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okay we're here with Senator Bennett
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from Colorado who is Scott's favorite
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Senator apparently is he your favorite
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is he that's right so you need to start
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so full disclosure I was Allin on
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Senator Bennett's presidential campaign
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actually hosted a fundraiser not very
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well noticed event in the history of
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American not true huge influence well
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thank you for having me anyway and thank
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you for paying attention to that
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campaign my mom uh when I told her I was
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running said to me Michael do we really
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need a seventh candidate in this race
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yeah something she's never said to Cory
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or anybody else it was pretty rough W
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let's kick it off there so you you've
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you've run a presidential campaign what
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do you think is working about the Harris
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campaign if you identified one or two
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key things that seem to be resonating
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what's what are those things I think the
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most important thing is that the
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American people are so ready to turn the
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page on a a generation of American
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politicians frankly on both sides and
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she's been able to Capital I on that
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she's been able to capture that
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lightning in a bottle and um and that's
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so I'd say that one thing two it was an
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amazing moment to the for many reasons
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the moment that Joe Biden decided to
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Advocate the the the race something no
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politician would ever do but that day
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giving up power giving up power ultimate
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power and ultimate power and actually
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when his guys came over to the
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Democratic caucus to have a conversation
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about what should happen I said said
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among other things we're asking you to
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have a conversation with Joe Biden that
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nobody has ever had with the president
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we're asking Joe Biden to make a
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decision that no other president has
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ever made that in of itself was
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extraordinary but then to see on that
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day just this organic upwelling of
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support in the Democratic party for the
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vice president for a variety of reasons
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I think people thought you know we've
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taken long enough we don't have a lot of
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time we got to figure out who the right
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person is and just go with it um that's
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another thing I think she's done very
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very well is be there and and and and
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and taking on the the top of this T
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ticket with an elegance and with a Grace
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that has served her and the Democratic
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party extremely so you had had been
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somewhat outspoken you kind of hedged
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your your what you were saying you
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didn't Nancy Pelosi it you didn't full
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Nancy Pelosi it I got more credit for
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what I said from Scott that I did for
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you yes you did because you were you
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were you were being verying
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oh yeah you minced there there's a lot
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of mincing happening so talk about why
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you did it that way because you
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essentially encouraged him to leave and
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nany was more explicit where she's like
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we want him to make a decision and it
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essentially was just not that decision
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he's made well I think I I appreciate
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the position that she took look I was
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the first you got a lot of flack but
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yeah and I and I and I did say that I
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thought was the first CER to say that I
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thought we were going to lose in a
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landslide right and that we had a moral
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choice as Democrats and frankly As
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Americans to take seriously that that
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problem not not a contingency but the
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reality that we were at risk of losing
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the presidency the Senate and the house
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obviously it was up to Joe Biden to make
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the decision that he did it wasn't up to
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me to make that decision in any way any
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way for him or in my view to advise him
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about it but when I was asked what I had
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said privately in our Caucus meeting I
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on national TV
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I that's what I said and that's what I
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believed and now I think we have the
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chance to win the presidency win the
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Senate and win the house so when you
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think about how it happened the
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obviously Donald Trump's been thrown off
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by this by not just Joe Biden who he
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keeps talking about running and using
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words like coup and things like that
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that's funny yeah um but but also having
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a trouble getting her his I shouldn't
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say hands around her because he is a
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sexual harasser so getting um you know
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figuring out how to deal with her he she
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can't he doesn't seem to be able to
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Define her or respond to her in anything
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that's not offensive I mean he's made
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his whole political career for such as
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it is by threatening to drag us back
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deep into the past that he is a he is a
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reactionary force in American politics
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and I think he cannot confront uh the a
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politics that's oriented toward the
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future both in in who KLA Harris is but
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also in the policies that she's pursuing
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and now in one second he finds himself
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being the lone octogenarian in this race
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and that's not sitting very well for him
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I think uh among the he feels like the
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incumbent and even though she is the in
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does he definitely
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does what message do you think that over
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the next two nights if you were advising
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the Harris campaign what message do you
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think they need to get out to voters I
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think that um that we need to express
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the unity in the Democratic party and
