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Trinny Woodall: How She Went From Drug Addict To $300m Business Empire!

September 11, 2023 / 01:14:30

This episode features Trini Woodall, founder and CEO of Trini London, discussing her journey from addiction to entrepreneurship. Key topics include her struggles with addiction, the impact of her partner's suicide, and her success in the beauty industry.

Trini shares her experiences with addiction, revealing how she turned to drugs in her early 20s and the challenges she faced during recovery. She recounts being kicked out of rehab for playing a porn video, which highlights the difficulties of her early recovery process.

The conversation shifts to her late partner, Johnny, who struggled with addiction and ultimately died by suicide. Trini reflects on the complexities of grief and the impact of his death on her life and career.

Trini also discusses her successful business, Trini London, which she started at the age of 53. She emphasizes the importance of passion, perseverance, and the belief that age should not limit one's ability to start a business.

Throughout the episode, Trini shares valuable insights on self-acceptance, the importance of mental health, and the power of community in overcoming personal challenges.

TL;DR

Trini Woodall discusses her journey from addiction to founding Trini London, highlighting personal loss and the importance of resilience.

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I look at your skin and I'm going to

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come over now oh no then I go around

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here turning Woodall beauty queen of the

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screen founder and CEO of Trini London

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one of the fastest growing companies in

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Europe have a great day I went two

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phases in my early 20s of not knowing

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who I was and turning to drugs I went to

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rehab I hope that you'd been kicked out

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the first time for playing a porn video

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Yeah it backfired we had was a huge

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beginning of the change in my life and I

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went into a whole new world following a

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20-year career in media Tony took a left

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turn in the makeup industry here we are

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250 million dollars later welcome to

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Trinity London a lot of people have this

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stigma that you can't start a business

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at 53 crap are you just just

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number but you need energy passion

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perseverance I sold my house hardly

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earning any money but I thought I'm

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never going to give up ask yourself how

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much do you want to be successful what

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are you prepared to give up you strike

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me some that's incredibly driven what's

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the cost very big question probably

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oddly

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you had a partner who was unwell yeah

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and the thing you think will never

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happen happens he died by Suicide yeah

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yeah where do you get to in your brain

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when you are so worried about your

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children that you can convince yourself

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that the best thing is that you're not

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in their life anymore

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was there anything I could have done

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stop it

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pretty

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you've got a very um

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distinct Personality yeah

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you and you know that you're well aware

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of that right

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I know who I am

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but your personality is very

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you're very straightforward yeah

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um and all of these sort of defining

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traits of your personality and I'm

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wondering if that was when that

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personality was formed or when it

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started to emerge

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things happen in your life that that

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begin to you know fine-tune and Define

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who you're going to be and I went

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definitely through phases you know I

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went through phases in my late teens

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early 20s of of turning to drugs just to

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not being happy with who I was not not

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feeling not knowing who I was sometimes

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people turned to drugs because they just

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don't know who they are and they want to

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you know they have an inner lack of

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confidence and I definitely had an inner

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lack of confidence and outwardly

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when I talk to people and I look back at

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the time they might say

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you just were this very mesmerizing

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person and I just remember that internal

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sense of feeling

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so lost so profoundly lost and

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so when I got clean at 26 27

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that was a huge beginning of the change

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in my life I was so relieved that my 20s

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were over so relieved because it you

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know it was like that was the beginning

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of that that's wash that away

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and that was a big moment for me to

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begin to

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work out who I was that was the first

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moment probably you're

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um using drugs at 16 I presume was quite

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a recreational thing yeah I think we all

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dabbled yeah at that age

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um when did it when did you realize that

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it wasn't a recreational thing anymore

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and that it was an addiction

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I think

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I was about 22 and

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I felt my life didn't have Direction and

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my my family were very frustrated with

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me they felt I changed and like any

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family where they have a child who has

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addiction they they can if they don't

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know they just see change and they think

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why is my child changing

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you know so

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I think they saw that and it was a

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relief

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to say you know I I use drugs and I

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remember my dad said well now you've

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told me you can stop and I remember my

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brother saying I think it might be

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harder than that

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so

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I went to rehab and

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I then left the rehab after a period of

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time and

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you left the rehab yeah no I was kicked

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out the First Rehab but I then

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went to meetings

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and there's one thing about recovery is

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that

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when you first get in recovery you

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you need to let go of your old friends

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who you've been with who are using and

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you're about to make new friends so that

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moment is

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loneliness can take you back to Old

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habit after about I don't know maybe six

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months

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I missed my old friends and I hadn't

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made enough new ones and I saw them and

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then you know I

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relapsed

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and then I went back to meetings and

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then you're in this horrible little

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in-between place

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when you know about recovery

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and you continue to use

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it's not so there's something about an

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ignorance of recovery you know there's a

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kind of sense that

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you don't know there's another way so

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you don't feel guilty every time you do

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and so what it brings is it brings guilt

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every single time

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I had three really really good friends

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and we were all using one night and we I

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said

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let's all

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make a pack we'll go to rehab tomorrow

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and two of them had been and one of them

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had never been but we made this Pact

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late night you know that thing we're

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going to do this we're going to conquer

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the world and we're going to go to rehab

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so then the next morning

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I woke up and I still had that feeling

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which is rare

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so I called a therapist that I knew and

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I said I need to go but I have a window

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of opportunity which is so small

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I need to go literally in the next two

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hours because I am scared of myself that

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I'll change my mind

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so he got me in somewhere and stayed

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there for five months and I sold

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what I had to pay for it some very

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tragic thing happens in that time and

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one of the people died and then

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one of the people that said they're

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going to go to rehab with you yeah and

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then

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I went to a halfway house in Western

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supermarket

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seven months where you kind of live off

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eight to ten pounds a week which pays

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for your [ __ ] and I worked in old

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people's home

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and I came back to London

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a very different person and then in that

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following year

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another one and died and then by the end

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of two years they'd all died

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so

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I think I always had

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this feeling

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whatever I might do

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you know I might do many things again

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but I will not take drugs again and you

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do that in recovery you do it a day at a

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time and since that day I have never

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taken a drug again and

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that was that that's probably that

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biggest shift I had at that age to

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really think now I have the second

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chance

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what do I actually want to do with my

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life

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you know what not what I feel other

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people expect me to do

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if I was a flower on the wall in your

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life at at your when the addiction had

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you the most what would I have seen

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you wouldn't have seen anything that I

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was feeling inside

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because that's what I was very good at

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so outwardly

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you would kind of think you know I

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worked in the city I was trading

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Commodities I was I held down a job you

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know you would see this person who

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seemed to be running around doing a lot

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of stuff you would see that

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yeah so mine wasn't

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jacking up in the streets not being able

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to function on a daily basis

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um

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but it was one where

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appearances were so important compared

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to you know so that matching your

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Insight to your outside is probably my

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biggest Journey you know of how can I

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what I feel inside is how I share with

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you now and you know I am 59 and that's

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where I've got to I have a lot more to

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do but I it took me a journey to get to

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a place where I feel

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very comfortable in that feeling and in

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that belief

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matching the inside with the outside so

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the outside I would have seen someone

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who was very busy and apparently you

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know professionally successful in the

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city not feeling it but sort of acting

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it you know that I mean oh my God we

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know that one and then make the CV acted

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you know be kind of big up the job that

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was actually smaller than it was all of

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that [ __ ] and then on the inside

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feeling

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feeling

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you know I hate to say the word because

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I hate I hate labels imposter syndrome

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is the worst can I just say it's the

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worst label it's the worst label ever

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because it what it denotes is that you

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are an imposter

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um for how it's used for now so to me

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imposter syndrome is more that you

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haven't yet learned enough and if you

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learn something you won't feel so much

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of an imposter this

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is what imposter syndrome is

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what I'm referring to it's that feeling

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where

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you are so different on the inside from

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what you project on the outside that you

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are an imposter inside your own body

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and that to me is what I think imposter

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syndrome is what's the what's the cost

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of that

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that at some stage

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you can't keep doing it and you have

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something has to give

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and something always has to give and and

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it's whether it's which path you're

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going to take you know

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because there'll be a lot of people

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listening now that are in a job or a

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situation where they they have that

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feeling that niggling feeling that we're

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in the wrong place yeah

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they might be held there by social

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groups or expectation from their parents

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or whatever it might be but something's

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holding them there yeah maybe fear of

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uncertainty I would say if somebody is

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listening to this and they're thinking

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do I have little bits just ask yourself

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you know do you love what you do it's a

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job you're in if we're talking about

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work do you love what you do do you like

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this environment of where you work

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do you feel people make a better

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contribution than you you know

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because that's what's making you feel

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insecure if so

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what do you feel when people have

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meetings that you don't know

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go and [ __ ] learn it Go and learn it

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Go and listen to podcasts go read some

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books just learn it because knowledge

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is is powerful and when you have

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knowledge and you walk in a room you

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automatically think I have so much more

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to contribute

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if I answer one of those that I

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challenge myself and I go I don't like

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where I'm working and I don't like it

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yeah and I'm you know a Commodities

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Trader in the city for example and I

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just I hate it yeah

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leave it but have a plan but leave it

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like if you hate what you do we spent 16

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hours a day between commuting or if

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you're in a higher position thinking

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about the company working we spend much

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more of a day working than sleeping

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so you gotta love it you've got to love

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it you know I was like in my early 20s I

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was one woman 64 men on a trading four

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and I hated it and I dressed in men's

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clothing and I went to Rosetti and got

