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Rick Caruso on California’s Collapse: Broken Leadership, LA Wildfire Failures & the Fix

October 01, 2025 / 22:56

This episode features Rick Caruso discussing his experiences as a developer and his views on leadership in Los Angeles. Key topics include the recent fires in the Pacific Palisades, the inefficiencies of city management, and the need for competent leadership in California.

Caruso reflects on the tragic fires that affected the Pacific Palisades, emphasizing his proactive measures such as bringing in private firefighters and water trucks. He criticizes the city’s response and highlights the importance of being present as a leader during crises.

The conversation touches on the slow rebuilding process in Los Angeles, attributing delays to red tape and lack of urgency from city officials. Caruso expresses frustration over the city’s management and calls for accountability from elected officials.

Caruso shares his vision for California, advocating for improved infrastructure, housing, and a focus on quality of life. He emphasizes the need for active citizen engagement and competent leadership to address issues like homelessness and public safety.

The episode concludes with Caruso discussing his potential political aspirations, weighing the options of running for mayor or governor, and the importance of serving the community effectively.

TL;DR

Rick Caruso discusses leadership, the Pacific Palisades fires, and his vision for California's future.

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For people don't know who Rick Caruso
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is, he's a great developer. You walk
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into one of Caruso's places and it's
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safe, it's clean, you want to bring your
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kids.
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Ideology did not save the palisades.
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Competency would have running this city
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is running a business for the benefit of
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the residents. You've got to make good
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business decisions. It was predictable,
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Bill. What's predictable is preventable.
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Rick Caruso now has a golden road in the
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governor's race if he wants it. What's
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happened to LA over the last decade is
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just tragic. It's sad to watch.
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Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome
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Rick Caruso.
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[Music]
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Great to see you, brother. Thank you for
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coming.
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Thank you very much.
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All right.
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Make my rounds. Thank you.
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Good to see you.
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Good seeing you. Hello everybody.
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All right, Rick. Um, we're nine months
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out from the tragic fires. So much has
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happened. So much has happened. Karen
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Bass,
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so incompetent. Such a disgracad
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my my Italian brethren in here. But when
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you when you look at it in all
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seriousness, you know, you had some
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properties there and you've always been
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an innovator. Everybody knows the Grove.
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I spent so much time there with my
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beautiful daughter Lotus and and my my
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beautiful wife, um, Jade. Just
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what a gift you've given so many times
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over to this amazing city. And then you
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watched this horrible incompetence. And
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yet you innovated and you had these
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incred this incredible insight that when
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the fires were coming, you would get
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water in trucks and bring it to the
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Pacific Palisades. And then you found
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this unique group of innovators called
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firefighters and you also brought some
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of them. What did you see in this
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incredible moment of clarity that when
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the fires were coming that Karen Bass
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didn't see?
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Well, the first thing I did is I stayed
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in town. Um, which
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I I I think
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you didn't abandon the city.
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I think when you want to be a leader,
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you should probably be present. But, uh,
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good start.
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That's a good rule. Listen, we learned a
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lot when we were building our resort up
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in Monaceto in Myiramar. Uh we had fires
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there that were threatening the
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construction site. We were just under
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construction. And I had a very smart guy
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still do on the team name is Banyan. And
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he's the one that said, "We can bring in
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private firefighters. We can bring in
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our own water trucks. We can bring in
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retardant." And listen, here's another
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rule that's really important when you're
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in the commercial side of the business.
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You want the firefighters that are
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working for the city or the county first
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and foremost to protect the homes. And
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we know that they should be doing that.
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So, we want to have resources to protect
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our buildings so the resources aren't
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taken away from the residential areas.
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That's just I think being a good
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citizen.
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So, fast forward to Palisades. We know
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we're in a fire zone. We built it with
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all non-combustible materials. We
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designed it so there was no open vents
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that an ember can get into. About 90% of
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the homes in the Palisades and Aladena
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burned from the inside out.
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So, these wind warnings came, and I'm
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sure you all saw them to the point that
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I didn't even believe that they could be
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true. catastrophic
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life-threatening winds and our team
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rallied. We had our firefighters,
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our water, our retardant station there
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two days before the fire and we were
