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Dallas Texas April 27
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1985 what starts as a regular day for
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Carrie ketchie is about to turn into a
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nightmare I had told him take anything
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you want just take it and
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leave well I didn't get off that easy he
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did rape me while holding a gun to my
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head the attack Sparks the hunt for a
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serial rapist a man who terrorizes women
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throughout Texas and beyond for 35 years
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many of them slept with their loaded
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guns under their pillows if they heard
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noises they would be afraid wherever
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they'd go they're looking behind their
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bag they were living in fear it changed
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their life forever as they knew it
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despite years of Investigations and
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Carrie ket's own determination the case
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goes
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cold years later investigators learn
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about a new groundbreaking forensic
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science he thought he was covering his
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tracks but as we all know there's no
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Perfect Crime I didn't look for him I
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didn't follow him uh they just were
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crossed paths and it was like there she
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is
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this is the story of a 35e search for a
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brutal serial rapist and one victim's
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courage and determination to find him
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I'm Nancy Grace this is bloodline
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Detectives
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Dallas Texas 1985 a vibrant dynamic city
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with a sophisticated blend of culture
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business and a very Texan
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identity but there is also a dark
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underbelly to this city in the Lone Star
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State
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it had per capita uh rape rate of like
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three times the national average so
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there was a lot of sexual assault a lot
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of crime and thankfully that's been
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reduced but it was I think a dangerous
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place especially for a young woman
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here Holly Hill where Carrie kety lives
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in a bustling neighborhood is popular
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with young
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professionals when when I bought the
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condo in 1979 it was quite the place to
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live being centrally located and
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especially for single people there were
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no Gates or anything didn't see any need
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for gates at that point it was a pretty
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safe area in 79 and we thought in the
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80s that it was safe but um things had
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turned around serial rapists were in the
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area in the mid 80s there were so many
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serial rapists that Dallas was number
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one on a list of time magazines
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dangerous cities for rape and there was
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a lot of opportunity because there were
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a lot of younger people moving in lots
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of apartment complexes lots of
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condos there was Greg Goin The Village
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rapist he would rape in the Village
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Apartments which was in Northeast Dallas
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then there was the ski mask rapist he
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raped in the same area there was the M
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Street rapist who raped um in lower
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green
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in the M Street
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area I was a nurse and I was working in
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an observation area recovering patients
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that have had local anesthesia I was
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working by myself and then I did get
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another nurse to help me and this was
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before my uh sexual
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assault Carrie was sleeping in her
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apartment while she was sleeping an
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intruder had jimmied her sliding door
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open to her apartment and I heard
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rustling on the
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wall and the guy was trying to find my
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light switch and he immediately turned
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it on came over to my bedside and had me
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turn over and he put a leather strap
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around both of my
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wrist and
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um turned me back over and he started uh
