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Where's Antonio Gracias? Bring him up.
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How bad is it? How messed up is our
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government? So, if Twitter was like the
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JV league, this is like the NBA. It's
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the most complex thing I've ever seen.
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How is he able to find big balls? Where
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do they show up? Do they just apply out
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of the blue? I mean, where do these guys
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come from? You found some people who
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were illegal immigrants who registered
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to vote. Yes, this is actually true.
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Every vote that is cast illegal in
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America nullifies the vote of an
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American citizen. So, Antonio, we we
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know you're very busy because you
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decided, like a couple of our other
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friends, to take a second job working in
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our government for a 100 or so days.
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Yeah. Give him a round of applause for
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that.
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Um, you know, Trump is a unique
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individual in all the world. There's
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maybe polarizing in some ways, but one
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thing that's not polarizing is Doge. I
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think everybody wants to see waste,
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fraud, and abuse and controlled spending
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in government. Maybe there's some
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questions about how fast it's going, but
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we all know you and Elon like to go, you
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know, at a brisk
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pace. You laid back and you joined a
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little later in the process, like a
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stat. You joined maybe what, 15, 20 days
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ago. Uh, I've been there for eight
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weeks. Eight weeks. Okay. So like yeah
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60 60 days and you went public with it
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maybe a couple weeks ago. Yeah. I wasn't
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with law Maryland for the first four
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weeks so you didn't know I was there.
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Yes. So um so how bad is it? How how
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messed up is our government? How insane
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are the processes? You're a process guy.
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You know we both worked on the the
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Twitter uh acquisition and the and the
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transfer there and did all the zerobased
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budgeting. I mean, maybe compare and
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contrast it to that which was maybe one
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of the most horrific corporate entities
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I've ever seen in my life and how that
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was being run. It was tough. Um, well,
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let me start with thank you guys. Thank
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you for having me. I really appreciate
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it. It's great to be down here to see
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everybody. Um, and let me also say that
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it's an honor to serve America. Like
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whatever I am doing, I am grateful to be
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able to do it. I'm grateful my partners
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for allowing me to do it and my clients
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for supporting it. And it is it truly is
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an honor to be there. There's many great
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people in the government trying to help.
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So, let me start with that. Yeah,
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please. Yeah.
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It is a sacrifice, right? You're you're
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taking time out of your day job. It's
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definitely a sacrifice, but it it it
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really I feel very grateful that I have
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the capacity and 30 years of training in
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lead operations that I can be useful.
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You know, that feels very feels I feel
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with gratitude. Yeah. How bad is it? Uh
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so if Twitter was like the the JV
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league, this is like the NBA. Um it's
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the most complex thing I've ever seen. I
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have in uh our office in DC, I have a
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I've mapped now as an example the entire
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system of like basically from the border
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to the benefits programs. It's about a
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40ft board and it looks like a bos. It's
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I mean it's an incredible uh like
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spaghetti gram of stuff and yeah, I've
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never seen anything so complex in my
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life. So the answer to your question is
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it's worse than I thought. much much
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worse than what we saw at Twitter now X
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and America Americans and all of you we
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deserve better. Okay. If we were
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to and I'm sure Chimath has some
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questions in Freeberry, but if we were
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to look at $1 spent by our government,
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waste, fraud, abuse, how many pennies of
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the dollar is it? If you had to just
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based on what you've seen so far,
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arrange here's sad. If you go into any
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company, any company you guys has ever
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seen that is not like super wellrun, it
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probably is like easy cut 15%. Easy,
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easy, easy.
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Um, this is where the 15 this is where
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the the trillion dollar number came
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from. 15% of of $7 billion. I think if
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we had the political will, you'd easily
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get that 15% no problem. um not without
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any problem at all and without cutting
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the core uh entitlement programs. So
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it's definitely there. The question is
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do people want to do it or not? And
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remember every dollar we take we are
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taking from an NGO or a beltway
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consultant. You know it's it's actually
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that people are screaming about this
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because we're taking money from them. Um
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and it it is whatever you read in the
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news media I got to tell you it isn't
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true. I mean um the cuts I think it's
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88% of of the people that have left the
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government have taken packages. The
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packages are very lucrative. uh there
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sort of you know 9 months or so of
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severance. Um and they're they're
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voluntary. So yeah, I tell you and I
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also say the people that work in
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government who are good, there's lots of
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good people in the government that I
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have met and have pointed this at all
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this stuff. They deserve better. Okay,
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imagine trying to be a civil servant.
