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Justin Bieber Muhammad Ali Miley Cyrus and then there's murderers rapists arsonists I probably have seen more
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brains than anybody in the world and now your brain so this is going to be really
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hard for you you have ADHD really Dr Daniel Aon the world's leading expert on
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the brain Dr aon's mission is to end mental illness by creating a revolution in brain health buckle up Dr Aon let me
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know what you see your brain is involved in everything you do and after today you will always care about your brain what
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things make the brain worse drugs alcohol not getting good sleep sugar fruit juice eitting a soccer ball with
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your head caffeine caffeine it shrinks it what's bad about sugar you're more likely get obesity and as your weight
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goes up the actual physical size and function of your brain goes down that
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should scare the fat off anyone and then there's social media if you're on 3 and 1/2 hours a day you begin to wear out
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those pleasure centers that bring you happiness and they bring you pleasure and they bring you drive you thrill them
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to death but you're not stuck with the brain you have you can make it better I
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can prove it so it starts with let's look at my brain let's do this we have
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evidence of and that's normal in our society the problem is two or three of
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those can impact the rest of your life and nobody knows about it
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quick one this is really really fascinating to me on the back end of our YouTube channel it says that
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[Music] deal Dr Aon if someone's just clicked on
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this podcast and they're considering sticking around or maybe doing something else
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with their time can you explain to me BAS B on what you know that we're going
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to be discussing and the subject matter we're going to be discussing and how important it is the benefit to their life if they
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stick around 10 extra years of cognitive
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performance in their life uh better love better money Better Health because your
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brain we're going to talk about is involved in everything you do how you think how you feel how you act how you
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get along with other people and my goal is to end it's going to sound huge and
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it is and it's going to sound impossible but it's not my goal is to end mental
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illness by creating a revolution in brain health I
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hate the term mental illness it shames people it's stigmatizing and it's wrong
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these things aren't mental disorders they're brain disorders if you get your
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brain healthy well your mind tends to follow so you're depressed an
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anti-depressant is not doing one thing for getting your brain healthy nobody's
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talking to you about your diet your level of exercise your sleep not living
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in a mold filled home not really allowing your kids to hit soccer balls with their head right because that's not
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brain healthy and if we can create this
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revolution in brain health the incidence of mental health disorders will go down
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by half and I guess that's part of the reveal here is you've actually scanned
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my brain and you're going to tell me today the results that you have on your laptop over there in the corner of the
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room so I came to your clinic in Los Angeles and they made me do a test on a
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computer like it was almost like a speed test of sorts and then they made me lie down in a big machine for about how long
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was that about 30 minutes 15 minutes 15 minutes while this big machine rotated around my head and looked at my brain
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that was my experience of what happened and then I filled out some questionnaires about myself and my brain
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and my life generally and from that all that data feeds into the thing you're
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about to show me now yes so I never will make a diagnosis from a scan okay I make a
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diagnosis from all the information which is why we had you fell out all that
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information and I gave you a test called the Connor's continuous performance test
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which is a 15minute test of attention and every time you see a letter you hit
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the space bar except when you see the letter X when you see the letter X you
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don't do anything so it measures impulse control and inhibition response
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time and you actually did fine on the test and but there's other evidence that
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you might in fact have ADD or ADHD from getting bored easily to poor handwriting
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being disorganized and so on uh and obviously
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you're very bright but struggled a bit in school so with all of that
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information um first thing to do is look at a healthy scan so we know what a
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healthy scan looks like and we're going to show it in two different ways we're
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to look at the outside surface of your brain so a healthy one is the image on
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the left and all we should see is full
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even symmetrical activity so the image on the top left is looking underneath
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the brain so the top is the front part of the brain the bottom is the back the
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top is an area called the prefrontal cortex hugely important in humans
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largest in humans than any other animal by far it's 30% of the human brain 11%
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of the chimpanzee brain and then the back is the cerebellum back bottom part
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of the brain um again very important involved in processing speed
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the bottom right of the images on the left is looking down from the top uh the
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other two looking at the brain from the side color doesn't matter it's the shape it should be full even and symmetrical
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the images on the right the color matters so it's what we call our active images blue is average activity red is
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the top 15% white is the top 8% and see all the
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white so the white is where things are really happening it's really hot okay
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and that's healthy that's normal and that's going to become very important for you so if we look at your brain it's
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a little bumpy and so I'll ask you about toxins there anything toxic in your life
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what what are toxins so think alcohol marijuana
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mold the heavy metals in your your body infections and so it's not alcohol or
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drugs then I begin to go have you ever lived in a mold filled environment maybe
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we should test you for that do you have more mercury in your body or lead in your body than you should so for example
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I had very high mercury levels my brain sort of looked like that when I first scanned it it was toxic and I had very
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high mercury levels like I never drank I just don't like it never smoked never
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did drugs but my brain looked toxic and so you then have to go hunt down well
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why and for me it was Mercury um decreased activity in your
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left prefrontal cortex so when I think of maybe addd like symptoms in your life
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probably coming from there and decreased activity ity in your left temporal lob
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and you right-handed yeah yeah so that can go with the irritability what I've
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seen is that can go with sort of short fuse and your prefrontal cortex is sort
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of the brain's supervisor it watches you and your prefrontal cortex is flat MH
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and I don't like that and then when I heard you played soccer when I read you played soccer is very common in my
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soccer players now how long did you play soccer for uh pretty much all of my
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childhood and any concussions playing soccer I think I had a couple of big
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headbangs that were significant but not many not nothing that took me to
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hospital but I had a couple of moments where i' pulled off the pitch because like there was a clash of heads so your brain is soft about the
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consistency of soft butter your skull is really hard and has sharp bony
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ridges um two or three of those can impact the rest of your life and nobody
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knows about it because nobody looks right if you went and saw a thousand
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psychiatrists say I want to focus better and have better temper you saw a
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thousand psychiatrists two of them would look at your brain which I think is
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insane so the colors here that I'm looking at the what does the the red and the green so the color really doesn't
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matter here doesn't matter it's the shape so when I see this hole you don't
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have holes in your brain what the hole means is less blood flow than is optimal
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in fact I'm going to show you if you do what I ask you to do and we scan you 6
