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this program is about unsolved mysteries
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whenever possible the actual family
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members and police officials have
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participated in recreating the events
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what you are about to see is not a news
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broadcast
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Georgia Rudolph has been haunted by
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dreams and memories of a young girl who
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lived at the turn of the century our
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girl Georgia never knew in a place she
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never visited amazingly her descriptions
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of the girl's life appear to be
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corroborated by facts II she had no
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possible way of knowing who Georgia's
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experiences be evidence of reincarnation
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Rickey police officer Steve Sandra was
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found shot to death in the station house
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where he worked some believe he stumbled
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on a case of small-town corruption and
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was murdered we will also profile a case
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of a man called thumper an outlaw biker
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who travels across the country setting
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up illegal drug laboratories to
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manufacture highly addictive
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methamphetamines tonight with your help
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plumber may finally be brought to
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justice
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reincarnation to our heirs a void has an
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eerie rate the dictionary definition
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rebirth of the soul in a new body seems
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of pale feet words that describe such an
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extraordinary concept much of the world
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believes absolutely in reincarnation but
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for people who don't the onset of dreams
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and memories that cannot be explained is
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often very upsetting that was the case
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for a woman we found named Georgia root
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for 33 years George's mind has conjured
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up visions of a mysterious young girl in
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one of the most vivid the girl is with
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an older woman perhaps her grandmother
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in all of George's visions neither the
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time nor the place is familiar
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there's a lot of sensation I feel the
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cold
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I feel the night
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horses I smell the leather I can feel
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the girl but it feels like myself
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climbing on this carriage and going down
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the road and I can hear the sound of
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horses hoofs
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I can feel the movement of the carriage
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giorgia Rudolph is a 41 year old
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registered nurse living in Macon Georgia
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since childhood she has been beset by
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recurring mental images sometimes he
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appears dreams more often his memories
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of events she has never experienced they
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never seem to be a common denominator of
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what would trigger off the memories I
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would be sitting playing I would be
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watching TV and just there would be a
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memory as a child I don't think there
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was a month that went by that I didn't
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have by other memories or dreams Georgia
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Rudolph was born in Columbus Ohio at the
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age of three she was placed in a series
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of foster homes when she was five
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Georgia was adopted and the memories
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began
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as a little girl I was different
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east of drum the picture of this gun and
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I would just do stacks after stacks
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after stacks of this picture
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I also drawn a picture of the house
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since I was fine and then the house
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would go with the curl and if I didn't
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get her right
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I would erase her or tear it up and
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start all over then I knew exactly how
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this girl was supposed to look my whole
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childhood I thought I was crazy because
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the drawings were of the girl that I
