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did you say how he did it i'm hoing to
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God he was life any murder is a horrible
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tragedy but to murder your own mother I
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think reflects a particularly callous
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and de Brave individual he took pleasure
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in seeing pain in other people even his
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own mom and his sister Jesse winning is
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a bad man he's deeply Disturbed there is
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nothing that the state of California can
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do whether in prison or on the street
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his actions have
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never-endingly affected my life the
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pearo process the threat the fear I
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think that Jesse is an evil evil person
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to see my mom lying in a pool of blood
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in her favorite room in the
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house killed by my brother shook me to
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my core I realized he was not my brother
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he was a monster
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[Music]
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my name is Matthew Allen I'm a deputy da
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at the Los Angeles County District
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Attorney's office I first heard about
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Jesse Winnick when I received a police
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report that described some of the
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conduct that he did over at the prison
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Jesse winck was a prisoner at California
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State Prison Los Angeles County when he
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was walking on the roadway with two
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inmate manufactured weapons he took
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those weapons onto the prison yard and
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attempted to stab a correctional
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officer I was a journalist for several
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years and worked for many newspapers and
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I covered crime as one of my beats with
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someone as vola
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and unpredictable and coldblooded as he
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seems to be I would rather just not have
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that connection like with my name or
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with my
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face in 2007 Jesse Winnick was
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incarcerated for the murder of his
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mother it affects me constantly when I'm
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on the freeway driving that path that I
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did that night
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I'm immediately transferred back to
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where I was when I lost
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her 22-year-old Amy Winnick had just
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finished a shift at her work when her
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brother Jesse aged 25 called
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her he told me not to go home I remember
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there was a pit in my stomach That Grew
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immediately and I asked him why and he
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told me just don't go home when I called
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home mom didn't pick up and I had no
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idea still
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why I called Jesse back
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again that's when Jesse told me he had
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killed
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mom he just said again and very clearly
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don't come home I killed mom and hung
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up I know that wasn't sure if he was
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telling the
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truth I couldn't believe it but I still
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had an ankling to call 911 I explained
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to them as I was driving home on the
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freeway much like right now it was dark
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it was late at
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night I didn't know I was about to walk
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into but I knew I had to call
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911 I'm going to be there in one minute
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I I I would suggest not going in if he's
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uh if he's done that I'm hoping to God
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he was lying I'm sorry if he if he
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was Jesse winck is the most dangerous
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kind of criminal because he's not
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restrained by love for his family the
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murder that he perpetrated against his
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own mother was violent sadistic and
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extremely personal his rap sheet and his
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Prison history reflects someone who has
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not recognized the error of his ways
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whatsoever and will continue to be
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violent in whatever context he put
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on keep
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walking Jesse and Amy's parents were
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Hadas and Sherman Winnick they had been
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childhood
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sweethearts my mom was born in
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Israel she was born in 1952 January
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26th and she is every bit I guess of
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Aquarius she um was a creative kid she
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was full of life and she remembers kind
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of just running free as a kiddo
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collecting frogs in her pockets and
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having a sweet
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childhood Jesse was the couple's eldest
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child my you know my parents got married
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on January 26th 1981 and my brother was
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born January 21st 1982 so they conceived
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him pretty quickly and they had him
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within a
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year this is from Jesse's
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birthday his actual birthday the day he
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was
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born mom would have been extremely
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hopeful to think back on this day being
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the happiest day of her life one of
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them in contrast to the fact that that
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young baby ended up murdering
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her it's shocking and it's heartbreaking
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to look at this
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photo by the time I was conceived they
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were separated so I never lived with my
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father I never saw their marriage in
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person Amy was born on December 24th
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1984 making her almost 3 years younger
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than her
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brother when you are born into a family
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you follow the family Rules the itself
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has its own almost
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subculture I know my dad was an
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alcoholic he had been an alcoholic since
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the age of 16 he cheated on my mom
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throughout most of the
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marriage I think my mom from what I read
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in her diary was in an abusive
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relationship um with him both physically
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emotionally and mentally so um that is a
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cycle that I would see eventually carry
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over into my brother and my mom's
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relationship she's the youngest sibling
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but seems to be in the position of
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supporting her older brother these are
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all her her
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Norms it's hard for me to find a photo
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of the two of us where I look like I'm
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happy and he looks like he's not
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controlling me even in this baby photo
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it seems like he's manhandling me in