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rumaging through my dresser drawers and
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he EMP me emptied my
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purse um after that I I had told him
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take anything you want just take it and
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leave well I didn't get off that easy he
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did rape me while holding a gun to my
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head I was crying so hard that um I got
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to the point where I was sobbing and
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that bothered him and he said um quit
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that or I'm going to kill you
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he washed himself he also tried to wash
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the sheets in which he committed the
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sexual assault on what he was trying to
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do is to wash away the evidence so there
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wouldn't be no way that they could match
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him to
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anything and then he told her to stay
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there for 15 minutes after he was gone
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and then that's when she came out of the
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bathroom and notified uh the police well
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I I didn't stay in there 15 minutes I
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waited until I could could no longer
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hear him or see him in my bedroom and
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then I just sat on the edge of the tub
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and then I proceeded to tiptoe
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out and look all around my condo to see
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if he was anywhere
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around and when I discovered he was not
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there any longer I called the police and
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told him I had been
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raped Dallas police respond quickly to
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Carrie kutchie's call
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you're going to check out the bedroom
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the bathroom anywhere where that
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perpetrator had been you're going to
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dust for fingerprints look for Tears
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fibers anything out of place at that
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time DNA was not part of the forensic
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investigative procedure they collected a
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hair that they could use as a comparison
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they collected some sheets or a beds
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spread dusted for prints did not find
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any prints so you know they had some
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things to go on but unfortunately you
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know it wasn't a lot but but they did
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what they could
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do Carrie kety describes her attacker
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the best she can however she never sees
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his face he was wearing a ski mask so I
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only saw the color of his eyes he was
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wearing cut off blue jean shorts he was
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wearing a gray sweatshirt with a zipper
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and a hood he had on tennis shoes and
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dark
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socks uh his ski mask was
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turquoise because he was wearing that
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mask identification was impossible it
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had all the homeworks of somebody who
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had been doing this had been doing it
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frequently and was unfortunately pretty
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good at
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it can detectives stop a brutal serial
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rapist before he strikes again that's
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next on bloodline Detectives
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1985 Dallas Texas police hunting a
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masked rapist who has already attacked a
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young nurse in her own home at gunpoint
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her name Carrie crutchie immediately
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after the attack she's taken to the
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hospital for a sex assault
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exam the policewoman actually took me to
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the county hospital which is Parkland
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Hospital in Dallas
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you feel violated
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again and that's what I learned from
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them when I met the victims or I want to
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call them survivors because these ladies
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are
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[Music]
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survivors of course survivors of rape
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and sex assault have their right to
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remain anonymous but some women like
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Carrie ketchy choose to wave that right
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they want to encourage other victims to
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come forward don't be ashamed or
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embarrassed don't feel like they have to
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hide in the
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shadows being a nurse I knew what to
