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if you are someone you know is
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experiencing domestic violence call the
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National Domestic Violence Hotline at
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1-800-799-7233
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observing the signs
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this sort of micro Expressions have
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discussed
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dissatisfaction with life in general I
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could never please detecting changing
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stories I'm trying to help you and I'm
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trying not to sign this we got a guy
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who's getting all kinds of advice from
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everybody most of all don't talk to
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anybody
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aggressive to volunteer information that
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will simply be twisted and used against
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me
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spotting when to hold back Steiger
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actually feels quite hard done by he
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feels that he was helping police with
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their inquiries I have put myself here
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as a result of being cooperative
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and when to close in my only goal in
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this was to locate Cassandra
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I'm broken I feel like giving up
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I'm Jessica a fox and I'm about to give
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you exclusive access into the secrets of
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the interrogation room see how the
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world's finest detectives armed with
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only their wits hone in on their
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suspects break down their lies and
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expose the shocking truth
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we'll examine the signs a suspect is
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lying while revealing the expert
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techniques that result in an
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all-important confession and justice for
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the victims and their families
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this is a very intelligent man and this
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is going to be a very very interested
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interview
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[Music]
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in Pensacola Florida 53 year old
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businessman Henry Steiger has violated
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his parole conditions after being
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convicted for fraud
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he is being held at Santa Rosa County
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Jail while cops investigate his
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financial activities
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I'll take these off while we talk and
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make it a little more comfortable okay
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nice people in that same chair
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let me ride back with you okay okay
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Henry how you doing oh not so great I
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think you guys know that though okay
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he's got bags under your eyes are you
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sleeping okay no I'm not sleeping okay
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I don't know do you really do you really
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care
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but detectives Alverson and Wilhite are
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not here to talk to Steiger about his
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fraud charges
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they're here to talk about a different
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investigation entirely I want to talk to
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you about some other stuff and uh
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it's come up and if you want I I would
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like to talk to you if you want to talk
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to me I'll try okay
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25 year old nurse Cassandra Robinson has
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been reported missing by one of her
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sisters
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Sandra is the mother of Henry steiger's
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18 month old daughter Evelyn at the time
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of her disappearance nearly six months
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ago they were living together even
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though according to Steiger they were no
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longer romantically involved
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until its arrest for the unrelated
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Financial crime Steiger had been helping
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the cops with their investigations
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around Cassandra's disappearance
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in a previous interview at his home
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Steiger explained that after Evelyn's
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first birthday Cassandra had decided
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that she would go away for some time
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alone to recharge her batteries
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it was planned in advance what was
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planned she said she was going on
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vacation oh yeah we had the little
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birthday party
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and her bags were right there ready to
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go
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so I knew she was leaving and she knew
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she was leaving and
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she left under the terms of much needed
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vacation which I was very sympathetic
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for
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but Cassandra's family haven't heard
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from her in nearly six months
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and neither has Tiger
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Kenny help detectives shed light on
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where she might have gone
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even though I've been told many times
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never talked to the police on many
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different sources
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and even though I've had my own negative
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experiences with talking to the FBI and
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the police in previous previously last
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year sure I've also had negative
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experiences talking with the two of you
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I've lost every
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very short period of time so I'm
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reticent
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that will only
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in the worst case scenario simply be
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twisted and used against me
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tiger
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I was quite impressed with how
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intelligent he is he's obviously very
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clever this is a man who loves his
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daughter and he's very family orientated
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I lost my business
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you got my car you got my my child is
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separated from me which is the worst
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thing and um you know I gave you the red
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so I'm losing the house
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my only goal in this was to locate
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Cassandra and find out what happened to
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her you know when when we came to your
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house that's what from what we talked
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about you know we didn't talk about your
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finances we did talk about my finances
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for some reason why did we pick that up
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I I have no idea it was at the initial
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home interview around the time of
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Cassandra's disappearance that Steiger
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inadvertently alerted the cops to his
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own Financial irregularities do you work
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I do roasting on developing proprietary