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would dream about and when I remember
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her
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it's always the drawing the face
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I have always known that place
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I've seen her to different ages one is a
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young one 18 19 years old and as a young
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girl probably eight nine
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as Georgia grew older her impressions of
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the past began to accumulate often they
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were no more than the flash of an image
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but curiously all the images seemed to
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come from an earlier time a time around
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the turn of the century there were new
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automobiles or airplanes but there were
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repeated images of old fashioned Stern
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wheel which Georgia in her lifetime had
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ever seen
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it's not like a childhood memory it
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feels different
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it's like taking a picture from my mind
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projecting it on a screen and just
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replaying it over
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a river seemed to play a large part in
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George's dreams
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another constant was a young man dressed
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in a brown suit and wearing a derby hat
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sometimes he was alone sometimes he was
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with the girl and always it was
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recurring image of a horse-drawn
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carriage on a cold winter night
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I kept feeling that
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of pre-adoption that nobody would tell
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me about when I found my biological
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parents I found that the memories had
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nothing to do with my life before I was
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adopted when Georgia first contacted me
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I felt it might be something like an
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early trial matic childhood memory that
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she was trying to remember or
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re-experience or possibly could be an
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aspect of a multiple personality where
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she was imagining herself or
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experiencing herself to be someone
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different which sometimes happens in
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these cases other thing that the
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reincarnation was probably the last
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thing in my mind about what had happened
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to her so we're gonna go through a
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procedure this evening that dr. Douglas
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Smith is deputy director of a mental
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health center in Macon Georgia in 1984
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he began regressive hypnosis therapy
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with Georgia Rudolph it is a type of
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analysis that lets the patient go back
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in time under hypnosis but still
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remember everything she says very slowly
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last December we asked Georgia to once
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again undergo hypnosis with dr. Smith
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relaxed entities try to allow all the
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tension to leave your body during the
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first session of hypnosis he asked me a
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question and referred to me as Georgia I
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remember very vividly saying I don't
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know who you're talking to
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and he said well if this is in Georgia
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then who is it and I remember saying my
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name is Sandra Jean Jenkins and what
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year were you born Sandra 1895
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do you have a boyfriend yes
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Georgia seems to me a very down-to-earth
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person she doesn't go around reading a
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lot of psychic magazines and esoterica
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material so I think that she's a very
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stable individual and it surprised me
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when she came out with the amount of
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emotion and effect and details that she
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did under hypnosis the sensation that I
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had when I gave her name her age and
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said I was born in 1895 is one that I
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will never forget because I felt like my
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head was going to come off of my body it
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hurt so bad
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look down at yourself and tell me what
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you look like