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some
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way in 1989 now a single mom Hadas took
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the kids and set up on her
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own Calabasas is a very wealthy area
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that although it is in Los Angeles
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County it's nothing like La really there
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is certainly very very little
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violent crime it's a lot of open space
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and big houses the Kardashians live
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there a lot of celebrities live there
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retire there it's a quiet really
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beautiful
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area Hadas was a high school teacher in
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the valley she was a beloved
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teacher the house move as well as the
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absence of their father meant that the
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kids lives had been turned upside down
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tensions began to grow between the
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siblings eight or nine was already
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relatively verbally abusive to me he
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would call me names he would make fun of
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my appearance he was a
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bully what you want as the younger
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sibling is to feel secure and safe and
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protected by that older sibling and that
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is something that Amy I think wanted
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from her brother but did not
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get the only times I ever can remember
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my brother being kind or loving or warm
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or caring were times when he wanted
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something from me I don't think he was
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ever nurturing or protective in nature
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without there being an ulterior
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motive so there's an element of
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transaction going on there I'll be nice
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to you if I can get this from you and
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some of this seems to fit with what was
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also going on at school with his
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behavior he was being aggressive and
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violent with
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teachers he would eventually be kicked
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out of
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school Jesse's Behavior at home was also
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out of
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control Jesse was maybe around 12 years
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old when he became really explosively
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angry and verbally abusive it began by
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calling my mom names um
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stupid he called me ugly he called me
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chubby he loved to make fun of my
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looks this is another really beautiful
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but ironic photo you can see
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me hugging and loving on Mom and Mom
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adoring and staring at
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Jesse and Jesse having the smuggest look
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on his face ever with no regard for
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anybody else in the
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photo and I just think it it completely
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captures what it was like to be in our
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family or what our relationships were
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like it's very hard to really think that
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your son is bad that your son can't be
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helped that your son would ever really
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do something terrible to to yourself or
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to his sister and I think that even
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though she saw these issues develop and
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get worse that I don't think she ever
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really truly
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believed he became very abusive towards
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the walls that's how it
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began he was also destructive to our
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environment in the sense that I can
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clearly remember him lighting a fire in
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the bathtub of our home
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trying to see if the fire alarm would go
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off and once it did and the firemen
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showed up my mom wasn't
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home
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he would
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then coer me into lying and saying that
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I lit a fire that accidentally set off
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the
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alarm when Jesse he was 12 Hadas had an
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accident at school where she fell on a
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step injuring her ankle following a
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string of unsuccessful operations she
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used a wheelchair for several
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years the abuse at Jesse's hands did not
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lessen in fact it worsened Jesse sensed
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a weakness and that is when he became
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physically abusive to my mom he would
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have no job and no license and he was at
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home with her during that time and I was
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in school for many of those days I can
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remember her standing up out of her
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wheelchair and he pushed her
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down Amy was almost the other surrogate
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parent psychologically this is not a
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good place for a child to find
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themselves in where they as a kid are
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supporting an adult to look after the
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other sibling
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what it does is Rob her of her own
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[Music]
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childhood he does have a knack at
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knowing people's weaknesses or
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recognizing them and when he does that
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he's able to figure out what would hurt
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people most and he does not shy away
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from hurting
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people I had always seen my mom as a
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really strong woman so to see her not
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only become disabled but also to for her
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to to
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be physically harmed in such a way it
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was really detrimental it was
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heartbreaking for me to
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see Amy Winnick was 11 years old the
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first time her brother Jesse then aged
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14 abused
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her I don't remember any happy memories
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I don't remember any points where he was
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a healthy
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sibling I think Jesse just saw as
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somebody to utilize whenever he wanted
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to and how Amy has described her
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childhood with him and her her mom was
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that they were there for his use she's a
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victim of his domestic
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terrorism he blackmailed me into
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inserting objects inside of myself in
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front of
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him to go through my first sexual
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experiences
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in front of my brother and to be
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objectified in that sense um had lasting
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effect on
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me there's a great deal of
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coercion of your younger sibling to get
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them to behave that way she was
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effectively at his Mercy that's my older
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brother I'm going to do as I'm told and
