
jacqueline sacks oh my lord okay david yours is like oh wait wait
i need to do this hot take hot take ready the
01:10:35
hot take hot takes not deeply researched three
stars jason and chamath make good points but the
01:10:43
other two are such whiny nerds one of whom is
clearly right wing wannabe vanilla isis jesus
01:10:52
oh my god did he just call you a terrorist i think
uh i think he's referring to freeburg which david
01:11:03
definitely not me definitely they both have the
same oh jason you want to read the next one this is incredible evil jason people jason okay here
we go this is from adam keem he posted this on
01:11:13
january 30th so not long ago he gives me a full
one star which i think one star is like number one right five stars is fifth place first star
is one place jason calikanis is a monster monster
01:11:27
wow after listening to jason on the latest
podcast i am floored period his personal tax
01:11:32
and his complete support of the manipulators in
our market should tell you something this guy is evil let's move on what's mom david is
trash that is all which david freeburg always
01:11:45
free burger always free oh no here's here's one
i'll read if metro mile and or becoming new head
01:11:51
of usa vaccination doesn't work out for david
friedberg he could still have an amazing career as a kermit the frog voice actor [ __ ]
here's uh here's marcus aurelius a13367156
01:12:07
saying to me stop sniffing your own
farts what the [ __ ] does that mean
01:12:14
it means that you are so enamored with yourself
jamal that you think your farts are fragrant oh
01:12:20
my god all right okay i'm going to read i'm going
to read a draymond green meanwhile there you go oh no try my green shoot like he's
sitting down in a chair [ __ ] off
01:12:34
oh my god read the next one read the next one
01:12:40
this is from sugar sugar sugar draymond green is so attractive to
to me i don't know why because he's legally ugly
01:12:55
wait a second did she neg you i think she's trying
to slide into the dm's and nagging you with that
01:13:00
you know the brutal by the way the brutal
thing about that the way the bruno moves the brutal thing about that
is is not that one sent to me
01:13:08
she's like man draymond green is really
attractive i said what the [ __ ] are you talking about i said i am so much better
looking than trayvon green he'll never
01:13:31
guts gold bluffs gus draymond green still
shoots like he got the door to the explorer
01:13:43
we invite draymond we invite draymond
on this nice podcast don't even tell him have him roast himself this is he's
never coming back bless my guts
01:13:56
oh my god this is just so hard
it's so hardcore oh my god that was really abundant draymond that
was really fun to have you on thank you
01:14:04
thank you i appreciate it thank you
i love you guys i love all of this
01:14:11
you [ __ ] nervous for not talking circles about
around me on this podcast leave that for the chat
01:14:16
all right thank you i'll be a
big boy all right i love you appreciate you very much hey guys love you
besties i love you besties rain man david
01:14:33
and it said we open source it to
the fans and they've just gone crazy
01:14:46
besties
01:15:09
we need to get back