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ready to go. And I'm really proud of my
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team because they not only saved the
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village, but we saved the whole block uh
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of properties. And we were actually on
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the 7th loaning equipment to LA Fire
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Department who was running short of
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equipment. And we were actually loaning
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water cuz we were bringing in our water
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tanks when the water hydrants failed to
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work.
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Rick, it's been 8 months, I guess, since
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these fires. Um, how much of it is being
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rebuilt now?
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Not enough. I was out there last night.
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Um, it's slower than it should be.
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And what is slowing it down?
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slowing it down is an enormous amount of
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red tape. I mean, the previous speaker
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is talking about red tape in the state
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of California. We have red tape in the
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city of Los Angeles and the county.
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That's ridiculous. But let me just give
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you an example. Since co
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we have still not, we being the city has
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still not called back workers to city
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hall. So plan checkers in LA city are
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working from home. You just lost 7,000
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homes.
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You would think the first thing the
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mayor would do is say, "You 10 plan
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checkers are now out in the palisades in
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a construction trailer where the people
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need you." They're still working out of
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a home.
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Why did the people Why? I want to know
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why.
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Yeah. Why?
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That makes me angry.
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You'll have to call 1800.
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What's What's your I've I've tried to
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call that number a number of times. What
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is What is your sense of the incentives
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there? What is driving that? Is it a
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union thing? Is it uh you're going to
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get unelected because this voting block
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wants to work from home? What is the
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incentive for that? Incompetence makes
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no sense.
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Okay, I think this is what it is. I I
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think there's a level of incompetence
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that's combined with literally a
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stagnation and there's no urgency to do
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anything. So there's no decision-m and
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all of us have been in situations in
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business or whatnot where you meet
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somebody that is just not well equipped.
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And so what happens when you're not well
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equipped to make decisions and either
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easy situations or complex situations,
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you sort of freeze up.
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So the kids run the class.
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Yeah. I'll throw out a theory and get
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your reaction to it, which is California
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is a one party state and Karen Bass
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doesn't really need to serve the people
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because historically we haven't really
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had competitive elections. What's
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important is that she satisfies this
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political machine that keeps her in
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office. She wasn't a particularly
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distinguished candidate or anything like
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that. She' just been around the block
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for a long time.
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And frankly, we had the best candidate
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to ever challenge Karen Bass, which was
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you, a successful businessman.
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Unbelievable.
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And and the proof of that is that
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I love this crowd, by the way.
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This crowd is intelligent.
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Yeah. Yes, they are.
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Yeah. And and the proof of that was was
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in the fires because I think it's pretty
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obvious that the Palisades wouldn't have
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burned to the ground if you had been the
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mayor because you would have made sure
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that there was water in the fire
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hydrants.
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David, what's amazing to me is, and
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we're waiting for this action a uh
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afteraction report, which is incredible.
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We don't even have it yet, but I am I
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was convinced nine months ago. I'm more
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convinced today that fire was completely
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preventable. And if you think I'm wrong
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and it wasn't completely preventable,
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the damage could have been significantly
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mitigated.
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The fire department was never
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pre-eployed. Where the fire started is
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the same exact place that there was a
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fire 7 days before. I think what we're
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going to see is the fire department did
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not put that original fire out. It
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smoldered and reignited.
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When it reignited, the winds were not
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here yet. The smoke was going straight
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up. We had the largest reservoir not
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filled with water.
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I mean, I got the call at night. The
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family was together. Your daughter's
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home is burning down and the
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firefighters, their hoses have stopped.
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There is no more water in the fire
