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Look at me. Look at me.
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>> Look at me, too.
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>> I'm a normal [ __ ] guy. I can't
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believe I thought I was a Ludy tune. I'm
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in the bell curve of normal male
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nuttiness.
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Hi everyone, this is Pivot from New York
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Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast
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Network. I'm Carara Swisser. Scott is
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off today and I'm joined by the man who
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may or may not be running for president.
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It's Anthony Scaramucci, the mooch,
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lawyer, podcaster, and founder of
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Skybridge Capital. Hello, Anthony. How
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you doing?
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>> All right, I'll stipulate right here on
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this show. You're my running mate. We're
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going to go for it, Carrie. You and me
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the day after April Fools.
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>> I'm your running mate. Let's flip that.
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Strike that. Flip it.
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>> Okay. You want to be the president?
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Okay, great. I'll be your running mate.
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Okay. I'll grow a beard like JD Vance.
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Okay.
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>> Yeah. Oh, please don't.
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>> Emphasis on the word beard. Okay. What
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are we talking about today?
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>> All right, we're talking about Anthony.
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There is so much going on. I just don't
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even know. Explain people. You You put
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up an a fake uh April Fool's thing about
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running for president. Correct. And what
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was
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>> I thought it was I thought it was fun. I
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mean, the reaction was sort of crazy
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actually, but I I thought
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>> I know. I thought it was real for a
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second. Like why not given the craziness
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of this world?
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>> Well, I mean the truth of the matter is
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we could be doing better than we are
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doing right now. That's my honest
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opinion. But I I I I've never felt that
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political calling. But
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>> my my uh my staff made up that mooch
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2028 hat.
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>> Yeah.
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>> And they said, "Let's put this out for
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April Fools." I said, "Okay." You know,
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I I'm not going to play the jokes, you
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know.
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>> Yeah. Yeah. It was
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>> Last year, I wrote that Elon Musk had
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given me a job at Doge. A lot of people
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thought that was true, you know. I don't
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know. People I mean,
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>> I don't engage in April Fools. It's odd.
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I don't I get tricked by them a lot. But
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I I I like it. I appreci I I believed it
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for a second, honestly. I was like,
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"What?" And I sent it to the staff. I
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was like, "Is he running?" I mean,
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again, you never know.
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>> Let me stipulate. I'm not running. I'm
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running for reelection in my marriage
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and and and knows my wife.
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>> How's the polling going? The
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>> going I could be termlimited. That's the
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one problem with my marriage. I'm
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worried about that.
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>> That's true. Your wife is
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>> running for re-election in my marriage.
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My wife has a political platform of
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castration. So, I will not be running
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for president. But anyway, it was a good
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April Fool's joke.
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>> Okay, Anthony, let's get to the news.
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Donald Trump says uh the war in Iran is
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nearing completion, but the US will hit
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Iran extremely hard over the next two to
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three weeks, bombing the country back to
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the stone ages, which is just a lovely
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term. Uh a 19-minute address to the
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nation on Wednesday night, Trump tried
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to justify the war, but didn't offer
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anything new. It was rambling. It was
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problematic. I think he didn't he made
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he lied a lot. He also downplayed
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concerns about economic fallout, calling
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the spike in the gas price a short-term
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increase and saying the straight of
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hormuz would open up naturally after the
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war. He said the same thing about co it
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would end naturally, which it really
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didn't. He didn't say anything about
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putting um uh troops there or following
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through on threats to leave NATO. He
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talks about it but then doesn't do it.
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Talk about the speech because I thought
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it really was a big flat zero like a it
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really was flat and nobody was paying
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attention to it in a weird way. Although
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the markets certainly were.
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>> Yeah. Well, I mean, the speech is about
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power. Okay. So, CBS News, still in
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Trump's mind, the Tiffany Network, said,
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"Hey, no problem. Our reality show
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that's been on the air for 25 years,
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Survivor, we're going to interrupt the
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programming to bring you this speech."
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So, it's not just going to be a cable
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news speech. It' be a network speech.
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Trump's like, "Hey, definitely doing
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that." And so, that shows you a little
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bit of the corruption of the media. Uh,
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I think he has decapitated The reason
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why your show is doing so well is that
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he's decapitated corporate media. He's
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got them chilled. He's got their lawyers
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triple-checking everything they say. And
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so Trump's looking at saying, "Hey, I'm
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going to get attention and uh people on
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me. I'm going with the speech, even if
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it's a speech about nothing." But to
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your point, the market said, "Oh, whoa.
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We're likely going to have ground troops
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in there. we're likely going to have a
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really tough time and a result of which
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it was full risk off after the speech.
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So, and and you know, and people are
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saying to me, they always say, "Oh,
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Trump cares about the market. Trump
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cares about the market." Trump doesn't
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care about the market. Trump cares about
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manipulating the market. Trump cares
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about making money from the market for
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himself and the people around him. He
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doesn't care about your portfolio or
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your market. He doesn't even care about
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the polls anymore because he's not
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running for reelection. And so guys, get
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off of those notions of firstterm Trump
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caring about the market and the poll
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numbers. He has worse poll numbers than
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Jimmy Carter did at the peak of the oil
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crisis
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>> in 1978, 1979. That poll numbers are
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terrible. He doesn't care.
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>> Doesn't care. So what how did you what
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what was the reason for the speech? What
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what is he doing? Why is he making such
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efforts if he doesn't care?
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>> The the the the the reason for the
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speech and as an American
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>> a weak speech. I think we'd agree.
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>> Yeah. But but there was something he
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said in the speech that people should be
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listening to. And as an American citizen
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that's still exercising my first
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amendment right, I denounce it as an
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American citizen. He said he's going to
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bomb Iran into the stone age.
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>> Right.
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>> Okay. That was the reason for the
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speech. And let me explain why that was
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important.
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>> That was important because I'm putting
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the ground troops in. I have a
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12year-old's mentality. Uh, and when I'm
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moving stuff into the region, guess
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what, guys? I'm not using that as a
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leverage point. I'm using the stuff. So,
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the 82nd Airborne is going in there. So
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are the Marines.
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>> 50,000 troops, right?
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>> And but by the way, uh, you know, uh,
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General Kaine told me that that booby
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trap Car Island and they've got all
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these little Vietnam like guerilla
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things they're going to do to our troops
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and our troops are really set up for
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cold war army to army battle. So, I've
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got to spend the next three weeks
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blasting the living daylights out of
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Iran before I can get the troops in
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position. So, I'm going to give you the
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speech and it's going to be I'm going to
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bomb them back to the stone age speech.
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So, this is going to be the speech when
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historians look at the wreckage of
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Donald Trump. They're going to say,
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"What were you guys doing when you let
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somebody that inhumane into the White
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House?"
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>> And so, in preparation for this, I
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prepared something for you. Can I just
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go over this very quickly? Go right
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ahead.
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>> So, it is not enough for MAGA the
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following.
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>> We're going to release the Epstein
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files. Oh, wait a minute. Trump's in the
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Epstein files. We're not going to
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release the EPS files. We're going to
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bomb people to distract from them. We're
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going to bomb a school in Iran with
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young kids in it, mostly women. We're
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going to create alligator Alcatra, which
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is this disgusting penitentiary for
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immigrants in Florida that has sewage
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backup. And we're going to laugh about
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it while we're down there. We're going
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to murder people in Minneapolis. We're
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going to kidnap children and not even
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know where we're sending them. We're
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going to manipulate the markets. Cara,
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we're going to take bribes, particularly
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a big $400 million jet. And I'm going to
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keep the jet after I leave. I'm going to
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excoriate our allies that have been our
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friends for over a century. And I'm
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going to threaten to attack a NATO
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country, Greenland. I'm going to [ __ ]
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all over Canada. And then I'm going to
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come after your first, fourth,
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fifth, and 14th amendment rights in the
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Constitution.
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And oh, by the way, every price in
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America is going to go up as a result of
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my tariffs. And I'm going to lower uh
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corporate taxes, big beautiful spending
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bill. And so if you're making a million
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dollars or more, you're going to get a
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$7,000 benefit. And if you're making
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$50,000 or less, I'm taking $500 of
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benefits away from you and this is what
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I'm going to do and you're going to shut
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up and you're going to like it. MAGA,
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you're still going to support me 34%.
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But let me tell you what's going to kill
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them.
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>> It's the gas prices. So, it turns out
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that the red line for MAGA Carris
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Swisser are the gas prices because they
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don't want to go into the 250th uh
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birthday of America grilling hot dogs at
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$8 a gallon in gas. And so, his approval
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ratings are going into the gutter. But
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everything I just read, including the
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gutting of the Department of Justice,
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and we could name 50 other things,
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hollowing out USAID,
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was acceptable to these
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>> scientists attacking lawyers, attacking
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media.
