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Adam, great to meet you. Thanks for
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being here on the podcast. Yeah, this is
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awesome for me. I'm a big fan. I grew up
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in LA.
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>> I listened to Loveline on K-Rock as a
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teenager pre- internet, like before the
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internet really took off. So, the
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content you and Dr. Drew put out on
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Loveline on drugs, sex, human
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psychology, this was stuff that didn't
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exist in our everyday lives and the
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discourse that you guys had. It was
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really kind of expansive for folks, at
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least in my cohort growing up in LA. We
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learned a lot. So, I want to thank you
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for that. I think you've pioneered an
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important corner of the world of content
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and media for a long time. So, thanks
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for that. You you've you've lived in LA
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for a long time, right?
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>> Yeah. Whole life. And so, you know, we
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thought this would be a great
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conversation to have on the one-year
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anniversary of the Palisades fire
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because we know that you've been an
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outspoken voice on the actions and the
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reactions to the Palisades fire. And
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while we're talking, we can also talk
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broadly about LA, about California,
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about the US, and where things are
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>> Let's just do a quick recap. So, you
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know, the Palisades fire a year ago
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destroyed 6,837
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structures, including about 5,000 homes,
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and as of November 2025, only one home
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has been rebuilt. Can you just give us
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your view on what's gone on since the
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fire? Why has this been such a slow
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process, and why have all of the
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promises that were made in the days and
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weeks after the fire
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forgotten about? Well, I'm uniquely
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qualified to address this subject
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because I live in Malibu and I was
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physically there on Sunset the morning
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the fire started. I literally walked out
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of the Equinox gym and I looked up
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Sunset Boulevard up into the mountains
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and I saw smoke. It was at 9:45 in the
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morning. I was like live there, was
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evacuated that night, but also have a
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background in construction, uh,
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building, permitting the city,
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regulation, that kind of stuff. So, it's
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it's a subject that I'm pretty
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passionate about. Um, and I I think it
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leads into a bigger conversation about
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Los Angeles and California and how come
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there's no affordable housing and how
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come when they build homeless units that
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are 400 square ft, they're $900,000 a
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unit and so on and so forth. So, it
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would be nice to use this as sort of a
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stepping stone to that conversation.
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Um, I've lived in California my whole
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life and I was in construction my whole
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life. Um, then when I got into show
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business later,
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all I did was use the show business
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money to fund more building projects.
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So, I never got away from being on a job
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site. It just happened to be my own home
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versus other people's homes. And of
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course, as an owner, builder was always
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having to deal with permits in the city
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and so forth. Um, I always knew it was
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super cumbersome and super expensive and
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actually did more harm than good. It it
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dissuaded a lot of people from building.
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A lot of people went, I don't want to
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deal with the city. I don't want to, you
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know, when you talk to fast food
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franchises, they'll go, I'll open a
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store in any city, but I'm not going to
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do Los Angeles. It's too much. and and
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it it becomes
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too much work. And so then either people
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bootleg things or they don't start their
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project at all because if you go through
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the normal channels which is engineering
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and then plan check and permitting and
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and approvals and all that it's not only
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really expensive but it's super time
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consuming and it basically
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convinces you to scrub the project. I
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was friends with Suzanne Summers and her
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husband Allan Hamill and they live I
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mean I'm still friends with Allan
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obviously Susan passed recently and
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they're a great couple and they love
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Malibu and um they used to come out and
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stay at the Malibu Inn and go out to
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dinner with me and uh they I they live
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in Palm Springs and I said uh well you
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love Malibu so much I don't get why you
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don't live in Malibu and they said oh we
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lived in Malibu, but a fire came in and
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took the house down. That was probably
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20 years ago.
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>> And then when we wanted to rebuild, the
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Coastal Commission was so burdensome and
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there was so much regulation.
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And you know, these are people in their
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early ' 70s, late60s. They they don't
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have 11 years to rebuild a house.
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They're they're in the twilight part.
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They're in the they're in the retirement
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years. At a certain point, Allan Hamill
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just said, "I couldn't deal with the
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Coastal Commission anymore. It's his
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property." He just wanted to rebuild a
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slightly different structure. You know,
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some talk about a carport and whether he
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needed closed parking, whatever.
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Eventually, they just packed up and they
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went to Palm Springs and they built a
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house there. So, that's essentially what
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it does. It dissuades a lot of people
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from rebuilding.
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I uh was displaced in the wee hours of
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the fire that night. Probably I found
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myself at two probably probably 4:00
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a.m. just d walking into a random hotel
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in Burbank, California and trying to
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check in at 4 in the morning. I always
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remember it because the person behind
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the desk wasn't there and I asked the
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guy was buffing the floor and they said,
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"She's at lunch." I thought it's 4 in
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the morning, meaning she's in the back
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room eating a sandwich, but you can wait
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a half hour. Anyway, we got checked in
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and the following morning,
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uh, I got up to come back to the studio,
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but the power was out. The wind had
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broken the telephone poles in my Burbank
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studio, and so the power was all out.
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So, I said, "Well, should we run a best
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of or something, or should I just let's
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just sit down here in the hotel room?
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I'm gonna pull move this table, move
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that chair, and I'll just do an
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emergency broadcast from the hotel room.
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And in that broadcast
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pro the following morning after the
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fire, I said, "Do not expect any
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rebuilding. You guys have no idea what
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the permitting process is. You have no
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idea how much red tape there is in
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regulation. Oh, they're going to talk
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some kind of story about expediting
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things and making things easier and
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faster and so on and so forth." It is
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not going to happen. This is Los
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Angeles. Karen Bass is the mayor. There
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will be nothing rebuilt. I guarantee you
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that. Good luck pulling a permit. And
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then, by the way, all you asses that
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vote Democrat every year, when you don't
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get your permit, maybe you should think
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about a different direction politically.
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And that's what I said 8 hours after the
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fire and it's been a year. And there's
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I'm in Malibu. There's nothing rebuilt
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in Malibu.
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>> Can you just help diagnose the source of
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the problem? Is it cronyism, corruption
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by some sort of, you know, union or
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labor group or contractors that are
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trying to up the cost of things? Is it
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an incompetency or is there a good
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motivation to save the planet and save
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the environment and slow things down? I
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mean, what is what is behind the
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overregulation and the red tape, which
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is not just inherent in LA? It's
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obviously a California problem and
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across the United States. I've got my
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view on this. I'd love to hear your view
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on where this is coming from. What's the
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origin of this?
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>> I don't think any of it is connected to
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unions or builders or contractors or
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engineers or any of that. I don't think
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they want any of it. I' I live in that
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world. I talk to these people, they roll
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their eyes, they hate it. It makes their
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job that much harder. So, I don't think
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it's a sort of New York mafia, we'll
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handle the garbage kind of situation.
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This is what I'm starting to learn is
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basically what people are calling
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gynofascism, which is way too many women
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in positions of power with an eye on
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safety. And it's safety Uber Alice. And
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the second thing is environment Uber
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Alice. And everything they do is under
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the umbrella of safety. and they think
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and they get a lot of applause and accul
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accolades for for making things safer,
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but what they don't realize is they
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grind things to a halt. So, you know,
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shutting schools down for CO may be the
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safest thing to do, but you damage kids.
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You cause a lot of collateral damage and
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it was never dangerous to healthy young
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kids in the first place. And you should
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have approached it much differently. But
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what did you do? You said, "Shut the
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schools. shut the churches, shut the
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small businesses, mask up. You want full
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safety. And Barbara Ferrer, who's in
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charge of this, and and then there was
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there was Mayor Bass, although at the
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time it was uh Mayor Pete, I I'll think
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of his name in a second. The guy got
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shipped off to India, but mostly female
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city council who never stopped talking
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about safety. And yeah, it was Garcetti.
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>> Garcetti. Yeah. when they they hide
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behind the shield of safety because it
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makes them sound noble, but it's
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essentially like saying, "Look, wouldn't
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your car be safer if it had a full
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NASCAR style roll cage in it?" And you
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go, "I guess." And what about a fire
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suppression system? Okay. And then how
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about a fuel cell with a bladder in it
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that had ballistic material in it versus
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a gas tank? Don't you think that'd be
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safe? Yeah, but the Prius is going to be
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$150,000 and no one can afford one now.
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>> Yeah, but it'd be safe. So, they hide
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behind this safety BS. It's mostly women
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who buy into it just like we scared the
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moms during co and then they make all
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the rules and the rules are always more
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and it's always safer and ba and also
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people sort of go along with it like
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they go look if a queson is 10 feet deep
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into the ground with number four rebar
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wouldn't it be safer to have it be 20
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feet in the ground with number six
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rebar? And it's like it would be but you
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just added 70% to the cost of the case
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and they that's how they think
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>> because their job the job of that
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individual sitting in that role whether
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it's a local state or federal government
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agency
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is to increase safety. Their job is not
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to think about the second and third
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order effects on the economy, on the
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affordability, on the ability to move
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quickly, on all the other factors that
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the individual citizen and the
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businesses in the community then have to
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deal with. That's never what they're
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tasked with. They have a very kind of
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simple uniform statement, which is, hey,
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make things safe. You're the regulatory
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body that oversees safety and oversees
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that we're not going to have a fire.
