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E16: Reflecting on the riots at the US Capitol, plus: Georgia runoffs, vaccine distribution & more

January 08, 2021 / 01:22:59

This episode discusses the events surrounding the January 6 Capitol riots, featuring guests Chamath Palihapitiya, David Sacks, and David Friedberg. Key topics include Trump's role in inciting the riots, the police response, and the implications for future political actions.

The hosts analyze the Capitol riots, emphasizing Trump's rally and his call to action for supporters. They discuss the chaos that ensued, with Sacks noting the lack of police presence and restraint compared to previous protests.

Friedberg raises concerns about the racial dynamics of the police response, suggesting that had the protesters been people of color, the outcome would have been different. The conversation shifts to the culpability of Trump and his supporters in the violence.

As the discussion progresses, the hosts reflect on the broader implications of the riots for American democracy and the potential consequences for Trump and his allies. They debate whether prosecuting Trump is necessary for accountability.

The episode concludes with a discussion on the vaccine rollout and the need for a more effective distribution strategy, highlighting the failures of the current system.

TL;DR

The episode covers the Capitol riots, Trump's culpability, police response, and vaccine distribution failures.

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we'll let your winners ride rain man david sacks
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and they've just gone crazy with it
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we should all just get a room and just have one  big huge orgy because they're all just useless  
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it's like this like sexual tension  that they just need to release
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your feet we need to get murky  
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all right and we're back and thank you to young  spielberg with the all-in 1.5 extended edition  
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remix we're going all in that was thank you to  the super fans that was really incredible actually  
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we're back we're back yeah shout out young  spielberg with us the dictator chamoth paulie  
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hoppetea the rain man himself david sax is  definitely an excellent driver and his dad lets  
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him drive in the driveway and the queen of quinoa  spectacular david freeburg is with us we did an  
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emergency pod we just had all agreed we're taking  a nice break nothing's gonna happen over the new  
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year this is the down period and 2021 is going to  be delightful and simple and then all hell breaks  
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loose we could start with the vaccine we could  start with the capital we could start with georgia  
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now we have to start we have to start we have to  start with the capital we have to start with the  
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capitals all right so let me just run through  the series of events that occur here there's  
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a certification process correct sax that goes  on where the electoral college gets counted and  
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somewhere at 10 am trump had a rally of thousands  of supporters you were not there david correct  
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you weren't at this round he was in quote-unquote  miami right i think he's in the miami hilton  
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on pennsylvania avenue right now and he put  up that fake miami background but the truth  
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is let's be honest here um trump came out at  10 a.m and had a rally jason can we just take  
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a step back for a second doesn't david sacks  look like elliott gould in ocean's 11 right now
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he is a silver fox and are you i mean  you were very public about being in miami  
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over the new year you took your talents  to miami and we see this background  
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um so we can assume that dictators in his uh  pool house poker room we know that freeberg's  
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in a ritz carlton somewhere based on the  furniture he's in his ritz carlton uh office  
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and sax based on your background are you in  miami right now yeah are you still there yeah  
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i still i'm still i'm still here okay but  david did you meet me or not i i haven't  
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i actually met him i did meet him i went to like  a tech uh event the other night and he was there  
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so were you wearing masks at the tech event were  you wearing a mask they it was they were like  
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no no i'll tell you there were masks indoors  and then there was like coveted testing  
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inside and then you could graduate to the outdoor  patio part where people generally weren't wearing  
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masks so were you in conversations with people  with no masks on is that what you're saying  
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at this yeah but you know everyone's been  like covet tested like a zillion times  
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and it was outdoors and you know i'm willing to  meet with people outdoors you know i generally  
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don't do it indoors but i'm yeah i'm that i i've  said that's my policy starting several months ago  
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did we can we rewind to april with that photo of  sac do we have it where he was in the ski mask and  
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the goggles and the helmet and like the biohazard  suit and like how things have changed he's like  
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i'll go to miami and have a chat with someone yeah  you could you could you you could definitely do uh  
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how it started and how it's going uh split photo  for it but but look you're like sharing a banana  
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split with someone like you know like well  because on ebay and alibaba buying ventilators  
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for his home triage center well i mean we had  people from the who saying in march that the  
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you know that the case the infection fatality  rate was like 7 you know and the two big things  
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we learned after that were number one that  there was a huge distribution by age right and  
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so somebody under 50 without comorbidities had a  much much much lower risk and then also the thing  
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we learned is that the there's there's maybe a 10x  difference between the infection fatality rate and  
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the case fatality rate i mean you guys know all  this yeah and so so once we learned those things  
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um i mean i you you know i think a rational person  takes things like that into account i changed my  
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policy with respect to covet you know  and and now especially that we have  
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uh you know easy access to tests which weren't  available you can get tested before going into a  
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event so i i have a question to add on to that  
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do you own a fur chewbacca outfit and  were were you in washington dc yesterday  
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with more paint on your nipples do you have  a podium do you have a neck to waste a tattoo  
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are you standing behind a podium let me hide the  the viking horns that i've got stashed away here  
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all right listen there was a great there was a  title can we title yesterday's event national  
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lampoon siege of the capital i mean it was like  animal house like you know yeah there was a great  
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there was a great tweet by somebody saying this  was uh this was like the storming of the bastille  
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as perpetrated by the cast of animal house and  there was another there's another great tweet  
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saying uh the capital now appears to be under the  control of a man in a viking mask the best one  
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was i have lost all respect for nicholas  cage's ability to steal the us constitution  
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apparently yeah whatever copies left all right  so let's just go through the chain of events here  
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and it was it was absolutely surreal because  trump literally went out to a mob of people  
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and said i want you to march down pennsylvania  avenue and show the gop what it takes to have  
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courage et cetera mike pence apparently told  trump that he was not going to go to bat for  
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him in the ceremonial process of counting the  votes and lo and behold you're watching this you  
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know the objections going on to the electoral  account and you see the secret service come  
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rushing in and it becomes a you know very serious  situation and when you watch some of the videos  
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it is truly terrorizing that thousands  of people overwhelmed the police and  
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i guess i want to start with people's opinion  on trump's culpability in inciting what was very  
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dangerous behavior four people are dead um so you  know while we're joking about the cosplay outfits  
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a woman who was a an art and trump supporter who  is a vet who did four tours uh from what i've read  
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and i shared the video with you before literally  you know as they broke into the building was  
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trying to breach another area of the building  and she's climbing through a window and gets shot  
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apparently by the secret service or the police  and dies and so it's all fun and games until  
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four people are dead and now somebody's lost their  wife daughter sister jason i mean there could have  
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been 400 dead there could have been fourth house  absolutely yeah i mean this could have become a  
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shootout at the okay corral i can't understand  why the police showed the restraint they did i  
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mean when you see them getting surrounded i don't  know if you saw the one they didn't they didn't  
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show restraint jason there was no police when you  look at the amount of um security that's typically  
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there and has been there for other situations  and then you compare it to the amount of security  
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knowing for a month and a half that this was  coming it's um it just doesn't make any sense  
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to me so i'm a little i'm a little dumbfounded  that you know you couldn't have seen this facebook  
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group called you know hashtag storm the capital  which had tens of thousands maybe hundreds of  
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thousands of members in there plotting and  scheming selling merchandise called storm  