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brown hair Georgia came to believe that
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the things she had wrong so many times
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as a child was a face of Sandra Jean
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Jenkins who was also the girl in her
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memories and dreams
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further therapy sessions began to give
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the tailor [ __ ] Georgia could now
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clearly see Sandra Jean on a
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sternwheeler which apparently belonged
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to her family
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one of the men on the boat was the young
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man in the Derby hat whom she'd seen so
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often his name is Tommy Hicks he and
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Sandra Jean were sweethearts the
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sessions also revealed that the two of
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them were about to be married when this
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came out about Sandra G not only that I
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feel I was crazy it scared me to death
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it went against everything that I have
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ever been taught as far as religion goes
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she is very sincere in her belief that
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she actually subjectively experienced
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all the things that she has experienced
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in that past life that she described
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she's not faking or pretending it is a
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real experience for her
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or the images that had haunted Georgia
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Rudolph for more than 30 years
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evidence of reincarnation when we return
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Georgia travels 500 miles from home is
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unexplainable coincidences between her
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dreams Lightman Sandra Jean Jenkins
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for more than 30 years
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Georgia Rudolph was plagued by
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mystifying impressions of a past she
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knew nothing about she was afraid to
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admit the possibility that she might be
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the reincarnation of a girl named Sandra
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Jean Jenkins who lived at the turn of
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the century under hypnosis Georgia had
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repeatedly mentioned the word Marietta
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it became clear to Georgia that Marietta
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was a place a place that might reveal a
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connection between her dreams and the
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life of Sandra Jean Jenkins Marietta
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Ohio was a city of 35,000 located at the
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confluence of the Ohio and Muskegon
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rivers in assay day at the turn of the
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century it was a major river port
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because Georgia's dreams are centered on
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a river and river boats she went to
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marry it in 1985 hoping to find a record
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of the people and places so vividly
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etched in her memory Georgia had
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arranged to meet with a reporter named
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Ted Bauer he was a lifelong resident of
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the city and for 32 years had worked for
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the local newspaper when George arrived
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in Marietta Ike said I'll take you
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around and show you some of the places
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you talked about over the phone and she
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says no I'll show you where to go I
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couldn't believe her knowledge of
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Marietta she knew as much or more than
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some of the old-timers knew about the
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town Ted Barr was amazed when Georgia
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stopped in front of an insurance company
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and suddenly began describing the
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interior of an ice-cream parlor which
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had been there at the turn of the
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century incredibly the dick core she
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remembered had been completely changed
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in 1937 11 years before Georgia was born
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it was like red and white and it was
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like red white red white
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and it was tile but it wasn't like the
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tile we see today she described the
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interior almost perfectly I checked this
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with the son of the man he would run it
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for years in the way it seems crazy but
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what do you do she was accurate about
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her descriptions