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This is sort of like, you know, I don't
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know if you followed this autonomous
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vehicle um stuff in California, but you
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know, for every million miles,
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autonomous vehicles reduce fatalities by
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like 95%.
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But if there's one autonomous vehicle
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that crashes once, everyone shuts that
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entire program down and says, "Wait a
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second, we've got robots killing people.
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We can't let that happen. We have to
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stop robots from killing people." versus
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looking at the second order and third
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order effects which is significant
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reduction in overall fatalities,
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improvement in safety and so on. And
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that seems to be the organizational
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problem, right?
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>> Well, it's like when you have these
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fools like Bill Delasio saying, you
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know, if one person dies, that's one
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person too many. You know, whenever you
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hear that, you have to go, this person's
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a dope, and they shouldn't be in a
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leadership position because you can't be
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in a leadership position. You can't be a
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general in the army and you can't be the
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mayor of a town and announce if one
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person died. By the way, eight people
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died of fentanyl on the street in the
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time it took you to make that one
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pompous statement. So shut up and start
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being practical.
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>> Totally. I saw this in San Francisco
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when they gave away needles and then
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they created this sort of safe space for
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people to do fentinel and do drugs and
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shoot up by giving them free needles and
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saying you can do it here. So they could
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reduce the transmission of HIV and other
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diseases that are transmitted via
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needle. And it's like, well, what
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percentage of people do you think are
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now going to have a higher proclivity to
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do fentinel and do these drugs that's
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going to create so many more fatalities
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than the HIV ever would have? It's just
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very thoughtless in the overall view.
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And I do remember when the COVID
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pandemic first began in one of the first
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episodes we did of this show, I
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specifically talked about the lack of
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leadership in being able to synthesize
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multiple data streams, which is what a
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leader's job is, is to see the whole
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field and to make a decision on how do
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we win the game or how do we win the war
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versus listen to the one person that's
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the safety commissioner that says this
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is how you save lives. But thinking
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through the second and third order
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effects of what would happen to kids if
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you kept them out of school for six
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months, what would happen to the economy
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if you shut down in businesses and the
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the lack of synthesis, the lack of true
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leadership in these institutions is what
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makes things so difficult.
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>> Well, also the corruption of being in
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the pockets of the school board union
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and the teachers union. I mean, first
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off, they hire some dumb witch named
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Barbara Ferrer, who's not even a doctor,
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and she just makes the declaration to
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shut everything down because that's the
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safest thing. And then the school
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teachers who aren't heroes and don't
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feel like working decide they'd rather
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work from home than get dressed and
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going to school. And then they just tell
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Gavin Newsome, who they funnel their
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money to and get elected every year, do
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our bidding. And he's a coward. And so
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he does that and then at some point
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Relle Winsky of the CDC announces they
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should open schools, but that gets shut
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down really quickly by the school unions
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and then she announces that she was not
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speaking officially. That was just sort
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of her opinion off the record and you
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have a whole bunch of people controlled
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by teachers unions.
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>> Yeah. Well, so is there a solution?
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Well, first off, teachers unions and any
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unions shouldn't be in charge of
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electing people. They should be out of
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it completely.
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>> They shouldn't be able to give money to
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candidates is what you're saying.
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>> No, but by the way, the LA Times
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shouldn't announce an endorsement every
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year because now I don't believe you
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when you write the crappy article about
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the guy you didn't endorse and you write
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the glowing article about Camala Harris.
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You've made a fool of yourself by
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announcing what what it's it's like a
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it's like an umpire at a baseball game
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endorsing
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the LA
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the Dodgers, right? Don't make an
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announcement. Call balls and strikes.
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You know, New York Times, LA Times, call
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balls and strikes. Don't announce you're
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for the Diamondbacks.
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>> Right. Right. Before we get back to the
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unions, I just want to hit on this point
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on media. Why has media gone this way?
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is has this become this bias a reaction
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to technology? You know, I've got this
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view that it used to be that the media,
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the newspapers, the radio, the
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television stations and networks
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controlled access to information because
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they were the aggregators of information
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and then disseminators of that
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information to the population. When the
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internet came along, suddenly all of the
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information, pure data, just reporting
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became ubiquitous. You know, we see this
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all over the place. The weather is you
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can just look it up. You don't need to
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go to a news station to get the weather.
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You don't need to go to the news station
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to get the sports scores. You don't need
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to go to the news station to get all the
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events and happenings in the world. So,
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newspapers, magazines, television
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stations, networks had to become
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something else. Is that what happened?
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Did they evolve, do you think, in
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reaction to the internet?
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>> I think there's some of that. I think
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there's a here is the way I've sused it
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out and it'll be the next sort of
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subject that I think people will be
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talking about coming up. I brought up
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gynofascism earlier. So
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men and women are different and we don't
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seem to want to acknowledge that but but
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we are and the newsrooms were you know a
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very short period of time ago 15 20
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years ago it would be 12% female or the
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or the news outlets or CBS NBC you know
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New York Times whatever had a minority
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of women college campuses you know when
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they bring all the presidents of these
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colleges up in front of Congress,
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they're all women. It's not like they
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went, "We need to talk to only women
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presidents of prestigious colleges." We
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just go, "Give me the presidents." And
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every time there's a presser, I think
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this just uh happened at Brown with the
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shooting that it it happened in Congress
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with Harvard and so on and so forth.
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It's all it's all women in these
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positions. Now,
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women aren't flawed and there's nothing
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wrong with them. But if you said this,
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if you said, "My son is going to play a
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little league game and we need an umpire
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and my son's going to be pitching." Who
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do you think could call balls and
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strikes with less emotion? The father or
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the the mother? And I think it's kind of
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understood that the mother would be
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protecting her son and might call a
00:18:25
couple of balls that went into the dirt
00:18:27
a strike. So they're just more likely to
00:18:32
pick a side, team up, and then root for.
00:18:36
So if you have now
00:18:40
57% women running the colleges or 57% of
00:18:45
the women at the New York Times or the
00:18:47
LA Times, well then they're going to
00:18:49
sort of pick a side and they're going to
00:18:52
say we like Joe Biden and we hate Donald
00:18:55
Trump. And then what kind of articles
00:18:58
are we going to print? Well, those are
00:19:00
the articles we're going to get print.
00:19:01
And when Senator Cotton wants to come up
00:19:04
with an op-ed about uh bringing the
00:19:07
National Guard in to stop Black
00:19:10
Lives Matter riders or whatever it is,
00:19:12
Antifa writers, uh we'll just all get
00:19:16
together and get the editor fire fired
00:19:19
and and we'll we'll take over that way.
00:19:21
So, it's it's much more of an emotional
00:19:24
process. And and by the way, that's why
00:19:26
they're better at being moms because,
00:19:29
you know, you're saying to your son,
00:19:30
"Rub some dirt on it. You'll be fine."
00:19:32
And she's, "Oh, come here. Oh, let me,
00:19:34
you know, let me take care of you."
00:19:35
That's what happened with CO, by the
00:19:37
way. They got all the moms, they pitch
00:19:40
it all to the moms. They get the mom's
00:19:42
heads polluted with all the nonsense and
00:19:45
then their moms
00:19:47
make
00:19:49
they call the shots at the house. So,
00:19:52
you come home.
00:19:54
>> Same with vaccines. Same with organic
00:19:56
food movements. You know, the market, by
00:19:58
the way, it this is an actual fact that
00:20:00
the marketing campaigns around all of
00:20:03
those categories are directed
00:20:05
specifically at moms. Yeah.
00:20:07
>> Because that's where you're ultimately
00:20:08
going to drive the action.
00:20:09
>> My kids were, I don't know, 14. My son
00:20:13
was 14 when he got vaccinated. I didn't
00:20:15
want him to get vaccinated. He was a
00:20:17
healthy young guy with no pre-existing
00:20:20
conditions. My wife took him to get
00:20:22
vaccinated cuz she's watching the TV.
00:20:25
I'm out at work. That's what's
00:20:28
happening. So if you want to know what's
00:20:29
happening in the LA city council or you
00:20:32
or the LA Times or the New York Time. So
00:20:35
mainstream media
00:20:38
got an influx of estrogen and now
00:20:41
there's many more women and then you
00:20:43
have Leslie Stall sitting in front of
00:20:45
Donald Trump going sir sir sir no one
00:20:48
can prove the Hunter Biden lap sir no
00:20:51
one can prove well what is she doing
00:20:53
she's not being a reporter at that point
00:20:55
a reporter would say do you have some
00:20:58
evidence of the authenticity of Hunter
00:21:00
Biden's laptop I'm all ears what do you
00:21:02
what do you got they wouldn't be going,
00:21:04
"Sir, sir, sir." That's a woman arguing
00:21:07
with someone she hates.
00:21:09
>> What do you think Megan Kelly and Barry
00:21:11
Weiss would say to your take?
00:21:13
>> Oh, I uh Oh, and and I'm very friendly
00:21:17
with both of them. I just did Barry's
00:21:20
show in Austin
00:21:23
uh se a couple months ago, and I did
00:21:25
Megan's show outside of uh Atlanta
00:21:29
several weeks ago. And I'll I'll I'll go
00:21:32
on a limb and say that they both adore
00:21:34
me and I adore them as well. Um, now
00:21:38
here's here's the the caveat,
00:21:40
>> right?