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the capital you know these guys were wearing  printed sweatshirts that they had time to make  
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and nobody knew about it and nobody thought to  reinforce um the security and barricade it and  
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make sure that you couldn't go from  the protest site to the cat i mean  
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i it just seems like there's some level of  complicity that needs to get found out here  
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but there was a there was an interview i  saw with an xdc police guy who said that  
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i think folks were told to tamper down uh the  police forces were told to tamper down on managing  
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crowds and protests and riots following the  controversy associated with blm a few months ago  
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and spraying folks with pepper spray and water  and all the physical techniques that were used  
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were so um outraging that that there was  just more of a systemic concern about being  
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too aggressive with protesters and as a  result they went too far the other way  
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uh it's it's not about it it just happens to be  friedberg that when black people protested and  
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brown people they got the tear gas and beaten  with batons and then when the white people uh  
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stormed the what the the capital in the same area  they got uh walked down the steps and escorted out  
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with a stern warning to not do it  again i mean this is hypocritical  
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and insane i i i don't know why you have to  go there particularly um it it looked to me  
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like what happened is that the capitol hill police  simply got completely overwhelmed uh you look at  
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these you know giant this is a rally on the mall  that turned into a mob well first it kind of  
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turned into a tailgater then it turned into a mob  and then it turned into an insurrection it kind of  
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stumbled forward into progressive uh phases of  uh of stupidity and disaster but it's it looked  
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to me like the capitol hill police simply got  overwhelmed they they obviously were unprepared  
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they were surprised i think by this and i saw  video of tons of tear gas being used i saw people  
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getting tear gas like crazy and i think there was  reports uh this morning on twitter that the whole  
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area in front of the capitol there was covered in  that light film that remains after tear gassing  
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so i don't think they were really pulling punches  too much and i also think that uh that there will  
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be prosecutions i think that uh the these people  were captured on video there's a lot of talk on  
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twitter and everybody is in favor of finding out  who they are applying facial recognition and uh  
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bringing charges so i think there will be a lot of  charges unlike let's say the the blm protest this  
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summer i don't remember anybody getting charged  based on video of people writing or looting  
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and then i think you know the the the final  difference actually with the blm protest is that  
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if you've watched fox news at all in the last 24  hours the condemnation of what of the storming  
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of the capital of what happened has been across  the board both right and left everybody across  
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the political spectrum has condemned it nobody is  apologizing for it nobody on the right is looking  
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for root causes to explain the reasons why it  happened everybody is just condemning it and  
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saying that it should never have happened and  the people who did it should be prosecuted and  
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so i don't see any kid gloves here being used um  you know either physically or glove sex is when  
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you see officers being chased up the steps and uh  or taking selfies you know which is one instance i  
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don't want to just say that's the only indicative  thing but when people are breaking through windows  
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and just kind of being let go i mean they were  obviously overwhelmed but i'm surprised more  
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people didn't get shot let's just tackle this  head-on in terms of the race issue well i have  
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a i have a question for david before i make my  statement david do you think that if this were  
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black and brown people storming the capital would  there have been more or less than four deaths
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honestly i think would have been  the same i just uh disagree yeah  
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i disagree i really disagree and i'll tell you  why um i think you have the best of intentions  
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wanting to think that way but here's the way i  see it i see a president that basically instigated  
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a group of people who are fundamentally  disenfranchised let's face it like there are there  
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are a lot of very very reasonable republicans and  a lot of very reasonable democrats the fringes of  
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both parties are functionally mentally [ __ ] we  know this okay and so what you see are extreme  
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on both sides who are just completely lost and  looking for any excuse and so you have a president  
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in the tail end of his presidency an anonymous  presidency basically call them out nobody who  
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actually had a job or anything to do could show up  right so you had all these people show up it's a  
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wednesday yeah it's a wednesday during the day i  mean and what do you think happens they're there  
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they're all frothed up you know um eric trump  frothing them up donald trump jr frothing them up  
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trump frothing them up giuliani frothing  them up and all of a sudden as you said  
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stumbling into degrees of of craziness  and stupidity to storm the capital  
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and i just think to myself how could a  president instigate this kind of action  
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number one the second thing i think about  is when black athletes peacefully protested  
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uh something that they had the fundamental  constitutional right to protest  
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in the president's eyes they were sons of [ __  ] white people that stormed the [ __ ] capital  
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the people's house yep were called  patriots by the president's daughter  
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and she and then we're told that they were loved  by the president himself to me it's just an  
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enormously stark contrast of a double standard i  think that beyond the persecutions of the people  
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i actually feel very bad for the people that  stormed the capital i feel like these are folks  
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that are on the fringes who just need a vessel and  trump is a vessel and then he instigates them and  
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runs away you know what i mean he's a character  he's lost these are less that these guys commit  
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the crime and now they're going to go to jail i  feel like the the culpability has to go all the  
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way back to trump to holly to cruz these guys  are those are the real scumbags in all of this  
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freebird what are your thoughts on this and  then i'll go back to sax and let him respond
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yeah i don't i don't think it's unreasonable  to assume that if this was a black lives matter  
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and and it was black people involved or brown  people involved in um in the same sorts of  
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activities you saw yesterday that you would  not see more shootings i don't think that's  
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an unreasonable uh position to take obviously  um i think there's this other circumstance  
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which is that event preceding this one as i  mentioned i saw an interview with the dc police  
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former police direct director of the  police or some i forgot what his title was  
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where he highlighted that you know folks  were kind of instructed to stand down  
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following the blm controversies and so i think  that's also kind of a reasonable point of view
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and uh what about the president's  culpability i mean i think that's  
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one issue that's gonna have to be addressed  post and i think we have to figure out what  
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life post trump is going to be like because this  is a level of chaos that nobody to sax's point  
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all people condemned it's um yeah there's a  there's a there's a theory which actually takes  
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its origin from from hitler where uh hitler used  this term the big lie and uh you know the theory  
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is that you can create political propaganda  by saying something that's so outrageous  
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it is so improbable that people say there's no  way this thing keeps getting said over and over  
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unless it's actually real um and this is sort of  like the q anon pedophile ring in the pizzeria  
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or the fact that the election was stolen  from you it is such an outrageous statement  
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um that that it seems to people uh that it only  has to be true um because it is it is such an  
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insane thing and if it is it's so insane and i  am so incited by this thing so this is kind of a  
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you know acknowledged as being uh you know a  political propaganda technique that goes back a  
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long time by the way hitler used it as a way to to  use it as almost like a double bluff uh to blame  
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the jews um uh in in germany which was um uh you  know an unfortunate kind of origin of the term but  
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um uh but the term is used a lot now and saying  like these sorts of events are ridiculous now  
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what's gonna happen going forward i don't think  big lies go away you can try and mute them on  
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twitter and meet them on facebook or mute them on  reddit but whether it's q anon or whatever is next  
