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Wharton Professor Kent Smetters on the Health Care Impications of the Mid-Term Elections

November 09, 2010 / 06:32

This episode discusses the future of the healthcare act, Republican strategies in Congress, and the implications for consumer protection and entitlements.

The conversation highlights that Republicans lack the votes to fully repeal the healthcare act, as they do not control the Senate. The speaker compares the current situation to past midterm elections where similar Republican efforts failed.

Key topics include the mandates within the healthcare act, which require individuals to purchase health insurance or face penalties. The speaker explains the potential consequences of removing these mandates, emphasizing the risk of adverse selection.

The discussion also touches on the Republicans' desire to zero out the healthcare bill and the challenges they face with malpractice reforms. The speaker notes that any significant changes could provoke backlash from voters.

Finally, the episode addresses the broader impact of Republican control in the House on consumer protection and entitlement programs, suggesting that it may lead to weaker regulations and a lack of progress in consumer rights.

TL;DR

Republicans lack votes to repeal healthcare act, face challenges on mandates and consumer protection.

Episode

6:32
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I think the healthc care act will
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definitely survive the new Congress. The
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Republicans simply don't have the votes
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in order to do a full repeal. They don't
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have control of the Senate. They
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certainly don't have a filibuster um
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majority uh much less a simple majority.
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And so I think you're going to see House
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Republicans bring it up on their
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symbolic act. That's why a lot of them
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got elected. But they don't simply have
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the votes to do it. In fact, this is uh
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really part of
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um in a historic context, we've seen
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this before where Truman and Johnson and
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other presidents who um've seen uh in
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their midterm elections, Republicans
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come in and under the idea that we're
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going to repeal and undo and they've
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almost never been successful at doing
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that. And so we have a ratchet effect in
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public policy and we're we've ratcheted
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up and it'll bring in the Republicans,
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but they're not going to be able to do
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much to bring it down. I think the
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provisions of the healthc care bill that
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they will claim is the um the ones that
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they dislike the most are are certainly
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the mandates. the mandates just strike
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people as big government and uh just
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kind of the wrong thing to do in terms
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of for free and um uh society and um and
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certainly in terms of um free enterprise
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and all that. The mandates why they're
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there is because you don't want people
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dropping their health care and then just
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getting the cheap insurance when they
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get sick. And so the mandates are really
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part of a larger package. And so they
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can't just undo the mandates. If they
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just somehow were able to undo the
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mandates and they don't have the votes
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to do it, but if somehow they could, um
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that would actually be disastrous
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because that would be enormous adverse
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selection problem. People would just
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drop their insurance and then get it
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right when they need it and that would
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be incredibly costly. And so it's either
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they would have to somehow undo the
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whole package or do nothing. But they
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don't want to just u touch the mandates.
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So what we mean by mandates is that
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people basically are required to buy
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health care or face significant
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penalties if they don't. So for all
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practical purposes, people would be
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almost crazy not to buy health care
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because it would be uh just too
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expensive or of course they get it
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through their employer. So the mandate
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is that I can either prove that I got it
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through my employer or that I I have to
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buy it. Um otherwise they face a big
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tax. So, Congress has a lot of tools at
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its ability to the extent that something
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is mandatory spending, they can't really
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touch it unless they actually change the
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law. And so, things like social
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security, man, uh, Medicare or called
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mandatory spending and the health care
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act for the most part comes under
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mandatory spending to the extent that
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there is some discretionary aspect, what
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they call discretionary spending. So
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that's things that like on roads, roads
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is discretionary and um some education
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programs. Um then they could try to deny
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funding of that. But that's going to be
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very few parts of this program. So in
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term in terms of the Republicans wish
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list, you know, candly, especially if
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we're talking about the House
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Republicans, what they would really want
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to do with healthcare is really just to
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zero out the bill. I mean, just to undo
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it. I don't think that they're um
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there's a lot of parts of the bill that
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they they really support. And again, I
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it would be dangerous just to do un um
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some parts of it and not other parts.
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And so you it's either all or nothing.
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Some additions that they would like to
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see on top of it would certainly be uh
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curbs of malpractice. And that's going
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to obviously be a traditionally has
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always been a very tough fight. Uh the
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US has very high malpractice rates
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because um uh quite frankly lobbyists
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who in favor of it are very powerful. So
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in terms of what the elections mean for
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the unemployment outlook I I don't think
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it has a big impact either way. Um it's
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mainly a monetary policy um issue at
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this point. the impact of the federal
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government um is going to be fairly
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minor at this point because the debt
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that currently exists is has already
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been produced and it's there's not going
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to be much change going forward. A in
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terms of entitlements, the Republicans
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in theory are supposed to be the guys
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who are saying, you know, there's a
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massive problem on the uh it used to be
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on the long horizon, now it's pretty
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soon. And you know, they're going to try
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to um curb the growth rate of those of
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the growth of those programs. And if you
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can curb the growth rate, you could have
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a big impact. Um quite frankly, I think
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uh that's still going to be a very tough
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fight. And if Republicans push too hard,
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they they they're going to fear u a big
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backlash if any perception of taking
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away benefits targeted for old people. I
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I don't see uh a lot of the DoddFrank
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bill itself being reversed, but the
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DoddFrank bill is really just an
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apparatus for lots of additional
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regulation and discussion. The DoddFrank
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bill creates an outline. It doesn't
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actually um impose a lot of the rules.
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And so I actually view the Republican um
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uh control of the House as probably a
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negative thing when it comes and I say
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this as a former political appointee as
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a Republican. Um I I see it as probably
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a negative and the reason why is because
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I think consumer protection rules in the
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area of finance are simply too weak. And
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I don't see um uh the Republicans uh
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really being um
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going to be very aggressive at uh
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furthering consumer protection rules.

Episode Highlights

  • Healthcare Act's Resilience
    The healthcare act is likely to survive despite Republican opposition due to lack of votes.
    “They don’t have the votes to do it.”
    @ 00m 21s
    November 09, 2010
  • The Mandate Dilemma
    Mandates are essential to prevent adverse selection in healthcare, but face political challenges.
    “It’s either all or nothing.”
    @ 03m 58s
    November 09, 2010

Episode Quotes

  • They don’t have the votes to do it.
    Wharton Professor Kent Smetters on the Health Care Impications of the Mid-Term Elections
  • People would be almost crazy not to buy health care.
    Wharton Professor Kent Smetters on the Health Care Impications of the Mid-Term Elections
  • It’s either all or nothing.
    Wharton Professor Kent Smetters on the Health Care Impications of the Mid-Term Elections

Key Moments

  • Healthcare Survival00:18
  • Republican Challenges00:21
  • Mandate Importance02:36
  • Political Landscape05:48

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