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technology for roasted coffee as well as
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new Delivery Systems how long I've been
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doing that
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process of forming all the normal
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so we had to take one of our kind of
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secretary people have him open it back
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again secretary
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give us the favor of opening to bank
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account along with the opening of the
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company bank account Julia major had
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also allowed Steiger to use his name for
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the purchase of two cars and the leasing
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of a storage unit
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because Steiger had been recently
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convicted of Fraud and was still on
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probation the detectives reported the
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unusual arrangements to the federal
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police
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as a result of that he has actually
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ended up in prison because of some sort
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of money laundering or irregularities in
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relation to his finances and now Steiger
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actually feels quite hard done by he
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feels that he was helping police with
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their inquiries
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he is really angry about it and blames
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the fact that he's in jail on the two
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investigators who are sitting in front
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of him basically he is accusing them of
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being the reason why he's currently
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sitting in the situation that he's in
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effectively and practically speaking you
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have disassembled everything that I've
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been working for
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I'm broken
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I feel like giving up
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and maybe that's your goal
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I also know that whenever there is a
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significant other he's the number one
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suspect I get that okay and so you have
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to start there
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Steiger is right although their
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relationship isn't a conventional one he
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is the father of Cassandra's child and
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the last person to have seen her before
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she vanished
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so my the most recent interaction with
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my attorney
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said to me
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for God's sakes
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do not speak to any police officers
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without an attorney present it can never
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do you any good
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that was the last piece of advice I got
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from
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my attorney
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now we got a guy who's pretty cagey he's
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in jail he's getting all kinds of advice
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from everybody most of all don't talk to
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anybody whatever you do don't talk okay
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quiet The Helpful Henry Steiger that
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detectives first encountered in his home
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has changed
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they've lost his trust which could be
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disastrous for their investigation into
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the fate of Cassandra Robinson
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stigma may not even be involved in
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Cassandra's disappearance and so they've
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got to build this Rapport they've got to
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have this sort of relationship where
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stoker may actually give them some
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information which could lead to another
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Avenue of Investigation so it's really
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important to do that
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all of these things that I've lost are a
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direct result of a single conversation
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with you
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I mean I I want to be cooperative I
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think you've seen me be cooperative
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and yet
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I have put myself here as a result of
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being cooperative
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so I don't know what to do
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you wanted to supply a list of questions
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that I could somehow prepare to answer
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or have my attorney look at as it says
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here
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Henry is definitely a control freak he's
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definitely being said he's the center of
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attention he wants to control this
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interview and he's letting detectives
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know from the get-go that I want to be
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in control here
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I believe that he's asked for those
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questions because he feels that he can
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he feels that he's mischief-making he
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feels that he's got the upper hand with
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the officers and he's trying his utmost
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to intimidate them as individuals
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there's an expression that says those
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that control the frame control the
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outcome and to me that means is that a
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police interview is dependent upon
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everyone playing their role and that
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means that the police are in a superior
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position the suspect is in a sort of
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submissive position but within the
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Stagger interview the stagger's not
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playing his role he's he's sort of
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manipulating the police officers if you
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like so right from the answer I thought
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this is a very intelligent man and this
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is going to be a very very interested
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interview
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the stakes are high for both sides of
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this interrogation
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for Henry Steiger it's about getting out
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of jail and being reunited with his baby
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daughter Evelyn for detectives Alverson
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and will height it's about finding out
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what has happened to Cassandra Robinson
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a young mother who has been missing for
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nearly six months
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coming up is Henry Steiger a hero
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I'm saving you and this child and this
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relationship is he actually saving her
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or is he controlling her or is he a
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deluded narcissist he's so
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overwhelmingly arrogant that he believes
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in his self prophecy
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the world that she had more respect for
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part of
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detectives Alverson and wilheit of the
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Pensacola Police Department are working
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an unusual missing person's case
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25 year old nurse Cassandra Robinson was
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reported missing on June 8th of 2018.