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this is becoming kind of a standard form now  because of the way media is distributed anyone  
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can say a big lie and it gets a lot of listeners  and trump is totally culpable for that he made  
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some [ __ ] up he made a bunch of claims i mean  if you guys haven't seen lindsey graham's speech  
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yesterday it is absolutely worth watching that he  gave late last night i saw it i saw it and he's  
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like he's like i asked for the for the show me the  eight the ten give me ten people that claim that  
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they voted and they were under eighteen he's like  they gave you one give me anyone that that uh was  
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in prison or died and they gave me zero and he's  like goes on and on for a couple minutes about  
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how none of what was said about what happened  in the election was true and it was all false  
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and he's like this is all just not true um and so  i think trump is culpable for creating a falsehood  
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and uh and uh you know having a megaphone  and you know there were certainly  
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of violence that is i think where the rubber is  going to meet the road trump's going to be out of  
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office in two weeks or less one way or the other  do you uh and let me just take it to sacks um  
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sacks i want to give you the time to respond  to the the issue of uh the double standard  
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uh in terms of race and blm and then also do  you sacks if you're on biden's team coming in  
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do you advise that you prosecute trump or  investigate trump for this insurrection yes or no  
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okay so just to tie off on the the blm issue  i i just you know i just normally don't think  
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that race is the issue here um chamoth  look i i don't know at the end of the day  
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what the fatalities would have been if it  had been a blm protest that that went awry  
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but i will stick to what i said before which is  i predict that you will see more prosecutions  
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come out of this of the people who are involved  i'm talking about the people who stormed the  
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capitol then we saw from all the the blm protests  over the summer i mean i don't remember any  
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prosecutions coming out of videotape of people  being caught recorded looting and rioting and  
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i predict you will see more here and again  i think another difference again the extent  
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there's a double standard uh i you know i  remember a lot of left-wing news networks  
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um calling the writing and looting the summer  peaceful protests which they clearly were not  
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you even had a book called in defense of looting  and i don't hear anybody defending the storming  
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of the capital nobody on the right so look to the  extent there's a double standard i don't know that  
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it accrues to the the blm side of this but look i  think that's kind of beside the point and not not  
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the real issue here i mean jason to your question  of is trump responsible yes i mean clearly 100  
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100 yes because he he is the one who who put  forth this theory that the election was stolen  
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and was constantly repeating it for the last  two months two months ago right after the  
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election there was an article published in the  spectator called deplorables don't riot it was  
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actually a pretty good op end it was written by  a conservative and the conservative's point was  
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that you know all these windows and shops have  been boarded up in anticipation of potential  
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riding and looting with the election and all these  conservatives are saying well who's do you know  
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who are they afraid of you know not not us not the  maga folks well then the theory was deplorables  
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don't don't riot and and and the right was was  proud of that two months ago and now we are seeing  
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that well no the deplorables are rioting why is  that what what changed over the last two months  
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and what changed is the constant feeding  to this group of people this idea starting  
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with trump but then perpetuated by you know  different right-wing media organizations and  
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other politicians who sort of were you  know trying to curry favor with trump  
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uh they were constantly pushing for  this idea that the election was stolen  
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so that these people on the mall who then riot and  storm the capital believed that the election was  
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being stolen from them so you know ultimately that  responsibility goes is trump's so to be clear and  
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reflecting back to you you're saying trump incited  sedation is that the right word well sedition  
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sedition doesn't seem like the wrong it doesn't  seem like the exact right word to me i mean riot  
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it was it was certainly a riot now now did now  look i mean you're talking about prosecuting a  
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legal case uh you know if you want to look at  the legal standard for incitement it has to be  
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you know provoking people to take an imminent  lawless act uh i think i think he lo if you want  
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to see this mob as a gun i think he loaded the gun  he pointed it in a certain direction but did he  
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tell them to storm the capital no not specifically  i think therefore it'd be a very hard case to  
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prosecute but i think you know prosecuting him  in a court of law is is sort of unnecessary and  
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redundant i mean i think that in the eyes of the  public politically he has i think most people see  
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that he's culpable and i even think of his  political career i think he's i think he's  
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disqualified himself from being uh a candidate you  know at a national level again i mean if you look  
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okay again just go back two months ago look at how  much has changed two months ago just in the day or  
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two after the election trump had narrowly lost but  there was talk of him starting a new news network  
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to rival fox there was talk about he could even  be a candidate again in in 2024 it was not off the  
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table i think now it's it's clearly off the table  and you've seen it it's partly because of the  
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georgia runoffs which we should get to but again  the republican candidates at least one of them  
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had won that election two months ago and now they  lost and that has a lot to do with trump's antics  
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in the meantime of is just feeding this constant  you know lie about the stolen election right  
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i think there's a really important question about  you know sorry but is it worth um prosecuting  
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trump uh post fact um you know does that do  more harm or good for for the country as a whole  
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certainly there will be a lot of people that  would get great satisfaction of putting trump  
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in prison a lot of people are calling for that  but um we really do need to question the um  
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you know the incredible divide in the nation  and what's the best way to heal the divide  
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the objective shouldn't be pursuing justice uh it  should be about moving forward i'm not suggesting  
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don't prosecute trump but i i think that it's  worth it's worthy of noting that you know  
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there is another way of framing this whole  thing which is what's the best thing to do  
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going forward though on the flip side you  could even make the case that one of the best  
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things joe biden could do today or tomorrow is to  announce a federal election uh review commission  
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uh to actually look into wrongdoings at the state  level with a 500 bipartisan yeah 100 yeah i mean  
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it's a slam dunk case anyway if biden did  that and he you know he basically embraced the  
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the notion that a lot of folks are really angry  about and said i'm listening to you i'm hearing  
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you let me show you and at the same time they did  not prosecute trump and you know let him go go off  
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into the distance and do his own thing maybe you  start to kind of you know heal the rift a little  
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bit but right now everyone's kind of inflamed  and there is this like how do we prosecute him  
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what do we do when he's you know do it you know  and we're just continuing to kind of escalate the  
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dialogue and increase the rift i just yeah  so i look i think prosecuting trump at this  
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point first of all legally that might be  a difficult case to prove because of the  
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need to prove that the um that he was trying  to provoke uh an imminent lawless action  
00:25:28
you know if he had been at the barricades you know  pushing people forward yes but so i think legally  
00:25:34
it'd be a tough case and i think it would be it  like you said it'd be unnecessarily uh divisive  
00:25:38
and partisan i don't know why we need to go there  i mean at the end of the day any politicians stock  
00:25:44
and trade is their credibility and popularity and  trump has fundamentally damaged the perception  
00:25:50
of him i think even among the right i have a huge  issue with this and i'll tell you why it's because  
00:25:56
the folks that are now going to go to  jail were instigated by this guy and  
00:26:03
the folks that were there in many ways  were brought they were cajoled they were  
00:26:10
instigated to travel from groomed to travel there  to take the time out of their lives to basically  
00:26:17
then get fed this rhetoric and in a moment of just  crazy mob like mentality to act out at the behest  
00:26:26
of the leader of the free world there has to be  a consequence not just to those people because  
00:26:32
they in many ways are not the person to prosecute  to the extent that you are going to put some of  
00:26:37
these people in jail which we look like it looks  like we're going to and by the way let's be honest  