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there's an element of think almost
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survival Instinct
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this photo must have been around when
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Jesse was I want to say in 10th grade
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this would also be around the time right
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after the sexual abuse at his hands
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happened I can see in his face he is
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extremely troubled I know he was really
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angry this was one of the worst times
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with
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him as Jesse Winnick became more and
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more violent to his family it became
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clear to those around him that he had
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problems of his
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own when he was 15 I think around that
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age
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he experienced his first physical Mental
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Health crisis in the sense that he
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attempted suicide we went to dinner when
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we came back he was in his bed and he
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was hallucinating he was sweating and
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crying and yelling and we I believe she
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found an empty
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bottle very large size bottle of Tylenol
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he had taken um he was taken to the
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hospital immediately they pumped his
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stomach um and he
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would right after begin his very first
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mental health stay at an
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institution he was diagnosed very young
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with bipolar disorder OCD Tourette
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syndrome and most recently he was given
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a diagnosis of
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ADHD he would often manipulate doctors
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or therapists or just be absolutely
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unmanageable refused to
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cooperate my mom tried to obtain
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therapist help and he would verbally
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abuse those therapists and they stopped
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seeing him it was kind of a dead end for
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her
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there he didn't go to college he didn't
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get a job he remained in the home up
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until the
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crime basically just terrorizing his
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mother and
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sister when I was about 16 17 years old
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I was standing in the kitchen making
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myself a meal and from behind me I felt
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a very swift kick in between my legs
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which caused me an immense amount of
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pain and made me double
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over I asked him why he did it and he
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said he just wanted to see if it hurt a
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woman to be kicked
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there it was the most pain I had ever
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felt in my entire life I remember
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feeling like I was just assaulted and I
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didn't have those words to describe that
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as Amy grew up Jesse's abuse of his
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family continued to escalate with his
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main focus becoming their mother
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hadash one time at dinner we were
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sitting there talking about something
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and she said something that angered him
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he turned towards her and had a fork in
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his hand and he poked her skin while he
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was she was talking um it was
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just
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incessant Terror that he tried to
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execute on us but it was also
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inconsistent in the sense that we never
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knew when it would happen he wasn't able
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to restrain himself from lashing out
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physically outbursts were really common
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and it seemed like Hadas and Amy were
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kind of walking on eggshell all the
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time before one of the last attacks that
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Jesse executed against mom he turned to
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me and said
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let me just kill her I'll run to
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Mexico just let me get away with
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it during his teenage years Jesse
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Winnick wasn't just causing serious
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trouble at home it also had many run-ins
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with law
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enforcement my mom called the police
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many times their understanding of what
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to do with Jesse was very limited they
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would arrest him they would detain him
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for a few hours maybe a night and then
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and then they would return him back
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home that would happen for
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years unable to follow rules Jesse
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struggled to hold down a job so when he
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turned 20 he joined the
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army when he got into the military mom
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and I had a bit
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of a reprieve from the
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[Music]
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abuse he was only
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gone several weeks
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and then mom got a phone call from Jesse
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saying that he was being
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abused and she got him a flight
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home I always wondered if he was lying
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he would come home from the military at
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20 even angrier than he went in he felt
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like the one resolution or solution he
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found or could have found didn't help
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him at all in F in fact in his mind it
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hurt him he's been thrown out of school
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he's been rejected by the military the
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outside world are kind of saying to him
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we can't deal with you he goes back home
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and now he's in this confined space with
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his mother and his sister he has no
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other outlets for his incessant
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attacks so it's a completely
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self-centered selfish U pathology at
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this
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point his behavior escal did
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infinitely in April of 2007 is one of
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the worst experiences I can remember I
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remember I was at a fraternity party and
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I saw probably 10 to 15 Miss calls from
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Mom I called her back she told
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me she needed me because Jesse had
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attacked
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her Jessie became angry at mom for some
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reason and
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decided to recreate one of his favorite
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movie
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scenes it's a scene in which somebody
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creates a homemade flamethrower out of
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an aerosol can and a lighter and
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he attacked her
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physically he attempted to catch her on
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fire she somehow escaped from him or
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missed
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and told him to leave he would jump out
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of our two-story balcony onto my mom's
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foot of my car dented it slashed her