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hydrants. And I said, "How can that be?
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We're the second largest city in the
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country. Impossible." But listen, I
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think all of it is fixable. So, I'm an
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optimist and with the right kind of
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leadership and I'm not saying it's me.
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I'm just saying in general in this
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state, in this city, and this country,
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with the right kind of leadership that
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is competent, eager, and willing to make
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decisions
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because they want to do what's best for
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the people they serve and not worrying
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about getting reelected,
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great things can happen. And that's my
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hope for the
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Why is this happening around the nation?
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When you look at Portland, Seattle,
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Chicago, New York, these cities around
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this country, we're seeing similar kind
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of systems of decay and degradation. But
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is it No, but what did you say?
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No, he said they're blue.
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But I I I want to like is that is that
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really what's going on or is there a
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social thing that's going on or a
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societal thing that's going on that's
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causing people to say let's let these
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cities kind of decay? Let's stop doing
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our jobs. let's keep kind of ballooning
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the the budgets but not delivering any
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results. What is it that's going on?
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I have a little bit different take. I
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have a different take that I think
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there's been a a sense of apathy. I
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think people have not gotten engaged.
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Not enough people vote and get involved
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and we don't hold our elected officials
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accountable. Uh people now that run for
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office believe they have an office for
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life. And I think that's very dangerous.
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That was never the intent of our
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founding fathers. It was to serve and
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then go back to your private life.
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That's right.
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And and now what we have is people just
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they cycle through it. And what we need
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to do is get more people active. I don't
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care what your political persuasion is.
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Get out and vote. And but what we have
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seen particularly are extremes that are
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very motivated to vote and they're
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moving these uh elected officials that
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are ideologues into positions. And this
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ideology, which may be well intended,
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has not had good results.
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Have the people of Los Angeles seen
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enough, do you think, to have the common
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sense to put competent leadership in?
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I hope so.
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Have they seen enough?
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We're going to find out in about a year.
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What do the politicians mean when I
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mean, I think I've heard Karen Bass say
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this. I think I've heard uh Gavin
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Newsome say this that they see
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that what happened in the Palisades as
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an opportunity to reimagine. What are
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they imagining there? Uh, and how is
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that different than just letting people
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rebuild their homes?
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I I I can't I can't see.
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I mean, I think they're talking about
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turning large parts of the Palisades
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into low-income housing or something
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like that. Is there I mean, should
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people be worried about this?
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I don't think so. I I think there's
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probably fringe people who would like to
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see zoning changes. I don't believe that
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there should be zoning changes on the
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backs of people who have lost their
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homes and their businesses. If you want
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to do that, you want to have that
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discussion, do it in an orderly fashion,
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but do everything you can to get people
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back into their communities, back into
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their homes. And I, this city and
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government has got to have this culture
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that we've got your back. We're here for
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you. And we don't have that.
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And you're not going to get people to
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reinvest in their own homes, and their
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own community unless they think the
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city's going to be there with them. How
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uh how much of the ineptitude of Los
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Angeles is derived from the ineptitude
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of the state of California?
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Well, I think it's part and parcel, you
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know, to be honest. But I also believe
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that
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so is Gavin Newsome helpful. Has he done
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stuff to help? Like when you when all
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the people in LA who are still, you
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know, dispossessed and out of a home
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called him, is he able to apply pressure
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to the city of California or is it just
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city of LA rather? Or is it just chaos?
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I don't think it's chaos. I think
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actually Gavin has done some good
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things. Waving SQA, waving the Coastal
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Commission. Those are really smart