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neither friends family nor the father of
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her child Henry Steiger had seen her for
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six months
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when someone goes missing and it's
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somebody without me somebody who's not
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wealthy and has the ability to go
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missing on purpose right it's almost
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always bad news because most people they
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don't move five feet without their
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telephone
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I don't care who you are what country
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you live in how poor you are you almost
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always have a phone so when you're not
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finding any activity on their ATM cards
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their public aid cards their telephone
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and it goes about 72 hours something bad
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happened but Henry Steiger seems more
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worried about his finances and the
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possible fraud charges than Cassandra's
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whereabouts
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I can tell you that the the situation
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I'm in with the feds
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potentially be never ending
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they haven't they haven't charged me yet
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but they could
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it never ends
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and you can't defend yourself against
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them
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with a toddler to take care of on the
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outside it seems Justified for Steiger
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to be focused on his incarceration and
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financial plight
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but is he also being strategic
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Steiger continued to try and bring the
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whole discussion back to the federal
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charges the money laundering and the
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other items that he's involved in it was
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his way of trying to control the
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interview to steer the officers away
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from asking the questions for which
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they're actually there
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he was trying to avoid the delicate
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conversation Around The Disappearance of
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Cassandra
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put me in a spot where
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worst possible condition in my life
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well I don't know yourself
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I hope that's for a a good purpose in
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the end
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well I I hope it is you know because
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you've got that beautiful little girl
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you know I
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you know I I gotta find Cassandra
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the detective's primary motive going
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into this interview is to find out what
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happened to Cassandra they are going to
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show all the patients in the world and
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do whatever they have to to work through
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Henry's stumbling blocks the things that
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he's upset about the reasons he doesn't
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want to talk they will do whatever they
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feel they have to do to get to the point
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which is what they need to find out
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about Cassandra
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to get past Henry's defenses do Alverson
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tries moving to save her ground
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he stops talking about Cassandra's
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disappearance and instead inquires about
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their relationship
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Steiger takes the bait
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what was she was she like just just
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general disconcert right
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unset dissatisfaction with life in
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general
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just I could never please her
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and she was dissatisfied with our
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relationship in that I could not give
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her honestly what she wanted she wanted
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more of a a peer to peer romantic
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partnership