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tires before running
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off following the attack on his mother
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hadass Jesse Winnick was quickly
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apprehended and jailed for
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assault Jesse was in jail for at least
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several months he
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would call
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her probably about once a day when he
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was in jail he would tell her he was
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sorry he would tell her he would never
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do it
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again we hear those Cycles in abusive
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relationships between intimate
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Partners but to be a mother and to be
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hearing those promises from your
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child she had to have unending hope for
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him
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feels like a trauma
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Bond where you're intermittently
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rewarded with kindness and
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intermittently there's punishment so you
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never quite know where you
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stand mom would eventually get an
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accidental death life insurance policy I
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don't think I ever face that reality
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like she
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did perhaps cuz I wasn't there that
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night that he attacked her so she knew
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in her heart that he could kill
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[Music]
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her September 25th
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2007 will forever be etched in my brain
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as one of the worst days ever in my
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life I was at work I got backtack phone
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calls from Jesse and Mom and I could
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tell that there was tension building but
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neither of them really said it
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outrightly I got another phone call from
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my mom um she was saying what time are
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you going to be home I said I already
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told you probably around 10: why what's
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up and that was that she said okay fine
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bye again and that was the last time I
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talked to
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her on my way home I called Jesse I said
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hey I'm on my way home I told him I
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would call him I said what's going
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on and he said I killed
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mom and I said what you're kiding you've
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got to be kidding me he said no I killed
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mom he hung up I called
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911 I think I was about 5 minutes away
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from
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home by the time someone picked up the
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police just Patcher told me to leave the
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house immediately because the killer
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might be still inside and that was the
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moment that dawned on me what Jesse had
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done as I was passing through the entry
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way and saw the kitchen and that is
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where her body was um she was laying on
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the floor in a very very large pool of
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blood with um what I initially saw at
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first was her hand
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outstretched and the phone just outside
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of her
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reach and then I saw that the knife that
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Jesse had used to kill her was still in
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her neck he had stabbed her all the way
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down to the
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[Music]
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hilt I ran out of the
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door and I was met by the police right
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then
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[Music]
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I can't describe the emotions I felt
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finding her I don't even think I can
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describe the
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emotions surrounding that night it was
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just my brain was on
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fire out of nowhere I was left with no
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family I was left without my best
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friend following the murder 25-year-old
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Jesse showered and changed his clothes
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before stealing his mom's
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car he then drove a few miles south and
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got into a friend's car he had told the
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friend that he' done something bad and
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he needed to get out of
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town it would be I would say probably 3
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or 4 hours before they caught him I
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think he was caught about 2 or 3 miles
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from our home
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um and it was those were the longest few
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hours of my
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life he had a shower he got changed he
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left the house he jumped into a car and
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fled the
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scene step by step by step not he did
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this and he fled the house in a state of
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panic I'm struggling to find the
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panic in his
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behavior Jesse was arrested the night of
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the
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crime and was charged for the murder of
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Hadas his
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mom with Jesse under arrest police
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started to piece together what had
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happened between him and his
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mother one thing I've learned as a
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prosecutor is that it's actually very
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difficult to murder someone with a knife
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it's very personal you have to get very
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close and it's extremely bloody and gory
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and to imagine that Jesse win would do
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that to his own mother was really
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shocking he had been making a sandwich
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with the knife that he had killed my mom
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with he had I guess sat down to eat it
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perhaps or something and had left the
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counter full of stuff my mom wanted to
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make food and had turned to him and said
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put everything away I'd like to use the
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counter and he said no um
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she continued and said if you're going
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to eat you're going to clean up too and
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he responded by killing
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her I felt
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heartbroken I felt
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shocked
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um I
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felt
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lost murdering someone over May making a
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sandwich suggests to me that this is an
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incredibly
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egocentric focused individual it's all
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about him he does not care about anybody
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else after mom's murder my whole life
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flips upside down I couldn't be alone I
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didn't stay at home alone I couldn't
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sleep at night I worried about Jesse
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getting out of jail I worried about what
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would happen in my future it was an
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absolute life-altering situation and I
