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NARRATOR:<i> Every fraud</i>
<i> begins with a promise.</i>
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VICKY THAKORDAS-DESAI: She
paid for their weddings.
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She paid for various trips.
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She wanted to look after
them as best as she could.
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NARRATOR:<i> A quick</i>
<i> fortune, easy money, or</i>
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<i> a life transformed overnight.</i>
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PETER JOYCE: She
would have left
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a reasonable estate behind.
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It had been a sizeable
sum of money.
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NARRATOR:<i> But behind</i>
<i> these illusions</i>
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<i> lie calculated</i>
<i> deceptions, carefully</i>
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<i> hidden in plain sight.</i>
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POPPY EVERTON:
It's not uncommon
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for us to see economic abuse
mixed with psychological abuse
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or coercive control.
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FIONA HOTSTON MOORE:
It's relatively
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easy with online
banking for someone
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to help or coerce
someone into transferring
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money out of their investments
into another bank account.
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NARRATOR:<i> Sometimes</i>
<i> these criminals</i>
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<i> are backed into a corner</i>
<i> and feel their only way out</i>
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<i> is to kill.</i>
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SHEILA ANDERSON: It
just feel very, very sad
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that somebody would want money
so desperately that you'd
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have to end somebody's life.
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[exhilarating music]
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- My name is Emma Wilson,
and I'm a fire scientist.
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I investigate fires, usually
on behalf of the police.
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Usually the primary
investigator.
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So I attend a fire
scene when I'm
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invited to, to work out where
it started, how it started,
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and, if possible, to help
with who might have
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started it, if there is a who.
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NARRATOR:<i> In the early</i>
<i> hours of December 15, 2021,</i>
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<i> a fire was reported</i>
<i> in the suburbs</i>
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<i> of Newark, Nottinghamshire.</i>
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EMMA WILSON: I
first got involved
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in this case when
I was contacted
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by Nottinghamshire police.
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I was told that it was
a domestic fire, that there
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had been a fatality.
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The victim's name was
Elizabeth Vamplew.
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I was told that it had
been investigated by a team
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initially, but their findings
were inconclusive
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and that they needed
a second opinion in order
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to be able to confirm the route
that the investigation
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should go.
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NARRATOR:<i> Elizabeth Vamplew</i>
<i> was a 77-year-old mother and</i>
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<i> grandmother,</i>
<i> and a familiar face</i>
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<i> amongst the tight</i>
<i> knit community</i>
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<i> of her quiet cul-de-sac.</i>
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- I'm Sheila Anderson.
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I was born and bred
in Newark, and
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I came down here
to live in a bungalow
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because of my disability.
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Elizabeth was a very,
very lovely woman.
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When I opened the paper and I
saw that, I was really shocked.
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I couldn't believe it.
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It was just something that
you don't hear of all the time
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and knew it like that.
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- My name is Poppy Everton.
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I work for Hourglass
Safe Aging.
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Elizabeth was a really
warm and caring person,
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somebody that was always
going out of her way
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to support and help the people
around her and her loved ones.
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She was a devoted
mother and grandmother,
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really enjoyed spending
time with her grandkids.
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That was when she
was at her happiest.
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She ultimately
loved Christmas, and
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her family often talk
about how that time of year
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brought her such joy.
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Very, very well liked
amongst family, friends,
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and the community as a whole.
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NARRATOR:<i> Elizabeth was most</i>
<i> happy tending her small but</i>
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<i> well-kept garden</i>
<i> and spoiling her three</i>
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<i> beloved grandchildren.</i>
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- We also know that Elizabeth
would help with money or gifts
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for her family, whether that
be at birthdays, Christmases.
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And just making sure that
they felt supported by her.
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- My name is Dr.
Vicky Thakordas-Desai,
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and I am a consultant
forensic psychologist.
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Elizabeth seemed to be
a doting and caring mother.
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She clearly loved her children.
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She wanted the best for them.
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She had supported
them financially.
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She paid for their weddings,
she paid for various trips
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for them, and it
just seemed that she
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wanted to look after them
as best as she could.
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NARRATOR:<i> Elizabeth</i>
<i> suffered from limited</i>
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<i> mobility and required visits</i>
<i> from nurses twice a day.</i>
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- My name is Peter
Joyce, King's Counsel,
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and I was the lead
prosecutor in the case.
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Elizabeth was very disabled,
her breathing was poor,
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her mobility was very poor.
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She had to go around
in a wheelchair.
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She was put to bed.
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She was got up.
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She was basically looked after.
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She was all but bedbound,
but not quite.
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NARRATOR:<i> One</i>
<i> of Elizabeth's nurses</i>
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<i> was her daughter-in-law,</i>
<i> Karen Vamplew.</i>
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SHEILA ANDERSON: Well,
actually, I bumped into Karen
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a time or two,
and I've spoken to her
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and we've just said
hello, and she just
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seemed an ordinary
person like myself.
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POPPY EVERTON: Karen was an
informal carer for Elizabeth,
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so although Elizabeth had
paid carers coming in,
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Karen was helping her
with particular things
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that she may have
needed support with.
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VICKY THAKORDAS-DESAI:
By Karen regularly
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checking in on Elizabeth
and being present for her,
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it seems that Elizabeth would
have felt a sense of trust
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and safety around Karen.
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Here was somebody who was
looking after her, who wanted
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to ensure her well-being.
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NARRATOR:<i> Karen Vamplew</i>
<i> was a 41-year-old</i>
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<i> mother of four who was known</i>
<i> to have financial difficulties.</i>
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PETER JOYCE: Karen
Vamplew was married
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to Elizabeth Vamplew son.
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Karen had trouble
making ends meet.
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There's no question about that.
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VICKY THAKORDAS-DESAI:
Chronic financial stress
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can be very debilitating
for an individual.
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So the level
of pressure that she
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would have been
under to pay off
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her debts, to support her
family would have been immense.