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>> No, no NIH grants anymore. We're not
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going to do any cancer research in the
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country.
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>> But you said he doesn't care. Like you
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just said like doesn't care.
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>> Doesn't care. So why do it
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>> besid self self-promotion, self
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argrandisement, self-interest?
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>> He he he's doing it because he likes
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putting people in pain. He's doing it
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because he's a miserable sob and he's
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doing it because anybody in his path
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gets destroyed.
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You know, some people say Neilist, other
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people say nihilist, but that is him.
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He's attacking Mcronone this morning.
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>> Oh,
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>> Mcronone is in his field of vision
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today. Uh then he'll attack another
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person. Last yesterday afternoon, he
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said, you know, JD Vance is out there
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negotiating this thing. If it works,
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I'll take all the credit. If it doesn't,
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I'll give him all the blank. That is
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Donald Trump. I have
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>> So, can I can I ask you is is it
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cognitive issues? I mean, you spent it
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seems like that that speech last night
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was like s looked I hate to say it
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looked like my mom on a bad day at the
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at the at the at the nursing home.
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>> Oh, okay. So, I'm the contrarian on this
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cuz I've known the son of a [ __ ] for 20
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years. It's slight cognitive issues, but
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he's not in full-on dementia. He's an
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80-year-old guy that's a little bit
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forgetful. He's stooping a little bit.
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He's lost some posture. Maybe his spine
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is uh a little bit weakened through old
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age. a whole bunch of inflam Speaking of
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inflammation.
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>> Yeah, inflammation. His ankles are
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swollen, but he has not lost it. And
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whether people like it or not, he has a
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lot of energy for an 80-year-old. He's
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moving himself around.
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>> Okay? And so, but what it is, what it is
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is hatred of self and projection of that
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hatred onto others. And and you got to
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see it for what it actually is. Okay.
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The other the other thing is let's say
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that I'm not saying anybody's an agent
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of Putin, but let's say I was an agent
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of Putin. Okay, let's just say
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hypothetically I happen to be an agent
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of Putin and I happen to oh, I happen to
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be the president of the United States.
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So, let me do the following. Let me go
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after the NATO allies. Let me threaten
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to pull out of NATO. Let me to pull aid
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and material from Ukraine, excoriate the
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Ukrainian president. Let me Oh, here's a
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good idea. let me attack Iran and then a
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result of attacking Iran, I'm gonna lift
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the sanctions onions Russian oil
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>> and I'm gonna lift the sanctions on
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their ally Iran's oil.
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>> So now the Russians are going to make
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billions and billions of dollars off of
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this which will help my buddy Vlad.
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>> Mhm.
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>> And uh I don't know, you tell me.
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>> I don't know what he's doing. I I felt
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like I was slightly cognizant, but you
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know, he is having a rough week in
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courts cuz courts are pushing back on
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him everywhere you look. It was like 10
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of them yesterday. Let's go through some
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of his losses. A federal judge
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temporarily halted construction on his
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beloved White House ballroom, saying it
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needs Congress's authorization, and
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Congress doesn't seem to be moving on
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it. Trump's executive order cutting
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funding to NPR and PBS was struck down.
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A judge ruling it violated the First
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Amendment. Another judge ruled that
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civil suit against Trump for his actions
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on January 6 can go forward and that the
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presidential immunity does not apply to
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his speech that day. Uh talking to
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supporters before they marched the
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capital. And one more a judge in Texas
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blocked a Trump back deal allowing
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churches to endorse political
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candidates. Trump also was at the
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Supreme Court on Wednesday very briefly
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listening to arguments out whether his
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executive order will limit to limit
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birthright citizenship is
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constitutional. The justices seemed
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skeptical and that's being kind. his
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latest order restricting mail and voting
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ahead of the 2026 election is already
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facing legal challenges and he's gonna
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lose. He's going to lose badly on that
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one. So, pick a case, any case, and do I
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mean, this is what he does. He
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transgresses with illegal actions and
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then everyone's picking up the pieces
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and pushing back legally and he he does
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damage in the wake. Um, what is he's
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going to lose on every one of these
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things? It seems like any does it matter
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or what? Well, I see I don't I don't I
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>> The only one he cares about is the
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ballroom from what I can tell.
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>> Well, see, I actually think there's a
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bigger thing going on here because
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remember Trump to a group of right-wing
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intellectuals is an empty vessel. Okay,
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so they they bought call options on him
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on January 7, 2021.
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Low point for Trump right after the
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insurrection. Everyone said he was
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politically dead. And so these
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right-wing lunatics that couldn't get
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the time of day of a Mitt Romney or a
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George W. Bush, they said, "Let's team
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up with Donald Trump. He's probably
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going to come back. He still has lots of
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MAGA popularity. And if he comes back,
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we can take all of this intellectual
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nonsense that we believe and we can run
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the card table with Trump." So let's
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talk about one of the cases, which is
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the argument against birthright
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citizenship. So remember, everybody's
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looking at the case like, "Oh, he's
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trying to repeal the 14th amendment.
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Blah blah blah. He's going to lose the
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case. Ho haha." I don't see it that way.
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This is a maximalist position. Okay?
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This is a group of people to Trump's
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right, these intellectual imbeciles that
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want to expand article 2 executive power
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and they are pushing for a maximalist
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position. Okay? So every fight whether
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it's win or lose expands the boundaries
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of what future presidents will try.
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Carol and I think this is the point that
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people need to
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>> even if he loses like
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>> even if he loses you just put on the
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table that everything in this
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constitution is negotiable.
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>> You see what I just did? I I I went to
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the court to intimidate them for my
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base.
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>> Didn't work. My base hates black and
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brown people and they hate anchor babies
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and I'm sending my base a message that
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I'm fighting for them. Okay, but
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imbecile let me just point out
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something. If you let's say they ruled
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with you, you would create a situation
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that is ridiculous. Okay. And what is
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that situation? you would have children
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born in the country
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>> that are actually have no citizens
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rights anywhere because a lot of the
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parents
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>> the justices pointed that out the
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justice
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>> okay so that you would have that they
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wouldn't be able to work legally in the
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country they wouldn't be entitled to
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schooling uh this is this is a
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constitutional
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>> why do the maximist thing when the
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minimalist thing is how they get things
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that's how they got to abortion they
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slowly slowly slowly slowly
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ate at it. This is this is going to
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never be
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>> brought up again for 20 years, 50 years.
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>> Cara, I got three years to push and
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shove you guys. Okay. Now, if I can only
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get control of the elections, what I can
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then do is install another rightwinger
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to further weaken everything in the
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constitution. You know, Peter Teal, he
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says, "I don't like the Constitution.
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The Constitution's very, very messy. I
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don't like these people that I don't
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agree with. I want the things to go my
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way or the highway. And so I need the
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orange wrecking ball. I've got three
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years left. I got to smash into that
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constitution as hard as possible. And
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but and see and by the way, good news
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for me. I've already weakened the
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Constitution in the eyes of 30 40 50% of
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the people.
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>> So I got to keep going on this and see
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this.
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>> I see. So, they're going to just keep
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trying to smash until they can't
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>> until they can't, even if they don't
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win.
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>> But I have a question for you if you
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don't mind. Are
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>> we living, you and me?
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>> Mhm.
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>> Are we living in a rogue state?
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>> Meaning
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>> Okay. Well, we're Let's go over what a
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rogue state is. Where
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>> I know, but who's the rogue? Him or us?
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>> Uh, well, I I have to say that our
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government is the rogue. Yes. You know,
00:16:40
our government is the rogue.
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>> Parts of it. Parts of it. Are we are we
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living in a rogue state?
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>> We're living in an executive that wants
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to take more power than ever, which is
00:16:49
something that's happens in Silicon
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Valley. It happens in which you're
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trying to apply their Silicon Valley um
00:16:57
you spoke of Teal and the others Silicon
00:16:58
Valley management style to the
00:17:01
government which has been growing for
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decades and decades and decades. That's
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not a new fresh thing. and some used to
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accuse Franklin Don Roosevelt of a
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similar thing if you were, you know, I
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was not alive then, but if you read
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history, um, so I think there's always
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been this push for unitary executive
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power, it just tends to get pushed back
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every single time.
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>> Let me ask a different question then. If
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if if a smaller nation
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>> Mhm.
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>> was indiscriminately striking another
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nation in direct violation of law
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>> Mhm.
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>> and was applying
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this type of violent behavior, would the
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Americans, the old school American
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governments be designating that country
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a rogue state?