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things that he's done. I'd like to see
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him do more.
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Well, what would you want him to do?
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What he could do is he could demand
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changes very quickly. Um, and if not, he
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could exert
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independent California authority to make
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changes. Th the these communities,
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Altadena and Malibu and Palisades, they
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need completely new infrastructure. They
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need all the power lines underground.
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They need new water systems. All of that
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has to be done. He's got the power to
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really make that happen. And frankly,
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we've got to figure out a way to get the
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federal government to help financially.
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And I think name calling uh probably is
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not a good way to build a relationship
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to get billions of dollars into the
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state of California. So, I'd like to see
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that stop. Where can you be more
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effective as mayor or governor of
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California?
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I think they're very different. Um, but
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I think either one of them. I really do.
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I think I think either one.
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But I think they have different They
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obviously have different authorities and
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different powers, but I think either one
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can be very effective.
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You You'd be great. You'd be great in
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either one. And um, it'd be it'd be
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great. You
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really would be great in either one.
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Thank you. It'd be great. It'd be great
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to get a to get an outsider, someone,
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you know, in into politics. The thing I
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I I worry about is in California, you've
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got ballot harvesting is legal and
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checking someone's voter ID is illegal.
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And I just wonder if the combination of
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those two things makes it impossible for
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someone outside the political machine to
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get elected. What do What do you think?
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Well, you know, it may, David, but I may
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I may give that a try. So, we'll see.
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We'll see if it works. Let me go the way
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it wanted to last time.
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Let me hold on. I got I got to follow up
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on this one. You're I know the people
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who have been having some of these
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conversations with you. There's one camp
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that's pushing you to governor and the
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other camp is pushing you to mayor. How
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do you make that decision? When are you
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going to make that decision? We've got 8
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minutes and 53 seconds left here. Can we
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get it done now?
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Can I get it done in 8 minutes?
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All right, let's start. Mayor, clap.
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Governor. Who wants him to go for mayor?
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And now governor. Governor.
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Wow.
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Whoa.
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Wow.
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You I just want to let you know right
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now, you have the full support of the
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all-in platform for whichever one you
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choose.
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The level of confidence you and I have
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developed a bit of a friendship. We talk
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on text and I every time I go to one of
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your facilities and we talk about the
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detail the detail that you have at the
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Grove Pacific Palisades this incredible
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Monteito property that I got to stay at
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recently.
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That attention to detail
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is what for free nights.
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This is not what he want. This is not
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the attention to
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I want you to talk about where did that
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where did this attention to detail
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the understanding of customers and
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consumers in your private sector life
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where did it come from?
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I love what I do. And if if you go to
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the root of what we do as a company and
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you ask anybody in the company, what is
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your business? Everybody in our company
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is going to say to bring joy and enrich
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people's lives. It sounds corny, but if
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you do that, it gives you a platform in
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business that gives you permission to do
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things that your competitors are not
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allowing themselves to do. It gives you
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permission to build a place called the
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Grove, which you and I talk about, and
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you get to run a trolley through the
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middle of it.
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Is it really that simple? Like, you're
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building a business and you're like, I'm
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just going to enrich the lives of my
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customers and make them happy. And your
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competitors literally don't do that. Are
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they
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My competitor is building an indoor mall
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with no trees or light and an escalator.
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And
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so, you're just shaking your head like,
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how is this how is this even possible?
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Well, don't you want to be in a place
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that feels good, makes you happy? You