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months from now that'll be better I have a program that tells me if you do what I
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ask you to do this is what's generally going to happen and if you don't do what I ask you to do well this is what it's
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going to look like five years from now 10 years from now and you're young if
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you get serious about loving and repairing your
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brain your 60s 7s 80s are going to be amazing because you're going to have a
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healthy brain If you go oh Aman's quack and I don't believe any of this
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crap it's going to be really hard for you because you're not going to have full access to your
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brain and that's scary so I know that's sort of a big deal but I think this is
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from traumatic brain injury at some point and a bit of a toxin which may
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maybe mold mhhm and when I when I say mold our house was very very dirty
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growing up so that's what I assume you're speaking to there and we did have
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like mold around the window sill sometimes and we had mice and rats at
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some point and it was like living in a house that a hoarder had uh lived in
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because some of the rooms were just stacked to the ceiling with crap so I think maybe if you're talking about
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mold or toxic brain I I I'm guessing that's where it's come from once it gets in your body unless you do something
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active to get it out it stays really and can continue to cause problems and then
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if we go to the active scan it's very different than I want it to be and I
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know I can make it better but if we go back to what's
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healthy lots of activity in the the cerebellum your
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cerebellum is Sleepy despite you probably being very
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coordinated I need to activate that thing this is really important to get
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better activity there and you have this diamond pattern so you have ad and we'll
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talk more about it it's a subtype I call overfocused add where you can be
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obessive when you're really interested in something but if it doesn't interest
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you it's hard for you to focus so if you look at this it looks like a
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diamond and when I see that diamond I think of past emotional
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trauma and uh I published a big study looking at there's 20,000 people can I
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separate emotional Trauma from physical trauma and I can with actually high
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levels of accuracy and it looks to me like there's sort of bit of both for you
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do you play Rocket Sports no I don't so that'll be one of my prescriptions for
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you and actually study from England people play Rocket Sports live longer than everybody else by far soccer was on
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the bottom like soccer and football were on the bottom but tennis table tennis
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rocketball now pickle ball uh bad mitton are on the top but let's talk about this
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diamond for a bit when I say emotional trauma MH what comes up for you so a few
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things the first thing is my parents were always at War growing up as a kid in a household where there was so much
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screaming and negative energy but then growing up with shame because we was I
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was so different from everyone else around me never inviting friends back to my house
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in those 16 years that I lived there before I left so nobody really knew where I lived either I think of all that
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stuff when I think about like emotional trauma well that's a lot okay yeah I
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mean if you grow up in a stressful environment Mo MH in um a hostile
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environment where your parents are at War it trains your brain your emotional
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brain to become h active because you always have to
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watch for danger and that gets programmed early and even later when
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there's not the danger your body still can look for it you're waiting for that
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next bad thing to happen and do you think I have ADHD I do now the question
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would be who has it in your family because it
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doesn't just show up but often children who have ADHD have one or
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both parents who have it and you can see those similar trads
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and it sounds like one or both of your parents could have been a little bit
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conflict seeking my my mother
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and if I was to Hazard a guess at which one of my parents had ADHD and this is just me guessing not trying to diagnose
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my parents I would say it's would have been my mother why she's the she's the most
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irritable handwriting isn't great she
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is a little bit more sort of like SC scattered I should say she's a lot more
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messy my dad's like very organized with everything my mom's very very very messy like me um um the the other thing I
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would ask is what did teachers say about you I
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went back to speak at my school to the GCS CNA level students
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I've done it twice and I remember one of the teachers came up to me bear in mind at this age I'm 24 25 years old and she
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said you were a useless student but you were nice you're a nice person I was never swearing or throwing chairs but I
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was useless and I spent most of the time in the exclusion unit which is where you go if you don't do your homework or you
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don't attend I just couldn't sit in classrooms I couldn't sit in classrooms and stay focused on what they were
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telling me es especially when I wasn't interested that's been like her defining quality of my life I'm exceptionally
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good at not doing things I'm not interested in and I'm ex and I'm good at when I'm interested but when I'm not
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interested I could see my peers almost like will themselves to engage in things
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that not interested in I'm I will I could never do that and I've always said I'm a remarkable quitter so you think
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about stopped going to school then went to University for one day and was like NOP never went back after that first day
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so so it's it's a very important piece of advice for people who have ADD is
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pick something you love not a job that you think you'll just make more
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money in and that's another sort of piece of the puzzle that completely fits
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with having add and as as we know there
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are problems with it but there are also huge benefits of it your preal cortex
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when it works too hard so I imagine if I scanned your dad that it would be busy
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because he's very organized and like collecting um but there's 's less
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creativity that goes with the busy frontal loes when there's a little bit sleepy
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you entertain all sorts of thoughts and you're a little less rule bound than
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people whose prefrontal cortex more active they like rules and they like
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sameness and they like predictability and probably like some of that because I
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think you inherited some of your dad that's the top of the diamond
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but you're obviously very
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creative I do um I do think of myself as being um a a creative entrepreneur I I
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know other entrepreneurs that are like really good at finance and operations and processes whereas my skill in
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entrepreneurship has always been the creativity that's why I'm a marketeer that's where I built my my fortunes per
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se was in marketing and creativity So and I've always found other people to do the finance or the process or operation
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stuff for me because that's not where I I'm engaged or or where I think I'm particularly good so well and since a
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lot of CEOs listen to this podcast a lot of CEOs have ADD of one form or
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another and they Thrive when they hire
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people who are organized so it's very important CU we
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tend to like to hire people like ourselves and it's very important to
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hire people who help us where we're more vulnerable it's almost like hiring
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people with different brains yes literally yes we we we talked about something a
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second ago you said when you saw your brain for the first time it changed your life I do feel like that now I do feel
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like when I almost didn't realize my brain was there and I think a lot of people we go through our lives just kind
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of because we never see the thing we don't appreciate the thing so step one is that awareness and then step two is
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the realization that we can do something about it because I grew up thinking that your brain and your body generally is
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just it just is what it is like I can't do anything about you know I tend to think I can't do anything about I don't
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know my fingernail I probably you can but you just see these things as static objects that are what they are