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the men's shoes and I got the tailor to

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make me a suit or the man would drop

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their trousers in the on the training

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floor but I'd go in the ladies room and

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get you know I'd pretend to have a deep

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voice I was on the phone selling

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anglo-american fun so my client thought

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I was a man I mean you know I did all

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this stuff I haste it so much Stephen

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and I would go I would take the tube to

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Tower Hill we would the World Trade

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Center in London

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it has Financial Times on the outside

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and the Daily Mail on the inside that

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was my full extent of who I was

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and you know I left it were you an

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attention seeker more generally in life

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because when I heard that you'd been

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kicked out of rehab the first time for

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playing a porn video yeah I thought

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that that was that was a a funny one

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but not funny in the end

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um

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it was a terrible rehab I was with

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somebody

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um uh

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to

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last night in New York

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and we were going to this funeral as

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this friend of mine who was like 43

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years sober and um

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I discovered I've been to the same place

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with her and um same rehab yeah but at

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different times and she just said you

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know

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it was the most fundamentally shaming

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place ever

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in rehab now are very different but it

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was a very very shaming place

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and

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it will be closed down now it wasn't it

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didn't have a good way of dealing with

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things so in that whole scenario

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there was definitely that feeling that

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you're you're you're thrown in with

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people you don't know and you reveal

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your life and it was a time when

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you would write down your life story and

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then

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in rehabs nowadays because I visit

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friends in them or whatever you would

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kind of people

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help you navigate why you did things in

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your life but in this one they did the

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stuff where they would get 20 people to

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critique how bad your life had been in a

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room

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and and judge you for it and it was I

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mean just like looking back on it now at

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the time that was the only way recovery

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worked in rehabs in the UK but it was

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just it was kind of [ __ ] appalling

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and she reminded me last night so when

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you bring up this thing of that of that

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um

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porno film and I think it was that sense

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of let me just do something that people

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will find funny because we're having

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such a shitty time here and it backfired

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and it was just you know I was tucked

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out what I have been able to pinpoint is

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the because at least from the outside

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looking in your life was you know you

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had a great job you had this um

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addiction which didn't seem to interfere

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with your work so you know when I sit

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here with someone like Macklemore or

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Russell Brand or even I remember

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speaking to Stevo they talk about their

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addictions and you know he was he was on

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a I don't know four or five day heroin

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binge and he drove a car he said he's

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gonna I think he drove a car through a

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house and then yeah he was threatening

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to jump out the window yeah when you

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know he ultimately ended up in rehab but

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it didn't seem I can't identify the

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symptoms that drove you to go I can't do

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this anymore

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I think we have

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everyone has a different story

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externally of I did this and I did this

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and there's a bit of

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I did even more than you you know

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there's this whole thing in that you

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know addicts maximize their using and

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alcoholics minimize their drinking

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all right and that's why

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our colleagues can take longer to get

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into sobriety and and addicts can take

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shorter because also drugs can kill you

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quicker

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um so there are there's that kind of you

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know and I think also

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I don't know it's it's different but um

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maybe I don't talk so much about the

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crazy things I did

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oh okay yeah

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because I think we all do crazy things

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yeah yeah and

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um but I

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I feel that I have a daughter who's 19.

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sure and I wouldn't talk about crazy

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things I did yeah okay so we move on

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from there and then the next sort of 10

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15 years of your life you have this

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media career how aligned were you of

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this chapter of your life um so when I

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did TV and writing

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I really love that I think what was very

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nice is we developed this these women

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who found us a breath pressure I love

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the fact that

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people would say oh you know I read your

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book and it's changed how I think about

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myself or you know and at the time when

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we look back at What Not to Wear it's a

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very divisive show at the time

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it made a lot of women and women that I

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meet now who watch the show at the time

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tell me the impact it had on them to

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think about themselves differently but I

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enjoyed it I enjoyed traveling around

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England and making over women and having

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that journey and over you know over a

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week you saw the metamorphosis of a

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person you work with and you saw them at

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the beginning and at the end and then we

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kept in touch with many of the women and

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then you would hear about their

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marriages and their babies and they're

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life-changing and and that you knew

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there was a tiny contribution you'd made

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to that switch in them turning the

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switch on to feel different why did it

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end at the show we'd gone from doing

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series of thought I see with icba yeah

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and writing a book a year to doing three

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or four shows I took on average about 55

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flights a year I left London on a Sunday

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night I came back on a Friday I had a

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seven-year-old daughter

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and I had a partner who wasn't always

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well

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so it was just at a stage where I

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thought I need to readjust how my

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personal life is and I need to think

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what can I do now because this doesn't

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work I had a partner that wasn't always

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well I remember reading a line in your

00:18:15

book where you said 99 of the things we

00:18:17

worry about don't happen but that one

00:18:19

percent happened to us and he said it to

00:18:22

me is that what he said to you yeah

00:18:24

he would always say it I mean I always

00:18:26

remind Lila what did Dada say when she's

00:18:28

worried about stuff

00:18:31

and he said he's the one that said the

00:18:32

99 of things we were about don't

00:18:34

actually happen yeah

00:18:36

I had a partner who was unwell unwell in

00:18:38

what way addiction

00:18:39

he was addicted to yeah

00:18:43

yeah and you you met him when you were

00:18:46

35 no no I met him when I got clean I

00:18:51

met him when I was 27. oh you got

00:18:53

married when you were 35 yeah

00:18:55

and he was in recovery

00:18:56

oh okay

00:18:59

so okay when you're younger you

00:19:02

um went through recovery he went through

00:19:04

recovery as well but then relapsed he

00:19:07

had a motorbike accident

00:19:09

and he was very badly hurt and he took

00:19:11

painkillers

00:19:14

and got addicted to the painkillers

00:19:18

what is what is what is that like

00:19:19

because people think of painkillers that

00:19:22

don't know addiction to painkillers and

00:19:23

they think of paracetamol or something

00:19:25

my only experience with painkillers is

00:19:27

taking a paracetamol maybe four years

00:19:28

ago

00:19:29

I think when you're in a relationship

00:19:31

with somebody

00:19:33

who has a form of addiction

00:19:36

there's an unpredictability and an

00:19:38

inconsistency

00:19:39

in how they turn off every day

00:19:47

and I think in any

00:19:50

times when it's not great

00:19:54

you end up

00:19:57

to an extent having the crumbs off the

00:19:59

table it's like you're so holding on to

00:20:01

those moments when everything's good

00:20:04

that you try and ignore

00:20:06

what isn't working

00:20:10

and at the same time I was thinking

00:20:11

about well you got married in the year

00:20:13

that you were starting your business

00:20:14

your tech company it's a lot to deal

00:20:16

with if you've got a partner at home

00:20:18

that you're married to that is

00:20:19

struggling with addiction you're

00:20:20

starting a business yeah but they were

00:20:22

well at that time okay yeah they were

00:20:24

well at that time they had periods

00:20:26

definitely through our through our

00:20:28

marriage where they were well

00:20:29

really well

00:20:31

the relationship breaks down

00:20:33

yeah you get divorced yeah

00:20:36

you go your Separate Ways you remain

00:20:39

close yeah

00:20:41

and then

00:20:42

Johnny ultimately passes away around the

00:20:45

time when you finish before you start

00:20:47

Trini London but around the time when

00:20:49

you finish What Not to Wear and you

00:20:51

separate from Susan yeah I separate from

00:20:53

Susanna and I started working on I'd

00:20:57

started working on Trinity London yeah

00:21:00

but I was still filming abroad I was

00:21:02

still doing Telly shows abroad but I was

00:21:04

also working on the business

00:21:06

and you were close to him yeah still

00:21:08

even though you had separated yeah

00:21:10

yeah we spoke every day on the phone

00:21:12

every day yeah

00:21:16

he passes away when you're 50.