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NARRATOR:<i> At 1:25 AM</i>
<i> on December 15, 2021,</i>
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<i> Karen Vamplew called</i>
<i> emergency services to report</i>
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<i> a fire at Elizabeth's home.</i>
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- The version of events
given by Karen
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was that she had woken up in
the early hours of the morning.
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Had become nervous
around her mother-in-law
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and wanted to check on her.
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She drove to the property,
said that when she got there,
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she had realized she'd
forgotten her keys
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and couldn't remember
the number for the key safe.
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- She said she'd gone there
to look because she had
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not had a call from Elizabeth.
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EMMA WILSON: So she tried
to raise her mother-in-law
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by knocking on the door
and the windows
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and could not get
any attention.
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But she also doesn't describe
seeing, hearing, or smelling
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anything else at that time.
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My understanding is
that she was initially
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present for a significant
period of time
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when she couldn't find her
keys and couldn't access
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the key lock according to her.
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She then says that she goes
back home to retrieve her key,
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but that she'd only left
the area for around 10 minutes
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and then returned.
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And when she returns,
she opens the front door
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to Elizabeth's bungalow
and immediately sees smoke.
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PETER JOYCE: She said that
she'd found the fire light.
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She said that she'd gone
in and pressed an alarm button.
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EMMA WILSON: Then
Karen immediately
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contacts the fire service.
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NARRATOR:<i> Fire</i>
<i> services took just</i>
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<i> five minutes to respond,</i>
<i> arriving at Elizabeth's home</i>
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<i> at 1:30 AM.</i>
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EMMA WILSON: When
the fire service arrived,
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Karen has then explained
to the fire crews
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and to the fire investigator
that her mother-in-law
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was a heavy smoker and had
a habit of smoking in bed.
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NARRATOR:<i> When firemen</i>
<i> entered the blazing property,</i>
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<i> they encountered</i>
<i> intense heat and</i>
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<i> smoke 2 feet from the floor.</i>
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<i> They found Elizabeth crouched</i>
<i> at the foot of her bed.</i>
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PETER JOYCE: Elizabeth
had to be rescued
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by two very brave
firemen who got
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her out alive, despite the fact
she was grievously injured.
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She was saying something
about cigarettes
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to the nurse at the hospital.
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NARRATOR:<i> Elizabeth</i>
<i> was suffering</i>
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<i> from burns to 80% of her</i>
<i> body and from the effects</i>
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<i> of smoke inhalation.</i>
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- Elizabeth was recovered
outside by the firefighters
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and that she was later taken
to hospital and died there.
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- All over the television,
Facebook, social media
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and in the Newark advertiser.
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And it was
in the Newark advertiser
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that I read all
about it properly.
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I feel very, very sad
that the lady had to die.
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NARRATOR:<i> On December 15, 2021,</i>
<i> 77-year-old Elizabeth Vamplew</i>
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<i> died after being rescued</i>
<i> from her burning home,</i>
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<i> and police immediately</i>
<i> launched an investigation.</i>
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EMMA WILSON: When
I was first told
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that there had
been a fatality, I
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was told that she was
an elderly lady who
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lived in an address on her
own, that she had carers
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come to help her on a daily
basis in the morning
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and in the evening.
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And that she was largely
bedbound and needed
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help to move around.
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I was also told that she had
a son and a daughter-in-law who
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were part of her
family group, and
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that her daughter-in-law was
part of her care group at times
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as well.
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NARRATOR:<i> In the initial</i>
<i> stages of the investigation,</i>
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<i> police had little evidence</i>
<i> to suggest the fire</i>
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<i> was not caused</i>
<i> by Elizabeth dropping</i>
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<i> a cigarette in her bedroom.</i>
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EMMA WILSON: The information
that Karen Vamplew
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gave to the fire investigation
team at that initial stage was
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that Elizabeth was
a very heavy smoker
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and tended to smoke in bed.
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However, information
from the carers
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was that she did not
smoke in her bed.
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She smoked once in the morning
and once in the evening.
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PETER JOYCE: Elizabeth was
quite canny in some ways
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because she pretended
she didn't smoke, but did
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and hid the cigarette
end in the kitchen
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or smoked outside the door.
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But she was also very
careful about smoking
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because whenever she
finished her cigarette,
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she would put it
out under a tap
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and hide it away
to get rid of it.
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EMMA WILSON: The information
about smoking in her bed
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was only ever
received from Karen.
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So that was the route that
the initial investigation
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team followed, that
she was a heavy smoker.
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Their conclusion
was that the fire
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was most likely
the cause of a dropped
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lit cigarette in the bed.
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NARRATOR:<i> As part</i>
<i> of the initial investigation,</i>
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<i> both Elizabeth's son</i>
<i> and daughter-in-law, Karen,</i>
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<i> were questioned by police.</i>
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- He was very angry that--
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that had happened to him.
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Quite clearly been
at home on the night
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of his mother's death.
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There was nothing
to do with him.
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NARRATOR:<i> Police</i>
<i> were particularly</i>
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<i> interested in questioning</i>
<i> Karen about her movements</i>
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<i> on the night Elizabeth died.</i>
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PETER JOYCE: She
said she'd gone
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there to look because she had
not had a call from Elizabeth.
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Her account was
she found the fire
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and had gone round
by chance that night.
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That was the basic story.
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There was CCTV evidence
of her leaving her home.
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There was evidence of her car
arriving and being parked quite
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near to Elizabeth's home.
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There was CCTV
evidence of her running
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away from the first
visit back to her car,
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not walking-- running.
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There was CCTV evidence
of her getting home, carrying
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what looked like a towel.
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There was more CCTV
evidence of her coming out
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of her house, again, about two
minutes later, having changed,
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and going back, purporting
then to find the house on fire.
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NARRATOR:<i> Police</i>
<i> also discovered</i>
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<i> Karen contacted</i>
<i> the home insurance</i>
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<i> company the very day that</i>
<i> Elizabeth had died in the fire.</i>
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VICKY THAKORDAS-DESAI:
Karen contacted
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the insurers on the same
day her mother-in-law dies.
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And it really just
shows how insensitive
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she was to the situation.
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But equally, it
raised suspicions.