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kind of relation
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mostly it became me babysitting her and
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becoming a a caretaker for her and
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helping her up and you know maybe that's
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the Savior complex in me from being the
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big brother
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so when the relationship converts to and
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almost all my girlfriend relationships
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converted to Little Sister Big Brother
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relationships
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and then the you know
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Steiger and Cassandra first met four
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years earlier in 2014.
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he claims Cassandra was working in a
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strip club
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but after they became romantic
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he helped her begin a new life
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look I've put her through the nursing
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school I got her out of Pensacola she
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asked me help me get out of this drug
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scene and I made her get her own job and
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pay her own rent but I would have to
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come to town every once in a while and
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buy 400 worth of groceries for her and
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stock her up you know and she was living
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so
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meagerly I was proud of her
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she knows proud of her that relationship
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was I'm proud of you for this progress
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that you're making
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when Steiger talks about himself and he
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talks about his relationship with
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Cassandra he does talk about him saving
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her and he does seem to have this sort
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of Savior image of himself and that to
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me would straight away bring some alarm
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Bells because is he actually saving her
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or is he controlling her is he
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dominating her how much Freedom did she
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actually have
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in 2016 Cassandra became pregnant
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despite steiger's description of their
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failing relationship
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Cassandra moved in
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so to understand the context of the
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story I moved her in under the
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understanding
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um that I didn't know if the child was
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mine I didn't move her in case the child
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was mine I thought it was unwise of her
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to have that child in her condition of
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Life her position in life
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I'm saving I'm a saver right I'm saving
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you and this child and I put them in my
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guest bedroom so I didn't move them into
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my master bedroom I you know I didn't
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you're not here in the context of us
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being in a family relationship but I'm
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going to take care of you like a family
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relationship and that's really the best
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I can do for you
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that would be that's even a bigger deal
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well I mean you know the world changes
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for you when you realize you have a baby
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sure sure and I already loved her so it
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wasn't like it was an inconvenience do
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you think Cassandra wanted what she
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couldn't have
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you know I think she doesn't feel like
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she fits in with her family at all
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and I think
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the opportunity to
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in a different world than the world she
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was raised in right a world that she had
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more respect for
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and wanted to be a part of
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he delivers the traits of a psychopath
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he believes that he is the savior his
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arrogance is overwhelming you watch the
