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four of my patients have a billion followers Justin Bieber niley Cyrus
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Bella Hadid and we looked at their brains and what we found is thank you so
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much Dr Ayman Dr Daniel Eamon he's a clinical neuroscientist New York Times
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best-selling author one of America's leading psychiatrists and brain health experts why do you do what you do I have
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to do what I do someone I love tried to kill herself and she [Music]
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would have died I think I would have always been left with a hole in my soul
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most psychiatric illnesses are not mental illnesses they're brain health issues when you re-imagine mental health
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is brain health changes everything so you want to damage your brain do not
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engage in new learning don't ever eat fish never floss play football marijuana
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alcohol nicotine caffeine it's a drug you want to keep your brain healthy
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Dr Eamon why do you do what you do
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it's uh part of my soul I have to do what I do
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um the short story so I got to do what I do is when I was 18
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Vietnam was still going on and I had a low draft number and I became an
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infantry medic where my love of medicine was born but about a year into it I
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realized I didn't like being shot at it was irritating it was horrifying and I
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got myself retrained as an x-ray technician and just developed a passion for medical
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imaging as our professors used to say how do you know unless you look
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and that became a theme for my life and
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then I got out of the Army in 1975 and finished college and when I was a second
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year medical student someone I love tried to kill herself and I was horrified I had no idea what
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to do and I took her to see the chief of the Department of Psychiatry where I
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went to medical school and I realized if he helped her it wouldn't just help her
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that ultimately it would help her children and even her grandchildren as
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they would be shaped by someone who was happier and more stable I fell in love with Psychiatry 1979. so
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44 years ago and I've loved it every day since but I fell in love with the only medical
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specialty that never looks at the organ it treats
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and even back then I'm like why aren't we looking at the brain I mean obviously the brain is the organ of depression the
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brain is the organ of bipolar disorder the brain is the organ of anxiety why
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aren't we looking at it and they said that's the future we will but not yet
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and growing up my dad thought I was sort of a pain in the ass he called me a
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Maverick because I didn't just accept what he said and it turns out he's true
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and I'm pushing we should be looking at the brain
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in 1991 so I've been a psychiatrist almost a decade I went to my first lecture on brain spec
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Imaging spect is a nuclear medicine study that looks at blood flow and activity it looks at how your brain
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works and basically shows us three things good activity too little or too much
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and then it rocked my world I mean explosion in
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my world it's like I have to look why no unless I look and the lessons
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just kept coming that the first lesson most psychiatric
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illnesses are not mental illnesses their brain health issues if I get your
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brain healthy well your mind tends to follow because your brain the physical
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Moment by moment functioning of your brain creates your mind and if your
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brain isn't healthy your mind isn't healthy so that was the first lesson and
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I'm like these these are not mental illnesses and
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when you re-imagine mental health is brain health changes everything it
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changed everything I do as a psychiatrist most psychiatrists you come you go to them and you go I'm depressed
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and then they'll give you a diagnosis with the same name of what you just told them to go you're depressed and then put
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you on an antidepressant which in large-scale studies work no better than placebo and I'm like so next lesson depression
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is like chest pain it doesn't tell you what causes it and it doesn't tell you what to do for it
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but we have whole Industries built on money for medicine for mental health
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conditions and I think it's complete crap because they're not looking at the
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organ they don't know is it from head trauma is it from an infection is it
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from a lousy diet is it from being sedentary is it
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because you don't know how to manage your mind and
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I then learned that mild traumatic brain injury is a major cause of psychiatric
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problems and nobody knows about it because they don't look at the Brian and it's just like a little kid so
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excited I still am 32 years later we've done 225
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000 scans and it's it's it's so fun to be in the
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future helping people get well so I have to do it I know that's a long answer I like
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long answers you'll come to learn that um you've written so many books and you
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seem to have the same energy you've always had about this subject matter when you sort of if you were to encapsulate or to summarize
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the mission that you're on which is the source of all that energy what is that mission that you're on
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the mission is to end the concept of mental illness
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by creating a revolution in brain help
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and that mission just evolved you know
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my mission when I graduated from medical school was to be a really good psychiatrist because it's personal to me
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and to be a writer I wrote my first book the year I graduated from medical school
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and I found I loved the process that
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writing brings me joy that when I can take complex Concepts
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and make them really easy to understand and that's helpful to someone
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I love that that's joyful to me and that
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skill has served my career so well because my
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books bring a lot of people to we have 11 clinics around the US
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and they often come because they've read one of my books so they serve the
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purpose of educating and then allowing us to do the work we love doing if
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someone's listening to this and they've never really taken the time to learn about the brain before because they don't necessarily think it's so
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important they you know they understand things about dieting or whatever else but the brain they kind of just assume
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it's there right like a lot of people do what case would you make to them about the importance of
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positive healthy cognitive functions and brain
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health what is the case why does it matter to the ordinary person say if they don't have a psychiatric you know
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predicament they don't have a mental health disorder why does the brain matter to them because your brain's involved in everything you do how you
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think how you feel how you act how you get along with other people your brain
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is the organ of intelligence character and every single decision that you make
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and when your brain works right you work right and when your brain is troubled for
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whatever reason mold covid head trauma
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um not sleeping chronic stress when your brain's not right you're sadder sicker
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poorer less successful I got to scan Tony Robbins you know the
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famous success Guru and I love him and I love his work and I think he's so smart
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and he said publicly had mercury poisoning he decided he loved swordfish
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but it didn't love him back because it's loaded with Mercury
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and when we did a Facebook live I'm like you are the software of success
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but if the hardware is not working it's going to be really hard to implement the
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wonderful strategies that you teach and I always think of people in four big
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circles uh first week of medical school Sid Garrett our Dean he said never think
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of patience as by their diagnosis always think of them in these four big circles
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he went to the board and he drew the first Circle which was biology and for
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me it's like the physical functioning of your brain and body and that's why the
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scans are so important but then the second Circle he drew was psychology
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how's their mind working how are their thoughts are they loaded with a term I
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later coin called ants automatic negative thoughts the thoughts that come into your mind automatically and ruin
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you and also in this circle is development it's really the quality of
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your mind and then the third circle so if you think of the brain as the hardware of your soul
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the mind is the software that needs to be programmed so you got to get your brain healthy program your
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mind and then work on the Social Circle which is so what's going on in your life
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think pandemic that was a social disrupter but also how are your
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relationships how's your job how's your money and then the last Circle that most
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psychiatrists would never touch is the spiritual Circle it's like why
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the heck do you care what is your deepest sense of meaning and purpose
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and so I think assessing those four circles and working always to
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optimize them at the same time is critical for you being a whole
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healthy person but if your brain's not healthy because
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you played soccer and you had four concussions
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doing all the therapy it's not nearly as effective
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is getting your brain right and then doing the therapy I mean because I'm like a huge fan of therapy and I have my
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therapy patients that I love but it's Hardware software network
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connections always understanding someone's sense of purpose
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let's go into those four areas then just to pause on that though you mentioned Tony Robbins there when I was reading
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through your story it became apparent that you're quite the celebrity psychiatrist
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because a lot of celebrities have come out and said that they work with you
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give me a give me a taste do some name dropping give me a couple of examples
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um it's public knowledge Bella Hadid came out and said she stopped drinking because of me and then the newspaper
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tried to take my head off for that controversial psychiatrist gets Bella to stop drinking
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um dealing with haters is something I've become quite skilled at uh public
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knowledge my I've been to Miley Cyrus's doctor for 11 years I'm really proud of her she had the number one song in the
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world right now flowers and it's about self-love which makes me so happy I'm in
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Justin Bieber's docu-series Seasons because I've been his doctor
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um I love helping them you know I often say four of my patients have a billion
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followers so it's about influence because if the
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mission is to end mental illness by creating a revolution in brain health
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well you gotta have an army and so you might as well have an army with a lot of soldiers and so
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um it's it's a very disruptive concept because when you really understand it
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you realize we're living in a war and I'm serious about this everywhere
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you go someone's trying to give you bad food that will kill you early everywhere you go you hear negative news
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that's driving depression it's not the news it scares you so they can sell you
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stuff um everywhere you go someone's trying to put a gadget in your hand or your pocket
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that will steal your dopamine and give them the Mind share you should have
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and the incidence of diabetes is 50 of the population is
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diabetic or pre-diabetic obesity is 72 percent or overweight or obese I
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published three studies it shows your weight goes up the size and function of your brain goes down and people go you
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can't talk about that it's like no you can't not talk about that
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um Alzheimer's is expected to triple and depression has gone up 400 percent since
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Prozac came on the market so obviously that didn't fix it and so it's what my
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wife and I often refer to is the brain Warrior's Way
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you want to be armed and prepared to win the fight of your life
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that's so true I'm currently doing this glucose test as part of this company
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called Zoe I had Tim Spectrum the podcast he's one of the co-founders they do personalized nutrition it's this
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incredible company based out in the UK and so because I can see my glucose right now on my phone
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when I went into a gas station the other day or a petrol station as we say in the UK I looked around at my options and
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every single thing was bad for me every single thing in that gas station was sugar or processed carbohydrates the
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only thing I could get in that gas station was water and I said to my partner at the time so if you're hungry and it's also if you're stressed or
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tired you are going to eat this this this junk but anyway I'm going
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back to unless you plan unless you put stuff in your car
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uh or in your computer bag and when you really love yourself you
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take time and like you know for example the plastic water bottles are toxic that you
