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[grim music]
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- He was always talking
to boys who had girlfriends,
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and he seemed to be
jealous of them.
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- You have someone, a boy,
who is actually very fragile.
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- He said that he
knew her routine,
00:00:25
and he also asked her,
how was school today?
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- This is somebody who
is hiding in plain sight.
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- He was buying weapons.
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He had really big zombie
knives in his possession.
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There was a killer
on the loose.
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[theme music]
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[ominous music]
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[camera shutter clicking]
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MICHAEL PRIDDLE:
I wanted to go out
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and photograph the moon, which
is my hobby, which I love.
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The cloud cover was too great,
so I decided to go home.
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I walked along the path,
and I heard the two
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screams coming from the beach.
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One was a long scream.
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The other one was a shorter
scream with an abrupt end.
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Coming around the corner
was where I first saw
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a man coming off the steps.
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He covered his
face with his hood.
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His hood moved, and under
this light, I saw his face.
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[grim music]
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The following morning,
the local newspaper said
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there had been a stabbing.
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- The whole attack
lasted six minutes.
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Six minutes doesn't
sound like a long time,
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but for someone who's being
stabbed over and over,
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that's an awfully long time
to being pursued by someone.
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- Tributes have been left
here to the woman who died.
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And another woman,
a 38-year-old,
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remains in hospital
with serious injuries.
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Dorset police are
urging people who
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have seen the man pictured
in this CCTV image
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to call them on 999
if they see him.
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- There was a killer
on the loose.
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[solemn music]
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ARDAM AFZAL: He came
here with his parents
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when he was really
young, and they came here
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to sort of make themselves
upstanding British citizens
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and part of the community.
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PIPPA AFZAL: It's
a great environment,
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lots of sports, lots
of outdoor activities,
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a great place, great
community, great support.
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I know a friend of mine
knew their neighbors
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and said they were
a really lovely family.
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- With Nasen Saadi, what we
have is a boy who started
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off wanting to be seen.
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He talked about how
he never really felt
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loved by his
family, and that is
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something that I wrestle with.
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Nasen Saadi wanted
to be seen as strong.
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He wanted to be
seen as masculine,
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ever since he was a little boy.
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That seems to be
all he's wanted,
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is to be included in order
to get that kind of attention
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that they're craving.
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[solemn music]
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ARDAM AFZAL: I first
met Nasen at college,
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and initially, I did
feel bad for him.
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He seemed to be a bit of an
outsider, a bit of a loner.
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He had strange
tendencies as well.
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The way he'd act around
people, and especially females,
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was very odd.
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He'd often come up to people
that he wouldn't know
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and act like they're friends.
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He was asking about
relationships because he really
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wanted to have
one, or he wanted
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to have some sort of intimate
relationship with a woman.
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He was always talking
to boys who had girlfriends,
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and he seemed to be
jealous of them.
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[intriguing music]
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- Now, of course,
this is teenage years,
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so hormones are racing.
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I don't find anything
particularly unusual in this,
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but clearly, this is
somebody who isn't forming
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relationships with girls.
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So these questions
that he's asking,
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which the other boys are
finding somewhat odd,
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are they going to get him
past the finishing post,
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if you like, and get
him a girlfriend?
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ARDAM AFZAL: He
talked to girls,
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whether they have boyfriends
or didn't have boyfriends
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and tried to maybe
flirt with them,
00:05:50
but he'd go from asking
them about themselves
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to insulting them.
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He thought it was
funny or that they
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were enjoying
the conversations,
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but they weren't.
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And they'd often tell him that.
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[grim music]
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He then went from talking
to people to sending
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different messages to people.
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I say this definitely
showed escalation.
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He'd send messages to these
girls who were younger than him
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that they're very pretty,
and the girls were a mixture
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of ages from 17 to 18.
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JULIA SHAW: He would send
these messages about how--
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initially, how
beautiful they were,
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how much he liked them,
how they were basically
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these princesses.
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[notification chime]
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And then if they didn't respond
within one or two messages,
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he would get aggressive.
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[notification chime]
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And he would slut-shame them.
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He would say,
actually, you're ugly,
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or, basically, you
don't deserve me, or
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use some other
kind of technique
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where he was either nagging.
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So maybe he was
intentionally trying
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to bring down
their self-esteem in order
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to make them more
receptive to his advances,
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or maybe what's more likely is
he felt rejected very quickly
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and then got really aggressive.
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[notification chime]
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And so you can see
in this messaging, which
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is common
for a subset of people
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who interact online,
especially a subset of boys,
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is that you have this
incredible rejection anxiety.
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You have someone, a boy,
who is actually very fragile
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going into this
situation, which they know
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is likely to result
in rejection,
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but they're also
incredibly scared of it.
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[grim music]
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[notification chime]
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ARDAM AFZAL: He did message
me on social media as well,
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sending me videos of him kind
of arm-wrestling or things
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like that.
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STUDENT: We've actually
found someone who's
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actually going to beat him.
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Just end it.