00:21:41
>> When you when you when you cast a
00:21:43
>> Yes.
00:21:44
>> a gender
00:21:45
>> Yes.
00:21:46
>> assessment like that, wide net like
00:21:48
that,
00:21:49
>> the exceptions obviously discredit the
00:21:51
the the rule that you're stating, but
00:21:53
are you saying that they're exceptions
00:21:54
in the sense or
00:21:55
>> Oh, yes. Megan Kelly has the brain of a
00:22:00
cage fighter.
00:22:01
>> Yeah.
00:22:02
>> Like she is more masculine than any dude
00:22:05
I know in how she thinks. Uh, of course
00:22:08
there's Margaret Thatcher. Margaret
00:22:11
Thatcher. And there there there many
00:22:13
women historically and currently, you
00:22:15
just brought up two of them who don't
00:22:18
have that issue. And there, by the way,
00:22:21
there's Gavin Newsome who crosses his
00:22:24
legs like he's trying to dislocate his
00:22:27
hip. That guy thinks like a woman. So
00:22:30
there they're sort of there sort of both
00:22:33
sides, you know what I mean? That can
00:22:35
they can work both ways. It's not
00:22:38
>> it there's plenty of men who have that
00:22:40
thinking process and then there's women
00:22:42
who think the other way. It's basically
00:22:44
>> So it's not biological per se. Not per
00:22:47
se, but it but in general, if you just
00:22:50
said, "Look,
00:22:52
if you did my thought experiment, the
00:22:55
mom has their 10-year-old son pitching a
00:22:57
little league game. Could she call a
00:22:59
game as if it was someone else's son on
00:23:02
that mound?" The answer is, I don't
00:23:04
really think so. In general, Megan Kelly
00:23:07
could.
00:23:09
I think she could,
00:23:11
but I don't think I don't think most
00:23:13
moms could. Could most dads? Yes, most
00:23:18
dads could, but not all of them. Gavin
00:23:21
Newsome couldn't. See what I'm saying?
00:23:23
Barry Barry Weiss could.
00:23:25
>> So, it's it's it's one of those. But
00:23:27
when you take the newsroom and you go
00:23:30
from 12% to 57%
00:23:34
and every one of you hates Trump with a
00:23:37
with a blind rage, then what kind of
00:23:40
articles are going to come out of your
00:23:42
publication? Oh, he was pissing on the
00:23:44
grave of the unknown soldier. Didn't we
00:23:47
we an you know u uh an anonymous source
00:23:51
says you know it's going to corrupt that
00:23:53
and then you're going to get
00:23:54
inaccuracies and then you're going to
00:23:56
get burned and that's what happened to
00:23:59
them and they just they discredited
00:24:01
themselves.
00:24:01
>> There was there there was a recent
00:24:03
article it was a long form essay the guy
00:24:07
that's a writer and he couldn't get a
00:24:08
job
00:24:09
>> and he you know and everyone in
00:24:11
Hollywood wouldn't hire him. Jacob
00:24:12
Savage. Is this part of the evolution of
00:24:17
woke ideologies as they're called and
00:24:20
that the permeation of those ideologies
00:24:23
into media institutions seems to be a
00:24:26
big part of the driver? Like is that
00:24:28
where this is coming from? A lot of it,
00:24:30
a lot of it is is that it's a sort of
00:24:33
pie in the sky sort of, you know, if you
00:24:36
want to break down feminine versus male.
00:24:39
You get Trump who thinks like five dudes
00:24:42
and he's a builder, a commercial
00:24:44
builder, and I'll circle back and answer
00:24:46
this. And then you get Karen Bass who's
00:24:50
steeped in the chick dank and very into
00:24:52
the gyascism world and she's a
00:24:55
procedural person. She never builds
00:24:56
anything or does anything. Then you have
00:24:59
these two come together a year ago after
00:25:02
the fire and Trump's chomping at the
00:25:06
bit. He's going, "People should be
00:25:07
cleaning and clearing their own parcels
00:25:09
tonight. They should be doing it right
00:25:11
now. Let them back in. Let them back in.
00:25:13
Let them." And then you have her going,
00:25:15
"So what? But safely, but safely. But
00:25:18
safely." So she's talking about safety.
00:25:20
He's talking about speed. He wants the
00:25:23
project done. She wants it done safely.
00:25:26
and she's going to regulate it to the
00:25:28
point where it can't be done in in any
00:25:32
kind of timely manner. So her thought is
00:25:35
process safety safety process. Her his
00:25:38
is damn the torpedoes and then he leaves
00:25:42
and they feed him a bunch of crap about
00:25:45
oh yeah we're going to expedite
00:25:46
everything and a year later there's
00:25:48
nothing because they don't care and it's
00:25:50
not what they're it's not what they want
00:25:52
to do and it's not what they're
00:25:53
interested in. process safety people.
00:25:56
She wants to be in Ghana dancing is what
00:25:59
is where she wants to be wearing
00:26:00
ceremonial headgar.
00:26:02
>> All right. So,
00:26:04
as far as your question
00:26:07
about um
00:26:09
news Oh. Oh, about the the woke the woke
00:26:12
world. Look. Okay. Here's what's
00:26:13
happening with that and the story you
00:26:16
referenced about the white writer who
00:26:18
can't get onto the writing staff. And I
00:26:20
I live in Hollywood. I understand those
00:26:22
people. I I can't tell you the amount of
00:26:24
times guys had projects and stuff and
00:26:27
just went, "Well, it's not going
00:26:28
anywhere cuz I'm middle-aged white guy."
00:26:30
By the way, I also know guys who run
00:26:34
writer rooms for successful sitcoms that
00:26:39
a few years ago were forced like, "Hey,
00:26:41
you don't have any young Latina women on
00:26:43
this on on your writing staff." And they
00:26:46
go, "Well, no young Latina women are
00:26:48
they've not submitted anything funny. We
00:26:50
got old Jews here." and they go, "Well,
00:26:53
you better hire a couple of young
00:26:54
Latinas to get and then the guys just
00:26:57
babysit them for six months where they
00:26:59
don't get anything on the air. They just
00:27:01
get paid and they'll tell me. They'll
00:27:03
just go, "Yeah, she's not funny. She
00:27:05
shouldn't be here. I wish she did get
00:27:08
stuff on the air, but her stuff's not
00:27:09
any good." So now you've take your
00:27:12
writing staff of 10, but you really only
00:27:14
have eight because you hired two or
00:27:16
three people that were not qualified to
00:27:18
be there. So, here's what I'm saying.
00:27:23
In this neverending quest to help people
00:27:27
of color and women and the LGBT
00:27:30
community and have everyone have a seat
00:27:32
at the table because we live in a
00:27:35
society that's systemically racist.
00:27:39
How long?
00:27:41
I know when you make the decree, you go,
00:27:44
"We're looking to help young people and
00:27:48
women of color and the LGBT,"
00:27:51
but at a certain point,
00:27:54
you can say you're a huge Steelers fan,
00:27:56
but at some point you have to hate the
00:27:59
Ravens. You can't just go, "I love the
00:28:02
Steelers and I have no thoughts about
00:28:04
the Ravens." You hate the Ravens.
00:28:06
They're your arch nemesis. they could
00:28:08
beat your Steelers. So basically, you
00:28:11
can't just help people of color without
00:28:14
a certain point hurting white males who
00:28:17
are the Ravens essentially in this
00:28:20
equation. It's not going to work. You
00:28:21
have to go, well, shouldn't UCLA be open
00:28:25
to more people of color? And you go,
00:28:27
okay, all right, but there's not a
00:28:30
infinite amount of space at UCLA. It's
00:28:32
finite. So eventually we're going to
00:28:34
have to toss a couple of Asians out who
00:28:36
had higher test scores to make room for
00:28:38
the people you want on campus. So no,
00:28:41
there is no just helping one group.
00:28:44
There has to be a couple of funny
00:28:46
middle-aged white guys who aren't
00:28:48
employed because you made room for the
00:28:50
Latina checks.
00:28:51
>> So favoring one group, just to
00:28:53
summarize, always has discrimination
00:28:55
against another group if you have a
00:28:57
limited set of spots, right? Yeah. Look,
00:29:00
it could be,
00:29:03
look, it could be a lifeboat on the
00:29:06
Titanic and then you just go women and
00:29:08
children first. All right. Well, sorry
00:29:10
middle-aged white guy, you're out.
00:29:12
>> So, have you seen this in Hollywood? And
00:29:15
maybe just to come back to the the
00:29:17
conversation we were having a minute
00:29:18
ago, have you seen this in Hollywood in
00:29:21
both the writer rooms, but also director
00:29:24
suites, in production houses? The
00:29:27
Academy of Motion Picture Arts and
00:29:28
Sciences in 2021 passed their inclusion
00:29:31
rules that in order to be eligible for
00:29:33
an Oscar, there are now rules around the
00:29:37
race, the ethnicity, the sexual
00:29:39
orientation,
00:29:42
or the disability of individuals in
00:29:45
every role in order for you to be
00:29:47
qualified for an Oscar for that role. As
00:29:50
all of these rules and systems have
00:29:52
rolled out in Hollywood, has that
00:29:54
changed the culture of America? Because
00:29:56
Hollywood creates a lot of culture.