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>> Yes. Yes, I would think so. But I think
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it's a rogue group of people within the
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state because I what what I've been
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struck by is how um
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enduring some of it is, right? You're
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seeing push back everywhere. And I know
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it's I think one of the things that I
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think about a lot is it's very easy when
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you when you run for office, you can be
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and I don't like to use this phrase as
00:18:05
much, but a bombthrower, right? You can
00:18:06
make trouble everywhere. And when you're
00:18:09
governing, you change as a governor,
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right? To govern things. And you you
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aren't a bombthrower. So, this is a this
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is a government that just never governs.
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It bombthrows and breaks and doesn't fix
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just like I mean the White House
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ballroom is a perfect like it's it's a
00:18:26
construction pit. They just destroy. And
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I don't even know if that ballroom's
00:18:30
ever going to get made. It's a it's a
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kind of a physical manifestation of the
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mentality of just destroy. And once
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we've destroyed, we've won the we've won
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the fight already because now we have to
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the rest of us pick it up. Um, but I am
00:18:44
struck by the power of the push back
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actually at the same time.
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>> Well, there there's symbolism in
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destroying that by the way. You know,
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I'm here as a wrecker of everything.
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>> And this is the thing that the Americans
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have to answer. The American people have
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to answer for the following.
00:19:01
>> You got a system that got put in place,
00:19:03
tremendous checks and balances,
00:19:05
tremendous processes. You had statesmen
00:19:08
and women abide to the system, even
00:19:10
Richard Nixon. and the system made you
00:19:13
the most prosperous country and arguably
00:19:16
one of the most if not the most powerful
00:19:18
country in the world and you've now
00:19:20
decided that you want to wreck that
00:19:23
system and so so and and I understand it
00:19:26
because you and I grew up with these
00:19:27
people so I understand it you want to
00:19:29
wreck the system because you think the
00:19:31
system is unfair to you there's a few
00:19:33
fat cats getting super rich and you're
00:19:36
in a full-on affordability crisis for
00:19:38
yourself and you've gone from
00:19:40
economically aspirating to
00:19:41
desperational. So Trump is your avatar
00:19:44
for anger. System's not working for you.
00:19:47
Blow up the system.
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>> Yes. Yes. Yeah.
00:19:50
>> Okay. So but but that's going to re very
00:19:52
bad for people. The people that want to
00:19:54
blow up the system, it's going to really
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hurt them.
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>> Yes, it will be. I mean when I I know it
00:20:00
sounds crazy, but when I was in college,
00:20:02
two guys ran for pre the student body
00:20:04
presidency, right? And they had a whole
00:20:06
they basically had a nealistic thing
00:20:08
like we just want to party. we want to
00:20:10
spend all the money on ourselves. They
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and they won, right? They won. They they
00:20:14
they people were kind of sick of the,
00:20:16
you know, the student body president
00:20:17
types um who wanted to do good
00:20:19
government. And there is a moment where
00:20:21
I think voters do like chaos, right? But
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at some point they don't. They
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absolutely do not. And I think it does I
00:20:30
think we'll be picking up from this guy
00:20:32
for centuries. Like it's not a century,
00:20:34
for decades. Um, and I think it's not a
00:20:38
good thing, but it isn't necessarily a
00:20:40
bad thing to have to be battered, right,
00:20:43
for a second, just to see what holds and
00:20:46
what needs to be fixed. And it does
00:20:47
allow us to reflect on who we are and
00:20:50
what we want to be. I mean, it is it's
00:20:52
kind of interesting that we're in this
00:20:54
250 this quarter, you know, the the 250
00:20:58
years and it says, okay, what doesn't
00:21:00
work? What does work? What do we need to
00:21:02
think about? And it does knock everyone
00:21:04
into a sense of what matters to them.
00:21:06
And I don't think I think it's a painful
00:21:08
way to learn something, but I think it's
00:21:12
a way to learn things. I do.
00:21:14
>> All right. So, this is a big question.
00:21:16
Okay. And I and I follow you and I love
00:21:18
your podcast and I and I read your
00:21:20
writings.
00:21:21
>> So, I'm going to I'm going to I'm going
00:21:22
to stipulate something. I'm going to ask
00:21:24
a very big question.
00:21:25
>> All right. So I believe that this is a
00:21:27
very young country and we don't have the
00:21:30
cultural mores of Italy, France,
00:21:34
Germany, you pick the country. Okay? Not
00:21:36
saying it's a bad thing, but I'm just
00:21:37
trying to explain to you what happens in
00:21:39
our country is we go into the [ __ ]
00:21:42
every 80 or so years. Yep, we do.
00:21:45
>> Okay. So 1776
00:21:47
into the [ __ ] civil war. Uh we've
00:21:50
lost all the institutional memory
00:21:52
because 80 years is enough where the
00:21:53
generation dies off. And then we go 80
00:21:56
years out from the Civil War. We're in
00:21:58
the Great Depression.
00:21:59
>> We go into the [ __ ] again. We have to
00:22:01
pull ourselves out of it. And then we
00:22:03
build the postw World War II society
00:22:06
along with our allies.
00:22:08
>> And we have this moment of great peace,
00:22:10
generally great peace and prosperity.
00:22:12
But we're 80 years out again, Cara. And
00:22:14
so now we're going into the [ __ ]
00:22:16
again, which
00:22:18
>> Well, we've been in the [ __ ] but go
00:22:19
ahead.
00:22:19
>> All right. Well, we're in the [ __ ]
00:22:20
but but America has been always in these
00:22:23
moments to your point that you just made
00:22:26
>> reflective,
00:22:28
redemptive, and then it renews itself.
00:22:31
>> However, that's right.
00:22:32
>> However, there's something going on
00:22:33
right now, and this is the car Swisser
00:22:35
question.
00:22:36
>> All right.
00:22:36
>> Something going on right now. The
00:22:38
proliferation of social media,
00:22:41
>> right? and the addiction of the social
00:22:43
media which has created this tribalism
00:22:47
and created these stove pipes silos.
00:22:51
>> Is this going to prevent us
00:22:54
>> from coming out of the [ __ ] Are we
00:22:55
going to be able to have a postpartisan
00:22:57
moment?
00:22:57
>> I think they're finished these cases
00:23:00
that are starting to build up. I think
00:23:02
people are it takes you know as you know
00:23:04
cigarettes 20 years
00:23:06
>> this is Philip Morrison then
00:23:07
>> this is Philip Morris again and
00:23:09
everybody is like just a [ __ ] second
00:23:11
and I think I know it sounds crazy but I
00:23:14
have so many people now coming up to me
00:23:15
after I wrote Burnbook which at the time
00:23:17
people are like oh you're so mean to
00:23:18
them they're such important innovators
00:23:20
people come to me now and they're like
00:23:21
you weren't mean enough you weren't mean
00:23:23
enough like you weren't tough enough on
00:23:24
them and I think people are suddenly
00:23:28
taking control of themselves whether
00:23:30
it's social media I think young people
00:23:32
are I've my sons I see that's an
00:23:35
anecdotal thing but I see people pushing
00:23:37
back across the globe against the tech
00:23:39
and I think the fact that the
00:23:40
technologist put theirs in with Trump
00:23:44
was the final moment of oh they are the
00:23:47
villains like the Marvel villains and I
00:23:49
think I I really do think there's a very
00:23:52
healthy push back happening and I don't
00:23:55
think I I I feel positive for the first
00:23:58
time that people understand
00:24:00
>> very optimistic
00:24:01
I hope so. It's very optimistic. I'm
00:24:02
going to say something does not reflect.
00:24:03
>> You're going to be opposite. All right,
00:24:04
we have to move on to Christine Nome's
00:24:05
husband's boo. 30 seconds. I'm going to
00:24:08
say something very does not reflect well
00:24:10
on me or Deardra.
00:24:11
>> I let the kids have the iPad
00:24:14
>> and it was ruining their personalities
00:24:16
and I let them have it for too long.
00:24:18
>> I've taken the iPad away from them and
00:24:21
the phones and all that other stuff.
00:24:22
I've got my children back.
00:24:24
>> They have been desified by that process.
00:24:28
Okay. So, a shout out to Jonathan Hayes.
00:24:30
Is that how you say his name? Jonathan.
00:24:32
>> And a shout out to Caris Swisser for
00:24:35
putting out the surgeon general's
00:24:37
warning label before the surgeon general
00:24:40
did that these stupid products give your
00:24:43
kids brains lung cancer. I know it's a
00:24:46
mixed metaphor, but
00:24:47
>> I'll tell you one one of the themes in
00:24:48
this series I did, the car sleep is
00:24:51
about chat the danger of chat bots with
00:24:53
kids. You know, I've been talking to the
00:24:54
parents and and doing interviews with
00:24:56
them. I think the the the the most
00:24:59
dangerous thing right now is
00:25:00
relationships with AI bots and the
00:25:02
sycopantic relationships. And I'll tell
00:25:04
you that I'll do a pl a plot spoiler
00:25:07
this entire series. Guess what the
00:25:09
number one indicator of longevity is?