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just like turn them over and does it say a 204 or 5 on the recycle and like those
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are pretty good they don't Leach toxins narrowly as bad is one three six and
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seven and just knowing that I always say God gave us a big brain for a reason
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it's like when you get motivated this isn't hard brain health isn't hard being
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sick is hard brain health is not expensive being sick is expensive
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um you just plan a little bit better in terms of the hardware then which was the
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first circle of your four circles what can I do to make sure the hardware of my
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brain what are the most important things to be cognizant of to make sure my Hardware is in good shape so that I have
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a chance of my psychology and my my connections my spiritual Circle being I'm successful also
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so I I like looking um it's like
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the brain is one of the only organs that doctors virtually never screen you've
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looked at a lot of brains right almost looked at 230 000 Brands and
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I mean I'm obsessed with if you came to see me and you go you know I'm pretty
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good but I want to be great how's my brain and we would look at it
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and is it younger than you are because you have good habits is it older than
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you are because your habits aren't so good or or let's just say it has nothing to do with you your mom smoked when she
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was pregnant with you or she smoked when you were a baby and you're inhaling this
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secondhand smoke which is stealing a concept I call Brain Reserve so your
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brain health may have something to do with your habits or may have to do with
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habits of other people so I think the first thing it's a concept called brain
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Envy I often say Freud was wrong penis envy is not the cause of anybody's
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problem I've actually not seen it once in 40 years he was focused on the wrong
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organ it's the brain and Freud actually in 1895 said the brain science of my
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time is not up to the task of explaining patient symptoms
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which was true in 1895 so he went off and developed psychoanalysis and had a
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lot of really nutty ideas but some really great ideas brain Science Now can explain a lot of
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your symptoms so the first thing is to assess it and it's 1991 I ordered my first scan I
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started scanning everybody I know I scan my aunt who had a panic disorder I
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scanned my mother had gorgeous brain which fit her life and then I scanned myself and it wasn't awesome and because
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I played football in high school had meningitis when I was a young Soldier I had bad habits I wasn't
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sleeping I ate a lot of bad food and I was the top Neuroscience student in
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medical school but I didn't care about my own brain and when I saw it that's when I fell in love
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with it wanted my mother's brain the idea of brain envy and I've been in love
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with it ever since and one of my patients said when he saw his scan for
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the first time was like seeing one of his children and he knew he'd never heard it again and so
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that's step number one you want a healthy brain you got to care about it
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step two is you have to avoid things that hurt it and you just have to sort of know the less and step three is
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engage in regular brain healthy habits again you just have to know the list
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and the the simplest way and I love this and I I noticed throughout my books
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throughout the Arc of the evolution of my books the prescriptions get easier and easier because I'm always thinking
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how do I plant it so it takes root and grow and I work with BJ fog I don't know
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if you know Dr Fogg from Stanford he's in charge of the persuasive Tech Lab
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because basically how do people change and he said either they have an epiphany
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so when I saw my first scan it was an epiphany I didn't want an unhealthy
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brain because I I understand what that means for my life um but he said most people it's not the
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Epiphany it's the tiny habits it's like what's the smallest thing you can do today that will make the biggest
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difference and it comes down to the mother tiny habit so whenever you come
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to a decision point in your day like you're at the gas station
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is this you ask yourself this question takes three seconds is this good for my
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brain or bad for it and if you can answer that with information
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and love and this is very important love of yourself love of your mission love of
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your work you just start making better decisions and it whenever I say well you shouldn't
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do this and you shouldn't do that it just never works you gotta tie into
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I want something special for my life and this is going to get it for me and so if
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I'm at the gas station I'm looking at the waters and I'm like okay what's got a non-toxic bottle attached to it and
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I'm going for the nuts because you know people who have a fat based diet nuts
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and seeds green leafy vegetables healthy fish healthy oils
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have 42 percent less risk of getting Alzheimer's disease
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people have a simple carbohydrate-based diet so most of the
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stuff in the gas station bread pasta potatoes rice fruit juice
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and sugar the standard American diet have a 400
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percent increased risk of getting Alzheimer's disease a study from the Mayo Clinic and
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I love that you're monitoring your blood sugar I just love that so much because
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Alzheimer's disease people refer to it often as type 3 diabetes and one of the
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best things you can do for your health is make sure your fasting blood sugars
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under 90. and if it tends to run high you can go I take metformin for that
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or you can get rid of this simple carbohydrates in your diet
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so there's two things I was really compelled by as you were speaking in two directions I wanted to go in the first is I want to know the list when we talk
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about the things that are good and bad for the brain but just before we get on to that you said about how
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you have to pause during your day when you're making decisions and ask yourself is this good for my brain now I I often
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wonder why people know information but don't change you talked about the persuasive Tech Lab um I've always
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wondered what the connection between someone's self-worth and their ability to do the right thing when they're in
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that moment of making a decision for or against them because it's been my observation which has completely
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unproven that people who have and I wondered if you've seen this in your practice but people that have a
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maybe a more stressed life a lower sort of self-worth a lower sort of self-image of themselves tend to make short-term
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decisions that are less um constructive or Pro um positive for the brain but just generally in life
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anyway and I wondered if there's a link there I often I'm asking this question because I often wonder with some people that are close to me with some of my
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friends why they continue to make decisions that they objectively know
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aren't healthy they're not good for their you know their life their long-term prospects of
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relationships their health whatever it might be and I just it's a bit of a left-field question but is there a correlation in your view between one
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self-esteem their self-worth their self-image and their ability to sort of delay gratification and make the right
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Health decisions so it's actually connected the do you know about the
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marshmallow test I do yes I read about it so uh Walter Mitchell from Stanford would
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give children small children three four-year-old children an opportunity to either have a
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marshmallow now or two a bit later
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and the children who delayed gratification their self-esteem was
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better their success virtually in every area of their life was better now he
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later discovered you can actually train the ability to delay gratification
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there's another study at Stanford I love this study so much
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um they looked at 1541 10 year old children in 1921. it's
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the longest longevity study ever done and Lewis Turman psychologist at
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Stanford evaluated them and then he and others followed them for 90 years looking at
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what goes with health success and longevity
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and what he found was a bit shocking that the don't worry be happy people
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died the earliest from accidents and preventable illnesses and I always
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wanted to be that because I've never been that don't worry be a happy person I like show up on time I'm driven I'm
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motivated of all my books they all they get turned in a week or two early I'm
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like no conscientious and what they found was people who were
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conscientious lived the longest I said don't worry be happy person how do you define well it's my brother
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and I love my brother but he's 150 pounds overweight and he leaves work at
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three o'clock plays golf he just like doesn't care and for years I tried to
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help him get healthy and I even set him up with the cutest
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nutritionist who I trusted and he didn't show up and then I realized I was cared
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more about this than he was and it sort of broke my heart but it's that
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nonchalant attitude that's not taking things seriously and
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it'll kill him early and that breaks my heart can you tell me about the Journey of
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trying to help your brother because I think a lot of people listening to this have their own experience with trying to help someone that they love and it's a
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often resentful bitter failing battle I've been there myself so let me switch
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it to my dad okay because that has a better ending at least now
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um I did not have a good relationship with my father when I told my dad I wanted to be a
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psychiatrist he asked me why I didn't want to be a real doctor why I wanted to be a nut
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doctor and hang out with nuts all day long and that's just hurtful
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but I'd already not cared what he thought 1972 I turned 18 I get to vote
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George McGovern is who's very liberal is running against Richard Nixon and I'm
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like maybe I'll go for McGovern my dad said if I did the country would
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go to hell well I did and the country went to help it had nothing to do with the government had to do with Nixon and
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Watergate and all that craziness so we were like butting heads uh
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when I started looking at the brain I'm like come on dad I want let me scan your brain and he said no until years later
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and I'm like Dad what I'm learning is the brain is an organ like your heart is an organ
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we gotta get you healthy and he's like oh great my nut doctor son
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is now a health nut he's like what's with you in the nuts
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and so for 25 years I nudged him
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to get healthy and he belittled me he made fun of me he would do it publicly
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and it was hurtful
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but his opinion of me even though it hurt it didn't matter I kept doing what
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I do and when he was 85 they had mold in their house and he
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developed a chronic cough and then a heart arrhythmia
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and then heart failure and I went over his house
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and I saw he was depressed and my dad didn't get depressed my dad
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gave depression but he didn't get depression and he looked at me
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and he said Danny I'm sick of being sick what do you want me to do
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and he's so stubborn he did everything I asked him to do
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he texts me a picture of the food he's like can I eat this and I'm like send me the ingredient list
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and then I would Circle it and I'm like in what universe is this good for you and I'm one of seven children
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um now he starts talking about me to all of them and they would text me
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and like tell him to like not be so enthusiastic and we started working out
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together he's a beast he could do a six minute plank because he's so stubborn
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and over six months he lost 40 pounds his energy came back his heart was
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better he starts driving again and live the next five years in love
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with his brain and love with his body and if he
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would have died before those five years I think I would
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have always been left with a hole in my soul that helped
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repair it and the only reason he did it is because
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I did it the only reason he
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got healthy is because I modeled the message
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and ultimately that's what I tell my patients you never know when they're going to turn like I still never know if
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my brother will turn I love him I model I'm always there with
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a suggestion right but I'm not caring more than he cares
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what would that whole have been I think it's one of the big gifts
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that I was given that he looked at me and said what do you want me to do
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is that I'm assuming from hearing that it's because that was the moment where he
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kind of accepted you and you're worth in your job and you're yes and he told everybody
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besides me how proud he was of me
00:34:19
and the first time he told me he loved me was when I was 50.