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You want to do the right thing. You're
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working there because you care about
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America and you're in this like massive
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bureaucratic morass with all this stuff
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on top of you. And man, I've seen like
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I've seen OIG reports where they the
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people have reported to OIG like sex
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trafficking and they turn it in and
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nothing happens. Like literally nothing
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happens. Okay. So that's very
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frustrating and they stick it out. They
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keep going and they keep working hard
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for America. So I I think it's it's not
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just about the cost cuts, it's about the
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culture like the culture change of
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allowing allowing good people who are in
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the government to understand that
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someone's listening that with when they
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want to make improvement change or when
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they find fraud, waste and abuse, they
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can do it and there's an avenue now to
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do it. Uh I think that's actually going
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to be one of the most important lasting
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thing we leave is this idea that your
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voice matters in the government that
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there are good people in the government
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and when they want to do the right thing
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there's a way to do it and you got
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people coming back to work in the
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office. Oh, I have to tell you. So, um,
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you know, we have been pillaried often
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in the press for security where I
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started. And, um, here are the facts.
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When I got there, just like at Twitter,
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the parking lot was empty. And I'm
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talking about stadiumsiz parking, okay?
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Empty. Uh, the office was empty. There
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was no one in the corporate office, the
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headquarters office in Woodland,
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Maryland. Um, and then I we because we
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follow our process of mapping from like
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end to end the system. We went to visit
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a couple offices. I went to one myself.
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The one that I went to, there were about
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20 people in the waiting room. There
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were seven people in the windows. Of the
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seven people, three had their shades
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half down. Those people were taking
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phone calls because during CO, they
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turned everyone into phone operators.
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And we learned is they were still
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running on CO operations. So we have now
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um through our efforts and efforts of
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the inter administrator brought everyone
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back to the office and back to the
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offices in the field. We haven't closed
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one field office, not one since we've
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been there. Everything you're reading
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about service levels is not true. Um,
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what I saw, imagine how frustrating that
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is if you're you're waiting in the
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waiting room, you see seven windows out
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of 25 open and three other people are
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taking phone calls and you're waiting. I
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mean, talk about customer service. So,
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look, like in in all the companies that
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we all run, we always talk about using
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incentives to shape the outcome you
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want. And I think you keep insisting,
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which I think is right, that civil
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servants by and large want the right
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things to happen. That's why they chose
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to go and work for the government. So
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what is the incentive we need to change?
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Is it a compensation incentive? Is it
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like what like what is it? Look, I think
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the people that work in the government,
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it's a normal distribution of
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everything, right? It's two and a half
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million people in the government plus
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contractors. And you know, some people
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are great, some people aren't great and
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every a lot of people in the middle and
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the people in the middle react to the
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incentives as you as you point out. I
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think the most important thing here is
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transparency of the metrics because they
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these folks aren't there for the money.
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Many of them are very good because we're
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make money somewhere else. The
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incentives we should create are uh
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transparency and some basic metrics.
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They know how they're doing. You know,
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we we were as example at social
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security. We were criticized for the
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website uptime. Well, turns out web set
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up time has been better since we got
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there than after. Imagine we have
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engineers and we've now uh published the
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metrics in the website publicly so
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people would see it. So the engineering
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team now managed the website can see um
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you know that they're doing a good job
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or not doing a good job and the public
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can see they're doing a good job or not
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doing a good job. I I don't think
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financial incentives are always useful
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but this is not just about money like
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for example if you if you look at
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Singapore
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the Singaporean approach from Lee Kuanu
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was let's create a a government that is
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extremely
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uh empowered but let's also make it
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quite small let's make them well
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compensated and let's try to find sort
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of an elite cadri of folks is that
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approach possible in the United States
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or should we even think that we should
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try something like that?