00:25:11
You'll know.
00:25:12
>> Money, right? Or no?
00:25:13
>> Money. Money. Of course. Yes. Don't be
00:25:15
poor. But what's the actual number one?
00:25:18
>> Genetics.
00:25:19
>> No. Not sleep. Not diet. Not exercise.
00:25:23
>> Stress.
00:25:24
>> Friends and family.
00:25:25
>> Friends and family. Ah, that makes
00:25:26
sense. That makes sense. Community, not
00:25:28
just people, you know, but walking to a
00:25:31
coffee shop and saying, "Hey, how's your
00:25:32
day going?" I do that now all the time.
00:25:34
People, you know, they look down and you
00:25:36
go, "Hey, how's your day going?" They go
00:25:38
like this.
00:25:38
>> Mhm.
00:25:39
>> Like you can see them go, "Oh, I'm
00:25:42
okay." And I go, "Are you sure? Is
00:25:43
everything good?
00:25:44
>> Let me give it."
00:25:44
>> It's It's amazing. If you talk to people
00:25:46
you don't know and you have friends and
00:25:48
family around you, you live longer,
00:25:49
you're happier, you're healthier, it's
00:25:51
less costly. It's and and it's s and
00:25:53
it's not it's not um correlation, it's
00:25:57
causation. It's abs and and the more
00:25:59
time you spend with bots and online, the
00:26:01
sicker you're going to be.
00:26:02
>> Cara, I'm I'm loving you more every
00:26:04
every day. Can I put out a public social
00:26:06
message to billionaire dickweeds? Can I
00:26:09
just have a public social message? Hey,
00:26:11
hey, hey, billionaire dickweeds, are you
00:26:14
out there? Listen to me, okay? No more
00:26:17
asymmetrical relationships, okay? If you
00:26:19
don't call me, guess what? I'm not
00:26:21
[ __ ] calling you. You're not that
00:26:23
important. Okay? You have to take a crap
00:26:25
every day. You have to go to the
00:26:26
bathroom. You're really not that
00:26:28
important. So, you know what? I want to
00:26:30
live a long time. So, I'm going to have
00:26:33
symmetrical relationships and bilateral
00:26:36
relationships with people. If you think
00:26:37
you're too [ __ ] important to call me
00:26:39
back.
00:26:40
>> Yeah.
00:26:40
>> You're never getting another call from
00:26:41
me.
00:26:42
>> Okay. All right. Let's go to the next.
00:26:44
Speaking of this,
00:26:44
>> we're going to Christine because I
00:26:46
brought props.
00:26:47
All right. All right. Never mind. Let's
00:26:48
go on a quick break. When we come back,
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>> Anthony, we're back with more news.
00:28:06
SpaceX has confidentially fi I don't
00:28:08
know confidentially everyone knows about
00:28:09
it filed for an IPO. The filing puts the
00:28:12
company in track for a June listing
00:28:13
ahead of other upcoming massive IPOs
00:28:15
from OpenAI and Anthropic. There's a lot
00:28:17
of them coming this year. Uh SpaceX will
00:28:19
reportedly seek a valuation of 1.75
00:28:22
trillion. It's not making that much
00:28:24
money. Company will reportedly allocate
00:28:26
as much as 30% of the offerings to small
00:28:27
investors. That's nice. Um uh it's
00:28:30
really I'm going to go through a whole
00:28:32
bunch of market things but that's it.
00:28:33
They I think it's $15 billion in
00:28:35
revenue. the the numbers are really
00:28:37
crazy for this. It's highly overvalued.
00:28:39
At the same time, people will probably
00:28:40
run into it. Um, a couple things. Oracle
00:28:42
stock has been fluctuating after laying
00:28:44
off thousands of employees. Microsoft
00:28:45
dropped almost a quarter of its value in
00:28:47
the first three months of the year.
00:28:49
Worst quarter. Open AAI is beginning to
00:28:50
let individual investors access the
00:28:52
stock months before its planned IPO. Um,
00:28:55
lots of companies gotten hit.
00:28:57
Palunteer's gotten hit. It's really kind
00:28:58
of an up and down thing. talk a little
00:29:00
bit about the SpaceX IPO and and where
00:29:03
the markets are from your perspective
00:29:04
and and of course if you'd like Bitcoin,
00:29:06
tell us where what's happening there
00:29:08
since you're Mr. Bitcoin.
00:29:09
>> All right. Well, I mean I mean let's
00:29:10
start with SpaceX. I mean listen the
00:29:15
cult of personality around Elon Musk is
00:29:18
such where he gets an excessive
00:29:21
exogenous premium for his companies.
00:29:24
They they are off of the scale of
00:29:28
>> even if they're suffering like Tesla.
00:29:29
>> Even if they're suffering like Tesla,
00:29:31
they get enormous metrical valuation
00:29:35
numbers. Okay, you're talking about a
00:29:37
$1.65
00:29:39
trillion
00:29:40
>> 675 trillion valuation. He's going to
00:29:44
raise apparently $75 billion. So that
00:29:47
would crush the Saudi Arampo IPO record.
00:29:52
Okay. It's two to three times larger
00:29:53
than any IPO ever. Okay. And he does
00:29:57
have a good product with Starlink. We
00:30:00
have to we have to tell people
00:30:01
>> same thing with this
00:30:03
>> is good. But we don't know the revenue
00:30:05
splits yet between Starlink,
00:30:08
>> the launching business, the defense
00:30:10
business. We don't know the breakout of
00:30:12
the profitability. Okay. Okay. And we
00:30:14
also don't know the capex burn because
00:30:16
it it would feel like the Starship stuff
00:30:18
is a blast furnace, if you will, a blast
00:30:22
furnace of uh capex. Okay. Now, having
00:30:25
said that, I want to disclose this to
00:30:26
people. I do own SpaceX. I have
00:30:29
participated in one of the private
00:30:30
rounds of SpaceX.
00:30:32
>> Why did you do that? Because you thought
00:30:34
they they were far and away the biggest
00:30:36
provider.
00:30:37
>> I I I did that because I see this
00:30:40
Starlink being worth a fortune for him.
00:30:43
And I see this idea, and I'm not saying
00:30:46
it'll happen, and this is why it's
00:30:47
venture capital in my portfolio, but I
00:30:50
see the notion that creating
00:30:53
interstellar or orbital data centers,
00:30:56
uh, where you're getting the energy from
00:30:58
the sun and not from the electricity
00:31:00
grid and you're beaming it back down to
00:31:02
Earth using satellite technology. I
00:31:05
think that's near near science fiction.
00:31:07
I think that become science fact and I
00:31:10
think he's well positioned to do it. I
00:31:12
also think that he's merged Grock into
00:31:16
this and I think Grock on its own which
00:31:19
I again full disclosure I was an
00:31:21
investor in XAI I mean I think you know
00:31:24
this Antonio Gracias and I worked
00:31:26
together at at Goldman uh obviously I
00:31:29
would have been smarter to invest
00:31:30
earlier but he's been helpful in getting
00:31:32
me access to these investments and for
00:31:34
me in my venture portfolio that side of
00:31:36
my portfolio I think this guy has done a
00:31:40
very good job of executing ing uh and
00:31:43
the valuations may be high but what I've
00:31:46
learned in life and you and I are for
00:31:48
I'm 40 years as an investor uh I missed
00:31:51
out on a few things early like Amazon
00:31:54
because I was reading Warren Buffett's
00:31:56
annual reports and the valuation for
00:31:58
Amazon was too high but ultimately the
00:32:00
guys that bought Amazon were right. I
00:32:02
missed it. Uh and it was a big miss for
00:32:04
me. you know, a $10,000 investment in
00:32:06
Amazon on the May 15th, 1997 IPO is
00:32:10
worth almost $20 million today, right?
00:32:12
And so I want to have a few things,
00:32:13
>> although it could have been touchandgo.
00:32:15
There was a point where Amazon
00:32:17
>> and we could be five years from now, if
00:32:19
you're kind enough to invite me back on,
00:32:20
we could be saying that was a big miss
00:32:22
for SpaceX. That was a big miss. But
00:32:24
again, what I would tell investors is
00:32:26
you got to have a little bit of your
00:32:28
portfolio
00:32:29
in the dream because it is America and
00:32:32
we have to believe in that dream. Now I
00:32:34
have most of my portfolio in stocks and
00:32:36
bonds and I have most of my portfolio in
00:32:39
the garden variety S&P 500 some
00:32:41
Berkshire Hathaway etc. But I do I do
00:32:43
own this stuff but
00:32:45
>> would you would you buy open AI in
00:32:48
comparatively now they're in a much more
00:32:50
competitive position now yeah with
00:32:52
Anthropic and others or or would you buy
00:32:54
anthropic? So I own both
00:32:56
>> and uh you know I had this nightmare
00:32:59
situation with Sam Bankman Freed which
00:33:00
I've well documented and talked about
00:33:02
but one of the things he did for me
00:33:04
>> he bought Anthropic
00:33:05
>> he brought anth he told me to buy
00:33:07
Anthropica and I bought Anthropic very
00:33:09
early
00:33:10
>> and let me tell you how this works in
00:33:11
life. Anthropic is up 140 to1 from where
00:33:16
I bought it in terms of its current
00:33:18
private market valuation. So anthropic
00:33:21
is a larger percentage of my net worth
00:33:25
than certain legacy assets that I have.