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I was just baffled Ted Bauer's curiosity
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was aroused he began to investigate on
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his own to see if the things George's
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seem to remember could somehow have been
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available to her in local records I did
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a lot of research I talked to family
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members to former store owners and I
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checked her own newspaper file I've
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thought about it many times and it's
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possible that she could have done some
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research and or had it done for but I
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don't know how that could have been done
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that would have been a tremendous job I
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can't buy the reincarnation bit but she
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has some kind of power some way of
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knowing what happened in the past I
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don't know what the power would be but
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she hasn't when I began to understand
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that I was being 100% correct
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there was a fright but there was an
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excitement that was starting to build in
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me it was like this is really real I
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really was this girl
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and when I started finding things that
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were in my memory
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it was like having the middle way
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and going back home
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despite her uncanny recollections
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Georgia could find no record of a Sandra
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Jean Jenkins of Marietta she next
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visited a small farming community
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Newport Ohio five miles to the north
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here - she seemed distinctively to know
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her way around the first thing I saw
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when entering Newport was a big grey
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house
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it's like chills through my body it was
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like this is my house this is where I
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lived I could see a room I knew that
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this had been her bedroom
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this was the house that Sandra had lived
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him
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throughout George's life a single dream
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had always stood out more perplexing and
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haunting than all the others in its
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Sandra Jean as a young girl stands alone
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on the steps of the church in the Train
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I know she has to walk exactly two
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blocks and she's standing in front of a
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cemetery
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and there's a path that goes off to the
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right and it curves and twists in
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different directions and then the path
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eventually straightens out
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and when she gets to the point where it
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straightens out she's on the side of a
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hill looking down on a grave which I
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know to be her grandmother's grave but
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I'm never able to get the name off of
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the headstone
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because it's that point that I wake up
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but I have had this dream two or three
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hundred times and I always wake up in
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the same price in Newport Georgia found
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the church from her dream perhaps now
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she could discover the identity of
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Sandra jeans grandmother if I owned me
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everything I found frighten me more
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because I still didn't want to believe
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that this was reincarnation but I walked
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the two blocks that I knew I had to walk
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in my dream and I found myself in the
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cemetery and I started walking this path
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as I walked it it began to doubt on me
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this is the path of my dreams
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I can remember my heart
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and the feeling in my body I mean it was
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just total excitement because I knew
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when I reached the end of that
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I was gonna be standing over the grave
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but I wasn't coming back
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Oh
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and when I stopped were the Drava stops
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I was looking down on the grave that I