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NARRATOR:<i> In early</i>
<i> 2022, police decided</i>
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<i> to take a more</i>
<i> detailed look into</i>
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<i> Karen Vamplew's background.</i>
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EMMA WILSON: I was
given very little detail
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about the background
of the case.
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It helps me to remain unbiased
since my initial examination
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of the information.
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My understanding is that there
was some fraud aspect to it
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involving financial
gain of Karen
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taking money from Elizabeth.
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- Karen was hard
up, no question.
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Karen Vamplew's main interest
in life, it seemed to me,
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was actually money for Karen.
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Karen needed Elizabeth's
money to make
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ends meet to maintain
her lifestyle
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with her husband and kids.
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NARRATOR:<i> Despite having no</i>
<i> previous criminal record,</i>
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<i> police discovered</i>
<i> that Karen had</i>
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<i> been accused of financial</i>
<i> misdealings in the past.</i>
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PETER JOYCE: She had
a previous relationship, which
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had ended when it was suggested
that she'd taken money,
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and she then dumped that
particular friend or male
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friend when that came out.
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She wasn't charged with
anything about that,
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but she was
investigated about it.
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NARRATOR:<i> Police</i>
<i> also discovered</i>
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<i> that in the weeks</i>
<i> leading up to her death,</i>
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<i> Karen made a number</i>
<i> of cash withdrawals</i>
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<i> from Elizabeth's account.</i>
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- I looked at all
the banking evidence.
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I looked at the evidence
of Elizabeth's expenses,
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which we saw down the years,
some of the material
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that she'd given to Karen
or money she'd given to Karen
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were legitimate, but very few.
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- My name is Fiona
Hotston Moore,
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and I'm a forensic accountant
and expert witness.
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Typically when we're looking
at someone like Elizabeth
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and they're a bit older and
perhaps spending a lot of time
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at home, we expect to see
fairly modest expenditure.
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We would see small amounts
for looking after themselves,
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maybe the odd gift
to the family members
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and then regular
payments to their carers.
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So it's a very
consistent pattern.
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POPPY EVERTON: When Karen
was interviewed by police
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several times,
at a certain point,
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it was disclosed that
some of the bills
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for Karen and her husband were
actually in Elizabeth's name.
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And the reason that
was given for this
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was that ultimately,
the company was potentially
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going to cut Karen and her
partner off due to the debts
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potentially that
had accrued already.
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And so they had put this
in Elizabeth's name.
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Karen did mention that
Elizabeth was aware of this.
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- If I was looking
at the records
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and I noticed that someone was
paying someone else's bills,
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then that could
potentially be a red flag.
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Why would they be paying them?
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It could be out
of the kindness of their heart,
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but it could suggest
that actually, they
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weren't aware they were
paying someone else's bills
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or there was a level
of coercion going on.
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NARRATOR:<i> When police examined</i>
<i> Elizabeth's bank statements,</i>
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<i> the number of unusual</i>
<i> cash withdrawals</i>
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<i> led investigators to suspect</i>
<i> that Elizabeth had been</i>
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<i> the victim of economic abuse.</i>
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- I think older people,
the most common form of abuse
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is economic abuse.
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It's often for some
form of financial gain,
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so it's not uncommon
for us to see
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economic abuse mixed
with psychological abuse
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or coercive control.
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PETER JOYCE: Karen was
one of Elizabeth's carers.
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Karen played on that to have
access to Elizabeth's finances.
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POPPY EVERTON: Often,
the power dynamic,
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when there are care and support
needs for the victims,
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can be worrying when
that person who's
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delivering that care and
support is ultimately somebody
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who has their own
gain in mind, and
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somebody who needs that
level of care and support,
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is going to be very
dependent on that person
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to provide that for them.
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And unfortunately, that puts
them in the perfect position
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to exploit that power.
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VICKY THAKORDAS-DESAI: Karen
was in a trusted position.
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She was supporting
Elizabeth, and
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it is possible that because she
was helping her in her day
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to day activities,
that she felt
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entitled to something
from Elizabeth
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and entitled to that money.
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POPPY EVERTON: Karen admitted
in a police interview
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that she felt that Elizabeth
was quite well off,
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money wise in her opinion.
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And ultimately, Elizabeth
was in a position
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where she owned the bungalow
that she lived in.
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She was able to pay
independently
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for carers, for a cleaner,
for a gardener
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and to Karen, who was
in significant financial
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dire straits.
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Ultimately, this would
have potentially been
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an area of real resentment.
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NARRATOR:<i> Police discovered</i>
<i> around April 2021,</i>
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<i> Elizabeth had approximately</i>
<i> 27,000 pounds in her bank</i>
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<i> account, but the balance began</i>
<i> to dwindle soon after Karen</i>
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<i> became Elizabeth's nurse.</i>
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- It's relatively easy with
online banking for someone
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to help or coerce someone
into transferring money out
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of their investments
into another bank account,
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and it's potentially
difficult to trace that
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happening until it's happened.
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PETER JOYCE: It shows
a gradual denuding
00:18:35
of the account of Elizabeth's
money and going down
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and down and down.
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And you could see transactions
happening, which were
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clearly for Karen's benefit.
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Karen was doing much
of her shopping and things
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on Elizabeth's account.
00:18:48
She had access to the card.
00:18:50
We could see where
the money had been spent,
00:18:52
and then you could see how
the account had been basically
00:18:57
reduced over the months
from the moment Karen
00:19:01
became a carer with the card.
00:19:05
VICKY THAKORDAS-DESAI:
It is possible
00:19:06
that Karen started
to rationalize in own mind
00:19:10
that she was entitled
to some of this money.
00:19:12
She was caring for Elizabeth.
00:19:14
She was checking in on her.
00:19:16
She was doing her
day-to-day errands.
00:19:19
So Karen may have felt a sense
of entitlement to those funds.
00:19:28
POPPY EVERTON: Hourglass
did a piece of research
00:19:30
a few years ago, and one in
four people that were spoken to
00:19:35
did not think that taking
money from an older relatives
00:19:38
bank account or precious
items from their home
00:19:41
counted as abuse.