00:33:28
Cara and so this is another reason why I
00:33:30
always tell people you it's okay and by
00:33:32
the way you don't have time in the day
00:33:34
for all my zeros and all my stupid
00:33:37
decisions and stuff. You know I had
00:33:39
Travis Kalanick is that he said I had
00:33:41
him in my office $50 million valuation
00:33:43
for Uber. I said, "Wait a minute. An
00:33:45
unknown guy in an unknown black car is
00:33:48
going to drive my 16-year-old daughter
00:33:49
around Manhattan. Get out of my office.
00:33:52
>> Get out of Get out of here."
00:33:53
>> And I and I missed it. Right. So, I'm I
00:33:55
I I'm I can give you all my losses as
00:33:57
well,
00:33:58
>> right?
00:33:59
>> But but you got to me
00:34:01
>> I believe that you have to have some of
00:34:03
these in. So, Open AI has its
00:34:06
challenges. Obviously, he's fighting it
00:34:08
out with Elon and all the different
00:34:10
things that we could describe, but I
00:34:12
think he's got lots of market share and
00:34:14
I think he's going to grow his market
00:34:15
share and right and by the way, I think
00:34:16
Claude is going to win Anthrop is going
00:34:18
to win his case against the government,
00:34:19
Trump's going to lose that case, too,
00:34:21
>> right? So, when you look around, you're
00:34:22
like, look, take these risks and as long
00:34:24
as it's like it's not a a situation
00:34:26
where it's not a real business, right?
00:34:28
And in this case, um, Starlink is a real
00:34:31
business. The rocket business is a real
00:34:33
business. is a much smaller business
00:34:35
than ever than the valuation by far.
00:34:39
Especially when you you you zero out it
00:34:41
against a Facebook like it's it's worth
00:34:43
more than Facebook and Facebook has a
00:34:45
talk about a real real business that's
00:34:46
like a significant and ongoing business
00:34:49
and the threats Scott feels like there's
00:34:51
a real moat that they have. I never
00:34:53
think there's any moes ever especially
00:34:55
when you look at Tesla how quickly when
00:34:57
a couple years ago I was like Tesla's
00:34:58
going to get killed by China and
00:35:00
competitors and everyone's like no
00:35:02
Tesla's the winner. I'm like, there's no
00:35:04
way they're keeping a 70% market share.
00:35:06
It's not happening. And of course, it's
00:35:08
gone down and down and he lost interest
00:35:09
in it. And instead of putting out really
00:35:12
innovative cars, he put out the Cybert
00:35:14
truck, right? And so you once I saw the
00:35:16
Cybertruck, I'm like that this thing is
00:35:18
watch out below. But his particular, as
00:35:22
you said, uh you know, he has a lot of
00:35:25
misses, but he has a lot of wins. And so
00:35:27
you kind of have to go with him in that
00:35:28
regard in this particular thing. What
00:35:30
will you be looking for specifically in
00:35:33
>> just one thing because this is something
00:35:35
we have to accept and that's called
00:35:37
memeification.
00:35:39
>> And so we have to accept that there's a
00:35:42
prolific number of bewarming retail
00:35:46
investors, Wall Street bet like
00:35:49
investors
00:35:51
that are with Elon and that there's a
00:35:53
personality cult around Elon that is
00:35:57
affecting valuation. And by the way,
00:36:00
they are way sturdier than any of my
00:36:03
shortselling buddies
00:36:06
>> thought. And they've knocked out a lot
00:36:09
of my short selling buddies.
00:36:11
>> So I would just tell people, listen, I'm
00:36:13
a I'm a market realist, okay? I'm not a
00:36:16
market purist,
00:36:18
>> okay? I Yes, I've read Buffett and
00:36:19
Buffett is the papay uh edict giver of
00:36:24
value. You know, we're gonna get to
00:36:25
Bitcoin, but Buffett thinks Bitcoin's
00:36:26
rat poison or rat poison squared and all
00:36:29
this other stuff. But the the point I'm
00:36:31
making is that I'm a market realist, not
00:36:34
a market idealist. And this man, Elon
00:36:37
Musk, has a memeification
00:36:40
in bed in him. It may not last forever,
00:36:43
but there's a memeification in bed in
00:36:45
there. And that I am not too proud or
00:36:50
too idealist to take advantage of it.
00:36:52
Okay, that's all. You know, it was
00:36:53
interesting. I one time I called
00:36:55
Berkshire H because he had never made an
00:36:57
internet investment. This was a decade
00:36:58
ago or more, more than that. It was more
00:37:00
than that. And I called up to ask him. I
00:37:02
wanted I was doing a was the Wall Street
00:37:04
Journal, so it was a long time ago. And
00:37:06
I I called up and I said, "I'd like, you
00:37:07
know, I thought I was going to get a PR
00:37:09
person." And the phone rings through and
00:37:11
it's him. And I was like, "Oh, hi, hi
00:37:14
there, Warren Buffett." And he's like,
00:37:16
"I just don't believe in this internet
00:37:17
thing." And I was like, "I think you're
00:37:18
wrong. I can't believe I'm giving you
00:37:20
advice, sir." Um but he was very much
00:37:22
against internet investments and he he
00:37:24
admitted he was wrong about it much
00:37:26
later like that he was wrong about all
00:37:27
of them and there is some value in
00:37:30
understanding it's going to take a while
00:37:31
for people to catch up to Musk in this
00:37:34
area but as I always say they will catch
00:37:36
up because it's a great market right as
00:37:38
you say if we have these data centers in
00:37:40
space if you think he's going to be the
00:37:42
only one running the show you're
00:37:44
absolutely wrong people will r greedy
00:37:46
people will rush into the business
00:37:48
whether it's Amazon with Kyper or
00:37:51
whatever. Um, it's it's going to be a
00:37:53
lot of people, but it'll take his
00:37:55
attention, which he it fell away from
00:37:59
because I think he he got redpilled in
00:38:01
many ways. Um, it'll if if his attention
00:38:05
waines, it's in trouble. If it doesn't,
00:38:08
it's hard to compete with him and his
00:38:10
meme vacation, as you talk about. I
00:38:12
think you're right.
00:38:13
>> Portfolio approach. I own a lot of them
00:38:15
and and some of them will work, some of
00:38:17
them won't. But my lesson from 30 years
00:38:20
ago is I wasn't bold enough. And and and
00:38:23
again I'm talking about 5% 7% of the
00:38:26
capital,
00:38:26
>> but not the whole thing.
00:38:27
>> Yeah, that's all
00:38:28
>> right. What very briefly, Bitcoin? We
00:38:30
got to get to their stories.
00:38:32
>> Uh after Bitcoin is in a significant
00:38:34
bare market. Uh Bitcoin uh Bitcoin got
00:38:38
hurt by Trump. Uh, I know the Trump
00:38:40
lovers and the Trump crypto lovers don't
00:38:42
like me saying this, but I said when
00:38:44
those meme coins came out, Trump and
00:38:46
Melania memecoins, he's going to crush
00:38:49
us. He's going to hurt us because he
00:38:50
hurts everything that he touches. And so
00:38:52
what ended up happening is the
00:38:54
regulation that should have been passed
00:38:56
uh didn't get passed because of the
00:38:58
hatred of Trump. And so so a result of
00:39:01
which we're in a typical Bitcoin bare
00:39:03
market. So it's 66,000 almost
00:39:06
>> 66,000 but it's been pretty sturdy
00:39:08
during the Iranian war.
00:39:10
>> And I I would
00:39:11
>> but it hasn't rushed upwards which one
00:39:12
would
00:39:13
>> but I would say to Bitcoin enthusiasts
00:39:15
this is a typical four-year cycle having
00:39:18
cycle situation this point in the cycle
00:39:21
Bitcoin loses roughly half of its value.