00:29:59
>> Well, it damages the product, that's for
00:30:02
sure. Because,
00:30:04
you know, if you're looking for a
00:30:06
meritocracy
00:30:08
and if you said, "All right, the Super
00:30:12
Bowl's here," and it turns out all 11
00:30:14
players on the defensive side of the
00:30:16
ball are black. and someone goes, "There
00:30:18
needs to be a Jew in there and there
00:30:20
needs to be a couple of women and a few
00:30:22
Asians." It's going to hurt. It's It's
00:30:25
going to hurt the level of play. So, of
00:30:29
course,
00:30:31
all the DEI DEI hires will hurt because
00:30:36
Camala Harris is a DEI hire. Now, you
00:30:38
go, "Well, Adam, what are you talking
00:30:40
about?" Look, Joe Biden said it. He
00:30:43
said, "I'm I want a woman of color." All
00:30:45
right. So whether it's the fire chief or
00:30:49
whether it's the vice president of the
00:30:52
United States, if you're going to limit
00:30:53
your pool to women of color, there's
00:30:57
going to be a lot. It could be fire
00:30:59
chiefs, it could be vice presidents, and
00:31:01
it could be airline pilots. Either way,
00:31:03
if you're going to limit that pool or
00:31:06
guys who put on stucco, either way,
00:31:09
you're going to if you limit your pool
00:31:11
of roofers to women of color, you're
00:31:13
going to have a hard time finding a
00:31:15
qualified roofer and you're going to
00:31:16
have to wait a while. So, you the
00:31:18
product is going to suffer. Number one.
00:31:22
Number two,
00:31:24
the pro the part where you kind of grow
00:31:27
up and see people who look like you
00:31:30
being James Bond or being the president
00:31:33
of the United States and that kind of
00:31:35
stuff. I would say
00:31:38
40 years ago was a pretty noble pursuit.
00:31:42
I don't think it's necessary today. All
00:31:46
the race hustlers act like it's 1959.
00:31:49
They never admit that we, you know, we
00:31:52
had a black president for two terms. And
00:31:54
the most
00:31:56
celebrated people in our society, I
00:31:58
don't know if it's Oprah or LeBron James
00:32:00
or Michelle Obama, they they love women.
00:32:04
They love people of color. Like, you
00:32:06
know, every white kid grows up wanting
00:32:09
to be Michael Jordan. You know, it we're
00:32:11
sort of past that point. Do you think
00:32:15
that
00:32:16
this is like what is now going to be the
00:32:19
core driver of politics in this next
00:32:21
cycle? We're going into a pretty crazy
00:32:22
2026.
00:32:24
There's this big rise in socialism.
00:32:28
The reactionary side is that there's
00:32:30
this insane fraud that seems to have
00:32:33
taken place in Minnesota that a lot of
00:32:35
people are saying is just the tip of the
00:32:36
iceberg. Is this going to end up
00:32:37
becoming the pivot year or two years
00:32:41
where politics is really going to end up
00:32:43
being where this plays out and where
00:32:44
America decides what this next evolution
00:32:48
is going to look like?
00:32:49
>> Yeah, I I think so. I think um Dr. Drew
00:32:54
would always come to me
00:32:56
and he would say, "You know what's
00:32:58
coming around the corner. You're the
00:33:00
guy. You're the prognosticator. You're
00:33:02
the Indian with his ear down to the
00:33:04
ground. Who knows which way the wagons
00:33:06
are coming? And he would say to me,
00:33:08
"What's next? What's what's next?" And
00:33:11
so I I said to him, this is about 8
00:33:14
years ago, maybe 10 years ago, and I
00:33:16
said, "I I don't know." And he said,
00:33:18
"No, you know, think about it." And I
00:33:20
said, "All right, what's next is going
00:33:23
to be safe spaces and octagons." And he
00:33:26
said, "What does that mean?" And I said,
00:33:28
"All the people that are tired of living
00:33:31
in a nanny state, being told, we're
00:33:33
going to get rid of your internal
00:33:34
combustion engine and replace it with an
00:33:37
electric car and all that kind of
00:33:38
stuff." They're just going to they're
00:33:40
going to selfsegregate. They're going to
00:33:42
move to Florida. They're going to move
00:33:43
to Texas. They're going to move to
00:33:45
Tennessee. And then all the safe space
00:33:49
people are going to end up in Portland,
00:33:51
Oregon, and Seattle, Washington, and Los
00:33:53
Angeles, and stuff. And eventually the
00:33:55
safe space places are going to fall
00:33:57
apart and the octagons are going to
00:34:00
thrive. It was funny because I'd been
00:34:02
saying this to him for years and then
00:34:04
several months ago Trump announced he
00:34:06
was putting an octagon on at the White
00:34:09
House and Drew started yelling. He's
00:34:11
like literally happening the octagon
00:34:14
people and the safe spaces people. So
00:34:17
now
00:34:19
the safe spaces don't work. That's the
00:34:22
clean needles and the no judgment
00:34:24
injection zones and that that all that
00:34:27
pie in the sky doesn't work at all. It
00:34:30
it'd be nice if it did work, but it
00:34:33
doesn't work the second you start
00:34:36
handing out free food and free money
00:34:39
for, you know, welfare, disability,
00:34:41
where it'll all get corrupted
00:34:43
immediately. It's it's human nature. You
00:34:46
know what you know what human nature is?
00:34:48
Dogs at the airport.
00:34:51
I never saw a dog at the airport ever.
00:34:54
And then 15 years ago, I saw a dog a dog
00:34:57
at the airport and I said, "What's that
00:34:59
dog doing at the airport?" "Well, that's
00:35:00
a service dog." And I said, "Well,
00:35:02
that's a poodle and it's on a 20ft
00:35:04
leash." "No, that's a that's a ser and
00:35:06
it's got a bedazzled collar." "No,
00:35:08
that's a service dog." I said, "Okay,
00:35:11
what happened?" Somebody said, "Look,
00:35:14
we're on the honor system. You get a
00:35:16
note from your doctor saying you need
00:35:17
your service dog. you can travel with
00:35:19
your dog for free. And then 10 minutes
00:35:22
went by and the airport looked like a
00:35:24
kennel because people are weak and they
00:35:27
will take advantage of whatever system
00:35:29
they can take advantage of. And if
00:35:31
you're going to start handing out money
00:35:32
to daycare centers, they're going to
00:35:35
catch on real fast, especially if they
00:35:37
come from a place that's corrupt where
00:35:40
this is not really frowned upon. It's
00:35:43
sort of business.
00:35:44
>> Piracy is pretty good business over
00:35:45
there. It's like they exported pirates.
00:35:47
>> Right. Right. They should have sent him
00:35:49
to Pittsburgh. But
00:35:52
thank you. The point is is what what do
00:35:55
you think is going to happen when you
00:35:57
take this culture, you put it in a
00:35:58
place, and then you announce there's
00:36:00
sort of free money floating around and
00:36:02
there's not going to be a lot of checks
00:36:04
and balances. Well, then this is going
00:36:07
to happen. It's it's it's it it couldn't
00:36:11
go any other way. And it's going to
00:36:12
happen everywhere.
00:36:14
>> Okay. So is your prognostication at this
00:36:17
point,
00:36:18
you know, there's the old adage that
00:36:20
hard times make hard people, hard people
00:36:23
make easy times, easy times make soft
00:36:26
people, and then soft people make hard
00:36:27
times again,
00:36:28
>> right? And is the United States going
00:36:31
through this era where the easy times,
00:36:34
the economic success, the growth of the
00:36:36
economy, the extraordinary expansion of
00:36:39
wealth in this country has now gotten to
00:36:42
the point that it's broken. We've become
00:36:45
call it too soft and too oriented around
00:36:47
safety over growth around protectionism
00:36:51
over expansionism where all of this has
00:36:54
basically led to a moment where we're
00:36:56
effectively eroding all of the greatness
00:36:59
that we've built or many of the great
00:37:00
systems that we've built or the great
00:37:02
opportunity that existed in the United
00:37:03
States is being now eroded away and
00:37:06
we're going to enter hard times. Is that
00:37:08
a fair kind of estimation of the cycle
00:37:10
or do you think it's like geographic
00:37:12
that Florida and Texas are different
00:37:14
than California and New York and Seattle
00:37:16
and Oregon? Where are we?
00:37:19
>> Yeah, I I think it's sort of all the
00:37:22
above. Obviously, I think it's a
00:37:24
regional thing because the people who
00:37:27
want freedom and want to drive a Ram
00:37:30
pickup truck will move to Florida. And
00:37:32
so, you're going to get a lot of
00:37:33
likeminded people. I mean, I can't tell
00:37:36
you all the people that I've known in
00:37:40
the last 5 to 10 years that have packed
00:37:42
up and left. And as somebody who's lived
00:37:46
in California my whole life, you know, I
00:37:48
found it it was kind of interesting. One
00:37:51
is
00:37:52
living in California, you don't
00:37:54
experience people who leave California.
00:37:57
You only experience people who come in
00:37:59
from somewhere else. So, you know, it
00:38:02
was always a novelty. And also when you
00:38:05
work in a writer room, that guy's from
00:38:07
Pittsburgh and that guy's from Chicago,
00:38:10
you really know it during football
00:38:12
season because they all come in and you
00:38:14
go, "Hey, the Rams are on this Sunday.