00:34:25
which is just nuts when you think about it I mean he's from a different generation and
00:34:30
um but I just can't even imagine it
00:34:39
when we have someone in our lives that um maybe wasn't fair to us in some way
00:34:45
whether it's a parent or an ex-partner or whatever how do we how do we not let the
00:34:50
resentment or the negative emotions or the negative experiences or that feeling of Injustice that like we like this
00:34:57
situation wasn't fair how do we get to a place of empathy with
00:35:03
those people so that we can live you know without the burden of that like
00:35:09
resentment or you know regret or whatever it might be well I have a perfect example so I
00:35:14
started Imaging in 1991. I am
00:35:20
a distinguished fellow of the American Psychiatric Association I won a research award I am respected by
00:35:28
my colleagues but I start Imaging and initially there was acceptance and then
00:35:35
because the Imaging doesn't really go with the diagnostic Orthodoxy they're like shouldn't do that
00:35:41
and now I'm caught in a bind I love being connected to my colleagues
00:35:47
but there's no way I'm not looking at your brain if I can and so there's this
00:35:56
tension and for three or four years I feel challenged I feel belittled I feel
00:36:04
anxious and I'm starting to become ostracized from my group
00:36:10
so I'm anxious and I'm furious um
00:36:15
and then in 1995 my nine-year-old nephew Andrew attacks a
00:36:21
little girl on the baseball field for no reason so my brother's youngest son
00:36:27
and my sister-in-law calls me up and she's crying and she said she went into his room that day and found two pictures
00:36:34
he'd drawn one of them is hanging from a tree in a suicide attempt nine years old
00:36:39
the other one he's shooting other children so he's like columbine or
00:36:46
Parkland Florida or Sandy Hook I mean we're into that kind of Darkness
00:36:52
and 999 child psychiatrists out of a thousand would have put him on medicine
00:36:59
and put him in therapy but because now four years I've been looking at the
00:37:04
brain we'd already correlated violence to the left temporal lobe left temporal
00:37:09
lobe dysfunction often went with violence I'm like I want to see him and
00:37:15
so they drove eight hours and I'm sitting with my nephew who I'm also his Godfather and
00:37:21
like buddy what's going on he said Uncle Danny I don't know I'm mad all the time
00:37:26
I said is anybody hurting you he said no I said has anybody teasing you he said
00:37:32
no is anybody touching you and places they shouldn't be touching you no
00:37:37
and when I held his hand while we scanned him
00:37:43
when the scan came up on the computer screen he had a cyst the size of a golf
00:37:48
ball occupying the space of his left temporalo it's the first time I've seen it I've seen it a hundred times since
00:37:55
and when the neurosurgeon drained it his behavior completely went back to normal
00:38:02
it was that moment the War Began for me
00:38:08
it's like if you don't look you don't know stop lying about it and I became a
00:38:15
warrior to change psychiatry but there's a lot of negativity with
00:38:21
being a warrior I was also in the Army I was an Army psychiatrist and what I came to realize is a
00:38:29
wonderful psychologist at Virginia Commonwealth University Worthington who
00:38:36
came up with a method for forgiveness because when you're holding on to that
00:38:42
toxicity it's sort of like drinking poison and expecting the other person to
00:38:47
die and he did this method and someone murdered
00:38:55
his mother and he said it even worked for him when he was dealing with the grief of losing his mother to a horrible
00:39:02
crime and so I can recall the hate that I've experienced
00:39:10
so that's the R so we'll call it in detail the ears empathize
00:39:17
it's like so what are the haters feeling you're doing something they don't know
00:39:23
you're doing something that's different than them you're doing something that
00:39:29
threatens them see if I'm right and I'm right
00:39:34
everything in my body knows I'm right 230 000 scans later this isn't fake this
00:39:42
is real and if you don't look you miss all sorts of important things but they don't know that
00:39:48
and if they don't know it and they're threatened well of course they're angry
00:39:56
I mean I believe I still hold on to they should at least come visit right I mean my work is so
00:40:04
public the a is altruistically give them the
00:40:09
gift of forgiveness because and I actually don't really pay attention
00:40:15
to them because you know I do what I can we publish studies but
00:40:22
I don't need the negativity so you altruistically give them the gift of
00:40:28
forgiveness commit to it and hold on to it
00:40:33
and if you can do that for that relationship you have more control over your
00:40:39
happiness Plus if you're me you're like I wonder what
00:40:46
their brain is like and so one of the first things the scans
00:40:51
did for me is they increased forgiveness
00:40:57
so I asked my dad to get scanned 1991 my mom came because she's like what can I
00:41:03
do to support you I don't want to do that my dad 12 years in a row no I don't
00:41:08
want to do that why do you want me to do that no I don't want to do that and then he came
00:41:14
and I'd never seen this in a 72 year old person his anterior cingulate so we should talk
00:41:21
a little bit about different parts of the brain how they influence work the sand here is singulate it's the brain's
00:41:27
gear shifter it allows you to go from thought to thought move from idea to idea be flexible go with the flow and
00:41:36
when it's busy and he had the busiest anterior cingulative any older person I'd ever seen
00:41:43
worry hold grudges my dad was masterful at holding grudges
00:41:50
argumentative oppositional I used to joke that I'm like Dad why is it every
00:41:57
time I ask you for something you say no he goes I don't do that I'm like no you
00:42:03
do it why he's like I don't know it's just easier and Tony Blair the prime minister of the
00:42:12
United Kingdom said the first Hallmark of a leader is his ability to say no well my dad was just masterful at it but
00:42:20
I have to tell you seeing that part of his brain so busy was helpful for me to forgive him that
00:42:28
it was a brain misfire rather than it was a soul
00:42:34
misfire he took a lot of new book about how we
00:42:39
can reverse a lot of these things and we can change our brain which I guess is the is the hopeful optimistic side of
00:42:45
all of this so in the case of your father you see that in his brain is there something that can be done to
00:42:51
change it absolutely I mean that's sort of the big exciting message of my life
00:42:57
is you're not stuck with the brain you have you can make it better and I can prove it I did the big NFL study when
00:43:05
the NFL was lying that it had a problem about traumatic brain injury and football scan 350 NFL players and high
00:43:14
levels of damage stop lying about it but 80 percent of my players get better when we put them on a rehabilitation program
00:43:22
and there's a story in the book um about a mixed martial artist who I
00:43:28
was giving a lecture at the clinics and he raised his hand and he said
00:43:34
I just really love your work but you're not gonna like what I do I'm like what's
00:43:39
that he said I'm a mixed martial artist and I'm like well I can like you but yeah
00:43:45
you're right I'm not a fan of people bashing your head in and I said let's
00:43:52
look at your scan and it was troubled um I said you know I know these supplements
00:43:59
work because they were my NFL formula but I don't know how fast they work will
00:44:05
you come tomorrow at eight o'clock I'm going to give you the supplements I give
00:44:10
my NFL players and then I'm gonna scan you two and a half hours later his brain was remarkably better two and
00:44:18
a half hours later now it didn't mean it would stay that way right he had to stay on the program and stop doing the things
00:44:25
that hurt his brain how exciting is that to know even a
00:44:32
couple of hours from now if I do the right things my brain can be
00:44:39
better and going back to my dad what we found is low levels of Serotonin
00:44:45
go with high activity in the anterior cingulant so if he would
00:44:51
have chosen I could have calmed it down and helped him be more flexible now he
00:44:57
chose not to do that but I just remember my grandmother my
00:45:04
mom's mom when she was 92 she went in the hospital diverticulitis and my mom's
00:45:09
mom had always been mean she's not kind when she met my wife
00:45:14
for the first time she goes oh you're Danny's next victim
00:45:20
Grandma I said I'm going to talk bad about you after you're dead
00:45:27
she had that same brain and when I put her on medicine to increase serotonin
00:45:34
she became sweet which just goes it makes you wonder
00:45:41
how many people end up divorced because of a brain dysfunction that
00:45:47
could be fixed um it's just given me great empathy it's
00:45:54
easy easy easy to call someone bad it's harder to ask why in the case of
00:46:01
your father or your your grandmother is the brain and the mood kind of disorder
00:46:07
that you've observed in it is that a consequence of chronic bad habits in terms of brain health in your view it's
00:46:15
always both that whenever you give in to saying no
00:46:20
you make saying no more likely right you develop these ruts in your brain which
00:46:26
is why Behavior change is hard because you have these ruts in your brain where
00:46:33
it's after dinner I smoke or it's after dinner I have ice cream or it's the
00:46:38
first thing in the morning I have sugar cereal and these become like Pathways
00:46:44
they become ruts like deep Pathways in the brain and and I've had them for
00:46:50
years I mean for a long time before I got healthy you know I go by Jack In The
00:46:55
Box and get a Diet Coke and get a chicken fajita pita and it was
00:47:01
habit and so sometimes I'll see a jack-in-the-box like oh and then of
00:47:06
course my supervisor comes in and like really and I think of it your supervisor
00:47:13
is in your your brain you're better better sense well I think of it like children
00:47:19