00:19:43
And this is unfortunately a--
00:19:46
a societal issue as a whole.
00:19:48
This notion
of entitlement that if you
00:19:51
provide care and support
for somebody,
00:19:54
you are entitled to money.
00:19:55
You're entitled to belongings.
00:19:57
It's just not true.
00:19:59
You provide care and support
for somebody in your family
00:20:01
because you want to provide
care and support for them that
00:20:05
doesn't come with
strings attached,
00:20:07
or it shouldn't come
with strings attached.
00:20:09
But ultimately, people do
feel entitled to some form
00:20:13
of gain from that.
00:20:14
And that's where these
situations in domestic abuse
00:20:16
can really escalate and the
risk can really escalate.
00:20:21
FIONA HOTSTON MOORE:
In cases such as Elizabeth,
00:20:23
we would also look at their
wider financial investments.
00:20:27
So we'd be looking
at any ISAs and savings
00:20:29
and so on that they've got and
seeing whether those ISAs and
00:20:33
savings were still
there, or was
00:20:35
there evidence
that actually those
00:20:36
had been drawn from as well.
00:20:39
NARRATOR:<i> Police also</i>
<i> discovered that in the days</i>
00:20:41
<i> leading up to her death,</i>
<i> 10,000 pounds was withdrawn</i>
00:20:46
<i> from Elizabeth's</i>
<i> individual savings account,</i>
00:20:49
<i> known as an ISA.</i>
00:20:52
POPPY EVERTON: This
essentially goes
00:20:53
to show the access that
Karen does have, not
00:20:56
only to Elizabeth's
account, but
00:20:58
we have to think about how
she may have coerced that
00:21:03
from Elizabeth and what
the conversations may have been
00:21:07
to lead to that, whether
it's emotional manipulation,
00:21:10
whether it's coercive control
and the level of threat there.
00:21:13
There are lots and lots
of ways that people
00:21:15
can use to essentially
manipulate and exploit older
00:21:19
people for financial gain.
00:21:23
VICKY THAKORDAS-DESAI: Karen
was in a position of trust.
00:21:25
Elizabeth had trusted her
with access to her accounts.
00:21:29
And over time, Karen took
advantage of that trust
00:21:33
and drained Elizabeth's
account of her savings.
00:21:38
This tells me that Karen had
really started to see Elizabeth
00:21:44
as a means to an end.
00:21:46
Elizabeth was a financial
source for her.
00:21:50
It seems that Karen had
stopped seeing Elizabeth as a--
00:21:55
as a human being,
and she was reduced
00:21:57
to an object that could satisfy
her own needs and desires.
00:22:11
NARRATOR:<i> During</i>
<i> their investigation</i>
00:22:13
<i> into Elizabeth</i>
<i> Vamplew's death, police</i>
00:22:16
<i> discovered that the day before</i>
<i> Elizabeth died in the house</i>
00:22:19
<i> fire, Karen Vamplew accompanied</i>
<i> her mother-in-law to the bank.</i>
00:22:25
PETER JOYCE: The bank was
saying, before we authorize
00:22:28
funds, any more
payments on the card,
00:22:31
we want to see
the older Mrs. Vamplew.
00:22:35
In other words, Elizabeth
to see whether or not she
00:22:38
was being taken advantage
of by the user of the card.
00:22:43
Elizabeth was bedbound, and
Karen did something with regard
00:22:47
to the phone that stopped the
bank getting in touch directly
00:22:53
with Elizabeth, like
turning off the answering
00:22:55
machine, something like that.
00:22:57
But she prevented
the bank getting
00:22:58
directly to Elizabeth while she
Karen, was milking the account.
00:23:03
NARRATOR:<i> When the bank were</i>
<i> unable to speak with Elizabeth</i>
00:23:06
<i> on the phone, the bank limited</i>
<i> Elizabeth's spending to just</i>
00:23:10
<i> 5 pounds per transaction.</i>
00:23:13
- And that's when the bank
put a stop on the card.
00:23:17
And effectively,
that's when the goose
00:23:18
stopped laid the golden egg.
00:23:20
It's also the time, I
think, when Elizabeth first
00:23:23
became really aware as to just
how extensive Karen's raiding
00:23:27
of her account had been.
00:23:30
POPPY EVERTON: On the 14th
of December 2021,
00:23:34
Karen accompanied
Elizabeth to the bank.
00:23:36
And this is something that we
may see in situations where
00:23:40
that perpetrator will
attend appointments,
00:23:43
whether at a bank, a GP
surgery with social care
00:23:47
with that victim, because
ultimately, what this does
00:23:50
is if that victim is concerned
that something's going on
00:23:54
or something untoward
maybe happening,
00:23:56
particularly with
their finances,
00:23:58
because Karen went
with Elizabeth.
00:24:00
It leaves very little
room for any disclosures
00:24:03
to be made to bank staff
or to any other professionals
00:24:06
that we see in these
situations as well.
00:24:10
PETER JOYCE: And it's
almost certain
00:24:11
that that was the first
time that Elizabeth really
00:24:13
understood just how
Karen had been milking
00:24:17
Elizabeth's account,
because there was
00:24:20
virtually nothing left in it.
00:24:23
It was very, very depleted
by her daughter-in-law.
00:24:26
For the first time,
Elizabeth knew just what had
00:24:30
been happening to her money.
00:24:34
NARRATOR:<i> After</i>
<i> examining bank records,</i>
00:24:36
<i> police discovered that</i>
<i> in just eight months,</i>
00:24:39
<i> Elizabeth's account</i>
<i> balance dropped</i>
00:24:41
<i> from 27,000 to 105 pounds.</i>
00:24:46
POPPY EVERTON: It's very
likely that during that trip
00:24:49
to the bank, Elizabeth
realized how much money had
00:24:52
been taken out of her account.
00:24:54
The vast differences
with what should
00:24:56
be in there to her
knowledge and
00:24:58
what was actually
in the account,
00:25:00
and it may be
at that point, she
00:25:01
has become aware that
she has been exploited
00:25:04
by her daughter-in-law, Karen.