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expect and it made me think that that I
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I was hoping that there would be
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specimens
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taken from me that showed that he was my
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perpetrator Carrie kety decides to tell
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her neighbors about her ordeal and then
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later to The Wider Texas
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Community I went back that same day that
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had happened which was on a Saturday and
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told the ladies what happened to me so
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they could protect themselves cuz I
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would have felt bad if one of them had
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been raped because I did not say
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anything in August I had taken my car in
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to a mechanic I know before I left he
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said um you better be careful he said
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there's a serial rapist working your
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area and so with that information I went
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to the nearest newspaper stand and got a
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paper and there was that information and
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since that day I made a point to take
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the paper and keep track of different
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serial rapists in the area thinking that
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maybe one of those would be my
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perpetrator and that um that maybe this
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would be
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solved months turn to years Dallas
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Detectives continue to investigate
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Carrie ket's rape but they remain no
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closer to making an
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arrest the investigator gave me his card
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and he said call down to the police
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department anytime you want to and we'll
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let you know about the progression of
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your case which I did about every two
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weeks and nothing nothing nothing
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finally I call down and they tell me
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that it was an Hispanic man
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and I said no um my perpetrator is
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white and after that call I didn't call
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them back again I just thought no
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they're on the wrong path and I'm just
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going to just take matters in my own
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hands and just try to figure this out on
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my
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own the Hispanic man in question is
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Gilbert escabedo also known as the ski
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mask
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rapist I think there was an immediate
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thought that this perpetrator could be
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the same
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perpetrator that they were following
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that had been committing other crimes CU
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he had the same Mo they had already
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recovered a hair and they had to analyze
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they thought it was going to be
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goldbert and they they tested against
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them and it was not it was not him it
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was not a match escabedo was ruled out
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as a suspect on April 13th 1987 that was
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when the crime lab had definitively
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ruled him out based on the hair sample
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that was used as a comparison Gilbert
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escabedo is cleared by police the case
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goes cold technically what they did is
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they suspended the case pending
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investigation so they're not going to
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really do much proactively but if
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something comes along you know the case
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is still open if there's another suspect
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on a similar case um you know they could
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look at it that way but for all intents
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and purposes the investigation was shut
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down Carrie kety refuses to accept her
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case will never be solved she continues
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to track other cases like her own hoping
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one day she will identify her rapist but
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will her incredible efforts ever pay off
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that's next on bloodline Detectives
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Dallas Texas 2005 20 years since Carrie
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kety endures a brutal rape at gunpoint
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in her own apartment imagine the
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emotional toll it is taken on her and
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police are no closer to finding her
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attacker but Carrie kety will not give
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up she continues to wage her own
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investigation she wants this armed