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I mean, look, Singapore is a unique ex a
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unique experiment in the world. It's
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also a place where you uh you know, you
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might wind up getting caneed if you drop
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chewing gum on the on the ground. Okay.
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So, um in America where we have a
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different a different level of um I
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would say of u freedom and rights. You
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know, we should strive for a civil
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service that is professional, well
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compensated and missionoriented. And
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that mission orientation is serving the
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United States. And I think that gets
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back to look there are very good people.
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They want to do the right thing. Serve
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their country. That's why they're there.
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And it's uh I wouldn't make it I
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wouldn't make it about the money. I
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would make it about the mission. And and
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we'll get them we get there are very
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good people that they're on mission. I
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met them. They are the ones pointing all
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this stuff out to us. Right. Yeah. Can
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you talk about
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um you guys went on Fox the other day
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with the Doge team? Big Balls and Big
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Balls was there.
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We were talking about this backstage.
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All of those guys were like 12 years
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old. What is it about the role, the
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opportunity, the way it was presented
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that attracted this group of what were
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incredibly wellspoken, highly
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intelligent, clearly extraordinarily
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motivated individuals. It's the sort of
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caliber of talent that all of us aspire
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to hire and f first of all find hire and
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then they're on the mission. Is it
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Elon's inspiration and the reach he has
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that made this happen? Is this a
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particular moment in American history?
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Because I was looking at that table and
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I was thinking about like the founding
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fathers and the age of the founding
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fathers when they wrote the Declaration
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of Independence. They were all super
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young and I was like, man, this is an
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opportunity to kind of rewrite how
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government operates in America today.
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But I was just struck by the age and the
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talent and how that came together and
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kind of where do they show up? Do they
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just apply out of the blue and you guys
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you guys have recruiters out there? I
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mean, where does where do these guys
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come from? So, uh, we do have we do have
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a recruiting team actually. Um, they're
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great. U Baris and Emily do the
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recruiting. And I'll tell you, I just
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want to stop for a second and say this.
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Th this is extraordinary. These people
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are extraordinary. All of them. The
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young people you saw at the table are
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extraordinary. Um, they're amazing
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engineers. I mean, they're like any one
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of us would be they're 10x engineers. we
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would all be thrilled to have in our
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companies. Elon obviously is an
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extraordinary leader. So they come they
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come for for for him. But I think
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they're really motivated by the mission.
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They're motivated by the idea that this
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is a moment where they can actually make
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an extraordinary difference to the
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country and that is a flywheel that
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brings more people, right? So they bring
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their friends and it's, you know, you
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recruit other people in um and there's
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there are extraordinary extraordinary
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people there, man. So you saw the people
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at the table in that particular
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interview. I didn't say a word. I
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literally it wasn't the company. I
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actually was you and the other guy.
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Yeah. I didn't say anything. The reason
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I didn't say anything was because I
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didn't need to. Yeah. These guys are
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extraordinary. Um and like you know, one
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of the men there spoke about this.
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Ethan, he is in he's in my son's class
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at Harvard. He dropped out of Harvard
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with two classes left, right, to come do
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this. Um you know, Big Ball is an
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example. He's great. Ron, the guy with I
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mean I I work with an engineer named
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Rahm was great. U you and then and I got
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to tell you there's a whole another
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strat of people that you didn't see
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there who are kind of in their 30s. Um,
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I think my my buddy Josh is working on
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uh on the college stuff and a few other
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things. These guys are I mean this guy
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was a senior executive rising star at
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KKR left his job to come do this. Okay.
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And there's innumerable number of people
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like this. It's an extraordinary group.
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I feel honored to be part of it. I feel
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honored to work with them. It really is
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Can I tell you an answer to this? Yeah.
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But I just want like do you think that
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this cuz these guys aren't going to work
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in the government forever. They're
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coming in, they're building something,
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they're activating, and they're moving
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on back to their private life like the
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founding fathers did at the start of the
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American government. Is that a better
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model for how government should operate
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rather than have career employees,
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career politicians, but treat it more
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like civil service where everyone has
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some role that they should play at some
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point like they do in Israel where you
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have to, you know, go go to the army for
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a few years and you everyone is
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required. Same in Singapore actually.