00:25:06
And ultimately,
in that moment, you
00:25:08
have to consider the horror,
the betrayal, the concerns
00:25:13
about money worries,
because not only has this
00:25:16
been done by somebody in a
position of trust and somebody
00:25:19
within the family,
so that betrayal is going
00:25:21
to be very much overwhelming.
00:25:24
NARRATOR:<i> The trip</i>
<i> to the bank was</i>
00:25:25
<i> less than 24 hours</i>
<i> before the fire that</i>
00:25:28
<i> would take Elizabeth's life.</i>
00:25:31
- There was not really much
time for Elizabeth to react.
00:25:35
And if she was made aware
during that trip to the bank
00:25:38
the financial
economic abuse that
00:25:40
was happening from
her daughter-in-law,
00:25:43
it is quite suspicious
that the incident
00:25:45
happened the following day.
00:25:48
And similarly, something
that we see as a charity
00:25:51
when there are grandchildren
in a situation, an older person
00:25:56
may not choose
to report to the police
00:25:59
because ultimately, they do not
want to criminalize the parents
00:26:02
of their grandchildren.
00:26:04
PETER JOYCE: The day after the
visit to the bank, two things
00:26:07
happened, I think.
00:26:08
Elizabeth found out
what had been happening.
00:26:12
And the day after, the money
had ceased for Karen.
00:26:17
Elizabeth had ceased
to be of use to Karen.
00:26:20
She was only
a burden now in terms
00:26:22
of having to care for her.
00:26:24
And so she killed her.
00:26:32
NARRATOR:<i> With police now</i>
<i> believing that Elizabeth</i>
00:26:35
<i> was the victim of economic</i>
<i> abuse before she died,</i>
00:26:38
<i> fire expert Emma</i>
<i> Wilson was brought</i>
00:26:41
<i> in to determine exactly where</i>
<i> and how the fire was started.</i>
00:26:46
- The damage at the bungalow
was relatively limited.
00:26:49
It was primarily
restricted to the bedroom
00:26:53
that Elizabeth used.
00:26:55
There was some damage
that had come out
00:26:57
into the hallway
of the bungalow,
00:26:59
and some smoke damage had
spread to some of the rooms
00:27:01
where doors had been opened.
00:27:03
However, information
from the carers
00:27:06
was that she did not
smoke in her bed.
00:27:10
PETER JOYCE:
Elizabeth didn't take
00:27:11
cigarettes into her bedroom.
00:27:13
She normally smoked
at the kitchen door
00:27:15
so the smell would
not invade the house.
00:27:18
She didn't want the smell
in the house, which
00:27:20
was another feature
why you wouldn't have
00:27:22
her smoking in her bedroom.
00:27:24
And she always took great care
to get rid of the evidence
00:27:27
of having smoked.
00:27:29
NARRATOR:<i> Emma was also</i>
<i> skeptical of Karen Vamplew's</i>
00:27:32
<i> account that she hadn't noticed</i>
<i> the fire when she first arrived</i>
00:27:35
<i> at her mother-in-law's home.</i>
00:27:38
- So Karen's story
didn't make sense,
00:27:40
because if she had been outside
that front door of the bungalow
00:27:45
10 minutes prior to her
entering it and alerting
00:27:48
the fire service
to a large flaming fire,
00:27:50
I would have expected her to
have heard the smoke detector,
00:27:54
smelled smoke, or seen
smoke as she looked
00:27:56
through the letter slot.
00:27:58
And therefore to have alerted
the fire service at that point
00:28:03
of a fire within the property.
00:28:06
As a fire scientist,
my issue with that
00:28:08
is there is
a difference in the way
00:28:10
that flaming fires
and smoldering fires burn.
00:28:14
Smoldering fires develop
with large amounts
00:28:17
of smoke but no flames.
00:28:19
They can take a minimum of 10
minutes on the right materials,
00:28:23
but more likely 20, 30
minutes or several hours
00:28:26
to develop into a flaming fire.
00:28:28
Whereas a flaming
fire or a fire
00:28:30
started by a lighter,
or a match,
00:28:33
that continues
as a flaming fire
00:28:35
for its entire
duration and only
00:28:37
takes minutes
to really take hold.
00:28:40
So there is a big
difference in the timing
00:28:42
factors of those
different types of fires.
00:28:46
NARRATOR:<i> Emma Wilson</i>
<i> and the forensic team</i>
00:28:48
<i> examined photographic</i>
<i> evidence from the fire</i>
00:28:51
<i> to determine if she believed</i>
<i> the fire had been started</i>
00:28:54
<i> by Elizabeth smoking in bed.</i>
00:28:58
EMMA WILSON: The only
evidence of smoking materials
00:29:00
that I saw in the images
was in the kitchen.
00:29:03
PETER JOYCE: They
went into great detail
00:29:05
as to where the fire
had started.
00:29:07
I mean, they looked
in the kitchen for things
00:29:08
like cigarettes
and the ashtray.
00:29:13
- I did ask the initial
investigation
00:29:15
team if they found anything
amongst the debris.
00:29:18
The reason I asked
that is because when
00:29:21
something like a lighter
is burnt in a fire,
00:29:23
it doesn't look like
a lighter anymore.
00:29:25
All you have are
the metallic parts.
00:29:27
So you have the lighter shroud,
you have the flint wheel,
00:29:30
but you don't have
the plastic bodies.
00:29:33
I asked the initial
investigation team
00:29:35
if they'd found
anything like that,
00:29:37
and they said they had not.
00:29:40
NARRATOR:<i> The forensic</i>
<i> team decided</i>
00:29:42
<i> to carry out a series</i>
<i> of tests to replicate</i>
00:29:44
<i> the start of the fire using</i>
<i> samples of Elizabeth's bedding.</i>
00:29:49
EMMA WILSON: As part
of their investigation,
00:29:51
they did carry out some
laboratory-based burning tests.