00:26:41
there is no inconceivable way that these people  get charged with a misdemeanor that's not going  
00:26:45
to stand right and the worst perpetrators of this  when they get put in jail will get put in jail  
00:26:50
for five to ten years minimum and so what are we  going to do when we look at ourselves in the eye  
00:26:56
and say these poor americans at the end of the day  who were instigated by this guy and he yet again  
00:27:01
gets off scot-free while hundreds of americans who  were basically in a peak of craziness fed by this  
00:27:08
guy does something and goes to jail and you have  hundreds of lives and hundreds of families ruined  
00:27:14
even if we don't find a way to basically put  trump in jail for this i can 100 guarantee you  
00:27:21
i will bet a million bucks that now the  southern district of new york gloves off  
00:27:29
every single state that can go after this guy  gloves off and to the extent that joe biden had  
00:27:36
any incentive to basically like let this go away  at the federal level gloves off in my opinion i  
00:27:43
really i really really need to say let's let's say  that folks do go after trump what does that do if  
00:27:48
he gets put in jail or he you know gets uh there's  some criminal proceeding brought against him what  
00:27:53
does that do to the 50 percent of the nation that  truly support him and truly care about him i don't  
00:27:59
you know i don't like like the balance of justice  versus unification you know i think we're talking  
00:28:04
actually about 25 percent of the country i think  i don't even think it sounds right or whatever it  
00:28:09
is like there's obviously a big voting block and a  big block of the uh potential blockchain i think i  
00:28:14
think i think of the 70 million people that voted  for donald trump i think there are half of them  
00:28:22
who would equally vote for a normal centrist  candidate romney and nikki haley didn't  
00:28:29
necessarily believe in donald trump then i think  there's the other 35 million and i do think that  
00:28:35
there's a spectrum of those 35 and i think that  you probably lost 10 or 15 million of them after  
00:28:41
the events of yesterday where they just threw  their hands up in the air and said hey it would  
00:28:45
really only inflame 20 million is what you're  saying correct and i think i agree with jamal  
00:28:49
right and those 20 million people are you know sad  to say concentrated in about 10 states that don't  
00:28:55
functionally matter economically or otherwise  um and so about the balance of justice versus  
00:29:00
unification certainly it sounds like you're saying  ways heavily towards justice right like more more  
00:29:05
folks will benefit from seeing him come to justice  or would perceive justice then i think what it  
00:29:10
will allow i think it'll allow the republican  party to recenter itself i think that's better  
00:29:14
for politics i think it's better for governance  it's better for america i think it allows a lot  
00:29:20
of people to basically wake up out of this haze  that they've been in four years and say wow wait  
00:29:25
a minute enough enough like i was on a really bad  bender i did a couple things i really regret and  
00:29:31
i need to recenter myself how do you not find this  turning into a tit for tat berlusconi italy brazil  
00:29:37
israel kind of phenomenon where you know future  leaders are then attacked and challenged and taken  
00:29:42
the best the best tweet i saw on this was this  woman tweeted out that uh the following she said  
00:29:49
when the democrats lost in 2016 they knitted  pink hats and donated to planned parenthood  
00:29:56
no they didn't no they didn't they invented  a ridiculous russian conspiracy theory  
00:30:01
they david that like 10 people went to  russia the russians no one went to jail  
00:30:09
you're like the last person you're like the last  person who still believes in this well listen i  
00:30:13
still believe that they tried and i still believe  i don't know that they succeeded but i think  
00:30:18
mueller spent two years investigating this tens of  millions of dollars 25 fbi and uh yeah those are  
00:30:22
all gop talking points the fact is manafort went  to jail for something completely unrelated you  
00:30:30
must be the last person who still believes that  trump won in 2016 because of russian interference  
00:30:35
i think that they i think he asked the ukraine  for help and i think he asked the russians  
00:30:40
for help and i think that he would have gladly  accepted the help now is it was it a a conspiracy  
00:30:47
no it wasn't a conspiracy never this is the  problem with your russia talking point is that  
00:30:54
you're trying to just say because he didn't  get prosecuted which he's probably not going  
00:30:58
to get prosecuted for this either the guy was a  serial offender okay and they were trying to get  
00:31:04
information from wikileaks and they were trying to  get the the hacks and so i don't know why you can  
00:31:10
so clearly see what he's doing david when  he incites this violence and then you don't  
00:31:15
see that he would he has no moral backbone or  character and that he wouldn't accept foreign aid  
00:31:21
it's not that bastard here here's my view okay  here's my view is that when you lose an election  
00:31:28
as a candidate you have to look in the mirror  and ask what you did wrong okay trump failed to  
00:31:34
do that two months ago instead of just taking  the l and you know and he he could have blamed  
00:31:39
it on the fact that vaccine was one week late i  mean there were there he you know instead of just  
00:31:43
accepting the loss he invented this conspiracy  theory that the election was stolen and he's  
00:31:47
basically like freiburg said been pumping it  month after month and you know his enablers  
00:31:53
you know have have perpetuated it until we had  this you know total breakdown and storming of  
00:31:58
the capital but again you know where was the  democratic reassessment of why they lost in 2016  
00:32:05
who on the democrat side looked in the mirror and  said you know we shouldn't have lost that election  
00:32:10
you know what did we do wrong they didn't do that  instead they blamed it all on russian interference  
00:32:16
or facebook you know all of a sudden facebook  went from being a darling to being a scapegoat  
00:32:21
and there was uh russian ads being bought with  rubles and tons of link forms confirmed done by  
00:32:30
the russians in order to uh ferment anti-hillary  sentiment i mean no it actually happened it's true  
00:32:37
it's true i don't know affect the election nobody  could know that but it didn't yes we can because  
00:32:44
yeah it did it did some effort so now you're  admitting there was russian interference so you  
00:32:49
were before saying there wasn't and now you're  saying there was i'm talking about i'm talking  
00:32:53
about why somebody no no it's not because here  here's the here's where you're being misleading  
00:32:59
is yes is it true that there was some fsb  operative somewhere buying ads on facebook  
00:33:04
yes hundreds of them hundreds of them out of  billions of impressions okay it was a microscopic  
00:33:12
number of total impressions of the election  and the people who actually looked at those ads  
00:33:17
thought they were absurd imagine some operative  hold on let me finish my point imagine some  
00:33:22
operative in moscow trying to influence the  american election by buying ads on facebook  
00:33:27
did they try yes look foreign intelligence  services are trying all the time okay but was  
00:33:33
that they didn't try they did try yes okay and did  trump and his family ask them no there was no help  
00:33:40
there's no proof of collusion there was no proof  of collusion okay okay that's what we need to take  
00:33:43
the meeting okay no that's what mueller he spent  two years investigating it and found no collusion  
00:33:48
look so my point is again we're getting  off on a rabbit hole here but my point was  
00:33:54
when when you as a candidate lose an election  you have to take responsibility for that that  
00:33:59
was not done in 2016. it was not done certainly  in 2020 by trump it is the problem with both our  
00:34:04
political parties that they would rather invent  conspiracy theories and lies then acknowledge  
00:34:10
why people are rejecting them yeah i agree with  this i i would say this but that is not the point  
00:34:18
david you are right okay somewhere along the way  we got stuck worrying about the pronouns that we  
00:34:25
use and which bathrooms should be or should not  be transgendered while the american middle class  
00:34:31
was completely gutted from pillar to post that is  what's created the boundary conditions for this  
00:34:37
every single time there's been an insurrection  or an uprising or a revolution in america  
00:34:44
it has never been about ideology it has always  been about economics always and economics is the  
00:34:52
tip of the spear in this country whether we like  it or not it started with the boston tea party  
00:34:56
you know it continued through the civil war it  has always been about that topic so we all let it  
00:35:05
happen we all have a responsibility to fix it that  though is a topic i think for another day because  
00:35:11
that's the grand arc of what we need to do in our  generation and fix this inequality gap meanwhile  
00:35:18
we do have this tactical issue which is  you have the leader of the free world  
00:35:24
in my opinion and i think in a lot of reasonable  minded people's opinion instigating essentially  
00:35:32
at a minimum a riot and at the maximum some  form of like treason it idiotic form of  
00:35:40
i don't i mean the problem is it's just it is just  like it's just it's incomprehensible what it is  
00:35:47
i've fallen on the side that we need to prosecute  him now i was i was 50 50 on this but i'll tell  
00:35:52
you what's tipped me over is you know if we don't  prosecute him there's this sort of like unfairness  
00:35:57
to it i think that's a very good point you made  chamoth but i also think that he is go we need  
00:36:03
to wake people up from this fog they've been in to  friedberg and i don't i think we have to free the  
00:36:09
the republican party to get back to some more  version that is reasonable like you are sacks i  
00:36:16
would rather see the party the republican party  has is is already rejecting trump so just look  
00:36:22
at what's happened in the last 24 to 48 hours  even after this storming of the capital okay you  
00:36:27
had republicans who who were just hours before  objecting to the electors they basically were  
00:36:32
saying no i've changed my mind who is that lindsey  graham but not ted cruz not that other kelly
00:36:40
there are a few other ones who switched sides uh  you had ex you had excellent speeches by lindsey  
00:36:44
graham and then romney i agree with that they  spoke very very eloquently and just today elaine  
00:36:50
chao resigned as secretary transportation i  think that's mostly significant she's david  
00:36:56
she's a missionary party yeah look i think i  think after georgia the republican party was  
00:37:02
already blamed trump for that and now after  the storming of the capital they're ready to  
00:37:06
be done with him this idea that you need to  prosecute trump to end his somehow end his  
00:37:12
relation with the republican party i think it  will just backfire um i don't think that's what  
00:37:16
the point is i think the point is that nobody  is above the law and when you when you lead  
00:37:22
you know what look the thing with  the people that attended this rally  
00:37:26
is in any other situation and jason you said  it earlier these are our veterans these are  
00:37:31
the people that are like working good jobs they're  trying to just keep america going they've always  
00:37:37
believed in american exceptionalism there was  nothing wrong with that it was just perverted  
00:37:41
by this [ __ ] scumbag yep he is a complete  piece of [ __ ] [ __ ] scumbag he's garbage  
00:37:47
and i think that's why you have to prosecute  him i think you have to make an example of him  
00:37:51
i know that they with nixon they took a different  approach but i just think he's too dangerous to  
00:37:56
leave unprosecuted because every time he has  some bad behavior whether it was the ukraine  
00:38:02
whether it's you know russian we can debate what  level they wanted to engage with the russians  
00:38:08
or you know in the case of this uh riotous  behavior you know i think he's not gonna stop  
00:38:14
that's the thing that i fear is i don't think he's  gonna i would rather i would rather take every  
00:38:18
single person arrested and give them zero days in  jail and add it all up and give it to trump well i  
00:38:26
i wouldn't i mean i i agree with you to to some  degree that they were victims of this two-month  
00:38:34
propaganda campaign to convince uh the right that  this election was stolen i think a lot of those  
00:38:39
people who are storming the capital they were  there not to steal an election because they were  
00:38:44
thought they were there to prevent the ceiling  election and so yes they they have been duped  
00:38:48
by a lot of people including you know leading with  with trump but including a lot of other people who  
00:38:54