00:39:23
It did. I'll make a prediction on your
00:39:26
show. I've been humbled by markets
00:39:28
probably could be wrong. I think the
00:39:30
$60,000 bottom is in for Bitcoin and I
00:39:33
think that Bitcoin starts to rally in
00:39:35
the fourth quarter, which would be
00:39:38
consistent with the 4-year cycle of
00:39:41
Bitcoin. So, even though you've got more
00:39:44
buyers in Bitcoin, you were offset by
00:39:47
whale selling in the last 12 months. And
00:39:50
guess what? You got the typical
00:39:53
four-year cycle of Bitcoin. And since
00:39:55
I'm a long-term holder, I'm okay with
00:39:58
that. I mean, you're right. Trump came
00:40:00
in and made a mess of it by by all the
00:40:02
shitcoins, all the all the scams, and so
00:40:04
it it linked to Bitcoin quite
00:40:07
>> and he sucked so much money, political
00:40:09
donations into his coffers from guys
00:40:12
that thought Trump was going to help
00:40:13
him. He doesn't help people.
00:40:14
>> He doesn't help people.
00:40:15
>> He doesn't like people because they
00:40:16
don't like the trough. We are in the
00:40:18
trough of Bitcoin. All right, I'm going
00:40:20
to keep that prediction. We'll find out.
00:40:21
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00:40:22
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00:40:25
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00:41:11
Anthony, we're back and Scott is going
00:41:12
to be very sad he's missing this one.
00:41:15
Christine Gnome is quote devastated and
00:41:18
blindsided by the allegations that her
00:41:20
husband is it Brian's activities in
00:41:22
online fetish communities. Earlier this
00:41:24
week, the Daily Mail published an
00:41:25
investigation into Gnome's husband,
00:41:27
which included a photo of him wearing
00:41:29
pink hot pants and fake breasts with
00:41:30
nipples. Uh, the story also alleges he
00:41:33
spent at least $25,000 communicating
00:41:35
with WIMO of women in the bimboication
00:41:37
scene. I didn't know about this, but
00:41:39
fascinating, which fetishes people with
00:41:41
surgical enhancements. Republicans are
00:41:43
party family values. These this couple
00:41:46
was particularly performative. I I don't
00:41:49
know what to say here. I I just don't
00:41:51
know.
00:41:51
>> I'm in hot water with my mother-in-law
00:41:53
because last night when I came home, I
00:41:54
said, "Ma, were you in one of those chat
00:41:56
rooms?" She got pissed. Oh, no. Was bad,
00:41:58
right? But look at me because I know
00:42:00
Scott Galloway isn't here.
00:42:01
>> I got a picture.
00:42:02
>> But I brought pops. See? Pops. See?
00:42:05
>> What is that? Is that them?
00:42:06
>> Those are boobies. They're actually
00:42:08
dodge balls that my kids play with. But
00:42:10
you could put the boobies on. Do you
00:42:11
want me to send you them?
00:42:12
>> No, I don't.
00:42:12
>> Do you want to wear these later or
00:42:14
>> No, I do not. Do not dare. Don't you
00:42:15
dare put them on.
00:42:16
>> Okay. I'm not putting them on because I
00:42:18
don't want to make fun of somebody. But
00:42:19
I just say I did bring
00:42:20
>> Let me say let me say what I think. I
00:42:22
feel sad for this guy because I think he
00:42:24
has um I I um Listen, I'm from San
00:42:27
Francisco. If you want to marry a goat,
00:42:29
I'm pretty okay with it. Not great with
00:42:31
it, but that's okay.
00:42:32
>> I'm okay with it.
00:42:33
>> Yeah. Uh I think it's it's he obviously
00:42:36
has an interest and I don't I find
00:42:37
fetishes somewhat interesting and I
00:42:39
think you should express yourself and
00:42:40
it's not hurting anybody, right? Is it
00:42:42
really hurting anybody that he likes
00:42:43
this? No. He seems he see my part is he
00:42:46
seems very sad about liking it, right?
00:42:49
And that you know some of these actually
00:42:51
some of the women he was he hired are
00:42:53
actually quite wise. I have to say some
00:42:56
of these sex workers are like well he
00:42:57
really liked it and he seemed sad and I
00:42:59
was trying to make him have fun because
00:43:01
he seemed stressed and they're the most
00:43:03
reasonable people in this entire affair.
00:43:05
Um so I felt bad for him that he had
00:43:07
this furt of life and he couldn't
00:43:09
express himself. That's one. I also
00:43:12
think he's in huge hypocrite in that all
00:43:14
this performative religious stuff when
00:43:16
he's has a life that's more interesting
00:43:19
and more unusual and he should have that
00:43:21
life without feeling shamed shame
00:43:24
himself in her case. I do think uh she
00:43:27
did know about it. I suspect she did. I
00:43:29
don't think it's any excuse for her
00:43:30
behavior with uh Cory Luwendowski. I
00:43:33
don't I think I part of I put this stuff
00:43:36
up saying I felt sad for this guy and
00:43:38
everyone's like don't you know that Cory
00:43:39
Luwendowski leaked this to get the focus
00:43:42
off of them and their and what we should
00:43:44
be focusing on not this poor guy which
00:43:47
is sad but uh for him I wish he enjoyed
00:43:50
himself more as I said um but on their
00:43:53
on their grift right their enormous
00:43:55
grift and what happened there and the
00:43:57
investigations into the two of them and
00:43:59
their behaviors in there and by
00:44:01
extension Donald Trump should continue
00:44:03
and focus in on those two.
00:44:06
>> We've normalized corruption, which is
00:44:08
hopefully we'll have to come back from
00:44:10
that as well. But we will.
00:44:11
>> Here's here's three quick things I would
00:44:12
say. Number one, you're coming down from
00:44:15
heaven and you're on the assembly line
00:44:17
and there are some fetishes like feet
00:44:19
fetishes or eyelash fetish. I don't know
00:44:21
what the fetishes are, but then the
00:44:23
supervisor stops the assembly line and
00:44:25
brings out the inflatable boobies and
00:44:27
said, "Hey, we're sending you to Earth
00:44:29
with these." Okay. I mean, that was a
00:44:31
rough one. Okay. So, I feel bad for the
00:44:32
guy because I think you're born with
00:44:34
that maybe. Number two,
00:44:36
>> okay, MAGA men
00:44:38
>> are repressing a lot of stuff and you
00:44:40
know that my buddy Don Lemon tells me
00:44:43
that the Grinder stuff lights up at all
00:44:45
these Christian conservative things.
00:44:48
Okay, we spot Lindsey
00:44:50
>> Graham with the magic wand down in Walt
00:44:52
Disney World.
00:44:53
>> Yes. Just so people don't know, he was
00:44:55
at Disney World with a little mermaid
00:44:56
bubble wand in one photo and waiting in
00:44:58
line for Space Mountain in another. He
00:45:00
said he was meeting with Trump and Steve
00:45:02
Whitoff and then went to Orlando to meet
00:45:04
friends just for a quick You never go
00:45:05
quickly to Disneyland. Um
00:45:08
>> look look look the the problem is the
00:45:10
repression is the problem, right? Like
00:45:12
so to me
00:45:13
>> I'm going to tell you that MAGA men are
00:45:17
repressing a lot of stuff and then
00:45:20
they're taking it out on the rest of us,
00:45:21
right? Like if you read The Velvet Rage
00:45:24
by Allen DS,
00:45:26
>> okay guys, relax. Whatever it is,
00:45:29
whatever your orientation is,
00:45:31
>> let it go. Nobody cares. Okay, we're in
00:45:33
a totally different environment.
00:45:34
>> The fine words of Frozen. Let it go.
00:45:36
>> I I Yeah, exactly. I think these guys
00:45:38
are
00:45:39
>> can't hold it back anymore.
00:45:40
>> You know, you know this, Cara. Born in
00:45:43
the
00:45:43
>> I let it go a long time.
00:45:45
>> Born in the 40s and 50s
00:45:47
>> and with all of that repression. Okay.
00:45:50
And who the hell knows what Donald
00:45:52
Trump's father did to him as a kid? The
00:45:55
guy's a repressed sad guy, okay? He's
00:45:58
decorating the Oval Office like
00:46:00
Liberace. He wants the ballroom. He took
00:46:03
over the Kennedy Performing Arts Center.
00:46:06
He wants to take his pain out on us.
00:46:09
Calm down. Let it all go. Okay? And I
00:46:13
feel bad for this guy, but I'm telling
00:46:16
you, this type of repression, for some
00:46:19
reason, has found its way into our
00:46:21
politics. And then the last point, cuz I
00:46:24
had three last.
00:46:25
>> That's a serious point.
00:46:26
>> The last point. Look at me. Look at me.
00:46:28
>> I thought you were just going to make
00:46:29
booby jokes, but go ahead.
00:46:30
>> Last point. Look at me. Look at me.
00:46:31
>> Look at me, too.
00:46:33
>> I'm a normal [ __ ] guy. I can't
00:46:35
believe I thought I was a Ludy tune. I'm
00:46:37
in the bell curve of normal male
00:46:41
>> nuttiness.