00:29:55
These were small
scale tests based
00:29:57
on fragments of the bedding
and the mattress
00:30:00
recovered from the scene.
00:30:03
The tests that were done,
however, were inconclusive.
00:30:06
This is likely because there'd
been a fire-- firefighters
00:30:10
had extinguished the fire
with quite a lot of water,
00:30:13
so the materials that
they used were no
00:30:16
longer in their primary state.
00:30:18
So they were wet,
and they'd probably
00:30:20
suffered from being packaged in
plastic packaging for a while
00:30:23
afterwards as well.
00:30:26
The conclusion
that they reached
00:30:28
was that with those materials,
it did not cause a fire.
00:30:31
But given that they
had been altered
00:30:33
by the addition
of firefighting water
00:30:35
that they couldn't be sure
that under other conditions,
00:30:39
such as the materials
being dry,
00:30:41
that it could not
have caused a fire.
00:30:46
NARRATOR:<i> Emma Wilson</i>
<i> decided to carry</i>
00:30:48
<i> out more elaborate</i>
<i> tests to determine</i>
00:30:51
<i> the cause of the fire.</i>
00:30:53
EMMA WILSON: I made
two recommendations.
00:30:56
One, recommendation
was to carry out
00:30:59
a new series of burning tests
to use dry materials that
00:31:04
were the same or as similar
as possible to those
00:31:07
that Elizabeth had
in her property.
00:31:10
And that meant getting
the same type of mattress,
00:31:13
getting bedding
of the same type,
00:31:15
and also washing
it and making sure
00:31:17
that it had some wear to it
so that it wasn't brand new.
00:31:20
And then setting
up a burning test
00:31:22
so that we could
see whether or not
00:31:24
on these dry materials
that were as close as
00:31:27
possible to the ones
Elizabeth had,
00:31:29
whether or not we could start
a fire using a cigarette.
00:31:33
PETER JOYCE: They did
all sorts of tests.
00:31:35
They did do tests
with a fire expert.
00:31:37
They did it
in a shipping container
00:31:39
with identical mattress,
identical things.
00:31:42
They needed to prove
that Elizabeth hadn't
00:31:45
set fire to the bed herself.
00:31:49
EMMA WILSON: We set up
a mattress with the bedding.
00:31:53
We carried out
several tests using
00:31:54
cigarettes, all of the same
brand that Elizabeth smoked.
00:31:58
We would light
them and we would
00:32:00
put them in different
positions within the bedding.
00:32:02
That included partial
covering with the duvet,
00:32:05
that included putting
it on the pillow
00:32:07
and on the mattress with
the sheet on it itself.
00:32:09
So we did several
tests and none of them
00:32:12
initiated even
a smoldering fire.
00:32:15
The final test
that we carried out
00:32:18
involved applying a flame
to the corner of the bed,
00:32:21
and that initiated
a fire immediately.
00:32:27
The fire that we lit
caused fire damage
00:32:30
in a very similar
pattern to what could be
00:32:32
seen in Elizabeth's bedroom.
00:32:37
It was my opinion
in my review process
00:32:39
that this was not an accidental
death at that stage.
00:32:44
So it means that somebody
set the fire rather than it
00:32:49
being a dropped lit cigarette.
00:32:53
I think it was at this
point that the investigation
00:32:56
team were confident
that they could
00:32:59
say that this fire was
caused by a person applying
00:33:03
a flame to the bedding.
00:33:08
PETER JOYCE: They completely
disproved any idea
00:33:10
that a cigarette,
a lit cigarette
00:33:12
could have caused the fire
to Elizabeth's bed.
00:33:16
And they proved
that the only way
00:33:17
the fire could
have been started
00:33:18
was by a live flame ignition.
00:33:28
NARRATOR:
<i> On September 27, 2023,</i>
00:33:31
<i> Karen Vamplew is</i>
<i> rearrested and charged</i>
00:33:34
<i> with the murder of her</i>
<i> mother-in-law, Elizabeth.</i>
00:33:38
PETER JOYCE: Having spoken
to two CPS lawyers, I think,
00:33:42
it was quite apparent,
having spoken to them
00:33:44
that they'd come
to the conclusion she
00:33:45
should-- she should
be prosecuted.
00:33:48
I'm bound to say, my reaction
was exactly the same.
00:33:51
She must be.
00:33:52
And the fact that Elizabeth was
bedbound at the top of the bed
00:33:57
and the fire started
at the foot of the bed, clearly
00:34:01
meant that someone
else had lit it.
00:34:03
The case was with a lighter.
00:34:07
The report proved that it
was caused by naked flame.
00:34:11
Now, that would
not have been, and
00:34:13
could not have been at the foot
of the bed done by Elizabeth.
00:34:18
So there's one obvious person--
00:34:23
Karen.
00:34:33
NARRATOR:<i> In April</i>
<i> 2024, Karen Vamplew</i>
00:34:36
<i> stood trial</i>
<i> at Leicester Crown Court</i>
00:34:38
<i> for the murder</i>
<i> of her mother-in-law,</i>
00:34:40
<i> Elizabeth Vamplew.</i>
00:34:42
PETER JOYCE: It was emotion.
00:34:44
The emotion in the dock
was the defendant
00:34:46
looking at photographs
of her children throughout.
00:34:48
The emotion in the public
gallery was her husband.
00:34:53
VICKY THAKORDAS-DESAI:
Karen would have known that
00:34:54
by killing Elizabeth,
that was going
00:34:56
to bring a tremendous
amount of grief and loss
00:34:59
to her husband and the family.
00:35:02
Yet, it seems that she
justified her actions
00:35:05
by convincing herself that
the ends justified the means
00:35:11
that her husband was going
to inherit the money,
00:35:14
that Elizabeth
was old and frail
00:35:18
and that removing
that pain for her.
00:35:22
It is possible that she
justified all of those things.
00:35:27
NARRATOR:<i> Despite</i>
<i> pleading not guilty,</i>
00:35:29
<i> Karen Vamplew did not</i>
<i> give evidence in court.</i>
00:35:33
PETER JOYCE: But she didn't
come out of the dark.