should have known better uh but but that being  said they did make the decision to hop the  
00:38:59
barricades smash the windows go into the capital  there's some personal responsibility absolutely  
00:39:04
yeah we can't that's the tragedy of this woman  like but let's talk about this woman for a  
00:39:08
second and i think it's important to look at this  specific case this is a person who's a veteran and  
00:39:14
she was inside the halls already and was trying to  breach another area and she was just shot dead by  
00:39:23
secret service they might have been protecting the  vp they might have been protecting nancy pelosi or  
00:39:28
mitch mcconnell who knows um but they shot her  dead yeah i saw it on video i mean it's on video  
00:39:35
it's unbelievable and it i mean coming from a law  enforcement family i can tell you that's a clean  
00:39:40
shooting if she was breaching and they told her do  not come in here we're going to shoot you and they  
00:39:46
were protected the secret service is protecting an  asset they're allowed to shoot you like you can't  
00:39:52
jump that and she's a military vet she's from the  air force i mean what is in her mind how wound  
00:39:58
up was she by trump and by this propaganda that  when they told her do not breach the second door  
00:40:05
inside by the way you just said the key word you  cannot be spun up in all of this by giuliani he's  
00:40:10
a [ __ ] [ __ ] you know he can barely like not  wet his pants yeah you know you're not going to  
00:40:15
get spun up by sidney powell the only person that  can really catalyze this is the person that has  
00:40:22
the respect that comes with sitting in the seat  that's called the presidency of the united states  
00:40:28
and he's the only one he's the only one we all  know this because if giuliani was running this  
00:40:33
rally and said let's go storm the capital nobody  would have done it we all know this look yeah  
00:40:40
what do you think about this woman david  like think about the psychology of this  
00:40:44
person for a second the humanity of it  you know i'll say something i think um  
00:40:49
man politics is um isn't the problem it's  kind of a manifestation of the problem  
00:40:55
if you think about how crazy it is that i posted  a tweet about this the other day because i've been  
00:41:00
thinking about it a lot i think it's so crazy that  you can show people a tv ad or a facebook ad and  
00:41:06
get them to change their mind on what to vote  like um people are kind of shown stuff and the  
00:41:13
bigger problem is this kind of reductionism that's  um that's kind of enveloped all of this you know  
00:41:18
if you go back a hundred years i guarantee you  people were having deeper more civil conversations  
00:41:23
about differences of opinion and ways to  govern and um and and laws uh to govern us  
00:41:30
and i think like you know it's so easy to put  a 30-second kind of reductionist ad in front  
00:41:37
of someone uh incite their kind of amygdala to to  respond and change their mind about something or  
00:41:44
push them in some direction and i think that's  the bigger issue with like what's been going on  
00:41:47
is people are kind of being pushed all the way to  one side or pushed all the way to the other side  
00:41:51
um through this you know this this very kind of  simple process there is no dialogue to decide  
00:41:56
what candidate to vote for or dialogue to decide  um what path to take it's it's all insidious like  
00:42:02
lock his ass up you know kill them like everything  has become extremely binary um and the gray scale  
00:42:09
is really the reality and unfortunately we've  kind of really hurt ourselves in this tribalism  
00:42:13
over objectivism kind of approach to how  we uh talk as a society and how we debate  
00:42:20
and as a result people are pushed over the edge  and i think this is a manifestation of that  
00:42:25
broader problem which i think is probably  linked to the internet and short attention  
00:42:29
spans well this is going also why uh i  think the gop has just been completely  
00:42:37
you know but it's not just the gop dominated  now that what i'm saying they're all they they  
00:42:41
which i think is a good segue into georgia  but you can share the same about aoc  
00:42:45
and you could say that aoc is doing the same  to the democratic party and they're they're  
00:42:49
you know equally frustrated with this extremist  point of view or elizabeth warren or bernie  
00:42:53
sanders and they're you know none of them  got the nomination though right none of  
00:42:58
but they could have and they were close and  it was like hey look give everyone a million  
00:43:02
dollars okay great like and tax the rich 90  great like it's easy to say and and my point is  
00:43:07
by the way i think the root of a lot of this  is um is people are programmed to be unhappy  
00:43:13
right that's how you instigate people to take  action the the bottom 10 percent of americans  
00:43:18
make more money and have a better position  in life than the top 10 percent of kenyans  
00:43:24
and it's an incredible statistic if you think  about it go to dollarstreak.org or dollarspeak.com  
00:43:28
and you can actually play around and see what  different people live like around the world yet in  
00:43:33
the us we are told at every strata whether you're  wealthy or or not wealthy relative to others in  
00:43:39
the united states that you should be better off  and it is um you know happiness is the difference  
00:43:44
between expectation and outcome and everyone's  been set an expectation beyond what they currently  
00:43:48
have and as a result through programmatic work  that is done on people in the united states  
00:43:54
we are being told you should be unhappy oh and  by the way here's the short-term solution to  
00:44:00
resolve it and it's driving an incredible amount  of um of behavioral shift and it really threatens  
00:44:06
democracy as we saw this week and you guys  will remember my my big loser for the political  
00:44:12
loser for 2020 was the american uh democratic  institution and i think we saw that uh this week
00:44:19
on the on the heels of that can i  ask you guys what you think of this  
00:44:24
basically pelosi has told pence you have to  invoke the 25th amendment or they're going  
00:44:28
to take up impeachment what do you guys think  about that i think it's the right thing to do  
00:44:33
how do you do i think they have to be there has  to be a backstop against you what do you mean  
00:44:37
you could do something crazy you could still well  here's the thing i i i tweeted at free bahar about  
00:44:43
this if you are impeached uh successfully you  can't run again um so i think that this is a um  
00:44:50
a way to put the nail in the coffin of trump even  having the ability to run in 2024 which i think  
00:44:56
is why the democrats are on the right side of  history on this one that's my personality maybe  
00:44:59
they sign a non-prosecution agreement with him if  he resigns and that that's kind of the final you  
00:45:03
know i mean that's what i would like to see but  jason why can't you trust voters to make the right  
00:45:09
decision in 2024 i i um do i trust voters i it's  not about trusting the voters it's more about do i  
00:45:20
think there should be ramifications for somebody's  behavior that's that's my fear is that if he keeps  
00:45:26
getting away with stuff he could do something even  more violent or dangerous as chamod said earlier  
00:45:30
it's a miracle that a hundred people weren't  shot dead and this wasn't a firefight i mean if  
00:45:35
somebody takes out a gun at any moment during that  and people start shooting we could have hundreds  
00:45:39
of people americans dead not just the four who  died and i think trump is absolutely capable  
00:45:46
of doing something in the last 14 days if he did  this 15 days out why wouldn't he do something  
00:45:52
else seven days out or three days out he's a  maniac i mean this is insane deranged criminal  
00:45:59
lunatic behavior it's completely possible that he  could do something more dangerous in the last 14  
00:46:04
days i know that that sounds crazy but look at  what we saw yesterday i think i i think there  
00:46:11
is like a white knuckle element to the next two  weeks i think we're all kind of white knuckling it  
00:46:15
to you know to see what's gonna happen uh we have  300 hours to go till biden has sworn in and i've  
00:46:21
got to admit like i i'm counting down the hours  you know it's too insane nobody wants everything  
00:46:27
everybody's feeling everybody's feeling that um  that being said i i just think that i'm more on  
00:46:33
on fr freeberg's point of view on this that  we have this insane level of partisan warfare  
00:46:40
in the us it's gone to like a whole another level  and i just and and and trump has definitely made  
00:46:45
it worse and the storming of the capital is the  you know is the zenith of it it's the apex but  
00:46:51
look the other side's been doing it too  and the question is just how we de-escalate  
00:46:55
this insane person in the de-escalation chamath  isn't biden like being elected i think it is  
00:47:03
yeah i think it is it's like we picked the  most boring candidate who has the most milk  
00:47:07
toast middle of the road approach who who lindsey  graham likes and who travel the world with i mean  
00:47:15
lady g loves him well to the extent that biden has  a mandate this is it i mean and he talked about it  
00:47:21
in his victory speech that night which was  which was was quite good it's about bringing  
00:47:25
people together um now look i mean the the the  issue one of the issues is you can't ignore the  
00:47:31
fact that democrats for the last four years  have waged this insane partisan war against  
00:47:36
trump i mean let's not even go into the merits  but you had this two-year mueller witch-hunt you  
00:47:42
then had this uh impeachment uh you know crusade  which look if there was a lot of validity to the  
00:47:49
impeachment why wasn't it used as a campaign  issue last year i just think everybody knows  
00:47:53
let me ask you a question everybody knows  that was hyper partisan and and my point is  
00:47:58
that yeah look i mean i think it's a good thing  if biden can de-escalate things that that is  
00:48:03
that is i think why he won the election is  that he was seen as more of a sane alternative  
00:48:07
let me ask you a question saks do you think it  would have been do you think if trump had been  
00:48:13
impeached for the ukraine uh interference and  pence had taken over we would not have seen what  
00:48:18
we were seeing yesterday and the country  would have been further along to healing  
00:48:23
uh so you know no i mean pence would not have  invited or asked all of his supporters to come  
00:48:29
to the capitol to oppose the accounting the the  counting of the electors i look that was a unique  
00:48:36
trump thing for you know he could not accept  the loss and had to keep pushing and pushing and  
00:48:41
pushing on this idea that he that the election was  stolen okay so it would have been a good idea no  
00:48:47
no it wouldn't no it wouldn't because if you had  if you had impeached trump no well first of all he  
00:48:51
was impeached okay but if you had voted for victim  if you had removed him from office the senate had  
00:48:56
voted to convict over a phone call okay and look  i'm not defending the phone call i'm not saying  
00:49:02
the phone call was perfect okay i know trump says  it was perfect it was not a perfect phone call but  
00:49:06
you can't remove a sitting president for that okay  look it was unseemly or whatever i think we all  
00:49:12
know what he was trying to do in that phone call  but you can't remove a sitting president over that  
00:49:18
that was hyper partisan and so no the country  would be much further apart today if you had  
00:49:23
done that and and so the question now is well  how do you bring it back together and i think  
00:49:27
i understand where where where tamatha's  coming from i think that trump deserves  
00:49:32
morally culpably uh i think he he has a  repudiation some repudiation but but i  
00:49:39
don't believe in locking him up or or prosecuting  him that's only going to make things much more  
00:49:44
crime for this crime we we don't even know what  else is out there i mean i think yeah there's  
00:49:50
other issues out there let's talk about georgia  let's let's i think we've nailed the trump i mean  
00:49:54
unless anybody really feels like continuing  to talk stacy abrams is a genius i mean my  
00:49:59
gosh she should be in charge of everything  yeah can we get her on the vaccine rollout
00:50:04
well trump that's incredible it's incredible  stacey abbas did an incredible job on the  
00:50:07
democratic side mobilizing turnout um but the  reason why the republicans lost georgia is  
00:50:14
frankly trump i mean trump costs them georgia two  months ago purdue beat ossoff in that election he  
00:50:22
won he won he won and and he's beaten him before i  think he is uh i mean he's not the most wonderful  
00:50:28
candidate but i think he is a better candidate and  he lost because of these antics over the last two  
00:50:35
months culminating in that insane phone call that  trump had with the georgia securities we talked  
00:50:40
about rather right i mean should he get you to  fight for that sacks can't you just find me 11  