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[boy grunting]
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[boy chuckling]
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ARDAM AFZAL: And this
was an attempt
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at him trying to show
that he was strong
00:08:01
and that he wasn't
like a weak individual.
00:08:03
So not only did he
arm-wrestle people,
00:08:05
but then the video
of it would also be sent
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around to people like myself.
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KERRY DAYNES: So he's trying
to show himself as a manly guy.
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He's trying to show
himself as somebody
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who would be desirable,
maybe to women,
00:08:19
but also desirable as a very
manly friend to the other guys
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at school.
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[blow thuds]
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[boxing machine beeping]
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But it hints a little
bit at desperation.
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ARDAM AFZAL: I think he wanted
to give off the impression
00:08:40
of this sort of macho man who
went to the gym, but as far
00:08:43
as I can tell, he didn't.
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Actually, I think
he was more isolated
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individually with his devices.
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[grim music]
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Nasen had an unhealthy
obsession with girls
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at college, and he
tried to message girls
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that he didn't know.
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And I would say to him, why
are you messaging these girls?
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And it was all just sort
of I'm just talking to her
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or it's just a message.
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He did reveal to me,
I want a girlfriend,
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and there'd be lots
of girls that he'd
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tried to do this with.
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KERRY DAYNES:
To put it bluntly,
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Nasen Saadi he has no game
when he's talking to women.
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He's got no ability
to perspective take,
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so he's not
empathizing with them.
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He's not understanding
how that communication is
00:09:35
going to be received by them.
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He's just saying,
you're pretty.
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Do you want to go out?
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Do you want my number?
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So it smacks of desperation.
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And eventually, that
level of rejection,
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combined with his
lack of self-awareness
00:09:52
about it, his understanding
of why that is,
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has got to be really quite
stinging for an adolescent boy.
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ARDAM AFZAL: Nasen sent
me a message saying,
00:10:03
she probably thinks I'm ugly.
00:10:04
She didn't reply to me.
00:10:06
Maybe he was looking for some
sort of sympathy from me,
00:10:09
and he was hoping that I'd
say, you know, you're not ugly.
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JULIA SHAW: That, to me,
is perhaps actually
00:10:16
quite an honest
thing to say, but
00:10:18
it also shows a real
lack of self-confidence.
00:10:21
And often the most toxic kind
of aggression and grandiosity
00:10:26
come from that
vulnerability where
00:10:28
you don't feel good enough,
and so you're going to take
00:10:30
it out on somebody else.
00:10:31
And also, it could
lead to a hopelessness
00:10:34
in terms of feeling that
girls will never be into you.
00:10:39
So I'm going to have
to play the numbers,
00:10:41
just message lots and lots of
girls and see if anybody bites.
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And then if they do bite,
maybe also being mean to them,
00:10:46
because, well, you know, what's
wrong with you for liking me?
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And so that's where that
hostile vulnerability
00:10:53
is really horrible
and really manifests
00:10:56
as violence towards
others, even if it's
00:10:58
just psychological violence.
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[grim music]
00:11:04
ARDAM AFZAL: He'd message
from an Instagram account
00:11:05
that I originally
read as N skillz.
00:11:08
I later found out that it was
actually Nasen Saadi killz,
00:11:11
and it was his initials,
NS, and then killz.
00:11:15
- Setting up an account with
a fake name, or in this case
00:11:18
a pseudonym, Nskillz,
which is his initials.
00:11:24
But it totally depends
on what he did with it
00:11:28
and why he created it.
00:11:29
Hiding behind the anonymity of
this kind of internet interface
00:11:33
is going to embolden
him, especially
00:11:36
if he has these thoughts
in his head and he feels
00:11:39
rejected and now he is
using this to act out.
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[grim music]
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PIPPA AFZAL: One
of Nasen's messages
00:11:57
said that he had seen
her getting off the bus,
00:12:02
and he gave a specific
time that this girl
00:12:05
had got off at the station.
00:12:07
And he said that he
knew her routine,
00:12:10
and he also asked her,
how was school today?
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That is extremely threatening
in a message to a girl,
00:12:18
who is still a girl.
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KERRY DAYNES: When somebody
sends a message saying,
00:12:25
I know your routine,
there's one
00:12:27
of two things happening here.
00:12:29
This could be somebody
that we sometimes
00:12:31
refer to as a howler, so this
is somebody that makes lots
00:12:36
of noise in messages, is very
intimidating in messages,
00:12:41
but it is all noise.
00:12:43
There are actually no action.
00:12:47
Or it could be that he really
does know their routine,
00:12:51
in which case that takes him
into a category that we call
00:12:55
"hunters," because,
clearly, that would involve
00:12:58
stalking a woman
in order to ascertain
00:13:01
her movements and her routine.
00:13:05
ARDAM AFZAL: Nasen messaged
my sister, calling her pretty
00:13:08
and saying that
she was attractive
00:13:09
and that he wanted
to get to know her.
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[notification chime]
00:13:13
I then messaged Nasen and said,
you know, this is my sister.
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Don't message her.
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She's 17.
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Please stay away.