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rapist brought to Justice she no longer
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wants to live in fear he will strike
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again I had kept a scrapbook since
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August of
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2005 any article about serial rapist or
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new laws being passed or anything like
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that I kept in this
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scrapbook and it it was it just felt
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really healthy for me to have it I could
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use it as a reference and I still have
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it
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today Carrie continues to build her
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scrapbook police turn to cotus the
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National Database of known offenders
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hoping and praying for a break in the
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case the DNA Act of
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1994 created the Kota system and so
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car's
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perpetrator had not committed a crime
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where he was caught and his DNA was
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uploaded in a cotus from the years of
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1994
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forward 2005 live Dallas Police launched
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their sex assault Cold Case program or
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CCAP the program targets unsolved rape
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cases from the 70s and 80s it recognizes
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that sex assault is a
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lifechanging event often life
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shattering the program understands
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survivors need to know who attacked them
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before they can find some kind of Peace
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in their lives and move forward
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Pat Welsh was the sergeant over the
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sexual assault division at the Dallas
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Police Department and he really you know
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not just in this case but in several
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cases revolutionized how the Dallas
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Police Department started treating these
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cases and coming on the heels of 10 to
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15 years of prolific serial rapists many
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which hadn't been solved
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yet the CCAP happened because the lady
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from California called and asked us to
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work her case that's when I found out
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that our last was holding all the sexual
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assaults from the 70s and 80s and were
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still still could be productive as far
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as Gathering evidence I felt that that's
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something that the survivors all wanted
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to know is who was their attacker so uh
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I put that article in the newspaper
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asking people if they were interested to
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contact
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me got the okay from the chain of
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custody to process some of the sexual
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assault kits that were still being used
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by the ladies that had come to me so we
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did that got some matches although we
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had matches he couldn't prosecute cuz
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the stash limitations of Texas back then
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was only 5 years but it was well worth
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it and I thought oh good here's another
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lead for me and there was the phone
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number so I called and talked to
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Sergeant Welsh Patrick
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Welsh I just thought now is my chance to
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be able to find out if indeed Greg gopen
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is my perpetrator Sergeant wels did come
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to my house and he took the the swab of
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my cheek and uh he was able to tell
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me uh that after a period of time that
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he was not my perpetrator which
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devastated me cuz I really thought he
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was when Carrie thought that it was the
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village rapist I think there was a sense
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of relief she felt that at least the guy
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was caught and that he was going to be
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brought to justice so when they found
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out that his DNA was not a match it was
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um almost like ret traumatizing again
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like he is still out there so I think
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for her it was very devastating thinking
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that you have relief and the guy is
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never going to come back for you and
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then realizing he's still out
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there Carrie kety then turns to the
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support group program set up by
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CCAP she came to a group Carrie was very