00:50:46
000 votes look i i just think you know which one  is more prosecutable sending people to the capitol  
00:50:52
or asking them and begging them to find him eleven  thousand votes which one is more prosecutable to  
00:50:57
you saks since you're gonna be framing us let's  wait jason hold on let's let's move on let's  
00:51:01
move away from the whole trump goes to jail for a  second i just wanna i think it's important to talk  
00:51:05
about georgia because i think david you're going  to make a point yeah exactly i mean look i think  
00:51:10
we're getting hung up too much on the legalities  and let's just talk about what's right and wrong  
00:51:13
you know which we is what we can agree on and  let you know lawyers and prosecutors figure out  
00:51:17
the legalities um ramesh panuru from national  view had a great quote about georgia he said  
00:51:24
that purdue and loffler could have survived any  two of these three being unimpressive candidates  
00:51:30
georgia shifting purple and trump being  a maniac and unfortunately you had three  
00:51:35
out of three and that's why they lost if uh  it was a great is a great quote uh you know  
00:51:41
you had the raffles burger call you know can't  you just find the 11 000 votes the day before  
00:51:46
the election or two days for the election i mean  that had to push swing voters and undecideds to  
00:51:51
the democrats and the other thing is that purdue  and loffler weren't able to make the best argument  
00:51:56
that they had which is if you vote for us you  end up with split you you prevent the democrats  
00:52:02
from having all the power in washington so unless  you want to give all the power in washington to a  
00:52:07
single party you need to vote for us that was the  best argument for voting for them because there's  
00:52:12
a lot of people in this country who believe  in splitting their ticket because they don't  
00:52:16
trust either party which is kind of where i'm  at um but they were unable to make that argument  
00:52:21
effectively because trump was still hanging on  to the idea that he was going to be president  
00:52:25
no i think david i honestly i think this comes  down to the intelligence of the candidates  
00:52:29
kelly lofter is a [ __ ] she's an idiot david  perdue's a good old boy he's an idiot they're  
00:52:35
just stupid this actually speaks to a bigger  problem which is the republicans could do so much  
00:52:40
better if they could actually find younger more  vibrant intelligent people and instead they find  
00:52:46
these [ __ ] morons i don't know where they find  them but you know they pulled kelly loffler out  
00:52:50
of some like backstage dallas beauty pageant and  just kind of like fluffed her up and tried to get  
00:52:54
her to run she's a [ __ ] loffler loffler was a  mistake loffler wasn't a mistake [ __ ] idiot did  
00:53:01
you read the story about her with the wnba but  i mean george i mean it's unbelievable georgia  
00:53:07
georgia is full of so many incredible  politicians and they found that idiot  
00:53:12
that that was a huge mistake if they just voted or  yeah i mean the governor made a huge mistake they  
00:53:16
put they appointed her to the last two months  uh i so i agree that she's a particularly weak  
00:53:21
candidate but the republicans only needed one of  these two elections and purdue had beaten assaf  
00:53:26
before i agree with you he's not necessarily  the greatest candidate of all time but he has  
00:53:30
proved better than ossoff in the past including  november and the reason why he lost two months  
00:53:35
later is because what's transpired in the last two  months biden has acted presidential and trump has  
00:53:40
done what he's done and that that made all the  difference and and that by the way is why you're  
00:53:45
seeing the republicans breaking from trump they  were already on their way to breaking with him and  
00:53:50
then you had this david story of the capital what  are the implications for josh hawley and ted cruz  
00:53:56
i i think i think this was a blow to them because  i think that what they were doing in terms of uh  
00:54:04
opposing the the the electors uh everybody knew  it was sort of cynical and theater it was theater  
00:54:12
it was performative theater designed to curry  favor with trump so that he might endorse them  
00:54:18
in 2024 for the nomination and it was it was it  was optionistic and the problem is it backfired  
00:54:24
horribly and you know people now see it for what  it was and so yeah i think it's gonna ultimately  
00:54:30
they tried to do something optionistic that they  thought would help them politically and i think  
00:54:34
it's gonna hurt them but wait i have to ask you  guys do you guys know the backstory of loffler  
00:54:40
and the atlantic dream the wnba team it's tears  honestly jason i'm going to get so angry because  
00:54:45
she is just a complete piece of [ __ ] please  don't i i'm you can bring it up i i think she just  
00:54:50
don't think saks and friberg are aware of this  but i think she's a complete piece of [ __ ] she  
00:54:55
basically tells the story it's basically she  was anti-blm and she was writing letters to the  
00:55:03
nba wnba to not allow the players to to be vocal  about black lives matter with the you know after  
00:55:10
the killing of um the murder of george floyd and  uh so what the team did if you look at that story  
00:55:18
is they backed warnock uh they got on the  call with him they refused to say her name  
00:55:23
and uh they rallied the support of warnock uh  who ultimately uh beat her and they refused  
00:55:29
to say her name i just ever again if you the  players are saying if you want to see courage  
00:55:35
the women that play in the wnba are some of the  most incredible people yes these these are women  
00:55:43
that have basically stopped their athletic career  stopped fame you know stopped all of the attention  
00:55:49
in some cases stopped fortunes to work on behalf  of criminal justice reform to basically overturn  
00:55:56
you know uh unjust convictions these women are  incredible and then to be suppressed to be able  
00:56:02
to say what was on their mind kelly loffler is  a piece of [ __ ] and they basically wore these  
00:56:08
vote warnock t-shirts every day at every game i  mean imagine and then now they're i think going  
00:56:15
to be forced to go to those women yeah i give them  uh sue bird i think is the uh was the leader of  
00:56:20
the whole movement yeah bravo to her all right  moving on from politics i think we have to talk  
00:56:26
freeberg about the deployment of the vaccine um  i i did a quick poll on twitter and twitter and  
00:56:33
the american people have asked that friedberg  the queen of quinoa be responsible for the  
00:56:39
vaccine distribution going forward really  i'm in let's do it uh i would what did you  
00:56:46
i would get that vaccine into everyone's arms in  75 days i mean it was you would be such a stone  
00:56:53
cold yeah that would be amazing yeah i don't know  free freebird what would you do differently and  
00:56:59
maybe you could describe you know we were supposed  to be at a million a day we're at 350 trending  
00:57:04
towards 400. we did 1.5 million in 72 hours  according to fauci at one point uh right after the  
00:57:10
new year so we're kind of like halfway where we  need to be what would you do differently because  
00:57:16
the rollout seems we have more than 50 percent  are on the shelves still in arms it is a wartime  
00:57:23
scenario when war is happening you don't go home  at 5 00 p.m and wake up at 9 00 a.m and clock out  
00:57:30
for an hour for lunch and you know you don't uh  oh well don't run too fast you know you might trip  
00:57:35
you don't do any of that we've created  incredible disincentives in the system  
00:57:40
by in fact cuomo put out a million dollar fine  if uh if you get your vaccine out of line i mean  
00:57:48
think about the disincentive that creates now  people are more scared about giving the vaccine  
00:57:52
to the wrong person then they are incentivized  to give the vaccine to the right person  
00:57:58
and the reality is this is a group game this  isn't an individual game it's not about who  
00:58:03
gets vaccinated first and you'll live and you'll  die we all need to get vaccinated as a group so  
00:58:09
that we all have immunity so that this virus stops  spreading it doesn't matter if you're individually  
00:58:14
vaccinated it matters if we're all vaccinated  because that's the only way we're all going to get  
00:58:18
out of the economic slump that is truly damaging  this country right now and so the first step  
00:58:23
is create a military style operation figure out  how many feet on the ground you know it's all a  
00:58:29
rate based system right how many are you running  per day and then how do you achieve that objective  
00:58:33
and over time you have your target rate per day  you would scale it up over 75 days or whatever  
00:58:38
your rollout time frame needs to be and you would  say this is how we're going to get there we need  
00:58:42
this number of people giving shots this many  minutes apart and then you go figure out where  
00:58:46
you're going to give the shots and who's going  to give them get the vaccines to where they need  
00:58:50
to get to take over all the gymnasiums and all the  stadiums and all the open sports facilities around  
00:58:55
the country people can drive up stand in line get  a freaking shot and 65 year olds get priority for  
00:59:01
the first 30 days and then after 30 days your 65  and over crowd loses their priority and it's open  
00:59:07
season for who wants to get a shot you stand in  line you get a shot walk in you got 3.8 million  
00:59:12
nurses in the united states you go contract 500  000 of them you give them a huge friggin one-time  
00:59:18
bonus to come and run this program you run 24-hour  shifts in the gymnasiums around the country  
00:59:22
people come in they get shots they get out takes  three minutes if you're feeling weird if you have  
00:59:27
risk of allergies you go sit in the other room  you wait for two hours and there's a bunch of  
00:59:30
roaming nurses keep an eye on you and you get this  thing done that's it this is not that complicated  
00:59:36
and we can leverage the national guard to create  the infrastructure to support these lines and  
00:59:40
get these things done we can go recruit there  are plenty of nurses associations you can go  
00:59:43
people can work overnight shifts and get  paid triple overtime get extra bonuses for  
00:59:47
doing this is a great way to kind of create  an economic stimulus around this we can get  
00:59:51
this entire country vaccinated in 90 days and the  way that uh israel is doing it is a great model  
00:59:56
you know when they run out describe that yeah so  at the end of the day if uh you know when you open  
01:00:02
when you take these things out of deep freeze  you're at risk of them spoiling at that point  
01:00:05
because the mrna is very um you know can break and  so it needs to be really cold and then you gotta  
01:00:09
give the vaccine very quickly otherwise the mrna  can degrade and it's not effective and you have to  
01:00:14
defrost it in order to give it yes you defrost  it then it's sitting there now you got to give  
01:00:17
it within a couple hours and if you've got extra  juices complicated what they're doing in israel  
01:00:22
is they're looking outside they grab the pizza  guy that's on the bicycle truck on the bicycle  
01:00:26
cruising by they're like do you want a shot come  on in they give them a shot they grab the next  
01:00:29
guy you do not need to track everyone that gets a  shot you do not need everyone to show their id to  
01:00:33
get a shot you do not need to x y and z all the  disincentives that create friction in the system  
01:00:38
of rolling out the vaccine need to be completely  eliminated there's no qualifying criteria except  
01:00:43
maybe being 65 and over for the first 30 days  and we've prioritized politics um over health and  
01:00:49
safety we have made it the case that the teachers  should get the shot first because the teachers  
01:00:54
unions created an uproar in california and said  they're not going to go to work unless they  
01:00:56
so now the teachers are going to get it and the  essential workers are going to get it which are  
01:01:00
people that are working in stores and warehouses  and other stuff and meanwhile the people that can  
01:01:04
actually die from this 15 likelihood of death  if you're over 85 are not getting it because  
01:01:09
they're not technically an essential worker so  the prioritization where we've tried to create  
01:01:12
these artificial politically motivated systems  for defining who gets the vaccine and who doesn't  
01:01:17
is absolutely killing us and literally killing us  4 000 people died yesterday in the united states  
01:01:22
and so the system has [ __ ] up the incentives  we've and don't bleep that out because that's  
01:01:27
exactly what it is the disincentives we've created  are destroying um the rollout um the uh the  
01:01:34
governor's getting involved in creating models of  prioritization that are politically motivated are  
01:01:38
killing us and and we should centrally plan this  thing ward production act make a [ __ ] ton of the  