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interviews and the way that he delivers
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his answers and the way that he deals
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with the officers he is so
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overwhelmingly arrogant that he believes
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in his self-prophecy
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what he's really saying is that he
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believes himself to have this special
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purpose and his life to believe that
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he's got some sort of dispensation to do
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pretty much whatever he wants to whoever
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he wants
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the detective strategy is working
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no longer upset with them or defensive
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Steiger is confidently reaching out and
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taking the initiative to build rapport
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you don't much care who what people
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think about you more like this guy here
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who doesn't care what people think about
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it
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you uh I do really yeah
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okay I think everybody you know has a
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heart I do have a heart
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very compassionate
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pensional so I do care
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Steiger tries to ingratiate himself with
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the detectives he tries to build a
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rapport and at one point the detective
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shows a photograph of his own child
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shall we this is my do no wrong
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okay
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she can do no wrong
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so they they sort of build up this
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camaraderie but from the detective side
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of the coin that is good because he's
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building that friendship that Rapport
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that trust and that may then present a
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false sense of security which may allow
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Steiger to put his guard down because
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again it's about getting the truth you
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should know that I respect you and what
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you're doing in your job and that I hope
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I haven't said anything to make you feel
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like you've actually been very special
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to me okay good you've never said
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anything I've had people say all kind of
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crazy stuff yeah it's always been very
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respectful
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so after
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you know use that against you
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when the detective asked him did
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Cassandra were threaten to take the baby
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away from him they're trying to give him
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a uh it's a segue into going well and
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how did you feel about that and what
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were you willing to do about it and how
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far are you willing to go to prevent
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that from happening and that's one of
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those questions you hope he bites on and
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maybe he over commits to it she used
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that against me before she knew it was
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mine before I don't remember what's mine
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she did that all along did it ever make
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you nervous when she would say that kind
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of stuff
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that she was gonna actually do it her
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whole life made me nervous yeah she's
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not a controllable person right
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when she said that she was going to go
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on her vacation
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did she say that she was going to take
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Evelyn with her no no
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she needed a vacation from the schedule
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and you were like
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okay I wasn't like that it was like I
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was sympathetic to her reason for
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wanting to go which was the schedule the
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schedule is driving her nuts
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so in terms of starting his responses in