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Yeah. um where everyone kind of has to
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go spend their time in the government,
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contribute, participate, but it doesn't
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become a mechanism where there's an
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incentive to grow it and get more money
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flowing through it because that's how I
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individually as a politician or employee
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long-term would benefit from the
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government. Yeah, I think it's a great
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point. It's a great point on Singapore.
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Actually, I should have brought that up
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when Jamath has a question. I think that
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we're proving there's there's two uh
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types of people in government today.
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There's careers, they call them, and
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politicals, right? I think there should
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be a third type, which is what you're
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talking about. people that are doing
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public service for a short duration,
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shorter duration, whether it's me 130 as
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as a SGE or, you know, it's a couple of
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years as an engineer or something. I
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think a culture of this in America would
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be great for America and great not just
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for what it does to the government, but
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how it binds us as a people, right?
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Serving your country, going there,
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seeing how hard it is, seeing the the
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way it works, understanding that like
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really from the inside what's going on.
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Listen, I had no idea. It's like what
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part of the government did you work in
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for your two-year service or your 18
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months, right?
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This would be this would be a a great
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thing for America and a great thing for
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our society because um that culture of
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public service I think would bring us
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closer together. You were going to say
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something about the I had
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um I mean without saying too much but
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you can guess. So all of us have known
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Elon for a really long time. I also
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worked for another person that's of that
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same stature for a long time and he's
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much shorter. Much shorter. Um, and one
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of I say that a very good friend of
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his came to see me recently for lunch
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and he asked me this exact same question
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about Elon. He said
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like it was kind of like as just like
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the like that's the question that they
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were grappling with. How is he able to
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find big balls and so many big balls? I
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actually can tell you um I've seen him
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find big balls. Yeah, it's um it's a
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it's a serious strategy though. what I
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he does is he responds to emails or
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tweets Twitter people will say like I
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have a solution to this um we should do
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that and then I've been CCed on messages
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where he sends them to the right person
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and he has people to vet them and see if
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this idea actually works and I think
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he's like very opportunistic and doesn't
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prejudge where you went to school and
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what your credentials is are. It's
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almost the opposite. The less
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credentials you are he has a
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predisposition to think you're more
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right. Have you solved a problem? By the
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way, this is a this is a Peter Teal. But
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but my my answer to this was there's
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there's a lot of people that can be
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responsive in email. I think there's a
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handful of people that are real northern
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stars for technical talent, but he's the
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only one that when you walk in the room,
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he says, "Here's this mission." And it
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is so generally otherworldly. Nobody
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else can really say that. It is a
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flywheel, as you said, that is extremely
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unique. The fact that you can direct
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that entropy to the United States
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government I think is a blessing. Now
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the question is how do we follow up and
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make it attractive because to your
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point I saw those kids on that interview
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and any of my five kids if they had done
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what they did I would have been so
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proud. I was so impressed with these
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kids. Very impressive. And and you're
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like you're proud to be an American
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watching these kids. You saw Elon's face
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nodding while they were speaking with a
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a grin ear to ear. He was proud.
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proud. He is proud. I think it's
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important for maybe people to sit back
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and say this has all been done in a 100
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days from a cold start. It's not like he
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brought in people or you brought in
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people who were like I know the lay of
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the land here. It was like we're going
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to figure this out from first principles
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do zerobased budgeting whatever it is
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look at the data and see where it leads
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us. And I think one of the disturbing
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things about the data and most
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controversial issues in America today is
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the border. Yeah. And why did Biden let
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so many people through the border? It
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was kind of a question if it was even
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happening. Should we trust these border
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encounter numbers? It doesn't seem real.
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And and there's a lack of trust in the
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government. One side is saying, "Hey, we
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let all these people in. There's 15 20
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million extra people here in order to
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vote Democratic. Doesn't make a lot of
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sense to me since the Republicans have
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become the working party." But putting
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all that aside, you started looking at
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this and we had a discussion privately
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about, hey, are these people signing up
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to vote? Cuz that would be an indicator
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that this, you know, theory that people
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were streaming across the border in
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order to vote. Um, you found some people
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who were illegal immigrants who
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registered to vote. This is confounding.