01:01:42
stuff grab it all get a hundred million doses  distributed into gymnasiums around the country  
01:01:47
get the nurses in there get the national guard  it should have been federal i mean that's the  
01:01:50
key this should have been effort central planning  is sometimes needed to get [ __ ] done we did it  
01:01:54
with the war production board during world war  ii we did it with the manhattan project we there  
01:01:59
have been countless examples where we've had to  centralize planning for a massive short-term event  
01:02:05
and this is one of those events and this needs to  be um prioritized and organized centrally and it  
01:02:11
needs to have the right-minded people on this  not kind of people that are you know political  
01:02:15
operatives and not people that are working nine  to five um well the good news is this is this is  
01:02:19
a war and we need to go win the [ __ ] war i mean  trump trump has time he said he's at camp david  
01:02:25
this weekend so i think he can put some attention  to it saks can i ask a question freeburg so  
01:02:32
you know uh what do you think about just  using markets to distribute the vaccine  
01:02:36
it's a great idea i think you know you have to  get the incentive such that kind based systems  
01:02:40
are the incentive right because the objective here  is to get as many people vaccinated as quickly as  
01:02:44
possible so take that being your objective and  then figure out look you guys are going to get  
01:02:49
a thousand dollars per person vaccinated in the  first 15 days and then you're going to get 500 and  
01:02:53
then you know whatever the transition is and then  anyone can sign up to buy doses at a at a cost so  
01:02:59
they they have skin in the game right that's  an alternative so let walgreens and cvs buy 50  
01:03:04
million doses and then they're incentivized to get  them rolled out as quickly as possible let them do  
01:03:07
the work sure um and frankly if a few people have  anaphylactic reactions across the country that's  
01:03:13
just the reality in war you have some casualties  this can't be perfect it has to be good enough  
01:03:18
to win the war um well by the way when somebody  goes into anaphylactic shock just to clarify that  
01:03:24
yeah you get an epi shot it's not fatal if you  have an epipen that's right and so um so you know  
01:03:30
when you get a uh when you get a um uh you know  a vaccine if you get one of these vaccines 40 to  
01:03:37
60 percent of people are gonna have some sort of  reaction you can have a fever because these are  
01:03:41
these produce a ton of proteins in your body  relative to what you would normally you know kind  
01:03:45
of experience with it with a dead vaccine there's  a lot of vaccines in your body there's a lot of  
01:03:49
protein in your body your body reacts to get rid  of that protein you produce all these antibodies  
01:03:52
very quickly so you end up having a fever you end  up having some some allergic response or headaches  
01:03:57
or flushing or whatever so everyone's going to  have a lot of people are going to have some sort  
01:04:01
of thing so one of the concerns is they want to  have nurses available and they want to have this  
01:04:05
feel like a controlled medical environment but  again the reality is we have to sack it up we have  
01:04:10
to accept the fact that people are going to be  uncomfortable it is not going to be an easy simple  
01:04:14
vaccine like you get the flu vaccine at walgreens  it's going to be a little bit uncomfortable  
01:04:18
you may not have five or six nurses surrounding  you and getting all the tlc that americans have  
01:04:22
become used to getting every time we you know  brush our freaking teeth and uh and we're gonna  
01:04:27
have some people going to anaphylactic shock and  they're gonna get epipen shots and and you know  
01:04:31
um and we shouldn't be charging 1500 for epipen  shots that's another you know important point but  
01:04:36
i think the market based model could work as well  so hasn't israel done this right i mean israel  
01:04:41
they moved the old people to the front of the line  but anybody can get in line if they've got extra  
01:04:46
doses that day they just keep sticking people  they keep jabbing people until they run out all  
01:04:51
day long till they run out that's right and so  they're probably at 20 of the population by now  
01:04:56
yeah so i i'm sure we all agree with everything  you're saying it speaks to an enormous amount of  
01:05:02
political incompetence i mean it's really really  just unbelievable why we just don't have smarter  
01:05:09
people in charge of these things but zach i  just want to ask you because you know there is  
01:05:13
the conservative argument on this which is um you  know states the federal government shouldn't be  
01:05:17
doing everything and states need to kind of manage  their populace and manage you know what what goes  
01:05:22
on locally you know what is the conservative i'm  not asking you this and i'm not attacking you i'm  
01:05:27
just asking like what is the conservative argument  for not doing central planning and central um  
01:05:31
organization around vaccine distribution  and delegating it to states and you know  
01:05:36
are are there you know do you think that there's  a case against um you know for that that's pretty  
01:05:41
strong in within the republican party and  within kind of conservative rights i i i  
01:05:46
i think if there's a conservative point  of view on this it would just be that  
01:05:50
let markets distribute the vaccine they'll do a  much better job i don't you know i think whether  
01:05:54
it's federal or state the question is who's  more incompetent and i'm not really sure um  
01:06:00
i mean i i think the problem right now is that  when you make vaccine distribution fundamentally  
01:06:05
political then the debate becomes about exactly  who's what is your position going to be exactly in  
01:06:12
line as opposed to just running the most number of  people through the process as quickly as possible  
01:06:17
we're getting ourselves so twisted up in knots  over making sure that the exact right person is  
01:06:22
in line that we're having you know vaccine go  to waste yeah just to put that in context 21  
01:06:30
million plus doses have been  distributed in the united states  
01:06:34
5.9 have made their way into people's arms  in other words there are 15 millions over  
01:06:39
75 percent of doses have not gone in people's  arms and in california we have distributed 5.85  
01:06:48
of the population's vaccines but we've only put  1.3 in people's arms so we are literally uh 4x  
01:06:56
where we should be we're at 25 of where we  should be it is absolutely unbelievable that  
01:07:01
this is happening and if the government if the  government's if the government stopped trying  
01:07:06
to do anything except you know look it it did  operation warp speed that actually did help get  
01:07:11
vaccines done faster but if you just that was just  money to your point sacks all they did was create  
01:07:16
a market where they basically pre-bought all the  vaccines whether or not they were going to work  
01:07:20
and then funded the market to go and produce them  early that's all that it was so to your point that  
01:07:25
operation warp speed for everyone thinking  it's a massive centrally controlled effort  
01:07:29
it was a market-based incentive they put it  wasn't the manhattan project is what you're saying  
01:07:33
they put up a couple of millions yeah they  put up a couple billion dollars and said to  
01:07:37
all these pharma companies go produce the vaccine  and if it works we'll buy them if it doesn't work  
01:07:42
throw them away but let's get production going and  that was it can i can i use this as a segue like  
01:07:47
i mean what we're seeing is sort of we have  a bunch of elected officials we give them  
01:07:54
you know an enormous amount of responsibility  they also get this implied power and then you just  
01:08:01
you see sometimes in these acute moments they're  totally derelict then i just want to move off of  
01:08:07
vaccines for a second then you get an elected  official who is not acutely incompetent but it  
01:08:13
seems broadly grossly and consistently incompetent  and i want to talk about chessa boudin and i i  
01:08:19
want to use sax's article which to be very honest  david was probably one of the most incredibly  
01:08:27
well-written things well done you have ever  created i don't know jason do we have show notes  
01:08:33
can we put it in we'll put it in the show notes  yeah we'll put a link in the show notes um it is  
01:08:38
so [ __ ] good what you wrote if everybody folks  who are listening have a chance to read david's  
01:08:43
killer d.a the killer d.a um but it basically you  know starts with a profile of this young woman  
01:08:49
seemed like an incredible woman that was killed  by this uh drunk driver uh but anyways david do  
01:08:54
you want to talk about it yeah i mean so for the  last with let's say for the last couple of months  
01:08:59
i've been following the san francisco uh a couple  of san francisco police department accounts on  
01:09:04
twitter and i was noticing these extraordinary  tweets which are getting retweeted a lot about  
01:09:08
how they kept uh arresting and then having to  let go of all these criminals who are committing  
01:09:15
burglaries and other crimes and you could see  the frustration of the police department boiling  
01:09:21
off these tweets and you know basically they are  sub-tweeting this new district attorney that we've  
01:09:26
had chase of boudin who was elected uh he's been  in office about a year he's elected the end of  
01:09:31
2019 and so i started doing a little bit of  research and then we had this horrible new  
01:09:37
year's eve killing of this you know uh wonderful  young woman uh hannah abe who came to america from  
01:09:44
japan for college and stayed here for work  she was just 27 years old she gets killed by  
01:09:49
uh by by a a criminal someone who was  released who was paroled by chase abudeen  
01:09:56
uh back in april he had been in jail for armed  robbery uh chase uh released him as part of a plea  
01:10:03
bargain and then he was arrested five more times  for stealing cars and other crimes most recently  
01:10:10
two weeks ago and the d.a refused to press  charges and that that's the reason he was out  
01:10:16
on new year's eve he stole a car and then  there was this hit-and-run where he killed  
01:10:20
hannah and another woman and so you know i had  already been noticing this issue and so i started  
01:10:26
doing some some research and i have a research  assistant helping me with this is the only way  
01:10:31
i could put something like this together  and we went pretty deep and we realized that  
01:10:36
the death of of hannah wasn't just an accident  or an act of negligence by this d.a it was part  
01:10:42
of an overall philosophy of decarceration that he  has but he his his background is very interesting  
01:10:51
he was a child of parents who were in the weather  underground who when he was just a baby committed  
01:10:56
armed robbery and were part of the murder which is  david yeah david say the words they were domestic  
01:11:02
terrorists yeah they were they were that's right  they were domestic terrorists uh they participated  
01:11:06
in an armed robbery against the brinks truck  which is these were domestic terrorists that  
01:11:09
were competent when compared to what we  saw yesterday in the capital like these are  
01:11:14
highly capable domestic terrorists to be clear  i don't know i don't know how capable they were  
01:11:20
their their robbery results in the death of  two police officers and a brinks guard and  
01:11:24
they were put in prison his mother spent  20 years in prison she's now released her  
01:11:28
his father is still in prison uh for almost 40  40 years and he's described in interviews how  
01:11:36
his earliest memories are visiting his parents in  prison and how this shaped his entire political  
01:11:40
outlook and he became a public defender which i  think was a pretty good place for him i think if i  
01:11:46
were an indigent you know criminal defendant  i would want someone like chase of beauty on  
01:11:50
my side and but the problem is he ran for  district attorney and he simply doesn't  
01:11:55
believe in prosecuting huge numbers of crimes  uh you know certainly property crimes burglary  
01:12:03
shoplifting vandalism and those crimes have  absolutely spiked in the city you know a 45  
01:12:11
increase in burglaries in one year 35 percent  increase in stolen cars 30 increase in homicides  
01:12:18
crimes are through the roof because he simply  doesn't believe in putting people in jail well you  
01:12:25
know can i just say this can i tell you sorry let  me just uh point out there's a there's a little  
01:12:29
bit of a history to um to this notion that da's  should change the criminal justice system there's  
01:12:35
a ted talk uh by a guy named adam faw sex i don't  know if you've seen it or if any of you guys have  
01:12:39
watched it i i i was at the ted conference the  year that he spoke but this guy um basically  
01:12:45
thought you know he made the case that it is the  role and the opportunity for the district attorney  
01:12:49