00:13:20
Later, Nasen showed up
at her place of work
00:13:23
and actually followed
her around her workplace
00:13:26
and harassed her and asked
her questions like,
00:13:30
are you Ardam's sister?
00:13:32
Can I be your boyfriend?
00:13:33
Can I have your number?
00:13:35
Which she ignored and then
actually tried to hide
00:13:38
from him within her work.
00:13:41
I said, what are you doing,
going and talking to my sister
00:13:44
and harassing her
at her place of work?
00:13:46
And he replied with that
he'd done nothing wrong.
00:13:49
He didn't see any issues
with what he had done.
00:13:51
So I thought I'd go
and speak to his parents
00:13:53
and let them know
what he'd been doing.
00:13:58
When Nasen arrived
at the house,
00:14:00
the first thing he said to me
as he got out of his car
00:14:03
was, I'll kill you.
00:14:06
PIPPA AFZAL: I was able
to get some really good advice
00:14:09
from my friend who
was telling me,
00:14:12
don't let your daughter
go out on her own.
00:14:14
Make sure you inform
her school and
00:14:16
her workplace of this
man, what he looks like,
00:14:19
what he's been doing.
00:14:20
[grim music]
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I felt that they were treating
it as a malicious communication
00:14:34
offense, and although
he was committing
00:14:37
that, he was also
committing stalking
00:14:40
and harassment as well.
00:14:43
I don't know how many other
young girls he did that to,
00:14:48
but certainly he
was making girls
00:14:51
feel uncomfortable
on a daily basis.
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JULIA SHAW: There's
so many people who have,
00:14:59
arguably, sounded the alarm,
and yet insufficient action
00:15:04
is happening.
00:15:06
And so he's able to continue
to harass these women and girls
00:15:09
and get away with it.
00:15:11
And so I could
also see how that
00:15:13
would embolden somebody
who is feeling rejected,
00:15:15
is feeling aggressive.
00:15:17
He might go, huh, what
else can I get away with?
00:15:20
[resonant music]
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PIPPA AFZAL: I went
into the police station
00:15:30
and met with a detective
who had spoken to Nasen.
00:15:35
She explained to me
that he understood
00:15:37
that his behavior was
wrong and he seemed really
00:15:40
remorseful for his behavior.
00:15:44
But it's so frustrating.
00:15:45
That's what it is.
00:15:47
It's just so frustrating that
they choose to believe him.
00:15:53
He was stalking and harassing
my daughter and my son as well.
00:15:57
And I said to her that
my biggest concern
00:16:01
was one day turning on the T--
00:16:12
turning on the television
and see that he had hurt
00:16:14
someone or killed someone.
00:16:20
[grim music]
00:16:32
- Nasen Saadi went
to university.
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He started
a criminology degree.
00:16:38
A police officer came
to Nasen Saadi's university
00:16:42
and gave a guest
lecture of a question
00:16:44
and answer sort of forum.
00:16:47
And he started asking questions
on different police forces--
00:16:52
how do different police
forces work together?
00:16:54
Do they share information?
00:16:56
And that's the question
where it's not
00:16:59
just curiosity about crime.
00:17:01
That's a very
practical question.
00:17:06
- In the context
of a criminology course,
00:17:09
which I have taught, it's
usual to ask weird questions.
00:17:14
The reason why in criminology
classes and criminal psychology
00:17:17
classes we discuss
these kinds of issues
00:17:19
and we specifically allow
these kinds of weird questions
00:17:21
is because, by understanding
how people do things
00:17:25
and why they do things,
we can prevent them.
00:17:27
So the whole point
of these courses
00:17:29
is that you have
these students who
00:17:30
are interested
in preventing crime.
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HANNAH KNIGHT: When Nasen
Saadi was asking questions,
00:17:37
it was about DNA.
00:17:39
It was about how police
can track DNA, or maybe
00:17:43
how they cannot find DNA.
00:17:46
The university lecturer
looked around the room,
00:17:49
and all the other university
students looked a bit confused.
00:17:52
But he kept pressing,
and he wanted to know,
00:17:54
and he wanted to know now.
00:17:56
It did prompt his university
lecturer to say to him,
00:18:00
you're not planning
a murder, are you?
00:18:04
- Nasen Saadi is displaying in
front of his whole criminology
00:18:09
set and lecturers, who are
police officers no less,
00:18:14
his rather morbid and lurid
fascination with all things
00:18:19
homicide, so this is somebody
who is hiding in plain sight.
00:18:24
[grim music]
00:18:34
- I saw a story of him going
into one of the dorm rooms that
00:18:39
was full of girls
with a water gun
00:18:42
and spraying girls that he
didn't know while at Greenwich.
00:18:48
- This is the kind
of thing that you
00:18:50
might expect boys to do,
having a laugh at university.
00:18:54
But take into account
the behavior
00:18:57
that goes before it and his
lack of relationship
00:19:01
with these girls that
he's squirting with water,
00:19:04
and also the fact
that he's filming this
00:19:06
and he puts it online.
00:19:08
So he's wanting
to humiliate these girls.
00:19:12
This is not a joke.