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It Yes, this is actually true. So um we
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have we've sampled a handful of states
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uh and in those handful of states we
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found um people registered to vote and
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we have found people who actually voted
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and this is all being done by sampling.
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Okay. So we are sampling uh DHS data and
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then have to go to the voter roles check
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the voter roles and then check the give
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that to HSI homeless investigations who
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goes and checks the voter record by
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subpoena and the and the voter and the
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cards you sign when you vote. We had uh
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already three um arrests here in Florida
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actually and one in one indictment uh in
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Is that publicly known? Yes, it's it's
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we we posted it. The DOJ the media has
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not covered like I haven't seen much
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about that. So you're saying these are
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these are three individuals who
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illegally secured or no legally secured
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a social security. They legally secured
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social security numbers um through the
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through the process we talked about last
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time asylum or some special program or
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whatever and they were given um you know
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they gave an associate number by by
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filing a 765 and getting authorization
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and they registered to vote and they
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actually voted in 2020 andor 2024. Three
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have been arrested. I just want to say
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this carefully. Three have been arrested
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and one has been indicted. The one we
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indicted, I want to just stop on this
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guy for a minute. He's he's an Iraqi
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national. Uh he voted in 2020 in New
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York. He um went to prison for shooting
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somebody. Shot some guy's hand off. Has
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charged, if I remember correctly, 160 60
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or $70,000 of benefits through Medicaid.
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And has we think is now in Iraq because
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he's active on his Facebook page and the
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IP address is from Iraq. And credit to
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our friends at HSI, our partners HSI,
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and to DOJ for tracking this down. I got
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to tell you guys, it's difficult,
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laborious work. It really is. Um, but
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think about that a minute. Is that the
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tip of the iceberg, Antonio, do you
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think? Or did you guys do a lot of
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mining and a lot of digging to come up
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with those four? How big of a magnitude
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of an problem do you think this is? What
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What's your What's your intuition tell
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you honestly right now about whether
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there's massive voter fraud or not?
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Great question and I want to be careful
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I answer it. Um, I'm going to leave the
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data. So, I'm not leaving the data and
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I'm entering the area of my opinion,
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which is what you're asking me. My
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opinion is and actually let me step back
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and tell you what we did a second and
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then take my opinion. We are sampling by
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hand. Um so when you say data mining,
00:19:10
we're not mining. We're actually like
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pick and shovel going into like by hand.
00:19:14
This is not mechanized. There's no AI
00:19:16
being applied. There's we're using SQL
00:19:18
queries. Okay. You're literally pulling
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one literally snapping a name out of the
00:19:21
work authorization database DHS checking
00:19:24
that against the voter role and have to
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go run it down to the state. Super
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laborious. Okay. So, um, with that in
00:19:30
mind, my opinion is that this is the tip
00:19:33
of the iceberg. How big the iceberg is,
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I don't know, and I don't want to
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speculate cuz I think it it would be,
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um, not that I think we can do at this
00:19:40
moment. I think we'll have more data
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over time, but for sure, if we can
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sample out of a database, uh, and it
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takes an engineer about a day to find
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20-ish cases. So, what DOJ asks for was
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20 10 to 20 cases per state. It just
00:19:52
give you a sense of of of what's
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happening. It takes an engineer about a
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day to find 10 to 20 cases per state in
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sampling. That gives you an idea of how
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you know how many there are, right? Um
00:20:02
that's that's going on. Are you shocked
00:20:04
that people don't care about this more?
00:20:07
I'm I'm shock I think people really do
00:20:09
care. Should we be should we care more?