00:46:42
>> I know. But let me ask you,
00:46:43
>> crazy. I I thought I was nuts until I
00:46:45
met these [ __ ] people.
00:46:46
>> No, you're totally boring compared to
00:46:48
most of these people. I'm living.
00:46:50
>> What does it do to What does it do to
00:46:52
She has no political prospects now,
00:46:54
correct? Or will she go the I didn't
00:46:56
know I'm a
00:46:57
>> victim. They took They took the couple
00:46:59
hundred million off the ad thing. So,
00:47:01
what did they do? They put the $200
00:47:02
million into the ad thing. They hired a
00:47:05
consultant. The consultant skimmed like
00:47:07
they do with these political action
00:47:09
committees. Let me let me tell people
00:47:10
from Pivot, guys, never put any money in
00:47:14
a political action committee because
00:47:16
what they do is the cronies at the top,
00:47:20
they skim all the money and they charge
00:47:22
a 15, 20, 30% advertising consulting fee
00:47:27
and they're laughing at you. They're
00:47:29
laughing at you. Okay. So, what Gnome
00:47:31
and Corey did was took the money, okay,
00:47:34
and they diverted it and they're going
00:47:36
to go live somewhere. God bless them.
00:47:37
They got some money. Okay.
00:47:38
>> Mhm. I don't want to make the money like
00:47:40
that.
00:47:40
>> Well, they they'll they'll be they will
00:47:42
have a problem. They'll have legal
00:47:44
problems forever. I would assume that
00:47:46
she has no presidential prospects.
00:47:48
Correct. Cuz I know that was
00:47:50
>> No, she's got she's got no presidential
00:47:52
prospects, but she's also
00:47:55
>> Come on. You these are the people that
00:47:57
we want running the country. Come on.
00:47:59
>> No.
00:48:00
>> Okay. I mean, you're shooting at You're
00:48:02
shooting at people. You're kidnapping
00:48:03
kids with ICE and you're proud of it and
00:48:06
you're riding around on your horse. You
00:48:08
know, I did see one great meme though.
00:48:10
You mind if I share it? You know, we had
00:48:11
the [ __ ] marry, kill.
00:48:13
>> So, we had to marry the guy with the big
00:48:14
boobies. We're [ __ ] Cy and we're
00:48:17
killing the dog. I thought that was
00:48:18
really funny. Okay. All right. But
00:48:20
anyway, sorry.
00:48:21
>> That's a good one. That's good. Uh, it's
00:48:24
interesting though. It's It's really
00:48:26
interesting. Someone a company that I
00:48:28
didn't think was going to do it. I'm
00:48:29
friends with Harvey Leven from TMZ, but
00:48:31
he's been publishing photos after asking
00:48:33
people to submit pictures of lawmakers
00:48:35
on vacation during the DHS shutdown. And
00:48:37
I'll note, it's a bipartisan shaming
00:48:39
targeting Democrats and Republicans
00:48:41
alike. It's part of a larger push by
00:48:42
TMZ, which has amped up its political
00:48:44
coverage, showing what it calls the
00:48:46
intersection of politics and pop
00:48:47
culture. I kind of like that they're
00:48:49
doing this so you can let us see you
00:48:51
what you're doing versus how you're
00:48:54
talking, right?
00:48:55
>> You're exposing the hypocrisy, you know.
00:48:56
>> Yeah. Exactly. And and here's the thing
00:48:58
I would tell you. You know, they they
00:48:59
had thun last week bypassing the entire
00:49:02
TSA at the uh Reagan airport. I think he
00:49:06
was in or maybe Dallasos. And guy,
00:49:08
you're a hip hop. You know, you're
00:49:10
hypocrite. You know, fix fix the
00:49:12
country. You know, there's a 14%
00:49:14
approval rating for the Congress. It's
00:49:17
just slightly above Kim El Jung. Okay.
00:49:19
But you know what? 95% of these guys get
00:49:22
reelected because of gerrymandering and
00:49:25
Citizens United. They pick the voters.
00:49:28
That's the only thing they're able to
00:49:30
do. Are we in a real democracy, Carara?
00:49:32
Where the politicians pick the voters? I
00:49:34
thought the voters were supposed to pick
00:49:35
the politicians. And they get unlimited
00:49:38
money from the corporates. And so they
00:49:40
can stay in power. It would be like you
00:49:42
and I opening up a restaurant. Our food
00:49:44
sucks. We got onestar Yelp ratings, but
00:49:48
we can't ever get fired.
00:49:49
>> Right.
00:49:50
>> Okay. It's it's it's appalling.
00:49:52
>> Yeah, it is. And they I think they're
00:49:54
paying the price for it, though. I love
00:49:55
that these pictures are there. I think
00:49:57
people should do more of this exposure.
00:49:59
Like, here's how they live. Here's how
00:50:01
they behave. I did like when Delta said,
00:50:03
"We're not going to let them jump the
00:50:05
line if they're on Delta, you know,
00:50:07
we're not going to let them have special
00:50:09
things." And now I think things are
00:50:10
calming down at airports. Apparently,
00:50:12
TSA's sort of started to organize it a
00:50:14
little better, but it's still the fact
00:50:16
that they can't pass a basic funding
00:50:17
bill um is really quite something, you
00:50:20
know, without making everything
00:50:22
partisan. All right, one more quick
00:50:24
break. will be back for predictions.
00:50:26
Okay, Anthony, let's hear a prediction.
00:50:28
>> All right, so listen, you know, listen,
00:50:29
first of all, happy Easter and happy
00:50:31
Passover to you and your family.
00:50:33
>> And I'm gonna I'm gonna make three
00:50:35
predictions. Uh so the first prediction,
00:50:38
Pam Bondi is long gone.
00:50:40
>> Okay, Zeldon will replace her. Uh they
00:50:43
have gutted the Department of Justice
00:50:45
and it's become the Trump family law
00:50:47
firm.
00:50:48
>> And so that's actually good for these
00:50:50
Supreme Court decisions because they got
00:50:51
nobody there to argue these stupid
00:50:52
cases. but just very bad for the
00:50:55
country. Number two, and I think this is
00:50:58
also uh one that I don't like, is that
00:51:00
we're going to have ground troops in
00:51:03
Iran. And again, the bomb the people
00:51:05
back to the stone age was to degrade
00:51:07
them in such a way where we can put the
00:51:09
ground troops in. And then my last
00:51:12
prediction is that the Chinese are going
00:51:15
to be involved in a resolution of this.
00:51:17
And so what Trump is going to do, and
00:51:19
this is the reason why he delayed the
00:51:21
meeting with Shei. He's going to get the
00:51:23
people at the Car Island. He's going to
00:51:24
get them in the straight. He's going to
00:51:26
shut off the oil. He's going to pick up
00:51:28
the phone and call Shei and say,
00:51:29
"Listen, you're getting 40 50% of your
00:51:32
oil out of here. And this is a satellite
00:51:34
state of yours. You got to secularize
00:51:37
that state, and you got to let me and
00:51:39
the UN or whoever go in there and take
00:51:41
the uranium out of there. And when we're
00:51:44
doing that, when we're done doing that,
00:51:46
I'm going to open the oil spot again and
00:51:48
you can have the oil. I understand that
00:51:50
you got to run your economy and I want
00:51:52
to be a cooperative economic competitor
00:51:55
of yours and I do need those rare earth
00:51:57
minerals. But that third prediction
00:52:00
>> is is where we're going on the chess
00:52:03
board
00:52:04
>> because there are some smart people in
00:52:05
the Pentagon and now that they're in
00:52:07
this thing,
00:52:08
>> that why not take advantage?
00:52:10
>> That's what that's where they're going.
00:52:11
So those are my three predictions.
00:52:12
>> Might as well. But that could cause a
00:52:13
lot of deaths, American deaths, which
00:52:15
could be
00:52:16
>> unintended consequences. But they don't
00:52:18
care. You know, he doesn't care. You're
00:52:20
an object in Trump's field of vision.
00:52:21
You're not a person. So, he doesn't
00:52:23
care.
00:52:24
>> We might as well take advantage of this
00:52:26
the situation. Let me ask you, what do
00:52:28
you think of Lee Zelden?
00:52:29
>> Well, Lee, I know a long time. You know,
00:52:31
Lee Lee was district one out here on
00:52:33
Long Island.
00:52:36
>> Yeah, he was the House of
00:52:37
Representatives guy out here. He's a
00:52:39
conservative guy. He ran for governor
00:52:41
here. Uh Lee is
00:52:44
>> formerly reasonable as I recall but then
00:52:47
became crazy.
00:52:48
>> That's where I was going. So Lee is in
00:52:50
that group of people that went into the
00:52:52
MAGA chamber and came out with the red
00:52:54
hat and the long tie and the cuckoo
00:52:57
laala. But he was not that way. But now
00:53:00
he is. And so we'll have to see. Yeah.