00:19:14
This is him escalating
to behaviors
00:19:18
that are intended
to punish the girls that
00:19:22
are not interested in him.
00:19:25
JULIA SHAW:
By posting this video
00:19:26
and getting this
positive response, or
00:19:28
what he perceives to be
a positive response,
00:19:30
he is potentially
reinforcing the idea
00:19:33
that this is acceptable
or even desirable
00:19:36
behavior, that this
is the kind of thing
00:19:38
he can do and get away with.
00:19:40
And there's a sinister
part of this,
00:19:42
which is that it feels
a little bit, in the context
00:19:46
of this case, like a test run.
00:19:49
[stirring music]
00:20:01
- At the start of 2024,
around January,
00:20:04
that's when his search
history started looking
00:20:06
into the types
of knives and different
00:20:09
types of high-profile murders.
00:20:12
He was buying weapons,
really big zombie knives
00:20:15
he had in his possession.
00:20:17
- He had posted a picture
of them on his Snapchat.
00:20:21
I think they were
a mixture of small knives
00:20:23
as well as slightly bigger
knives such as machetes
00:20:25
or those kind of weapons.
00:20:29
- Nasen Saadi has this
fascination with knives.
00:20:32
He's not reading social
cues as normal people would,
00:20:36
and he is sort of bragging
about the fact that he has them
00:20:39
and that he loves them.
00:20:40
And probably
the people around him
00:20:42
are going, that's pretty weird.
00:20:45
But in his mind, it's probably
a sign of, look at me.
00:20:48
Look at the strength.
00:20:50
- His mom and dad had
actually found these weapons
00:20:53
and taken them away from him.
00:20:55
Well, that goes from
a morbid curiosity
00:20:58
to your parents are
actually concerned
00:21:00
you're going to use that.
00:21:01
If you're having to physically
remove a weapon from him
00:21:04
because you don't know what
he's going to do with it,
00:21:06
I think that speaks
a lot about a person.
00:21:08
JULIA SHAW: Right
now, we're just down
00:21:09
this path of red flags,
and you can trace it.
00:21:14
It's just this clear pathway.
00:21:16
[grim music]
00:21:27
- An example of some
of the messages
00:21:29
that he sent to young girls--
00:21:30
WOMAN 1: "Why are you
talking like a roadman for?"
00:21:33
WOMAN 2: "Oh, shut up."
00:21:35
WOMAN 1: "I'm your boyfriend."
00:21:37
WOMAN 2: "Some weirdo."
00:21:39
WOMAN 1: "Ugly [bleep]"
00:21:40
WOMAN 2: "Get a life."
00:21:42
WOMAN 1: "Shh."
00:21:44
- At this point, we can see
that he is using much more
00:21:47
aggressive language
much earlier,
00:21:49
so he almost comes in with
this, I'm going to be rejected.
00:21:52
I'm just going
to get my slurring
00:21:54
as quickly as possible.
00:21:55
WOMAN 1: "Do you
have a boyfriend?"
00:21:57
WOMAN 2: "Yes, I do."
00:21:59
WOMAN 1: "I doubt it."
00:22:01
WOMAN 2: "You little gremlin."
00:22:03
WOMAN 1: "You [bleep]"
00:22:05
WOMAN 2: "Go bed.
00:22:06
You got school tomorrow."
00:22:08
WOMAN 1: "Good night, babe."
00:22:09
[grim music]
00:22:11
- He's just surrounded by this
invisibility where people don't
00:22:15
want anything to do with him.
00:22:19
And so I think he's
internalizing that,
00:22:21
and it's making him
increasingly aggressive,
00:22:22
increasingly angry,
and importantly,
00:22:26
increasingly misogynistic.
00:22:28
WOMAN 1: "You still
haven't blocked me, clown."
00:22:31
WOMAN 2: "Thanks
for reminding me."
00:22:34
JULIA SHAW: Occasionally
he even makes fun of them
00:22:37
for not blocking
him and for allowing
00:22:40
him to continue to harass them,
almost as if it's their failure
00:22:44
that he has shown up
and they didn't immediately
00:22:45
lock him out, even though
if they do lock him out,
00:22:47
he might show up
somewhere else.
00:22:49
WOMAN 1: "I feel sorry
for your parents.
00:22:51
They should have
had an abortion."
00:22:52
WOMAN 2: "Same.
00:22:54
They got the most beautiful
[bleep] on this earth.
00:22:56
Hide your dad."
00:22:57
WOMAN 1: "You would
have more followers
00:22:59
if you were beautiful."
00:23:00
WOMAN 2: "I removed
them all, babe."
00:23:03
WOMAN 1: "Baby."
00:23:05
- Oh, my God.
00:23:09
- At this point, I think he
has lost all respect for women,
00:23:13
and he is, most importantly,
normalized rejection.
00:23:19
He's just seeing closed
doors everywhere.
00:23:21
He tries his luck a little bit
and then expects rejection,
00:23:24
is rejected, and then he
does it again and does
00:23:26
it again and does it again.
00:23:29
It's a downward spiral where
you can see that he is just
00:23:31
getting more and more
frustrated, more and
00:23:33
more verbally aggressive
towards women,
00:23:35
and you can just
see it descending
00:23:39
and ascending and descending.