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knew to be my grandmother's and it said
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Mary Bevan green and I finally gotten me
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the gravestone provided the missing link
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to the house Georgia had seen earlier
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at the turn of a century this house had
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been the home of the green family
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moreover the Greens have owned a fleet
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of stern heaters which operated up and
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down the Ohio River now the story of
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Sandra Jean Jenkins and Tommy Hicks came
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into sharper focus I want you to allow
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yourself to go back a little bit further
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now and feel safe and secure and talking
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to me I'm going to ask you a question
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what happened to Tom where are you
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what's happened this tommy-gun yes under
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hypnosis Georgia recalled it in 1914
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just days before Sandra Jean and Tommy
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were to be married he was swept
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overboard in a storm on the Ohio River
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his body was never found
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Sandra Jean Jenkins was left alone and
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her family's dismay pregnant with Tommy
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Hicks's child
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what is it she will never forgive you
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for
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I want you to move forward in time you
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are now at the river and I want you to
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describe to me what you did then take me
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lock it up
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i slided
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where are you buried they put me up on
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the hill with plea Georgia is convinced
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that because Sandra Jean took her own
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life she was buried in an unmarked grave
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just a few feet away from Mary Bevan
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Green Georgia had said under hypnosis
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that from Sandra genes grave you could
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see an angel with one arm up raised when
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she looks south from Mary Greene's grave
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Georgia saw the statue of an angel its
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right arm extended upward
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George's discoveries in Ohio do seem
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convincing but is there any real proof
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the Sandra Jean Jenkins or Tommy Hicks
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ever existed birth and death records
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were a haphazard affair around the turn
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of the century and so far neither their
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exact names have been found but there
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does seem to be a record of Tommy's
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parents when I was under hypnosis I had
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said that Tommy's parents names were Tom
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and Jenny Hicks the only proof that I
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have that Tommy existed was that in 1906
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there is a farm registered to Tom and
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Jenny Hicks in Newport Ohio
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giorgia also located the green family's
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nearest living relatives who provided
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her with what Georgia believes is
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evidence as Sandra Jean Jenkins actually
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existed they brought out a picture taken
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in 1908
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as a family reunion picture and the girl
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that I call Sandra that I have drawn my
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entire life is standing in that picture
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it's all family but no one knows who
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this girl is there was a statement made
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by a member of the family
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I don't know this girl's name but I know
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she drowned out back of the house
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in the family photograph the girl from
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Georgia's dreams seemed to be standing
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slightly apart from those around her the
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photograph is accompanied by a complete
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roster of names every person has
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identified except the girl Georgia
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recognized as Sandra Jean
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almost every culture at one time or
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another has had a belief in
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reincarnation sometimes I think in fact
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that it's a metaphor for a man's anger
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over the brevity of life in terms of
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whether reincarnation is a real fact or