00:21:19

yeah

00:21:21

how does that change things in your life

00:21:28

um

00:21:30

strangers you become a single parent

00:21:34

um

00:21:37

the thing you think will never happen

00:21:39

happens

00:21:41

so it's a wake-up call just for

00:21:45

life

00:21:46

and how you see life

00:21:56

it took me a long time to grieve because

00:21:59

he left a mess

00:22:01

when he died which I had to kind of deal

00:22:04

with it yeah Financial mess just yeah

00:22:08

just a mess and so

00:22:11

it preoccupies you to not then actually

00:22:14

just think about what you miss in

00:22:16

somebody

00:22:18

you know it just you focus on what

00:22:20

you've got to do you go on to autopilot

00:22:22

you think of the kind of things you've

00:22:25

got to deal with

00:22:27

and

00:22:32

probably oddly

00:22:36

I moved in March and that was the first

00:22:39

time I remember

00:22:42

Lila went away

00:22:44

and it was first time in

00:22:46

35 years I'd been on my own in-house

00:22:52

and I grieved for Johnny

00:22:56

all those years later

00:23:03

did something trigger that no I think

00:23:05

it's just you need

00:23:06

as long as you need space you need to

00:23:10

you know he died there was a mass I then

00:23:13

starting the business

00:23:15

I was living in a house I couldn't

00:23:16

afford to live in I had to sell it for

00:23:18

lots of reasons one of them

00:23:21

you know for that reason and

00:23:24

there was so much I was so many sort of

00:23:26

fires I was dealing with

00:23:28

and

00:23:31

and then I was you know trying to start

00:23:33

the business

00:23:35

trying to guide Lila to you know be okay

00:23:40

so there was a lot of years of that and

00:23:43

then another life change of just

00:23:45

deciding I want to live on my own

00:23:47

then brought up in a way

00:23:51

to be able to just

00:23:53

feel some things that I hadn't really

00:23:55

let myself feel and I think sometimes in

00:23:57

life

00:23:58

we know we're not

00:24:00

in that part of that strong enough to

00:24:03

feel that feeling and move forward and

00:24:06

we have to be in the right situation and

00:24:07

give ourselves that right breathing

00:24:09

space to be able to feel the fullness of

00:24:11

that feeling without judgment or guilt

00:24:15

or remorse you know because all the

00:24:18

other ones are so connected to

00:24:22

situations externally and it's very

00:24:25

difficult to get to a situation where

00:24:26

you're not bringing all the external

00:24:29

factors in and you're just feeling how

00:24:32

you feel about somebody

00:24:34

what was the fullness of that feeling in

00:24:36

that moment

00:24:42

I think

00:24:43

um

00:24:51

there was nothing there's nothing better

00:24:55

in anyone else than the bestness of

00:24:57

Johnny

00:25:00

if that makes sense

00:25:02

and I missed it

00:25:10

the circumstances of his death are

00:25:13

particularly complicated because he he

00:25:17

didn't die by natural causes he died by

00:25:19

Suicide

00:25:21

and having sat here and spoken to people

00:25:24

who've lost a partner or an ex in such a

00:25:27

way

00:25:29

um the feelings uh from what I've seen

00:25:32

are much more complicated

00:25:36

I think anyone dying

00:25:38

who dies unexpectedly

00:25:40

whether from illness or anything it's

00:25:47

somebody is gone you know that's that's

00:25:49

the biggest fundamental of anything the

00:25:52

circumstances

00:25:56

Drive how differently people deal with

00:25:58

death so you know some

00:26:02

members of his family wanted to believe

00:26:04

there was a conspiracy theory some you

00:26:06

know you you suddenly have

00:26:09

101 kind of

00:26:12

views on things and stuff that really

00:26:16

confuses and complicates the fact that

00:26:19

somebody has gone you know they've gone

00:26:21

nothing is going to bring them back they

00:26:22

have gone

00:26:25

but it leaves more questions

00:26:27

and then you look at

00:26:31

your part in something

00:26:33

you know and that's

00:26:36

every person who has had somebody commit

00:26:40

suicide at some stage will say

00:26:43

was anything I could have done stop it

00:26:45

you know that's the first thing

00:26:47

for sure

00:26:48

if you love somebody

00:26:50

um

00:26:52

and the more I have learned about

00:26:55

suicide the more that

00:26:58

you know that when people

00:27:01

when people will talk about wanting to

00:27:04

kill themselves

00:27:08

I'm not saying it happens less

00:27:09

frequently than people who don't but

00:27:11

once somebody makes a decision

00:27:14

that that's what they're going to do

00:27:15

they don't talk about it

00:27:18

you know

00:27:21

and you'd like to feel you'd pick up on

00:27:23

it

00:27:25

but

00:27:26

I think it's the hardest lesson to learn

00:27:29

but when you

00:27:30

then come across people where you feel

00:27:34

that you now pick up on

00:27:36

those

00:27:38

not saying things that

00:27:41

there's a lot of internalizing going on

00:27:43

and should you be reaching out and just

00:27:47

talking getting them to talk because

00:27:51

people get themselves to a stage where

00:27:53

they feel it's the only solution

00:27:56

and

00:27:57

what's staggering is

00:27:59

Johnny had hyper vigilance around his

00:28:02

children because he'd been in the

00:28:04

Israeli Army and he was paramedic and he

00:28:06

had a really it was really tough

00:28:09

the situation

00:28:11

and he he had from it post traumatic

00:28:14

stress disorder

00:28:15

which wasn't

00:28:17

um acknowledged you know it wasn't

00:28:18

diagnosed until about 20 years later but

00:28:21

one of the things was hyper vigilance

00:28:23

around his children so he had he was

00:28:24

always so you know worried for their

00:28:27

welfare

00:28:29

so you kind of have this thing of

00:28:32

where do you get to in your brain

00:28:35

when you are so worried about your

00:28:37

children

00:28:39

that you can convince yourself the best

00:28:41

thing for your children who you love

00:28:43

profoundly

00:28:45

is that you're not in their life anymore

00:28:50

and that

00:29:03

is something that

00:29:07

is so important that we can help people

00:29:10

who get to that situation that they

00:29:12

don't get to that final part of that

00:29:13

situation

00:29:18

and it's understanding what to recognize

00:29:20

is understanding you know

00:29:22

and it's very hard to recognize you know

00:29:25

I didn't recognize

00:29:27

and there were lots of

00:29:35

details of it which

00:29:40

could have really upset me you know of

00:29:42

things that

00:29:44

were done wrong just were just like

00:29:47

police stuff that was done you know lots

00:29:49

of things which you could hold on you

00:29:50

can hold on to lots of things

00:29:56

but you kind of have to let go when I

00:29:58

see people who have family who have died

00:30:00

and they want to hold on to things

00:30:03

or get this thing you know and it's like

00:30:08

all those things you might hold on to

00:30:10

will prevent you to go through the

00:30:12

process of grieving

00:30:14

because it will hold you in this place

00:30:16

and time and you won't just be sitting

00:30:19

with that you know and you won't be able

00:30:21

to work through and you know when

00:30:22

somebody dies you need to work through

00:30:25

these stages

00:30:27

and acknowledge these stages but not get

00:30:29

stuck in something which eats you up

00:30:32

so even though there were all these

00:30:34

things

00:30:35

that kind of could have eaten me up

00:30:39

sort of new and I had a very good

00:30:41

there's a wonderful one called Julia

00:30:43

Samuel and she wrote this too shall pass

00:30:47

and another book called grief works I

00:30:49

don't know if you've ever had her on

00:30:49

your podcast she's an incredible

00:30:51

um

00:30:52

grief counselor

00:30:54

and

00:30:55

I saw her straight away she came to my

00:30:58

house when

00:31:02

when I knew and I hadn't yet told Lila

00:31:11

the first thing is you need to find the

00:31:13

words of what to say

00:31:18

gee

00:31:19

um was a friend of my sister and she

00:31:21

gave me words it's like you just feel so

00:31:25

like this

00:31:29

I'm at a good place with it now and I

00:31:31

think that final thing was

00:31:34

this the moment I by myself when Lila

00:31:36

went off and

00:31:38

for a week and I just I thought it came

00:31:41

very

00:31:42

I'm totally you know this is eight years

00:31:45

later

00:31:46

but things take time

00:31:50

so interesting how the the process of

00:31:52

grief that those first sort of eight

00:31:54

years where you kind of compartmentalize

00:31:56

or it's not the right time to address it

00:31:58

yet because there's other things going

00:31:59

on and then eight years later how it can

00:32:01

show up in a moment of like Solitude and

00:32:04

yeah in a moment of space and come out

00:32:07

it's interesting because I think there's

00:32:08

so many of us whether it's the grief of

00:32:10

losing someone or the grief of some

00:32:12

other form of trauma that we have it

00:32:14

compartmentalized and it might be

00:32:17

um impacting our lives in ways we don't

00:32:18

we don't understand I hear this a lot

00:32:21

when I speak to people about you know

00:32:22

their mood or you know they're a

00:32:25

slightly different person through that

00:32:26

period but until they were able to kind

00:32:28

of sit down and confront it and and go

00:32:30

through the process of grief they they

00:32:31

didn't realize that they'd it changed

00:32:33

them in some way

00:32:35

eight years later you have your moment

00:32:40

53 years old you start

00:32:43

Trini yeah

00:32:46

big smile on your face

00:32:50

you know starting a business like that

00:32:52

at 53 a lot of people have a like a

00:32:55

stigma or a stereotype that you can't

00:32:57

start a business in midlife you know you

00:33:00

shouldn't be doing that at that point or

00:33:01

that you know you won't be able to raise

00:33:03

you know all of those kind of stigmas

00:33:04