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quiet Qui very
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Meek she just wanted to know information
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and I didn't know much of her history
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and what she'd been doing at that time
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for our first group meeting but that's
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what I remember her very quiet very
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sweet
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lady Carrie desperately wanted to find
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out who that offender was and so she was
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working towards it and I remember her
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bringing that notebook the famous
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notebook of hers with information that
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she kept up which turned out to be a
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good thing for some of the other ladies
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in our group because
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they also suspected some of their
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offenders that might have been in her
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book we would meet probably um once a
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month and it was for support and
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empowerment and trying to change laws
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you know getting rape kits
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tested um writing letters to the
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legislature
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just being in a a circle talking to one
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another crying laughing it helped me
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immensely and I just felt like I had a
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Sisterhood with
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them we knew what each other had been
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through I belonged to that group for
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about 5 years I met a lot of wonderful
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women we were in a support group
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together I was able to share with them
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they were able to share with me and some
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of the cases got solved some were
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already in jail and um but my case was
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never solved
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she wanted to know about her case
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Sergeant Welsh pulled the report went to
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see her and the process started where he
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would look for the rape kit and try to
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submit it to the Swift's lab to get it
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evaluated and and see if we found any
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evidence well she knew that her case
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didn't have any evidence that we could
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match up so she came to me and asked me
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if she brought me some evidence what
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could I do about about it and I said
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well if you bring me evidence I'll take
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a look at it and ask the lab to take a
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look at it as well so she went and got
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some garbage from a possible suspect
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that she and her friend thought was good
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for the case and she took some stuff out
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of the trash can and brought it to me
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because she had asked me previously
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could she do that and would I have it
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analyzed and I said if you believe that
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this is the guy that did it I'll have an
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analyze so after I found out that then I
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was a little braver so so one day after
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work I went in the daytime I went by
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myself I knew when the trash was going
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to be picked up at that place and I
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picked up some trash and uh took it to
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him and uh it was around Christmas time
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and I put it on Sergeant Welch's desk in
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a brown paper bag with a a bow on it and
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said this is not a gift be careful in
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opening
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this and uh so he took that and he sent
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it off for the
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DNA um and Sergeant Welsh has a
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wonderful sense of humor so I knew that
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he would enjoy that um and anyhow it
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came back in a matter of weeks it seems
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like and um yes there was a good sample
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but it did not match our
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perpetrator Carrie KY continues to help
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in the investigation any way she
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can I went public I was in the Dallas
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Morning News the front page and how I
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was seeking to find my perpetrator and
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how I was going about it I just I didn't
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want to be in the shadow like I've seen
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other victims I wanted to people to know
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that this is a face and there's a name
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with me I just really wanted women in