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the excitement in the Democratic party
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that's on clear display I've been to a
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number of these events and it's rare to
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see this uh and so I think that's very
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exciting and I think it's really
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important for us to express that this is
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about America not about the Democratic
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party that we want people to be involved
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in this unifying vision for what the
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future looks like that we can put this
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politics of Division behind us and that
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we can put a freaking stake in it and
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put it behind us and then we can move
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off into the future not because we have
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a monopoly on wisdom but because you
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know we are we are convinced that we can
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build a better future for our kids and
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for our grandkids I think if she's
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focused on the future oriented to toward
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the future um that's what the American
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people desperately want to see out of
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this desper want more details because
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it's such a short which we think is a
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good thing the short campaign is not I
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don't think she they want more details I
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think they want to understand her values
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I think they want to understand values
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versus polic values versus policy
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absolutely and you're right this is a
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blessing for America I mean it we we
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have
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2-year presidential and Senate campaigns
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that serve no purpose at all there are
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countries around the world where they
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get their elections done in 45 or 60
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days I think we're going to see the
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virtue of that in this election Scot so
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let's talk a little bit just about
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foreign policy because that we have so
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far it's been pretty so far the
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messaging has been really strong and
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aspirational but it's been a bit short
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on details what are your views on what
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do you think the campaign there's been
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some question about um uh vice president
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Harris's support or lack thereof of
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Israel what do you think the complexion
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should be around the Middle East uh for
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the Harris walls campaign I think in
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terms of the Middle East the complexion
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should be around you know how do we get
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to a day after where there's a chance
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for a two-state solution how do we get
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focused on that and get past the the the
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the horrendous period of America of of
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of world history hist that we're in
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today so that's where I think she needs
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to be there I'd say more broadly on
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foreign policy you know the the Biden
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Biden deserves huge credit I think for
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building the Coalition around Ukraine
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you know you and I have talked about
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this before Ukraine is not a fight for
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Ukraine it's a fight for democracy it's
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the purest expression of that fight
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that's happening in the world today Joe
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Biden showed up for that fight and
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mobilized allies in Europe and
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throughout uh Asia
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to continue in that fight he
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strengthened y NATO as result and she's
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going to pick up right where he left off
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whereas Donald Trump what's he going to
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do like go to the Kremlin on his hands
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and knees and say to Vladimir Putin you
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can have what you want uh in Ukraine and
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to say to leader in North Korea you can
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have what you want there I mean it is
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ridiculous and TR and Trump's positions
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are so absurd they are completely
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outside the mainstream of what used to
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be before the repan party became a
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culted personality what used to be
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Republican may not have any real values
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right in that regard in that regard and
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I think the minute he leaves the stage
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we're going to discover that um that we
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might actually have a coherent foreign
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policy As Americans that's not partisan
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anymore like the one we've got today
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that said he could still win it's very
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definitely caught up you know I talked
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to David axod this morning and he was
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one of the first to call for Joe Biden
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and I know Joe Biden him a prick but he
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did it and also was among those people
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who thought we needed to move faster um
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and he said look we can't and the the
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head of the future forward thing said
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this is not as the polls aren't as good
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as you think they are there's a
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honeymoon period here that keeps going
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actually this is going to shoot that up
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more because it's going to be you know
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an exciting convention but are what are
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you worri most worried about I'm most
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worried that we could lose and we can't
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take anything for granted we can't take
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anything for granted we have learned
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with the election of Donald Trump that
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our democracy is much more vulnerable
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than we thought I'm not one of these
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people who walks around all day long
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saying Donald Trump's a threat to our
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democracy he a threat to our democracy I
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think he is but I think he's a symptom
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of our problems you and I have talked
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about this before the problem we are
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facing and the real threat to our
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democracy is our lack of economic
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Mobility the massive income and wealth
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inequality that we have in this country
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the fact that we've got a K12 education
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system that the quality of which is
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defined en highly by the the income of
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the parents of students that is a
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freaking threat to our democracy and we
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have to find ways of addressing that you