for the prosecutor to change the criminal justice  system from the prosecutorial side that you can  
01:12:54
um you know kind of demotivate jail and and and  other kind of um you know mechanisms of punishment  
01:13:02
uh and and push for uh for a rehabilitation  program as an alternative and that the district  
01:13:07
attorneys can take this this roll on of changing  the criminal justice system and it created a  
01:13:11
little bit of a mini movement and there was a lot  of attention and follow-up after he gave his ted  
01:13:14
talk and i think san francisco in large part  picked up on the uh the momentum coming out of  
01:13:20
this and other similar sort of stories about the  d.a can really change the criminal justice system  
01:13:25
and chesapeake really kind of capitalized on it  in principle a lot of people are motivated from  
01:13:30
a good place when they elected him which is it is  unfortunate a lot of people get trapped in a life  
01:13:34
of crime and the fact that they're in and out of  prison is a result of the fact that they're put  
01:13:39
into the criminal justice system in the first  place and parole is really harsh on people and  
01:13:43
all these other reasons why people's lives are  ruined for simple mistakes and if they get an  
01:13:48
opportunity in life they can fix themselves  and they can come out um in a better place  
01:13:52
so there is a bit of an origin story it's not just  like san francisco said let's get an anarchist to  
01:13:56
brda and destroy the world and kill us all like  i think it came from a good and true place where  
01:14:02
this all kind of originated but obviously the  experiment has gone severely awry in san francisco  
01:14:06
and his particular methods uh and his particular  actions have certainly caused far more harm than  
01:14:12
anyone has seen any good as that's what we pointed  out they've started a recall effort for him too  
01:14:17
well i think that i think the danger is not that  you have um an enlightened political philosophy  
01:14:24
i think that's actually quite great then that we  can experiment i think the danger is both on the  
01:14:28
left and on the right where people cathartically  deal with childhood trauma through their job  
01:14:34
and you know i don't know what jessa boudin has  gone through and i feel very bad that he had an  
01:14:38
incredibly hard life um or complicated or maybe  not i don't even know but i wouldn't want to know  
01:14:46
that he's trying to deal with his own experiences  through his job because that's not his job meaning  
01:14:54
you know you don't want an activist d.a i think  you want a d.a that's enforcing the laws and what  
01:15:00
you do want is you want to elect politicians  who change the laws to reflect our values  
01:15:05
yeah that would be a better through line  i think and and really i mean if you look  
01:15:09
at what's happening in san francisco i think  we've conflated income inequality which people  
01:15:16
in san francisco are very tuned into with  essentially junkies people who are addicted to  
01:15:23
incredibly hardcore drugs that are very hard  to get off of and we've had more deaths from  
01:15:29
overdoses of fentanyl than we've had  from kovid by a magnitude of four or  
01:15:34
five i mean it is bedlam on the streets  of san francisco and if you don't enforce  
01:15:41
a basic rule of law what happens is the price of  drugs gets cheaper more available more people try  
01:15:48
them more people get addicted and then more people  come from other places because they know you have  
01:15:52
the lowest price on drugs and the price of drugs  is inversely correlated with prosecution of  
01:15:58
drug crimes so prosecution of crime so this is  why san francisco is spiraling and most drugs are  
01:16:04
purchased from criminal funds so you know criminal  activity goes up to fund the drug purchasing so  
01:16:08
that that's the vicious cycle that's driving  san francisco and there's a recall going on and  
01:16:14
then in related news gavin newsom is now up to a  million signatures in his recall which i think is  
01:16:22
two-thirds of the way there yeah they have  until mid or late february they're going to  
01:16:27
get the votes and i think i think the question you  know friedrich and i talked about this just on a  
01:16:33
phone call he and i caught up a couple days ago i  think it is time guys for us to find an incredibly  
01:16:40
centrist thoughtful candidate and put them into  the recall race um against uh newsome burke had  
01:16:47
the best idea which was kim kardashian which i  think is incredible because she is very smart  
01:16:52
she's very likable she's got enormous distribution  she's like uh she's about to become a lawyer you  
01:16:57
know that'll be the amazing the best platform for  kardashian to run for president look it's pretty  
01:17:02
clear you know recognition influence fame is what  gets people elected you know not the best policy  
01:17:08
and not the greatest experience from jesse ventura  to arnold schwarzenegger to donald trump robert  
01:17:14
ronald reagan i mean these are celebrities who i  would argue in the case of jesse ventura arnold  
01:17:19
schwarzenegger or maybe even donald trump as well  their celebrity was kind of you know it had hit  
01:17:24
it's it's it's media-driven apex and and this was  a second act and you know perhaps someone like  
01:17:30
that is a great fit here uh kim kardashian really  fits the bill but um uh you know i that's just a  
01:17:38
shot in the dark but i do think someone like that  needs to go up because if you put politician up  
01:17:41
again it's another one of these rolling events and  for uh you know for the populist to kind of really  
01:17:46
find appeal it has to be a recognized person  you know broadly recognized and liked person
01:17:54
um governorjason.com i'm not ready to  run for political office i'm 50 and  
01:18:02
when i'm 60 i would consider it actually but not  right now i wonder what i've got to hop to i think  
01:18:08
we all got to hop but i was going to say one  thing which is the beginning of today's podcast  
01:18:12
was probably the punchiest it's ever been and i  think it just speaks to the fact that there was so  
01:18:18
the bar was so high for trump to  have done something that would have  
01:18:22
actually gotten us to actually  argue and interrupt each other  
01:18:25
you know because we've been so incredibly  like loving and protective of each other  
01:18:30
for four years on this topic but it literally  took an armed insurrection for us to finalize
01:18:39
the these well i mean i think it's good for people  to see sacks maybe and i or chamoth and sax or  
01:18:48
whoever disagree on some of these cases or friberg  you know doesn't believe in prosecuting trump i  
01:18:53
think we actually had a split ticket there where  saxon freeberg felt like we shouldn't prosecute  
01:18:57
trump and chamoth and i were in the prosecute  trump one but i think we're all struggling with  
01:19:02
these issues all americans are struggling with  these issues of how do you deal with a black swan  
01:19:06
event i think that's what's so unique about trump  is and i think david you could speak to this is i  
01:19:11
don't think the system was designed for his level  of crazy right like our system is based on norms  
01:19:19
and traditions and trust just like venture  investing is and we see this in venture investing  
01:19:24
some founder goes off the jumps the fence and  all of a sudden you know yeah i mean we still  
01:19:30
i would say our system performed pretty well in  terms of being stress tested and well look we  
01:19:35
still got two more weeks you know i think we're  all kind of we're all kind of white knuckling it  
01:19:39
right now yeah yeah hopefully nothing else happens  but but look if if trump's goal was a coup you  
01:19:48
know i think it's a strong word but if it like  it totally failed i mean he didn't come close to  
01:19:53
no uh to succeeding in a coup um the opposite in  fact the opposite he again we talked about how  
01:20:00
i think his he destroyed his popularity over the  last two months he he impacted his earnings by  
01:20:06
negative two billion dollars yeah so uh but  but but you know but to this point about us  
01:20:12
agreeing or disagreeing you know i saw  a whole bunch of uh fans of the pod  
01:20:16
like at mentioning me saying i wonder what  saks is gonna say about this i don't know  
01:20:20
what like yeah and i'm kind of like like what do  they think i'm gonna say like they think i'm gonna  
01:20:25
be supportive of this i mean you know like i i  i think somehow you jason you've programmed the  
01:20:31
viewers that i like i'm somehow like the the  trump the trump guy uh you know because you're  
01:20:37
always trolling me as the trump supporter i mean  i i would believe that russia was a hoax and that  
01:20:43
would have been treated the same climbing  up those steps we all know that's not true  
01:20:48
some of these are self-inflicted wounds of  your own gonna take some ownership there  
01:20:52
boys boys i gotta hop okay i love you very  much happy new year happy new year our best  
01:20:57
i will say one thing before we meet next time i  guarantee you some highly unexpected and highly  
01:21:03
impactful thing will occur please know can we  get back to talking about spax or the bachelor  
01:21:11
we didn't even even talk about uh my spac today  oh yeah yeah anyway okay give it a plug go ahead  
01:21:16
and snap no i mean just explain to people he  doesn't need to plug it double today it's insane  
01:21:20
all right we'll explain why poe ipoe is merging  with sofi um it's an incredible company led by  
01:21:26
an incredible ceo anthony noto um you can read a  little one pager on my website but um anyways guys  
01:21:33
more importantly to all the listeners out there  happy new year to all of you guys let's make 2021  
01:21:38
kick ass yep um i love you guys you i miss  you i'll see you guys soon play poker soon  
01:21:43
oh look there's somebody yeah i got it  interrupted i got to go all right we'll  
01:21:46
see you all i got introduced next time check us  out young spielberg take us out young spielberg
01:22:09
to the fans and they've just gone crazy with it
01:22:31
we should all just get a room and just have one  big huge orgy because they're all just useless  
01:22:35
it's like it's like sexual tension that they just
01:22:44
we need to get back i'm going on

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Episode Highlights

  • The Storming of the Capitol
    A chaotic event where thousands overwhelmed police, leading to serious consequences.
    “Four people are dead.”
    @ 07m 50s
    January 08, 2021
  • Double Standards in Protests
    A discussion on the differing responses to protests based on race.
    “This is a stark contrast of a double standard.”
    @ 15m 03s
    January 08, 2021
  • Trump's Culpability
    A debate on whether Trump incited the insurrection at the Capitol.
    “He loaded the gun and pointed it in a certain direction.”
    @ 22m 33s
    January 08, 2021
  • The Divide in the Nation
    Discussion on the incredible divide in the nation and the best way to heal it.
    “We really do need to question the incredible divide in the nation.”
    @ 24m 08s
    January 08, 2021
  • Prosecuting Trump: A Difficult Decision
    Debate on whether prosecuting Trump would do more harm than good for the country.
    “Prosecuting Trump at this point might be unnecessarily divisive and partisan.”
    @ 25m 38s
    January 08, 2021
  • The Role of Responsibility
    Exploration of personal responsibility among those who stormed the Capitol and the influence of Trump.
    “They were duped by a lot of people, including Trump, but they made the decision to act.”
    @ 38m 39s
    January 08, 2021
  • The Insanity of Trump
    Discussion on Trump's potential for violence and deranged behavior in the final days of his presidency.
    “This is insane deranged criminal lunatic behavior.”
    @ 45m 52s
    January 08, 2021
  • Stacey Abrams' Impact
    Stacey Abrams is praised for her exceptional political mobilization efforts in Georgia.
    “Stacey Abrams is a genius.”
    @ 49m 54s
    January 08, 2021
  • Vaccine Rollout Challenges
    Critique of the vaccine distribution process and the political motivations affecting it.
    “The disincentives we've created are destroying the rollout.”
    @ 01h 01m 27s
    January 08, 2021
  • Vaccine Distribution Crisis
    Over 75% of vaccine doses distributed in the U.S. have not been administered.
    “It's absolutely unbelievable that this is happening.”
    @ 01h 07m 01s
    January 08, 2021
  • Chesa Boudin's Controversial Policies
    San Francisco's DA faces backlash as crime rates soar under his leadership.
    “It's bedlam on the streets of San Francisco.”
    @ 01h 15m 29s
    January 08, 2021
  • Celebrity Politics
    Discussion on the potential of Kim Kardashian as a candidate in political races.
    “She is very smart, very likable, and has enormous distribution.”
    @ 01h 16m 52s
    January 08, 2021

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Key Moments

  • All Hell Breaks Loose01:45
  • Shootout Potential08:18
  • Healing the Divide24:08
  • Prosecution Debate25:38
  • Personal Responsibility38:39
  • Urgent Call to Action1:02:19
  • Vaccine Distribution1:06:30
  • Chesa Boudin1:08:13

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