um that too many people are run by the four-year-olds in their head
00:47:26
like I have five grandchildren and Haven is four and Haven
00:47:31
is funny and smart and sweet but she doesn't get away she totally can have a fit
00:47:37
and the rule in my house is if you have a tantrum to get your way the answer is
00:47:43
no it's always going to be no go for it and so it didn't have Tantrums with the
00:47:50
kids growing up but too many people the four-year-old in their head is running
00:47:57
the show it's like no I go buy Jack in the Box I get curly fries and a coke I
00:48:03
want it I want it I want it I want it and their parent self
00:48:09
doesn't go doesn't fit your goals you don't want it right you crave it
00:48:17
and there's a difference between craving and wanting and it's like inhibit
00:48:23
behavior and that's where we haven't talked about this yet and I knew I knew we would on this podcast the CEO in the
00:48:31
brain right so the front third of your brain is called the prefrontal cortex it's called the executive part of the
00:48:39
brain and so you talked about some of your friends who don't make good decisions who don't wait or delay their
00:48:45
impulses their frontal lobes are probably sleepy or smaller
00:48:52
and that'll give them huge problems in their lives and my work I I've seen
00:49:00
tens of thousands of people have ADD of one form or another and it often goes
00:49:06
with decreased activity in their frontal lobes but is that is that nature or
00:49:11
nurture nature with input
00:49:16
from nurture because they did this great study in Holland
00:49:22
where they took 300 add kids put them on an Elimination Diet so they basically
00:49:28
eliminated all the crap in their diet and three months later 72 percent of the
00:49:34
children did not have add anymore so um but when I diagnose someone with ADD
00:49:40
I generally see it you know coming down their mom's side or their dad's side it
00:49:47
generally doesn't occur in isolation it is that strongly heritable
00:49:54
in fact if I have a kid who's really 80d and I can't find a mom or dad I'd look at the
00:50:01
kid to see if he looks like his mom or dad wondering if they got switched at
00:50:06
birth just my experience really and really no not kidding and
00:50:14
so say that again so if if the child's brain doesn't resemble the mother of the father you suspect that so I wonder if
00:50:21
it's if the child's not related had been switched uh because you're that confidence because I'm there confident
00:50:26
about the heritability of this now there are other causes of add like Behavior like traumatic brain injury the child
00:50:34
fell down a flight of stairs and was unconscious even for just like 15
00:50:39
minutes that can damage their frontal lobes If the child was a head banger
00:50:44
that can damage their frontal lobes and so psychological trauma I sat here with
00:50:51
gabo mate ah interesting we're just doing a study on Ace scores do you know about the ace
00:50:58
quiz stands for adverse childhood experiences and it was first done in combination
00:51:07
with the CDC and Kaiser they looked at 17
00:51:12
000 people and they just gave people this simple questionnaire
00:51:18
um and it's 10 of the most common childhood traumas So Physical emotional
00:51:27
sexual abuse having a parent with mental illness with
00:51:33
an addiction incarceration and you get scored zero
00:51:40
to ten so I have a one my dad could really be nasty to me
00:51:47
so there's some of that sort of psychological abuse but I didn't get
00:51:52
beaten no one sexually molested me and so on my wife and she wrote a book about
00:51:58
this called the Relentless courage of a scared child has eight out of ten my two nieces who
00:52:06
tan and I adopted are both knives and they found if you have four or more you
00:52:14
have an increased risk of seven of the top 10 leading causes of death if you
00:52:22
have six or more you die 20 years earlier now it's not a death sentence if
00:52:28
you know it and you work on it like Tana has um you know you have normal lifespan
00:52:37
but how how Wild is that and so when I learned about I started giving it to all
00:52:43
of our patients and I now have ten thousand a scores on my patients and we
00:52:49
looked at their brains and what we found is a tends to activate the medial
00:52:56
frontal lobe and they become hyper alert
00:53:03
they began to watch what bad thing
00:53:08
is going to happen and I love a therapy have you ever heard of EMDR yes I've
00:53:15
heard of it it's a psychological treatment for trauma stands for eye movement desensitization and reprocess
00:53:22
my favorite Psychotherapy I love doing it with patients and when I met my wife
00:53:29
she's beautiful she's smart I mean I like fell for her
00:53:36
and then I'm learning about this so one of my first gifts to her was 10 sessions of EMDR which I know is pretty weird
00:53:44
but she went for two years and and I think it changed the trajectory of her life because she doesn't live
00:53:52
with the past still present how did how did it help her and what
00:53:58
what exactly does the therapy involve so trust a good history and then so for
00:54:06
example if you came to see me I would have you write down we do a timeline of your life I just want to
00:54:12
know for each five-year period what were the great things that happened to you and what were the horrible things that
00:54:18
happened to you and I do that purposefully so you'll have a balanced view if you just talk about the crap in
00:54:24
your life you feel like crap and then I'd have you write down the top 10 traumas and then it's it's a structured process
00:54:32
but I'd have you bring up the worst one we always go for the worst first and
00:54:38
while you bring it up I'll get your eyes to go back and forth and we'll let your
00:54:44
brain direct where you need to go and so initially you could feel relive the
00:54:53
trauma but then it tends to dissipate as opposed to just talking about the trauma
00:54:59
generally you relive it and feel like crap the bilateral hemisphere
00:55:04
stimulation helps it sort of
00:55:09
just sucks the life out of it you still remember it but it's not haunting you
00:55:16
anymore yeah that happened but you're not sweating or you're not having
00:55:22
nightmares and it just takes therapy too a whole different level it's sort of
00:55:30
like doing mushrooms without side effects if I wanted to you know earlier on you
00:55:36
said you said uh you gave like three points and the second point was you just got to know the list so you said if you
00:55:42
want to damage your brain if you want to hurt your brain you've got to know the list if you want to help your brain and have a healthy brain you've got to know
00:55:47
the list going to the the damaging my brain part if I was intent on damaging
00:55:52
my own brain what would you advise me to do so in the book I talk about a mnemonic
00:55:59
called bright Minds you want to keep your brain healthy or rescue it you have
00:56:05
to prevent or trade the 11 major risk factors that steal your mind so if you
00:56:13
want to damage your brain bright Minds the B is for blood flow low blood flow
00:56:19
is the number one brain Imaging predictor of Alzheimer's disease
00:56:26
okay how do you get low blood flow caffeine oh [ __ ] nicotine marijuana alcohol
00:56:34
um having a sedentary lifestyle being overweight
00:56:40
the r is retirement and aging can we pause on this uh low blood foot flow
00:56:47
you are the first person I've ever spoken to who has a comprehensive and
00:56:54
very believable hypothesis that caffeine has a side
00:57:00
effect I've asked my guests over and over again because I I think people refer to caffeine often as like this
00:57:06
miracle drug that comes with no cost but you're the first one through my research that seems to be very clear
00:57:11
that caffeine is does have a significant cost it's a drug it's it's the most common drug it's
00:57:18
addictive I mean a little bit's fine but more than a little bit is not fine
00:57:24
it increases cortisol you don't want to increase cortisol puts fat around your belly it shrinks your hippocampus but
00:57:31
you know the reason I started really paying attention to it is on spacked the study I do which is a
00:57:40
blood flow study it constricts blood flow 30 percent I have all my patients hold caffeine the morning of their scans
00:57:49
um because I don't want it to artificially uh show me they have less blood flow than they really do
00:57:57
um it it fakes you out to think you have
00:58:03
energy what it does is it blocks adenosine the chemical that tells you to
00:58:08
go to sleep and so often people rely on caffeine because they're sleep deprived
00:58:14
but it's just this bad cycle and so many of my patients stop and uniformly they
00:58:22
tell me they feel better they said their energy is better you talk about one particular patient in the book who was
00:58:27
struggling with um a variety of difficulties I think it was like brain brain fog and memory issues and so on
00:58:35
and one of the things you advised him to do was to cut coffee Jeff yeah I remember Jeff he's a pilot
00:58:44
and I live on caffeine and I'm like you got to get rid of it because brain looked terrible his brain looked
00:58:50
terrible his brain looked terrible and he's like no no no and he's like all right I'm gonna do it
00:58:57
and so he didn't get headaches we cut it down by five percent a day so three
00:59:04
weeks it was gone he didn't have any withdrawal didn't have any headaches and he's like texting me
00:59:12
unbelievable energy unbelievable clarity
00:59:18
and it it's a drug and why you know I want
00:59:24
to teach my pill my patients skills I don't want them to just take pills and
00:59:29
caffeine's a drug do you drink caffeine a little bit not much how much was Jeff having
00:59:37
um Jeff was having about 600 milligrams a day Jesus which is two venti Starbucks
00:59:45
one venti Starbucks is 330 milligrams of
00:59:50
caffeine and you know we've supersized everything
00:59:55
in this country I don't know if they do that in the UK but we certainly do it here and it's it's not a a good strategy
01:00:03
and so long-time restriction of blood flow to the brain through these things you've described caffeine marijuana all
01:00:10