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had no idea what was going to
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come this is the last photo that my mom
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and I took
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together I had no idea it would be the
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last picture it illustrates our
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relationship I love that the last photo
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I have of us is not a smiling but her
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kissing
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me I love
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it despite the overwhelming evidence
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that Jesse Winnick was guilty of the
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murder of his mother hadass it would
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take over four years until Jesse was
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sentenced there were a lot of things he
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attempted to do in order to stall I
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believe what he was doing was he was
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trying to exhaust me in his mind I was
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what stood between him and a lesser
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sentence he would start taking
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medication for one of his mental
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illnesses and then abruptly go off the
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medication right before the trial was
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supposed to start then he could be
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deemed mentally unfit to stand trial and
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the whole thing would be delayed again
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he would fire his lawyers abruptly so
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that a new team had to start from square
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one it was incredibly
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frustrating and it lasted for
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years I don't think I felt like I was
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living at that
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time it felt like I
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was on pause as if as in I couldn't plan
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I couldn't grieve I couldn't sometimes I
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couldn't even
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breathe I can can only imagine how
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frustrating it was for Amy and the
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family that seeming like it would be
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pretty
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straightforward there were just constant
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delays I went to jail to visit him and
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to ask him if he would please plead
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guilty he was attempting to coers me
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into like forgiving him into dropping
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the
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charges he told me that Mom visits him
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in his
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dreams and that she forgives him
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I think I said something like okay but I
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don't you know um because I didn't
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forgive
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him Jesse pleaded no contest to the
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charge of second deegree murder of Hadas
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winck
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I was sitting in the gallery and I
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remember him looking back at me and like
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nodding Gravely and then looking back
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and then saying yes I plead guilty I
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accept the sentence um as if he was
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doing that for me
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symbolically he was escorted out of the
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room and he began his
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sentence Jesse was sentenc to 15 years
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to life but Amy's nightmare was far from
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over
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instead of engaging in rehabilitative
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programming and bettering himself he
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continued his Rampage of Violence by
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assaulting officers threatening staff
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fighting other inmates and generally
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continuing Life Of
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Crime JY winck was assigned to facility
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C at California State Prison Los Angeles
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County that's the yard that we use for
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people that have severe mental health
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problems he walked out onto the yard
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with two inmate manufactured weapons
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which we sometimes call shanks they were
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hidden on his body and he approached a
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correctional officer named
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kamacho this body camera footage is
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going to show us from officer kamacho
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perspective just how it went down you
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can watch carefully he's got something
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in his hand looks like a piece of string
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from the handle of the
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weapon here we go here comes the pepper
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spray there's The Knife Down goes the
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body
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camera what we're seeing here is the
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body camera for the first off to respond
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to the sne there's winck there's kamacho
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the pepper spray just happened here
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comes the
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attack
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bam hits winck right off of
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kamacho that's that's excellent police
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work guess it's safe to assume that he
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would have done to officer kamano the
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same thing that he did to his own
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mother which is kill him with a
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knife walking walking keep
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walking even locked up Jess Winnick
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still posed a threat to his sister
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Amy I received a letter in the mail
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saying that my brother was scheduled for
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his first Pearl hearing that was only 9
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and 1/2 years after his sentencing the
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rug was just pulled right out from under
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me I started mentally preparing I was
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shocked Amy attended an online call
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where she would face her brother and the
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parole
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board he said I I entered prison as a
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bad man and I've only gotten worse I've
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stabbed over 90 people since getting
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here I said you have already done the
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worst thing possible you've killed our
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mom at which point he then recited a
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recent address of mine and said he could
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have friends visit me and take care of
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me and my children obviously the parole
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board is thrown for a loop and asks me
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to mute myself and turn off my camera
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and I do um he remains on the camera the
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whole time he is slicing his thumb
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across his throat at me to simulate what
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he did to my
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mother he was keeping track of
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me and I think all of my biggest fears
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just kind of collapsed on me in that
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moment
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um ah
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Amy attempted to file a complaint to
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have Jesse charged for the death
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threat the prison wrote a letter that
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angered me to no end it said this threat
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was not a big enough threat sorry in
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essence um and I was shocked and I was
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left wondering what I could do in the
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next two years to make sure that he did