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this idea that I can do something about it is the most important idea it's the it's the empowering idea and that is
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what you're telling me is possible I can change my brain
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it's the most exciting lesson that I've learned you're not stuck I'm not stuck
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with the brain I had you're not stuck with the brain you have you can make it better I can prove it in fact every
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every day what I've come to believe you're making your brain better or
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you're making it worse let's start there by what you're doing what things make the brain worse what are the common
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things that most of us do without thinking that make the brain worse when my daughter Khloe was in
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second grade I went to her classroom and I wrote 20 things on the board and I
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went separate them for me good for your brain bad for your brain year olds they
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got 19 out of 20 right so most people know the only thing they got wrong was
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orange juice they put it in the healthy category when in fact when is it
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rational to unwrap fruit sugar from its fiber source because it turns toxic in
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your body so I'm not a fan of fruit juice I'm a fan of fruit not fruit juice
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but so the bad category hitting a soccer ball with your head no don't do that um what's bad
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about sugar for the brain pro-inflammatory which what does that mean it makes you
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diabetic but I mean as it relates to the brain why is like orange juice or the ice cream bad for my brain because it's
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ultimately going to give you high blood sugar levels MH which erode your blood
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vessels and you're going to have lower blood flow to your brain that's bad
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thing I mean there's so many things about it so it's addictive it's
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pro-inflammatory it makes it more likely you're going to have diabetes and obesity so 72% of Americans are
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overweight 42% are obese I've published three studies on
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35,000 people as your weight goes up the actual physical size and function of
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your brain goes down that should scare the fat off anyone I used to be chubby
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but when I figured out that connection I'm like oh no I'm it was that that gave
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me the motivation to drop about 25 pounds and so
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sugar is the gateway drug to diabetes and obesity and so not to
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mention inflammation which is the cause of depression and dementia so I've got
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sugar I've got head injury I'm going to avoid both of these things what else should I avoid and then you have low
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blood flow in those two very important areas and so how can we increase blood flow so you
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want to avoid things that cause low blood flow caffeine nicotine caffeine caffeine constricts blood flow to the
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brain what does that do to my brain Con well constricts blood flow so you're going to get less blood flow and
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remember I showed you that progression with age no you don't want that you want to
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do things that increase blood flow to your brain so exercise um genko just one of the
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supplements I'm going to give you eat foods like um beets
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oregano Rosemary cinnamon they increase blood flow
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and do you think there's correlation or a link between
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caffeine consumption and a shrinking brain
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yes and a shrinking brain is that associated with things like dementia aging
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brain you know I don't think there's a connection I haven't read any research
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that says there's a connection between caffeine and dementia there's a
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connection with sleep problems and there's connection with sleep problems in dementia I think if you have like 100
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milligram a day of caffeine is probably fine but one venty Starbucks coffee has got 330
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milligrams of caffeine Jesus and people just aren't thinking about the level of
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caffeine they're having in our society what are the other very obvious things that are not good for my brain because I
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really want to make sure that I avoid those things I've got sugar erectile dysfunction I mean while we're so B is
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for blood flow right while we're on blood flow 40% of 40y olds have erectile
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dysfunction 70% of 70y olds have erectile dysfunction what that means if
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you have blood flow problems anywhere it means they're
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everywhere and so like No And and it means either you're too
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sedentary you're overweight you're smoking or having too much
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caffeine or using marijuana because marijuana lowers blood flow to the brain
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and so just in that one of the 11 it's
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exercise genko for you not for everybody but for you hyperbaric oxygen those three things
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will make a big difference in blood flow genko genko what is that it's a supplement what does it do uh increases
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blood flow to the brain the prettiest brains I've ever seen take genko there's
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actually a spec study uh they gave uh people 120 milligrams of genko twice a day
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significant Improvement in blood flow to the brain and so in one of the supplements
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I'm going to give you we have genko I I've taken it every day for the last 20
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years at least and then this is where the US government got an F for the
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pandemic loneliness accelerates dementia and brain problems and so when they
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isolated as the whole significant increase in brain problems so get
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connected to other people the i in bright Minds is inflammation so what increases
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inflammation low omega-3 fatty acid levels and we are deficient 93% of the population is
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deficient and omega-3 fatty acids 93% so all of us should be either eating
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more fish or taking an omega-3 supplement like
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fish oil gum disease like who knew like
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I wasn't really that good at taking care of my gums until I started Ed reading
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the studies you have gum disease you have inflammation you're more likely to get depressed and have dementia I'm like
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oh my goodness so I'm a flossing fool um H's head trauma we talked about that I
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did the big NFL study when the NFL was struggling with the truth on traumatic
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brain injury in football and 80% of our players got better TS
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toxins um drugs alcohol um but other things like Mercury
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and what are the unobvious toxins because anesthesia anesthesia I I was looking at my
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bathroom items and I have like mouthwash and toothpaste and deodorants and after
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shaves and I was wondering to myself whether those were toxic to some degree so there's an AB there's a couple of
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them but the one I like is called Think Dirty mhm where you can scan those
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products and it'll tell you on a scale of 0 to 10 how bad they are for you so zero is
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you live a long time and 10 is you die early and so when I figured this out and
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I scanning everything um I mean it cost me hundreds of dollars to replace things
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and my wife more than that with all the makeup and stuff but I shaved for 50
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years with barbasol and it's a nine which is die early and now I shave
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with something called kiss my face and it's a two it's like you know we teach people
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read the labels on food stuff should read the labels on anything that goes on
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your body or on your child's body and we have this epidemic and we'll get to it
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of low testosterone in males because of the toxins we put on their bodies when
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they're young what is the m in brightness so the m is mental health
00:31:03
it's the quality of your thoughts the level of your
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stress and the level of trauma you carry in
00:31:19
your body and whether or not you have any of the psychiatric stuff like depression
00:31:27
for example doubles the risk of Alzheimer's disease in women and quadruples it in men and so the m is
00:31:38
what's going on in your mind and so I teach people to kill the
00:31:44
ants the automatic negative thoughts that steal their happiness
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um understand and process their traumas
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and treat whatever psychiatric issues may be
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present like in your case the ADD and I think we start with a
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supplement um or even consider
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medication talk about the natural ways to do it the medicine ways to do it and for me I'm not opposed to medicine I'm
00:32:24
actually really good at it but it's never the first and the only thing I think about I've really never
00:32:31
taken medication in my life even like if I get a headache I don't take medication I'm not the type of person I probably
00:32:38
haven't taken a pill in like really in years the only time I've taken medication is if I have a severe
00:32:44