around starting a business in midlife

00:33:05

crap crap yeah Turtle crap

00:33:09

I started a business at 16 called what's

00:33:12

my first business Bose unlimited when I

00:33:14

was at school I sold hair bows I know

00:33:16

um and then I started business at 53 so

00:33:18

it's like there's no other way to put it

00:33:20

that that age is is a number

00:33:23

it is just a [ __ ] number and you can

00:33:26

either mention that number endlessly or

00:33:29

you can look at

00:33:31

what energy do you have at that moment

00:33:33

in time to execute on your dream

00:33:37

that's all that's that's all you need

00:33:39

energy

00:33:41

all you need well you need a lot but you

00:33:43

know you need to feel that you need

00:33:45

energy passion Drive relentlessness

00:33:48

perseverance resilience

00:33:51

put yourself off and just get [ __ ] on

00:33:52

with it you need all of those things but

00:33:54

you need

00:33:56

the energy so that you jump out of bed

00:33:58

in the morning and you are on it

00:34:01

did it take time for you to cultivate

00:34:03

that in the process after after Johnny

00:34:05

passed was there like a do you know what

00:34:07

I mean because I did I did uh ready to

00:34:10

before and for that I was you know it

00:34:12

did 18-hour days for two and a half

00:34:15

years it's like it you know it's it's in

00:34:17

me that I've I've been a grafter for

00:34:19

quite a long time so you've been mulling

00:34:21

this idea for many many many years yeah

00:34:22

then

00:34:24

um

00:34:24

and then you finally put it into action

00:34:26

I I heard you say I started pitching in

00:34:28

2014 and it took me three years to

00:34:30

launch yeah

00:34:31

I started pitching in 2013 I think

00:34:34

and what were you pitching I was

00:34:36

pitching what was the elevator pitch the

00:34:38

elevator pitch was

00:34:40

um to create portable

00:34:45

cream based

00:34:46

personalized makeup

00:34:48

for women

00:34:50

35 Plus

00:34:52

and how was that pitch received

00:34:54

I did 48 pitches before one person fit I

00:34:58

must have sent 300 emails

00:35:00

what kind of uh negative feedback did

00:35:02

you get oh I had lots I had

00:35:04

um

00:35:05

I had you don't have enough followers

00:35:09

fine I had like I think 50 000 followers

00:35:11

then

00:35:12

um I had your two old starter business

00:35:15

I had who's going to really run the

00:35:17

business

00:35:18

come on oh that's a nice list I love

00:35:21

that one you live in this Neverland it's

00:35:23

not like it's never going to happen but

00:35:24

it's never going to happen but you don't

00:35:26

put words to either you sit like this

00:35:27

place and I had that feeling I thought

00:35:31

are people ever going to get it but I

00:35:33

thought I'm never going to give up so

00:35:34

they were both sat side by side really

00:35:36

starting why didn't you give up

00:35:37

because I knew it was a [ __ ] good

00:35:39

idea and I knew it would work I just had

00:35:41

to find the right people who would get

00:35:42

it but even selling you know everyone's

00:35:44

telling you to I don't care everyone's

00:35:45

telling me no I know and I know enough

00:35:47

and I believe in myself enough to know I

00:35:49

know it's a good idea I just know it I

00:35:53

just gotta find somebody who has the

00:35:54

vision to understand it how did you know

00:35:56

it though

00:35:57

because I know women

00:36:00

because I've made over 5 000 women in my

00:36:03

life because I know what women Miss I

00:36:05

know the frustration they feel at the

00:36:07

beauty counter I know that some of them

00:36:09

don't want to admit they don't know how

00:36:10

to do a smokey eye I know that some

00:36:12

women feel stuck but they don't know how

00:36:13

to articulate how do I do it again

00:36:15

because I don't want to seem silly in

00:36:17

front of my friends I know that some

00:36:19

women feel just

00:36:22

they could never do that was it

00:36:25

expensive to start the business yes what

00:36:26

were the personal sacrifices

00:36:28

there are phys there are Financial ones

00:36:31

and there are friendship ones did you

00:36:34

have to sell any tables let's start with

00:36:35

the finances no but I sold my house you

00:36:37

sold your house yeah I sold my house and

00:36:39

I'd kind of why because I couldn't

00:36:41

afford to stay in it

00:36:43

I had debt I had a big mortgage I had

00:36:46

kind of when I separated with Johnny I'd

00:36:48

wanted to get this house that I bought

00:36:50

that would enable me to walk my daughter

00:36:52

to school I just wanted this thing okay

00:36:54

like desperately so I bought this house

00:36:57

with a really big mortgage and I did

00:37:00

alone and I did it from scratch and it

00:37:04

was my dream every single little element

00:37:06

of this house I built did that make you

00:37:09

sad that realization because it seems

00:37:10

like the idea that I would have to leave

00:37:12

the house was something I thought about

00:37:15

every single day for six months and

00:37:16

thought what can I do to prevent it

00:37:18

because I've worked this hard for so

00:37:20

long to have this house I've always

00:37:23

wanted to own a house you know

00:37:27

but once you let go of it it's just a

00:37:31

[ __ ] house

00:37:35

and you think there's a bigger picture

00:37:37

and the bigger picture

00:37:39

maybe you could buy me five houses but

00:37:41

the bigger picture is

00:37:42

that there is a bigger picture not even

00:37:44

to look to the stage where you might be

00:37:46

able to buy a nicer house but it's like

00:37:48

I was on a mission Stephen I was on a

00:37:50

mission I thought I've got to make it

00:37:53

happen I can't not do this there was no

00:37:55

turning back I couldn't not start the

00:37:58

business so then it was what did I have

00:37:59

to do start the business because first

00:38:01

of all I sold all my clothes I did the

00:38:04

sale and I went on to Emily's List and I

00:38:06

EMILY's List is this and I was renting

00:38:08

out the house so I didn't care who came

00:38:10

my house I had like a thousand people

00:38:12

coming in my house buying clothes so I

00:38:15

raised in two sales 60 Grand because I

00:38:17

used to borrow I used to follow Gary

00:38:19

vaynerchuk and Gary was always like what

00:38:21

the [ __ ] can you sell in your house you

00:38:22

know you can sell your trainers you

00:38:23

won't spend a fortune on those people

00:38:25

who are saying oh whinging to Gary and

00:38:27

Gary saying sell something everyone has

00:38:29

something they can sell well how much do

00:38:32

you want the business how much do you

00:38:34

want to be successful and start the

00:38:35

business what are you prepare to give up

00:38:37

look at the long-term game was there any

00:38:40

doubt even a whisper of doubt I say this

00:38:42

in part because I look back on when I

00:38:44

started my business I was keeping diary

00:38:45

entries yeah um and I was I feel the

00:38:48

same as you there was no going back

00:38:50

there was definitely not plan B my

00:38:51

parents went there's no plan B yeah I'm

00:38:52

shoplifting pizzas at this point to pick

00:38:54

myself I'm like I can only go forward

00:38:56

right yeah I haven't paid my rent in

00:38:58

three months my rent is only 150 pounds

00:39:00

in rush home yeah um but then I and so I

00:39:02

will recount that moment of my life is I

00:39:05

I zoom in on the tenacity and the

00:39:07

certainty and this conviction yeah but

00:39:09

then I look at these diary entries and

00:39:10

on this day

00:39:12

I'm like doubting myself a little bit it

00:39:14

didn't last yeah but there was a there

00:39:15

was a day where it was like a rocky for

00:39:17

sure you know it's not all like the

00:39:20

thing is the overarching theme is I

00:39:23

can't go back yeah it shouldn't negate

00:39:25

the fact you're going to have doubt

00:39:27

you're going to question you know it's

00:39:29

like

00:39:30

doesn't think somebody will believe in

00:39:32

it but there was like another 10

00:39:34

meetings and nobody has you know you

00:39:35

think yeah yeah and also at the end of

00:39:38

an investor present you when you present

00:39:39

to investors

00:39:41

the real questioning of your integrity

00:39:44

over your idea

00:39:46

is how much you decide what was

00:39:50

the last meeting they had in the room

00:39:52

which they brought that advice to your

00:39:54

meeting on a totally different business

00:39:56

to kind of talk about the market or I

00:39:58

mean the amount of times I've talked

00:40:00

about like you know it's about growth

00:40:02

it's not about retention it's about 70

00:40:05

new customers 30 retention and I was

00:40:07

always saying no it's 60 retention 40

00:40:10

growth but saying this when Casper

00:40:12

mattresses was going high-fly was like

00:40:14

nobody wants listen I know how then why

00:40:17

they didn't invest because their whole

00:40:18

thing was growth retention [ __ ] you

00:40:20

know and it's like retention is

00:40:22

everything you've got to download grow

00:40:23

you've got to have new customers but if

00:40:24

you don't have the Bedrock of retention

00:40:26

the kind of classic you know like

00:40:29

companies that don't do any publicity

00:40:31

like

00:40:33

um Five Guys or some companies that

00:40:35

haven't done much publicity they're

00:40:38

relying on the customer loving it

00:40:39

they're relying on getting new customers

00:40:41

from their customers you know they're

00:40:43

relying on the most classic Word of

00:40:45

Mouth moment but you've got to

00:40:48

build a company on cement and I felt at

00:40:51

the time these guys looking around

00:40:53

they're building it on quicksand you've

00:40:55

got to then leave that investor meeting

00:40:57

and think what do I take away

00:41:00

that's good advice so the advice I took

00:41:03

away to myself was if I'm in a room of

00:41:05

predominantly man

00:41:07

I want to go in and a female trait to me

00:41:10

as you want to paint the entire picture