00:35:35
She didn't give evidence.
00:35:37
She didn't risk giving evidence
and risk being cross-examined
00:35:41
about the overwhelming
case that in the end,
00:35:44
we had against
her because there
00:35:46
was no satisfactory
answer she could give.
00:35:49
She couldn't possibly
have answered
00:35:52
the questions I was
going to have for her,
00:35:55
so she didn't come out.
00:35:59
VICKY THAKORDAS-DESAI: Despite
the evidence against her,
00:36:01
Karen protested her innocence.
00:36:05
And that can be
for a number of reasons.
00:36:08
It's a method
of self-protection
00:36:10
and self-survival.
00:36:12
Again, Karen may also have
had the dawning of realization
00:36:17
that she's killed
a family member,
00:36:19
she's killed a mother-in-law.
00:36:20
And the significant
impact that that's
00:36:23
going to have on her family.
00:36:27
NARRATOR:<i> After</i>
<i> a 21-month investigation,</i>
00:36:29
<i> the prosecution argued</i>
<i> money was Karen's motive</i>
00:36:32
<i> for killing Elizabeth.</i>
00:36:36
PETER JOYCE: We could
prove that Karen had been
00:36:39
taking money from Elizabeth.
00:36:42
What I was really
interested in proving
00:36:43
was that she'd killed her.
00:36:45
If you're prosecuting
a case, you
00:36:47
don't actually need
a motive, so long
00:36:49
as you can prove the killing.
00:36:50
I was proving the killing
because that's
00:36:53
what she was charged with.
00:36:54
She wasn't charged with fraud.
00:36:57
That was the motive
for the killing.
00:37:03
NARRATOR:<i> During the trial,</i>
<i> Elizabeth's financial records</i>
00:37:05
<i> were shown to the jury</i>
<i> to illustrate</i>
00:37:08
<i> the depth of the financial</i>
<i> abuse she suffered in the weeks</i>
00:37:11
<i> before her death.</i>
00:37:13
FIONA HOTSTON MOORE: In cases
like Elizabeth's case,
00:37:15
we would be attaining the
banking records of the victim
00:37:20
over a number of years.
00:37:22
And we would be
analyzing them to see
00:37:24
what was their typical
areas that they spent money
00:37:27
on to try and get
a feel for how
00:37:29
much they typically spent
in a year and in which areas
00:37:33
they spent it.
00:37:34
And then we would be looking
for changes in those trends
00:37:37
of expenditure.
00:37:38
So are there now larger
amounts, perhaps being
00:37:41
withdrawn from the bank
or cash transactions,
00:37:45
and who is making
those withdrawals,
00:37:47
if we can actually
tell, and what
00:37:49
might be the reason for those?
00:37:50
So those would be
the telltale red flags.
00:37:54
NARRATOR:<i> During</i>
<i> the trial, the prosecution</i>
00:37:56
<i> also highlighted the number</i>
<i> of inconsistencies</i>
00:37:59
<i> in Karen's version</i>
<i> of what happened</i>
00:38:01
<i> the night Elizabeth died.</i>
00:38:04
PETER JOYCE: She told
friends different things.
00:38:07
She told husband
different things.
00:38:09
She told family
different things.
00:38:11
She had been lying to all these
people about what had happened.
00:38:14
The order of events had
gone where when she'd
00:38:18
found the fire, and so on.
00:38:21
She'd just been lying to her
friends and family throughout,
00:38:25
and they basically
felt betrayed.
00:38:33
VICKY THAKORDAS-DESAI: Karen
had spun a web of lies.
00:38:36
Her stories were inconsistent,
her accounts were discrepant,
00:38:40
and investigators would
have picked up on that
00:38:43
and used that
to their advantage.
00:38:47
NARRATOR:<i> The prosecution</i>
<i> argued that once she had</i>
00:38:50
<i> drained Elizabeth's</i>
<i> account of all her funds,</i>
00:38:53
<i> Karen set fire to Elizabeth's</i>
<i> home because she believed her</i>
00:38:57
<i> husband would</i>
<i> inherit half of her</i>
00:38:59
<i> mother in law's</i>
<i> estate, thought to be</i>
00:39:01
<i> worth around 150,000 pounds.</i>
00:39:04
PETER JOYCE: I
think she probably
00:39:06
hoped that her husband would
get a part of his mother's
00:39:09
will, and she Karen
would benefit from it
00:39:11
because she would have
left a reasonable estate
00:39:13
behind as well.
00:39:15
Well, it would mean
a sizeable sum of money
00:39:17
for Karen's husband
and Karen's sister-in-law,
00:39:21
which no doubt Karen would have
hoped to have benefited from.
00:39:28
VICKY THAKORDAS-DESAI: Karen
had rationalized in her mind
00:39:30
that she needed the money, and
that someday her husband was
00:39:36
going to inherit that money.
00:39:37
She needed the money
there and then,
00:39:39
so she-- there is evidence
of her using identity fraud
00:39:43
and taking money from
Elizabeth's account
00:39:46
to fund her own lifestyle.
00:39:50
Her actions became
desensitized,
00:39:52
and she started to morally
justify in her own mind
00:39:56
why taking money from Elizabeth
at this stage in her life
00:40:01
was appropriate and valid.
00:40:04
So she justified it, she
rationalized it in her own mind
00:40:08
and therefore, very
quickly had accepted
00:40:13
a conclusion that
ending Elizabeth's life
00:40:18
was one of the options.
00:40:22
PETER JOYCE: I think
the real motive was, in fact,
00:40:24
getting rid of the burden of
having to care for someone when
00:40:26
you really didn't want to.
00:40:31
NARRATOR:<i> A key piece</i>
<i> of evidence for the prosecution</i>
00:40:33
<i> was the testimony of fire</i>
<i> expert, Emma Wilson.</i>
00:40:38
EMMA WILSON: As an expert
witness arriving at court,
00:40:41
knowing that
your testimony is going
00:40:44
to be a large part
of the case, it's
00:40:47
going to be a big part
of the jury's considerations,
00:40:50
and it's going to help
them make their decision
00:40:52
on innocence and guilt. For me,
knowing that that's the reason
00:40:58
I'm appearing in court,
there's a nervousness to it.