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respect of his daughter and his partner
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you know most of the two very different
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responses when he speaks about the
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partner this sort of micro expressions
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of disgust if you slow down the footage
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you'll see those crinkle and it's a sort
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of bad smell sort of you know they're
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almost imperceptible to the human eye so
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that tells me that you know he adds up
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to contempt really for her and not much
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respect it's clear that he really
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idolizes the daughter you know she's
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gone on a complete pedestal
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how long was it
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didn't reach a bottle
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when she's done with it Like a Surgeon
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she just
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hands it to me right without looking at
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me
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take it I take it set it on the table
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and then she curls up and
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goes to sleep and then in the middle of
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the night or when she's thirsty she'll
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sit up and just point get me something
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and I'll reach for the bottle there's
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different colors of bottles and she
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knows which one she wants
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is that the love of a father or is that
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somebody who doesn't want that child to
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be a possession of someone else so the
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love of a father wouldn't take away
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jealousy hate and all the other
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indicators in this particular person's
00:24:09
case
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he does not want Cassandra to be
00:24:14
part of this child's life
00:24:21
so can we go back to our life please
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Henry Steiger has opened up about his
00:24:27
relationship with Cassandra claiming
00:24:29
they were no longer romantically
00:24:30
involved when she disappeared and
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despite her being the mother of his
00:24:35
child he has portrayed her as an
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unreliable absent parent for whom he has
00:24:40
little respect
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but for the cops this is a red flag they
00:24:47
believe a controlling deluded narcissist
00:24:50
has revealed himself
00:24:54
now that Henry is feeling confident
00:24:57
detective Alverson is ready to move in
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with evidence that they've been holding
00:25:02
back on in an attempt to finally get to
00:25:05
the truth about Cassandra Robinson
00:25:13
coming up
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shocking evidence Steiger can't deny
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do you recognize these containers
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at this time the owner
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could there be an explanation well it is
00:25:33
and that's my problem
00:25:35
even at this point he contact
00:25:36
responsibility that's who he is to his
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call
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Henry Steiger says his on off girlfriend
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Cassandra Robinson went away on vacation
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but never returned
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that was six months ago claiming their
00:25:56
relationship was already over when she
00:25:58
left he has been happily so parenting
00:26:01
their daughter Evelyn ever since
00:26:04
the interrogation room has become a
00:26:06
place of trust and friendly chat as
00:26:09
Steiger and the detectives compete to
00:26:11
charm and seduce each other
00:26:13
but their game of cat and mouse is about
00:26:16
to end
00:26:19
we've got to appreciate you know the
00:26:21
more that obvious child is missing she's
00:26:22
been missing for some time
00:26:25
and in most people's minds you know
00:26:26
they're be fronted they'd be fraught
00:26:28
they'd want to do everything they could
00:26:29
to find the person you know they'd be
00:26:31
anxious crying to be waves of different
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emotion anxiety anger fear not knowing
00:26:37
what's going on and yet this is a man
00:26:39
that just wants to have fun with the
00:26:41
cops
00:26:43
so Henry thought he was a filibuster he
00:26:46
thought that he was doing everything
00:26:47
right in order to obfuscate what the
00:26:49
officers were asking he didn't think for
00:26:52
one minute those officers any form of
00:26:54
evidence to link him to The
00:26:56
Disappearance of Cassandra
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cops have been busy investigating
00:27:01
steiger's life
00:27:03
they've discovered he owns a large
00:27:05
trailer for storing hot air balloon
00:27:07
equipment
00:27:08
it's parked at business associates
00:27:11
Shelby Johnson's property on the
00:27:13
outskirts of Pensacola in this
00:27:16
investigation things have developed and
00:27:18
I've learned more about you and about
00:27:21
this whole situation
00:27:23
so two days ago
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Mr
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and he said that you had a trailer on
00:27:31