00:23:40
[grim music]
00:23:53
- By March 2024, months
before the murder,
00:23:57
that's when he started
looking up locations.
00:24:03
He started looking at the
different types of towns,
00:24:06
and is it easier
to get away with murder
00:24:08
if you do it in another town?
00:24:12
By April 2024, he was
looking at sandy beaches,
00:24:16
pebbly beaches; which are
easier to run on, sandy beaches
00:24:20
or pebbly beaches?
00:24:21
And once he landed on sand,
then he landed on Bournemouth.
00:24:26
And that's when it
started to go from there.
00:24:29
[stirring music]
00:24:46
By the 21st of May, he traveled
from his home in Croydon, and
00:24:51
he got a train to Bournemouth.
00:24:54
And CCTV showed him
wearing almost a disguise.
00:24:58
He was wearing
sunglasses, but he
00:24:59
was wearing them on the train
while he was sat on the train.
00:25:03
He then got a taxi
from the train station
00:25:06
over to his hotel.
00:25:10
The CCTV caught Nasen Saadi
arriving with his bag.
00:25:15
He went to the cinema.
00:25:17
He decided to watch
a horror movie.
00:25:20
It involved knives, and it
also involved the victims
00:25:23
trying to run away.
00:25:24
[eerie music]
00:25:29
KERRY DAYNES: When
he's rejected by women
00:25:33
and when he's
complained about or
00:25:36
he is put down, as he would
see it, by people in his world,
00:25:41
he feels very
small, and he feels
00:25:43
very powerless and worthless.
00:25:47
But when he starts
to think of himself
00:25:50
as the aggressor
in a slasher movie,
00:25:53
when he starts to think of
himself as this very cunning,
00:25:57
predatory killer, he
starts to feel big,
00:26:00
and he starts to feel powerful.
00:26:03
So for him, this fantasy
life is something that
00:26:06
is thrilling and exciting.
00:26:09
This is a salve, really,
to low self-esteem.
00:26:13
[grim music]
00:26:22
HANNAH KNIGHT:
On the day of the murder,
00:26:24
around half past 11:00
in the morning, Nasen Saadi
00:26:27
ended up visiting a shop.
00:26:29
It was quite an unremarkable
trip to the shop.
00:26:31
He just bought himself
a drink and a bag of crisps.
00:26:34
[resonant music]
00:26:43
Amie gray was a much loved
woman in the Dorset community.
00:26:50
She was married.
00:26:51
She had a wife.
00:26:53
She had a daughter, and she
has a very loving family.
00:26:58
And something that she
was really ingrained in
00:27:01
was the Dorset Futsal Club
that she soon became a part of.
00:27:07
And not only was she a team
member, she was the coach.
00:27:13
[ominous music]
00:27:28
Amie actually had
sport practice
00:27:30
that night, so I think she
was running a little bit late.
00:27:32
So Leanne got
to the beach first.
00:27:37
They went down
to the beach together,
00:27:39
and they set up
a little campfire.
00:27:41
And they had a picnic,
and they were just enjoying
00:27:44
the moonlit beach as friends.
00:27:49
You can see on CCTV
there fire, and that
00:27:52
indicates where they were sat.
00:28:00
About 11:38 PM, that was
when Nasen Saadi was seen
00:28:05
to step onto the promenade.
00:28:09
That was when he now made his
beeline to Leanne and Amie.
00:28:16
Leanne described
this young boy.
00:28:19
He walked over
to them, and they
00:28:21
both looked up at him as if he
was going to ask a question.
00:28:24
And she recalled Amie
almost smiling at him,
00:28:27
and the next thing
Leanne remembered
00:28:29
was him lunging towards her.
00:28:31
Now, she didn't know at that
point she'd been stabbed,
00:28:34
but Amie was shouting
at him to get off of her.
00:28:37
[woman screams]
00:28:39
And that's when he turned
his attention to Amie.
00:28:43
And Amie started running down
the beach, and he pursued her.
00:28:50
He's running after her,
and, inevitably, they meet.
00:28:53
And he stabs her
over and over again.
00:28:57
While this is happening,
Leanne, Amie's friend,
00:29:00
ran towards the promenade.
00:29:02
She ran towards the light,
and she thought someone
00:29:05
would be able to help them.
00:29:08
By the time she got
to the promenade,
00:29:10
the attacker had already
finished with Amie.
00:29:13
He was content.
00:29:15
He'd already killed her.
00:29:19
So he pursued Leanne again.
00:29:21
He ran to the promenade,
and he started
00:29:24
stabbing her over and over.
00:29:26
And Leanne said the only
thing she could do
00:29:28
was turn her back to him.
00:29:30
She said she didn't
want to look at him.
00:29:32
She didn't want
to look at his face.
00:29:34
She ended up having over 20
stab wounds all over her back,
00:29:37
and, miraculously,
she survived.
00:29:48
[stirring music]
00:30:02
The police absolutely scoured
the beach and the cliff top
00:30:06
for days trying to find
the murder weapon,
00:30:09
but they just never found it.