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not as a scientist I don't know I won't
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prove I'm a doubter but as a human being
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I would love to have it be the truth I
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believe that that reincarnation is real
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but I'm not sure what reincarnation is I
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know there's something to it I have had
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an experience
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there are a lot of people don't get to
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have my logic oftentimes will tell me no
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this isn't real
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got my heart
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Paris baby yes it is
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could the saga of Sandra Jean Jenkins
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simply be the product of an overactive
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imagination could it in fact be a
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reincarnation experience the legitimate
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memory of a life Georgia Rudolph lived
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at the turn of the century or could it
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be something else something we can
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either define or understand
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when we return the tragic story of Steve
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sound a Ricky police officer who some
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believe may have been killed because he
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knew too much about corruption in a
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small New Mexico town
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everybody who knows Steve soundings that
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he was born to be a cop his father was a
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career law enforcement officer and even
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as a child Steve planned on following in
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his father's footsteps because I was a
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policeman Stevie grew up seeing a
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uniform he liked it do you used to wear
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my helmet wear my motorcycle boots he'd
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go around the house all day dressed up
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like a cop Steve wanted to be a police
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officer and nothing was going to do
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until he did it in March of 1988 when he
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was 21 years old
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Steve announced to his family that he
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had been accepted as a member of the
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mountain air and New Mexico Police
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Department but in the early evening of
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May 7th 1988 while Steve was working
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alone in the police station
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his dream came to a violent and still
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unexplained them
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I can't recall the exact wording by the
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individual that notified us but when we
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arrived he mentioned something about
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Steve upstairs a gun and blood and he
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didn't know if it was a joke or real or
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what
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we had our weapons drawn we weren't sure
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what we were walking into and I went to
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Steve and I remember saying to him hang
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on Steve
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hang on you know rolling gear and asked
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him what had happened to request he was
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unresponsive he was breathing but he'd
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ever did say anything we immediately
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called emergency services aimed at his
00:28:10
personnel and they immediately started
00:28:13
their life-saving operation to try and
00:28:15
save the officers life he was still
00:28:17
alive at that time they weren't across
00:28:21
this of kind of started an IV and
00:28:23
shortly thereafter officer Sandlin
00:28:25
expired and he was pronounced dead by
00:28:27
the doctor here to see
00:28:32
Steve Santa had only been on the force 8
00:28:34
weeks his gun was found by his side
00:28:37
authorities believe that the fatal
00:28:39
bullet may have been fired from his own
00:28:41
weapon the cause of death was at first
00:28:43
thought to be accidental for a suicide
00:28:45
but some disagree we all know those of
00:28:51
us who knew Steve know that there is no
00:28:55
way that it it could have been a suicide
00:28:58
or even an accidental shooting we
00:29:02
believe Steve was murdered and we
00:29:03
believe there was a conspiracy to do so
00:29:06
I think someone killed Steve Sandlin
00:29:10
intentionally I say that because there's
00:29:13
no evidence that was suicide there's no
00:29:15
evidence it was accidental and there's
00:29:17
very strong persuasive evidence that he
00:29:20
was murdered and that his murder was
00:29:22
planned the death of Steve Sam has
00:29:26
touched off a controversy that has
00:29:28
reached me out his grieving family today
00:29:31
Twyla System Attorney General has
00:29:32
resigned over this case another James
00:29:34
guarantee no has been fired bring
00:29:37
perhaps the most disturbing allegation
00:29:39
are those who believe that not only was
00:29:40
Steve murdered that his killer's
00:29:42
identity has been deliberately covered
00:29:44
up by law enforcement officials
00:29:49
Maupin layer is an isolated community
00:29:51
located 80 miles southeast of
00:29:53
Albuquerque despite the fact that the
00:29:55
area is known to be a center for the
00:29:57
cultivation of marijuana
00:29:58
the tiles Police Department consisted of
00:30:01
only four men most Eve salmon began