00:41:11

you want to bring somebody into your

00:41:13

universe and you want to show them

00:41:15

everything

00:41:16

so they don't have one thing they can

00:41:18

hone in on to make sense of your

00:41:21

business and join the dots you don't

00:41:23

give them the dot Joiner so therefore

00:41:26

the thing I learned was to go in and say

00:41:28

look

00:41:29

we're starting with this

00:41:31

and from this I'm going to give you this

00:41:34

and then we'll get to that

00:41:36

and they're like okay and it's not many

00:41:39

slow and women are faster it's like

00:41:40

there is a fundamental difference in how

00:41:43

people need information delivered to

00:41:45

them so they can absorb it go yeah that

00:41:47

ticks my box and then be ready to listen

00:41:49

to the next bit of information and that

00:41:50

I didn't know I didn't know into the

00:41:52

10th pitch and then in the 10th pitch or

00:41:54

whatever halfway through my pitching I

00:41:57

kind of thought actually what am I not

00:41:59

doing right here to convey because if I

00:42:01

believe this is a good idea if I believe

00:42:02

it has legs

00:42:04

what am I not getting through to them

00:42:06

that I need to and that's the vision of

00:42:09

the future kind of it's a bit the vision

00:42:10

of the future it's like there's a real

00:42:12

classic that if you are a woman

00:42:15

generally men if it's predominantly

00:42:18

males they will ask how do you protect

00:42:19

your downside and if I'm a man sitting

00:42:21

here they will say how do you maximize

00:42:22

your upside

00:42:24

it's a classic all right so when then so

00:42:27

just to explain for people that don't

00:42:28

understand

00:42:29

um downside is basically like how do you

00:42:31

how do you negate your risk yeah so so

00:42:33

you know how do you protect your risk

00:42:36

you know what happens if you have a

00:42:37

problem with the product what happens if

00:42:38

you can't find a customer what happens

00:42:39

if blah blah blah and maximizing the

00:42:42

upside is how you're going to scale how

00:42:44

you're going to make that business

00:42:45

bigger so

00:42:47

I thought I was like okay

00:42:49

so then when they would start to get to

00:42:52

that little thing I would say you know

00:42:54

what

00:42:54

these three ways like any business is

00:42:57

what I'll be doing now let us focus on

00:42:59

how I'm going to maximize the upside

00:43:02

and just kind of gently not insultingly

00:43:04

sometimes I was a little bit you know so

00:43:07

you became aware of their Prejudice and

00:43:10

would counteract it before they kind of

00:43:12

had a chance to use that as a way to

00:43:14

yeah you kind of want to bring in

00:43:16

conversation well but it took me a while

00:43:17

Stephen it took me because I had never

00:43:19

gone to you know when I did investor

00:43:21

presentations in 99

00:43:23

I did five and I got it you know in

00:43:25

those two of them invested it was a very

00:43:27

different time and pitching a concept

00:43:30

how did you counteract the prejudice

00:43:33

that you knew was existing in those

00:43:35

pitch boardrooms

00:43:38

or did you how did you deal with it

00:43:40

because there's a part of me that

00:43:41

thought

00:43:43

like I went to one and he said I love

00:43:46

the idea but it will only be successful

00:43:48

if you do it for Millennials or gen Z

00:43:51

because they're the only people who are

00:43:53

going to buy like that because women of

00:43:55

of your age don't know how to buy makeup

00:43:57

online okay and at the time 26 of people

00:44:01

bought Beauty Online all right and of

00:44:03

that 26 maybe 15 were in the demographic

00:44:07

that I said

00:44:08

but I said I'm providing personalization

00:44:12

that will make a woman and I will talk

00:44:14

to women in a way of a language they

00:44:16

understand to think actually maybe if I

00:44:19

went online I'd be better diagnosed than

00:44:21

if I went in store because she has this

00:44:23

personalization and and then when it

00:44:26

launched and those very first few people

00:44:27

who had never shopped for makeup online

00:44:30

did it and thought this is better than

00:44:33

me going to Peach Jones

00:44:34

it was like

00:44:36

spread the word spread the word and it

00:44:38

built on itself but at that time when

00:44:39

the man from this uh VC was saying that

00:44:43

and I was like I left the room and I

00:44:46

thought I actually would not want this

00:44:47

person to invest in my business anyway

00:44:49

so there is that maturity you can get of

00:44:51

thinking because you've got to also you

00:44:54

know when you're going for money you

00:44:55

very much feel the powers in their hands

00:44:57

and there's got to be something you're

00:44:58

bringing through and where you think do

00:44:59

I want these people to invest in my

00:45:02

business and to get to a stage where

00:45:04

you're the one in a way on the back foot

00:45:05

because you're wanting the cash how can

00:45:07

you then say to yourself turn it around

00:45:10

you know do I want

00:45:13

these people in the business have they

00:45:15

got something to contribute and asking

00:45:18

them questions like what will you

00:45:20

contribute what do you do for your other

00:45:22

VCS I've spoken to a few you know you

00:45:24

have this big thing saying that you get

00:45:26

the CMOS together and whatever but do

00:45:28

you actually do that and how does that

00:45:30

happen to you and

00:45:31

how much is this business worth in your

00:45:34

perspective

00:45:35

don't give out valuations oh I read 180

00:45:38

million online

00:45:40

it's

00:45:41

doing well though yeah what can you tell

00:45:44

me about the scale of the business to

00:45:45

give just to give us an inclination

00:45:47

we've you know grown

00:45:51

over 100 a year probably over five years

00:45:54

yeah we did

00:45:57

50 something Million last year

00:46:00

um we uh we sell 180 countries

00:46:04

we started skincare year and a half

00:46:06

goats now

00:46:08

38 of my Revenue

00:46:11

so it's growing quite quickly it has the

00:46:12

highest retention so when I look at the

00:46:15

business and I look at retention of

00:46:16

product

00:46:17

for me the value of the business

00:46:20

and look at what product bases there are

00:46:22

so that to me is an exciting place a

00:46:26

business is going to

00:46:28

um we're localizing in different

00:46:30

countries so there's one thing to be

00:46:32

sold internationally but then when you

00:46:35

localize it takes a lot of

00:46:38

um

00:46:40

personalization across yeah it does and

00:46:42

so we we did it when we're about 50 in

00:46:45

the UK and then we're about 23 in

00:46:48

Australia with 10 in America that is a

00:46:51

fantastic business yeah and I would like

00:46:53

to invest well when you think about your

00:46:55

character traits and what you bring to

00:46:57

the business what what is that and how

00:46:59

has that led the business to become

00:47:01

successful because I think in Founders

00:47:02

we talked earlier about focusing on the

00:47:03

thing you're good at yeah what is the

00:47:05

thing that Trinny is good at in this

00:47:07

business

00:47:08

I think I'm good at understanding how

00:47:11

women react to things and what they want

00:47:13

and how you speak to somebody so they

00:47:15

can hear it I think that's probably what

00:47:18

I know

00:47:20

better than anyone else in the company

00:47:21

how do you speak to someone so that they

00:47:23

hear it

00:47:25

well years ago I did Oprah an Oprah

00:47:27

taught me a lot and she was she is an

00:47:30

amazing woman but when I used to do her

00:47:32

shows

00:47:33

we would tell her stuff because we'd

00:47:34

just done a book and it'll become a

00:47:36

number one time bestseller in America

00:47:38

and it was like she helped us do that

00:47:39

but she would tell them stuff I'd said

00:47:42

and then she would repeat it three times

00:47:44

within that half an hour you just repeat

00:47:46

it repeat it and I said afterwards over

00:47:49

you you always repeat she said because

00:47:51

it registers

00:47:53

they get reminded

00:47:55

they remember

00:47:57

so that sense of

00:48:00

you say something

00:48:02

and you say it three times in maybe

00:48:04

three different ways so that by the end

00:48:07

of that conversation somebody walks away

00:48:09

with a new thought in their head so

00:48:11

there is that and I don't

00:48:13

consciously do that anymore I think at

00:48:15

the beginning I probably did because I

00:48:17

remember what she said and then it got

00:48:19

into a habit

00:48:20

but

00:48:21

and it's also remembering who you speak

00:48:23

to

00:48:24

because when you speak when I do

00:48:27

my contribution to to Trinity London of

00:48:30

on social

00:48:31

I could be speaking to many different

00:48:33

women I could be speaking to a nurse on

00:48:35

18 Grand a year who saves up every month

00:48:37

to buy one thing

00:48:39

and I could be speaking to somebody who

00:48:41

could buy 10 things and choose to spy us

00:48:43

okay so it's quite a broad remit but

00:48:46

they all realize

00:48:49

because of what I was talking about the

00:48:51

importance of actually buying things

00:48:53

that really work for your skin and not

00:48:54

wasting your money and and not putting

00:48:57

things on that are bad for your skin I

00:48:59

don't mean bad like green I mean like

00:49:01

don't do anything for your skin or just

00:49:03

understanding what you should use is not

00:49:05

what your best friend should use

00:49:07

and because I've I had very bad acne I

00:49:10

mean like when you talked about your

00:49:11

turning off the light okay I used to

00:49:14

decide what restaurant do I go into like

00:49:15

if I was going out and as an 18 year old

00:49:18

and I had this lighting I would

00:49:20

literally say can we go to another

00:49:21

restaurant because you would see my acne

00:49:23

postures

00:49:25

um coming down and I would go like I'd

00:49:26