infection of sorts so like there was this one time where like my foot was going green and I'd stood on some glass
00:32:49
whatever and it was really getting out of control I'm talking like a 2in purple thing growing on my foot and I thought
00:32:55
okay instead of getting my leg cut off I'll take this medication the doctor's given me otherwise I just do not take it
00:33:01
so I will rather go through severe pain than take medication because I believe that my body can fix things um so when I
00:33:09
think about taking ADD medication or ADHD medication I don't really know the difference I go
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well if my if I'm messy or if I'm my handwriting's bad or whatever it might
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be then that's just who I am and that's
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okay I can get better at it I can be less I can be more organized but why why
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do I want to take medication well I'm not gonna I'm not going to be the one to sell you on
00:33:39
medication but what I would say
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is so a lot of times people ask me the side effects of medication MH and for
00:33:53
stimulants for add it could be a decreases your appetite or con negative ly affect your sleep but you always have
00:33:59
to ask the second question which is what are the side effects of not taking the
00:34:06
medicine what's the impact on your life on your business on your money on your
00:34:13
relationships on your health because living with untreated add for many
00:34:19
people and maybe not you but for many people goes with chronic stress because
00:34:25
of the negative things that tend to go along
00:34:30
with it the dysfunction and for you you're clearly not
00:34:37
broken but are you optimized do you have full access to
00:34:45
your own brain and I would argue no and
00:34:50
we can do and we can do better but we can do it in steps
00:34:58
and ultimately I see my job is giving people options and then telling them the
00:35:04
pros and cons of each option and then letting them choose right I mean that's what good doctors should do it's called
00:35:10
informed consent um and you know I can just tell
00:35:16
you my experience I told you the story with my daughter and I've seen that play out thousands of
00:35:25
times that people just become more optimized and
00:35:33
it's not necessarily the medicine but that medicine when it's for the right brain right the wrong brain it makes
00:35:41
people worse and if you read my book healing add I talk about the Ring of Fire ADD so ADD and
00:35:50
ADHD are different terms for the same thing 1980 the American American
00:35:57
Psychiatric association's DSM Diagnostic and statistical Manual of mental
00:36:02
disorders I hate that but it's what we have was attention deficit disorder add
00:36:09
with or without hyperactivity 1987 God knows for what reason they changed the name to ADHD
00:36:17
attention deficit hyperactivity disorder basically throwing out half the people who had it because half the people who
00:36:24
have ADD or ADHD are never for hyperactive and they don't get diagnosed
00:36:31
because they don't bring enough negative attention to themselves for parents to
00:36:37
go you have a problem and you're giving me a problem um so anyway different
00:36:45
names for the same thing and if you can manage
00:36:52
it by having extra help for the things you're not good at with
00:36:58
exercise with all of the good habits you have well that's awesome if you want to
00:37:08
be 10% more focused like I treat this
00:37:13
writer um and she only takes medicine when she has to get stuff done but she
00:37:20
never takes it when she writes because she has 16 plot lines going on at once in her books and she goes no I think it
00:37:29
decreases my creativity a little bit interesting because
00:37:37
the the fact that we're medicating the a brain like
00:37:43
mine I I go is that for professional optimization because if you just go back
00:37:48
like I don't know a couple hundred years you go back even further to a time when we couldn't like read or write there
00:37:53
wasn't computers and all of these things you you would have had no idea that you know if you go if you go back far you
00:38:00
wouldn't have been able to tell a really an ADHD well what I'm trying to you'd be able to tell their life I mean I have a
00:38:06
patient from Ethiopia and I'm like so tell me the impact in your culture and
00:38:14
he said the people with severe ADHD get excluded because they can't be relied on
00:38:21
and the isolation causes great shame and
00:38:26
and pain um and they have no idea it's a brain thing where does it come from ADHD
00:38:35
or add well it's genetic okay it's clearly genetic I mean I if I don't see
00:38:42
it in someone's family I think head trauma and with you I think that's
00:38:47
possible because of soccer um except you see it in your family um is it a defect
00:38:55
or is it a difference it's a difference if I if I chose to take a
00:39:01
drug was it like you called it rellin I think you called the what the so Rin would be one of the options whatever
00:39:06
drug it was what exactly would it do under brain scanning to my brain so if I scan my brain and took the drug what
00:39:14
would you see in my brain well I can tell you it would activate your cerebellum okay the bit that was a bit
00:39:20
sleepy it was a bit sleepy and it would activate your prefrontal cortex and um it would give your brain
00:39:29
better energy so my first spec scan 1991
00:39:34
a woman she tried to kill herself the night before I went to the lecture on brain spec Imaging and then I walked out
00:39:41
of the lecture and she was my new patient her name was Sandy she tried to kill herself the night before and as I'm
00:39:47
getting to know her I'm thinking she has ADD she has an 8-year-old son who has ADD talked about the genetic connection
00:39:55
she had an IQ of 144 but never finished college and I'm like how'd you study she said well I
00:40:02
never really did except maybe the night before a test I'd put on a pot of coffee
00:40:08
stay up all night cramming and then I'd take the test that's classic ad way of
00:40:13
doing things and I'm like you know I think maybe you have adult ADD and she goes oh adults don't have ADD and I'm
00:40:20
thinking I'm the doctor but I'm like how about if we look at your brain
00:40:27
and and I knew from other work I'd done that I should do it twice at rest and
00:40:33
concentration and when she tried to concentrate her brain completely deactivated turned off like for you
00:40:40
willing did it once but if I had done it twice probably your brain would be busy or at rest and then when you try to do
00:40:47
it it would drop and I put the pictures on uh a couple of days later I put the picture
00:40:53
on the table in front of her and as I explained it to her she started to cry and she said you
00:41:02
mean it's not my fault and I said having add is sort of
00:41:07
like people who need glasses and I wear glasses to drive and took my glasses out put them on and I said people wear
00:41:14
glasses aren't dumb crazy or stupid her eyeballs are shaped funny and we wear glasses to
00:41:20
focus said people have ADD aren't dumb crazy or stupid some of them are the brightest people I know but their
00:41:26
frontal lobes deactivate taking the medicine as like glasses for your frontal loes help you
00:41:33
focus and she did it she was conflict driven she was always poking her husband
00:41:40
they got into a huge fight which is why she tried to kill herself she stopped that she's a better mom she went back
00:41:46
and finished College I mean her life's it's like your brain with glasses wow my
00:41:52
friends that take medication for ADD say that to me they say it's like their life is before and after that moment so I've
00:41:59
you know I completely believe what you're saying um second ago you said
00:42:04
this phrase when we were talking about the M which is your mental health and the impact that has on the development
00:42:10
of a brain that's either healthy or unhealthy and you said this thing about you got to make sure you kill the ants
00:42:16
which is killing those negative thoughts um that's much easier said than done how does how does someone go about
00:42:23
killing their negative thoughts is there a process they can go through to do that yeah it's a habit right and it's not
00:42:30
hard but like any habit you have to do it repeatedly like over and over and over and over and over and over
00:42:38
um whenever you have a thought your brain releases
00:42:44
chemicals whenever you have a bad thought a sad thought a mad thought your brain releases a certain set of
00:42:50
chemicals that make you feel bad immediately your hands get cold they
00:42:57
start to sweat your muscles get tense you start to breathe erratically and it
00:43:02
all happens instantaneously whenever you have a positive thought happy thought a hopeful
00:43:08
thought a loving thought like I'm back because I love the first time was on the
00:43:14
podcast with you um a completely different set of chemicals come out and
00:43:21
your hands get warmer drier your breathing slows down your heart beats in
00:43:26
a healthier and it happens like immediately people have ADD since we're
00:43:33
talking about that they tend to go more toward negative thoughts because negative thoughts are more
00:43:39
stimulating and uh here's the
00:43:44
exercise whenever you feel sad or mad or nervous or out of control write down
00:43:51
what you're thinking and then ask yourself is it true
00:43:58
is it absolutely true this is a process I learned from my friend Byron Katie how do I feel when I have this
00:44:05
thought how do I act when I have this thought and what's the outcome of the thought so is it true is
00:44:15
it absolutely true how do I feel act in the outcome of the thought how would I
00:44:23
feel if I didn't have the thought how would I act if I didn't have the thought
00:44:28
what's the outcome of not having that thought then my favorite part of it is take the original thought Tana never
00:44:35
listens to me Tana's my wife I've had that thought
00:44:41
um and then turn it to the opposite T it does listen to me and then just ask
00:44:47
yourself whether or not that's true and by directing my thoughts by
00:44:53
managing so rather than being a victim so many of my patients are victims of
00:44:58
their thoughts until they do the work right this is one of the things where do what the FI say write down a hundred of
00:45:05
your worst thoughts take them through that process and by the time you get to
00:45:11
30 they'll stop bothering you so if I'm a repetitive negative
00:45:17
thinker or a repetitive positive thinker does that alone change the shape of my
00:45:22
brain yes and in um my new book change your brain every day there's actually
00:45:28
pictures of Noel Nelson she was writing a book called The Power of
00:45:34
appreciation and I had her she wanted me
00:45:39
to scan her while she was appreciating her brain and it looked beautiful and I'm like as I'm showing it
00:45:47
to her I'm like you need to come back tomorrow and I want you to hate yourself and she goes oh I don't want to
00:45:52
do that I'm like come on you have to suffer for science I I one we have a positive scan and then we had a negative
00:45:59
scan and the negativity dropped her left temporal
00:46:05
lobe her left frontal lobe and her cerebellum so interesting I mean similar
00:46:10
to what your scan looks like but hers was way worse I mean it's healthy brain
00:46:16
and then a deactivated brain and that explained to me athletic slumps it's
00:46:24
like why do people get in athletic slums because negativity turns off their cerebellum and they become just a little
00:46:32
less coordinated interesting and I'm not a fan of
00:46:38
positive thinking I'm a fan of accurate
00:46:43
thinking with a positive spin so positive thinking is I can have this
00:46:49
third piece of cheesecake and it's not going to negatively impact my body or my
00:46:55
brain like no the don't worry be happy people
00:47:00
die the earliest of accidents and preventable illnesses so a lot of people come to me
00:47:08
for anxiety and I'm like so on a scale of 0 to 100 how much is it I'm like 50 I
00:47:15
said okay our goal is not zero our goal is 15 I want you to have
00:47:21
enough anxiety you do the right things somewhat linked to that is a word
00:47:27
used as well which is stress when we're talking about the m in bright Minds how to have healthy brains what role does
00:47:35
stress play on our brains stress um especially chronic unremitting stress so
00:47:44
if we think of the stress you had growing up um where there was a lot of fighting it raises a hormone called