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see trees, you have water, you have
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flowers, there's nice music. Nobody's
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feels like the perfect platform
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or or a stadium. So, that's where that
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platform gives you this incredible power
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and authority to go do things. I mean,
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you look at the Rosewood Miramar, our
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resort. We have a full train running
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through it. Everybody stayed away from
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that property. And when I announced
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we're going to build a five-star hotel,
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everybody said, "You're crazy. You got a
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train running through it." We made the
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train an amenity,
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right?
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We built a bar next to it with a bell
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that gets rung when the train comes by
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and people celebrate it.
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Yeah.
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So, that's enriching lives. I I just
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love watching people
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enjoy their life and that's what fuels
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my public service and it's what I really
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enjoyed when I worked for three mayors
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when I worked for Tom Bradley and Dick
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Re and and Jim Han. You can actually
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make changes in public service that
00:17:01
makes people's lives better.
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How great is that?
00:17:04
That's great. People don't know this
00:17:06
widely uh but tomorrow is the 175th
00:17:09
anniversary of the state of California
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and Governor Nuomo uh it's a great state
00:17:14
and um it's an amazing place.
00:17:17
Governor Nuome is giving his state of
00:17:19
the state tomorrow morning. If you were
00:17:21
in that seat, what would you say at the
00:17:23
state of the state tomorrow? What's your
00:17:25
read on the state of the state of
00:17:26
California?
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I think the state of California should
00:17:29
lead the nation in everything that we
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do. I think the state of California
00:17:33
should have the best housing. It should
00:17:35
have the best school system, the lowest
00:17:37
crime rate. We should not have homeless
00:17:39
living on the streets. We should have
00:17:41
opportunities for people to grow a
00:17:43
business, raise their family, feel good
00:17:45
about life, be enriched, and we should
00:17:49
be in the top of every category that you
00:17:53
want to measure quality of life. If if
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you say we're the fourth largest economy
00:17:59
in the world, which our elected
00:18:02
officials say very often, then act like
00:18:06
it. And the people of California should
00:18:08
be benefiting from being the fourth
00:18:10
largest economy in the world.
00:18:11
How would you deal with homeless? You
00:18:13
got these encampments. We're driving
00:18:14
around here downtown LA.
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It had such a renaissance for a short
00:18:18
period of time. It feels like it's
00:18:19
devolved again.
00:18:21
It has. And it just seems to me that
00:18:23
there just should be zero tolerance for
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camping on the street. Yet here we are
00:18:28
again with encampments everywhere. What
00:18:31
would be your approach?
00:18:33
Well, my approach was simple when I ran
00:18:35
is you can't allow encampments on the
00:18:37
street, but you've got to give people
00:18:39
who are on the streets an opportunity to
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have a productive life. So give them the
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services they need, build the housing
00:18:46
that they need. We are spending in the
00:18:50
city of Los Angeles
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$900,000
00:18:56
per person that they're
00:18:58
removing from the streets.
00:19:00
$900,000
00:19:02
per year or
00:19:03
Yeah.
00:19:04
Oh my god.
00:19:05
There's billions and billions of dollars
00:19:07
wasted. redirect that to organizations
00:19:10
that have incredible track records of
00:19:12
being successful in Los Angeles of
00:19:14
housing people, giving them the services
00:19:17
for mental health and drug addiction.
00:19:19
And the first thing you do is you do not
00:19:20
allow the sale of drugs on the street
00:19:22
right now. We do I mean this that's a
00:19:25
crime. It's illegal. Don't allow it.
00:19:27
It is a crime.
00:19:28
Yeah. I
00:19:29
I mean if you look at fentinol, it is
00:19:31
just a different category of drug. We've
00:19:33
seen the president who you don't agree
00:19:35
with everything on, but he's taking a
00:19:37
pretty hardline stance to the point at
00:19:39
which he's activating the military.
00:19:41
Pretty controversial. What's your take
00:19:43
on that?
00:19:44
I think we should actually have secure
00:19:46
borders and shut down the drugs 100%.
00:19:50
Absolutely.
00:19:51
So, in full agreement with the
00:19:52
president?
00:19:53
Yeah. I I don't know how you can say I
00:19:56
want to have a livable society, a
00:19:58
quality of life, allow people to build a
00:20:00
business, raise a family, and then at
00:20:02
the same time, you allow drug dealing to
00:20:03
go on the streets. You just can't do it.
00:20:06
We have an area out here called the
00:20:07
Seulva Basin. I got a call from a
00:20:09
resident yesterday, and this poor
00:20:12
resident that lives out in Enino was
00:20:14
talking about the amount of encampments
00:20:16
in Seulva Basin. And what they have done
00:20:19
now, the homeless, he's telling me, is
00:20:21
they've made these booby traps and
00:20:25
connected homemade bombs to them.
00:20:27
Oh my god.
00:20:28
So when the police of the fire
00:20:29
department try to go in there, this one
00:20:31
firefighter was severely injured, lost
00:20:33
an ear because it hit a trip wire
00:20:36
and he had called the mayor. The mayor
00:20:38
said, "Well, it's very complicated to
00:20:41
try to figure out how to get in there to
00:20:42
clean it up." It's not complicated. You
00:20:44
go in there and clean it up.
00:20:46
Period. Full stop.
00:20:47
Period. full stop. We just got to do
00:20:49
that.
00:20:51
So,
00:20:52
one of the complications here is the
00:20:55
Democrats don't seem to want to clean up
00:20:57
these cities. The president has
00:21:00
checkmated them by saying, "If you don't
00:21:02
clean it up, I'll clean it up." Seems
00:21:04
like a midterm driven approach. What's
00:21:06
your take on the National Guard being
00:21:09
sent into these cities? Because if Karen
00:21:11
Bass won't clean it up, if JB Pritsker
00:21:13
won't clean it up, is there an argument
00:21:15
for the president to send the National
00:21:18
Guard, it seems like overreach in one
00:21:20
way, but we're sitting here talking
00:21:22
about absolute incompetence and a
00:21:24
refusal to deal with this issue. The
00:21:26
people who are affected by it are like,
00:21:28
"Yeah, send the National Guard in if
00:21:30
that's what it takes." What's your take?
00:21:32
Well, my take on it is sending in the
00:21:34
National Guard in Washington DC is a
00:21:36
very different situation than sending
00:21:38
the National Guard into LA or Chicago
00:21:41
because Washington DC is a federal
00:21:43
territory. So, that's different. What I
00:21:47
think should be done is we should hold
00:21:49
our elected officials accountable to
00:21:51
have a police department that's fully
00:21:53
engaged and given the authority to
00:21:55
enforce the laws. And we're not doing
00:21:58
that. You're not backing They're not
00:21:59
backing up the cops.
00:22:02
They are not backing up the cops. The
00:22:03
cops are not allowed to clean up the
00:22:05
streets. The cops are not allowed to
00:22:07
hold people accountable for selling drug
00:22:09
on the streets. There's a whole bunch of
00:22:11
protocols in the city of Los Angeles
00:22:13
that do not allow the cops to do their
00:22:15
job. The any kind of federal
00:22:18
interference, I think, should be the
00:22:20
very very last resort. So, I don't
00:22:22
support that. I don't support it. But I
00:22:25
do support a fully engaged leadership
00:22:28
system that require that the laws be
00:22:31
enforced and give police the opportunity
00:22:35
and not only that demand that they
00:22:38
enforce the law.
00:22:39
Ladies and gentlemen, the next governor
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and mayor
00:22:43
of California, Los Angeles, Rick Russo.
00:22:47
Thank you. That was fantastic.
00:22:49
Great. Thank you very much. That was
00:22:50
great.
00:22:52
My gosh. Appreciate you, brother.

