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"Harvard Is Cooked" Chamath Palihapitiya On Harvard’s Future

July 08, 2025 / 06:19

This episode discusses Title IX violations at Harvard, the impact of federal funding cuts, and the future of higher education in light of AI and the internet.

The conversation begins with a focus on Title IX violations in admissions at Harvard and other Ivy League schools, particularly regarding discrimination against Asian students. The hosts mention a report from the Wall Street Journal highlighting a potential billion-dollar budget shortfall for Harvard if funding cuts are implemented.

Jason and Freeberg discuss the leverage President Trump holds over Harvard, including the possibility of changing their nonprofit status and imposing taxes on their endowments. They emphasize the financial challenges Harvard may face in the near future.

The discussion shifts to the role of the internet and AI in transforming education, suggesting that these technologies could democratize access to knowledge and disrupt traditional higher education models.

Freeberg argues that the current model of prestigious institutions is being challenged, as independent research funding and alternative educational frameworks emerge, potentially reshaping the landscape of higher education.

TL;DR

Harvard faces financial challenges and Title IX violations as AI and the internet disrupt traditional education models.

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Harvard's cooked, Jason. Harvard's
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cooked. Explain. It turns out, and
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there's been a lot of people that's
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posted about this on X, but there
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continues to be rampant Title 9
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violations with respect to admissions. I
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think Creme
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Nick, you can probably find it. I think
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he published one that Colombia was
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continuing to discriminate against Asian
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students. Harvard's original case was
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against Asian students. There was a
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bunch of woke stuff at other Ivy League
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schools like UPUPEN. There's all this
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rampant anti-semitism. It all needs to
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get fixed. And so I think that if you
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get a deal done, Harvard will have to
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capitulate. I think President Trump
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holds all the leverage and all the cards
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and there's nothing mathematically that
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Harvard can do. They can stall for
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probably another year and a half, but at
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some point they will not have the budget
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to sustain themselves and they're going
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to get into a huge world of hurt. What
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they will have to do in order to finance
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their budget in probably 18 months is
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start to actively sell their private
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equity portfolio, which by the way from
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2019 to this year almost doubled from 20
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to 40%. So, an insane asset allocation,
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frankly, an asset misallocation at the
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top of the market to the most illquid
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asset class. And when people sniff this
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out, what they're going to do is Harvard
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was able to sell a billion dollars
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recently of private equity stuff in
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managers that they didn't want to
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support anymore at a 7% discount.
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There is no smart money on the street
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that's going to look at any private
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equity portfolio from Harvard without
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asking for a 20 25 30 35 40% discount
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because your back will be totally
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against the wall. And if you don't ask
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for that, you're just a bad businessman.
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So if you put all of these things
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together, they're going to need to
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reestablish federal funding. But in
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order to do it, I think the president
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has been very, very clear and for
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whatever reason, they've refused to want
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to address these issues. But the Ivy
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League, there's just something
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fundamentally broken.
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Well, and Freeberg,
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the Wall Street Journal, reported on
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Wednesday that Harvard would face a
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billion dollar budget shortfall every
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year if Trump followed through on his
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funding cuts and tax hikes. He was also
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saber rattling that he would get rid of
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their nonprofit status or maybe change
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how the endowments worked. A lot of uh
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tools I think that he could deploy here.
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And uh
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there's an excise tax by the way in the
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BBB that taxes foundation assets. I
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don't know what the final language was,
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but there is a there was a version that
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I saw where excise tax on foundations
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was upwards of 8% a year. I don't know
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if that was the final version, but
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that's an enormous amount. Let's just
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say it's half that. Let's just say it's
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4%. But if you're paying 4% tax on your
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endowment every year, it all of a sudden
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starts to add up. That's like, you know,
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for Harvard like$2.5 extra billion
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dollars a year. that they have to pay.
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And uh Freeberg, reportedly Harvard is
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at the table and in discussions with the
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White House after a couple of months of
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defiance. What's your take on this? Is
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this an important priority for America
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and for the Trump administration? Is it
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a sideshow? What are your thoughts on
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the larger ramifications of this?
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Let me just suspend the brand and
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history and legacy of Harvard for a
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second.
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Sure.
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And just talk about these
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call them prestigious higher education
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institutions. What are the two primary
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functions of these institutions? The
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first is to educate students and the
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second is to conduct research or to
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create facilities for research. Remember
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these institutions do not direct
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research. They recruit and enable
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researchers to apply for grants to get
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funding to do their research and then
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they educate kids. I think the internet
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was the first leg on the stool to break
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higher education.
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The internet democratized access to
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information and knowledge. You can watch
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MIT graduate courses. All of the core
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kind of educational content that is
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delivered in prestigious
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higher education institutions has been
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largely democratized and is broadly
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available for free on the internet.
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That's an incredible transition that's
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happened for humanity, for society, for
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the world. AI is the next leg of the
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stool to break. And I think that AI may
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actually break education. It may break
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higher education and then eventually it
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may make its way all the way down to
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childhood in terms of rethinking from
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first principles. How do we educate? How
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is an individual getting educated? And
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what are the other benefits they get
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from an educational system besides just
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core domain knowledge? There's also
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socialization and experience with
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project-based work. But I think that AI
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fundamentally rewrites the ability for
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an individual to get a good quality
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education. And we could see kids in
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Africa and kids in South Asia getting
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the equivalent of a Harvard graduate
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school degree at a cost of zero through
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personalized tutoring enabled through AI
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and the ubiquitous access to knowledge
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and information. So that core function
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of the university I think is broken and
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they're now starting to reconcile what
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that actually means for the long-term
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viability of all of these higher
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educational institutions in the United
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States. The research function I think is
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also being rewritten around the world in
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Europe and in China and in Asia. There
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are independent research institutions
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that get research funding that can show
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up and say, "Hey, this institution is
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just being used to run research. It
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doesn't necessarily need to be within an
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educational framework. It can be an
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independent research institution that
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focuses on either a topic or a domain.
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So, I do think we're going to see more
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and more independent research funding
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happening with the grants that come out
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from the federal government, from
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nonprofits, from endowments and
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foundations that fund research. So, I
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think that there's a real reckoning
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underway. It's almost like these guys
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have created a monopoly. They've
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accumulated this capital which allows
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them to build these great buildings,
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attract these great researchers, and
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then get the research funding to fund
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those researchers, and then use that to
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raise more capital in their endowment
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and build the next building and keep
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this thing growing. And I think that
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that's breaking

Episode Highlights

  • Harvard's Budget Crisis
    Harvard faces a billion dollar budget shortfall if Trump implements funding cuts.
    “Harvard would face a billion dollar budget shortfall every year if Trump followed through.”
    @ 02m 12s
    July 08, 2025
  • The Impact of AI on Education
    AI could revolutionize education, providing access to quality learning for all.
    “AI may actually break education.”
    @ 04m 29s
    July 08, 2025

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  • Budget Shortfall02:12
  • AI Revolution04:29
  • Education Transformation05:04

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