00:47:53
cortisol cortisol begins to sh shrank activity in the hippocampus one of the
00:47:59
major memory and Learning Centers in the brain so one could at least argue or
00:48:06
postulate your struggle in school was because your emotional brain was busy
00:48:12
because you were worried about things at home um it makes it more likely you get
00:48:18
infections it makes it more likely um that you have Le in
00:48:26
problems and Trauma trauma was the other word you used which I I thought was worth diving into um the impact that
00:48:32
trauma has on our brains um and does trauma show up when you scan someone's brain can you see it yeah so trauma
00:48:39
shows up is that diamond pattern uh which is why I as asked you about it it's your emotional brain anterior
00:48:46
singulate at the top it's the brain's gear shifter thamus often involved in mood basil ganglia migdala involved in
00:48:54
anxiety so we often see worry anxiety and sadness and it shows up as that
00:49:01
diamond pattern that after people do EMDR a specific psychological treatment
00:49:07
for trauma calms it down and I say psychological treatment I'm like yeah but it has biological effects uh it's a
00:49:15
very interesting treatment so I get you to like first thing write down 10 big
00:49:22
traumas in your life and we'll go after the wor one first um and have you bring
00:49:30
it up and there's a whole process to it but have your eyes go back and forth while you bring it up and it's so
00:49:37
interesting the connections your brain will make to it but as you process it
00:49:43
you find you're actually less bothered by it and it's Master for for single
00:49:50
incident traumas like being robbed or being in a car accident for CR chronic
00:49:55
trauma it takes longer um but it's so helpful um when I met my wife 18 years
00:50:04
ago um her Ace score adverse childhood experiences on a scale of 0 to 10 how
00:50:11
many bad things happened to you was an eight and I was so taken with this woman
00:50:19
and one of my first gifts to her was 10 sessions of EMDR one I wanted to see if
00:50:25
she would like wrestle with her traumas she went for two years and I'm
00:50:31
absolutely convinced that's one of the reasons she and I rarely fuss with each
00:50:37
other because we don't trigger each other and when you talk about trauma
00:50:42
it's not these big tea traumas that some people sometimes talk of which is you
00:50:48
know when I was young I was fondled by my uncle for example it can also be an isolated incident that happened when you
00:50:54
were an adult absolutely it can be anything that
00:51:00
attacks your sense of safety either physical or
00:51:07
emotional getting fired is traumatic for a lot of people um not performing in a
00:51:14
high in an important situation can be traumatic and that changes the activity
00:51:19
within your brain well it depends on how strong it is if it was really strong if
00:51:25
is really strong then the activity centers of your brain would well and there's one thing we haven't talked about yet called brain Reserve which is
00:51:33
how healthy was the brain that you brought into trauma because you can take
00:51:40
two soldiers put them in the same tank and expose them to the same blast the
00:51:47
same angles everything is the same one walks away unharmed the other one's
00:51:54
permanently disabled why it's the brain they brought into the
00:52:02
trauma and so if your mother used drugs while she was pregnant with you she
00:52:08
decreased your reserve if your mom and dad fought a lot or they separated when
00:52:14
she was pregnant with you that decreased your reserve if she gave you bad food if
00:52:20
she neglected you if there was chronic stress that's decreasing your Reserve so all of us
00:52:27
have a certain level of Reserve when we go into that trauma and some people get
00:52:33
post-traumatic growth that they're actually better after the trauma you know they make the trauma and makes
00:52:41
something meaningful out of it and other people have post-traumatic stress where
00:52:47
it really um causes them to suffer so I love the idea of brain
00:52:53
Reserve because I'm like always thinking of boosting mine yeah because then also when something traumatic happens I'm in
00:52:59
a better place right right like if you kill the ants if you're ant population
00:53:04
is low my automatic negative thoughts right yeah so if you're masterful if you
00:53:10
have an ante eater running around in your head cleaning up the negative thoughts that all of us have when you go
00:53:16
into that trauma well you're just better able to deal with it
00:53:22
than if you have an un disciplined mind that's
00:53:28
infested and there's nowhere in school that people teach you to kill the ants
00:53:34
we have a foundation called the change your brain foundation and I love it so much uh we're dedicated to research
00:53:42
Education Service but last year we produced this
00:53:48
new course called brain Thrive by five so it's for preschoolers kindergarten
00:53:53
grade one where we teach kids to love and care for their brain it's like 30
00:53:59
modules or six to seven minutes long and six of them aren't learning to kill the
00:54:05
ants and little kids just love that you don't have to believe every stupid thing
00:54:10
you think and I don't know if you know but Jerry Seinfeld once said the brain is a sneaky organ we all have weird
00:54:19
crazy stupid sexual violent thoughts that nobody should ever here and just
00:54:26
because you have a bad thought doesn't even mean you believe the thought right it's not the thoughts you have that make
00:54:32
you suffer it's the thoughts you attach to that make you suffer I get all sorts
00:54:38
of crazy thoughts and I'm like my brain is so creative but I don't believe most
00:54:44
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about the most unhealthy brain you've ever seen for a 15-year-old with was Kip
00:56:55
Kinkle he's a 15-year-old boy in Springfield Oregon who brought weapons
00:57:02
to school got arrested his parents picked him up from
00:57:07
jail and sometime between 6 o' that night and 8:00 the next morning he
00:57:13
murdered his mom and dad and then he went to Springfield thirston High School
00:57:19
in Springfield Oregon and shot 25 people based on my work they scaned and him for
00:57:26
his trial his brain was so awful like I'd never seen a 15-year-old that had a
00:57:32
brain so damaged and his life reflected
00:57:38
it what did you see in his brain it it was shriveled at 15 at 15 and it's like
00:57:46
okay why well he murdered his mom and dad so I couldn't get a good history but he either had
00:57:52
anoxia at Birth lack of oxygen a severe infection or something was
00:57:58
poisoning his brain it could have been lad it um could have been an infection I
00:58:05
mean we're talking about M the I is immunity and infections it's a major
00:58:11
cause of psychiatric problems nobody knows about it have you scanned the brains of lots
00:58:17
of psychopaths I have and what do you see when you look at psychopath so I published a study on murderers and young
00:58:26
murderers have really low frontal L function older murderers it's Global low
00:58:33
activity now not all murderers are the same I have one murderer's brain her
00:58:39
brain actually looked pretty good but she was in the middle of being abused by her husband and she murdered him and it
00:58:47
wasn't that irrational you know when you really know her story um but most brains
00:58:53
are troubled do you think you could look at a brain and predict now you should ask me should
00:59:00
you scan presidential candidates interesting especially now uh what do
00:59:07
you think Donald Trump's brain looks like well I think if we scanned President Biden or former
00:59:14
president Trump neither one of them would be healthy I mean one we talked about the older you get the less healthy
00:59:22
they are and um if someone is going to have nuclear
00:59:31
codes shouldn't we know what their brain looks like and I wrote an oped piece in
00:59:39
2008 when Brock Obama was running against John McCain arguing for don't
00:59:44
you think we should scan presidential candidates and yeah I don't think either
00:59:50
one of their brains would be healthy and that concerns me because I mean what do
00:59:57
we need for our top politicians judgment
01:00:03
forethought impulse control okay so pling Devil's Advocate to that if we started to do that at the very highest
01:00:11
office in the land then that philosophy might creep down to lower offices in the land and when you go and try and get a
01:00:18
job at I don't know a restaurant or a marketing agency it might become the norm that there's a almost brain
01:00:25
discrimination or brain Prejudice in play where someone like me they have their brain scan they go listen this
01:00:30
guy's he's not going to be very good at focusing it's an interesting question I
01:00:35
have to tell you if you date one of my children for more than four months I'm
01:00:41
Gonna Get You scanned really I'm gonna figure out how to do that it's the rule
01:00:47
in my family um and if you have a bad brain it doesn't mean you can't come
01:00:52
back but are you smart enough to fix it that would be the question have you done
01:00:59
that well my son-in-law Jesse who I love his mother has paranoid
01:01:06
schizophrenia I'm like I want to scan your brain and I have he actually wrote
01:01:13
a book called change Your Brain before 25 and he opens the book with the story
01:01:22
of his scan and him sitting with me he's 6'4 I'm 5'6 and he said he' never felt
01:01:29
so small and yeah no that's the rule in my family
01:01:37
I like I said when I met my wife I really liked her and the first naked
01:01:42
part of her I wanted to see was her brain and so three weeks into our relationship I'm like hey you haven't
01:01:49
seen the clinic don't you want to see the clinic she came I scanned her and
01:01:55
it passed do you use her brain against
01:02:01
her I bet you do I bet you do no we spoke to Tana she said you
01:02:09
do you'll telling me there's not been one time where you've brought up her brain in a moment of conflict or
01:02:15
arguments not once cuz I will call Tana I I don't yeah no because you know what
01:02:21
I do and this is this is on par with killing the ants I do an exercise with
01:02:27
my patients called The onepage Miracle on one piece of paper write down what you want Rel and in a very specific way
01:02:36
what do you want your relationships your work your money your physical emotional
01:02:43
and spiritual health what do you want and with her cuz she's on the top of my
01:02:51
list I want a kind caring loving supportive passionate relationship I
01:02:58
always want that I don't always feel like that rude thoughts come into my
01:03:04
head and if I've slept and I've eaten I never say them why because it doesn't
01:03:10
get me what I want right and that's not selfish people go oh but you know what
01:03:17
you want is but what I want is not selfish it's good because Hedonism is the enemy of
01:03:25
happiness but happiness is a moral obligation because of how you impact
01:03:30
other people your brain's so smart but you have to tell it what you want and
01:03:36
every major business including mine we have a one-page strategic plan we know
01:03:42
what we want and we know what we're going to do this quarter and this
01:03:48
year but people don't do that in their lives and you think they should have like a life plan every person should
01:03:56
what do you want is your behavior getting you what you want do you think
01:04:02
the brain almost conspires to make to fit what you want I the brain once
01:04:07
you're clear on what you want I guess your actions will change a little bit and then your brain will change shape to fit what you said you wanted yes and the
01:04:15
brain is lazy the brain does what you allow it to do and
01:04:24
it's habitual I was talking to one of my patients about this yesterday um because
01:04:30
we were working on his one-page miracle and he's like you know I could be more
01:04:37
positive and I go it's a habit to be negative or to be positive which
01:04:43
highways are you building in your brain positive highways or negative highways
01:04:49
accurate highways or distorted highways you build that and if you watch the news
01:04:55
they'll become more distorted because it's yeah in my book the end of mental illness I did
01:05:02
something it was very fun for me to do I imagined if I was an evil ruler and I wanted to create mental illness what
01:05:09
would I do and watching the news I think it was there's 62 evil ruler strategies
01:05:15
and I think that's like 12 um because the news is no longer the news
01:05:24