00:30:11
They never found the knife.
00:30:12
They never found the clothes.
00:30:13
They never found any forensics.
00:30:19
So all they had was
CCTV, and they were
00:30:22
able to backtrack from there.
00:30:26
CCTV showed the killer going
towards the zigzag steps,
00:30:31
and then it cut off from there.
00:30:33
It was almost a blind spot.
00:30:35
They lost him.
00:30:37
But he was wearing
a distinctive jumper,
00:30:40
and it was a dark jumper with
a gray sort of white stripe
00:30:43
across the front.
00:30:45
And that was how they were
able to trace the killer
00:30:47
through his movements.
00:30:49
And it was when they were
reviewing that CCTV footage
00:30:53
on the day
of the murder, they saw
00:30:55
a man wearing the exact same
hoodie going into a Nisa store.
00:31:00
And when police went
to that Nisa store
00:31:02
and tracked the card
transaction,
00:31:05
they found it
to be Nasen Saadi.
00:31:08
[grim music]
00:31:16
OFFICER 1: Hands on your head!
00:31:18
Walk down the stairs slowly!
00:31:21
Keep walking!
00:31:23
Keep walking!
00:31:26
Stop!
00:31:27
Turn around!
00:31:29
Walk backwards!
00:31:30
OFFICER 2: Hands on your head!
00:31:31
OFFICER 1: Walk backwards
towards my voice!
00:31:33
Walk backwards!
00:31:35
Keep walking!
00:31:36
Keep walking!
00:31:38
Bring him out.
00:31:39
- Out, out, out!
00:31:40
Come out, come out, come out!
00:31:42
OFFICER 1: Get on--
get on your knees.
00:31:44
Down on your knees!
00:31:45
Down on your knees!
00:31:46
- Look at me!
00:31:47
OFFICER 1: Stay there.
00:31:48
Do not move.
00:31:49
Nasen, you're under arrest
on suspicion of murder.
00:31:52
[grim music]
00:32:13
- He was facing two
serious charges,
00:32:17
one for murder of Amie
Gray, and attempted
00:32:21
murder of Leanne Miles.
00:32:23
DETECTIVE: From
the start, we've
00:32:24
said this is about us getting
answers, finding the truth.
00:32:28
- The only thing I noticed is
he appeared to me harmless.
00:32:33
DETECTIVE: It's about trying
to establish how Amie died,
00:32:37
how Leanne was
attacked, and why.
00:32:41
- Emotionally, he
appeared detached
00:32:44
as to the reality he's facing.
00:32:46
DETECTIVE: There's
lots of things here
00:32:48
that indicate that you are
the person responsible.
00:32:51
So I really think you've got
some important information
00:32:54
here, you've got some
answers here that can help us
00:32:57
deal with what's taken place.
00:32:58
- I haven't got any.
00:33:01
- He never stays still.
00:33:02
You can see he's fidgeting.
00:33:04
He's, you know, picking his
beards and then standing up.
00:33:10
His concentration level
is very, very low.
00:33:13
DETECTIVE: I think
what's preventing
00:33:15
you is the fact that,
as the evidence shows,
00:33:18
you are the male that is
responsible for the murder and
00:33:21
attempted murder.
00:33:22
You were on the beach
that night.
00:33:24
- But the beaches are,
like, popular places.
00:33:31
Many people-- on the CCTV that
you showed me, there were many,
00:33:34
like, people walking.
00:33:36
It's not just one person.
00:33:37
DETECTIVE: Is
there anything you
00:33:38
think we haven't understood?
00:33:40
- I think just because some--
00:33:43
someone is wearing the, um--
00:33:45
the same clothes, um,
is circumstantial.
00:33:51
[grim music]
00:33:56
- Talking about the fact
that his clothes are
00:33:58
sort of common clothes,
that lots of people
00:34:00
wear hoodies, that it's
circumstantial evidence,
00:34:03
which feels like a big word
to use in this context.
00:34:05
You could say
maybe he's putting
00:34:07
his criminology degree to use.
00:34:08
DETECTIVE: Do you think there's
anything we've not talked about
00:34:11
or asked you about
that's important
00:34:13
that you need to tell us?
00:34:15
- I'm just saying I'm wrongly
accused of mistaken identity.
00:34:20
And mistakes can happen.
00:34:22
And I'm just--
00:34:24
I'm not responsible.
00:34:27
JULIA SHAW: I think what's more
important here is that he's
00:34:30
maybe trying to use
that cleverness to show,
00:34:34
I know what I'm doing here.
00:34:35
I know what you're
doing here, and
00:34:37
I'm going to be clever
in this situation.
00:34:39
It's like he's trying
to manage the situation.
00:34:41
DETECTIVE: There's
lots of things here
00:34:42
that indicate that you are
the person responsible.
00:34:45
- And-- um, I'm
not responsible.
00:34:49
DETECTIVE: OK.
00:34:50
- And I have no reason to
attack someone for no reason.
00:34:54
DETECTIVE: Have you been
motivated by something else?