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Episode Highlights

  • Rick Caruso's Vision for LA
    Caruso emphasizes that running a city should be like running a business for the residents' benefit.
    “Competency would have running this city is running a business for the benefit of the residents.”
    @ 00m 11s
    October 01, 2025
  • The Tragedy of LA Fires
    Caruso reflects on the tragic fires and the preventable nature of the damage caused.
    “I was convinced nine months ago. I'm more convinced today that fire was completely preventable.”
    @ 07m 14s
    October 01, 2025
  • Call for Active Citizenship
    Caruso urges citizens to engage in politics and hold elected officials accountable.
    “Get out and vote. We need more people active.”
    @ 09m 42s
    October 01, 2025
  • National Guard Controversy
    The discussion centers around sending the National Guard to cities struggling with crime and homelessness.
    “If Karen Bass won't clean it up, is there an argument for the president to send the National Guard?”
    @ 21m 11s
    October 01, 2025
  • Accountability for Police
    The need for elected officials to support police in enforcing laws is emphasized.
    “They are not backing up the cops. The cops are not allowed to clean up the streets.”
    @ 22m 03s
    October 01, 2025
  • Rick Russo's Vision
    Rick Russo is presented as a candidate for governor and mayor of California, promising change.
    “Ladies and gentlemen, the next governor and mayor of California, Los Angeles, Rick Russo.”
    @ 22m 41s
    October 01, 2025

Episode Quotes

Key Moments

  • Incompetence in Leadership05:39
  • Hope for Change08:34
  • Seulva Basin Issues20:06
  • Homeless Encampments20:14
  • Booby Traps20:21
  • Police Accountability21:51
  • Leadership Call22:28
  • Candidate Announcement22:41

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