00:30:05
working for the police department he was
00:30:07
enthusiastic about his new job and often
00:30:09
worked during his off hours Stevie
00:30:12
really enjoyed it
00:30:13
the job at first they laugh and talk
00:30:16
about it everything that he did however
00:30:18
toward the last his attitude started
00:30:21
changing I don't know exactly what the
00:30:23
change was
00:30:23
Steve just started saying that things
00:30:25
would like he thought they would be
00:30:27
something was wrong
00:30:31
they afternoon of Steve's death May 7th
00:30:34
it returned to the empty police station
00:30:36
after disagreement with chief Carson
00:30:38
Ferguson traffic tickets he had written
00:30:41
what I told Steve was Steve slow down
00:30:44
something you can't catch everybody
00:30:46
that's not your role we don't want you
00:30:49
to burn out we don't want you working 16
00:30:50
or 18 hours a day just take it easy and
00:30:53
he was he seemed a little down about
00:30:57
that he wasn't chewed out it was just a
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conversation by 7:00 o'clock
00:31:02
Steve was alone at the station and spoke
00:31:04
with his girlfriend Michel the nearby
00:31:06
Bosque Farms New Mexico we were making
00:31:09
plans for the next day and he said that
00:31:11
chief Carson yelled at him and told him
00:31:13
to go back into the station so he was
00:31:15
kind of mad about that and he said if
00:31:16
they wanted to be a security guard that
00:31:18
he would sit up in the station be a
00:31:20
security guard and I was talking to him
00:31:23
I heard the old lady's voice come in and
00:31:26
he muffled the phone and I couldn't hear
00:31:28
what it was said but it sounded like he
00:31:30
was getting loud and like she was
00:31:32
yelling at him and he said it was no big
00:31:35
deal to go
00:31:38
[Applause]
00:31:41
approximately 45 minutes later at 7:45
00:31:44
chief Cox received word that Steve had
00:31:46
been shot I saw no evidence of any
00:31:50
confrontation no other shots fired
00:31:52
nothing and from an average person's
00:31:56
point of view it was apparently a
00:31:58
suicide there is no way Steve loved life
00:32:04
he was happy he was doing what he always
00:32:07
wanted to do that was not that was not
00:32:10
Steve chief Carson believes that if
00:32:13
Steve's death wasn't a suicide
00:32:15
then it was accidental there was
00:32:18
information that came to us that he was
00:32:20
prone to play with his gun I can see the
00:32:22
possibility that perhaps he was playing
00:32:25
with his gun and I think that that
00:32:27
probably is the strongest possibility in
00:32:31
Steve Sandler's death the possibility of
00:32:34
going off is tremendous maybe a few
00:32:37
years ago Steve would have played with
00:32:39
the weapon but I don't believe he would
00:32:42
have played with it and in this
00:32:44
particular stage of his life the results
00:32:50
of Steve's autopsy were inconclusive
00:32:51
some believe that the gun may have been
00:32:54
as much as two feet away from Steve's
00:32:56
head when it was fired an unusual
00:32:58
distance for a self-inflicted wound
00:33:00
secondly there are only insignificant
00:33:02
traces of gunpowder found out Steve's
00:33:04
hand an unusually small amount if Steve
00:33:07
had fired the fatal shot a spike test
00:33:09
information the Attorney General's
00:33:12
Office refused to rule out suicide
00:33:14
dissatisfied Steve's family conducted
00:33:17
their own investigation
00:33:19
how'd field stephen was murdered a field
00:33:22
he was murdered because he knew too much
00:33:24
about something Steve's death was a
00:33:27
homicide
00:33:29
I think they killed him to keep him
00:33:32
quiet of something he may have known
00:33:34
that was going on down in Mountaineer
00:33:42
the family's investigation uncovered one
00:33:44
possible motive for Steve's murder
00:33:46
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00:33:47
after only a few weeks of active duty
00:33:49
Steven begun to patrol alone
00:33:52
and we sometimes wait outside local bars
00:33:54
in order to apprehend drunk drivers
00:33:59
sir we need to see your driver's license
00:34:02
please so you can have to step out of
00:34:04
the car put your left hand outside and
00:34:06
open the door from the outside come out
00:34:09
shut the door on the night of April 11
00:34:12
just one month before his death Steve
00:34:15
arrested a local resident who made an
00:34:17
important discovery
00:34:22
this yours
00:34:24
sir I'm placing you under arrest with
00:34:26
this marijuana put your hands upon the
00:34:27
car on the car
00:34:29
spread your legs the following day a
00:34:32
warrant was obtained man's home was
00:34:35
searched 54 pounds of marijuana was
00:34:38
discovered with a street value of close
00:34:40
to $100,000
00:34:43
[Music]
00:34:46
within days of the arrest Steve received
00:34:49
death threats alarmed he refused to
00:34:52
sleep at his home
00:34:53
[Music]
00:34:59
there were a number of death threats I
00:35:01
didn't dismiss them however it wasn't
00:35:04
possible to trace these threats
00:35:06
mysterious phone calls these kind of
00:35:08
things we were all familiar with these
00:35:10
type of threats especially after we
00:35:12
started arresting drug dealers and so
00:35:14
forth they became more amplified during
00:35:19
this time the New Mexico Attorney
00:35:21
General's Office was investigating
00:35:23
reports that the mountain air police had
00:35:24
carelessly handled evidence Steve had
00:35:27
been questioned by investigators the day
00:35:29
before his death the last time I spoke
00:35:31
to Stephen Stephen indicated that it was
00:35:34
something going on that he did not agree
00:35:36
with down in Mountaineer he asked me
00:35:38
what would I do in that situation and I
00:35:42
basically told him to tell the truth
00:35:47
after his death Steve's house had been
00:35:50
searched by the authorities
00:35:52
three days later his family arrived in
00:35:54
Mountain Aire to collect his belongings
00:35:56
[Music]
00:36:02
Michelle and I were in the kitchen and
00:36:04
she opened a drawer what we found in the
00:36:12
drawer were several bags of marijuana
00:36:15
and yet looked at us and said they've
00:36:19
already searched this house what's this
00:36:20
stuff doing here says they couldn't
00:36:22
possibly have missed this and they
00:36:26
couldn't have you just open the drawer
00:36:28
and there it was it wasn't hidden it
00:36:30
wasn't disguised in any way it was just
00:36:34
there the only reason that I could think
00:36:39
of of it being there was someone had
00:36:42
made an attempt to make officer Santa
00:36:44
and look bad or possibly the police
00:36:46
department look bad but I'm convinced
00:36:48
that the evidence that marijuana was
00:36:51
planted there after Steve Salmons death
00:36:54
Steve always recorded his traffic stops
00:36:57
on a small cassette recorder in her
00:36:59
search Steve's mother discovered that
00:37:01
all of these mini cassettes were missing
00:37:02
what happened to these potentially
00:37:05
incriminating cassettes and who put the
00:37:07
marijuana inside Steve's home this whole
00:37:12
case is is like a big spider web it just
00:37:15
and it has tentacles you know you go one
00:37:20