00:38:16
You guys want to watch a Rams game?" And
00:38:17
they go, "I don't give a about the
00:38:19
Rams. I'm a Steelers guy." You know,
00:38:20
they're all Cowboys. I There'd be a room
00:38:24
of 16 guys in LA. I'd be the only Rams
00:38:27
fan because they all came from somewhere
00:38:29
else. I mean, literally, Los Angeles has
00:38:32
two or three Steelers bars. It doesn't
00:38:35
have any Rams bars, right?
00:38:37
>> So, everyone was from somewhere else.
00:38:39
Nobody ever left.
00:38:41
>> The only time I ever heard of someone
00:38:43
leaving California in the past is, "Oh,
00:38:46
their company relocated to Denver and
00:38:48
they got to move out, whatever." Now, I
00:38:50
talk to people and they're like, "Uh,
00:38:52
I'm leaving." And I go, "Did your
00:38:54
company relo?" "No, no, I'm leaving." I
00:38:56
go, "Where are you going?" And it used
00:38:57
to be a thing where it's like, well, I'm
00:38:59
gonna retire and go to Maui or my folks
00:39:02
died and they got a place, you know, in
00:39:03
in Montana or something. They just go,
00:39:06
uh, I don't know, Florida, Nashville,
00:39:09
Texas, Austin. Yeah. Well,
00:39:12
>> that I mean, someone should tell Gavin
00:39:14
Newsome, not only do you have people
00:39:16
leaving, but they're leaving going, I
00:39:17
don't care.
00:39:18
>> I'll go anywhere. I'm just leaving.
00:39:22
So, you think that there's one side of
00:39:24
America that's going to continue to go
00:39:26
the way it's going and then there's the
00:39:27
other side? And is the US going to find
00:39:29
itself with two Americas? And what does
00:39:32
that look like?
00:39:33
>> Well, it'll look good for Look, Orange
00:39:36
County is in Los Angeles, but Orange
00:39:38
County doesn't look like Los Angeles.
00:39:40
It's clean, it's safe, and it's normal.
00:39:43
And when something like CO comes around,
00:39:46
they're like, "We're not shutting our
00:39:47
beaches. Good luck." You know what I
00:39:49
mean? I mean, there's literally a sign
00:39:52
about halfway to Orange County from LA
00:39:54
that basically says, "Hey, criminals,
00:39:57
don't try that crap here. We we will
00:40:00
prosecute you here in Orange County."
00:40:02
And thus, Orange County is orderly, it's
00:40:04
clean, and it's nice. What I'm saying is
00:40:07
is the the safe space people are the
00:40:14
free syringe people and the safe
00:40:18
injection site people and the sort of
00:40:20
open border people and the Somali
00:40:22
daycare people and there we cannot judge
00:40:26
and our our our homeless you know our
00:40:29
unhoused neighbors and so on and so
00:40:32
forth and you know their their remedy
00:40:34
for fixing school test scores is to get
00:40:36
rid of test scores. They will fail
00:40:38
because their system cannot work.
00:40:41
They're the the other side is diet and
00:40:44
exercise. It's like, oh, you want to
00:40:46
lose weight, diet and exercise. What
00:40:48
about this dietary fudge? Not going to
00:40:50
work. But my kid likes dietic fudge. Not
00:40:53
going to work. Diet and exercise, but my
00:40:55
kid doesn't like I know no one likes it.
00:40:57
Now get to work. They won't do that. and
00:41:00
their their whole thing is free buses
00:41:02
and free needles and free everything and
00:41:04
defund the police and it'll collapse
00:41:07
under its own weight. It already has and
00:41:09
then they're going to have to look to
00:41:11
these other states and and ask for help
00:41:13
at a certain point.
00:41:14
>> Well, so let me ask you this then to
00:41:16
challenge the notion that two Americans
00:41:18
can coexist. California is projected to
00:41:20
have an 18 billion budget deficit in the
00:41:23
26 to 27 cycle. There are some estimates
00:41:26
that say that the pension shortfall in
00:41:28
California for public employees that
00:41:30
have retired is 600 billion, maybe as
00:41:32
high as a trillion dollars short of the
00:41:35
legal obligations of payments that need
00:41:37
to be made to those retirees coming up
00:41:39
in the years ahead. That money has to
00:41:42
come from somewhere. The United States
00:41:43
is 40 trillion in debt. We're burning 1
00:41:45
and a.5 trillion, maybe two trillion a
00:41:47
year. Debt costs are climbing. This
00:41:49
becomes a spiraling problem because all
00:41:52
of these regions, all of these pockets
00:41:54
that may think and act differently share
00:41:56
a common balance sheet, share a common
00:41:59
government and have to share the fiscal
00:42:01
responsibility together. How does this
00:42:04
resolve? Because one side might say,
00:42:05
"Hey, I want to balance my budget here
00:42:07
in Texas." The California side says,
00:42:09
"Hey, I'm going to burn all this money
00:42:10
and make all these promises I can't
00:42:12
keep." But at some point, they can't all
00:42:15
go separate ways. They all share the
00:42:17
federal balance sheet and the federal
00:42:18
balance sheet's being used to bail out
00:42:20
states left and right and bail out for
00:42:23
states lack of preparedness and provide
00:42:26
services when states aren't stepping in
00:42:27
to provide services and so on and so
00:42:29
forth. Doesn't this all come to a head
00:42:31
because of the fiscal issues that we're
00:42:32
facing?
00:42:33
>> Yeah. And I'm speaking, you know, less
00:42:37
Well, first off, I'm speaking about the
00:42:38
next 25 years versus the next 125 years.
00:42:43
And I'm also sort of speaking more
00:42:46
socially than I am in a we're going to
00:42:49
have two armies. Is Florida's army going
00:42:51
to do battle with California's army?
00:42:53
Like I'm not that far into it. I'm
00:42:56
basically saying
00:42:58
>> the people
00:43:00
in in Los Angeles who want a nicer place
00:43:03
to live just move to Orange County. They
00:43:05
just go, I don't want to raise my kids
00:43:07
in Los Angeles. I don't the school
00:43:09
system sucks. I'll go. I know plenty of
00:43:11
people who went, I don't want to leave
00:43:13
California, so I'll go to Orange County
00:43:14
so my kids can have a good school
00:43:16
system. So, they're just going to sort
00:43:18
of relocate. I think the people who are
00:43:21
little businesses, too, Adam, a lot of
00:43:23
Washington's got this new payroll tax
00:43:25
for employees making over 125K. They
00:43:27
want to charge a 15% payroll tax. So,
00:43:30
now Amazon, Microsoft, Costco have all
00:43:33
spoken about leaving the state. But that
00:43:35
obviously creates a huge huge hole in
00:43:37
those budgets.
00:43:38
>> Yeah. and Tesla and SpaceX and all
00:43:41
things Elon Musk going to Texas and and
00:43:43
all that kind of stuff. So, there's
00:43:45
going to be that migration. Uh
00:43:48
eventually they're going to get to yeah
00:43:51
the deficit and unions and payrolls and
00:43:55
retirement funds and things like that.
00:43:56
And then we're going to have to have
00:43:58
another conversation. But I'm saying the
00:44:02
first part of this is going to be the
00:44:04
physical relocation of businesses and of
00:44:07
families to places that are more
00:44:10
hospitable for them. Or I mean, listen,
00:44:13
Gavin Newsome can say anything he wants,
00:44:16
but people understand what a shitty
00:44:19
school is and what a good school is, and
00:44:22
they're going to move to a place that
00:44:23
has a good school if they have young
00:44:25
kids. And that'll that'll be that. We
00:44:27
can talk coastline and we can talk about
00:44:30
mountains and skiing at at noon and
00:44:33
swimming in the ocean at 4 in the
00:44:35
afternoon. We can talk all about that,
00:44:37
but but people are are going to
00:44:40
self-segregate and they're going to move
00:44:43
and and it's on and and that's what's
00:44:45
happening. So that's going to be the
00:44:46
first part. The second part when we
00:44:49
start getting into weird martial law and
00:44:51
the military and stuff like that that
00:44:54
we'll be dead by then. We'll be okay.
00:44:57
So, we got a while.
00:44:58
>> Yeah, that's what I think. Yeah,
00:45:00
>> I see a lot of people that are ultra
00:45:01
high net worth moving out of California
00:45:03
right now and considering moving their
00:45:06
companies right now because of this new
00:45:08
billionaire tax act. I don't know if you
00:45:09
followed this, but there's a proposal,
00:45:12
>> right, from this guy Dave Regan, who's
00:45:13
the head of the SEIU, to do a one-time
00:45:16
5% tax on anyone's net worth over a
00:45:19
billion dollars.
00:45:20
>> He's gathering signatures right now, and
00:45:22
he's doing it as a direct ballot
00:45:24
measure. So you in California can
00:45:26
propose an amendment to the constitution
00:45:28
as a ballot measure and you get 800,000
00:45:30
signatures and it ends up on the ballot.
00:45:32
Seems like it'll be pretty popular.