of these things has a detrimental impact on the development of the brain pretty straightforward I get that so that's the
01:00:15
B as far as Retirement and aging you want to prematurely age your brain
01:00:24
drop out of school do not engage in new learning
01:00:30
I mean you doing this podcast you're always learning new things which is great for you
01:00:36
but the lack of when you learn something new your brain makes a new connection
01:00:42
when you stop learning or you start doing the same thing over and over again your brain starts to disconnect itself
01:00:50
being in a job that does not require new learning is a risk factor for dementia
01:01:00
being lonely is a risk factor for dementia so be an ass
01:01:08
and they're more likely to hurt your brain at my workplace we have the no [ __ ]
01:01:15
rule so there's a book by a Stanford Professor called the no [ __ ] rule
01:01:21
love that book and the no [ __ ] rule is the CEO starts with me so I don't get
01:01:27
to be one but I'm not tolerating anybody who has [ __ ] Behavior
01:01:33
at work and if you're not an [ __ ] you're less
01:01:38
likely to be lonely and loneliness is terrible for brain function if you want
01:01:46
to prematurely age your brain eat a lot of red meat
01:01:52
as if your iron and ferritin levels are
01:01:57
high because ferritin is just stored iron 10 stage the brain
01:02:05
the eye is inflammation if you want to increase inflammation which is a root
01:02:10
cause of so many medical and mental health issues never floss
01:02:16
don't really care about your teeth so you want to love your brain you have to love your mouth it's absolutely critical
01:02:24
for you not to have gum disease because if you have gingivitis
01:02:30
off odds are you're at increased risk for heart disease and depression and dementia it's fascinating like I didn't
01:02:37
learn about this and I didn't really care about my teeth and so I started seeing the lengths between gum disease
01:02:43
and heart disease gum disease and brain disease and now I'm a flossing fool but
01:02:50
if you want to damage your brain don't care about your mouth your about your
01:02:56
teeth don't ever eat fish people who have grilled or baked fish once a week have
01:03:02
more gray matter in their brain people have low levels of omega-3 fatty acids
01:03:10
have smaller brains and if you want to damage your brain eat
01:03:15
the standard American diet so processed food like eat most of your
01:03:23
calories from the gas station and from the fast food restaurants near nearby
01:03:30
and they spend billions on getting those foods to the perfect crunchiness the
01:03:37
perfect meltiness the perfect Aroma because they hire neuroscientists to
01:03:42
addict your brain be suspicious um
01:03:48
the G is genetics you want to damage your brain blame everything on your
01:03:54
genes like I have obesity and heart disease my family but I'm not overweight
01:04:00
and I don't have heart disease why I'm on an obesity heart disease prevention program every day of my life
01:04:08
because genes load the gun it's what happens to us and what we choose to do
01:04:13
that pulls the trigger so I adopted my nieces because their parents couldn't
01:04:18
stop using drugs and I'm like adamant
01:04:25
if you want my help you have to cooperate there's no vaping there's no
01:04:30
drug use there's no alcohol and it's working
01:04:37
I taught them a new word last week squameting have you heard of scrometing I haven't It's a combination of
01:04:45
screaming and vomiting and because of the legalization of
01:04:51
marijuana and the increased use teenagers are getting this and in record numbers they're in emergency rooms
01:04:57
screaming and vomiting it's called scrumpeting so
01:05:02
Jane's load the gun but know your risk and be on that prevention programmer I
01:05:09
mean that's just a sign of intelligent life the H is head trauma you want to
01:05:14
damage your brain play football play soccer play rugby and box
01:05:20
it's and and text while you're walking in L.A I mean you're just more likely to
01:05:27
have a brain injury um because you fall over just because in
01:05:33
case that wasn't clear people are going to think texting is bad for the brain the t is toxins
01:05:40
so see alcohol is a health food it's total crap uh see marijuana is
01:05:46
innocuous it's total crabs I mean I'm happy they legalized it please don't put
01:05:51
people use marijuana in jail it's a really bad use of resources really stupid but let's not say it's good for
01:05:58
us because teenagers who use have an increased risk of anxiety depression
01:06:06
suicide and psychosis that's not okay the brain undergoes wild development and
01:06:14
people sort of don't get this they think little kids their brain is undergoing wild development but from the time you're 15 to 25 it's gone through wild
01:06:23
Construction in fact that's when the highways are being myelinated have you
01:06:29
ever heard of myelin myelin is a white fatty substance that gets wrapped on
01:06:34
your neurons and when a neuron or a brain cell becomes myelated becomes 10
01:06:40
to 100 times faster it's more efficient and when a baby's born there's very
01:06:47
little myelin in the cortex laid down when they're about two months old they're occipital lobes their visual
01:06:54
cortex becomes myelinated and when you smile at them they smile back because they can really see you well slowly
01:07:02
myelination goes from the back all the way to the front but it doesn't get to the front until you're about 25 so this
01:07:12
masterpiece building if you will is under construction until you're 25 so
01:07:20
many teenagers it's the crappy food it's just like throwing poison into the
01:07:27
construction zone marijuana is innocuous we're going to the parties and getting drunk
01:07:34
and they're damaging the building and yes there are ways to repair it
01:07:41
but what idiot would damage the most beautiful building in the neighborhood
01:07:46
and I often say to my teenage patients I said hey if you had a million dollar resource
01:07:53
would you ever feed it junk food would you ever get it stoned would you ever get a drunk and the Smart Ones would go
01:08:00
only if you were an idiot but aren't you worth so much more and we have a high
01:08:07
school course called brain Thrive by 25 we studied it in 16 schools decreases
01:08:12
drug alcohol and tobacco use decreases depression and improves self-esteem and
01:08:18
one of the weeks is things to avoid to have a healthy brain and at the end
01:08:24
of the lecture it's a boy never a girl that's really irritating raises his hand and goes how can you have any fun
01:08:31
and we play a game with them called who has more fun the person with the good brain or the person with the bad brain
01:08:39
who gets the girl and gets to keep her because he's not an ass the person with the good brainer the person with the bad
01:08:45
brain who gets into the college they want to get into who has the best life
01:08:51
and ultimately it's the person with the good
01:08:57
so we're a t and you want to damage your brain undergo general anesthesia
01:09:04
for plastic surgery over and over again general anesthesia is bad for the brain
01:09:10
um never read the ingredients on your personal product labels
01:09:19
because you know there's an epidemic of low testosterone in young males it's
01:09:25
crazy I was reading the stats the other day what is it it's because we're poisoning them is that why that's why
01:09:30
what is the what is the headline start there regarding testosterone and Men it's decreasing isn't it year over year
01:09:36
year over year and more than half have either low normal or low levels I've
01:09:43
never seen anything like it I've been measuring testosterone levels in my patients forever
01:09:50
and we're poisoning them there's an app I like called think dirty it's not what
01:09:56
you think it is it allows you to scan your personal products and it tells you on a scale of one to ten how quickly
01:10:02
they're killing you so for example I've shaved with barbasol
01:10:08
for 50 years and when I learned this a decade ago
01:10:13
um I like scanned it one is good tennis kill you early it was
01:10:19
a nine and I was horrified because the parabens and phthalates are known
01:10:26
hormone disruptors so now I shave with something called Kiss My Face it's a two
01:10:31
last longer than barbasol and I do that because I love myself I
01:10:37
mean why would I poison myself unless I was not that smart and so just start
01:10:42
reading the labels of your toothpaste of your
01:10:48
deodorant of your shampoo of your body wash of your makeup and what am I
01:10:53
looking for because if I read the labels of my toothpaste I mean I wouldn't know if it was good or
01:11:00
bad so you can scan scan it with the yeah or ewg the environmental working
01:11:06
group has an app similar to that you just educate yourself because it's not
01:11:12
just about you it's about generations of you because the health of your body
01:11:21
matters when it comes to what babies you may make
01:11:27
okay m is mental health
01:11:32
um believe every stupid thing you think be masterful you want to damage your
01:11:37
brain be masterful at predicting the worst and then making it worse
01:11:43
um how does that have a bad impact in the brain negativity increases stress plus negativity drops activity in your
01:11:50
cerebellum so we talked a little bit about the CEO the prefrontal cortex well
01:11:56
it's intimately connected to the processing part of your brain your cerebellum it's about 10 of the brain's
01:12:03
volume but has half the brain's neurons and negativity tends to deactivate it so
01:12:10
it actually makes you more confused so if you think of an athletic slump they're focused on I'm gonna miss I'm
01:12:17
going to miss and of course they miss um the second eye is immunity and
01:12:23
infections um so much to talk about with the pandemic but people who have low vitamin
01:12:31
D levels are much more likely to die from covet they're actually much more
01:12:37
likely to die from virtually anything low vitamin D which occurs in about 60
01:12:43
percent of the population is associated virtually with every bad thing including
01:12:48
a smaller brain so if you want to have a smaller brain never go in the Sun never