00:20:11
Yeah. Yes. Well, yes. I want to separate
00:20:12
the questions. Uh I think people care
00:20:14
more. My guess is everyone here cares a
00:20:16
lot. Okay. A lot about this. I think for
00:20:18
some reason the news media doesn't care
00:20:20
more now. Should you care? Yes. You
00:20:22
know, there's this idea like it's there
00:20:24
always a little bit of fraud. It's
00:20:25
pervasive. We should just it's not a big
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deal. Wrong. Here's the reality. Every
00:20:30
vote that is cast illegally in America
00:20:33
nullifies the vote of an American
00:20:34
citizen. It is your constitutional right
00:20:36
to vote in America. And if we don't have
00:20:38
a zero defect system, we are violating
00:20:41
your constitutional rights. And I will
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tell you, you deserve, the American
00:20:44
public deserves that we strive for a
00:20:46
zero defect system, right? We make
00:20:48
medical devices in America with a zero
00:20:50
defect system. Yeah. We shouldn't make
00:20:51
votes with zero system. If we don't
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strive for a zero defect system, we will
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get a lot more fraud. This is why the
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real idea is so important. We should
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strive for this. And it doesn't matter
00:21:00
if it's one vote. It's easily solved
00:21:01
with the last 15 states that don't
00:21:04
require voter ID to simply do that. And
00:21:06
that would pretty much end this debate,
00:21:08
I think. I mean I well I want to tell
00:21:11
you uh there are states that do require
00:21:12
ID. I think real ID will solve it
00:21:14
because real one of the things our
00:21:16
engineers are building and it it was
00:21:17
already there but they're making it
00:21:18
they're cleaning up making it work
00:21:19
properly is a thing called save. There's
00:21:21
a database called save that is uh
00:21:23
available to the states um in the bot
00:21:25
administration. They raised the price I
00:21:26
think about a dollar an API call to $3
00:21:29
and change the API call and all the
00:21:31
states stopped you stopped using it.
00:21:32
Save is a database that has um the
00:21:35
actual citizenship data for the entire
00:21:37
country. Okay. We we're cleaning up now
00:21:39
and making the the actual UI much
00:21:41
better. If the states have Real ID and
00:21:44
they use save, you would solve this
00:21:45
problem. And I I I I cannot understand
00:21:49
why a state would not do this. Whose
00:21:52
decision would it be to just change the
00:21:53
cost of that API? So great question,
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Chimath. We the Secretary of Homeland
00:21:59
Security, I want to thank her, Secretary
00:22:01
Gnome, has just signed a memo, a policy
00:22:04
memo to make it free. Yeah. Why is there
00:22:06
a charge anyway? It doesn't make any
00:22:08
sense to me. Yes. Yeah. Very simple. Uh
00:22:10
signature always made this free. Your
00:22:12
parents I know your dad is an immigrant.
00:22:14
My parents are both immigrants. Both
00:22:15
immigrants. Two immigrants sitting here.
00:22:17
My mother came here without speak
00:22:18
English. Yeah. Um so to be clear pick
00:22:21
me. Me too. You're an immigrant. Also an
00:22:24
immigrant. Seventh generation. No. Which
00:22:25
one does it fit? I don't know. Who's
00:22:27
not? Is it Oh, Jason. Who do you think?
00:22:29
Seventh generation. I'm the all-in
00:22:31
presidential candidate by
00:22:33
default. Um so I don't know. You're from
00:22:36
Mount Olympus, though. Yes. Yeah. Um and
00:22:39
the five points, but um how should
00:22:42
immigration work in this country? You
00:22:45
know, we've talked about it on our pod,
00:22:46
the point-based system, etc. We still
00:22:48
want immigration. We need highskilled
00:22:50
immigration. We talked to President
00:22:51
Trump about that. He said he was
00:22:53
committed to giving people green cards
00:22:55
who have diplomas. And this is a little
00:22:58
out of your uh purview, but just how do
00:23:01
you how does Antonio Gracios feel about
00:23:04
immigration? You know, deporting people,
00:23:06
you know, deporting people with maybe
00:23:08
less due process than maybe some of us
00:23:10
are comfortable with. What do you think
00:23:12
we should be doing here as a country?
00:23:14
There's a lot in that question. So,
00:23:16
look, I'm a enormous fan of immigration.
