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Google Forced to Sell Chrome? DOJ's Bombshell Breakup Plan | Pivot

November 22, 2024 / 07:08

This episode discusses the DOJ's proposal to force Google to sell its Chrome browser, addressing its significant market share and implications for competition. Key topics include the potential breakup of Google's business, the role of antitrust regulations, and the impact of political dynamics on the case.

The conversation features insights from tech writer John Gruber, who compares the sale of Chrome to selling a body part, arguing that it may not hold value for others. The hosts consider various remedies, including fines and government oversight, while expressing skepticism about their effectiveness.

They highlight the uncertainty surrounding the future of antitrust leadership and the potential influence of political figures like Trump and Elon Musk on the case. The discussion emphasizes the need for breaking up monopolies to foster competition and innovation in the tech industry.

Eric Schmidt's perspective on free speech rights for humans versus computers is also mentioned, raising questions about misinformation and its sources. The hosts conclude that breaking up large companies historically leads to more value and choice for consumers.

Overall, the episode presents a critical view of Google's market dominance and the necessary steps to promote a healthier competitive landscape.

TL;DR

The DOJ proposes forcing Google to sell Chrome to enhance competition and address its market dominance.

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the doj is asking a judge in the Google
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search Monopoly case to force the
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company to sell its Chrome browser as
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part of the remedy Chrome has about 67%
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of the global market and could go for as
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much as 20 billion According to some
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estimates the government also wants to
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stop Google from getting into paid
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agreements with apple and others to be
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the default search engine on phones and
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browsers uh the doj stopped short of
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requesting a full divesture of Android
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Google called The doj Proposal extreme
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and is set to file its own Suggestions
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by December 20th remedy hearings will be
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held in April and the judge judges
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expected to rule over the summer I I
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know you know all these all these uh
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agencies are sort of waiting for what
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happens with Trump although you just
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never know because he's had some anti-
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Google um statements and everything else
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and there'll be a new head of antitrust
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at the justice department it's not clear
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who that's going to be um what do you
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what do you think of this remedy it
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seems like an unusual thing Tech writer
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John grber noted Chrome and Android are
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not Standalone businesses they're
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appendages to Google it's like saying I
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have to sell my left foot it's very
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valuable to me but of no value to anyone
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else um and if a buyer of chrome is a
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company like open a or Microsoft could
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they be accused of creating as you just
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you know another Monopoly with this
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purchase I like this the potential
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remedies were a fine you can't come up
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with fines big enough uh some sort of
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administrator from the government
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bureaucrat that had to they got to go
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into any meeting and tell them why they
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shouldn't do something which they
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basically can ignore stick the stick the
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fat ugly weird kid in the corner and
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then finally a breakup so I I was happy
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to see this now whether it holds or not
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but I I'm not sure I agree with the
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writer because because Chrome you know
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it has about 2/3 Global share I think of
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the browser Market that's so much
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attention um that's so much attention
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that a lot of different people could
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monetize that so it would have no
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shortage of biders it would it would um
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uh immediately stop this default uh you
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know steering everyone towards their
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search engine it'd be more of a
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competition so I like this I think I
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generally find that the FDC and the doj
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and this is because they bring in a lot
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of my colleagues from Business Schools
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are pretty smart about trying to come up
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with solutions that grow the total
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Market uh so I I like this I hope it
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goes I don't know it'll hold yeah you
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know there's so much uncertainty because
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as I said caner is will be leaving John
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caner and Lea Khan's tenure may be over
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or maybe not it's very unclear you might
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get someone like Brandon Carr who's
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making a grab for power at the FCC of
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which didn't have but may be trying to
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do so um there's all kinds of
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uncertainty on who's going to be able to
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run this and then who is going to be the
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antitrust head and it is all in the
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hands of a single judge um who's who
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which then can be appealed Etc and the
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government can stop trying right The
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Government Can Go a different direction
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depending um you know it'll be
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interesting because Sundar Pai the head
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of alphabet was on the phone with Trump
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and of course guess who was on the phone
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with him there's the whole Elon element
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Elon was on a phone call with the CEO of
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alphabet with Trump I mean there's all
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these different competing power centers
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uh happening here
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so I I agree with you I think this
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something should be cleaved off of these
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companies that's to me the only the key
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question is where was Omar Rosa I want
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her back she would she actually seems
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quite credible now no she does I can't
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believe it but she is you're right I
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mean it'll be interesting to see what
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the remedy is but I think the only
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remedy is the start to breaking up of
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parts of their businesses and then
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creating new vibrant businesses from
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them right it just seems healthier in so
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many ways a Fine's not going to work a
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threatening with prison's not going to
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work you know it's just they should just
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cut them up and create new businesses
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and see what could be made I mean having
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67% of the global market and it does it
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does help their other business I can't
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tell you how many times I open Chrome
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and it says don't you want to make this
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your default browser right I I unsign
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out from Google because it's constantly
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trying to get me sucked into their
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system for no good reason so um it seems
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would rather it be owned by more people
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that's my feel search is arguably
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finished I bet on a gross dollar volume
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basis search maybe the biggest business
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in the world it's 150 I think it's like
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a quarter of a trillion dollar business
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but I bet it's got gross margins of 80
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or 90 points and that makes even the
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iPhone look like a distant not not a
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great business so and essentially all of
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this accrets to one player and if you
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didn't have this incredible data
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advantage of looking what everyone is
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doing on the internet two-thirds of the
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time and then be able to steer them
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towards your search engine and then
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extract all sorts of payments to be the
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default you would just have a lot more
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all of a sudden the biggest Market in
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the world wouldn't be a monopoly which
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would ultimately lower rents on everyone
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that has to pay the to that's right and
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search would be better as a product
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search and they'd be forced to innovate
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they might who knows someone might pop
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up and say this is search that is uh not
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going to not going to give this
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information more reach this is we're not
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going to let computers create content I
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had Eric Schmidt on and he said
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something I thought was really
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insightful he this is a former just for
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people who know the former Google head
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former alphabet yeah yeah who I think he
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never was alphabet but Google but go
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ahead oh you're right excuse me um but
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he said something really interesting he
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said humans should have absolutely very
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strong First Amendment Free Speech
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rights but he said computers should not
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and that really struck me as insightful
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because I think a lot of the
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misinformation a lot of the incendiary
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cont that polarizes us is not generated
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by a human and I thought that was really
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an interesting place to start around all
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of this but back to breakups in anti
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trust ask any Economist or ask any
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lawyer trying to fight against this what
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breakup in US history did not end up
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being a good idea every time we have
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broken up companies you end up with more
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powerful more valuable companies you end
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up with more choice you end up with
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lower rents you end up with more
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Innovation the only person that loses is
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the person who has the controlling
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shareholders or the super voting
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majority shares who want to sit on the
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Iron Throne of not just Westeros but all
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Seven Realms but everybody else every
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other stakeholder the community the tax
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base emplo uh employees they then have
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more companies vying to rent their labor
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it's always better it's always better
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look at what's happening even over in
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social media Blue Sky that's that choice
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that's you know whether you like threads
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or not that's that choice it feels so
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much
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people get text to me Blue Sky stuff
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yeah everyone's moving over there but
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it's different they have a different
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like this is how our place is going to
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be it's not going to be mean and it's
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not like that's the whole point of
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different things is you get to choose
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what you want and that's the true free
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speech that's my feeling is you get to
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you know everyone's like you have to be
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you know Elon and his gang are pushing
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like you have to be on Twitter like no I
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don't I can do whatever I want
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and if I want to be in a bubble great if
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I don't great like the ability to make
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and choose your own venture to me is the
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the is freedom that's my feeling

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