the news is about eyeballs and selling things and negativity sells if I can
01:05:32
scare you that will sell and so um you
01:05:37
have to be very careful with what you allow in your brain and yes you should be informed but not over and over and
01:05:44
over and over again people who start the day with the news are 27% less happy in
01:05:51
the afternoon well I listen to lots of True Crime in
01:05:56
serial killer things like every day are you telling me it's so funny I
01:06:02
have this show on Instagram called scan my brain I take influential people and
01:06:08
scan them and I did Megan Trainer uh the musician I love her music and she goes I
01:06:17
can't sleep and every night before bed she's listening to True Crime and I'm like stop that do you think it is cuz I
01:06:24
listen to True Crime before bed I have this exercise that I recommend to all my
01:06:30
patients I've done it for 10 years what went well when I go to
01:06:36
bed I start at the beginning of the day and just go hour by hour looking for
01:06:44
what went right about my day I think that's set your dreams up to be more positive I think it's i' do both and
01:06:53
then i' just see which one works better for you every day win or learn what is
01:07:00
the ey in bright Minds immunity and infections so do you know your vitamin D
01:07:05
level no but I do take the only supplement that I've take frequently I'd
01:07:11
say there's two is vitamin D and omega-3 but I've because I'm black as well I you
01:07:18
need more vitamin D so uh people have darker skin need
01:07:25
an going from Africa where there's a lot of sun to the UK where there's no sun
01:07:32
dramatically increase the risk of mental health problems yeah because of vitamin D deficiencies do you know what I think
01:07:39
there's a certain member of my family who I won't name who went from Africa they're they've got two Nigerian parents
01:07:47
went from Africa to the UK and I saw their mental health deteriorate quite significantly to the point that we
01:07:53
believe this person might have bipolar now and I I I part of me suspects once I
01:07:59
learn about vitamin D deficiency in people that have darker skin this person
01:08:04
has very very very very black skin um that it might be associated with that change being in a new country that has
01:08:10
no sunlight for 30 years when you're you know black black you bet yeah and it's
01:08:16
part of so if you see mental health as brain health then
01:08:23
that becomes a critical intervention if you're not paying attention to brain health then you're like well what
01:08:30
anticho or what mood stabilizer can I give them and I very well may use an
01:08:36
anticho or a mood stabilizer but if I get your brain healthy you might not need it or you'll
01:08:43
need half the dose so and and then infections I mean we're just coming out
01:08:49
of a pandemic and coid changes your brain in a bad way it causes um like a a
01:08:59
inflammatory bomb to go off in your brain I was on the Kardashian show last
01:09:04
year because I scanned Kendall Kendall came to see me and obviously I was on the show so it
01:09:11
was public knowledge and it was postco and her emotional brain just was on
01:09:18
fire uh and that's what we saw with Co and long Co emotional brain is hot but
01:09:26
then the cortex begins to um get low in activity it's it's a
01:09:33
bad combination why what does that mean it's like chronic damage and what does that mean if the in terms of behavior
01:09:40
what's the implications for Behavior so the hot limic brain tense
01:09:47
anxiety that she hadn't had um if you start damaging your cortex and all of a
01:09:53
sudden you're sad you're impulsive you're irritable you uh can get dark
01:10:00
thoughts sometimes even suicidal thoughts and people got coid significantly increase in
01:10:10
dementia someone who's listening to this right now that is depressed clinically depressed um or
01:10:17
just feels you know depressive symptoms where did you start let's go to the extreme end someone that can't get
01:10:23
themselves out of bed I sat here with Jay pinkit and she told me that she was clinically depressed and she if she just
01:10:31
got to 4 p.m. every day to her that was a victory there are lots of people out there that are in that situation right
01:10:38
now where did you start with those people what advice do you give them because I'm sure you see a lot of them in your
01:10:44
practice it starts with awareness yeah that maybe this is not me maybe it's my
01:10:51
brain mhm and then it starts with loving your brain and then investigating your brain because
01:10:58
depression is like chest pain so if you if somebody's like had chest pain you're
01:11:04
like well where would you start well you start with an evaluation you wouldn't start with drugs I mean that would be
01:11:11
like ludicrous you would like go why do you have chest pain why are you depressed you know how's your thyroid
01:11:19
right the person that can't get off the couch they're they could be
01:11:25
hypothyroid or one of my friends got depressed she had anemia she had
01:11:30
pernicious anemia because it was a B12 deficiency I I wouldn't assume oh you're
01:11:37
depressed take this medicine depression is what it is it's not why it is and if you don't know why
01:11:45
it is how do you effectively treat something like so many people come to me and they go I have an autoimmune
01:11:50
disorder it's like well why do you have an autoimmune disorder order why is your body so mad at you it's attacking itself
01:11:57
and so because my body's broken but why is your body broken right and and I I hate the term
01:12:04
broken right the the series like the broken brain and it's like no it's not
01:12:11
optimized let's optimize it right I never want my patients to think of them
01:12:16
as mental and I never want them to think of themselves as broken you're awesome
01:12:23
so how can I help you be maybe 10% more awesome people feel like their brain is
01:12:29
against them is working against them when they're feeling depression or those chronic cycles of negative thinking why
01:12:36
is my brain attacking me why is it against me so part of it is it's not healthy and part of it's
01:12:43
undisciplined and I got to do a lecture last year for the coaching staff of the
01:12:49
Miami Heat it was so much fun for me and I'm really thinking a lot about Elite
01:12:58
Performance and I think it's just such a better model it's like let me help you
01:13:04
be your best rather than let me fix you and and I think someone like you I mean
01:13:11
it's like you're already awesome how can I make you more awesome how can I give you more
01:13:18
access to your own brain and it's just
01:13:23
it's easier to sell that than you know let me give you a diagnosis of a mental
01:13:30
illness and then let me give you a medicine you have to take for the rest of your life
01:13:36
this is the wrong model that Psychiatry is currently operating with really good
01:13:42
for the pharmaceutical industry really bad for our society 25% of the American
01:13:49
population is on psychiatric drugs that's just horrifying
01:13:54
is rin a psychiatric drug it is and I'm not opposed to psychiatric drugs be
01:14:00
really clear I'm actually really good with them it's never the first and only
01:14:05
thing I think about what is the n in bright mindes neuro
01:14:13
hormone if your hormones that affect your brain which are all of
01:14:19
them are not optimal you're not optimal and the DNS like if
01:14:25
you're um cold when other people are not we should look at your thyroid the D is
01:14:32
diabesity where your overweight Andor have high blood sugar it's the most
01:14:38
common of the 11 72% of people are overweight and as your weight goes
01:14:45
up you have 7 of the 11 risk factors it lowers blood flow to the brain it
01:14:50
prematurely ages the brain it increases inflammation it stores toxins it's a bad
01:14:56
thing and then the S is sleep I've got obsessed with my sleep recently I have my woop on pretty much
01:15:02
all the time and they're sponsor of this podcast I probably should say but I'm also like a equity shareholder in the
01:15:07
company but it's become one of my biggest obsessions in my life is waking up in the morning and looking at how I slept how much deep sleep restorative
01:15:13
sleep I've had my heart rate variability all that stuff I'm obsessed with it what does sleep do to my brain I guess you
01:15:19
said earlier that it kind of cleans it cleans it and refreshes it well we didn't even know that until I guess was
01:15:26
10 or 12 years ago where researchers saw
01:15:31
that the fluid system in your brain it's called the glymphatic system doesn't
01:15:37
open up when you're awake but when you're asleep it opens up and then sort
01:15:42
of cleans things washes things and so for those people like me who I thought I
01:15:48
was special because I could get by in four hours of sleep at night I'm sort of running around with a toxic brain or a
01:15:54
dirty brain and so what are those tox toxin so what is it cleaning have you
01:16:00
heard of beta ameloid which is a cluster of proteins that increases your risk of
01:16:07
Alzheimer's disease so they build up during the day system cleans it but if
01:16:12
you're not getting good sleep you have more of a toxic buildup of those kinds
01:16:18
of clumping proteins that are problematic for you
01:16:24
interesting interesting is there anything else people need to know about sleep in the brain because I think
01:16:30
everybody knows sleep is important a lot of people struggle with sleep sleep apnea triples the risk of Alzheimer's
01:16:37
disease one of the big lessons imaging has taught me that I can actually see
01:16:43
the pattern for sleep apne on a scan and it looks like early Alzheimer's disease
01:16:49
it's bilateral parietal top back part of your brain decreases what is sleep upne
01:16:56
snore loudly stop breathing at night chronically tired the next day so when
01:17:04
you sleep you're breathing um you have many apnic episodes where you stop
01:17:11
breathing and so and if you're sleeping alone you actually might not know it
01:17:17
because no one's being woken up by your snoring um and even people who've been diagnosed
01:17:27
with it don't treat it because they don't want to wear the mask at night and
01:17:33
I'm like no you have to treat it otherwise the worst thing you can do for your brain is starve it of oxygen that's
01:17:42
the worst thing you can do for your brain so breath work then must be quite good for the brain breath work is good
01:17:48
for the brain um one of my tiny habits I have many of them for brain health is
01:17:55
the 15sec breath uh 8 seconds in hold it for a second and a half 4 seconds out
01:18:01
hold it for a second and a half do that four times eight times it'll break a
01:18:07
panic attack do it on a routine basis it'll increase your heart rate
01:18:12
variability breath work will breath work heart rate variability is this metric
01:18:17
that I think Society much of society have suddenly become quite obsessed with including me me and my friends literally have a heart rate very ability contest
01:18:23
every morning where we like screenshot our high rate varability and drop it into the chat and some of my friends are trying to increase theirs one of my
01:18:29
friends called it's my friend called Ash I mentioned him earlier on his has been quite low so he's kind of been trying to
01:18:35
get it up um I guess we're goingon to have to ask two questions here which is what is h variability and the second
01:18:41
question is how do I improve it in your view so again you can't change what you don't measure and now people who wear
01:18:47
Apple watches or AA Rings or devices that measure it
01:18:53
heart rate variability is the beatto beat variability of your heart rate and
01:18:59
people go oh well my heart rate should beat the same well no actually the more
01:19:05
variable it is BU bum bum rather than bum bum bum bum
01:19:12
bum bum um I first heard about heart rate variability with babies that when a
01:19:19
baby is being born they actually put a scalp monitor on it and they look at the
01:19:25
heart rate variability of the baby and if it's very variable it's bouncing all
01:19:32
over the place well it's a sign of heart health when it flattens and becomes even
01:19:38
like it's just 70 they go get the baby because that mean the baby is in trouble doesn't make
01:19:45
any sense ises it it's like counterintuitive it's a little bit counterintuitive but if your heart rate
01:19:51
variability is low you have a higher risk of anxiety depression and heart
01:19:59
disease dying early I mean there's this huge connection between your brain health and your heart health and so
01:20:08
meditation increases heart rate variability breath work increases heart