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this in the same um type situation to
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not be afraid to come forward we didn't
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deserve this and we need to put these
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guys behind bars
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2015 at last a
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breakthrough what the Dallas Police
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Department did was they went and got the
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Buckle swabs the cheek swabs of the
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victims so that they could establish
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their DNA profile sent those to the lab
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and at the same time still had the
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samples from the sexual assault kits
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that could be tested for DNA and compare
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victim DNA profile and see if there is
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an unidentified male profile so there
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were four cases all between 1982 and
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1985 carries was the last and this you
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know we'll call it the quartet of cases
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where they were able to identify an
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unknown male
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profile so then that's when law
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enforcement knew they had a serial
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rapist on their hands and his DNA when
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you put it in cotus if if he doesn't
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have any prior convictions and if he was
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never in cotus there's no name on that
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it's just a DNA profile and that's the
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big difference between cotus
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and how genetic genealogy works we knew
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number one that their perpetrator was
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not one of these other prolific serial
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rapist who had been suspected at the
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time this was conclusive evidence that
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it was not only another serial rapist
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but someone we had no idea who it
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was 2020 another breakthrough
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advancements in DNA technology bring
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Carrie KY just one step closer to
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identifying her rapist
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Carrie wanted to find out if they can
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further investigate her case because all
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along she was trying she was looking at
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any possibilities and when she heard
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about Mary and woods she talked to her
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and myself and the sergeant we had
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already been retired so she called him
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and the assistant district attorney
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Leighton deanton was very positive and
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told her that he would certainly look
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into it and see what he could
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do after I was interviewed on a News
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segment at 10:00 news one evening in
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March of
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2020 Carrie emailed me the very next
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morning and wrote a simple email that
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just basically said I was raped on April
00:23:38
27th 1985 the Dallas Police Department
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has his DNA and it's been uploaded in to
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cotus with no match I'm 70 years old now
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I've been waiting 35 years for an answer
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please help me if you can and so as soon
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soon as I read that I immediately got in
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touch with her and she filled me in on
00:24:03
the details and I knew that I had to do
00:24:06
whatever I possibly could to help her
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she lived in a suburb next to the suburb
00:24:12
I lived in I called her I think the next
00:24:15
day and ask her if she could help me
00:24:18
guide me with getting my case solved and
00:24:21
she said I believe I can so by our
00:24:25
friendship we wrote the proper letters
00:24:27
to get in the assistant district
00:24:30
attorney's office that would be um
00:24:32
Leighton dantony then I get this email
00:24:35
and and it had a letter attached to it
00:24:37
and it was from Carrie and a woman named
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Maran woods and it just kind of spelled
00:24:43
out her story and not just her story but
00:24:45
you know story of other young women who
00:24:48
in the early and mid 80s in Dallas uh
00:24:50
had been the victims of some pretty
00:24:52
brutal home invasion sexual assaults and
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so as soon as I got it I I was very
00:24:57
interested he was very optimistic over
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the phone and he said yes he would take
00:25:03
it
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on after 35 long years finally there is
00:25:09
New Life in this investigation a
00:25:11
respected genetic genealogist and a
00:25:14
Dallas assistant district attorney join
00:25:17
krie cr's fight will The elusive Dallas
00:25:20
rapist finally be caught we find out
00:25:24
next on bloodline Detectives
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Dallas Texas 2020 the science of
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investigative genetic genealogy breathes
00:25:42
New Hope into the hunt for a brutal
00:25:44
serial rapist he's the same sex offender
00:25:47
who attacked Carrie ketchy 35 years
00:25:52
before I think Carrie kept putting her
00:25:55
hopes in the fact that some piece of
00:25:59
evidence was going to turn up some new
00:26:01
technology was going to be able to solve
00:26:04
her case every time she hit a roadblock
00:26:08