00:41:04
NARRATOR:<i> Emma's testimony</i>
<i> was vital to prove</i>
00:41:06
<i> that the fire could</i>
<i> not have been started</i>
00:41:09
<i> by Elizabeth smoking in bed.</i>
00:41:12
PETER JOYCE: Elizabeth
never, on the evidence,
00:41:13
smoked in her room.
00:41:15
Secondly, she always smoked
in the kitchen or by the door--
00:41:18
the open door.
00:41:20
She didn't like people to smell
the fact she'd been smoking.
00:41:23
She didn't like people to see
that she'd been smoking, which
00:41:26
was why she'd put
the cigarette out under the tap
00:41:29
rather than leaving
a sort of smelly ember.
00:41:31
Basically, she hid
the fact that she'd
00:41:33
been smoking from the carers
coming from her sister.
00:41:36
They all knew she
smoked, but she was
00:41:39
the pretense that she didn't.
00:41:40
But she didn't take
cigarettes into her bedroom.
00:41:46
EMMA WILSON: Considering the
physical evidence that we have,
00:41:49
it's my view that it's
more likely that Karen
00:41:54
entered Elizabeth's bungalow,
went to her bedroom,
00:41:58
ignited a fire on the bed
whilst Elizabeth was in it,
00:42:05
and then left the property
and closed the door after her.
00:42:09
She then went
home, got changed,
00:42:12
and it is likely that she had
some sort of injury or wound
00:42:16
or burn on her arm,
and that's why she had a tail
00:42:18
covering it when she returned.
00:42:21
That when she returned,
she did enter a property
00:42:24
that was filled
with smoke and had
00:42:25
a fairly sizable fire within
it and pressed the care line.
00:42:31
It is likely that Elizabeth
became aware of the fire
00:42:35
because she wasn't
found in her bed.
00:42:37
She was found
by the firefighters
00:42:38
at the base of the bed
on the floor.
00:42:40
So she had made some
attempt to escape.
00:42:49
NARRATOR:
<i> The prosecution argued</i>
00:42:51
<i> that Karen's movement</i>
<i> on the night of the fire</i>
00:42:54
<i> clearly showed this was a crime</i>
<i> of planning and premeditation.</i>
00:43:00
- She went around
to Elizabeth's house
00:43:03
when Elizabeth
was in bed, having
00:43:07
been tucked up for the night by
the carers at about 6 o'clock.
00:43:11
And she went round
and set fire to the bed
00:43:14
whilst Elizabeth was in it.
00:43:16
Eventually, when she went
back for the second time,
00:43:21
pretending to find
the fire that she'd lit,
00:43:24
poor Elizabeth had
managed, however,
00:43:27
disabled to get out of bed
and was lying on the floor
00:43:31
at the foot of the bed.
00:43:33
And that's where she was
rescued by the firemen.
00:43:37
VICKY THAKORDAS-DESAI:
The event
00:43:39
shows a level of planning
and premeditation,
00:43:41
although there's clearly
evidence of a lack
00:43:44
of sophistication within that.
00:43:46
Karen had access
to the home and
00:43:50
started the fire in the home.
00:43:53
So for Karen, she was
intent upon doing this.
00:43:57
She planned it.
00:43:59
It was now or never.
00:44:00
She had to take the opportunity
and that's what she did--
00:44:04
starting the fire,
burning the house
00:44:07
down with Elizabeth in it.
00:44:10
NARRATOR:<i> On May 17, 2024, the</i>
<i> jury delivered their verdict.</i>
00:44:17
PETER JOYCE: She was
convicted of murder
00:44:18
unanimously by the jury.
00:44:20
No question
of a majority verdict.
00:44:24
EMMA WILSON:
Hearing the verdict,
00:44:26
it is almost like
a sense of completion
00:44:29
because to me
and the evidence that I had,
00:44:34
that is what I
would have expected
00:44:35
the jury to get from that.
00:44:38
PETER JOYCE: She
had to be given
00:44:40
life in prison, because that's
the only sentence for murder.
00:44:43
And in this case,
it was 32 years.
00:44:47
NARRATOR:<i> Despite</i>
<i> the successful conviction,</i>
00:44:50
<i> the verdict provided</i>
<i> mixed emotions</i>
00:44:52
<i> for Elizabeth's family.</i>
00:44:54
PETER JOYCE: I went to see
the family and friends.
00:44:56
It was then that it became--
00:44:58
I became aware just how
crossed the husband was.
00:45:01
Her husband was very
angry, not at the verdict.
00:45:06
He was very angry that the
initial police investigation
00:45:10
had wrongly arrested
him, because he
00:45:13
was nothing to do with
the killing of his mother.
00:45:15
He was livid that
he had been arrested
00:45:18
in the first investigation
and understandably.
00:45:24
VICKY THAKORDAS-DESAI: There
are no winners in this--
00:45:27
the tragedy of losing a mother
in the way that she was lost,
00:45:31
a grandmother in the way
that she was lost,
00:45:33
but equally a wife and a mother
who would have been detained
00:45:38
and is detained
for a very long time.
00:45:41
The psychological shadow
and effects of that would--
00:45:47
would be immense.
00:45:51
POPPY EVERTON: It's
very hard to imagine
00:45:52
how Elizabeth's
family would have been
00:45:55
affected by this situation.
00:45:57
I think it's very difficult
to think about them having
00:46:01
to pick up the pieces
of not only losing someone
00:46:06
that was very dear to them and
a huge part of their family,
00:46:09
but also who
the perpetrator was
00:46:11
and what the motivations
were is going
00:46:14
to be really, really
hard to come to terms
00:46:16
with as a family member.
00:46:19
It is almost a double betrayal.
00:46:22
You've lost somebody,
and the person
00:46:24
that has taken them from you
is also within your family.
00:46:26
[somber music]
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[exhilarating music]