01:12:54
test your vitamin D level and never take a supplement brand new study out just
01:13:00
last week people who take a vitamin D supplement have 40 percent decrease risk
01:13:06
of getting Alzheimer's disease how simple is that how do they establish
01:13:13
like causation in these studies where you one would also assume that people that take Vitamin D supplements have like you know so this was a prospective
01:13:20
study where they gave half the group vitamin D and then they followed them
01:13:28
fascinating study there are tens of thousands of study on
01:13:35
vitamin D and its impact and the darker your skin the more sun you need so an
01:13:45
interesting study from the Bahamas they looked at people who were raised in the Bahamas who then migrated to the United
01:13:53
Kingdom so healthy vitamin D to no vitamin D because of the weather so from
01:14:01
Botswana and the incidence of psychosis went up interesting so and how simple is
01:14:08
it it's a blood test get your vitamin D measured everybody listening to this you
01:14:15
should know it like you know your BMI like you know your blood pressure and optimize it either get in the sun
01:14:23
more if you can or take vitamin D3 with vitamin K2 I mean it's super simple
01:14:31
and I mean it's like that's easy that's something you can do right away
01:14:39
um if I wanted to mess up my immunity I would encourage myself to have leaky
01:14:47
gut so I'd encourage myself to damage the lining of my gut with antibiotics
01:14:55
and alcohol and pesticide Laden foods
01:15:00
and I wouldn't need any fiber so I would really lean into the standard American
01:15:08
diet going back to your point about environmental toxins I've always
01:15:14
wondered if it was like pseudoscience that cosmetic products we have in our house are having an impact on our
01:15:21
hormone levels you were talking about hormone levels there my partner has always said to me things like be careful with what's in that toothpaste Steve or
01:15:27
she'll look at products that I have and go nope oh yes I'm like where's the science we talked about testosterone and
01:15:35
the science is huge there's a wonderful book so if you ever if you want to get
01:15:41
rid of the doubt it's called the toxin Solution by Joe
01:15:46
pisorno who started Bastyr universities one of the most
01:15:52
well-respected naturopaths in the world now if you want a shortened version read
01:15:57
my book the end of mental illness because there's a whole section on toxins with about a hundred scientific
01:16:04
references so you don't want toxins and and you don't want to think it's
01:16:09
pseudoscience unless you've actually gone to pubmed.gov
01:16:16
and studied it so many people called my work pseudoscience and I'm like go to
01:16:22
pubmed.gov today you'll see I've published 80 studies and oh by the way they're 15 000 studies on spect so
01:16:31
so I'm a fan of your sweetheart yeah she she always seems to be right about
01:16:37
everything I seemed I I'm pessimistic on my way in
01:16:43
and then God this doesn't sound so great but what she says registers and then I speak to an expert and they go your
01:16:49
girlfriend is right that is the Story of My Life just a little bit and I'll say to it
01:16:54
I'll leave this podcast now and I'll get she's actually sat over there I'll go and say oh by the way he uh I spoke to him and he said the stuff you said about
01:17:00
all the Cosmetic products I used is right you won't catch you guys it happens literally every week like three
01:17:05
or four times a week one of the things I read in terms of because the impact of Cosmetics on our
01:17:11
hormone levels was that over the last 20 years our testosterone levels have declined by about 50 on average which is
01:17:17
absolutely terrifying terrifying I have a lot of friends who are in I have a
01:17:23
staggering amount of friends and people that I know that are in sexless relationships and are struggling with
01:17:29
sex and other hormone-related issues I've got a friend that is um had a challenge with
01:17:37
it's a POS PCOS PCOS polycystic ovarian syndrome
01:17:42
and I just have a suspicion that it's not nature
01:17:48
that's causing some of these issues so when I hear about how the Cosmetic products we have in our life are
01:17:54
influencing our hormone levels I go maybe this is the maybe this is the guy that's
01:18:01
it's worth making sure someone does an ultrasound on our ovaries to see if
01:18:06
that's in fact the case but I have a funny story on PCOS when I
01:18:12
first met my wife um she wouldn't attach
01:18:18
um it was more like she was the guy and we'd make love and I want to cuddle
01:18:23
and she's like okay done I could I'm like I loved her and she'd
01:18:30
come and she'd go and she's like just make me crazy and then
01:18:36
um I took her to our first fight was on the dog we were
01:18:42
gonna get so I wanted like a King Charles cavalier I wanted like a lap dog something cute
01:18:49
something I could just have fun with and she wanted a Mastiff or she wanted she
01:18:57
wanted some killer dog and no it's just not me and so we got into a fight about
01:19:03
that anyways I get her to see a hormone specialist
01:19:09
and she diagnoses her with PCOS and it just made such sense and what she did is
01:19:16
an ultrasound of our ovaries they were like loaded with these little sis and
01:19:22
she treated the PCOS and so PCOS women's
01:19:27
testosterone levels tend to be higher and their blood sugar tends to be higher
01:19:35
and they have more problems committing so she fixes it and then Tana becomes
01:19:40
like committed I love this but then she calls me at work one day and she said I
01:19:48
found this pocket poodle in Northern California that's like two pounds and I'm like who
01:19:57
are you it's like change your hormones change your dog
01:20:02
do you do you recommend that we check our hormone levels frequently every year every year every year DHEA testosterone
01:20:10
thyroid um estrogen and progesterone for women
01:20:16
every year because for women
01:20:21
their progesterone drops about 10 years before they go into menopause
01:20:26
progesterone is the natural anti-anxiety hormone and when it drops
01:20:33
all of a sudden a woman's 40 and she can't sleep and she's more anxious and she's more
01:20:39
irritable and it's causing relationship problems and she goes to the doctor and gets a prescription for Ambien for Xanax
01:20:45
and for Lexapro and oh by the way she's drinking more or using more marijuana
01:20:51
and she doesn't know why and you just it's easier to replace the
01:20:56
progesterone than to deal with all those other strategies that help you feel
01:21:02
better now but not later is something called perimenopause pear um it's earlier than that yeah
01:21:08
perimenopause is sort of for most women are in like late 40s [Music] um
01:21:14
hormones are so important and if your hormones aren't right your brain isn't
01:21:19
right one of the things I talk about in the book is that women have a higher incidence of Alzheimer's disease now
01:21:27
part because they live longer than men because they make better decisions
01:21:32
um but a man's brain is used to not having
01:21:38
estrogen right it's been raised primarily on testosterone
01:21:44
a woman's brain is used to having estrogen so when she goes through menopause and doesn't have estrogen
01:21:50
blood flow in her brain drops and it puts her at greater risk for
01:21:57
things like dementia and so I'm a big believer and you know the reason your
01:22:03
hormones drop with age it's the planet's way of eliminating you and I'm not okay with that I want to
01:22:11
stick around as long as I can and so hormone replacement can be super helpful
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01:23:19
chronic difficulty with sleep several times in your career um I've got a lot of friends that
01:23:26
I always talk about got a lot of friends got a lot of friends that have struggled with sleep um
01:23:31
often difficult to know what to say to them to give them advice what would you recommend in terms of
01:23:37
improving sleep and I was quite curious because I read about your hypnosis and
01:23:43
hypnotherapy treatment which seemed to be quite effective in helping people that were struggling with sleep but what would you say to someone that struggled
01:23:49
with sleep it's three things sleep Envy God care about it avoid
01:23:54
things that hurt your sleep and do things that promote it so what hurts sleep and most people know caffeine can
01:24:02
you know if you have it in the morning it's still in your body at night and so know how you metabolize it
01:24:10
um if you're having trouble sleeping I'd kill it and just see if it has a
01:24:15
positive impact um a warm room imperiously
01:24:23
a noisy room a room with light they all impair sleep blue light
01:24:30
so having blue light in your eyes after dark impairs melatonin production
01:24:39
what about glucose increases in food I'm sorry if I eat before bed
01:24:45
you become a non-dipper which is so interesting uh that if you donate three
01:24:53
hours before you go to sleep right at sleep your blood pressure will
01:24:59
drop as as you go to sleep if you eat right before bed your blood pressure
01:25:04
won't dip won't drop which puts you at a higher risk for heart attack and stroke
01:25:11
because it's putting more pressure on your blood vessels and trust me you
01:25:16
don't want a heart attack and you don't want a stroke so whatever you can do to keep your blood pressure healthy and
01:25:23
that's sort of a simple thing people who eat before bed generally have the habit
01:25:28
of doing it which is why I'm a huge fan of intermittent fasting because you know
01:25:35
if you have dinner at six you won't eat again until 10 in the next morning but what that really means is you won't be
01:25:41
eating right before bed um so and then things to help sleep
01:25:46
we've talked about what not to do what to do every night when I go to bed I
01:25:53
think rituals are wonderful so um I say a prayer
01:26:00
and then I go what went well today and I've been doing this for a decade
01:26:06
and it's a treasure hunt now I'm like on a mission to find what I liked about my
01:26:14
day and so I start in the morning when I woke up and I just go hour by hour