01:20:15
rate variability exercise can increase heart rate variability good sleep and
01:20:20
good sleep hygiene can and increase it ants decrease heart rate
01:20:28
variability I stopped drinking alcohol for this very reason people don't know this but I I mean I've probably mentioned it twice now on air but I quit
01:20:36
drinking alcohol about a month and a half ago I think and part of the reason is when I wore my whoop and then I had I
01:20:43
don't know one glass of wine or two glasses or three glasses of wine the day before when I woke up the next day my
01:20:48
heart rate variability was like flashing red it was 30 40 typically on a great
01:20:54
day my heart rate variability is 150 140 which is strong really strong I know
01:21:00
this CU I compete with my friends but on a day where I had a glass of alcohol it'd be flashing red and it would be 40
01:21:06
also if I was sick it would be 40 also if I had a really stressful unslept day
01:21:12
the day before it would also be 40 and the fact that alcohol was causing my heart to respond the same as a awfully
01:21:19
stressful unslept day or coid I thought [ __ ] [ __ ] that and I've so
01:21:26
that's part of the reason I quit drinking alcohol and now that you have brain Envy yeah you're going to have a
01:21:33
healthier brain if you keep it away because alcohol lies to us alcohol lies
01:21:39
to us alcohol causes damage in the brain really even a little bit of alcohol
01:21:45
causes damage in the brain it disrupts something called white matter so gray
01:21:50
matter nerve cell body white matter nerve cell tracks so white matter is the highways in your brain
01:21:58
that transmit information and impulses and even a little bit of alcohol has
01:22:05
been shown to disrupt the white matter in your brain I don't want anything messing with the highways in my brain
01:22:11
but I love that you measured it you made the connection and then you stopped it
01:22:17
it's a sign of intelligent life because you love yourself
01:22:24
alcohol because there's a lot of people that are sat on the fence right now with alcohol they probably don't have a
01:22:29
really bad relationship with it they're probably not alcoholics but they kind of just they have it because society's
01:22:35
constructed in such a way that on a Friday evening when the waiter comes over and puts down the wine list you just go okay whatever that's who I was I
01:22:41
was just on the fence my friend one of my best friends was an alcoholic so I understand why he quit because he had
01:22:48
this really dysfunctional relationship with it that would ruin his life I'm the type of person that would have one drink
01:22:54
two drinks and then I'd maybe stop I didn't feel the need to have 3 4 S 19 he
01:22:59
was different and also because of that there was no adverse consequences in my life so when I went away with him
01:23:05
recently he's writing a book on um alcohol and alcoholism he was telling me
01:23:10
about the book and I was going I personally wouldn't read that book because I don't feel like I have a
01:23:16
problem with alcohol this was before I quit so I was like what I would love from a book this is just me personally
01:23:22
is a book that made the case to people who are kind of sat on the fence that a drink or a beer or a glass of wine just
01:23:28
cuz I don't know Society is constructed in such a way where it's hard to avoid um but they could go for a mocktail if
01:23:35
someone gave them some performance-based evidence that alcohol just even a little
01:23:40
bit the the casual drinking actually matters so this is where you come in
01:23:47
doctor one of my biggest uh Instagram posts
01:23:53
was I told you so um the American Cancer Society came out and said any alcohol increases your
01:24:01
risk of seven different types of cancer and I've been talking about this for 30
01:24:06
years because I have scans and people who drink any alcohol have lower
01:24:12
activity than people who don't drink at all and obviously alcoholics they have
01:24:18
terrible looking brains um don't do that but you got to ask yourself why and
01:24:27
remember we talked about the one-page miracle what do you want relationships work money physical emotional spiritual
01:24:34
health so where does alcohol come in to that oh well it helps me relaxed well
01:24:41
the 15-second breath will help you relax but there are no side effects to it that
01:24:46
will increase your heart rate variability alcohol will decrease heart rate variability and brain function and
01:24:53
if it decreases brain function it decreases decision making as a
01:24:59
psychiatrist 30% 40% of the people I see they initially come to my office because
01:25:05
it's somehow alcohol related bite with their spouse problems with their kids
01:25:12
whatever I'm so impressed you notice the difference with heart rate variability and then you stopped yeah cuz I I'm I'm
01:25:19
off I was offensive with alcohol and it's crazy Now understand how difficult it is to stop in our society I was
01:25:25
telling my team I quit and I went for dinner with a guy called SRX everyone know SRX he's a DJ sunny and this was a
01:25:31
week after I'd quit sat in the restaurant the waiter comes over bless him and he goes here's the wine list I
01:25:37
go I I don't drink alcohol he goes he goes and gets a bottle of wine and he puts it next to me and goes this is not
01:25:44
alcohol this is Art I'm going to leave it next to you just in case you get tempted and Sunny's Sunny to his credit
01:25:50
is telling this waiter no he doesn't drink this waight is having none of it and in that moment I
01:25:57
understood how difficult it is to quit in society that we've built where every
01:26:02
social interaction apparently needs to be fueled by alcohol and if you say no
01:26:07
you're either weird or someone will try and change your mind or persuade you otherwise it's just the culture we have
01:26:13
the evil ruler Society I talk that's an evil ruler strategy the food pushers the drug pushers the alcohol pushers um for
01:26:22
me I just I look at people like that and it's like so why do you want me to drink when I don't want to what's it what's
01:26:29
going on with you yeah and I usually shut some down um but why interesting
01:26:38
question when you go to a restaurant the first thing they do is put bread on the
01:26:44
table and ask if you want alcohol because both of them drop your frontal
01:26:50
loes both of them make it more likely you're going to order more and spend
01:26:57
more money at the restaurant so the bread is an investment on their part
01:27:02
because bread gives you a sugar spike a blood sugar Spike which then pushes
01:27:08
serotonin in your brain and makes you happy but serotonin drops frontal lobe
01:27:15
function one thing they never tell you when they give you an SSRI for depression is oh you're going to become
01:27:22
a little bit more impulsive because it's going to drop your frontal loes and then alcohol which also drops
01:27:29
your frontal loes so you'll drop more cash in the restaurant question then on
01:27:34
this point of alcohol if I took two people off the street let's say they do everything in
01:27:41
their lives the same other than what I'm about to say I gave one of them a casual
01:27:46
drink for the next decade just maybe two drinks a week three drinks a week for
01:27:52
the the next decade and the other person was completely sober for the next decade when you looked at their brain at 10
01:27:58
years time if they were doing everything the same would you see a difference yes the person who is drinking two or three
01:28:04
times a week will have less blood flow in their brain and will that have changed the shape of their brain yes
01:28:11
it'll be a little bit more shrivel and then that means their behavior is going to change as well they'll have a little
01:28:17
bit less impulse control and when you look at the brain of a little bit less impulse control when you're doing hard
01:28:23
things like marriage it's not a good thing or
01:28:28
raising children or managing a business it's like you don't want a little bit
01:28:35
worse decision sex sex and libido a lot of people are struggling with their sex
01:28:41
lives getting an erection getting aroused men and women the brain and
01:28:47
sex I imagine you have people come to you and go listen me and my wife me me and my partner me and my husband we've
01:28:53
stopped having sex I've lost my libido when you hear that and you offer people
01:28:58
advice on libido and sex what is brain right your sex life gets better in large part it's about blood
01:29:05
flow and if you're having erectile dysfunction or low libido um you got to
01:29:14
go well why is what are the risk factors with that and many of them relate to
01:29:21
what's going on in your brain and I I so often people go I did everything you
01:29:27
said and my wife's so much happier with our sex life
01:29:34
um you have to check your hormones I think that's very important you have to deal with whatever sexual trauma might
01:29:42
be there um the biggest sex organ in the body is your brain if there's no
01:29:49
forethought there's no foreplay and so it's about the decisions that you
01:29:57
make what else do I need to know about sex if I'm trying to get my partner in the mood and I'm trying to make them aroused you know it depends on their
01:30:03
brain okay right so if your partner has
01:30:08
a very busy frontal Lo that part called the anterior singular gyrus you can't go
01:30:17
come on let's have sex because you've met people with the automatic know that
01:30:23
no matter what you say they're going to say the opposite of it or they're going to fuss with it I mean it's like it's a
01:30:28
nice day today oh no it was nicer yesterday I mean even simple things so you want to want to have sex no
01:30:35
um I was at this lecture once and somebody came up to me at a break and
01:30:41
said you've helped me so much um I thought my wife just didn't love me and what I realized is that part
01:30:48
of her brain was just working too hard so now I ask everything in the opposite
01:30:55
it's like oh like if I wanted to go to the store she'd never want to go with me and i' go so now what I do is I go I'm
01:31:03
going to go to the store you probably don't want to come what do you mean I don't want to come of course I want to come he said but doesn't sound right to
01:31:11
say well you probably don't want to have sex oh I go okay I know her brain do
01:31:17
this and I gave him natural things to boost serotonin so I said take her out
01:31:23
for a pasta dinner so I'm not a fan of pasta generally except for these people
01:31:29
take her out for pasta dinner because pasta increases serotonin then take her for a walk around the lake because
01:31:37
exercise increases serotonin then give her a piece of dark chocolate not too
01:31:44
many because if you get her too many she'll have no need for you but dark chocolate has pea in it fenoy
01:31:51
means that alerts your brain that something fun is about to happen and
01:31:58
then put on a little baby powder because baby powder it's been shown
01:32:04
scientifically is a natural aphrodesiac for women because what do women unconsciously associate to baby powder
01:32:12
babies and unconsciously they want one and
01:32:17
then rub her back and don't ask for anything directly and from about day
01:32:23
four to about day 18 of her menstrual cycle you're likely to get lucky why
01:32:28
from day four to day 18 because she's the last week of a woman's menstrual
01:32:34
cycle especially people who have this brain type tend to be more irritable is
01:32:40
that before their period it's before the period okay so the week before their period is when she two weeks before
01:32:47
their period is generally the best time do men and women have different brains
01:32:52
significant wildly so so this whole thing about you can't put your gender on
01:32:58
your medical forms is just insanely stupid uh because gender matters like
01:33:06
estrogen and testosterone they matter when it comes to brain function I
01:33:11
published a study on 46,000 scans looking at the differences
01:33:17
between male and female brains and they're wild uh uh women have much
01:33:23
better frontal loes function much better blood flow to the front part of their brain which makes them which makes them
01:33:31
good leaders if you think of impulse control and collaboration and
01:33:39
communication and the one statistic that just hammers this home is who goes to jail men 14 times more than women but
01:33:50
women get depressed twice as much as men because their limbic or emotional brain
01:33:56
is much busier than the male brain and that's why in every um Human Society
01:34:03
women are primary caretakers for children um women have a bigger nesting