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not get
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out it soon transpired though that Jesse
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threats were very
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real I received a phone call from the
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detective saying we need to come over
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and talk to you and the detective knocks
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on the door he sits down and he
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says did you have anything to do with
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your mom's
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murder I was confused and I said
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absolutely not my mom was my best friend
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I would never have harmed her
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ever he said Jesse wrote to an inmate
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saying that I had planned the murder
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that I had promised him all this
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non-existent money um for doing
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it
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and I deserve to be taught a lesson
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because I am not fulfilling my portion
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of whatever sick agreement he is
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purporting the other inmate was supposed
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to tell Amy chestler to do certain
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things for Jesse like hire him a lawyer
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and give him money and we believe that
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if she had not complied with his demands
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that he would do the
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worst luckily the inmate did not go
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through with that and actually uh turned
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over evidence of Jesse's actions to
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us I got a call from an unknown number I
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picked up and it was Amy she told me
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that at a parole hearing he had
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threatened her on the record and even
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made the motion of slitting his own
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throat in reference to her and that was
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something that I found particularly
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disturbing I got a transcript from the
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parole hearing and I discovered that
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everything she told me was completely
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true I was shocked deeply shocked that
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that could happen at a p hearing and
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that there would be no consequences as
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of
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yet within a week or so he had confirmed
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to me he would charge my brother with
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the death threat from PE
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hearing I charged him with several
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different crimes including attempted
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murder attempted murder of a public
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official and two counsil possessing a
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weapon in
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prison we went into the
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courtroom stared at the back of his
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head um I listened to him make some sort
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of a statement to a certain degree and
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then it was my turn to
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talk I listened to Amy's statement which
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was very moving as she recounted what it
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was like to live with someone like Jesse
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year after year day after day all the
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the horrible things that he did that did
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not result in criminal
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charges I was laying out a lot of the
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abuse that we faced and while I did that
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he basically just called me a
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dumb yeah that's he just attempted to
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talk virtually over my entire
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statement it just seems like he doesn't
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have like a conscience at all I think
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that's the scariest thing about it like
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there doesn't seem to be any registering
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of like what he did
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at the end of the hearing Jesse was
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sentenced to an additional 36 years for
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attempting to kill officer kamacho and
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for threatening
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Amy that sentence will start him all the
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way back over again as if he had just
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walked back in through the prison gates
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at that time it's likely that he will be
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either extremely old or
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dead in addition to the sentencing Amy
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was offered the option of placing a
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restraining order on Jesse and I said to
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them what does a restraining order do I
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mean if he wants to kill me he's going
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to hire a hitman and have me killed
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anyway and they said no it immediately
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criminalizes anytime he reaches out to
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you it immediately criminalizes anytime
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someone someone else reaches out to you
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from him and so I said oh absolutely
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give it to
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me Jesse Winnick is the worst to the
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worst and I can't imagine him ever
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changing
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I'm just so glad that it looks like he
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is going to be in prison now for the
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rest of his life I hope that Amy and her
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family can get some peace
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now despite being locked away for the
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rest of his life Jesse Winnick still
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brings Terror to those whose lives he
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affected until he's paroled for my mom's
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murder I still have to see him every 2
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years I now know I am the target of that
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hatred that he had for Mom at one
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point so my sense of danger is much
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greater right now 17 years later than it
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was 4 years
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in Amy now has two children of her own
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and has tried her best to move on with
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her
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life I never will forgive him for what
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he's done I also don't Harbor hatred
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towards him I'm just angry
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I'm
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disappointed and I want to change the
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way systems receive victims she has
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flourished into a really amazing person
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she's dedicated her life to educating
00:41:41
people talking to people about their
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trauma I don't ever want my children to
00:41:46
be victimized I want to protect them I
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see two very independent strong children
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developing from that and I love it
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they're like the best human ever and my
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mom would just devour them with
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love I love my mother I loved getting to
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know her and I almost miss the things I
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didn't have that I miss seeing mom as a
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grandma I
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miss hearing her voice I haven't heard
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it for 17
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years what a joyous person she
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was and I miss my mom so much but I
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especially miss this smile like you can
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see in this
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picture in this picture I I can I can
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almost hear her I can almost hear her
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happiness
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