literally I'd be like this for dinner so

00:49:29

that obsession with my skin and the

00:49:32

effect it gave all my confidence and put

00:49:35

was a lot of what I put into when we

00:49:37

look at what ingredients are we going to

00:49:39

use and how are we going to use them and

00:49:40

we have a lab in England you know I'm

00:49:41

proud the fact we have a lab we make

00:49:43

things from scratch we're not like hey

00:49:45

let's put a label on here and say Trini

00:49:47

London you know are you proud of the

00:49:48

business very

00:49:50

are you proud of yourself

00:49:54

um

00:49:56

yes I am when I remembered I mean I get

00:49:59

when I remember to be no like you've

00:50:01

crossed your arms look at the body

00:50:02

language no

00:50:04

I am I don't

00:50:07

it's very easy to well I never get to a

00:50:09

place conceit

00:50:11

um many people are proud for me

00:50:14

and I sometimes find that challenging

00:50:18

it's like I want to move the

00:50:19

conversation on why I don't know I don't

00:50:22

I can't answer it and it's just a thing

00:50:24

you know but I'll have good friends of

00:50:26

mine who've known me a long time who

00:50:28

will

00:50:30

just say you know

00:50:32

very lovely things about having grown

00:50:35

the business I I often I'm gonna happen

00:50:37

how do you feel and so on because we got

00:50:39

it together because we must go through

00:50:40

it I'm asking questions but I I but you

00:50:43

also okay so give me your feedback well

00:50:45

when someone gives me a big compliment

00:50:47

at the same time they're also reminding

00:50:49

me of everything I could lose and so I

00:50:51

think my natural way of dealing with

00:50:53

things is as you've kind of described is

00:50:55

that forward motion that void Motion

00:50:57

makes me feel stable yeah so whenever

00:50:59

someone comes to me gives me a

00:51:00

compliment about something I've achieved

00:51:01

it's it's um I always say like

00:51:04

Chaos's stability and stability is chaos

00:51:06

it's a moment of stability that I don't

00:51:08

like like just the idea of of

00:51:10

accomplishment yeah creates a stability

00:51:13

that I don't like I want chaos I need

00:51:14

that forward motion to feel stable it's

00:51:17

a weird one because it's like a lot of

00:51:19

people would disagree with what you're

00:51:21

saying in terms in terms of you know

00:51:23

sort of a self-worth guru who's saying

00:51:25

you've got to you've got to you know

00:51:27

take a step to

00:51:29

a lot of friends who Satan you need to

00:51:31

take a moment to acknowledge how far

00:51:33

you've come

00:51:34

and I think what you're saying

00:51:37

is I'm just trying to grasp exactly your

00:51:40

thing of the chaos and stability and I

00:51:41

think I can explain it better yeah okay

00:51:44

so when when Olympians go to the

00:51:46

Olympics they come back even if they've

00:51:47

won a gold medal and they fall into a

00:51:49

depression I think they call it gold

00:51:50

medal depression the stats around that

00:51:51

are alarming I've read one article

00:51:53

that's where it said up to 80 of

00:51:54

Olympians post

00:51:56

um the Olympics feel that way

00:51:58

um I think that humans most of us anyway

00:52:00

maybe that's why we're in these

00:52:02

buildings with these amazing technology

00:52:04

have it within us to need to to it goes

00:52:07

back to what I said before we start

00:52:07

recording about progress yeah we need a

00:52:09

sense of Forward Motion we don't the

00:52:11

opposite of um what we don't want is

00:52:13

completed goals abundant resources and

00:52:15

nothing to strive for so maybe because

00:52:18

I'm particularly I was particularly

00:52:19

insecure as a child I need I get my

00:52:22

worth from the sense of forward motion

00:52:23

and accomplishment the thought of

00:52:25

stopping yeah and being done is a form

00:52:29

of psychological chaos it's a form of

00:52:31

purposelessness and so I think stability

00:52:34

is actually the forward motion the chaos

00:52:37

uncompleted goals the striving that's

00:52:39

one I feel most stable okay and when you

00:52:42

remove that something to strive for I

00:52:44

feel I feel which people would call

00:52:45

stability I feel chaos yeah

00:52:47

um but also I think for me and you there

00:52:50

is something

00:52:51

um

00:52:52

where our work is I know it for me

00:52:54

anyway is inherently linked at deep deep

00:52:56

level to our sense of self-worth yeah

00:52:58

and so

00:53:00

um

00:53:01

yeah it's quite I feel deeply

00:53:03

uncomfortable when I get a compliment

00:53:04

about

00:53:06

um the work we do or

00:53:08

um when people say that to me I'll use

00:53:09

your pause for a second and just think

00:53:11

about how far you've come yeah it's

00:53:12

robbing me of something yeah it's like

00:53:16

it is um

00:53:19

when will enough be enough

00:53:24

I don't know if enough should never ever

00:53:25

be enough

00:53:27

you should always have a little bit

00:53:30

because you see you live in chaos so I

00:53:32

ask you that question when will enough

00:53:34

be enough when will enough I will never

00:53:37

be sad as far I always think about that

00:53:40

um well I go back to what I said as I I

00:53:42

hope I hope there's no such thing as

00:53:43

enough in my mind yeah because so when

00:53:46

well enough answer your question when

00:53:47

will enough be enough it will never be

00:53:49

because enough is always going to mean

00:53:51

forward motion

00:53:53

so and progress enough I know because

00:53:57

success to me is forward motion and

00:53:59

progress so success can't therefore

00:54:02

possibly be any destination it is

00:54:05

it is challenge it is autonomy it is a

00:54:09

meaningful goal to strive towards and

00:54:11

it's doing it with people I love yeah

00:54:12

that's success for me okay and and so I

00:54:15

need challenge I need forward motion

00:54:16

with people I love High degree of

00:54:18

self-control yeah it's your life breath

00:54:20

yeah

00:54:21

as I'm doing it yeah yeah it is life

00:54:24

breath yeah it really is

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00:55:42

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00:55:44

ask me that all the time as well but I

00:55:46

mean it's such a you know when you hear

00:55:47

that question I think oh [ __ ] so make it

00:55:50

specific like it's too generalistic so

00:55:52

what's if if I let's look look at the

00:55:56

next decade of your life okay if I say

00:55:58

if we meet again in 10 years time and I

00:55:59

say and you say to me that was a

00:56:01

successful decade all right well that's

00:56:02

a good way okay next 10 years success

00:56:04

Rebecca

00:56:06

um the one thing this is the only thing

00:56:09

where I will bring age into it right is

00:56:12

I am

00:56:14

59. so when I'm 69 do I want to be

00:56:19

working so hard that I sort of Miss

00:56:22

friends birthdays and don't get to

00:56:25

you know take part in life of things

00:56:28

outside my work because that's a big one

00:56:30

like when you're in your 20s and 30s you

00:56:32

can kind of like all your friends are

00:56:34

doing that too you know and in that same

00:56:37

space so it doesn't matter if you say

00:56:40

look in a month we'll get together we'll

00:56:42

all go for a weekend somewhere because

00:56:43

you're all doing it so it's like you're

00:56:44

on this thing together but when you're

00:56:46

me probably of my friends maybe 80 of

00:56:50

them their life is slightly different

00:56:52

from what I'm doing right now

00:56:54

so

00:56:56

and that element of that friendship and

00:56:59

this connection with people is

00:57:01

fundamentally crucial to our feeding

00:57:04

ourselves you know and there's always

00:57:07

that you know guy who not had American

00:57:10

Express but he's like you know will I be

00:57:12

remembered for how hard I worked you

00:57:13

know on the grapes and there's that

00:57:15

classic corny thing of like well they

00:57:16

remember how hard you know it's like

00:57:17

they won't but whenever I read that I

00:57:21

think but they just had a nine-to-five

00:57:22

job and this is a passion you know I

00:57:24

always say that I think this is so

00:57:25

different because this is

00:57:27

because if I

00:57:29

if it was just a job

00:57:31

I'd probably say you know I should slow

00:57:32

down a bit whatever but I travel the

00:57:34

world

00:57:35

I help a lot of people around the world

00:57:37

I meet a lot I was in Birmingham

00:57:40

um what about work-life balance yes but

00:57:42

this is the thing

00:57:43

it's like

00:57:45

I don't see my job as a job and then

00:57:47

there's work-life balance because

00:57:49

there's areas of my job which should be

00:57:51

sociable things so I I meet people I

00:57:53

have conversations women every day you

00:57:56

know on this you know social media thing

00:57:59

which is now a few few million people

00:58:01

I have

00:58:03

these women who know me really well it's

00:58:07

so interesting how you think oh but I

00:58:09

haven't seen you know I have my friends

00:58:10

who have known me since I've been my

00:58:12

teens but I have these women who are

00:58:14

part of the Trinity tribe they could be

00:58:16

anywhere in the world but

00:58:18

they know me so well that like I might

00:58:20

do a little live and they'll DM me say

00:58:22

Trinny sense this this morning are you

00:58:24

okay do you need to take a breath you

00:58:26

know and then when I sh I shared this

00:58:29

you know that John had died and

00:58:32

um and so you know they were you know

00:58:34

they sent

00:58:36

thousands of messages and I read I read

00:58:39

everything people sent because if people

00:58:41

make the effort to write a message and

00:58:43

on my Instagram I respond to everything

00:58:45

you know I we have a team of 11 people

00:58:47

who we had like 12 000 comments a week

00:58:49

between London stuff but I do all my

00:58:51

Instagram because that's the Beating

00:58:53

Heart of the women in my life