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know so our winning is not in any way
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assured here so I think what we have to
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do is get out over the next 70 days and
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make sure we do win and how then to win
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if that's the case now it's a good
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chance a little better than 5050 which
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by the way is extraordinary given where
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we were six weeks ago and what we've got
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to do is just do the work in the swing
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states that um of of getting out our
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base in those states which is going to
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be energized by what she's doing and who
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she is and uh and getting a few of the
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unpersuaded people uh to come over on
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our side and I don't think this country
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wants to go back to Donald Trump when
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you look at the poll the latest polling
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in this race you know there's a lot of
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reason to see that it's close I think
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that it's nuts that there are people
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that want to give him the benefit of
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that out on economics cuz he's just a
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big trickle down economics guy but
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that's a debate we have to have between
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now and the election I think it's going
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to be very hard for him to overcome his
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unfavorables but we're going to have to
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show up and do the work and people are
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excited energized my daughter's been
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knocking on doors and she I could not
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get her to do a single thing for my
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reelection campaign you know in 2020
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it's called teenager you know what it's
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called exactly teenager high school Co
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you know she she said to me you used you
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used you know you exploited me when I
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was a little kid because you made those
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tv ads that to show that I you were a
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good family guy and I'm on strike for
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that reason she's been knocking on doors
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in Michigan um even before even before
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the switch in the race because she knows
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what's at stake and I think the American
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people now I think they believe that we
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have a chance to put Donald Trump in the
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rearview mirror forever
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as long as we do the work so that's what
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we have to do Scott last question so is
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my official softball question so
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Colorado has the economic mind of tiand
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with one 12th of population it feels
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fairly reasonable like the people work
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together not a lot of it feels like you
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and the governor and the junior Senator
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get along like what can the nation learn
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from Colorado and Colorado politics when
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you think about what Donald Trump
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represents in terms of the corruption of
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our democracy you think about all the
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place in the world that you guys know
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much better than I where corruption is
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the norm and where Trump is saying you
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know you're a basically a sucker if you
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don't believe that our private sector
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and our public sector are hopelessly
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corrupt I say come to Colorado a place
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where you know we believe in our
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democracy the rule of law and the the
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fact that we can drive economic
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innovation in ways that the rest of the
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world isn't doing I mean you know in the
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end given it even with all the income
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inequality that I talked about and all
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the one of our biggest assets is the
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capitalist system that we have we just
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have to have it work right for the
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American people it can't just Heap all
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its benefits to people at the very top
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we have to harvest the benefits of
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innovation all that stuff that's what
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we're trying to do one quick final
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question speaking of at the top a lot of
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tech Bros we've talked you and I had
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been at your office talking about this
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how some of them of course are on the
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blue team a lot of them right how do you
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feel about this rightward shift with
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some of them obviously I'm not surprised
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at all look there's some people over
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there who think they should succeed
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secede suede from the United States of
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America that that the valley is so smart
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that somehow you know they they can't be
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imposed upon in any way and they should
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just have their own fantasy land or not
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surprised at all by that what I believe
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and this is CH you know I think changed
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since you and I talked about this in my
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office we have a mental health epidemic
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in America as a result of the algorithms
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these guys have Unleashed on the
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American people and we need to have uh
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voices in Washington that are willing to
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stand up to them and have a negotiation
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behalf the American people no one has
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had a negotiation with Mark Zuckerberg
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on our economics or on our privacy or on
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our data and he is basically strip
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mining uh our kids bedrooms and that's
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what's that that's got to come to in
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well elon's being the villain now so
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that's why Mark's getting out of getting
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out well it's not just Mark and not just
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Elon there are other people that are
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hiding behind them and I think we've got
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to take this on I mean I have argued for
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a long time in fact since you and I were
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in the office together that we need a
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new agency in Washington just like Teddy
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Roosevelt had when he was dealing with
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the oil and gas trust we need one that's
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dealing with these guys well Scott and I
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will run it for you if that's okay
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you're HED you are go out into a large
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Scandal large ugly Scandal anyway thank
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you so I doubt oh do not doubt that come
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to color we will I all right thank you
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thanks thank you thanks thanks thank you