00:34:57
- No comment.
00:34:59
I wouldn't attack
someone for no reason.
00:35:03
JULIA SHAW: In the interview
with the police,
00:35:05
he says, I have no reason to
attack someone for no reason.
00:35:08
And what he's trying to say
is, what business do I have
00:35:11
attacking someone on a beach?
00:35:12
And you've got the wrong guy.
00:35:14
But you could interpret
that differently,
00:35:17
which is I have no reason to
attack someone for no reason,
00:35:20
because his mind maybe he
goes, but I have a reason.
00:35:23
DETECTIVE: Is there
something else
00:35:25
going on that will
be an explanation
00:35:27
as to what's then happened?
00:35:29
- I have no comment.
00:35:30
DETECTIVE: Your interests?
00:35:33
- That's related
to my university.
00:35:38
DETECTIVE: Your views
towards females?
00:35:42
- No comment.
00:35:45
JULIA SHAW: Overall,
what we have here
00:35:47
in the interrogation
is this person who
00:35:48
is juggling his
intelligence but
00:35:51
also his real
attitudes that he's
00:35:53
trying to probably conceal.
00:35:55
KERRY DAYNES: I
think that you only
00:35:56
have to look at the manosphere
that we have currently online,
00:36:01
and you have to look at the
growth of the incel culture
00:36:05
to really understand that
there are a lot of young boys
00:36:10
who feel rejected
and humiliated
00:36:13
by their inability to connect
with the opposite sex.
00:36:18
[grim music]
00:36:27
- I was called to do a photo
lineup of recognition.
00:36:32
Seeing that and the squareness
of the shoulders and
00:36:36
his facial expression, I was
100% the photo of number six
00:36:42
was the man that I
saw on the cliffs.
00:36:46
[grim music]
00:36:57
HANNAH KNIGHT:
At the start of the trial,
00:36:59
the prosecution said that
Nasen Saadi wanted to see how
00:37:03
it would feel to take a life.
00:37:05
He wanted to feel powerful.
00:37:07
And they said he wanted to see
what it'd be like to maim,
00:37:11
to butcher, to hurt someone.
00:37:15
They said maybe he didn't
like seeing people happily
00:37:19
enjoying their lives
and he wanted
00:37:21
to take that away from them.
00:37:30
- I think that you
only have to look
00:37:32
at the numbers
of young men and boys
00:37:36
who struggle with social
connection and interaction and
00:37:41
communication, and they're
being really groomed
00:37:45
into believing that women
and girls are mocking them or
00:37:50
laughing at them,
and that we don't
00:37:52
want to connect with them.
00:37:55
We want to reject them
for our own nefarious purposes.
00:38:00
Most incels, young
men, are lonely,
00:38:04
and they don't subscribe
to violence towards the sex
00:38:08
that they are attracted to.
00:38:10
But increasingly, that
is what we're seeing,
00:38:13
and I think that when we
take it to his n-th degree,
00:38:18
we have the kind
of behaviors that we
00:38:20
see displayed by Nasen Saadi.
00:38:23
HANNAH KNIGHT: The pathologist
gave extensive evidence
00:38:27
on Amie Gray's exact injuries.
00:38:30
She had 10 knife
wounds in total.
00:38:32
She had wounds to her
arms, to her chest.
00:38:35
One had even
penetrated her heart.
00:38:39
Leanne Miles was covered
with 20 knife wounds,
00:38:44
and both her and Amie
had defense injuries,
00:38:48
which showed they both tried
to fight their way out of this.
00:38:53
One of Leanne's
injuries had actually
00:38:55
caused her lung to collapse.
00:38:58
By the 18th of December,
2024, the jury
00:39:01
came back with
their guilty verdicts
00:39:04
after just over five hours--
00:39:07
guilty for both
the murder of Amie gray
00:39:09
and the attempted
murder of Leanne miles.
00:39:16
[grim music]
00:39:25
In his defense,
the barrister described him
00:39:27
as a social misfit of sorts.
00:39:29
He mostly had
a problem with women.
00:39:31
He didn't like it that he
wasn't recognized by women.
00:39:33
He didn't have girlfriends.
00:39:34
He didn't have friends.
00:39:36
And then this sort of hatred
began to build, I suppose,
00:39:39
and then this is what ended
up happening as a result.
00:39:42
- His defense barrister said
Saadi recognized his guilt
00:39:45
and demonstrated a willingness
to receive therapy.
00:39:48
He had significantly
low esteem and
00:39:50
a general sense of inadequacy.
00:39:53
- He later said, no
one ever recognized
00:39:55
me for when I did good things.
00:39:57
They only recognized
when I did bad things.
00:39:59
- "Infamy became
a valid goal in itself."
00:40:13
- Amie's family made
the decision that they wanted
00:40:16
to sit in the courtroom.
00:40:18
They didn't want to sit
in the public gallery.
00:40:20
They wanted to look
at Nasen Saadi.
00:40:24
JUSTICE CUTTS: "You admitted
your guilt for the first time
00:40:26
to Dr. Ruthenberg.