00:58:56

and

00:58:58

the feeling people are feeling you know

00:59:00

whenever you have a business you need to

00:59:02

understand what is the feeling people

00:59:04

are feeling so in England we have a big

00:59:07

cost of living crisis I still want to

00:59:09

give people quality products that are

00:59:11

premium so with all these things going

00:59:14

on how do I

00:59:16

sense check

00:59:18

this thing how do I adapt the

00:59:21

conversation so that

00:59:23

it still is relevant to their life and

00:59:28

they're just so going back to work like

00:59:30

balance like they

00:59:33

helped me to sit for a second and like

00:59:36

one of them sent this message three days

00:59:39

I said Trini

00:59:40

you have to remember

00:59:42

to feel what you're going through right

00:59:44

now because you don't usually you just

00:59:46

rusher it and you need to do it this

00:59:48

woman I've never met before ever okay

00:59:52

but they're just incredible women and so

00:59:55

my when you when you talk about a

00:59:57

business all right and you talk about

00:59:58

starting a business

01:00:01

my business

01:00:03

is this passion for these women

01:00:06

to feel great and and are sort of you

01:00:09

know you always have these what's your

01:00:11

vision board and what's your mission of

01:00:12

the company but it's literally to leave

01:00:13

a woman feeling better about herself

01:00:16

than before she came into contact with

01:00:18

me with Fearless with the podcast with

01:00:20

Trinity London with whatever so that's

01:00:22

my mission I am here for a mission I

01:00:24

know that sounds like whatever but I am

01:00:27

I know I am you know I know I am I know

01:00:30

that when like I know that during covert

01:00:33

when there were people feeling in a full

01:00:36

family of people fundamentally so alone

01:00:39

as women

01:00:41

I knew how important it was that we

01:00:43

should get up and we should chat to each

01:00:45

other I knew it was just to like really

01:00:48

chat really like share the [ __ ] share

01:00:51

the feelings so they could go

01:00:52

me too me too you know so it's 69 then

01:00:56

you're saying that you're going to slow

01:00:57

down and retire and have pina coladas on

01:00:59

the beach no I didn't say that at all

01:01:02

did I ever say that so 69. no so you

01:01:05

just said to me in the next 10 years so

01:01:06

the next thing what's success look like

01:01:07

it's that this community grows because

01:01:09

the more women who feel like this would

01:01:11

tell more women and I would like at the

01:01:13

moment maybe we have a million women and

01:01:15

I would like that to be in the next 10

01:01:17

years 15 million women actually so that

01:01:19

I'm going to put that number out there

01:01:20

I'm going to now remember it I'd like

01:01:22

that many women because if you can get

01:01:23

to that many women but then how are you

01:01:26

gonna I said that because you talked

01:01:28

about changing the balance a little bit

01:01:30

so you could be there for your social

01:01:31

connections a bit more yeah your friends

01:01:33

yeah if you've got a goal of 15 million

01:01:35

women so how am I growing this business

01:01:38

where I have people in place who can do

01:01:42

things that I can do better than me so

01:01:44

that you can go and do so I can do even

01:01:47

more of what only I can do yeah in the

01:01:49

business

01:01:50

because at the moment I did this thing

01:01:52

the other day and I

01:01:54

did this thing with my co and a board

01:01:56

member and I did like 365 days a year

01:01:58

all right and we divided up because we

01:02:01

need to like see because people it's

01:02:03

very difficult to get meetings in with

01:02:04

it so he's like okay

01:02:06

there are six full days a year I do

01:02:09

board meetings there are 12 days a year

01:02:11

I do investor stuff so we had a little

01:02:13

laugh or whatever and then add up to

01:02:15

more more than the days of the year okay

01:02:17

because I haven't taken that much

01:02:18

holiday so Jane says to me lovely Jane

01:02:22

she goes Trini this we have to change so

01:02:25

she said okay what do you not have to do

01:02:28

you know how could we move to a place

01:02:30

slowly where

01:02:32

you don't do this you do this and you do

01:02:35

this so much about it's like

01:02:36

you must talk to tons of people about

01:02:38

when you have your best ideas all right

01:02:40

we have our best ideas when we are

01:02:43

not further removed from the chaos

01:02:44

because you love this chaos but we're

01:02:46

we're removed enough that things have

01:02:48

the room to Bubble to the top so I do

01:02:51

Michael's car map every morning all

01:02:54

right and I just started doing this

01:02:55

other one on the the one with the half

01:02:57

Bowl in or something you know that

01:02:59

really good one and there's this guy

01:03:00

David G and it was discussed at

01:03:03

Massachusetts state hospital they did

01:03:05

some research that you listen to his

01:03:07

meditation for 59 days and it changes

01:03:10

your neural Pathways like ketamine might

01:03:12

okay it's really I'm anywhere I'm day 43

01:03:15

okay quite into it but

01:03:17

when I give myself that little space

01:03:22

the really good ideas for the business

01:03:23

come up and the more I'm just doing

01:03:26

running the business running the

01:03:27

business

01:03:28

the less we're going to have of those

01:03:31

and I need to give the business the best

01:03:33

of me so it's 69 do you think you're

01:03:35

gonna be working less

01:03:36

differently differently more space for

01:03:39

more creativity yeah and you know

01:03:41

traditional just saying yeah I'll take a

01:03:43

Friday off and go and go for a weekend

01:03:46

somewhere and things like that yeah

01:03:48

because you know do you be able to go

01:03:49

for a weekend without thinking about the

01:03:51

business yeah I did actually can I just

01:03:52

tell you for the first time in five

01:03:54

years I went away for five days

01:03:57

two weeks ago and I only did like eight

01:04:00

emails which was just

01:04:02

great

01:04:05

you wrote this wonderful book Fearless

01:04:07

it's really really surprising

01:04:09

it's surprising

01:04:11

did you read any of it yet yes I went

01:04:13

through it but you did and I read the

01:04:14

entire section on life the other

01:04:15

sections about beauty and star were a

01:04:16

little bit more tricky but I read

01:04:18

everything in the live section about

01:04:19

that's where I got some of those quotes

01:04:20

from and uh the stuff about imposter

01:04:22

syndrome and self-belief and all of

01:04:23

those things it is a a life advice book

01:04:26

it is a beauty advice book it is a style

01:04:28

advice book

01:04:30

um and it's just a gorgeous coffee table

01:04:32

style the thing is this is me okay yeah

01:04:35

because I

01:04:38

hate looking at pictures of myself so

01:04:40

the whole point of doing this book was

01:04:41

to say you hate looking at pictures of

01:04:43

yourself I hate [ __ ] hungry is I just

01:04:45

do so this is the book you'll have on

01:04:47

your coffee table

01:04:49

can you see so nice like just it will

01:04:52

make you pick it up more

01:04:54

because it's biased to have my face on

01:04:56

the front this is not bias

01:04:59

ah no that is beautiful and it's a nice

01:05:01

little message as well yeah to have a

01:05:03

statement about yourself like yeah

01:05:06

you know what's funny when I'm when

01:05:08

people come on the show and they have a

01:05:09

product I I often try and spend some

01:05:11

time

01:05:12

um talking about their products and

01:05:13

stuff but the thing the thing in this

01:05:15

case is

01:05:16

having got to understand you yeah and

01:05:19

what drives you and having felt how

01:05:21

authentic and deep your passion is

01:05:24

there is no need that all the products

01:05:26

are just a byproduct of exactly that

01:05:27

what we've just experienced so it's

01:05:29

funny because I hear you how deeply

01:05:31

passionate and obsessed you are about

01:05:33

your mission as you call it

01:05:35

and I just believe the product because I

01:05:39

know where it's coming from and that's

01:05:40

the most important thing it's coming

01:05:42

from a deep sense of mission that is so

01:05:43

unbelievably authentic that starts

01:05:46

sounds like in your childhood with a

01:05:47

battle with your own skin issues and

01:05:49

acne

01:05:50

um in the byproduct of that authentic

01:05:52

mission is these wonderful products

01:05:53

which are taking the World by storm what

01:05:55

what have I got in front of me here okay

01:05:57

so

01:05:58

every part to say I'm just giving you

01:06:00

I'm going to give you the quick

01:06:01

headlight so you can go back to your

01:06:02

girlfriend and and you can have

01:06:03

knowledge let's just close off on this

01:06:05

the book is available in September yes

01:06:07

Fab so everyone can go pre-order that

01:06:09

now yeah wonderful now right so highly

01:06:13

recommend everybody goes in pre-orders

01:06:14

it because it's a beautiful book thank

01:06:15

you very much

01:06:16

so fundamental skincare whatever age you

01:06:20

are or skin color you are or anything is

01:06:23

you should clean your skin properly okay

01:06:25

you should wear SPF okay every day

01:06:28

whatever your melanin levels yep cancer

01:06:31

being the primary cause but other

01:06:34

ascetics as well

01:06:36

um you should do something that

01:06:37

regenerates your skin and retinoids can

01:06:40

do that and exfoliants can exfoliate

01:06:43

your skin

01:06:44

and you should keep your skin even so

01:06:46

vitamin C okay so those kind of me are

01:06:49

the showstoppers in a routine well what

01:06:52

if I don't because I'm guilty as charged

01:06:54

to all of us if you don't genes might

01:06:56

make you think

01:06:57

I don't need to I'm fine but I look at

01:07:00

your skin and I'm going to come over now

01:07:01

oh no don't call me oh [ __ ]