00:45:33
People will vote for it. And now there's
00:45:35
this thing called the oligarch tax act
00:45:38
in Congress to take 8% of the net worth
00:45:40
of people over 50 million. But it seems
00:45:42
like they're already sort of coming down
00:45:44
the ladder where they're saying, "Hey,
00:45:45
the governments in order to fund all of
00:45:47
these social programs and the expenses
00:45:50
are going to start to take private
00:45:52
assets." How does that affect this
00:45:53
migration? Because it seems like as the
00:45:55
people leave, as the money leaves,
00:45:57
they're not going to cut spending.
00:45:58
They're going to look for other ways to
00:45:59
grab money. Does that just drive the
00:46:01
migration up?
00:46:02
>> Yes, it it's definitely going to drive
00:46:05
migration up. And they never really kind
00:46:07
of understand that, which I'm always
00:46:10
interested in. And then also, you know,
00:46:13
in the wake of the Somali Minnesota
00:46:16
thing and whatever corruption they're
00:46:18
going to find in California, which
00:46:20
they've already found, and God knows how
00:46:22
it's going to dwarf the Minnesota
00:46:25
situation when they do get to the bottom
00:46:27
of that. It's a it's it's a tough cell
00:46:30
to in the middle of all your fraudulent
00:46:33
waste explaining we need more money from
00:46:36
the workers, basically the people that
00:46:38
are the builders and the creators and
00:46:40
the workers. So obviously
00:46:44
look there's two ways you can go about
00:46:49
you know you can go
00:46:53
the the utility bill is too high in our
00:46:55
house and you could say to your wife
00:46:59
well you should close the windows at
00:47:01
night and not walk around in your
00:47:04
underpants and not run the furnace at
00:47:07
90° all day. Uh, and then she could look
00:47:10
at you and go, "Or you could take a
00:47:13
second job and we could just pay the
00:47:15
bills." And you go, "All right. Well,
00:47:18
and they're both true. I mean, either
00:47:21
California could rein in some of its
00:47:24
insane spending or they could just get
00:47:27
more money to take care
00:47:31
of of those obligations." And they're
00:47:34
both true. And they would actually
00:47:36
percentages of both would work. you
00:47:38
know, you could cut spending 10% and you
00:47:41
could get 10% more tax revenue and and
00:47:45
and that would work. So, it's not like
00:47:47
Roana is mathematically wrong. He is
00:47:50
creating a problem which is you guys
00:47:54
can't just keep looking at people as
00:47:57
piggy banks, especially the ones that
00:48:00
are creating the jobs in the creating
00:48:02
the industry. uh you need to start
00:48:06
looking at ways to rein in your
00:48:08
spending. And I think it's a fundamental
00:48:11
flaw in general with Democrats, which is
00:48:16
let's just look around for whoever has
00:48:18
the most money and see how much we can
00:48:21
get. uh people of California, the people
00:48:25
in the highest tax brackets are, you
00:48:27
know, they're already at about 50% with
00:48:30
state
00:48:31
>> 53 with state and federal. So, uh, you
00:48:36
can look at them for more, but I I a I
00:48:41
think it's
00:48:43
in terms of, you know, when they go,
00:48:46
"Oh, you know, Trump's a dictator and uh
00:48:50
this is tyrannical and this this are
00:48:52
oligarchs and whatever." They can say
00:48:55
whatever they want, but taking more than
00:48:57
50% of your money, I would argue is the
00:49:00
ultimate uh government overreach. Um, no
00:49:04
one ever thinks of it that way. They
00:49:05
think in terms of like wearing masks or
00:49:08
shutting schools or uh getting Jimmy
00:49:11
Kimmel fired from his job or something.
00:49:14
But the government putting their hand in
00:49:16
your pocket all day every day and you
00:49:18
know wanting all the wealth tax and the
00:49:20
estate tax and the expiration tax and
00:49:22
all that kind of stuff that that is in
00:49:25
it's insane and yes it will drive people
00:49:28
away from what wherever entities doing
00:49:30
that. The thing I worry about is that
00:49:32
it's very hard to cut spending. On the
00:49:34
flip side, Adam, by my estimate, more
00:49:36
than half of Americans rely on a
00:49:38
government check, either directly or
00:49:40
indirectly. So, you're either employed
00:49:41
by the federal, state, or local
00:49:43
government or its agencies or one of its
00:49:45
contractors, or you're receiving one of
00:49:48
the retirement checks from a government
00:49:49
agency. And so it's become very
00:49:52
difficult because a majority of the
00:49:55
population is receiving benefit or
00:49:58
living from some sort of government flow
00:50:01
of capital which makes it very hard from
00:50:03
a democracy perspective to say, "Hey,
00:50:05
I'm going to vote to change that." Who
00:50:07
would vote to cut their own income,
00:50:09
>> right? You take like the retirement age,
00:50:12
you know, you go, "Look, Social
00:50:13
Security's not going to be able to keep
00:50:15
up with this. So why don't we make the
00:50:17
retirement age 70?" And then everyone
00:50:19
goes out of their minds. And I'm like,
00:50:22
look, people live 20 years longer than
00:50:24
they used to. I you know, you you look
00:50:26
at RFK Jr. over there. He's doing
00:50:28
chin-ups. The guy's 71 years old. I
00:50:31
mean, 70 ain't what it used to be. And
00:50:34
by the way,
00:50:35
>> I'm 61. I have no intention of retiring
00:50:39
at 65. I know plenty of guys that are in
00:50:41
their 60s. They're not even, you know, I
00:50:43
talk to Dr. Drew and attorney Mark
00:50:46
Garagos every other day. Those guys are
00:50:48
not nowhere near retiring and they
00:50:50
shouldn't retire and we shouldn't want
00:50:52
them to retire. So, someone's got to go,
00:50:54
look, we're going to raise that age to
00:50:56
70. By the way, I don't know. Jane
00:50:59
Fonda's 90. She's at work right now. As
00:51:02
much as I hate her work and her, but the
00:51:05
point is is somebody's going to have to
00:51:07
have some balls. And I know it's not
00:51:09
popular with all the people who are used
00:51:12
to getting money from the government,
00:51:14
but someone's going to have to be the
00:51:15
adult in the room at some point and stop
00:51:17
worrying about their next election and
00:51:20
start talking fiscal sanity.
00:51:23
>> So, who do you think's the right
00:51:24
candidate for California? Have you
00:51:25
looked at the the slate? Who do you
00:51:27
like? And I guess who do you think is
00:51:28
probable?
00:51:29
>> We cannot have business as usual.
00:51:34
business as usual is we are just
00:51:36
bottoming out in some sort of slow
00:51:39
motion train wreck here. So, you know,
00:51:42
the the Swallwells, who who by the way
00:51:45
is a dope, you know, a lot of these
00:51:46
people are dopes. And I don't I don't
00:51:48
think people really understand that, you
00:51:51
know, like you could you can vehemently
00:51:55
disagree with many folks on the other
00:51:59
side of the aisle and uh you know, you
00:52:02
could disagree with Jim Jordan or Tom
00:52:04
Cotton or some someone like that, but
00:52:05
they're not dopes. Um Eric Swall is a
00:52:09
dope. Um, Camala Harris is a dope. Karen
00:52:13
Bass is a dope. These are dumb people
00:52:16
who shouldn't be in charge of things
00:52:17
because they don't have the intellectual
00:52:19
capacity for it. Now, I disagree with
00:52:23
Barack Obama. I think he's a liar and a
00:52:26
race hustler, but he's not a dope.
00:52:30
Eric Swall is a dope. And so, first
00:52:33
things first, I don't really want a
00:52:35
dope, you know, we I don't want a dope
00:52:38
governing. Um, and
00:52:42
now Gavin Newsome's a sociopath, but
00:52:45
he's not a dope. But there's something
00:52:48
wrong with him. Clearly wrong, and he
00:52:50
doesn't think clearly, and he's not
00:52:52
linear at all, and I've interviewed him
00:52:53
for an hour, and he's there's something
00:52:56
wrong with him, but I don't lump him in
00:52:58
the dope department. Uh, I will take and
00:53:01
and Katie Porter's an idiot and she's a
00:53:04
dope. And by the way, her being mean to
00:53:06
her employees is the least of my
00:53:07
worries. I have no thoughts about that.
00:53:09
She's a dumb cow. I heard her statements
00:53:12
about some advertising campaign that
00:53:15
Chase Bank came out like 5 years ago and
00:53:18
she's clearly an idiot. So, we don't we
00:53:20
don't want her we don't want any
00:53:22
business as usual. You know, Steve
00:53:24
Hilton, uh Larry Elder, uh Rick Caruso,
00:53:29
it doesn't matter. Anybody who who sort
00:53:32
of is not a dope and had and and can
00:53:34
think like a business person and
00:53:37
approach California that way, I'm I'm in
00:53:39
on. I mean, I don't know where Rick
00:53:40
Caruso's, you know, what his future is.
00:53:43
I'm pretty friendly with him. I assume
00:53:45
he's going to run and he's great. Steve
00:53:47
Hilton's great. Larry Elder's great.
00:53:49
It's anybody from the right side will
00:53:51
will fix this. It cannot have a
00:53:53
succession of more dopes and Swallwells
00:53:55
and guys like that. Do you think the
00:53:57
state can survive as a single party
00:53:59
state? You know, I saw this statistic
00:54:01
yesterday that I think,00 bills get
00:54:03
signed into law a year out of the state
00:54:06
assembly because it's a uniarty state.