01:26:20
looking for what I liked about the day and
01:26:26
usually by early afternoon I'm asleep you know as I'm going through my timeline
01:26:32
but I'm busy and so often awesome things will happen and I just sort of gloss
01:26:39
over them so it's a time to consolidate that's what sleep does consolidates
01:26:44
memories but now I'm focused on positive things which set my dreams up to be more
01:26:50
positive and people who do that for just three weeks
01:26:57
increase their level of happiness how simple is that it's amazing you
01:27:03
wrote a book about the subject of happiness in 2020 um it's called you happier the seven Neuroscience secrets of a feeling good
01:27:10
based on your brain type now the concept of having a brain type I find really compelling you talk about it
01:27:16
in this book as well the idea that we have different brain types um why does it matter to know what brain
01:27:22
type I have and what are the brain types there's 16 there's five primary types
01:27:28
right balanced spontaneous yeah persistent sensitive and cautious
01:27:37
why do you want to know because they're going to tell you where you're going to suffer
01:27:42
and if you know your type and the type of your power of your partner or the
01:27:48
type of your children you'll actually be able to work on happiness in the
01:27:53
relationship better and so for example the balanced person really has a pretty
01:27:59
healthy brain and they tend to be pretty even and they just basically need they
01:28:05
need basic foundational support we will know that person I'm sorry I know a lot of those people that have a seemingly
01:28:12
balanced brain yeah and then they're the spontaneous people you probably know a lot of them as well
01:28:17
they are spontaneous they're creative they're out of the box thinkers
01:28:24
um they also tend to be impulsive easily distracted disorganized they tend to be
01:28:29
late and they love novelty and they love surprises entrepreneurs
01:28:38
they're often entrepreneurs and they often marry the persistent type
01:28:45
which is Type 3 which is Type 3 which they're like a dog with a bone
01:28:52
they stay with stuff they're on time they hate surprises they like ritual
01:28:59
they like routine it's safe for them and so throw them a surprise party
01:29:07
and they'll be unhappy that they it won't be joyful for them it will be stressful
01:29:14
for them the pandemic was really hard on
01:29:19
the spontaneous people because they're often extroverts where the persistent people tend more to be introverts and
01:29:26
they sort of liked not having to deal with a lot of other unpredictable people in that way is the phrase that
01:29:33
Opposites Attract quite true because yes someone that's a bit spontaneous and maybe an Entertainer an entrepreneur
01:29:39
goes for someone who's a bit more controlled and rigid and likes a schedule you see it in relationships you
01:29:44
see one partner that's typically doesn't care about planning the holiday and the other person who's done the itinerary
01:29:50
perfectly and they make for a good team they do initially and then they fight
01:29:57
because the persistent person can hold grudges the spontaneous person can say
01:30:03
things that hurt their feelings and they end up seeing me in fact I did a study
01:30:09
called the couples from Hell study where I scanned 500 couples who failed marital
01:30:15
therapy but still wanted to be together and eighty percent of them the scan
01:30:20
showed one or both of them needed a tune-up in their brand in my first case
01:30:26
which I still remembered uh Gary and Judy
01:30:31
um and a I initially hated them because I knew I wasn't going to help them they brought
01:30:37
their kids to me one kid got better the other one didn't I saw the other kid and I realized he's not getting better
01:30:42
because Mom and Dad hate each other so I'm like I want to see you guys in marital therapy and they said Dr Raymond
01:30:49
we really like you we don't do well in marital therapy we tried four times and
01:30:55
it always makes us worse and in my head this was my own grandiose thinking I'm like well maybe
01:31:01
they just hadn't seen anybody really good so I saw them in their first visit they
01:31:07
sat on the opposite end of each couch it's a bad sign in marital therapy and
01:31:15
after about three months I know I'm not going to help them she has a PHD in
01:31:20
Grudge holding and he's always late he says awful impulsive stupid things and
01:31:26
I'm like at the end of six months I start getting physical stress symptoms because I hate being ineffective I hate
01:31:34
that and nine months I'm in my shower getting ready to come to work and I
01:31:41
realize they're on my schedule and my stomach starts to hurt today I'm going to tell them to get divorced because it's not good for
01:31:48
children to be in a home of chronic conflict but I grew up Roman Catholic and the idea of divorce especially 30
01:31:54
years ago was awful and the voice the Catholic voice visited me and said oh
01:32:00
great because you're not a good enough therapist they're going to get divorced and go to hell
01:32:06
I looked at the water faucet and went how much therapy does this take to get over and I got out of the shower called
01:32:13
my friend who owned the Imaging Center I said hey Jack will you give me two scans for the price of one and he's like why I
01:32:20
said Jack I have this couple and they're not getting better and it's making me crazy I want to see their brain
01:32:26
and he's like we could start a business and call it brainmatch.com
01:32:33
anyways they got scanned her frontal lobes work way too hard just like my dad
01:32:38
he had sleepy frontal lobes and I'm like how'd you miss it csadd she has OCD
01:32:44
Tendencies I put him on Ritalin I put her on Prozac I just read an article if
01:32:50
you believe in random chance the night before that Prozac comes down the Cingular gyrus and they were fascinated and
01:33:00
engaged by the brain because they knew wasn't working they took the medicine I told them I
01:33:06
didn't want to see him for a month because I was tired and I wanted them to have medicine to work when they came
01:33:12
back they sat on the same couch he had his hand on her leg that's a good sign in
01:33:20
marital therapy and 33 years later they're still married
01:33:25
wow and they don't see therapists because they learn what they needed to
01:33:31
learn like responsibility and empathy and listening and assertiveness and noticing
01:33:38
what you like more than what you don't like Grace and forgiveness they learned it and their brains could process it
01:33:45
right go back to Hardware fix the hardware the software is more likely to take it I read that you'd you had a
01:33:52
divorce for age 47 and you made a remark that you wouldn't get married again unless you got to scan your partner's
01:33:59
brain it's absolutely true there's no way I would marry someone unless I saw their
01:34:06
brain is more important than seeing them naked and
01:34:12
um I met Tana January 1st 2006 and her
01:34:18
first scan was January 24th you scan to the same month I scanned I'm
01:34:25
I like it I liked her a lot and she she's a Neurosurgical ICU nurse so we
01:34:31
sort of bonded over the brain a little bit but she said it was one of the best lines that I want to see
01:34:39
your naked brain which I don't think I actually phrased it like that but that's the story she tells
01:34:45
it never really a clear correlation between when you think if you were to be a
01:34:51
Matchmaker professionally you know if that was if you pivoted to the matchmaking industry
01:34:57
what you talked about the five types of brain what types of brain would you try and pair together because if type 2 the
01:35:04
spontaneous doesn't work with the persistent because they end up arguing is there a pairing sequence that results
01:35:10
in an optimal marriage or relationship retention so balance brains tend to do
01:35:16
really well they do don't know with balance brain the guy I was thinking about spontaneous brains
01:35:21
they need someone that just keeps their dopamine flowing because they have lower dopamine
01:35:28
levels so often getting their add treated that will help get them on a ketogenic diet which helps steady their
01:35:37
dopamine levels that can be helpful I think I'm a persistent I'm sorry I think
01:35:42
I'm a spontaneous we'll see um the persistent types
01:35:49
um tend to struggle because it's the my way or the highway part
01:35:56
um the cautious persistent types tend to do really well because they're anxious
01:36:01
enough that they're thinking about other people's feelings I think we we missed
01:36:08
so we got to three didn't we we got to number three which was the persistent right number four is sensitive sensitive
01:36:15
which so they're deeply empathic often um
01:36:21
insightful intuitive and uh can be empowers uh but they tend to be prone to
01:36:29
depression and so they have a lot of ants running around unless they discipline them they
01:36:36
make great therapists um do they have high levels of stress
01:36:41
no that's the cautious type which is number four five five yeah they are
01:36:46
loaded with the fortune telling ant they often will get involved with these
01:36:52
conspiracy theories unfortunately some of the conspiracy theories tended to be true that's really hard like you know
01:36:58
I'm a psychiatrist for 40 years and someone comes in my office and goes the NSA is listening to my phone and you
01:37:05
know I'm thinking schizophrenia do I need drugs and it's like no the NSA is listening to their phone calls
01:37:12
so it's been an interesting time for a psychiatrist but it's the predicting the
01:37:20
worst and I tell my patients the only people should really predict the worst are contract lawyers I mean they should
01:37:26
protect you from what bad things are going to happen other than that
01:37:32
um you want to predict what's going to go right so if I am a spontaneous which of those
01:37:40
five brain types the balance the spontaneous the persistent the sensitive the cautious should I marry balanced
01:37:47
okay you want now if you're a CEO um
01:37:53
you want a persistent you a persistent cautious type so that's that's type 11.