his property that had the balloon stuff
00:27:33
in it
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is that true that you have a trainer
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over there at his property that has your
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ballooning stuff in it
00:27:41
how long has it been parked there
00:27:47
I don't know
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um
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he told me about mine
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where was it parked before that
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um it was at my house
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when they mentioned Shelby and the
00:28:05
trailer all of a sudden you notice Henry
00:28:08
touches his face
00:28:10
he also has this blinking that suddenly
00:28:13
starts to happen
00:28:15
so there were a lot of non-verbal cues
00:28:17
that he was giving at that time during
00:28:19
their their part of the questioning that
00:28:21
were indicative of discomfort not
00:28:25
wanting to be there
00:28:28
up until that point he's very animated
00:28:30
he sits forward he's waving his arms
00:28:33
around he gesticulates you know he's
00:28:35
very very animated but as soon as they
00:28:38
start talking about the trailer he
00:28:40
withdraws he becomes a lot more quiet
00:28:43
and he's now at the point where he's
00:28:45
thinking about how do I control the
00:28:48
situation now
00:28:49
detective Alverson has been playing with
00:28:52
Steiger all along building him up
00:28:55
feeding his ego now she will start to
00:28:58
break him down fact by fact
00:29:02
so one of the things officers are
00:29:04
trained to do is a thing called staged
00:29:06
disclosure what they do is they drip
00:29:09
feed things and introduce them into the
00:29:11
interview and that's done in this
00:29:13
particular interview to Great effects
00:29:17
trailer and took some pictures of it is
00:29:21
that is that it is that your trailer
00:29:24
you know we're aware the fact you've got
00:29:26
this trailer but then they every few
00:29:28
minutes introduced a little bit more
00:29:29
evidence
00:29:30
I was back here trying to get the tag
00:29:33
number off the back back here
00:29:35
and I detected it an odor
00:29:39
an odor that I recognized very well for
00:29:42
doing this job
00:29:44
I use analogy of someone juggling balls
00:29:46
every time they give starter a bit more
00:29:49
information they're saying right now
00:29:50
juggle that now juggle that
00:29:55
decomposition
00:29:57
from human body
00:30:00
okay
00:30:01
so we
00:30:03
trailer out and we open up the door
00:30:07
has been found under
00:30:09
I guess this is your basket for your hot
00:30:13
air balloons so we pulled it out
00:30:17
these containers were here
00:30:19
do you recognize these containers
00:30:23
at this time the odor decomposition very
00:30:26
strong
00:30:28
there was the smell of death and we
00:30:31
found this and we found that and then we
00:30:34
located this this container here
00:30:38
do you recognize this container
00:30:42
and ultimately
00:30:43
we've discovered the body
00:30:47
that that's I'm trying to figure that
00:30:50
out how
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in this Barrel
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sealed
00:30:56
in your balloon train
00:30:59
part
00:31:01
the Shelby's property
00:31:04
I'm trying to figure out how and of all
00:31:06
that can happen
00:31:08
So eventually what happens is his brain
00:31:11
goes into critical cognitive overload so
00:31:14
it can no longer juggle the balls and
00:31:17
then what tends to happen is the person
00:31:19
just effectively drops the balls and
00:31:21
that's when confessions come
00:31:31
something happened
00:31:34
when the female detective moves in close
00:31:36
to him that's a specific move that
00:31:39
interrogator makes to close the space
00:31:41
okay now we're friends we're close and
00:31:44
now we're closer and when I get close to
00:31:46
I'm going to touch you maybe because
00:31:47
that's going to humanize you all right
00:31:49
that touch is going to disarm you and
00:31:51
make you feel like I like you I'm your
00:31:54
friend uh it's it's a uh it's an
00:31:56
intimate move on a part of an
00:31:58
interrogator it's often will break the
00:32:00
dam and he'll just give it up at that
00:32:03
point
00:32:04
I don't think it was a planned on
00:32:07
purpose because you love little Evelyn
00:32:10
and I don't think you would do anything
00:32:13
to harm Evelyn or harm Ellen's mother of
00:32:18
course not
00:32:26
well
00:32:27
it is a story that uh I don't think
00:32:32
anyone would believe
00:32:35
and that's my problem
00:32:38
even at this point he now knows that he
00:32:41
is caught they have his trailer they
00:32:43
have his keys that open the trailer and
00:32:47
they have Cassandra's body in the barrel
00:32:49
in the trailer and he's like it's an
00:32:51
unbelievable story that nobody else will
00:32:53
believe
00:32:55
I can't take responsibility
00:32:58
that's who he is to his call it's
00:33:00
everybody else's fault
00:33:02
despite being confronted by irrefutable
00:33:04
evidence that he murdered Cassandra
00:33:07
Robinson Steiger is in no mood to admit
00:33:10
it detective Alverson has conducted a
00:33:13
clever non-confrontational interview
00:33:16
that's worked very well to this point
00:33:18
but to get a confession from Steiger she
00:33:21
will need to penetrate the entrenched
00:33:23
narcissism of a remorseless killer
00:33:28
coming up can detective Alverson get a
00:33:32
confession
00:33:37
he's so arrogant and he believes that he
00:33:40
can control the direction of that
00:33:42
interview
00:33:43
and Steiger faces the horror of what
00:33:46
he's done
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the police interrogation of Henry
00:33:59
Steiger Over The Disappearance of his on
00:34:02
off girlfriend Cassandra Robinson has
00:34:04
been a high-stakes game of psychology
00:34:07
each side careful not to give too much
00:34:10
away
00:34:11
finally detective Alverson has played
00:34:14
her trump card
00:34:15
she revealed that they found Cassandra's
00:34:18
decomposing body in a barrel in
00:34:21
steiger's trailer
00:34:22
her hope is to overwhelm Steiger with a
00:34:25
chain of shocking evidence that would
00:34:28
lure him into a confession
00:34:31
is it your trailer yes are these your
00:34:33
containers yes so now we're building on
00:34:35
these Admissions and once you get them
00:34:37
into the yes mode
00:34:39
and in fact oh is that Cassandra's body
00:34:42
up yes and you put it there didn't you