00:54:08
So, you know, there's this
00:54:10
extraordinary, some people would call it
00:54:12
pillaging of the budget and pillaging of
00:54:14
resources of California for personal
00:54:16
interests that all get kind of funneled
00:54:18
through the state senate, state assembly
00:54:19
process and bill after bill after bill
00:54:22
after bill just gets pumped and signed
00:54:23
versus having a more kind of purple
00:54:26
state where there could be a process
00:54:28
where there's debate. Is there a path to
00:54:30
that in California or is it too too long
00:54:31
lost where all the people that could
00:54:33
make it a purple state are leaving or
00:54:34
have left? And can we get there?
00:54:37
>> Yeah. You know, I think the fire woke
00:54:39
some people up. I think all of a sudden
00:54:43
people are sounding a little bit
00:54:44
different. You know, in a weird way,
00:54:48
Hollywood is sort of a bellweather like
00:54:51
they're they
00:54:54
kind of take the temperature of the
00:54:57
state by sort of where Hollywood is, you
00:55:00
know, and they were all very far to the
00:55:02
left and very liberal and very woke. And
00:55:04
for the first time ever, you do hear
00:55:08
people talking about not wanting to
00:55:11
trans the kids, you know, in the in the
00:55:14
business, you know what I mean? like
00:55:16
piping up, you know, and you have
00:55:18
comedians and you have actors and
00:55:21
they're talking about like, you know,
00:55:23
why weren't those reservoirs filled and
00:55:26
no, I'm not voting for Karen Bass and
00:55:28
she should have and what how do we let
00:55:31
this place burn down and and by the way,
00:55:34
what's up with all this production
00:55:37
leaving to Atlanta and leaving to New
00:55:39
Mexico? All of a sudden, the stuff has
00:55:42
sort of landed on their plate a little
00:55:44
bit, like their house burned down and
00:55:47
they have to go out of the country to
00:55:49
film their next sitcom. And they're sort
00:55:52
of like going and there's a homeless guy
00:55:55
pissing on their front porch and their
00:55:58
niece got stabbed by a homeless guy just
00:56:00
walking to school and there's these
00:56:03
campers these Winnebago everywhere
00:56:05
dealing fentanyl in front of their house
00:56:07
you know and they're for the first time
00:56:09
ever they're kind of going I don't know
00:56:12
maybe maybe this isn't the direction
00:56:16
>> and and and and it's true a lot of them
00:56:18
have left but Hollywood is a little bit
00:56:20
of a yard stick to kind of measure the
00:56:22
temperature of the town. And for the
00:56:26
first time ever, I am hearing those
00:56:29
types comedians and speaking out loud,
00:56:32
not not whispering anymore. You used to
00:56:35
have to hide. You know, if you had
00:56:36
something bad to say about Karen Bass,
00:56:38
you had to say it quietly. You couldn't
00:56:40
send a tweet out and that kind of stuff.
00:56:42
And so there is an awakening and it's
00:56:44
what would logically happen if your
00:56:47
house burned down,
00:56:49
>> right? this guy named Rob Henderson who
00:56:51
writes about these things called luxury
00:56:53
beliefs. Right.
00:56:54
>> Right. Sure.
00:56:54
>> It's it's all it's a it's a luxury to
00:56:56
have a belief in doing X Y or Z until it
00:56:58
shows up at your doorstep. It's the fact
00:57:00
that you don't have to deal with it. You
00:57:01
don't have to live with it.
00:57:02
>> But eventually, if it does affect you
00:57:04
personally, then you realize, wait a
00:57:05
second, maybe this is not the right
00:57:07
decision. It's it's like turning off the
00:57:09
natural gas so that people can't have
00:57:11
stoves. Now the the poorest of people
00:57:13
can't afford to cook their food because
00:57:15
it's so expensive to use electricity to
00:57:17
to to heat your food. And you know the
00:57:19
the luxury belief is oh it's better for
00:57:21
the planet but for the majority of
00:57:23
people it hurts them. Similarly once the
00:57:26
Winnebago show up and your niece gets
00:57:27
stabbed you realize maybe that wasn't
00:57:30
the best policy or set of policies that
00:57:31
I've been supporting. gas is six bucks a
00:57:35
gallon and you drive a gardening truck
00:57:38
and it's a Ford F250 extended cab and
00:57:41
it's filled with 2,000 lbs worth of m,
00:57:45
you know, equipment and you're getting
00:57:47
seven miles to the gallon and you're on
00:57:49
a gardener salary. Yeah, you're going to
00:57:52
think about cheaper gas. You're not
00:57:55
thinking about the coastal commission at
00:57:57
that point. you just want the price of
00:58:00
gas to go down because you're driving a
00:58:02
pickup truck filled with gardening
00:58:03
material.
00:58:04
>> So, I work in Silicon Valley and a lot
00:58:07
of what Silicon Valley is on the
00:58:10
receiving end of at this moment is this
00:58:11
extraordinary anti-tech, anti-AII
00:58:13
sentiment that seems to be brewing and
00:58:15
bubbling on both sides of the aisle.
00:58:18
Democrats, Republicans,
00:58:21
for different reasons are viewing the
00:58:23
tech industry as kind of this evil. the
00:58:26
oligarchs, the new kleptocrats, and so
00:58:29
on. From where you sit, where is this
00:58:31
headed? Is this a pronounced issue from
00:58:33
from your view? I mean, maybe we're all
00:58:34
very sensitive to it here in Silicon
00:58:36
Valley, but is the generally anti-tech
00:58:38
sentiment becoming louder, becoming more
00:58:40
significant? How does this affect, you
00:58:42
know, the next kind of cycle in
00:58:43
politics, do you think?
00:58:46
>> Well, I mean, we always need a villain,
00:58:48
and so it's easy when it's World War II
00:58:51
and we just hate Nazis, you know, and
00:58:53
it's pretty straightforward. And then at
00:58:55
a certain point it gets a little more
00:58:58
complex, you know, when it's Vietnam or
00:59:01
something like that. And then, you know,
00:59:04
then at some point it's, you know,
00:59:06
Monsanto and these big chemical
00:59:09
companies. You know, we always sort of
00:59:12
need somebody to protect my constituency
00:59:15
from. So, you know, elect me and I'll
00:59:17
protect you and your kids from this
00:59:20
company that's dumping raw sewage into
00:59:23
the river and so on and so forth. And
00:59:25
now that we've sort of cycled through
00:59:28
all that, I I I do think big tech is the
00:59:31
last or not the last, but I mean the
00:59:34
current boogeyman because we're we're
00:59:37
not really dealing with big companies
00:59:40
polluting anymore and we're not at war,
00:59:44
you know, with this nation or that
00:59:45
nation. So, it's it's an easy target.
00:59:49
And you know, there's some skeletons in
00:59:51
the closet about kids and time, screen
00:59:53
time, and incentives to keep the kids on
00:59:56
the screen and the damage that it may be
00:59:59
causing the young kids who grew up
01:00:02
staring at the screen and access to
01:00:04
pornography and everything else. And
01:00:06
then AI, you know, AI, that is the
01:00:09
ultimate
01:00:11
sort of pay no attention to the man
01:00:13
behind the curtain. That's that's the
01:00:15
evil wizard. And you let me and I'm
01:00:17
going to reign these people in and I'm
01:00:19
going to protect you from this potential
01:00:21
harm that you know, forget about you.
01:00:23
What about your kids? You want them
01:00:24
growing up, you know, in this hellscape
01:00:27
of AI, you know, being chased down the
01:00:30
street by by um Elon Musk robots, you
01:00:34
know. So, and also anything that America
01:00:38
doesn't really fully understand makes it
01:00:40
that much easier to pitch them and scare
01:00:43
them, you Right.
01:00:44
>> So, yeah, there's going to be that also
01:00:47
with the sort of, you know, billionaires
01:00:51
and Bernie Sanders and the war on wealth
01:00:54
and that kind of stuff that these guys
01:00:56
making all this money with all their,
01:00:58
you know, cronies and all that. So, it's
01:01:00
going to be a real easy target
01:01:02
>> for them and and they'll go after
01:01:04
whatever's an easy target. And, you
01:01:07
know, in the 80s it was drug dealers,
01:01:09
you know, pretty pretty straightforward.
01:01:12
Uh, and it it shifts. It goes, you know,
01:01:14
Germans and then it goes Vietnamese and
01:01:16
then it goes drug dealers and it'll
01:01:19
it'll just cartels, you know, it'll just
01:01:22
move around and switch to whatever
01:01:24
whatever's expedient for them. But I I
01:01:27
would say Silicon Valley AI and big tech
01:01:31
is is going to be the boogeyman of the
01:01:34
future.
01:01:35
>> Do you think that there's a real fear of
01:01:37
job loss and a real understanding or
01:01:40
experience to date? I know a lot of
01:01:42
people in Hollywood talk about the
01:01:43
creative process getting replaced and
01:01:45
they're getting written out of the
01:01:47
system with AI. Does that feel real to
01:01:50
people in Hollywood? How much have you
01:01:52
kind of looked at this broadly across
01:01:53
other industries? Well, I've always been
01:01:55
a big advocate of the trades with my
01:01:58
background and I've always wanted kids
01:02:01
and felt like we needed to have them get
01:02:04
involved with the trades and it always
01:02:06
drove me nuts like in the late 90s when
01:02:09
they do all those campaigns about saving
01:02:11
the music and save the music programs at
01:02:13
school and I'd be like, "What about shop
01:02:15
class? Could someone save shop Glass?" I
01:02:17
mean, for Christ's sake,
01:02:19
>> Malibu's burnt to the ground. Palisades
01:02:21
are burnt to the ground. out that Dena
01:02:23
has burned to the ground. Do you know
01:02:24
how many electricians and plumbers and
01:02:26
framers and roofers and drywallers and,
01:02:28
you know, sheetrockers and tin knockers
01:02:30
we're going to need just here right now?