01:34:09
Instinct so I told you we moved recently and moving is much harder on women in
01:34:16
general than it is in men because they feel like they lose their nest and they have to redo their nest and I was an
01:34:23
Army psychiatrist for seven years and I used to always tell the guys I'm like when you move you stay home and help her
01:34:30
put the house together because she's going to be way happier uh for you on
01:34:35
that impulse control but I remember reading the statistics that men suffer with gambling addictions and betting
01:34:41
addictions significantly more than women drug addictions alcohol ad five times
01:34:47
more than women um but women get
01:34:53
help because they're not afraid to ask for help where for men it's often a
01:34:59
macho thing it's like there's nothing the matter with me which is why women
01:35:05
attempt suicide three to four times more than males but males kill themselves
01:35:13
three to five four times more than women do because men use more violent means
01:35:18
and men aren't communicating I'm in
01:35:24
trouble saas SAA an exercise on the brain good good for the
01:35:31
brain so I'm a huge fan of saunas uh because of the studies mostly from
01:35:40
northern Europe people take the most saunas have the lowest incidence of Alzheimer's disease and I told you about
01:35:47
my Mercury detoxing is really important and you can detox in a lot of different
01:35:52
ways but sauna is one of the most effective ways um exercise is you want
01:35:59
to stay young walk like you're late if you're 80 and you can walk three miles
01:36:05
an hour you have a 90% chance of living until you're 90 if you can only walk a mile an hour you have a 90% chance
01:36:11
you're not going to live until you're 90 so exercise boosts blood flow it
01:36:19
increases uh brain Dr dve neurotrophic Factor it increases serotonin increases
01:36:25
dopamine um another interesting thing is should you do cold plunges because cold
01:36:32
plunges have been found to fairly dramatically increase dopamine so you
01:36:37
should do cold plunges not if you have heart problems so if you have heart problems I wouldn't do that but if you
01:36:44
have inflammation if you have pain if you tend to be depressed there's
01:36:50
evidence cold plunges can be helpful what about weight in the brain when you look at someone who is
01:36:58
clinically obese and you look at their brain what do you see and if I'm trying to lose weight what do I need to know
01:37:03
about the brain you know I've thought a lot about
01:37:09
this because I have obesity in my family um as your weight goes up the size and
01:37:17
function of your brain goes down and that's horrifying
01:37:22
fine people who are and our society is against us I mean you just I wrote a
01:37:28
book called The Brain Warrior way and I argue you're in a war for the health of
01:37:33
your brain everywhere you go someone's trying to shove bad food down your throat that will kill you I can see the
01:37:40
emotion in your face when you say this yeah uh it's just horrifying you know to think of Carl's Jr that'll take these
01:37:48
you know Charlotte McKinna or Katherine Webb these beautiful women and have them
01:37:53
eat cheeseburgers and it's unconsciously people are like if you eat those Burgers
01:38:00
these women will want you well these women have spit buckets on those SATs
01:38:05
where every time they take a bite they spit it out because they never have those bodies if they ate that food we
01:38:12
are being manipulated and it is causing what I think is one of the greatest epidemics
01:38:20
ever uh obesity and as you're overweight lower blood flow aging
01:38:27
inflammation stores toxins makes you feel awful about
01:38:32
yourself takes healthy testosterone we talked about you know why the low takes
01:38:38
healthy testosterone and turns it into unhealthy cancer promoting forms of
01:38:45
estrogen it's just a disaster what's happening I think
01:38:51
you have to start counting your calories and you know I run up against all sorts
01:38:56
of scientists go calories don't count it's complete crap now the quality of
01:39:02
your calories is just as important but don't eat more than you need and we live
01:39:09
in a society where we're eating way too much and people don't know if you think
01:39:15
of the Cheesecake Factory and these monster portions it's like that's insane
01:39:22
um and it's a big thing that changed but the Obesity epidemic really started as
01:39:28
the US government uh among others demonized um
01:39:35
fat everything became low fat in the 80s low fat low
01:39:41
cholesterol and they put sugar in things to replace it in fact it just came out recently it
01:39:48
was in the 60s that some of the sugar companies paid scientists to say it's
01:39:54
fat not sugar and it damaged millions of
01:40:00
people last thing I wanted to ask you about is well there's really two outstanding questions that I have for
01:40:06
you Doctor the first one is about screen time people want to know does screen
01:40:11
time this generation that have grown up 11 hours a day on a screen or social media up to 11 hours a day According to
01:40:18
some studies does that have an impact on my brain it does it shrinks it it's sad
01:40:24
I mean what it does is it wears out your pleasure centers so you have these two
01:40:30
areas in your brain called the nucleus accumbens and they respond to dopamine
01:40:38
and they bring you happiness and they bring you pleasure and they bring you motivation and they bring you
01:40:43
drive and when you're hitting
01:40:48
them like every buzz on your phone every notification every time you scroll and
01:40:56
you like something you just got a little hit of dopamine well the more you do it
01:41:02
pretty soon you thrill them to death you begin to wear out those pleasure centers
01:41:10
and if let's just take Fame for example I've been blessed to see Justin Bieber
01:41:15
and Miley Cyrus and a whole bunch of really fascinating cool people who been
01:41:21
really depressed it's like how can you be depressed you're Justin Bieber or how can you believe you're not enough right
01:41:28
because their pleasure centers get worn out by being noticed over and over and
01:41:34
over again well when you allow that in your brain the screen time three and a
01:41:39
half hours if you're on for three and a half hours a day you have an increased
01:41:45
risk of anxiety depression addiction obesity ADHD and our society's on way
01:41:52
more than that and you go so why are we having this epidemic of uh teenage suicide and
01:41:59
mental health problems especially in teenage girls social media it's one of the big issues of the day and not only
01:42:07
are you wearing out your pleasure centers you hate yourself because you think everybody's better than you are
01:42:13
it's the comparison dragon that is damaging
01:42:18
you my last question is about happiness which we're talking about
01:42:24
there I spoke to I think it was tally shot that told me happiness takes on
01:42:29
this kind of interesting Arc throughout our lives where at the start of Our Lives we're a little bit happier then in
01:42:36
the middle of our Lives we're little bit sadder and then as we age we go back into being happy now I was contrasting
01:42:43
that information to what you said about how the brain Withers with age if the brain is withering with age then how
01:42:49
come a lot of of neuroscientists think that happiness resembles this kind of U shape in our lives where in the middle
01:42:55
of our Lives we're less happy the start and the end we're more
01:43:02
happy that's a great question we're less
01:43:08
striving as we age right so after 65 70
01:43:15
we've sort of done much of the hard things that we need to do and so
01:43:22
depression also goes up with age too and obviously dementia goes up with age so I
01:43:30
think it's because I don't have to accomplish things which makes the middle
01:43:35
part so hard so we're more satisfied with the nature of Our Lives because we're not trying to well if if we are
01:43:44
right if if we're not then that becomes a problem and increases the risk of
01:43:49
depression it's complicated though isn't it because you know you get older you probably have less connections as well so that's a
01:43:55
confounding factor and yeah so I wouldn't I mean I I I have seen that
01:44:01
research and I wrote a book on happiness uh because you know when I write a book it'll take me six to nine
01:44:08
months to write it and I'm like so what do I really want to think about for this next six to n months and I loved it
01:44:16
because like negative thinking is a bad habit is
01:44:24
happiness is also a habit and when I go to bed and I go what went well today I'm
01:44:30
feeding happiness or throughout the day if I look for the micro moments of
01:44:35
happiness you know what's the smallest thing that's going to happen today that's going to make me happy then I'm
01:44:42
just happier I I hear all of this and I read all of this in your books and one of the
01:44:47
things I've really taken away personally is because I have so much information what I need to do is select a couple of
01:44:53
these habits and basically put them into my calendar like you talked about the breath work and you talked about the
01:44:59
Gratitude exercise at night and those kinds of things what I need to do is get a couple of them and just insert them
01:45:05
into my calendar because you know if they're not scheduled they probably won't happen in their life as busy as mine so as well as making small sort of
01:45:12
changes to the you know maybe dietry things or water or whatever it might be drinking a little bit less caffeine I've
01:45:18
already quit alcohol make sure I focus on my sleep some of these I want to make routines in my life so that's what I'm going to do
01:45:24
that's what I'm going to take away from this we have a closing tradition on this podcast where the last guest leaves a
01:45:29
question for the next guest not knowing who they're going to be leaving it for and the question that's been left for you is quite perfect I think what have
01:45:36
you changed your mind about in the last
01:45:41
decade well the first thing that comes to my mind is this
01:45:48
idea that I got from Dennis prick which is happiness is a moral
01:45:55
obligation I never thought of it that way I grew up Roman Catholic that idea
01:46:02
was nowhere in my family it was nowhere
01:46:07
in the Catholic school I went to and and I'm grateful for my education uh and I'm
01:46:14
grateful for my faith but it was about should
01:46:21
and shaming rather than
01:46:27
elevation and the fact that happiness is a moral obligation there's this video that
01:46:34
Dennis prer produced that I just love called why be happy
01:46:39
and and I never thought
01:46:46
that how I feel influences everybody around
01:46:53
me that if I'm unhappy that's not just about me that's
01:47:00
about everybody I come in contact with so working on
01:47:07
myself is the most loving thing I can do for other
01:47:13
people Daniel G amen thank you so much thank you for an
01:47:19
amazing conversation and also thank you for taking the time to look at my brain um and you're totally right now that I
01:47:24
have the awareness that that brain even exists having seen it it's almost like I feel like it's like a Pablo my dog I now
01:47:31
feel a responsibility to take care of it and I think that that coupled with everything that you've imparted on me
01:47:37
about the fact that I can do something about it for me is life-changing and you
01:47:43
know I I could have sat here all day and read tens of thousands of comments that I saw online um about the work that
01:47:48
you're doing to help people live happier healthy healthier lives and the consequence that has for Generations I
01:47:55
think is maybe the most special thing of all because if you can tilt someone's brain in a better Direction you're not
01:48:00
just tilting their brain in a better Direction you're tilting generations to come um of brains in a better Direction
01:48:07
and that alone will tilt Society in a better Direction and that's exactly the work that you're doing so I know we
01:48:12
talked about your father last time around um you know often times we don't get the
01:48:19
praise from uh our parents that I guess we we always longed for but I really
01:48:26
hope you understand how proud everyone is of you all the patience that you've
01:48:34
invested time and love and energy in all the people that listened to this show that were tilted in a better Direction
01:48:40
because of you and me as well my life's been tilted in a better Direction because of you so thank you thank you so
01:48:47
much what a joy
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