01:38:02
um to manage you this is a really important point if you are a business
01:38:08
leader and you tend to be spontaneous not have a spontaneous assistant because
01:38:15
it'll stress you out and stuff won't get done and the IRS will come knock on your
01:38:20
door um because you're not going to be filling out the paperwork right
01:38:28
it's really important you need to know your strengths know your vulnerabilities
01:38:33
and higher to cover your vulnerabilities too many
01:38:39
spontaneous people hire people they like that are like them which leads to stress
01:38:48
and chaos hmm that's very true
01:38:53
in all of my businesses I've always found managing directors who are calmer more organized more risk aware
01:39:02
individuals and it's always worked really well because I tend to be very risk
01:39:07
um very prone to taking risks and my default position which I've had to
01:39:13
learn so I've had to sort of become self-aware and counteract it is to pursue multiple things at once
01:39:20
so I have to have this ongoing conversation with my brain to say Focus you you your better self your wisdom
01:39:27
knows that focus is your biggest um Pitfall so well the lack of focus is your biggest Pitfall and I guess that
01:39:32
kind of brings me to another point which was this idea you touched an earlier on about disassociating from your brain
01:39:39
are you giving your brain a name as you call it in your book so that you can have a conversation with it
01:39:44
that sounds like a funny thing to do if I call my brain I'm going to give my brain a name my brain is now called I'm gonna call it Daniel
01:39:51
so there's Stephen who is me and there's Daniel who is me
01:39:57
but my Daniel is my brain and I am Stephen and what is the upside in creating the separation psychological
01:40:04
distance from the noise in your head so you don't attach
01:40:10
to it so if it's Daniel then you can accept
01:40:15
what he says or you can reject it okay so when I first heard about this
01:40:21
from Stephen Hayes I'm like what would I give my name and I
01:40:28
named myself after my pet raccoon when I was 16. and like my mind Hermie was a
01:40:36
shitster she tped my mother's bathroom she ate all the fish out of my sister's
01:40:42
aquarium she'd leave raccoon poo in my shoes she's I loved her I loved me but
01:40:49
my mind is a troublemaker It'll like conjure up all sorts of negative scenarios so if I separate from it I can
01:40:59
put Hermie metaphorically in her cage and now what I do because I love her is
01:41:06
I'll put her on her back and I'll tickle her or I'll cuddle her I'm like it's gonna be all right
01:41:13
you don't have to believe every stupid thing you think yes we are gonna die but
01:41:18
we're not gonna die today and you know when you can live in the
01:41:24
presence by managing your thoughts by not attaching to them by separating from
01:41:33
them that's where peace lives that's where happiness lives when you can sort
01:41:38
of step outside and just go you know I'm Not My Thoughts my thoughts might come
01:41:45
from my dad's generation may have been some of his trauma or it might come from
01:41:52
the voice of my mom and dad growing up or the voice of the priest or
01:41:58
my siblings or the music I listen to you know and just because you have a thought
01:42:04
has nothing to do with whether or not it's true or whether or not it's helpful
01:42:10
the brain is a sneaky organ we all have weird crazy stupid sexual violent
01:42:17
thoughts that nobody should ever hear I tell my patients this all the time one of my patients goes oh I had an indecent
01:42:25
thought about my teenage daughter's friend I'm a pedophile
01:42:32
and I'm like that's a big leap did you like climb in bed with her did you make
01:42:38
plans to talk he's no no none of that I'm like dude you're not a pedophile
01:42:45
it's just your brain plain tricks on you just because you have that thought well
01:42:51
a whole bunch of people have that thought but they don't do anything about the thought
01:42:58
but people don't understand that thoughts are just creations of neuronal
01:43:05
function and your frontal lobe should evaluate this is a helpful thought I
01:43:11
should pursue this thought stay away from this thought
01:43:16
this thought doesn't fit my goals if I am a spontaneous brain type then is
01:43:23
there anything I can do without drugs to become a balanced brain type so first
01:43:29
thing one page miracle write it out it's an exercise in the book what do you want
01:43:36
just like as a CEO of a company you have a business plan and you have quarterly goals write it out what do you want
01:43:45
in your relationships in your work in your money in your physical emotional
01:43:52
spiritual health why write it down because you're telling your brain what
01:43:57
you want and then every day you sort of know what what it is I mean you memorize
01:44:03
that thing and then each decision you make you ask yourself does it fit does
01:44:10
my behavior fit the goals I have for my life and so
01:44:18
what you're doing is you're activating your prefrontal cortex so the part of
01:44:24
your brain that if you really are spontaneous that's the Sleepy part of your brain so the first thing is
01:44:30
intention to have a business plan or have a plan for your life
01:44:38
the second thing you have to make sleep a priority because if you tend to be spontaneous that goes way up when you
01:44:45
haven't slept that also goes way up when your blood sugar is low so it's not just
01:44:52
high blood sugar is the problem it's often low blood sugar it's a problem one
01:44:57
of my celebrities who kept getting arrested in trouble I did a fasting blood sugar on him was 49. it was way
01:45:05
too low he had hypoglycemia and when I got him to eat four or five times a day he never got arrested again so make sure
01:45:14
your diet's right and it's my spontaneous people tend to do really well on ketogenic diets or
01:45:23
low simple carbohydrate diets now that diet will make the persistent type crazy
01:45:29
because that's a focused diet where if you put someone who can't stop
01:45:36
thinking on a focused diet they think more on the things that bother them so the diet really depends on the type
01:45:42
which we talk about in the book exercise intense aerobic exercise boost dopamine and there's some
01:45:50
simple supplements like l-tyrosine or I make something called focus and energy
01:45:56
that's got ashwagandha ginseng rhodiola and choling things that help you focus
01:46:03
but don't amp you
01:46:08
okay Daniel so we have a new tradition on this podcast at the end of the Diary of a CO episodes we ask all of our
01:46:15
guests to write a question and to put it into the book the Diary of a CEO so you will be asked
01:46:22
to do the same just before you leave um but recently what we've done because we understand that these conversations
01:46:27
Foster a sense of connection in people because they're a little bit more vulnerable than your usual conversations and we believe that that's the door to
01:46:34
connection is we've turned some of the questions in this book into cards that people can play at home this is a brand
01:46:39
new thing we've done so on here these are various cards that have been written by previous guests on this show if you
01:46:45
scan the QR code on the back it takes you to um a video of the person who answered it to the person that came after them and
01:46:51
then on the front you can see the question they've asked with their name on it I'm gonna lay these cards in front of you I want you to just pick one at
01:46:58
random I've just selected some for you um out of the full almost I think
01:47:03
there's about 70 or odd questions in here I've picked 10. so just pick one at random and I'll ask you to answer the
01:47:10
question that you pick is that okay Joe you're up for it cool
01:47:18
who's gone for the first one what is one mistake that you have made
01:47:25
that you have been scared to address or reconcile
01:47:35
and you want me to answer that question what is one mistake that I've made
01:47:43
that I have been scared to address or reconcile
01:47:50
that I don't like firing people that it's really hard
01:47:57
and I came to realize if I don't do it I should fire myself
01:48:03
but that's the one thing it's like why did I
01:48:08
hold on to that for so long
01:48:20
it's it's that when you have the no [ __ ] rule firing people's really harder
01:48:26
but yeah I've come to realize
01:48:32
um that it's an essential skill to prone because if you're a CEO you're like a
01:48:39
gardener but it it TAPS in to something about me
01:48:45
being bad that I don't like
01:48:50
what brain type have you got I'm a balanced type and my vulnerabilities because we all
01:48:57
have wings or vulnerabilities persistent and cautious okay
01:49:03
can I ask you to pick one more card
01:49:11
[Music] who is the person
01:49:16
you'd most like to say sorry to
01:49:22
but haven't
01:49:34
and I've thought about this my dad died three years ago
01:49:43
I was so mad at him and would be pretty vocal about how mad
01:49:50
I was of them but when you focus that
01:49:57
You Don't See all the good things that happened I had
01:50:04
said that my a score was one and my wife's an eight
01:50:10
he provided a level
01:50:16
of stability that I didn't appreciate
01:50:21
and so he knew the last five years that I loved
01:50:27
him and we spent a lot of time together but I think I would apologize
01:50:33
to him for holding on to the negativity and that's exactly why we created these
01:50:39
cards if you want to get your own conversation cards go to the conversationcards.com that is the
01:50:44
conversationcards.com and I hope everybody everywhere gets the hands on them I think the world would be a better place if we're all a little bit more
01:50:50
vulnerable with each other because that very much is the daughter connection okay so the question that's been left
01:50:56
for you in the diary from our previous guest is what topic is no one talking about now
01:51:04
that historians will study in the future well from my perspective it's the
01:51:11
insanity of the mental health industry that is
01:51:16
destroying the mental health of America making diagnoses based on symptom clusters with
01:51:24
no biological data than drugging people last year there are 337 million
01:51:29
prescriptions for antidepressants 27 of all doctor visits no matter the
01:51:36
specialty 27 someone's leaving with a prescription for benzodiazepine like
01:51:42
Xanax or Valium this is an insane time and they call me crazy and I'm not crazy
01:51:50
they're going to be talking about this dark period in Psychiatry for centuries
01:51:56
to come Jesus Daniel thank you for me this is very much the culmination of so much work
01:52:03
you've done over a series of books and um your life's work so I would recommend everybody if they have the opportunity
01:52:08
to go and get it to go and get it right now it is out and it's one of those real pivotal books that sort of turns the lights on to something that
01:52:15
to a room that I didn't even know existed which is my brain um and the the brain is obviously the
01:52:22
computer it's the driving force as you said at the start of this conversation of all the decisions I get right and wrong and it's my duty to do everything
01:52:28
as that I can to love my brain um and that's exactly what your book leaves me
01:52:33
with as a parting message is it's this message of loving my brain and doing everything I can to treat it as if
01:52:39
um with the respect and love that it deserves thank you for all of your work thank you for the inspiration you've given me and thank you for the the way
01:52:46
that your work has nudged my life and the trajectory of my life and therefore as you say the trajectory of those that
01:52:51
come after me's life in a little bit more positive healthy direction because that is not nothing that is significant
01:52:58
especially as you zoom out so thank you so much Daniel it's a joy to speak to you yeah thank you so much for such a
01:53:03
wonderful interview for being prepared
01:53:08
to help me actually go inside myself and see how these dots connect and helping
01:53:15
me spread the word um I'm trying to create a revolution and
01:53:24
I need people to help so thank you help me thank you for helping me do this
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