00:53:02
We'll have to see how many piouettes
00:53:04
he's willing to do for Donald Trump to
00:53:07
destroy his reputation, too. Because
00:53:09
that's what you do. You go in. I want
00:53:11
the power. I want the significance.
00:53:13
Trump moves the goalposts on you. Hey,
00:53:17
Carara,
00:53:19
prices are going down. No forever wars.
00:53:22
We're ending our involvement in the
00:53:24
Middle East. Okay. Okay. Well, now are
00:53:27
you guys loyal to me? Yes, you're loyal
00:53:28
to me. Now, we're going to do the
00:53:29
opposite of that. We're moving the
00:53:31
goalpost. You got to stay loyal to me.
00:53:33
And so that's Lee Zeldon is the type of
00:53:36
kid he's going to look back on this
00:53:38
because I know how he grew up, you know,
00:53:41
uh, and you know, he's out here on Long
00:53:42
Island with me. He's going to look back
00:53:43
on this and say, "Wow, I really screwed
00:53:45
this up. I shouldn't have done the
00:53:46
things that I'm doing."
00:53:47
>> So, is there a lack of There are a lot
00:53:49
of Republicans. I just interviewed Tom
00:53:51
Tillis. He's sort of run out of fog.
00:53:53
There's a lot of people that to me, even
00:53:56
Marjorie Taylor Green. Do you see a push
00:53:58
back anywhere? And and what are the
00:54:00
implications of that? Are you seeing and
00:54:02
I'm not talking about like the goan no
00:54:05
thoon goes down as a scarecrow. You know
00:54:07
it goes down as one of the worst of the
00:54:08
worst. You know like when we have you
00:54:11
and I will be dead or maybe because of
00:54:12
the red light therapy on your new show
00:54:14
you and I will be alive but it'll be 50
00:54:16
years from now
00:54:18
>> and the people going to look back and
00:54:19
say what the hell happened
00:54:21
>> and John Thun is the poster boy for
00:54:25
cowardice. Okay. Because he could have
00:54:27
called Schumer and he could have said
00:54:29
hey we're shutting this down. Okay, we
00:54:31
are article one of the constitution for
00:54:33
a reason and we're shutting this down.
00:54:35
You and I are going to the White House
00:54:36
today and we're going to tell this
00:54:38
[ __ ] that he's the most unamerican
00:54:40
president that's ever lived and we're
00:54:42
going to go in a different direction or
00:54:45
we're going to blow him out of the seat.
00:54:46
But he didn't do that because he's got
00:54:48
no kones and he wants personal power
00:54:52
over the serving of the public and he
00:54:54
wants to bypass the security line.
00:54:57
Okay. And guy, you used to be a good
00:54:59
guy. I knew you a long time when I was
00:55:01
on the Romney campaign. You were a good
00:55:03
guy, but you are now a loser.
00:55:05
>> So, what happens? Very brief. What
00:55:06
happens to these? Because something's
00:55:08
going to happen after November.
00:55:09
>> They've lost in Palm Beach. They've lost
00:55:11
in Kansas. They've lost They're losing
00:55:14
They'll lose the midterms on the House.
00:55:17
They won't lose the Senate.
00:55:19
>> Trump Trump will go maybe they'll lose
00:55:21
the Senate, but they won't lose it
00:55:22
enough for Trump to get impeached
00:55:23
because they need twothirds vote.
00:55:26
>> Trump will strongarm everybody. The last
00:55:28
two years will be about grifting and
00:55:30
making money and market manipulation
00:55:32
because they've telling people they want
00:55:33
to be the richest family after they
00:55:35
leave. And on the 19th of January, he
00:55:39
will pardon himself and his family
00:55:41
members and the people that are close to
00:55:44
him. And he'll drop that in the lap of
00:55:46
the Supreme Court and the Congress is
00:55:48
whether or not a president can pardon
00:55:49
themselves. and he will leave an unbuilt
00:55:53
ballroom and a complete catastrophic
00:55:55
[ __ ] storm for whoever the cleanup crew
00:55:58
is going to be. And uh and by the way,
00:56:01
as people have said, in a democracy, you
00:56:04
sometimes get the people that you
00:56:06
deserve. And we'll have to look at
00:56:08
ourselves and say, how did we let that
00:56:10
happen? And this is the point of the
00:56:11
book that I'm writing which you've been
00:56:13
nice enough to read for me is that we
00:56:15
let this happen through bad
00:56:18
decisionmaking but we left out the
00:56:20
people Carara that you and I grew up
00:56:23
with who once felt unbelievable about
00:56:26
the American dream and unbelievable
00:56:28
about the my father was making money by
00:56:30
the hour. He was a union guy but he was
00:56:34
like you know what my kids are going to
00:56:35
live the American dream. Let's get to
00:56:37
work. Now those people are like, "Hey
00:56:39
man, I can't get a job." And by the way,
00:56:42
my kids are not going to get a job. [ __ ]
00:56:44
you people. Burn it down. And we've got
00:56:47
to go. You talk about burn book. How
00:56:48
about burn the whole thing? Burn the
00:56:50
social contract.
00:56:51
>> So it's burnt. So now
00:56:53
>> So now we got to get some people in
00:56:55
there that are postpartisan
00:56:57
transformational leaders that going to
00:56:59
want to restate a vision for the
00:57:01
country. Like I said, we go through this
00:57:03
every 83 years. We're in our 250th year
00:57:06
anniversary. Here are the things that we
00:57:08
need to do to redeem ourselves. We have
00:57:11
to clean up these certain things that
00:57:12
have happened. We have to take big
00:57:14
business, big pharma, big zillionaires
00:57:17
out of the political equation. We
00:57:19
created a separate but equal democracy
00:57:22
with Citizens United. That's the pie
00:57:24
versus Ferguson case of our democracy.
00:57:27
Brown Board of Education overturned
00:57:29
that. We're 16 years out from Citizens
00:57:32
United. We have to overturn it and we
00:57:34
got to put these rich people back in a
00:57:36
box where they belong where one vote
00:57:38
equals one vote.
00:57:39
>> I'm gonna ask one final question. Who
00:57:41
are pick two people who would be someone
00:57:44
on each side? Two people you are like
00:57:46
those people could do that right now. Or
00:57:49
don't they? We don't know.
00:57:51
>> No, I mean listen you know you know here
00:57:53
here's the thing, okay? Like your
00:57:55
roommate Scott
00:57:57
>> Galloway,
00:57:58
>> okay? He's the type of guy that could
00:58:01
actually pull it off. Honestly, I think
00:58:02
he could pull it Cuban. Why you laugh?
00:58:05
You don't think he could pull it? I
00:58:05
think he could actually.
00:58:06
>> Not Scott, but Cuban. Yes.
00:58:07
>> Okay. Okay. All right. Cuban. I mean,
00:58:09
somebody like that could probably pull
00:58:11
it off.
00:58:12
>> But then they have to do something that
00:58:15
is ridiculously Lincolnesque in terms of
00:58:19
its heroism.
00:58:21
>> You got to piss every single person off
00:58:24
in power to reframe the argument. Okay.
00:58:28
Teddy Roosevelt got the Robert Barons in
00:58:30
place and said, "Hey, MFS, we're going
00:58:33
to break up your trusts. We're going to
00:58:35
knock out your monopolies. I got it.
00:58:37
These poor people, the tenementss are
00:58:39
coming down on them and they're going to
00:58:41
come after you with a pitchfork and a
00:58:43
torch. You want them to set fire to your
00:58:45
mansion? Knock it off.
00:58:47
>> Knock it off." So, it requires somebody
00:58:51
that doesn't care about the power
00:58:54
structure. And that's why I can't name
00:58:57
somebody because everybody that's in the
00:59:00
power
00:59:01
>> cares about the power structure. I don't
00:59:02
give a [ __ ] about the power.
00:59:04
>> It has to be you and me. It has to be
00:59:06
you and me. That's what's going to
00:59:07
happen.
00:59:07
>> You can have the top job by the way.
00:59:08
Okay. We'll give you the top job.
00:59:09
>> I don't want the top job.
00:59:11
>> I would be so bad. I would You'll be the
00:59:13
red light therapy president. Okay.
00:59:15
You'll be
00:59:15
>> No way. Those things longevity
00:59:17
president.
00:59:18
>> Don't work. Don't work. But sauna
00:59:20
president. The sauna.
00:59:21
>> Sauna. I'm just being a sauna naked.
00:59:22
I'll do from there. Anyway, Anthony, as
00:59:25
always, fantastic. Uh, and
00:59:28
>> I love being on with you. Thank you for
00:59:29
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00:59:31
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00:59:32
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