direction and there's five more places
00:37:22
to look
00:37:23
several witnesses were found who stated
00:37:26
that they saw chief Carson parked or
00:37:30
outside the Mountaineer Police
00:37:32
Department between 7:15 and 7:25 or
00:37:37
there abouts we're not talking one two
00:37:39
but several people place him there at
00:37:42
that time anyone who would make the
00:37:46
statement efficiently that I was in the
00:37:48
area or here at the police station any
00:37:50
time between 7:00 and 7:30 is a liar I
00:37:54
was in the company and it's very easy to
00:37:58
analyze where I was I was in the company
00:38:01
of two to three hundred people at a
00:38:03
public function at the mountaineer high
00:38:04
school and are a number of people that I
00:38:06
was there with and spoke with that can
00:38:08
place me there at that time
00:38:10
[Applause]
00:38:11
there are many disturbing questions
00:38:14
involved in this case if Steve wasn't
00:38:16
rude why was he killed inside the police
00:38:18
station
00:38:19
why was marijuana discovered in his
00:38:21
house after a thorough police search and
00:38:24
perhaps most importantly and Steve's
00:38:26
fellow officers know more than they are
00:38:28
telling about his death when I was
00:38:34
offered the opportunity when I had the
00:38:36
opportunity I did agree to take a
00:38:39
lie-detector test for the Federal Bureau
00:38:41
of Investigation there are questions
00:38:43
about the Sandlin death were very
00:38:45
specific I was more than happy to do
00:38:48
that to get the opportunity to do it I
00:38:51
spoke with director Nelson with the
00:38:53
Special Agent in Charge Nelson in
00:38:55
Albuquerque after that polygraph was
00:38:59
given and his official statement was
00:39:01
that the Federal Bureau of Investigation
00:39:04
has no reason to believe there was any
00:39:05
attempt to deceive them on my part
00:39:07
whatsoever I don't know if it's cronyism
00:39:11
I don't know if there's other people
00:39:13
involved I don't know and no one's
00:39:16
telling us that's the main frustration
00:39:22
is that there are things that we know
00:39:25
and can't understand why things are not
00:39:27
being done about them
00:39:33
if there's anyone anyone at all who has
00:39:36
any information we would be so eternally
00:39:40
grateful to know that so that we can put
00:39:45
our son to rest
00:39:47
[Music]
00:40:07
today one of the front lines on the war
00:40:09
on drugs is inside illicit laboratories
00:40:12
such as this using commonly available
00:40:15
chemical the operators of the small
00:40:17
mobile labs manufacture the highly
00:40:19
addictive methamphetamines known as
00:40:21
methyl crank or crystal tonight police
00:40:25
need your help dressing one of the most
00:40:27
notorious of these meth cooks according
00:40:30
to investigators his masterminded the
00:40:32
construction of methamphetamine labs
00:40:34
across the country his normal mode of
00:40:39
operation would be to have any one of
00:40:41
his cronies set up the lab for him just
00:40:44
basically have all the chemicals and all
00:40:46
the necessities on hand so when he shows
00:40:48
up he would not have to do any manual
00:40:52
labor type operations he just gets right
00:40:53
to the coat gets it done and gets out of
00:40:55
the area and takes his rewards with him
00:40:59
34 year old Jonathan John Brown also
00:41:02
known as thumper is a charter member of
00:41:04
a motorcycle gang known as the Hessians
00:41:06
currently he is a federal fugitive
00:41:08
without standing warrants in California
00:41:10
Tennessee and Oregon
00:41:19
Brown managed to elude detection until
00:41:21
November of 1987 but after a lengthy
00:41:24
stakeout he was tracked to one of his
00:41:25
labs near Lancaster California on this
00:41:31
particular day we observed Jonathan John
00:41:34
Brown carrying 6 5 gallon containers of
00:41:37
acetone he had about 30 gallons of
00:41:39
acetone which is a quite a sizable
00:41:41
amount and by the fact that he had such
00:41:44
a sizeable quantity would indicate to us
00:41:45
that this was a sizeable meth lab Brown
00:41:51
pulled away in his truck these clothes
00:41:53
did he told us that the acetone belonged
00:42:05
to another subject and that he was
00:42:08
merely delivering the chemicals
00:42:13
humper was arrested and booked
00:42:15
temporarily on charges stemming from his
00:42:17
possession of a small amount of meth
00:42:18
amphetamine and for some outstanding
00:42:20
traffic citations
00:42:21
[Music]
00:42:26
after his arrest a search warrant was
00:42:29
obtained and police discovered a sizable
00:42:31
clandestine methamphetamine laboratory
00:42:33
but by the time more serious charges
00:42:35
could be filed thumper had been freed on
00:42:37
bond he then vanished methamphetamine on
00:42:45
the street coming directly from a lab
00:42:47
would sell for approximately ten
00:42:49
thousand dollars a pound it could have
00:42:53
very easily produced anywhere in a
00:42:56
neighborhood from fifty to a hundred
00:42:57
pounds of methamphetamine finished
00:42:59
product from this location police
00:43:04
estimated that with a chemicals on hand
00:43:06
this crude land could have manufactured
00:43:08
amphetamine is with a street value of
00:43:10
between one and one and a half million
00:43:12
dollars
00:43:13
[Music]
00:43:18
February of 1988 thumper had managed to
00:43:22
elude police when an informant told
00:43:24
investigators that he was hiding out at
00:43:26
a remote drug lab near Medford Oregon we
00:43:31
were not exactly sure what we were going
00:43:33
to find in the house we had intelligence
00:43:35
that there was a good deal of weaponry
00:43:38
on the house and that these people were
00:43:40
to be considered quite dangerous
00:43:47
immediately upon washing the door open
00:43:49
with us the door around the
00:43:51
entertainment received gunfire inside do
00:43:55
police were wounded and one Hessian was
00:43:57
killed the battle and police threw tear
00:44:04
gas into the premises the people in the
00:44:06
house surrendered the officers searched
00:44:13
the property they found various drugs in
00:44:15
a crude lab with no thumping conducting
00:44:20
interviews with the neighbors I was able
00:44:22
to find out that supper was a regular on
00:44:25
the premises that stayed there quite
00:44:27
often and normally for long periods of
00:44:29
time and was there as early as one day
00:44:32
prior to the raid then if the raid would
00:44:34
have been done one day earlier are we to
00:44:35
captured him to brown travels alone that
00:44:39
has helped set up his illicit labs
00:44:41
across the country he keeps a low
00:44:43
profile but seldom goes anywhere without
00:44:45
his large Neapolitan bull mastiff dog
00:44:51
Jonathan John Brown is six feet in
00:44:53
height and weighs 190 pounds he is a
00:44:56
pockmark complexion and brown hair and
00:44:58
brown eyes he also supports several
00:45:00
distinctive tattoos both arms feature an
00:45:04
iron cross behind a skull with a knife
00:45:06
through it and one on his chest raised
00:45:08
Hessians west coast
00:45:10
[Music]
00:45:27
join me next week another edition of
00:45:31
unsolved mysteries
00:45:32
[Music]
00:45:59
[Applause]
00:46:02
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