00:40:27
The clear evidence is
that you planned to kill
00:40:30
and went to Bournemouth
to do so.
00:40:32
I am satisfied from reading
the report of Dr. Ruthenberg
00:40:37
that you chose Amie
gray and Leanne Miles
00:40:39
because you have a grievance
against society as a whole
00:40:43
and women in particular.
00:40:45
No doubt you thought you had
committed the perfect crime."
00:40:50
- It's interesting to me that
there's these two components.
00:40:52
One is the desire
to commit this crime
00:40:55
and get away with it.
00:40:57
And then, on the other hand,
there's the choice of targets.
00:41:00
I think the one which is
whom he's going to murder
00:41:03
and choosing to murder
women, specifically women who
00:41:06
are isolated, women
who are on their own,
00:41:08
is almost certainly rooted
in his attitudes towards women,
00:41:12
that they are worth
less than men.
00:41:13
And so he has a real
hatred and aggression
00:41:15
towards women that he's able
to act out in that moment.
00:41:18
On the other hand, it's maybe
desire to test himself, to see,
00:41:24
could I get away with murder?
00:41:25
And I think it's quite likely
that he wanted both of them,
00:41:28
and they come from
different parts of him.
00:41:33
KERRY DAYNES: This
is somebody who
00:41:35
wasn't able to have the sexual
experiences that he wanted
00:41:40
in life, and so he
decided to replace those
00:41:43
with violent experiences.
00:41:46
- "Why did you do as you did?
00:41:48
Dr. Ruthenberg's report
shed some light on that.
00:41:53
You have experienced difficulty
in your life socializing and
00:41:57
communicating with others by
the reason of the fact you have
00:42:00
some autistic traits,
although you do not have
00:42:03
autistic spectrum disorder.
00:42:07
It seems that you have felt
humiliated and embarrassed
00:42:10
by repeated rejections
or perceived rejections of any
00:42:14
advances you have made,
particularly towards girls,
00:42:18
which over time has
resulted in a deeply
00:42:21
suppressed rage
directed towards society
00:42:24
and women in particular."
00:42:26
- Nasen Saadi, in my opinion,
had this deeply held rage,
00:42:31
as the judge pointed
out, but he had
00:42:34
created it entirely himself.
00:42:36
He was completely, in his mind,
a victim of circumstances,
00:42:40
but those circumstances
were firmly
00:42:43
created one aggressive
message at a time by himself.
00:42:49
So he built himself this
prison, this isolation that he
00:42:53
didn't have to live in.
00:42:55
Instead of trying
to deescalate those feelings,
00:42:58
he instead took it out
on these two women.
00:43:01
- "You developed an obsessional
fascination with violence,
00:43:05
horror, crime, and the mind
of those who kill,
00:43:09
and a deep-seated urge
for revenge against society."
00:43:13
KERRY DAYNES: Nasen
Saadi, I believe,
00:43:15
wanted to become
a serial killer,
00:43:17
and had he got away with his
attacks on Amie and Leanne,
00:43:21
that is potentially what
he might have become.
00:43:26
JUSTICE CUTTS: "In
Dr. Ruthenberg's view,
00:43:28
you identified yourself
with the mind of a killer
00:43:31
because you wished to feel
the power of which you
00:43:33
felt society had robbed you by
rejecting and humiliating you.
00:43:38
The idea of being recognized
as a dangerous killer
00:43:41
became appealing to you."
00:43:43
- I think the society that we
live in has almost put them
00:43:49
on this pop culture pedestal.
00:43:51
Even though they are seen
as aberrant and perverse,
00:43:59
they're also viewed as sexy,
even, sometimes, on occasion,
00:44:05
and people of note.
00:44:07
And I think that that is very
attractive to young men who
00:44:15
doubt themselves, doubt
their place in the world,
00:44:17
or inadequate.
00:44:19
[grim music]
00:44:30
- "You have found life
difficult by reason
00:44:32
of your autistic traits.
00:44:35
I accept Dr.
Ruthenberg's conclusion
00:44:37
that this impaired
your judgment,
00:44:40
and that once you
had considered
00:44:41
it appropriate to kill another,
you would have seen it through.
00:44:45
Nasen Saadi, for the murder
of Amie Gray,
00:44:48
I sentence you
to life imprisonment.
00:44:50
You will serve a minimum term
of 39 years and 64 days."
00:44:57
[solemn music]
00:45:00
- Nasen Saadi has not
been able to fulfill
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his loverboy fantasies
in the real world,
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and he feels powerless
as a result of that.
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And who has the power over him?
00:45:13
Well, of course,
it's women and girls.
00:45:15
They have the power
to reject him.
00:45:18
They have the power to make
him feel small about himself,
00:45:22
and he wants to take that
power and control back.
00:45:25
So he has identified being
a killer as a way to do this.
00:45:32
He thinks that
being a killer is
00:45:35
going to be the ultimate
experience of dominating and
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having power over
a woman, and I
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think that the girls
on the beach
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represented all the women
and girls in the world
00:45:48
at that point for Nasen Saadi.
00:46:03
[theme music]