00:23:18
I mean, I you will not find a guy who's
00:23:19
more pro immigration than I am. Um
00:23:22
because my parents are immigrants. um
00:23:24
they came here with nothing and built a
00:23:26
life and I am the American dream and I'm
00:23:28
so grateful this country for my what
00:23:29
it's done for my family you won't find
00:23:31
it I am so grateful this country was it
00:23:34
has been great for us okay um and for
00:23:37
all of you the reality is that we need
00:23:40
thank
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[Applause]
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you American GDP is simply the function
00:23:50
of number of people working times
00:23:51
productivity we We have 7 million job
00:23:54
openings roughly in America. We need
00:23:55
people to work. Yes, this is this is the
00:23:57
reality. The the system should very
00:24:00
simply be there's a skilled immigration
00:24:02
group and we figure out what that should
00:24:04
be, what jobs you want. We and by the
00:24:06
way, America is the best place to live
00:24:07
in the world. We all know that. I
00:24:09
believe that if we make this easy, uh
00:24:12
they will come, right? No problem. And I
00:24:14
think there's broad in that. We also
00:24:15
need um labor. We do. Our farm, our
00:24:19
farmers need labor, need labor in the
00:24:21
food industry, restaurants, etc. I think
00:24:23
there should be both high-end skilled
00:24:25
immigration, and there should be a very
00:24:26
sensible program for unskilled labor,
00:24:28
uh, a work permit program, and you we've
00:24:31
got that H2A program. There there is an
00:24:33
there is the H2A program. I will tell
00:24:34
you, uh, these programs, I mapp the
00:24:36
entire system now. Um, they go from DHS
00:24:39
to State Department to labor. They're
00:24:41
very disconnected and they're they're
00:24:44
hard to manage. So, we are we are going
00:24:46
to work on this. One of the things we're
00:24:47
going to work on and hopefully leave
00:24:48
behind is both a sensible answer to the
00:24:50
illegal problem and a sensible answer to
00:24:52
the legal problem. It's very important
00:24:53
to the team working on this. They work
00:24:55
on this is like super important for
00:24:57
Trump's administration because there
00:24:58
seems to be a bit of a I don't want to
00:25:00
call it a civil war, but heated debate
00:25:03
internally between people like yourself
00:25:05
and Elon and others who believe
00:25:07
immigration is critical and then other
00:25:09
people who just want to lock the border
00:25:10
and deport 20 million people. Steve,
00:25:12
I'll call the Steve Banning camp. He's
00:25:14
not in the administration clearly.
00:25:15
Locking the borders. I want to be clear
00:25:16
on this something. I don't believe in
00:25:18
open borders. Yeah. When a country opens
00:25:20
it border, this country sees its
00:25:22
sovereignty. Yes. You have you have to
00:25:24
have a closer. You have to have a border
00:25:25
that is control. Um that doesn't mean
00:25:27
you shouldn't have legal immigration,
00:25:28
right? It should be it should be a
00:25:30
proper process um where people can come
00:25:32
in that are great for the country and
00:25:33
they believe in our values and they
00:25:35
should have a chance to become citizens
00:25:36
if they believe in our values, support
00:25:37
our country. I really hope that you guys
00:25:38
work this out and can have a positive
00:25:40
influence like you've had with Doge on
00:25:41
the administration and really work on
00:25:43
this one which is sensible, kind, you
00:25:46
know, empathetic uh immigration. Y
00:25:49
because you're all immigrants. I mean,
00:25:50
the values I set for our team, I just
00:25:52
tell you the valor execution values are
00:25:54
focus, intensity, and discipline. I
00:25:56
added a fourth value here to our team
00:25:58
for our team. Compassion. Yes. Antonio,
00:26:00
I just want and I want anyone else to
00:26:02
join me in saying, look, you're a
00:26:04
successful, wealthy, um, incredibly
00:26:07
handsome, handsome man. That's the best
00:26:09
part. But, uh, like I I know the work
00:26:11
you're doing super hard. We talked
00:26:13
backstage about how hard it's been. I
00:26:14
just want to honestly say as an
00:26:16
American, thank you for the work you're
00:26:17
doing. And
00:26:20
well, thank you,
00:26:21
bro. All right. Thanks to my friend
00:26:24
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