01:07:04

do this look at me and I close my eyes

01:07:06

because I need to feel your skin without

01:07:10

judging you by looking at you okay so

01:07:13

what I do is I just have a feel and I

01:07:15

feel so first thing I feel immediately

01:07:17

is the congestion you have here right in

01:07:19

the center a lot of people like women

01:07:20

will have congestion here because they

01:07:22

don't like to get their hair wet when

01:07:25

they wash their face you have congestion

01:07:26

here sure it's not muscle or something

01:07:28

it's not muscle at all I know the

01:07:30

difference darling

01:07:31

um and this is not like that's beer you

01:07:34

see but this is congestion under the

01:07:36

skin because you have an oily skin so

01:07:37

you have a sebaceous gland that can

01:07:38

sometimes get blocked Under the Skin it

01:07:40

doesn't become a spot but it's congested

01:07:42

so that's there all right so exfoliant

01:07:45

you're going to use I do get a lot of

01:07:46

spots there okay well then you're going

01:07:48

to use find your balance in fact we've

01:07:49

got to get your final Advance then I go

01:07:51

around here

01:07:54

then I feel your lymph whenever you're

01:07:57

feeling

01:07:58

blocked doing this tiny movement here

01:08:01

releases your lymph nodes and you go

01:08:03

around the back she's massaging my face

01:08:05

for anyone that's listening on audio it

01:08:07

feels really good round your ears agree

01:08:09

to disagree okay and then you go down

01:08:12

and you want to kind of go down to your

01:08:14

clavicum release this is all like a

01:08:15

channel for all your lymph so if you

01:08:17

ever get a blocked face or you get dark

01:08:18

circles you do this kind of getting it

01:08:20

down like Ah that's why women always do

01:08:23

that thing on Instagram with the yeah

01:08:25

with the stone so your oilier here thank

01:08:28

you you've got a slight Dark Circle yeah

01:08:31

it's unslapped yeah and you've got

01:08:34

hydrated skin but block Skin So for me

01:08:36

the best thing you would do for your

01:08:38

skin is you exfoliate your skin because

01:08:40

you need to slosh off dead skin cells

01:08:42

and you need to clarify your skin you

01:08:45

need to get your pores get the

01:08:48

congestion out

01:08:49

so that means drinking water it means

01:08:52

having an exfoliant a liquid exfoliant

01:08:54

so that's exfoliant we sell tiptoe in

01:08:57

though you don't have sensitive skin so

01:08:59

you would use one called find your

01:09:00

balance which I'm going to give you okay

01:09:02

okay and then afterwards use a

01:09:04

moisturizer called niacinamide it's

01:09:06

called energize me it has something

01:09:08

called sacinic acid in it sacinic acid

01:09:10

is like

01:09:11

it's an ingredient that goes into your

01:09:13

cell and goes like this so when you put

01:09:16

that on your skin will wake up you'll

01:09:18

feel an alertness to your skin and then

01:09:21

you'll feel you get off a flight and

01:09:22

you'd feel I don't look tired because

01:09:24

you haven't looked you need to touch

01:09:25

your face a lot of people just don't

01:09:27

touch their face enough you need to get

01:09:29

the oxygen to your face you know you go

01:09:31

to the gym and the oxygen goes around

01:09:32

your body and your lymph system works

01:09:34

and you get this feeling of aliveness

01:09:36

but we just leave our face alone

01:09:39

so you do this you don't do it with me

01:09:42

just do it with me get yourself get your

01:09:43

fingers like this yeah like that so it's

01:09:45

like you've got a scissor and do

01:09:47

friction like this up down up down then

01:09:50

go left

01:09:51

and right

01:09:53

up down like that okay and then you want

01:09:56

to get your hands here yeah and you want

01:09:58

to lift your cheekbones like this fast

01:09:59

one two three

01:10:02

feel the energy

01:10:07

okay just let go now do you feel this

01:10:10

movement or rush in your face yeah

01:10:11

that's your lymph your lymph is like

01:10:14

your

01:10:15

hose pipe around your face and if you

01:10:18

put a sort of foot on the houseplate it

01:10:20

stops you need this to move around if

01:10:21

it's moving around it's releasing the

01:10:23

talks and taking them down here at the

01:10:24

moment it's leaving them on your skin

01:10:26

under your skin so it's Cleaning Out My

01:10:28

Face yes you want it to be moving so

01:10:30

there's just three things then so tell

01:10:32

me tell me this so if you had three

01:10:34

things you would use yeah three products

01:10:35

I would use and then sort of three

01:10:37

principles towards skin good skin care

01:10:39

okay you use

01:10:40

better off which is a cleansing one you

01:10:42

go in the shower yeah and you put this

01:10:43

on your face yeah it's on Aha and PHA

01:10:47

it's got gentle exfoliating acids okay

01:10:49

okay then

01:10:50

find your balance which is an exfoliant

01:10:53

which is not there what are you going to

01:10:54

get for you I don't know we'll get out

01:10:55

for you and energize me which you don't

01:10:58

have those three things is what you're

01:10:59

going to use okay your girlfriend

01:11:01

we're using longer routine I don't know

01:11:03

what she looks like on skin tone but

01:11:05

she'll probably have the retinols and

01:11:07

she'll have the vitamin C's and a few

01:11:09

other things but you just need three

01:11:10

things so that's the products and then

01:11:12

in terms of the personal routines you

01:11:13

said drink water sleep sleep and then

01:11:17

like massage my face yeah

01:11:19

got it okay

01:11:21

I'm looking forward to I'm looking

01:11:22

forward to it I I've always kind of

01:11:24

procrastinated on like skincare routine

01:11:26

I know but if it's easy if it's really

01:11:28

easy if it's by this thing called pick

01:11:30

it up yeah okay well you would just like

01:11:31

we'll cement it down with blue tag cool

01:11:33

okay okay so we have a tradition where

01:11:35

the last guest leaves a question for the

01:11:36

next guest and not knowing who they're

01:11:37

going to be leaving it for yeah the

01:11:39

question left for you is what's the one

01:11:42

thing that gives you the most healthy

01:11:44

pleasure in life and how can you commit

01:11:46

to

01:11:49

harness more of it going down a skinny

01:11:53

slope at 83 kilometers an hour but the

01:11:55

thing is I just feel a responsibility

01:11:57

now that I can't do that anymore why

01:11:59

because it's very dangerous you know

01:12:03

it's like a

01:12:05

but it is it's a guilty plan because I

01:12:07

love it I love the speed I love the like

01:12:09

I'm just in control

01:12:11

went through my hair

01:12:13

you know it's the only sport I know how

01:12:15

to do I'm [ __ ] every other sport

01:12:16

sounds like the way you live life yeah

01:12:19

probably in control high speed yeah win

01:12:22

through your arm probably because I

01:12:25

can't leave one somebody else now yeah

01:12:26

thank you thank you so much thank you

01:12:28

for the inspiration you truly are an

01:12:30

inspiration uh tremendously tremendously

01:12:32

so and I'm gonna make you feel

01:12:33

uncomfortable you should be so proud of

01:12:35

how far you've come

01:12:39

you must be so proud take some time to

01:12:41

just breathe it in and enjoy it training

01:12:43

you're gonna regret it shout out now I

01:12:45

appreciate you so much thank you for

01:12:47

being here thank you for coming and

01:12:48

doing this and thank you for creating a

01:12:49

real business that's um inspiring so

01:12:51

many people just through its existence

01:12:52

but also inspiring them to be better and

01:12:54

to feel better about themselves through

01:12:56

the wonderful products that you've made

01:12:57

and I highly recommend that everyone

01:12:58

goes and gets this book it's more of

01:13:00

Trinity the Trinity that I'm sure you've

01:13:02

loved in this conversation and these

01:13:03

products I mean they speak from

01:13:04

themselves because as I said you know

01:13:05

exactly where they've come from so thank

01:13:07

you

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if you've got the free heel t-shirt

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really is phenomenal if you've heard me

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talking about cure but haven't tried it

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for some reason then this is a great

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option for you to get to know the range

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and find the product that works best for

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you I've tried every single heel product

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in the boardroom in the development

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Laboratories and in my home and there's

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a couple of products which have just

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revolutionized my life because they meet

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the requirements that I'm looking for so

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if you're looking to try heal for the

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first time and to get into it and to

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join the hooligan family I'd highly

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recommend you try this out

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Episode Highlights

The Cost of Success
Success comes with sacrifices; what are you prepared to give up?
“Ask yourself how much do you want to be successful?”
@ 00m 49s
September 11, 2023
Imposter Syndrome Explained
The feeling of being an imposter can stem from a disconnect between inner and outer selves.
“Imposter syndrome is more that you haven’t yet learned enough.”
@ 09m 53s
September 11, 2023
Love What You Do
Life is too short to spend in a job you hate; find what you love.
“You gotta love it.”
@ 12m 02s
September 11, 2023
Navigating Grief and Business
After losing her partner, she faced the challenges of single parenthood and starting a business.
“It's a wake-up call just for life.”
@ 21m 41s
September 11, 2023
Starting a Business at 53
Defying stereotypes, she launched her business in midlife, proving age is just a number.
“You can either mention that number endlessly or look at your energy.”
@ 33m 23s
September 11, 2023
The Power of Perseverance
Despite numerous rejections, she believed in her idea and continued to pitch.
“I knew it was a [ __ ] good idea and I knew it would work.”
@ 35m 39s
September 11, 2023
Understanding Prejudice in Pitching
Navigating investor boardrooms requires counteracting existing prejudices. 'How did you counteract the prejudice?'
@ 43m 30s
September 11, 2023
The Importance of Personalization
Personalization in beauty can change how women shop online. 'I’m providing personalization that will make a woman... think actually maybe if I went online I’d be better diagnosed.'
@ 44m 12s
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The Role of Compliments in Self-Worth
Receiving compliments can feel uncomfortable when tied to self-worth. 'I feel deeply uncomfortable when I get a compliment about the work we do.'
@ 53m 03s
September 11, 2023
The Mission of Empowering Women
The goal is to leave women feeling better about themselves. 'My mission is to leave a woman feeling better about herself than before she came into contact with me.'
@ 01h 00m 16s
September 11, 2023
Fearless Book Release
Trini discusses her new book 'Fearless', a life advice and beauty guide.
“It's a life advice book, a beauty advice book, a style advice book.”
@ 01h 04m 26s
September 11, 2023
Skincare Essentials
Key skincare tips shared, emphasizing the importance of proper routines and products.
“You should clean your skin properly.”
@ 01h 06m 20s
September 11, 2023

Episode Quotes

Key Moments

Rehab Journey00:18
Career Shift00:29
Facing Addiction01:09
Love Your Work12:02
Grieving Process22:52
Resilience in Rejection34:54
Counteracting Prejudice43:30
Creative Space1:03:39

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