or she had a disappointment I'm sure she
00:26:10
was devastated but she picked herself
00:26:12
right up and kept going and you know
00:26:15
told herself that she was not going to
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give
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up i' been doing cold cases you know
00:26:20
traditional St Str DNA cases for quite
00:26:23
some time but I didn't know much about
00:26:25
this forensic genetic genealogy and so I
00:26:27
just a good portion of 2019 trying to
00:26:31
educate myself that's when I started you
00:26:34
know meeting with uh agent Randy White
00:26:36
at the FBI he was putting together the
00:26:38
FBI's program for the Dallas office and
00:26:42
he was also kind of just learning about
00:26:43
it and you know it was a perfect match
00:26:46
at a perfect time of Randy myself and
00:26:49
Carrie sending me the letter the first
00:26:52
thing I did on this case was request
00:26:55
money to get lab work done
00:26:58
law enforcement does not produce the
00:27:00
kind of DNA needed for genealogy we have
00:27:02
to use private Labs so I started working
00:27:05
with the Dallas County lab here
00:27:07
requesting that they prepare that DNA
00:27:09
for a different kind of um process
00:27:12
called a a single nucleo tide
00:27:14
polymorphism or a snip profile and so we
00:27:17
got that DNA from the lab here and had
00:27:20
it sent down to a private
00:27:23
lab once the DNA was processed and
00:27:26
uploaded into Data base that works with
00:27:28
law enforcement we were able to identify
00:27:31
some family members of our
00:27:33
subject I continue to work that case
00:27:36
long into the night I was able to work
00:27:38
on it on a laptop at home so I while was
00:27:42
with my family neglecting them I I
00:27:45
continued to build family treeses on
00:27:46
this case and then at about midnight I
00:27:49
decided I would uh try to get some sleep
00:27:51
and I tossed and turned for about 2
00:27:53
hours uh pretending to sleep before I
00:27:55
realized it was time to just get back to
00:27:57
work so I woke up and continu to work on
00:27:59
the case and um I was so close that I
00:28:01
just couldn't put it
00:28:04
down and then once I identified someone
00:28:07
in my tree that was living in Texas I
00:28:09
became instantly interested in that
00:28:11
person thinking this could be someone
00:28:13
that um is our guy and then I ran his
00:28:16
criminal history and his criminal
00:28:18
history included a rape that occurred in
00:28:20
1973 and then I felt extremely confident
00:28:23
that he was going to be our suspect at
00:28:25
that point I called the prosecutor and I
00:28:27
called my boss and I was jumping through
00:28:29
the roof excited that I had potentially
00:28:31
found our guy so quickly of course you
00:28:33
know we had to calm down and say well
00:28:35
let's let's now let's exclude him let's
00:28:36
prove it so who is this serial rapist
00:28:41
and can he be connected directly to the
00:28:44
1985 Dallas rape of Carrie
00:28:47
kety once you get over the shock of wow
00:28:50
we solved this case or I say we they
00:28:53
solved this case in you know less than
00:28:55
24 hours um you want to H who is it okay
00:28:58
tell me everything about him what's his
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name David Thomas Hawkins okay generic
00:29:05
enough sounding name um can you send me
00:29:07
something about him and he sent me his
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driver's license photo and I remember
00:29:11
getting the phone and I had stepped away
00:29:13
from my son's game and my wife what are
00:29:16
you doing over there I'm like just you
00:29:17
know hold on hold and there's this you
00:29:19
know old white dude with kind of like
00:29:21
bushy white beard or mustache
00:29:25
and you always think about what is your
00:29:27
suspect that going to look like on cases
00:29:29
you've worked you know months years
00:29:32
um and that was it was unexpected I
00:29:35
didn't expect him to look like that but
00:29:37
uh but it was just such an incredible
00:29:38
feeling to know that we finally had
00:29:41
him Dallas Police waste no time at all
00:29:45
in tracking down the suspect his name
00:29:48
David Thomas
00:29:51
Hawkins we identified him on Saturday
00:29:53
July 25th and 2 days later on Monday um
00:29:57
me and a couple other FBI agents
00:29:59
conducted a surveillance on his
00:30:00
residence he lived in Kean Texas which
00:30:03
is about an hour and a half Southwest of
00:30:05
Dallas we conducted that surveillance
00:30:07
that day and did observe him and so we
00:30:09
felt confident that we had the right
00:30:11
residence and we determined that it
00:30:13
would be important to do a syruptitious
00:30:15
DNA collection by collecting DNA that he
00:30:18
had discarded and so we conducted a
00:30:21
24-hour surveillance over the next five
00:30:23
days we observed Hawkins drag a trash
00:30:26
bin out to the curb he left the
00:30:28
residence and we collected that trash
00:30:31
from the trash bin at the curtilage of
00:30:32
his property and we brought it back to
00:30:34
FBI Dallas where we met with the Dallas
00:30:37
Police Department and we conducted a
00:30:39
search of that trash there we submitted
00:30:42
several water bottles and beer bottles
00:30:44
that had been collected in the house but
00:30:46
ultimately we only got a hit on one
00:30:49
item at last Dallas investigators have
00:30:52
the DNA match they need to arrest David
00:30:56
Thomas Hawkins now to confront him
00:31:00
that's next on bloodline
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00:31:10
detectives Dallas Texas 2020 police
00:31:13
about to confront David Thomas Hawkins
00:31:15
the prime suspect in a series of sex
00:31:18
assaults before they do they visit a
00:31:21
courageous Survivor of his attacks
00:31:25
Carrie kie to update her on the lat
00:31:28
lest on August 19th of
00:31:32
2020 Carrie has some unexpected visitors
00:31:35
at her door and it's Sergeant Welch and
00:31:38
Pat Keaton the victim's
00:31:41
Advocate I sat down there and I said
00:31:43
okay um this has got to be either good
00:31:45
news or bad news and they said it's good
00:31:49
news um they arrested your perpetrator
00:31:51
this morning in Kean
00:31:54
Texas she cried and we all hugged her
00:31:58
and it was just so exciting it was just
00:32:00
like
00:32:02
surreal oh I I I just felt really lated
00:32:06
I had a sense of Peace come over me like
00:32:09
this was all been worth
00:32:13
it because Hawkins was a a violent
00:32:16
offender who had a felony history and
00:32:19
had a lot of guns that we were able to
00:32:21
identify through social media a decision
00:32:23
was made that it would be a SWAT hit on
00:32:25
his location at his house um was also so
00:32:28
far from the Dallas Police Department
00:32:31
that it would been difficult for them to
00:32:32
get the amount of officers they needed
00:32:33
to conduct that and the FBI is more
00:32:35
capable when it comes to getting outside
00:32:37
of the city to perform that arrest so he
00:32:40
was arrested by the FBI SWAT team on
00:32:42
August 20th
00:32:45
20120 investigators who began to
00:32:47
question David Thomas Hawkins are
00:32:50
surprised to learn he has a medical
00:32:53
background Hawkins had told me during
00:32:55
the interview that he had first
00:32:57
committed his sex assault while he was a
00:32:59
dentist in Arkansas and that while he
00:33:02
was in dental school he was struggling
00:33:04
to pass his classes and that he had
00:33:06
determined he was going to kill one of
00:33:08
his college