01:02:33
You know what I mean? And and and by the
01:02:34
way, these guys ain't making 14 bucks an
01:02:37
hour. They're they're making 300 bucks a
01:02:39
day on the low end. There's good money
01:02:42
and AI is not going to replace you in
01:02:45
the in the near future. So, I've I'm
01:02:48
been a huge, you know, kind of micro
01:02:52
uh let's let's bring shop back. We need
01:02:56
it um fan for a long time. Um you know,
01:02:59
as far as AI goes, you know, everything
01:03:02
technology just replaces things.
01:03:05
>> Um you know, trucks replace wagons and
01:03:09
and it just keeps going and going and
01:03:11
going and and and
01:03:13
you know, and it's like, well, should we
01:03:14
keep the postal service? we have email.
01:03:16
Like, no. And then when your argument is
01:03:19
is we're going to put a bunch of people
01:03:20
out of work if we close the mill down
01:03:22
that no one needs, I'd go, put them out
01:03:23
of work. We don't need it. That's life.
01:03:26
That's the way it's going to go. You're
01:03:28
artificially propping some industry up
01:03:31
is not the way to go. So, yeah. And
01:03:34
people are going to have to start
01:03:35
considering this when they're looking at
01:03:37
a profession.
01:03:38
>> Yeah. This is also like an important
01:03:40
principle that when technology creates
01:03:42
leverage for a person in terms of how
01:03:44
much they can create or do in an hour,
01:03:47
it's not about replacing them. Then
01:03:49
suddenly more will be done per hour by
01:03:52
10x or 100x. You know, it's not like
01:03:54
fewer miles are being driven today
01:03:57
because we got cars and replaced all the
01:03:59
horses and wagons. We're driving far
01:04:01
more miles by a,000x, 10,000x. and there
01:04:04
all these new jobs and new industries
01:04:06
that emerged around it,
01:04:07
>> which I think is one of the fallacies on
01:04:09
thinking about replacing old stuff.
01:04:11
>> So, just to wrap up, I mean, maybe
01:04:12
looking ahead to 28, we talked a lot
01:04:14
about kind of things are headed longer
01:04:16
term. Maybe how do you think the
01:04:18
presidential elections going to play out
01:04:19
in 28. How do you think things are going
01:04:21
to go for the midterms?
01:04:22
>> I mean, yeah, I'm I'm in the it's the
01:04:25
economy stupid camp, although I'm not a
01:04:27
Carville fan, but I think Trump's
01:04:29
implementing a lot of things. I think
01:04:32
people, you know, asked him two days in,
01:04:34
"How come eggs weren't cheaper?" You
01:04:36
know, stuff takes a minute, you know,
01:04:38
takes a minute to get the fuel prices
01:04:40
down, takes a minute for tariff revenues
01:04:42
and things like that. I think Trump's
01:04:46
fiscal stuff is going to kick in uh in
01:04:49
the new year, and I think people are
01:04:51
going to start reaping the benefits of
01:04:53
that. And I think if that happens and
01:04:57
gas is cheap and interest rates are down
01:05:00
and homeownership is up and employment
01:05:02
is up, then we're going to have four
01:05:04
more years of some JD Vance or some sort
01:05:07
of, you know, ver Trump 2.0
01:05:10
uh in in office. Um.
01:05:13
>> Mhm.
01:05:14
>> In terms of the midterms, they may kick
01:05:17
in before we feel the full effects of
01:05:20
the positive economic um
01:05:26
products that that Trump is
01:05:28
implementing. So that could go, you
01:05:31
know, that could sort of go either way.
01:05:33
But uh I think for the you know in terms
01:05:36
of the presidential election I I feel
01:05:38
like if Trump's stuff works like border
01:05:41
closed, interest rates down, fuel cheap,
01:05:45
foreign skirmishes either eliminated or
01:05:49
you know drastically reduced. Um then
01:05:53
yeah, someone will go let's let's see
01:05:54
what let's see what four more years of
01:05:56
this is like versus whatever Camala
01:05:59
Harris word salad you know or you know
01:06:02
insane kind of you know trans the
01:06:05
illegal prisoners policy or whatever
01:06:07
whatever uh I mean whatever insanity
01:06:12
Gavin Newsome wants to implement
01:06:13
although he'll have to walk all of it
01:06:15
back so that's always the fun part but
01:06:18
um
01:06:19
>> I like when people pretend like their
01:06:21
ideas that they had in their 50s or were
01:06:24
now now that you know that's an idea I
01:06:26
had when I was 54 and a half but now
01:06:28
that I'm 57 I've put my childish ways
01:06:31
behind me and I'm a new person. It's
01:06:34
like no
01:06:35
>> if you're making those decisions in your
01:06:37
50s it means that's what you thought.
01:06:39
>> But uh yeah, it'll be interesting. I I
01:06:42
if the economics kick in and the tariffs
01:06:44
work and the gas comes down and the
01:06:47
interest rates come down, then yeah, I
01:06:48
think it'll be four more years.
01:06:50
>> It's crazy. I never was interested in
01:06:52
politics. I hate talking about it. I
01:06:53
hate getting involved in it. Or cuz for
01:06:56
me, I've always just been a guy like,
01:06:57
"Leave me alone. Let me do my work. Let
01:06:59
me live my life. I don't want to think
01:07:01
about government and politics." But it's
01:07:03
become so prevalent in our lives. It's
01:07:06
become something that all of us almost
01:07:07
are forced to discuss and forced to get
01:07:10
involved in and forced to have an
01:07:11
opinion on and a voice on and understand
01:07:13
better because it's so prevalent. I
01:07:14
mean, you've been I've been listening to
01:07:16
you for 30 plus years. This was this
01:07:19
ever a thing that you spend time on
01:07:21
because we just spent the last hour
01:07:22
talking about freaking politics and
01:07:24
>> no I I glad we're ending on this point
01:07:27
which is everybody I know who you know
01:07:31
gets lumped into being a right-winger
01:07:33
all they say is I just want to be left
01:07:35
alone. I just want to be left alone. I I
01:07:38
want to I have a property. It's my
01:07:41
property. I own it. I pay taxes on it. I
01:07:43
would like to rebuild my property. And
01:07:46
the government says no, you cannot. And
01:07:49
now I have a problem and I'm and it's
01:07:52
getting political, but I don't want it
01:07:53
to get political. I just want to be left
01:07:55
alone. I I got, you know, a niece and
01:07:58
she's 5 years old and I don't want a 9-
01:08:00
foot tall reading her cat in the
01:08:03
hat at the library. But we, this is
01:08:05
avoidable. You can just leave her alone
01:08:07
and you can leave me alone and I'll pay
01:08:09
my taxes and I'll be a good neighbor and
01:08:10
I'll pick up my dog's poop and we could
01:08:12
get on with our lives. But you won't
01:08:14
have it. You have to get involved. And
01:08:18
most the people I know who are on my
01:08:20
side of the aisle in terms of
01:08:22
politically and just sort of emotionally
01:08:24
are going, I just want to be left alone.
01:08:26
I don't if I want a gas stove, I want a
01:08:29
gas stove. If I want a gas powered
01:08:30
truck, I want a gas powered truck. And I
01:08:32
would like to be able to rebuild my
01:08:35
property using my money to rebuild my
01:08:39
property and then pay taxes on that
01:08:41
without you getting so involved. So, I'd
01:08:43
just like to be left alone. And I think
01:08:45
you're you're almost like a bellweather
01:08:49
for the fact that the country and the
01:08:51
city and the state and other systems of
01:08:54
governing have reached a breaking point
01:08:56
because so many of us who have no
01:08:59
interest in politics, never had any
01:09:00
interest in it, never focused on it,
01:09:02
never spent time on it, almost got
01:09:04
wrangled into it because of all of the
01:09:07
artifacts of what these systems have
01:09:09
turned into. that they now touch every
01:09:11
part of our life, disrupt our ability to
01:09:13
live our life, to do our business, to do
01:09:15
our things, and we're constantly being
01:09:17
prodded and poked in a way that feels
01:09:19
really wrong. And so, look, Adam, I
01:09:21
appreciate you spending the time today.
01:09:22
This has been awesome. Great to meet and
01:09:24
um yeah, thanks for thanks for being
01:09:26
with us.
01:09:26
>> My pleasure. We'll do it again soon.
01:09:30
>> All right, besties. I think that was
01:09:32
another epic discussion. People love the
01:09:34
interviews. I could hear him talk for
01:09:36
hours. Absolutely. He crushed your
01:09:38
questions in a minute. We are giving
01:09:40
people ground truth data to underwrite
01:09:42
your own opinion. What did you guys
01:09:43
think? That was fun. That was great.