00:34:45
Henry yes that's your goal you want the
00:34:47
confession
00:34:49
but so far Steiger hasn't surrendered
00:34:52
and he isn't done playing games
00:34:57
it is a story that I don't think
00:35:01
anyone would believe
00:35:04
that's my problem well I would like to
00:35:07
hear it
00:35:08
it's not a matter of something that I
00:35:10
have any kind of confidence that anybody
00:35:13
would um
00:35:16
would really understand
00:35:19
this is this is a heavy heavy load for
00:35:22
you to be having to deal with I can
00:35:24
imagine what you
00:35:27
want your piece with
00:35:28
with what occurred I I understand it I'm
00:35:33
not not I'm not happy about it but I
00:35:36
understand it I don't think I can get
00:35:38
anyone else to understand it so I
00:35:40
haven't I haven't explained it to anyone
00:35:43
I haven't shared it with anyone
00:35:47
so I guess this is the part where I need
00:35:50
an assistant to help me decide what to
00:35:54
say and what not to say
00:35:56
I mean I I can't help you and I can't
00:35:59
help
00:36:00
just tell your story if I don't know it
00:36:03
and I probably need assistance in
00:36:08
presenting us professional assistance in
00:36:11
presenting that story
00:36:16
he needs
00:36:17
and he decides to stop to
00:36:19
and to be honest I'm quite surprised
00:36:21
that he didn't ask for legal
00:36:23
representation earlier but I think that
00:36:25
that's part of his arrogance he believes
00:36:28
that he can control the direction of
00:36:30
that interview he believed he was more
00:36:32
intelligent he believed that he had the
00:36:34
brains to overcome the evidence the
00:36:37
detectives all these factors that were
00:36:40
going to point at him and at this point
00:36:42
he realizes he's not and he does need
00:36:45
help
00:36:47
before Steiger shuts the door completely
00:36:49
detective Alverson makes a final move
00:36:53
she tries to connect him emotionally
00:36:55
with the brutality of what he's done
00:36:58
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00:37:03
by showing him a picture of Cassandra's
00:37:07
remains what she looks like after
00:37:09
spending an extended period of time in
00:37:13
this Barrel in a trailer in the heat is
00:37:17
definitely to gauge Henry's response see
00:37:21
what how does it affect him is this
00:37:23
something that's going to make him feel
00:37:26
like he needs to talk to her he needs to
00:37:28
confess like what's good what's it going
00:37:30
to do
00:37:31
what's interesting to me is that Henry
00:37:33
actually just stared at it and then lean
00:37:36
forward and had a really good look at
00:37:39
the picture which I thought was very
00:37:41
telling
00:37:42
they've got the evidence they've got
00:37:44
enough to convict him there's no
00:37:46
question about it but everybody listen
00:37:48
you do an interrogation to get a
00:37:50
confession that's your goal that's the
00:37:51
end game
00:37:53
but will it be enough to get Steiger to
00:37:56
confess
00:37:58
I want to believe that you're
00:38:00
I want to believe you're a good person
00:38:03
and if you're going to be you know
00:38:06
you're you're a good dad that's what I
00:38:08
was believing
00:38:12
thank you
00:38:14
that you're not leaving me any other
00:38:16
choice but to believe this is a bad
00:38:19
thing and a monster did that
00:38:21
um
00:38:28
well you think I need the opportunity to
00:38:31
explain to you with professional
00:38:33
assistance
00:38:34
I understand
00:38:44
hi I don't know if I'll stay again
00:38:47
unless you come and let me come over
00:38:49
here that I wish you the best
00:38:52
thank you don't pray for Evelyn and pray
00:38:54
for you thank you
00:38:58
praying for Cassandra and Cassandra's
00:39:01
family
00:39:03
okay
00:39:05
thank you everyone
00:39:10
and those candles are lit and she blows
00:39:13
them out
00:39:14
tell her to make a wish
00:39:16
I hope her soul wishes and every year
00:39:19
that her mom was here
00:39:21
I think that he that's definitely an
00:39:23
indication to Henry what he actually
00:39:27
thinks of Henry
00:39:29
um that he feels like Henry's ripped
00:39:32
the mother of Evelyn away and that's
00:39:34
what the perception of so this nice guy
00:39:37
game that they were playing the whole
00:39:39
time was really their job
00:39:43
with Steiger in jail and going nowhere
00:39:46
the cops spend another two weeks
00:39:48
Gathering evidence
00:39:50
an autopsy report concluded that
00:39:52
Cassandra had been murdered but because
00:39:55
of the decomposition of her body the
00:39:57
manner in which she was killed could not
00:40:00
be determined
00:40:01
nevertheless on July 27th of 2018 Henry
00:40:07
Steiger was charged with the
00:40:09
second-degree murder of Sandra Robinson
00:40:13
they obviously charged Henry with
00:40:16
second-degree murder in this
00:40:17
investigation because those were the
00:40:18
elements of the crime that they could
00:40:20
prove
00:40:21
possibly one of the elements of
00:40:23
first-degree murder the premeditated
00:40:25
part was absent in the evidence that
00:40:28
they had available at the time
00:40:30
Steiger pled not guilty determined to
00:40:33
have his day in court here he would
00:40:36
finally explain what happened to
00:40:38
Cassandra
00:40:40
he stated that she died at her own hand
00:40:42
by way of a shopping bag
00:40:45
suggesting that she's committed suicide
00:40:47
or it was an accident he's suffocating
00:40:50
herself accidentally on purpose just
00:40:53
just more ridiculous grasping at straws
00:40:56
but when you're desperate you'll say or
00:40:59
do anything
00:41:01
the prosecution presented a very
00:41:03
different story
00:41:04
it was based on forensic evidence and
00:41:07
the extraordinary testimony of steiger's
00:41:10
Junior business partner
00:41:12
Julian major confessed to helping
00:41:14
Steiger conceal Cassandra's body Steiger
00:41:17
told him that after an argument
00:41:19
Cassandra decided to leave with their
00:41:22
daughter
00:41:23
he had then started to strangle her
00:41:26
Sandra was unable to fight back
00:41:29
because she was holding and protecting
00:41:32
their child
00:41:32
[Music]
00:41:35
he was found guilty and he was sentenced
00:41:39
to life imprisonment
00:41:40
he did appeal against both these
00:41:43
sentences and failed in his Appeals
00:41:46
[Music]
00:41:49
guys like Henry it's all about them
00:41:52
grave telling everybody they're innocent
00:41:55
they didn't commit this crime Etc
00:41:56
because Henry wants it his way all the
00:41:59
time
00:42:00
[Music]
00:42:06
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00:42:26
thank you
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