00:33:09
professors he did surveillance on him
00:33:12
followed him around and ultimately
00:33:13
decided he was not going to kill him and
00:33:16
at that time he was very distraught and
00:33:18
upset about where he was in his life and
00:33:21
whether or not he was going to graduate
00:33:22
dental
00:33:23
school and here's where I think all this
00:33:26
started I remember
00:33:29
voicing to
00:33:33
Satan
00:33:34
uh and I hesitate to say this because I
00:33:37
don't want him to think I'm doing it
00:33:39
again give me
00:33:43
power and apparently he
00:33:46
did one of the side effects of that
00:33:49
power that he was given was this
00:33:51
insatiable you know inability to prevent
00:33:54
himself from attacking women he said
00:33:57
that it would just come over him that he
00:33:59
would otherwise being just a normal nice
00:34:01
person and that he would see a woman and
00:34:03
something would Just Awaken in him that
00:34:05
he could not control that he attributed
00:34:07
to the
00:34:08
devil and that he would then feel
00:34:10
compelled to assault that
00:34:13
woman I battled
00:34:17
that all during this time that this was
00:34:20
going on uh praying for God to get him
00:34:24
out of my
00:34:25
life and uh
00:34:28
immediately as each attack
00:34:31
occurred it was like I I had super super
00:34:35
power I wasn't afraid of
00:34:37
anything
00:34:38
uh the opportunity of these ladies was
00:34:42
there I didn't look for them I didn't
00:34:44
follow them uh they just were crossed
00:34:48
paths and it was like there she
00:34:52
is David Thomas Hawkins interview is
00:34:56
remarkable he had commits to multiple
00:34:59
attacks on women and he says the devil
00:35:03
made him do
00:35:04
it we did Research into a bunch of old
00:35:07
newspapers where we were able to find
00:35:09
sex assaults that had occurred and then
00:35:11
contact those police departments
00:35:12
requesting records for those sex
00:35:14
assaults unfortunately most of those
00:35:16
police departments told us they didn't
00:35:17
have records that went back that far and
00:35:19
we were never able to positively
00:35:21
identify any additional victims but at
00:35:24
that time in those articles we were able
00:35:26
to find that several police departments
00:35:28
had gotten together and identified him
00:35:30
as the traveling rapist and that he had
00:35:32
conducted rapes in Amarillo Leck witch
00:35:35
to Falls abene Dallas Fort Worth and
00:35:38
shareport and during our interview he
00:35:40
told me that that was true that he had
00:35:42
committed rapes in every one of those
00:35:43
cities I think he's responsible for many
00:35:46
more than he's admitted to but when I
00:35:48
asked that question of him how many
00:35:49
rapes do you think you've committed he
00:35:51
told me at that time that he believed it
00:35:53
was somewhere above 30 but he couldn't
00:35:56
be he was not more specific than that
00:35:59
with a trial date looming Hawkins enters
00:36:02
a plea deal I knew after our interview
00:36:05
in 20 September of 2020 that he was
00:36:08
going to uh plead guilty just based on
00:36:10
the fact that we had him to DNA and he
00:36:12
had given me a confession now that
00:36:14
confession wasn't specific to any of our
00:36:16
cases but it was broad enough that it
00:36:17
would have been extremely damaging for
00:36:19
him at trial and I knew at that point he
00:36:21
was resigned to the fact that he was
00:36:23
going to prison in our interview he had
00:36:26
actually told me he wished he knew he
00:36:27
would get a cut eventually but he wished
00:36:30
that he had just had a few more years to
00:36:31
enjoy you know his freedom but that he
00:36:34
knew he was going to die in
00:36:35
prison David Thomas Hawkins 75 years old
00:36:40
when his trial begins in Dallas
00:36:43
September 2021 he pleads guilty to sex
00:36:46
assault and three counts of aggravated
00:36:49
rape before sentencing his courageous
00:36:53
victim Carrie kety directly addresses
00:36:57
her
00:36:58
rapist had on a medical mask because of
00:37:02
Co so um when I got up to read my um
00:37:07
impact statement I asked the judge if he
00:37:11
would mind having Hawkins take off his
00:37:14
mask I'd never seen his face before and
00:37:16
I wanted to see his
00:37:17
face and um so he had this well this
00:37:23
like
00:37:24
walrus uh mustache just very bushy
00:37:28
and he really didn't make much eye
00:37:30
contact with me when I read my statement
00:37:33
and he showed no signs of remorse my
00:37:36
last paragraph that I read was David
00:37:38
Thomas
00:37:40
Hawkins I wish for you that you spend
00:37:43
the rest of your time in prison and that
00:37:46
you burn in hell and I said it very loud
00:37:49
and very
00:37:51
clear what a dramatic moment in the
00:37:55
courtroom then the judge oses
00:37:59
sentence Hawkins was ultimately
00:38:01
sentenced to four counts of aggravated
00:38:03
sexual assault and he received four life
00:38:07
sentences David Thomas Hawkins Behind
00:38:10
Bars the rest of his life and Carrie
00:38:13
ket's work instrumental in putting him
00:38:17
there I think what's interesting about
00:38:19
car's case is she progressed her own
00:38:22
investigation along with law enforcement
00:38:24
as the techniques and technology
00:38:26
advanced and changed
00:38:28
she could have let this destroy her and
00:38:32
she took all the bad and all the agony
00:38:36
that she went through and it made her
00:38:39
stronger um it certainly directed her
00:38:41
life in a direction she never
00:38:44
anticipated but you know and I anytime
00:38:47
anyone asks me about car I tell them she
00:38:49
is the most Fearless person I've ever
00:38:52
met I just felt like I really couldn't
00:38:54
completely heal until I knew
00:38:58
so that's why I kept on searching I kept
00:39:00
on
00:39:01
searching endlessly and until it till it
00:39:06
paid
00:39:08
off it is a remarkable end to an
00:39:11
investigation ultimately the game
00:39:14
changer is the science of investigative
00:39:17
genetic
00:39:19
genealogy forensic genetic geneology was
00:39:22
the key to this case it was the right
00:39:24
place at the right time the technology
00:39:26
was growing I'm pretty convinced I think
00:39:29
probably Carrie's convinced that her
00:39:30
case never would have been solved it
00:39:32
would have just been one of those ones
00:39:33
that just left on the back burner you
00:39:35
know in the dusty file someplace getting
00:39:37
Dusty in a basement I think it was Ralph
00:39:40
Waldo Emerson who said that wherever a
00:39:43
man commits a crime God finds a witness
00:39:48
and DNA is that witness DNA was a
00:39:50
witness at the crime and DNA does not
00:39:54
lie you know it it does not have a fuzzy
00:39:57
memory it cannot be intimidated by
00:39:59
anyone and DNA is the most reliable
00:40:03
witness to a
00:40:07
crime I just
00:40:10
think people should come
00:40:12
forward and get the cases
00:40:15
solved
00:40:17
um I I think we need these guys behind
00:40:21
we do need these guys behind
00:40:23
bars and um it just you don't even have
00:40:28
to go public like I have the resources
00:40:31
are out there and they're easier to get
00:40:34
to Carrie ketchie a victim turned hero
00:40:40
she refuses to allow the lifelong pain
00:40:43
in her own attack to stop her from
00:40:45
Seeking Justice car's determination over
00:40:49
35 years is
00:40:52
amazing what a champion not only for
00:40:55
herself but other rap victims out there
00:40:59
I'm Nancy Grace thanks for joining us
00:41:01
here on bloodline Detectives
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